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Sil 1.3 has been released, where's your Edain pride? : http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showpost.php?p=107842&postcount=1

FAQ: http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34
What to play: http://pastebin.com/dyPKMEBv
Rogue Nexus – Cataclysm Online and more: http://roguenex.us

ADoM pastas: http://pastebin.com/VaH5UVN8
AliensRL pasta: http://pastebin.com/20ZTFzwZ
Angband pasta: http://pastebin.com/j8SSFvCT
Brogue pasta: http://pastebin.com/nkUaca3N
Cataclysm DDA pasta: http://pastebin.com/UAqhKZfc
Caves of Qud pasta: http://pastebin.com/0ExECmUn
DCSS pasta: http://pastebin.com/6Nz5cuww
DF Adventure Mode pasta: http://pastebin.com/7HB7Tc1y
DoomRL pasta: http://pastebin.com/2vZsvsfD
Dungeons of Dredmor pasta: http://pastebin.com/t3eteBsE
Elona pasta: http://pastebin.com/tU9qkAqt
fcrawl pasta: http://pastebin.com/hCq9qXsz
InCaveAd pasta: http://pastebin.com/HeDX5yNK
Incursion pasta: http://pastebin.com/Q87xYnBq
Infra Arcana pasta: http://pastebin.com/jMb7fZfN
IVAN pasta: http://pastebin.com/GnJeGWTT
MaiDenSnow Eve pasta: http://pastebin.com/BJFyCUnS
NetHack pasta: http://pastebin.com/XRp5mBhz
Omega pasta: http://pastebin.com/0vkDNuyX
One Way Heroics pasta: http://pastebin.com/jFh3nrxy
PosChengband: http://pastebin.com/ZLZZz45j
Prospector pasta: http://pastebin.com/DjPrRQu8
Sil pasta: http://pastebin.com/NRyD5jtt
ToME 4 pasta: http://pastebin.com/GVDJksuM
UnReal World pasta: http://pastebin.com/QfgkYkNA

Other roguelikes without a pasta (go make one!):

Forays to Norrendin: http://forays.github.io/
Quest for the Unicorn: http://www.elf-emulation.com/rcs/unicorn5/index.html
Demon: http://demon.ferretdev.org/
The Ground Gives Way: http://www.thegroundgivesway.com/

Old, prideless general: >>128564745
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>>128759918
>inverting the order of the title
>linking old thread's op as the new one
first for op is silly
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and this one was the new one I was gonna use for URR
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But what was the new image? You can't just tease us like that man.
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Has anyone played dragon warlock & gone and made Smaug their bitch? I kind of want to try if I can once I splat
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>>128760907
Uniques can't be pets.
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>>128760853
>>128760841

>>128760973
unless you're a pokemon tra- I mean beastmaster.
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>>128759918

has there been any ascensions with Edain lately?
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>>128761092
>has there been any ascensions with Edain lately?
'course not
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After over 100 attempts at DrTm, I finally 15-runed as a Dr[spoiler[Mo[/spoiler]

Had to kill pan lords with no resistances and Chei speed, good thing dragon form with 40 Str and Dex 2shots everyone.
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>>128761005
What about cavalry?
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>>128761260
ctrl-s to spoiler.
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>>128761329
nobody but beastmasters I think.
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>>128761092
Working on it anon. Stalin or Hitler got nothin on me
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>>128760973
They can be pets, its just that you just cant pokeball them
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So, I've heard that the dudes are updating CoQ once a week?

Anyone got a changelog?
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>>128762092
Really? Cause when I summoned any uniques on the Q they almost instantly drained the mana and had to unsummon them almost right away.
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>>128762165
Yeah, high level drain mana quickly but just wanted to say that it isnt impossible
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>>128761424
I have no idea if this is true or not in the current version but demigods of aphrodite can kiss to charm uniques or so ive heard
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>>128762130
Minor changes. It got mod support though, and this week it got a weekly challenge mode, same seed for all people etc.
Oh and it got seeds.
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>>128762130
http://forums.freeholdentertainment.com/showthread.php?6-Caves-of-Qud-Version-History/page39

first google result
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>>128762531
>It got mod support
>on a roguelike
>a closed source roguelike on steam
that sounds... incredibly underwhelming.

>challenge mode
the game is unfinished and they add a challenge mode.
Okay.
>seeds
like
okay
who gives a shit
finish the goddamn game already
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>>128762873
Fucking Unnormal, tell you what'
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>>128763032
it takes skill and dedication to say that you have updated a game with only 30 lines of new features. And ask people money for it.
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>>128762873
The fuck are you sperging at me for.
The anon asked for the changes, so I gave him the changes. I don't even play the game, snagged the key off some random stream ages ago and have like 40 minutes played.
No reason to be mad when you can just, you know, not play it.
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>>128763323
>The fuck are you sperging at me for.
I'm not sperging at you goddamn I'm just mad at the developers because I really liked qud years ago.
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>>128763447
I like the amounts of acid you're producing, and that's why I made an acid mage.
We're gonna make it!
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>>128764276
>muh acid spheres
Seem alright, no idea what damage they do, but they explode in acid. I wonder if they could murderkill shopkeepers.
Food for thought, next time go chaotic maybe.
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hey you know what was cool

incurson
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>>128765368
Yeah incursions monk was one of my favorite roguelike expiriences
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>>128765150
Oh yeah, that sure happened.
Thanks for the nice grave, game.
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>>128765368
>22 luck halfling slinger
>superior shit popping up everywhere by d3
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Dat crit
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>>128766114
PUT ON THE FUCKING GREAVES
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>>128766167
My stealth bro, no. Im waiting to find some traps to ID them
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>>128766114
>stealthydorf

>>128766242
mpa-sil IDs stuff when you put them on, regular sil doesn't?
Sounds annoying.
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>>128766114
Well another edain will join the pile of corpses. I hate these fucking birds.

>>128766325
Only obvious stuff like if it give an ability or stat get ID'd, it's probably free action
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>>128766521
oh hey I thought only dorfs got the dark bread, my bad.

So what's the difference between dark bread and lembas?
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>>128766604
Bread gives 1500 turn of food, lembas 3000 and restore your grace
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>>128766829
fucking elvesc and their steroids
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>>128734858
Not yet, anon
It's time for the last stand
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Implying trees aren't the master race
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so, sil is the most tolkenian roguelike and one of the few ones where you don't become a god of hyperdeath with +99 items.

While furyband is the diametrical opposite and PCB is kind of inbetween.
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>>128767176
Oh wow
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>>128767491
There's actually one more centaur behind the warrior now.

The permanent repel missiles mutation sure would be handy right now.
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>>128767465
FAAngband is pretty Tolkenian too tbqh
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>>128765368
Incursion finished fucking when
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>>128767491
you do a 360 behind your imp
and moonwalk away

>>128767698
what's FAAngband?
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Is there no character history option in Sil for blue eyes and blonde hair? Closest I can find is blue/brown.
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>>128767926
First Age Angband.
It's pretty good, and has a unique overworld with areas you go to, similar to going down a dungeon, getting progressively harder the farther you go.
Plus some main dungeons with bosses, and I believe Angband being the endgame dungeon.
Happens in Tolkien's First Age.
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Okay I'mma play FAAngband because it looks cool and I need something to do
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alright
I'm kinda spoiled by PCB so I wish there were more classes
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eh
I've seen worse
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I'm a casual wanting to get into roguelikes so pls forgive
Which roguelike is the best for difficulty, depth, graphics and fun out of all of them? There's so many....
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>>128769298
Bad anon
Bad
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>>128769505
yeah but the ascii doesn't get any bigger than that and that's too small for me.
PCB lets you choose the font AND how big.
'sides, this was the default.
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>>128769471
Infra Arcana.
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>>128769583
Yeah, the tiles are usable if anything.
I wonder how the necromancer plays, since it's a separate class and everything.
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>>128769471
tome or dcss
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Final verdit of FAAngband

I don't like the font

I guess it's okay

I guess I really like PCB of all the *bands.
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Well, I finally got to Lair (entrance was at D:11), where a six-headed hydra and a wolf pack were ready to welcome me.

By the time I took the stairs downwards I had 1 HP.

rip
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>>128767491
36988
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>>128769834
Oh yeah, it also didn't help that I picked fucking Ru, who refused to give me all but the most absolute dogshit sacrifices, so I was essentially doing godless.
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>>128769886
I wasn't thinking very clearly by that point.
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>>128769471
None of them are the least bit fun, but a few are addictive in the same way as gambling. Brogue, Incursion, and DCSS all roll a lot of dice.
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so I decided to play PCB again and I tried the real life chargen option

and guess what

female android

so I said why not

and started yet another nightmare wannabe andorid rune knight who's gonna die to sauron in the icky caves

what did you guys say about PCB that's it's like a skinner box

I think you're right
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>>128770592
What about doing lazy rune knight and going for the lazy artifacts for maximum overkill 9001?
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>>128770704
nah
androids are borked, last time I wielded grond my levelcount got in the negatives and I was suddenly level 1

Unless you actually mean a lazy yeek rune knight

you know

why not sure
the android just died anyway

fuck nightmare mode
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>>128770842
Yeah I didn't mean android, just regular rune knight of whatever origin.
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>>128769962
I was prepared to let you go without comment, but don't talk shit about my man Ru
FAULT
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>>128770926
you got a deal
I will win the game before that other angel
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>>128771175
The laid back ride begins
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>>128771329
Time to get cozy.
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Is there any roguelike where a smithing character is a viable build?

Would it be worth it to go back a few versions in Sil to make a smithing-focused dude before altars became rarer?
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>>128769298
Looks like somebody accidentally washed ToME4 with bleach
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>>128772013
Take it easy little yeek, the world is your rune oyster.
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If I feel "there is something special about this level," does that mean a unique is there?
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>>128761092
I'll start one up after I splat my shitty smith dwarf that found 2 whole forges the entire game and can't man fight anything on 950ft
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>>128772315
I guess it was Shagrat the Orc Captain. That's not very wacky, he's just a regular Tolkein thing.
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Sheeeeit
Dlvl3 altar benefits. Feeling lucky this time, yo. Let's slime it up.
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>>128772315
>>128772589
I think it means there's a vault/artifact on the level, but don't quote me on that.
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>>128772315
>>128772589
>there is something special about this level

Means there's an artifact item on the floor.
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>>128772315
If this is pcb, it means there is an artifact on the floor or your boss unique, if you are a monster race.
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>>128772673
>>128772717
>>128772732
Looks like it's "the Ring Mail of Giles"
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How high should I put invocations for Zin to get maximum salt?
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Sometimes I stop and ask myself: "Will I ever get bored of this?"
The only answer is "Never."
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I wanted to try Adom, but is it possible to ammass a treasure and make a collection there or is it like DCSS with no possibility of "100%ing the game, both item and min-max wise"
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wasted my best character yet. fug
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>>128774579
Also, is there a global in-game chat like tome4?
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SEND HELP
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>>128774579
Have you thought of taking up real life hording as a hobby?
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I am not going to be dumb and clear stronghold since it's a perfect source of mana until I grab a rod of clarity, even if I'd like to. Or at least grab a wand of teleport other so I can pick up all the loot while I recharge.
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Time to splat on the orb run desu
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>>128777925
You can do it anon
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Is there a version of DCSS with all the cut content put back in?
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>>128780441
Yeah, you get the old versions.

Unless you want both new and old, in which case you better start learning how to code, or at least copy paste the right parts in the right places.
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>>128780724
I recall an anon posting a link to what you described in here before.
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>>128777335
But anon, there are too many items in real life, and not enough time to collect them all :)
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dwarves are ass without forges, even edains are better
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>>128781571
Time to roll Edain. How to kill Morgoth as Edain?
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>>128774174
What exactly am I looking at here?
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>>128782145
Me slapping protection on a bunch of +0 shit and getting insane AC.
The cloak doesn't count, it was only +7 before.
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>>128774579
The game has a soft time limit, but it's possible to become an "arch mage" who can profitably cast wish indefinitely. Hence, you can get as high of stats as you want and as many items as you want.

>>128776609
>Also, is there a global in-game chat like tome4?
>is there a modern high-tech feature in a game made last millennium
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Is ADOM dying?
I hear about a resurrection inde fund raising, or is it for ADOM2?
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Now that's a fucking shovel

Shame about the damage dice because wow that's awful, but I could use it for the speed bonus.

The dice is really fucking awful thought like come on.
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>>128782267
So Rune Knights are like Skyrim, where if you see an enchantment once you can put it on as many items as you like?
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>>128782145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8
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>>128782480
Don't give up faith yet, anon. Biskup will follow through eventually, just like he did with JADE.
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>>128782397
Dude, do you live under a rock?
ADOM, steam, graphic tiles, "active" development, hellooooooo?!
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>>128782505
>diggermaster reasons
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>>128782540
>if you see an enchantment once you can put it on as many items as you like?
nah, rune knights slap runes on stuff. I got lucky on those items because you can get from +2 to +10 with protection.
Basically the technique with rune knights is that you slap runes on average body armors and sell them back to the shop for LOADSOFEMONE. You keep doing that until you have GREAT GEAR, then you go and dance the WYRM CONGA with THE MIGHTIEST WYRMS to grab ALL THE ARTEFACTS.
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have you ever seen a yeek wear yeek gloves
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>>128782885
Where do runes come from, though? Do you have to find them, or does your character just make them?
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>>128783910
they're level dependent.
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>>128783910
They're like ingrained class abilities/spells.

You gain new ones as you level. Or in the case of androids, you gain and lose them as you see fit.
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>>128784046
>permanent enchantment spells that only cost mana

Wow, they came up with something more intrinsically unbalancable than summoning.
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>>128784432
the trick is that you can't regen mana on your own. you need to be hit by a spell to regen mana.

Which means you will not use your spells much now that breaths don't count as spells anymore.

But now there's rods of clarity so
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are the veins with treasure useful at all in PCB? i assume you have to mine them with something (really new to the game)
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How tough were Lloigors and Zephy Lords again?
I really want to do this mini vault but I feel like I'll get one-shotted again.
They don't resist teleportation right?

>>128784678
You can dig them for money but you'll get more by just selling the {excellent} shit you find.
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>>128785070
>>128785070
Lloigors can breathe some nasty shit and are generally tankier than most other 'v',
Zephyr Lords dump Z on you can can be either really nasty or completely toothless.
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Man, my damage output is pathetic.
I might actually buy that shovel.
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>>128785070
>lloigor
Passwall, can breathe a lot of gravity

>zephyr lord
They summon hounds, though I'm not sure if it count as a spell for purposes of anti-magic caves.

Neither resist teleport.
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>>128786248
>rune knight posting
May as well post your DCSS GrBes or Sil 3353s after you've already won one.
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>>128786512
Excuse you potato I'm halfheartedly fighting for the title of laziest PCB poster in /rlg/.
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Man this is even worse
but +5 speed at least
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if I get "what a boring place" i assume that means its time to move to a new level right? i'm on the first level of the stronghold and it looks like there's only 3 rooms. should i search?
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>>128786231
>>128786414

Thanks dudes, they went down pretty easy except the lloigor decided to breathe gravity twice in a row so I had to make a short tactical retreat.

However there wasn't a single artifact in that fucking vault. Didn't know that was possible since it gave me red level feeling.
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>>128786717
Do a no-selling rune knight and then maybe it will be worth mentioning.
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>>128787191
You got a red level feeling from the presence of the vault itself.

If there was an artifact you would have gotten a special feeling, wouldn't you have? Silly anon.
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>>128787191
>However there wasn't a single artifact in that fucking vault. Didn't know that was possible since it gave me red level feeling.
Artifacts always show up as a blue special feeling.
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>>128787362
I might believe you if you weren't the type to complain when someone didn't put your win in the OP.
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>>128746881
I still regularly lose empowered ogres when I try on those to it.

>>128748814
Yes, we got lucky with creeping death and the sword that split it immediately dying so I could just incin pot it all

>>128712505
Snail tourist and to a lesser extent, muitant tourist without slotscumming.
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>>128787568
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>>128761092
I don't get it, are you continually running towards unexplored space when fighting something?
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>>128787158
I believe that's to do with level feeling (control F), your character doesn't feel threatened at all on the current level & you should probably go deeper for experience & shit.
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>>128787380
>>128787448
Yeah, yeah I know I'm stupid.

Anyway, Utgard-Loke is fucking my shit up.
He's already summoned two Greater Titans and packs a huge punch.
I even took out Zhar the Twin-Obscenities or whatever he's called in melee but I think I should abort this for now.
I don't remember him being this tough though.
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Adom finished to download, i hope i can be a greedy merchant looking for treasure without being raped in my first 30 minutes!
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>>128781407
grats
>>128787690
>Yes, we got lucky with creeping death and the sword that split it immediately dying so I could just incin pot it all
jesus
an infested one could be a pain in the dick too
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>>128769471
Sil, Brogue, Infra arcana are your best shots. DCSS is a good casual one. you'll get over ascii quick if you stop being a picky faggot who wont eat their green beans cause they touched the potatos
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So how hard would it be to make a branch crawl whose changes consisted entirely of just re-adding a bunch of removed races and content?
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>>128787702
Not that guy, but goddamn:
>anime posting
>avatarfagging (with undertale and its faggiest character nonetheless)
>replying within the filename and not writing in the post like a normal person
>actually avoiding discussion and accusations
I mean, god, check your autism or leave.
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>>128772123
Guys were still rocking 1.2.1 with smithing builds it was just the master rank difficulty build to do. They got nerfed again but I dunno if a bugfix and not having 1 more grace really shits in your cheerios.

>>128773536
27. Play a Hill orc if you want it cheaply. You can leave lair with it at 24ish just in time to salt and stupefy orc
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>>128788519
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>>128781407

how do you use shadow cloaks? i found one in the early floors and it just reduced my visibility
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>>128788402
Not too hard. Maybe 2 weeks of reverting commits and fixing any issues that come up. Ewven adding hive back shouldn't be that bad.
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>>128788402
It wouldn't be very difficult.
It will probably be easier to rewrite the races/backgrounds from scratch though, since the information is now in different places.
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how bad are penalties from carrying too much stuff in pcb? i have slow and it doesn't seem too bad but i might be wrong
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>>128789350
>>128789154
Guess it's time to learn how computers and coding works.
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>>128789392
Slow -1 or -2 are mostly fine early on if you are ranged or drop stuff before fighting fast monsters.
Any more than that is incredibly bad.
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>>128789392
Lose speed. Enjoy getting double moved and fucked
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>>128786512
>May as well post your DCSS GrBes or Sil 3353s after you've already won one.

No bullying, you slut.
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>>128789053
You need a large light radius, yea. I had 1 radius from the sword, 2 from a lantern, and 1 from the dwarf mask, and -1 from the cloak.
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>>128789791
it's not too bad, you just have to sit down and take the time to learn. there are generally a good amount of tutorials in whatever language you want to learn (if you're going to learn c though, start with The C Programming Language from the OGs at Bell Labs)

>>128789864
>>128789972
word, thanks for the info.

since i'm playing monster angel i'm going spellcasting route in lategame right? when do i start making that shift? I know i'll die before then but i want to know for the future
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>+11 to stealth
that

that is the highest modifier I have ever seen.
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>Reading the sil manual
• There is a penalty of –1 to Stealth for each 10 lb of armour worn
• Stealth mode (command: ‘S’) gives +5 to Stealth, but –1 to speed.
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>>128792226
Yes... and?
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>>128792226
-1 for each open square adjacent to you too, so corners are good for hiding compared to open ground
also (S)tealth sprinting is god tier
and (S)tealth is instantaneous, so don't forget to pop it to assassinate an unwary/sleeping enemy if it was off for whatever reason
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>>128788519
>check your autism
>in a thread about roguelike games

He's not even terraforming yet.
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>>128792118
oh my great jeeble bulbeebius
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>>128792118
Goddamn. Gonna need 3 hands for this.
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>you use a staff of animate dead.
>the thread stirs.
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>First time archery in sil, just mashing it all in archery
>Orc champion retreats back into a hall
>Kill him
>The crimson potion disappears
;_;
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>>128797695
One more level for the next lods of emone!
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>>128800149
yeah but still no wand of clone monster
I've been grinding stronghold 15 for a while now.
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>>128800301
Well at least you have a higher chance of finding that than me finding an immunity item.
Can't you buy out black markets long enough till they restock with a clone wand?
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These whispering shadows man. Sheeit.

>>128800301
Just do orc, camelot and icky cave. You'll get like 5 if your autopickup isn't destroying them.
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>>128797695
Too busy splatting edains
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>>128797718
>The mithril longsword (+3 2d5) [+3] disappears.
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>>128800496
>>128800301
What's the best yeek class to win with? I just want to get a pcb win so I can kill myself.
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>>128797718
>>128800682
>Morgoth's Crown disappears
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>>128800496
>Can't you buy out black markets long enough till they restock with a clone wand?
the thing is that I haven't used the trick to make loads of emone yet since I got like four !clarity and no staves of summoning to call forth the yellow jelly.
>>128800537
>Just do orc, camelot and icky cave, you'll get like 5
See screenshot.
Over and over and over
my PCB hates wands of cloning.
>>128800715
MONK OF NATURE
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>>128800715
I'm pretty sure yeek anything isn't the best to win with. Or do you polymorph yourself into a real race after your scumming or what?
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>>128800715
Monk of life/nature is ez win
>>
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http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=96759db5360e90631c6a789dfa6f320e91a71037

>Give wasp paralysis/slowing the normal chance to bypass rPois

And slightly reduce its chance to trigger, as well as removing the 1-turn bonus
to duration for hornets.
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>>128800938
>get shekels
>dump them into the gamble shop
>get whatever wands you want
Clearing dungeons? It's like you aren't even lazy.
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>>128801560
but how do I get the shekels

without mana
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>>128801654
Just go outside of town and hold down 5 in front of a pack of novice priests, mages or paladins.
Free mana.
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>>128801850
that sounds even more work than doing dungeons considering that packs of humans don't spawn often and I have high innate stealth
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>>128800682
>ctrl-q-y
>Fill the bathtub
>stab myself in the butt
>Smear a message on the wall
>Get in
>Drop in a toaster
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Fucking hell, coming off a long string of Gargoyles, I forgot how utter bullshit Adders can be. Fatally poisoned me through Vine Stalker regen AND Trog's Hand, simultaneously.
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>>128800938
Then do camelot. One will pop out. I normally have about 4 by the time I can do arena with no grinding at all.
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I cum every time.
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>>128802037
>Smear a message on the wall
DYWYPI?
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>>128802069
Try VsFi instead of VsBe. The shield will basically nullify everything once you get your innate regen, but it'll really help with shitting on adders.
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>the trump card has no cooldown on the teleport activation
Huh, how have I never realized that? That's a lot more useful than I gave it credit for I only noticed because I need that charisma
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>>128802252
I'll give it a shot, thanks.
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I don't have a damn clue what I'm doing. Can anyone give tips for a archery run?
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>>128802186
I can't
it just
doesn't appear
I got three staves of haste monsters in a row but no trash wands
>>
What roguelike offers:
>the most satisfying necromancer
>the most satisfying merchant (so selling is a must)
>Optional: the ability to 100% it, either by maxing every skill/attribute or by collecting everything in the game
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>>128800715
I like High Mage of Demon. You get 75% exp penalty from race (though 135% IIRC from class), some good offense, utility, and summoning, and you get to later on spend most of your time in Demon or Demonlord form to counteract most of your yeekness weakness

>>128801106
You can use a source of perma poly (!polymorph, stone of chaos, the stone mask) or you can play a class that has a poly ability/spell as I recommended just now, or you can just use the nice low exp penalty and wyrm conga to make a less-total-power-but-way-way-faster anything.

>>128803228
I haven't done archery yet but in gernal terms you'll maybe want Song of Trees soon, and a total of 10 points in song (after racial modifiers) because darkness-based monsters should start showing up with enough unnatural darkness to carry shadow into the radius of your lamp.
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>>128803416
Why do you like hording so much, draconian-kun?
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>>128803228
Get flaming arrows.
Map a macro for turning it on/off.
Use it to kill uniques/threats.
Get Sprinting.
Get Rapid Fire
Get Piercing Arrows.
Piercing Arrows + Flaming Arrows + Rapid Shot + Slaying + Buffs = One dead V.

Get a shitload of Archery too.

Back up into corridors until enemies start approaching to get some pot shots on grouping foes.

If you run out of arrows, you can take Versatility.
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>>128803718
his mother was removed by the devteam when he was young
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>>128803718
IT'S A CURSE, I TELL YOU.
Every game/rpg or whatever feels incomplete to me if i can't either 100% it or be a filthy jew/hoarder/collector in it.
No idea. Anyway, maybe i could start again DCSS. It's been a couple of weeks or so since i played a roguelike (or a videogame really, life is good, but doesn't scratch my hoarding autism), but i'd have to start anew.
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>>128801560
Source?
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>>12878248
lol it's been on Steam for a while. According to biskup, by the beginning of this month it had already sold 10,000 units and the numbers weren't dropping so it's doing rather well.

The fundraiser was a few years ago, the Steam launch being one of its consequences.
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>>128804086
DDA is the hoarding game, though you can't sell things in it.
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Apparently oook.cz has had a new competition since two days ago:

http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php

This one's for Sil.
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>>128803228
Also you may want to get weapon smithing and a few points of smithing to make arrows.
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>>128803274
Show a cleared camelot instead of scumming the floor of its spawn range
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>>128804447
Okay
but only because you asked nicely
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>>128804332
actually you can, if you enable NPC spawn
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>>128804332
You can't have 100% of chargen-only mutations without "cheating". Also fuck profession-exclusive traits like skater, cops being recognized by cop computers is understandable but the only reason why skater is not in the main list is balance.
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>>128804332
Pfft get a load of this fag. Do you even npcx10 and do a le happy merchant gimmick run? Barter your way to success. None of that faggot diy shit. I can't wait until you can buy NPC's services and get them to attack each other for maximum PMC action
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>>128805129
RIP you brave soul
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no
not scare
clone
cloooone

>>128805529
dude what
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Isn't Santa Claus supposed to drop the bag of toys?
Because he didn't drop shit.
Maybe I've been a bad boy, teehee.
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>>128805689
PCB santa can carry up to 12 treasures which is a lot yes
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well I guess this is a hat.
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>>128801560
Please help, what is this from. I thought maybe a fue but the art is all wrong. It sounds real good.
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>>128804086
Just play Nethack and try getting every item in the game without resorting to pudding farming
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>>128775362
the spiders in sil get really fucking annoying. a bad roll can get your shit absolutely wrecked.
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>>128806079
I was thinking the box or bag of toys that's dropped when I've defeated him before.
It's a chest that opens for a ton of artifacts if I recall correctly.
Seems it's only a chance at the drop and not a certainty.

>>128806295
Holy shit.
That's like Amber without the activation.
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>>128761092
lmao why the fuck would you play edain? are you a masochist?
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>>128806814
I like em, if you didn't invest in your offense and defense you gotta use something to soften em up first. and even if you did, throwing or bows can dent em good.
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>>128807124
There's a can of toys that golden angels (there's probably a reference here, but I'm too dumb to get it) drop. Never seen it from santa, I wonder what the chances are.
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Alright, now we're cooking with charcoal.
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>>128807176
Where is your pride, degenerate?
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>>128807340
he has no pride
he has no grace
this pointy eared poster
is a fucking disgrace
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>>128780441
https://github.com/tmhedberg/dcss-ehe
This has a good chunk of removed content added back in, but hasn't been updated in two yers so you won't get all the new content. Seeing that updates are mostly removals you could try to fork it and add some of the new stuff, if you know how to code.
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>>128807340
Not him, as someone who's never won Sil, that really hurts.
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>>128806297
http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/secret_work
warning: lewd
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>>128807320
Okay, I'll admit that I might be getting that mixed up.
Too much PCB yesterday and today causes brain smashing.
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>>128759918
>>128804353
Should probably link OP for that matey.
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>>128807340
You're right, I have sinned.
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>>128808248
I will splat an edain for your sins
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>>128801327
w-what is this? :'( Duvessa would never betray her brother! Their relationship transcends familial bonds
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>>128805625
Aren't you the guy who was modding things related to wand of cloning without really knowing what you were doing? Maybe there is no clone anymore.
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>a rod of clarity
Alright, NOW I can switch to maximum overdosh and buyout black markets.

>>128808726
nah, cloning exists. I just don't find it often.
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>>128757941

>It makes you turn you into a vampire permanently

twilight fangirls would squee
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>5 million $ later
>still no cloning

this
is some fucked up shit I tell you
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>>128809698
The rng giveth.
And the rng taketh away.

You're playing a Rune-Knight anyway so quit your goddamn complaining.
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>>128809927
>You're playing a Rune-Knight anyway so quit your goddamn complaining.
no matter what class, going over level 30 is boring as hell.
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>Manually move my stash every few floors because i haven't found any container so my inventory is always filled with shit
>Finally find a bag
>Also fort luidos
>Spend a thousands of turns moving EVERYTHING back to minetown to get protection and BUC-identify stuff with the altar
>Finally get everything back at the lowest floor i had explored
>Literally the next floor find a temple and a bag of holding next to each other
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>>>128757941
what race are you currently? Vampire is quite a capable race, though it has some quirks.
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well alright this one is good enough for tonight.
I will continue the grinding for my implement of grinding tomorrow.
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>>128807647
Thanks man
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i found a human skeleton in sil... not sure how rare those are but it's the first in my very limited amount of games... and it's much deeper than the elven ones

anyway i wonder how you know the race of a skeleton without any special knowledge


sil is hard, like the early game is a breeze but right now i have no food and am already weak, can kill stuff only because i found some +1 str gauntlets and i generally suffer

but the worst it's those invisibile things, they are really rustling my jimmies
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>>128810148
>not playing with dynahack and its godsend magic chests
fault
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>>128810148
ahahaha that's perfect
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>>128810926
>and it's much deeper than the elven ones
A TESTAMENT OF PRIDE
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>>128810148
How safe is floor stashing in NetHack? Don't the monsters just steal all your stuff?
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>>128810926
Eat the lembas. it's food.
If you fuckbutt around too much take the reduced hunger ability and wear a ring of sustenance
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>>128810664
regular human rune knight taking the black marketeer feat sounds potentially very fun
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>>128811106
Not if you use Elbereth
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>>128811121
you think i didn't realize it at 700''?
no lembas, nothing
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>>128801496
>Give wasp paralysis/slowing the normal chance to bypass rPois

>paralysis functioning through rPois in the first place
>slowing functioning through rPois in the first place
>neutering rPois so that you still get poisoned with it equipped
DCSS devs please

Instead of removing shit all the time, maybe focus on fixing the parts of your underlying system that make no sense
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>>128810939
>Playing anything other than vanilla
Well that's an entirely acceptable preference for people who got tired of the original
>>128811106
By the time you're making stashes you are bound to have a few wands of digging/fire/lightning, so you can just slap an elbereth on it and call it a day. If you're desperate you can also use a hard gem ring or a shitty weapon, but it takes longer. If you're playing 3.6.0 you're dumb
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>>128811182
Aphrodite demigod with black marketeer and merchant's friend.

Guess I'll throw that on the "silly ideas I might try one day" list.
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>>128811414
Were you throwing away "bad" herbs? You can eat a bunch of them like visions depending on stats, immunities, and resists.

>>128811518
I'm still waiting on a 3 +++ resist system for acid, poison, and electricity.
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>>128811639
Put on your kippah, goyim
you know you want to
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>>128803889
How do I do piercing arrows though. If I understand this right, I need 25 points of effective forging just to make +0's and it drains 2 str for 25
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>>128811658
Monsters (but not player characters) used to be able to have rPois++ but they removed it. rP+++ was immunity.
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>>128811571
Oh, OK. I assumed that you had to be standing on the square for monsters to care about Elbereth.
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>>128811639
Demigod rune knight of aphrodite with black marketeer and merchat friend?
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>>128812615
Yeah, for maximum merchant jewery. You get the best shop modifier in the game, lower prices at the black market, more items in shops, and the ability to trigger a restock for less than buying out the shop.
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>>128812435
You find them. They are everywhere on the lower depths.
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>>128811658
>3 +++ resist system for acid, poison, and electricity.
I'm waiting on a ++ resist system for Fire/Cold/etc. Maybe even + one.
>>
How do I make better decisions in DCSS?
I feel like I'm normally level-headed and I play most of a game with no issues then I make one silly mistake that leads to my downfall.
>>
I've been playing One Way Heroics (plus) a bit more, has anybody been able to beat Inhumane Odyssey Maniac in a way other than beating the Demon Lord? I get my shit pushed in whenever a "Strong Enemy" random event occurs, especially if the strong enemy has double movement. Are you just kinda screwed if that happens too much, because pretty much the only the only way I can get out of those situations is to blow awakening, sometimes two, which isn't sustainable at all.
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>>128814918
get lugonu or zin, press panic button if you fuck up
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>>128815787
I know how to use panic buttons but, I'm asking how to avoid needing them as much.
Besides, it seems just about everytime I die I use whatever panic butto/items/etc and still die. Like I massively fuck up and don't see it coming.
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i dunno if it's a bug or something but i had 2448 xp in the pool, decided to pick 'mind over body', it was marked as being worth 0 xp points (not 500; i had no abilities in the will tree), when i gained it i lost 1400 xp points

what the flying fuck? is sil bugged or something

<- here i literally launched the save from >>128810926 and picked mind over body and lost 1400 xp instead of 500 while the price was marked as 0... wait i already said it
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>>128814918
>>128816062
You're getting too much xp in stuff that isn't offense or defense or you're blindly charging into a matchup bad for your build. You mostly get over it with player experience but we can't really say a whole hell of al ot because you're not dumping your high score list or last 10 splat morgues so we can actually see what the fuck happened other than hurr durr I fault y bad.

If you're getting crawler fatigue, play for shorter sessions. It'll mulch you at first until you re-learn how to assess your strength from looking over your character.
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>>128816662
Make a backup of your save and let the developer know I guess.
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>>128816662
Post your char screen. It looks like you bought a point of attack
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>>128816961
impossiburu i think

http://pastebin.com/X4A3zWFH
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>>128816812
Most of my deaths are early game, so I'm not dumping xp wrong. I think you're right, I should respect mobs a bit more than I do.
Thank you, anon.
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actually here is the proof that it's 100% bugged

the price of the ability is marked as 500 while i already have one ability in the tree

i'm contacting the dev i think
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>>128817885
>Melee at 14
>Cost would be 1400 xp
>1400 xp missing
Mystery solved. Thanks

You probably have a will affinity. I'm not gonna look up the race bonuses to check.
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>>128817265
>>128817885
You either bought melee or evasion.
Fingelfs have Will affinity, so their first pick in Will is free.
It's not bugged, you just fatfingered.
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>>128817885
>muh sils
>this is a sign of a fingolfelf's lack of understanding
>inb4 kinslaying and swearing of oaths
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>>128817885
You have Will affinity nigga
Look at your damage on your screens you definitely put a point in melee
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>golf bag of slaying weapons to glow on darkness faggots
>Golf bag of light staves
>Didn't take lore master cause muh perception aiblity costs
>Probably chucked 3 artifacts now
>2 staves for the life of me I can't id
Ahhhh
>>
>7 leprechaun halls
>4 barracks
>2 throne rooms
>2 cockatrices nests
>Still haven't gotten to medusa
What is it with this game
Maybe i should wish for an ice box and carry around a good 10k turns worth of instakills
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>>128819370
I read that to the tune of partridge in a pear tree.
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>>128819370
Did you use the thrones?
>>128819587
It kinda works
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>>128820362
Nah, i leave the thrones there for when i have teleportitis and a decent Pw pool
And it's not as if they ever give you something good, you're lucky to get a CHA upgrade instead of having your rings and wands explode
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Shit niggas, I might fumble my way to 950 yet
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>try a Sil smith
>decide to not put that one more bit of experience in Smithing at chargen
>use some XP to put Smithing at 10 later
>get Enchantment
>actually find a forge
>try to make a battleaxe of gondolin
>Difficulty: 11 (max 10)
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>>128822053
>Finally find a staff of understanding
>After I've already been drained of 1 str, had to chuck nearly all my staves, and burned two staves of recharging to try and get some oomph into what I could barely carry still
>id a ring of hunger and amulet of adornment before out of charges
ffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

>>128822838
First shebang is gauntlets of forge which gives you +1 iirc
>>
>Have had a longsword with me since D:4
>Dipped it into EVERY fountain there was
>From D:1 to D:26, castle included
>Made the minetown fountains dry up as well
>About 80 fucking fountains
>Still no excalibur
What is this bullshit
Are there even fountains in Gehennom? Because i don't think there are
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>>128814918
Stop trying to have fun. Crawl is a very easy game once you learn to stop having fun. Never explore when you aren't 100% full on health or XP. Never reveal tiles when an enemy is around. Never fight more than one enemy at a time. If you ever run out of MP or get to 50% HP, immediately exit the fight. If an enemy looks the least bit challenging, go back to the stairs and try another set down, without ever becoming adjacent to that enemy.
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>>128826817
>implying mumo isn't fun
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>>128826152
>backtracking again just to make sure i don't miss one
>got clairvoyance as to not accidentally miss a room
>find a secret room on d:2
>there's Excalibur on the floor
just
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>>128826152
You have to be above xl:5 or 7 I forget.

Are you playing dynahack or something and are sure there wasn't a change?
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>>128826152
make sure you are lawful or it won't work
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>>128826817
Isn't that how you're supposed to play roguelikes anyways?
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>>128827162
>Your pack overflows!
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>>128826152
>>128827162
fucking kek
>>128827180
nigga at d:26 he's higher than xl 7 for sure don't you think
specially if he doesn't know that
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>>128827205
>>128827162
oh or that lol
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>-1, +1d2 special grieves
>Ha, thank jesus, finally get free action. May be treacherous but whatevs, I doubt it
>Woo longsword of the feanorians, the +danger is bad but muh +1 dex +1 grace
>the greaves are treacherous paths and I left my [+0, 1d2] boots behind because of crippling inventory issues
>On 750' with +2 +dangerous enemy items
Not for a second do I feel like skipping lore master so I could get focused attack+concentration has been worth it. I don't have a clue how good players can bear it.
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>dump 500k into rods at the gamble shop
>nothing more than useful than a fireball
I-I'll be back
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>>128828246
the trick is to put lots ungodly amounts of experience into melee and evasion and kill the dudes
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>>128827279
Optimal play is usually tedious in any badly-designed game, so yes it's very common in this genre.
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You kill ONE shopkeeper.
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>>128828717
Went full retard. Came down the stairs in a n open room to 2 troll guards, went to a tunnel to get space to dakka them down. Kemurakuo showed up which is an instant run, then an unmourned and troll guards from the other side came. Staff of light for stun and buffs didn't help. I'd put too much in my archery kill to try and stay afloat while losing a bunch of evasion bonuses from gear. rip
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>>128827162
Wait what the fuck, i just checked the wiki and it says excalibur can't be randomly generated
i just
What?
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>>128829952
You're fucking dead. The Toll Collector is stronger than the Demon Lord.
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>>128830583
He slaughtered me and looked down on my body with hunger in his eyes.

Dude REALLY wanted his toll.
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>>128830230
Oh ok, a bit more looking around produced a vault with a dead knight inside. Looks like i accidentally attacked the guard when he came to check, but i have no fucking clue as to why i would've left excalibur lying around
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>>128829952
This happens in like every jrpg.
Shopkeepers with superpowers/over-the-top punishment for killing shopkeepers is the most bizarre thing.
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>>128761260
>12 hours ago
Damn, i'd love to see the character dump.
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>>128830859
does webtiles only save the dumps for a short time or something
>>128830721
>but i have no fucking clue as to why i would've left excalibur lying around
because you died?
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So I'm trying to get into ADOM. Is there a way to examine how badly an enemy monster is wounded?
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>>128830859
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Lemonizer/morgue-Lemonizer-20160116-152218.txt
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>>128831326
But i died in the vault, and the sword was in a room
Oh well, it was probably just a sleep-induced splat
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>>128831326
i sometimes forget webtiles are a thing since i never use them
i'm dumb
>>128831375
thank you
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>>128818091
>>128818505
>>128819003
>>128819035
><

ty, i feel silly now

anyway, how do you deal with invisible foes? i even wear an amulet which supposedly grants me ability to see invisible but i still cannot see most of the shadows and i suppose other things too

>>128819370
>>128819587

<3
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-3d shadowcasting of shadows
-calories are being introduced into the game
-melee combat nerfed pretty well

All done by Coolthulu (peace be upon him).
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>>128835864
dumb anime gril

There is a difference between darkness based monsters and "invisible" monsters.
Invisible monsters you can spot with a perception check, Keen Senses and True Sight give this check a huge bump.

Darkness based monsters create an aura of darkness which your light level directly counter-acts. Darkness from such enemies stack, so don't engage many at once unless your light source is strong enough. A good light source, Inner Light, or Song of the Trees can all help you against such creatures.
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>>128836228
I meant raycasting of shadows
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>>128836252
oh, it's so complicated...
i think i will pick inner light then

>>128831327

the health bar over the monster
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>>128836341
So what does this mean for the player? Or just some 3D prep stuff?
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>>128836435
I'm not using the tiles version
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>>128837450
I figured it out
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>>128837450
There's a look command ('l' maybe? I rebound all the default keys to support hjklyubn).
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>>128837237
Prep stuff, but you can climb a multistory office tower and look out a third story window and see what's going down below you now.

My dream of a comfy fortress in the sky may come true
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>>128837579
It was, and I was a moron.

Does anyone have any good instrumental albums for fantasy ambiance they'd suggest?
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>>128837450
use the tiles version in the ascii mode
it will allow you to see the health bar over the monsters. let me post an old screenshot (have no new ones)
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Stunning blast seems really good. Most monsters don't seem to cast or breathe much when it lands. So I'm sure all the endgame uniques will be stun immune.
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EDAIN STEALTH DIVER BUILD
=======================
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MOTIVATION:
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PLAYING OPTIMALLY TAKES TOO LONG. KNIFE EARS ARE FAGGOTS. DWARVES ARE MANLETS. FUN.

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BUILD ORDER:
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HALETH HOUSE

x/4/x/x -there's some flexibility here; since you won't be fighting 0-1 str is fine. go 3 con for tanking exchange places attacks, or 3 grace for finding traps

PUT ALL EXP INTO STEALTH AT THE BEGINNING

GET DISGUISE AND EXCHANGE PLACES (YOU WILL NEED THIS, I GUARANTEE IT)

WORK TOWARDS BOTH:
A (EVASION TREE) - DODGING->SPRINT, LEAP
B (PERCEPTION TREE) - EYE FOR DETAIL, KEEN SENSES->LISTEN
THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE; SPRINT AND LEAP HELPS YOU RUN AWAY FROM BAD SITUATIONS (GOOD OBVIOUSLY). KEEN SENSES AND LISTEN HELP YOU AVOID A LOT OF BAD SITUATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE. ALSO INVISIBLE FAGGOTS WILL DESTROY YOU AT 600FT+ WITHOUT PERCEPTION

AFTER GETTING THESE ABILITIES, YOU'LL WANT VANISH TO SHAKE OFF CUNTS TAILING YOU; EVENTUALLY GET THE STEALTH DEX ABILITY

SCUM 900-950FT (WHILE YOUR MIN DEPTH IS STILL RIDICULOUSLY SMALL) FOR PHAT LOOT AND PHAT EXP. GET ANGRIST AND SLUMBER STAVES, PUMP WILL FOR STAFF USE (AND POTENTIALLY A PIP OF CON IF THERE'S ENOUGH EXP) AND SLEEP MORGOTH. SWIPE THE ORB OF SIL AND GET THE FUCK OUT.

---------------------
PLAY STYLE:
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DIVE DIVE DIVE
WALK AROUND STEALTHED AT ALL TIMES AND AVOID EVERYTHING
NEVER ATTACK ANYTHING UNLESS IT WAS AN ACCIDENTAL FATFINGER BECAUSE YOU'RE DIVING SO FAST
YOU SEE A DOWN STAIRS/SHAFT OR A CHASM? TAKE IT
FOUND A FALSE FLOOR? WALK ON IT -> FREE EXP
GRAB ANY LOOT YOU CAN SWIPE BUT DON'T BE GREEDY
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Wow this is nice.

>>128837828
Agalloch - The White
A Field in England OST (not entirely instrumental)
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Does anyone enjoy playing rock/metal while playing roguelikes? Personal favorites of mine include Albino Slug by Buckethead and Black Sabbath Vol. 4
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The only TRUE pcb experience.

Gotta get more wands of cloning
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>+9 and +10 rings of speed
>no *healing*
Hahahaha
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Is there a way to pseudo id things on the ground in PCB? Ive also been playing mauler recently getting the hang of the mid game blowing shit up having a grand ole time...so how hard is the endgame going to fuck me over i have this creeping feeling that my dreams of blowing up monsters all the way to the serpent is about to get crushed
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>>128841850
Once you hit level 35 you get to see items quality on the ground, unless they changed it in 4.0.

Also the end game gets really stupid really fast, with some uniques touting all 3 elemental auras, uniques summoning uniques, and all manner of FUN.
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>>128842024
I see...well i guess a bigger weapon would help rings of speed and other ring weapon enhancers work on maulers right?Anything i should look to have by late mid game/early end game?
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>>128839127
EDAIN DIVER
D
A
I
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D
I
V
E
R
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>>128842304
Slaying bonuses are crap on maulers because they get a single blow, and slaying bonuses are applied per blow.

Go for max speed
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>>128839127
>>128842328
This does not need to be in all caps.
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>>128842501
Though weapon brands depend on dice, and mauler weapons tend to have a lot of them, so things like acid branded rings can be nice.
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>>128842671
The artifact gloves work pretty well for branding.

I got 1500 elec damage on my chainsword when equipping the elec gloves, and the chainsword was 11d5.
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>You climb downwards.
> A kobold, 4 orcs, an orc priest and Sigmund come into view.
>Sigmund shouts! The kobold shouts! The orc shouts! x2 The orc priest shouts!
>_The orc throws a tomahawk. The tomahawk hits you.
>Sigmund mumbles some strange words.
>Sigmund flickers and vanishes!

I have to thank the anon who taught me how to place stair exclusions.
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>>128843890
I splatted anyways because I used a escape hatch out of boredom, but I have to say that was one hell of a D:3. Robin, Sigmund, Jessica and Natasha all close to each other along with a orc pack.
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>>128841850
As already mentioned, you get that at level 35.

The mpa-pcb variant gives you the instant ground pseudoid from level 1, and turns all normal identify into *identify*. It probably makes the game a bit easier but it's also makes it less tedious and more fun.
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>>128842328

how do you plan to slay Morgoth
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Unzip it from your dick to become the king of fuck you
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Can chasms spawn on 950 ft?

How much better is the loot on 950 ft compared to 900 ft?

>>128845524
I don't know. I've never actually killed Morgoth before on the other races because my builds have always been heavily stealth oriented, so exp dumped into stealth instead of melee/archery/song probably made me too weak to do much damage to him. Anyway I'm scumming 950ft right now with 24 hp and it's pretty spooky. Min depth is currently 300'
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>>128845931
There's also a "Worpal Blade"
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>>128846110
Already got that one.

They should dual wield for a special effect.
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>>128845945
No.
Just do 950.
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>>128842328
EDAIN PRIDE

WORLD WIDE

GAS THE ELVES RACE WAR NOW
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I hate Headless so fucking much. Mediocre states. Mediocre abilities. Mediocre resistances. And yet, every time I fail to recruit him I feel like I've somehow irreversibly fucked my run.
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>>128847972
What game?
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>>128847972
I thought you were talking about the *band monster at first, and I agreed, but now I have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>128847972
>offense up and diehard
>mediocre
step it up senpai
spread diehard to everyone in your party and enjoy the high party member retention
Headless makes a great meatshield too, but yea I guess he's kinda shit mid-late game
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>>128848363
>>128848372
Demon

>>128848381
I hate Diehard because it feels like gambling with the lives of my invested demons. Something that saves you from death requires you be in a lethal situation in the first place, and generally I avoid those situations at all cost.

Offense Up has potential but I love Cleave and movement tanks too much to use it. Headless himself seems to constantly get dicked over by Light and Electric weakness.

But really, it's not like he's bad. It's just that his status as Unique always makes me overreact to missing out on him.
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>>128848836
True, but in Demon it seems like a lot of lethal situations are unavoidable, like running into a double/triple modified raicho pack on open ground. Not that diehard would save you or your party from that particular example, but it's a nice ability to have early on before your party's ability slots get filled up.
>It's just that his status as Unique always makes me overreact to missing out on him.
I get that same feeling with a lot of uniques, even if their potential niche is already filled. Gotta catch 'em all
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this is my list of slain monsters
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>>128850305
Nice
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>>128850305
>not going 100% pacifist for that sick conduct cred
Damn it, anon.
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>>128850792
Damn you're right. Maybe the next Edain will be a pacifist. Muh exp tho
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So I'm into Sil for the first time. Enjoying it.

I wish there was a little bit more in the way of item descriptions. Apparently this filthy rag I picked up is some form of clothing? I'm wearing it, anyway.
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>>128851690
Good
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>>128851690
Ew.
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How hard it would be to mod biker gangers into cata ? I mean hostiles NPC-s on bikes traveling oh roads.
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So, in Sil, do certain weapons make better thrown weapons than others? Logic seems to dictate that a spear or dagger would be a better thrown weapon than a curved sword, and practice seems to bear that out, but without hard evidence I can't be sure it isn't just confirmation bias.
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>>128845931

What is that "EyeEye" for?
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>>128852704
Eye for an Eye

Monsters are damaged as much as they damage you.

It's OK. Good against glass cannons.
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>>128835864
Read the fukken manual you cum guzzler
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>>128839127
So how do you get his birthday hat if he's sleeping? just bump him?
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>>128850305
Did you smith those +4 perception rings?
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>>128852642
Manual tells you what doesn't get a penalty and how it rolls for accuracy and damage
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>>128853313
Ah doy. Thanks.
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>>128853061
When he falls asleep it tips off his brow.
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>>128841332
>tfw no clone
I'll get you gadget
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I-I didn't want to win anyway

>>128853219
No, they were floor drops. I basically followed the build outlined in >>128839127 (after many splats obviously), then started to pump archery to kill dudes and get more exp. No room and no time for smithing. Those rings were pretty fucking good. Gave me trap immunity and made the listen ability superpowered. Also lockpicking
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>>128852774

Which class has this?
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>>128854269
Shield master, level 45.
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>>128854332

Ah cool, thank you.
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>>128854269
Shield Masters and Rune Knights both have access to it. It's probably in a spell book or two as well.
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>>128854390
Rune knights have Eye for an Eye? Is it just as an activate?
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So after splatting my first Sil game to a pack of archers, I've started another. I've found a forge at depth 50. I have 4 skillpoints available in smithing.

Is it worth the EXP to get something? And, since I'd have to chose, should I go for weaponsmithing, armorsmithing, or jewller?
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>>128854451
It's a spell in one of their non-rune pages.
If you can think of a worthwhile endgame buff, Rune Knights probably have it. They're broken even without exploiting.
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>>128854451
>>128854731

It's a level 40 spell.

https://code.google.com/p/chengband/wiki/RuneKnightSpoilers
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I seriously wish Roguebasin would moderate some entries.

Look at this bullshit: http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Mysterious_Space

Game's not a roguelike and yet it's on Roguebasin.
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>>128854574
What race? How deep do you want to invest in smithing? It depends on what you want really. But honestly smithing has never worked out for me because you're dependent on RNG spawning a forges, which are relatively rare. If it doesn't spawn more forges then all the exp you invested into smithing is wasted. And you still need to spend exp in your killdudes/survival skills too. But I think investing a little bit into smithing can be good: archers can get weapon smith for 300 + 500 exp for a huge batch of arrows early on, and then free flaming arrows if they encounter further forges. Armorsmith doesn't seem worth it without enchanment. Jeweler is cool because you can ID a lot of jewelery and horns by crafting them (which gives exp), and you can craft an infinite torch. But yea going balls deep into smithing doesn't work unless you know what you're doing
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>>128854269
Shieldmasters get it but they can't use it at the same time as shield-bashing which is kinda too bad.

You can also get it temporarily from a scroll of vengeance but they're pretty rare.
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>>128854731
Considering everything in the endgame is broken, rune knights are just adapting to the situation.
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>>128855465
The wiki has poor quality control, yeah. There are also some pages that are just copy-pasted text from the "about" page on the roguelike's website.
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>>128855465
Roguebasin hasn't been strictly a roguelike catalog for years, it's basically just "the developer claims rogue as an influence".
Stuff like Triangle Wizard has always been there for example, and it's pretty much a top-down shooter with some roguelike mechanics.

It's cool for the "recently updated" thing on the main page but even that is sometimes saturated with not-roguelikes.
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where

WHERE

WHERE IS IT
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>>128858215
Wands of cloning got you down?

>/mlp general/
How embarrassing.
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>>128858364
horses are fun
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>>128858215
It just gets worse and worse.
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>>128858215
>>128858364
pedophile pls go
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>>128858716
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>if class= Yeek wand: Clone Monster drop =0
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Anyone installed on Linux before?

Trying to do so and when I try to perform 'make install' I get the error:

/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `attack.hlp': No such file or directory
Failed to install attack.hlp!
make[2]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make: *** [install] Error 2

Anyone come across this before?
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>>128859060
This is for PosChengBand btw
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>>128859060
a) make without install
Or:
b) Edit the makefile in lib/help to not look for files which don't exist.

a) is obviously easier.

Next time you should mention which game you are trying to compile though!
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>>128859161

Save yourself the hassle and just run the Windows version via Wine,
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>>128859060
>>128859161
Oh, also ./configure will only find ncurses 5, so if you have 6 then it will miss it.
To get around this, just edit acinclude.m4 to replace all instances of "ncursesw5" with "ncursesw6". Then ./autogen.sh and ./configure again.

The only other problem you may have is void usleep.

Ctrl+f the first instance of void usleep in src/main-gcu.c and comment that line out (//). Do the same for src/main-x11.c if you are using x11 for multiple windows.
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>>128859250
>>128859450
>>128859974

I'm going to try and modify the makefile as I'm unsure how to get this going with 'make install' I'm still new when it comes to Linux I'm going to keep trying though
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>>128860391

I am not new to Linux and I managed to compile PCB 3.5 and I still prefer the Windows version under Wine as it's a pain in the dick to get proper multiple window support in the Linux version.
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>>128860391
I'm not sure how different it is since I use cygwin, but most of it should apply.
Just "make" then ./src/poschengband is what I do, but editing the makefile shouldn't be difficult either.
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>>128860495
Multiple windows are over-rated. Playing in a single terminal is tight and cozy. I don't begrudge your choices though.
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>>128860495
>>128860603
Thanks for the help. Going to install on Windows and try on Linux again another time.
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>>128860912
I just hate having to click extra shit for simple things like monster descriptions and inventory so I have a window open for monster descriptions, inventory, character equipment, and a message log while my main window where the game is remains clutter free.
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After 50 million spent rerolling, I am starting to worry.
...Could it be that black markets don't sell trash wands anymore?
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>>128860912
Getting a 1440p screen really upped my multiple terminals game, it's nice.
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>>128861325

Tried Zul yet? I know I saw clone monster wands in their wand shop.
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>>128861325
Curse of the horsefucker.
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>>128861467
>wand shop
there is no such thing as a wand shop, anon. I once got two clone monsters and a staff of summoning in the black market in zul out of sheer luck without even rerolling on a yeek monk of nature, but that's it.
Unless you mean the red 9 shop, the magic shop, that sells books and staves, but I tried that too in the other towns and they don't sell trash wands.
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>>128861663
See
>>128861553
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>>128815251
Some of the classes in OWH+ start with a dash ability that lets you doublemove for a while at the cost of stamina.

The last time I played OWH+ I was at the same place you're at, and it does seem like most classes aren't well setup to handle it, but I got further with dash than without.

Maybe someone better at the game can chime in.
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Alright I'm gonna play a yeek munchkin rune knight for a sec and use the 10 million to check if the zul magic shop carries wands of clone monster.

because this is fucking retarded
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>>128861663

Yes, there is a separate wand shop. Look for the "6" in Zul.
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Spent 10 million in a random black market with the munchkin yeek rune knight. No trash wands.
Actually, I only found three wands, which were all good.
I don't think I'm doing this the right way.

>>128861935
is it the red six
because that's still a magic shop
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Hahahaha

I've never fought this thing before.

Wish me luck.
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>>128861325
My last three characters all got a ~16 charge clone wand in black market.
None of them found immunity items before splatting though.
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Top ten ways to shit your pants

Abandon ship
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>>128862273

Yeah, the magic shop where you can buy wands, staves, and figurines.
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>>128862397
Did you recall into that room?

There was a good chance to just instantly die if enough breathed at once.
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>>128862378
the greek have a saying that goes kind of like this:" when you have yoghurt you don't have a spoon and when you have a spoon you don't have yoghurt."
Ours is a little different, it goes "when you have bread you don't have teeth, when you have teeth you don't have bread."

Basically, the conga is RNG based.
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>>128862397
Yeah Azazoth is one of those level guardians you really need destruction to properly deal with. It's why I play with ironman_quests on.

Getting Loki on 76 or Nodens on 88 when you're not properly equipped is bullshit.
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>>128862482
Teleported into it.


Turned 360 degrees and read ?teleport level out of there
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>>128862438
Tried that with another 10 million munchkin rune knight.

Nothing.

This is getting alarming. I'll go scum orc 15.
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>>128862614

Seriously, that is fucking weird. I run into those all the time.
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Will clearing my mutations also clear my demigod mutations?
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is it worth to use a kite shield of the sawn +4 will instead of a mythril shield in sil

it's a kite shield after all i heard they are big no no
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>>128862719
No.
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>>128862614
wouldn't it be easier to play the normal way

>>128862719
no

at least it used to be no
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>>128862281
Good luck. You'll need it.
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>thought it was an ordinary ice giant
>it's fucking Ymir
>keep bumping and he dies anyway

>>128862814
Great

>>128862894
Ha ha, yeah
>>128862397
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>>128862794
Man please proofread your posts.

People dislike Kite Shields because they make you worse at hitting dudes and hitting dudes is a very powerful strat in Sil. The protection they offer is also usually not terribly higher than a Round Shield for that trade-off.
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>>128862719
Mutations from your race/personality/class (except beastman) are permanent and unremovable.
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>>128862880
>wouldn't it be easier to play the normal way
no
no it wouldn't
I am playing a lazy yeek anon, I am squishy as fuck

>>128862648
I'll download a new 4.0 version of PCB and check if there's any differences.
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>>128863045
but if (+4 will) worth that (-2) instead of (-1) from my current shield
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>>128863216
Probably. Artefact items are nearly always exceptions to bad item types. Hell, there's an artefact broken sword which is pretty good.
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>unique named "that fucking bat" in icky caves
>summons a greater dragon the second it sees me
>it breathes
>I die
>I won't learn from my mistakes and will make another character that will splat after an unproductive day
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>play caves of Qud
>finally menage to make my meele marauder reah level 4
>brutalize everything, up my mutation and armor
>one of those wall-plants menage to kill me from full hp when it's actually an enemy that i used to kill at lvl 1

so fucking bullshit.
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>>128863301

There is even an artifact filthy rag called "The Nut of Wisdom" or something like that.
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>>128863319
>" in icky caves
>>summons a greater dragon the second it sees me
>>it breathes
>>I die
>>I won't learn from my mistakes and will make another character that will splat after an unproductive day

>not killing them from out of range with a bow

There's seriously no reason to ever go in melee range of a jilted lover. If it isn't in a corridor you don't even have to kill it.
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Cool.

Useless for me though. Though nothing short of the *vorpal* blade can trump my current weapon.

Goodnight /rlg/
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apparently downloading a new version of PCB gives me a SHITTON of wands when I buyout black markets. Still no clone, but I got like 4 wands in a single buyout.
I just don't know what went wrong.
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>>128863578

Go to Zul in the new version. They'll have Clone wands in the magic shop.
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YES

YES I SEE IT

I SEE THE LIGHT

IT EXISTS
IT IS A WAND OF CLONE MONSTER

I think I fucked up something in the previous PCB folder when I tried to edit the reward for yeeks as a wand of clone mosnter and then reverted it, maybe. I can't be sure.

Anyway I'll just port the save to here.
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>>128858424
>horses are fun
let's request chris to make a horse race and a cat race! he already made a dog race and a centipede race, how the horses and dogs are worse?


<- that's how a sexy specimen of a cat race could look like
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>>128863832

Centaurs are not enough for you?
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>>128863315
Well it's called "that fucking black bat" for a reason.
Sometimes you get that ancient gold dragon and sometimes it doesn't do shit and you fart in it's direction and it dies.
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oh my god
this is

this is beautiful

look at all those clone monster wands

I almost feel like crying

>>128863713
thank you anon.

>>128863832
>pleb tier monstergirls
I bet you like monster musume
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>>128863950
You're cheating, right?
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>>128863886
oh

you are right

be we need cats!

well any f monsters, nine-tailed foxes are fine too

>>128863950
>I bet you like monster musume
no, but i absolutely adore ears and tails <3
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>>128864018

No. Zul's magic shop sells these wands normally. I know because I played Cavalry tons of times and I could always rely on Zul for Haste/Heal/Clone monster wands.
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>>128864018
>You're cheating, right?
No, the zul shop now stacks wands of clone monster. It is a beautiful sight.
If you mean the money, I just sold four stacks of 90 +8 armors with stability on them.
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>>128863950
You better buy the figurine to put in your museum.
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Is there any sci-fi roguelike I could enact my power-fantasies in ?
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>>128864332
basing on the pic which you posted you can try maidensnow eve :^)
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>>128864332
I really really hate boob-plates.
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>>128864306

Not that anon but whenever I see a statue I collect it and put it in the museum.
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>>128864332

Well, there's always PRIME:

http://pesky-reticulans.org/
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>>128864514
For a good reason, boobplates are fucking stupid. Follow your inner /tg/.
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>>128863832
Looks just like my Cata waifu
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Cyberpunk roguelike when? I want an unique that fuck with you and change your keybindings and shit
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>>128865006

Make one?
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>>128863471
>>128863319
this
All the "kobolds" drop bows out the ass, no excuse

Remember to buy a few bandages so you don't bleed out from a thorn trap, too

The real pro strat is not going to the first dungeon the first thing you do at all, get your free level from the tinkerer and kill easy monsters in the saltmarshes for level 3-4
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>>128865039
Sure but between learning how to code and making it itll take a while
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>>128865213
>The real pro strat is not going to the first dungeon the first thing you do at all, get your free level from the tinkerer and kill easy monsters in the saltmarshes for level 3-4

i played this game for 3 hours and i can confirm than that is not a pro strat, but simply the only way to increase your survival rate.
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>>128864901

may be i should play cata too
just imagine how you sew your cat ears before going to stalk zombi-infested streets looking for supplies and then when you return feeling tired frustrated and sad, you use your vibrator to raise your morale back again... so comfy :^)
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>>128865294
It's absolutely not necessary but it's certainly helpful

Besides perhaps a ranged tinkerer with bad grenade luck and no gun/bullets I can't think of a character where it would be absolutely necessary to grind a bit before red rock
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>>128864520
You're a good man, anon.
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>>128865610

Figurines, though, eh. Statues in the wild are awesome to find especially when it's a statue of the Cyberdemon zombie lich etc. etc. etc. thing.
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I know it's been pointed out it won't be that good against the Serpent but goddamn is having a 300 heal for 27 sp at this point in the game super fucking nice.
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>>128866060
Yeah its still super good, means you dont need !healing. Glyph of warding is also super good
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>>128865006
>change your keybindings
How would you make this fun for the player?

From the dev perspective you would want to avoid allowing the keybind randomization to do things like quitting the game, but once you start going down the path of restricting allowed bindswaps it seems like you would come to something resembling an abstracted *confuse effect. Since confuse effects have been done to death, where's the draw? How do you make this interesting?
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