/domg/ - Dominions General

>>128523015
>misfortune
>magic 3
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>128523081
MA Man has monks, though.

>>128523135
>unaffected by magic scales,

>>128523135
It's more that magic goes very well with luck. If you're running Magic 3, you may as well drop Order by 1 and take a point in a temp scale to get luck 1 as well.

>>128523330
Are they? I haven't played Man.

Daily reminder to do your turns.

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What about a nation who's dominion forces enemy units to make morale checks, or desert and join you at your capital?

>>128525150
No.

>>128525587
That'd be pretty cool.

I don't think it's moddable, though. You could possibly get enemy units to desert through events, but I'm not sure how you'd make them go to your capital.

>>128525587
What about a dominion that killed enemy troops if they failed a MR check?

That would be more balanced than what you just suggested.

>>128525850
Make it not affect commanders and it would be quite possible to deal with.

Either use mindless troops or use morale boosters to keep your troops.

>>128525850
For army it's actually pretty easy to buff morale and not at all possible to buff MR. Sleeper with inspirational items would cover most of the morale checks easily.

>>128525954
>>128525954
It still takes away your troops and gives them to the enemy. Due to how RNG works, even if it was an easy check it would still affect a significant percentage of your troops even with good morale. Saying you can compensate for it is like saying you can compensate for an enemy that autocasts casts Mass Enslave at the start every battle. It's possible, but that doesn't make it balanced. If nothing else it forces opponents to spend resources on coming up with counters, and not everyone has easy access to mindless troops or Sleepers.

Unless the nation itself was really weak and actually needed to rely on stolen troops to have a good army, it's completely overpowered.

>>128525587
I'd prefer a dominion that forces every battle in it to constantly provoke fear checks, so squads just start turning and running.
And nation doesn't have mindless troops or commanders. Your land is just scary.

>>128526385
Isn't there a global that basically does that?

>take D9 blessing as LA c'tis

How do i get sacred undead to make the most use of this?

>>128525587
what about a nation of lolis

What exactly does the decay of bane blades do?

>>128526140
Compare it to MA C'tis, who get a massive chance to disease everything living inside their dominion. C'tis dominion gives no saves, and it affects your mages and leaders too.

Losing a few % of non-commander units per turn is a lot less nasty than having everything you send in (including your mages/commanders) get diseased.

>>128528697
Decay causes targets to rapidly age on the battlefield. It will add afflictions and decrease health as age increases and eventually outright kill the unit from old age.

>>128528756
what are the exact mechanics of the decay though? is it like a poison effect? how long does it last, etc?

>>128528883
>Ages the target by five years per round of battle. There is a 5% chance per round that the target will get a chance to resist the spell. The resistance is checked by MR against 15
From the description of the Decay spell in the manual.

>>128528756
>C'tis dominion gives no saves, and it affects your mages and leaders too.
It also doesn't give you free units, and disease doesn't instantly take away enemy units.

>Ermor rushed BoT

Welp, at least we know he dumped like all his death gems into it and hasn't researched anything else. I'll be the worst hit, but I don't border him. If I did, I'd have already been balls deep in his cap with my forces.

>>128528974
So is it a MR check every round or only a 5% chance to get a MR check every round?

When do more afflictions show up? Right after you hit old age?

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So, anyone else wanna have a bad time?

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>>128529276
Pan was right.

>>128528994
>It also doesn't give you free units
Why are you so hung up on free units?

Given that it's a morale check, what you would end up getting is mainly chaff with few useful units.

>disease doesn't instantly take away enemy units.
After 15 turns at 3% unit loss per turn (about what I'd aim to set it at for 10 morale troops) you'd have lost 37% of the troops in your army. None of the mages or leaders, none of your SCs or thugs, just a third of the troops. Less if you're using anything elite or using morale boosters.

By comparison, disease would have utterly crippled everything in your army after 15 turns in moderate-heavy C'tis dominion. Even if you managed to use Mass Regeneration to keep troops from dying, everything would be too afflicted to be useful in combat.

>>128529165
>So is it a MR check every round or only a 5% chance to get a MR check every round?
Judging by how long it seems to stay on units for, 5% chance of MR check per round.

>When do more afflictions show up? Right after you hit old age?
I think it's a chance to gain an affliction every time you gain age above your maximum. I'm not sure on this, but that's how it works outside of combat.

I believe HP (and stats like att/def/prec) decreases when you reach a % threshold above max (e.g. 150% of max age) but I don't know what these thresholds are.

>>128529276
You know, undertale was an alright game. But god damn, you're annoying.

>>128529276
>Killed by Elves
>Allive
>Arrested
>Killed by Elves
The lesson of the day is arround elves watch yourselves.

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>>128529959
>Ulm
>Killed by elves

>>128530207
What'd you call Vanheim taking the majority of their territory, killing over a thousand Ulmites and Ulm going AI the turn after losing a massive battle to Van?

>>128529818
>Why are you so hung up on free units?
Because losing 37% of your army isn't just losing 37% of your army, it's also increasing your opponent's army by the same percentage at the same time. a 1000 vs 1000 just became 630 vs 1370, which means a 1:1 fight turned into a 1:2 and your opponent didn't even have to do anything but turtle.

Which is all he has to do anyway. Imagine sieging this nation's capital, while you're constantly losing units that pop up in his army to help with the defense. Even if he's outnumbered, holding out for enough turns means he simply turns the tables and brining reinforcements to speed up breaking his gate also speeds up the rate at which he gets new units.

>>128530485
Giants have high morale. Skeletons have 50 morale. Plenty of ways to siege.

>>128530636
Sure, but that's assuming you have the right paths to summon those and even if you do, that doesn't mean our regular armies won't still get drained.

Not to mention it will be super harsh on nations with naturally low morale. Guys like MA Ermor can just ignore it of course, but they can ignore lots of stuff that fucks normal nations up.

I mean, if you can make it an interesting nation that's cool and I'd honestly love to see it in action, but I don't believe a passive unit-stealing dominion won't be OP. I guess if you make the chance of it happening really low it won't have a huge impact, but from the way you're describing it, it would simply be OP against many nations.

>>128530636
Yeah, cuz every nation has the ability to mass giants and skeletons in enough numbers to siege even a moderately well manned fort.

>>128530485
>a 1000 vs 1000 just became 630 vs 1370, which means a 1:1 fight turned into a 1:2
That's still a lot better than C'tis, where sitting there for the same time leaves you with no usable troops and no usable mages.

>Imagine sieging this nation's capital, while you're constantly losing units that pop up in his army to help with the defense.
If he's stuck in his capital he's going to be losing units to desertion extremely fast and won't be able to keep a 1000 unit army. He'll still need to pay upkeep on those troops he's taking from you.

There are also other ways to increase siege strength without giving him troops. You can bring siege-boosting items, siege-boosting summons (crusher, great eagles), or anything mindless (nature has mindless chaff, and everyone should have some access to it at least)

So can C'tis get any sacred undead?

>>128531228
LA C'tis priests can reanimate Tomb Wyrms, which are sacred undead.

>>128531228
Quadbless with them is surprisngly effective for the whole 5 turns I got to use a decent number of them.

>>128520841

Incorrect. Vanheim has huge piles of gold from raiding, that it converts into mages. It tends to 'not have magic' only when the person playing it 'sucks'. It also has native high A and effective paths, especially in EA.

>>128529004

400000000000 vaetti and giants are marching there as we speak.

>>128531293
strange, not getting any option to reanimate with keeper of the tombs. which units can do it?

>>128532075
The undead priests, Tomb Kings and the like.

>>128532049
I'm sending troops to assist, and to help Agartha retake the lands stolen by skellies.

>>128532075
Oh, yeah. >>128532289 is right, they have to be undead priests. I think they need to be at least H2 as well.

The fastest way to get started with Tomb Wyrms is to summon a cheap undead (like with Revive Grave Consort) and make it your prophet.

>>128532432
not sure what's going on, but i have a beseiged H4 priest that was able to reanimate last turn, but now the reanimate option has completely dissapeared...

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HOW

>>128532492
You can't reanimate during a siege since they need to leave the fort to dig up dead snakes.

>>128532514
AI cheats like a motherfucker.

Also he's probably bankrupt and got a gold event making his income positive.

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Why are you so mean, niefel-sama? ;_;

>>128523406
>suggesting a meme build like order2 luck1
Kek. Misf1 is fine you faglord, you get more indie attacks via thrones than you do Misf. And the tiny amount of lost gold is more than made up for by other events increasing prov income.

>>128533201
Why can't you handle the bantz?

>forgot to script thaumaturgs and lost around 30 of them along with 2k skellies
>the turn didn't get through and I staled
I'm sorry, guys. I'll go set myself AI now NOT.

>>128533201
Git rekt skrub

>>128534428
I was wondering why those guys did nothing but spam Banish.

Eh, your losses are easier to replace than mine so even though I won that battle it's not like it really matters in the long run. I'm already dead anyway, being at war with all of my neighbours at once. Just trying to kick some ass before I'm out of the game.

>>128534358
I can, but he is such an experienced player and makes my heart beat faster

ded

>>128536693
It's 7 am in civilization on a weekday. How is it dead?

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Ichtyid mod guy here. Made Rampart mod nation from Heroes of Might and Magic III today.

http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/ea-avlee-elven-kingdom

http://www.mediafire.com/download/gu9ap6p81rp9s51/avlee_ea_v0.9.rar

>>128537108
WHAT A MONSTER

Don't you think the name is a bit too similar to your Alee mod?

are you a robot

>>128537108
Gelu, Gem and a centaur hero?

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>>128537281
>Don't you think the name is a bit too similar to your Alee mod?
Yeah. That's because I came up with Alee just by removing 'v' from AvLee. Had no plans to make the actual AvLee mod.
>>128537426
>Gelu, Gem and a centaur hero?
Gelu, Snowjay (just some random her from HoMM4), and sylvan centaur multihero.

>play c'tis
>literally easy modo

Not only is death an incredibly strong path, but undead are just OP. Indie water province? No problem, send in some cheap or free undead to take it. Free chaff. Really strong summons like wights. Horde of skeletons means you dont even need line blockers, because you can spam them in combat for free.

Meanwhile some other nations have slow to recruit A2 mages that get no fucking summons (or at least ones that matter) and cant even craft boosters.

>>128537486

You planning to do all the HoMM factions so we could run a HoMM game?

>>128537917
>run a homm game
rampart being EA and the other being MA kinda makes that hard unless he still kept the IDs separate

Would be cool, though.


speaking of IDs my damn unreleased, shit mod is 128 you son of a bitch

>>128537917
I keep all my IDs compatible with each other, so HoMM game is possible (with some small number editing). I don't have any plans for other factions right now, but I didn't even have plans for this one. I just thought yesterday that it would be a good idea, and made it today.

>>128538202
Do you use spritegen and recolor, or what?
How did you quickly do the reshading on the High Druid?

>>128538202
>Do you use spritegen and recolor, or what?
No, I just use paint.net and make sprites piecemeal manually. If I need the recolor something it's as simple as select something and change hue.

>>128538896
Obviously, meant to reply to
>>128538772

>>128538896
make a loli mod

>>128539242
Loli mod with ero story events.

>>128539242
>>128539396
How degenerate

Is there anyone capable of stopping this?

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>>128540210
And when I say this I mean this picture.

>>128540356
How meme.

>>128540391
I was hoping someone could dispel it so I could throw a bunch of gems their way.

>>128540446
Me and Jotunhiem are doing the old fashioned dispell, stabbing the bugger.

>>128540782
Well I wish you the best of luck in that endeavor

just bought the game

any newb friendly factions?

I poste don the last thread about playing ermor and was wondering the best way to play it, as well as the best pretender set up.

I don't want to cheese with burden of time and just want to rp has the big ominous dead empire that doesn't really do much but if it did would be a pain in the arse to deal with

>>128542169
Read the pastebin, it's in the OP.

I'll spoonfeed the relevant bit for you since I'm a faggot like that, but you should still read it.

>>What nations should I learn with?
>Human nations with a lot of magic diversity and mundane troops: T'ien Ch'i (any age), Arcoscephale (any age), EA Ermor, etc.
>Giant nations with a major bless: Niefelheim, Fomoria, Ashdod
>Heavy infantry nations with simple magic: MA Ulm, Abysia.
>Necromancy: C'tis (any age), Sceleria, Ermor, Asphodel, Lemuria
>Blood: Mictlan (any age), LA Ulm
>It’s worth trying out each of these playstyles at least once.

>>128539730
>implying lolis are degenrate

>>128542394
>t'ien ch'i
>newbie friendly

They are extremely reliant on communions because their mages are rainbow with a max of 2 in one path and a 25% chance of getting a level 3 mage. Their troops are shit and mostly poorly armored (scale mail while other nations in the same era have plate, and i'm not even referring to ulm), and the glaives are worse than pikes (length 4 weapons on shitty human soldiers without shields, good luck).

They have decent sacred summons, but limited magic command options as all their mages have shitty leadership. Some of their pretender chassis like the celestial general are hilariously bad (200+ points for poor magic, dominion, no fear, no awe, no survival abilities, doesn't even start with a shield, full armor or a magic sword).

I wouldn't call them newbie friendly.

>>128543220
Good nations to learn with isn't the same as easy nations to play. Any nation that relies heavily on Blood or Astral is going to be a bit more challenging for newbies since blood economies and communions/sabbaths both take a bit more effort to use properly than simply pumping out more Niefel Giants, but that doesn't mean those aren't things you'll want to learn when starting out with the game.

Besides, I didn't write the pastebin. If you have an issue with anything in it, take it up with whoever did. Not that you will, considering you were too lazy to even read it in the first place.

>>128543509
>Not that you will, considering you were too lazy to even read it in the first place.
what makes you think the guy who asked about newb friendly factions and wants to be Ermor is the same guy saying TC isnt newbie friendly?

you think some newbie asking about ermor would know shit about TC or its difficulties?

>>128544840
>what makes you think the guy who asked about newb friendly factions and wants to be Ermor is the same guy saying TC isnt newbie friendly?
I'm not.

The reason I know why you didn't read it is that you didn't start whining about it until I copypasted it for the newbie.

>>128545134
he started 'whining' about it then because that was when it and TC was first mentioned and posted in response to some guy asking about newbie friendly nations

the fuck am I reading

I agree that Tien Chi is important for learning the game when you're new but I wouldn't put it first on the list when talking about good nations for newbies. Better to learn with a huge bless or summon spam nation and then move on to the finesse of communion mages.

Look at this photograph
everytime I do it makes me laugh

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So Mictlan, are we in for a collision?

>>128550019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEuU64Zt4B0

>>128550019
>>128550341
Yeeees, collude at your leisure, good goyim.

Are there actual black people who play Dominions? Not trying to start a shitstorm or anything...

>>128550787
No, you need to send a certificate proving your pure Aryan heritage to illwinter before you're allowed to play dominions.

>>128550787
Considering that Amuys was stabbed by a methhead, I'd say yes.

>>128550656
>collude
I think that's more of a your thing, Shlomo.

>>128550656
>>128551182
Best freudian slip ever.

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>>128551176

>>128550787
Well there's Kailasa/Bandar Log, dont think you need more.

>>128550787
I tried to get a black guy to play dominions once.
He stole my bike.

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Burd question, when you cast Gale Gate, how many hurricanes can I expect to strike my enemies?

I don't want them to get too mad at me for casting it.

>>128552710
It doesn't matter, they'll get mad anyway.

>Oh no, your global caused one shitty event in my land! I consider this a personal attack and will not rest until I've killed you!

>trying to make PD less shit
>can't mod in more commanders because hurr hardcoded
>manual mentions that the default is 20 units per 10 PD, which obviously isn't the case (you actually get 1 unit per 1 PD, half that rate)

I tried giving most PD 20 units per 10 PD, except for tribals which are super shit so they have double that rate. Militia is replaced by light infantry in all cases, most of the poptypes that are really similar to militia/archers/hvy infantry are now standardized to light infantry/archers/hvy infantry.

http://pastebin.com/0ZEgL9GR

Not sure how effective the increased PD is, thoughts?

This is for indies only as it modifies poptype, PD in fort provinces will default to your nation's PD settings.

>>128555048
>multipliers of 60, 80, and 120
what

Can the next quote be the one with "I have become death, destroyer of worlds".

I feel it will be relevant, especially for three select people.

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>>128556347

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>Cross-breeding
>Not viable

>>128556347
Dude, don't.

>>128556865
If it only gave you the big monsters, maybe.

>>128555409
60 means 6 units per PD point.

>>128556865
If the good results were more common it would be quite viable.

As it is, all it's good for is generating lots of chaff quickly.

>>128557304
Yeah. That's a lot when you have 60 for troglodytes and 120 on cavemen and stuff, don't you think?
Or maybe not and I'm a baddie. Who knows.

Any games open for a sorta-newish guy but not really newish?

>>128557582
>120 on cavemen

That's like a 4000% increase on the default, what the fuck?

>>128538025
>my damn unreleased, shit mod
If you're never going to release it can you at least tell us about it?

>>128545254
It's been in the pastebin forever. If you had an issue with it you could have mentioned it at any point prior to this. In any thread, even.

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>>128558652
You can have my shitty nation descrip and a picture of the unit roster and stuff that I just threw together.

The primary problem with it at the moment is its power level with mage pathing. Pretty sure they're too high, or something. Just like the description's word count holy christ + drama level, and the clutter on the banner.

It's basically as feature complete as it'll ever be, really. Ideally I'd add more spells to reinforce the theme but I got mad at the modding limitations/spriting and ideas are hard. I was tempted to just steal from Leijkis's spells because I noticed a similar theme (but mine is much less ...uncontrolled), but I can't do that.

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>>128556347
I believe it's closer to 'now I am become death, destroyer of worlds'

>>128559157
>>128545254
And before that it was in the OP for even longer.

Which just proves that some people never bother reading anything, I guess.

>>128560224
>mass horror mark

Jesus Christ, how horror-fying.

>>128561241
ayyy lmao
Yeah I have no idea how to properly balance that, but I thought it'd be funny to throw in. It's Thaum 7 S5H1 3 pearls to cast at the moment.
National income is 3x pearls, 2x death gems, 3x slaves. EA nation.

>>128560224
>>128562002
That's pretty neat. There's an old mod, Horror Scourge, that deals with the exploitation of horrors for fun and profit. Maybe you could draw some inspiration from it.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=31981
And here's a link to a version that I've updated for dom4.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6s02sr7aac94kjs/MA_TheranEmpire_Dom4.rar

I do have some questions though.
What are the actual paths on their rec-anywhere mages?
Do they have powerful sacreds?
Can they summon sacreds?
How does the nation play? Does it horrormark the enemy army, then summon horrors and run away? Does it summon horrors to fight alongside their troops? Does it summon horrors and hope that the horrors kill the enemy first, and that Halmirran experience and specialized anti-magic weaponry can kill horrors before horrors kill them?
How did you make that "summon doom horror" spell? As far as I know, modded spells that summon uniques pick the summon at random; instead of picking a different summon should it select one that already exists, it summons the one that exists to the caster's province. I'd like to know how you made it work.

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Frog status: frogged out.

This nation is so damn fun, doublecasting mummies are the best thing ever.

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>>128562856
Rather than be a clown here is the link to the mod. Hurrah.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/kn888xxp88d0ntt/Halmir.7z

>rec-anywhere mages?
See pic attached for the mages. Should be 98%+ right. What I probably need to do is reduce all of the random pathings a ton/flat-remove-em. Or manually increase their prices.
>powerful sacreds?
I think they're pretty strong, but they're also reclimit 4 cap-only magic beings. Still, quite strong.
>Summoned sacreds
Yeah, undead ones via a spell I didn't list. Who use the same sprites/stats as the not undead ones, but undeadified. Conj 5, "Call Ancestral Shiln".
>How does it play
I...don't know. They can skelespam if they want, and they have all the normal shenanigans S and B give you (horrors included). I don't actually have anybody with magic weaponry except for the sacred because I was worried about further balance problems there. I just figure magic protected them.
>The summon doom horror spell
I had problems with that. You can't use effect #87 with montags which sucks because then you don't get a neat "x has answered your call" effect. Instead it's just effect 37 using the montag of 8 (well, -8), which is assigned to Doom Horrors. It actually resorts to Greater Horrors if they're all on the map already (I believe that is what was going on), which is why I had to add that line in the spell. I tested the spell with #defector 50 still on the Doom Horrors so it made it slightly hard to tell what was going on though, honestly.

>>128564307
Also here's a pretty good note: I've never played MP that isn't beating up computers with a buddy or two, so that should give you an idea of how well I know the games interactions and its balance.

What level of appetite would DOMG have for an attempt to have a batch of balanced mod nations for each era? Obviously this would not be me just attempting it myself, but if it would never be used then bribing/coercing/blackmailing others to join would be pointless.

>>128564720
Do you mean like us make a bunch of mods, or just collect a bunch of mods, or both at the same time?

>>128564156
I really don't get why UW nations think they can compete with any serious land nation if they don't have a big magic or army advantage

>>128564307
That lineup looks very strong not because any one unit is bonkers but because they're just so efficient. The insanity thing might be a mitigating factor just because it'll make things annoying to use from time to time. I might also be reading the randoms wrong, but the Court Masters have up to S5 random and B4 random? Because that's pretty strong - it means that with just a coin and things that you can forge natively, you can boost to wish casting and trivially make blood boosters without empowerment. The blood hunting priests in particular are basically overpowered just because they ensure a steady supply of slaves for a very low upkeep. I'm not sure I understand the 27 blood slave summon thing on the Brother, but recruitable H3s are also very good in general just because of the ease of throne claiming. Foreign rec S mages also means that you can get an insane number out, but since they require a temple they at least require more infrastructure than LA Ulm

>>128565071
The UW v Land disadvantage fights are stuff like a bunch of melee v a bunch of crossbows. That battle is a bunch of chaff v sacreds and mages; the disadvantage isn't from being a UW nation, it's from bringing literally only infantry against an actual player force.

>>128565389
Oh, I thought he had brought some sacreds with him, turns out it's mother guard and not coral guard that are the atlantis sacreds. I guess you lose as any nation if you just bring normal infantry against supayas.

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>indie commander standing in a province for 3 turns
>that player attacks you
>you attack that province
best feel ever :^)

>>128564836
As in one mod, that adds a couple of nations for each era, which fall in the middle quartiles in terms of power.

>>128565142
>efficient
What do you mean? In that they don't have a bunch of possible other things to get/level-1-paths? I mostly want to limit their non-SBD pathing as a balance/theme thing.

>Master S5/B4
Yes, possibly. Not both, but one or the other. I know, they're high.
Any suggestions, there? -1S base? Here's there because I wanted an SDB mage, but, eh.

>BH Priest
What do you think of the Ea Xibalba Ah Nakom versus this guy? I thought the he might be a bit too good as well, but the Ah Nakom sort of told me that it was mostly ok, but maybe not?

>Brother
Yeah, it's just a blood summon that costs 27 slaves. For here I was worried about the dyingdom/nopreach/bloodsac effects. The only other nation in the game with that combo is Mictlan, who has basically H2 on all of their mages (so you're generally never without a sacrificer/having-to-spend-a-turn-just-to-get-one) and an H3 reccom. My H2 has insane 10 which isn't listed, so that makes it slightly more annoying to manage your dominion. I put this guy in really as a way to add theme/flavor, and the blood cost was chosen pretty much arbitrarily, because I have no idea.

>For-Rec S
Yeah I was worried about that. I just wanted a mage that was mostly specific to the nomads so I thought he should be foreignrec, but I knew that foreign-rec mages (especially S?) are apparently a problem. They initially lacked H1 but I put it on as a counterbalance to ease-of-production, but yeah, still.

Any mechanical change ideas?

>>128566205
Supayas can fly underwater, btw.

>>128567084
By efficient I mean that they're cheap. Think MA Ulm smiths - he does what you need at a great cost for what you get.

Recruitable S5 just seems high, yeah. 1/1/1 would at least leave them below starspawn. Recruitable B4, by comparison, isn't that huge of a deal since B empowering isn't that expensive and many other blood nations get armor of twisting thorns as another booster.

The xibalban B1 hunter spreads unrest, so he effectively has a higher upkeep than what it says on the tin and contributes a tad more to the pop kill from patrolling.

Having the H3 be a blood summon seems totally reasonable, but it's probably too cheap. The bishop fish is aquatic, and gems are worth more than 2 blood slaves.

If the navigators are intended to be sailing commanders, I don't think that they need to be mages too. Maybe give them something else related to guiding people through horror-filled territory, like void sanity.

Also, if you don't have it already, having weapons that apply horror marks would be pretty awesome.

>>128567254
Isn't that true of all units that have Fly in Storms? You just usually don't see them underwater. As I understand it, the not-flying-underwater thing is just the storm effect.

>>128567782
I think so but they're the ones which are amphibious AND have fly in storms.

>>128566174
Even if they were sacreds, MA Atlantis sacreds aren't particularly impressive. They're 1 attack size 3 infantry.

>>128567254
Yeah I know it, I just need some more air gems to get my commanders underwater too.
How does one magic support underwater with no water magic? Mind burn is probably an option but I want tasty areas since atlantis seems to have a lot of size 2 units (two fireballs per turn per Royal mallqui made my dick hard this battle)

>>128568218
orb lightning and lightning bolt both work underwater. That + buff spells (I'm assuming you throw some sort of buffs on your supaya) will be most of what you bring.

>>128568218
Get an Itchyd Shaman province, slap 4 of them with slave matrixes, royal mallquis cast spells for days. I'm not quite sure what spells but at that level of magic spam I don't think it matters much.

>>128568218
Horde of skeletons works underwater.

>>128568523
Oh, and skelly spam

>>128539730
Lolis are pure.

>>128557913
Cavemen are incredibly shit by default though.

>>128569164
Yeah but still.

>>128569260
Still what? A 4000% increase will make them, at best, worth the gold sometimes.

>>128568910
those that lust for lolis are not

>>128555048
>This is for indies only as it modifies poptype, PD in fort provinces will default to your nation's PD settings.
Can't that stuff be modified too, albeit more tediously?

>>128523015
how do I skelly spam

what is the best build for skelly spam?

is there skeleton jelly?

>>128569664
120 units for 55 gold is a fucking lot even if they are bad units. And Cavemen hit like a truck, so it's not like they're entirely useless.

That mod doesn't seem to be about making PD "worth the gold" as much as it is about making light raiding impossible.

>>128567646
Oh, they're cheap. Yeah I dunno, I'm just going off autocalc for most things. I guess the thing here is that they simply don't have extraneous abilities/pathing, so it's not increasing their cost a bunch.

I didn't even know about this aquatic fish. I'll bump it up to like ~45 slaves, then?

Navigators are not sailors. They're like spiritual guides/star-readers to the nomads. The only sailing comm in the nation is their fort-rec Captain, who is also the only guy with leadership higher than 40 [Nomad chief & Navigator] or 10 [all mages], at 80.

The sacred's sword horrormarks, and the Brother's fist (if he was to actually punch a dude for whatever reason) does so as well. Technically so does the little bird summon, but it's easymrnegates so is unlikely to ever actually do anything, especially combined with 8 ATT and overall terribleness.

Thanks for the feedback, by the way. I expected it to be a lot harsher, to be honest. Have you made any mods yourself?

>>128570078
This is PD though, they're stuck to one province. Which means chances are you'll never spend that 55 gold because you've got like a hundred provinces and honestly when are you even gonna need shit like that?

>making light raiding impossible.
If your idea of "light" is "with a scout". Thugged out elves are going to cut through 120 cavemen like they were butter. Anything in mid-game can cut through it with a single mage, a strong bless can cut through it, and in the early game nobody can afford it so it doesn't matter.

>>128570528
Well, if you're that set on it, I'm obviously not going to change your mind.

Do continue.

>>128570715
I'm not even the modder, I just think buffing PD is a very good idea. I'd like to play a game with his mod and see how the specifics work out, and after we know a bit more about that I'd like to see PD buffs in sum1won's general purpose balance mod. Those buffs might end up smaller than in this test mod, but PD definitely does need buffs.

>>128570894
What, in your opinion, is buffed PD meant to achieve that you can't achieve with regular PD right now?

>>128567935
I'm probably going to copper arm + crystal shield my royal mallqui eventually. Because why the fuck not. Man I LOVE crystal shields.

>>128571265
Two words:
Spellcasting Encumberence.

>>128571742
i know but -50% fatigue cost is a lot in some spells, isn't it?

jesus fucking christ, how long does it take to ban a single nation? with this pace we won't start till it's 2137

>>128571913
24 hours to make a ban is enough imo, you should skip them if they last more than 24 hours (secon chance to pick nation after everyone pick theirs if they skipped pick phase)

>>128571104
Being occasionally cost-efficient beyond 1pd in normal play, and being a potential counter to a raid-happy enemy, driving up the cost of raiding and allowing a wealthy nation to reduce the number of raids enough that a war can be won against raiders without inevitably plummeting you to the bottom of the rankings, assuming you don't get picked apart by the vultures who see you shedding provinces anyway.

>>128571868
It's fatigue/(1+levels above spell level), so at most 50%. Asside from that with a clam they could cast it anway, and encumbrance is doubled for spellcasting, makes it as worth it as hearts of life on mages.

>>128572093
So basically you want it to counter raiding as a tactic because you're not gud enough to do it the regular ways, even though you just claimed it wouldn't even stop a single raider?

Nice talking to you, chump.

>>128572547
Yes that's exactly what I said.

Damn, I thought we have 72 hour delay now (36+ turn or something).

ded

>NO TURNS

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Pan was right

>>128572059
well I'm not the admin, just an extremely butthurt signee.

>>128577458
Llamaserver didn't send me a new turn file, that was interesting.

Is there any way to make a unit/troop start with a magical item/effect?
More specifically, a way to start with Luck?
I wanna give all of these units Lucky Coins just by default, but I can't give them the luck/magical part of it - I can only copyarmor, which is just the prot/parry stats.

#onebattlespell only works for comms, so I can't do personal luck for em all unless I wanna just make a comm that casts Will of the Fates which I obviously don't want to do.

>>128578164
will anyone mock on me if i ban MA ermor?
it's not thaaat strong, but they are annoying and sceleria is banned

>>128579417
NO SKELETONS

>>128579417
don't do it nigga
don't ban a faction just because shitters use shitty gimmicks and strats

just ban the strats and make sure you don't have absolute retard power gamers playing it

>>128579417
Go ahead.

>>128579771
It's a game where each player gets to ban a nation and then pick a nation.

>>128580456
isn't there any easy counters to ermor?

>>128580762
Elementals

>>128580762
That it's a disciple game.

>>128550341
This ain't me actually. I just want all the yummy farm provinces.

>>128579417
No that would be stupid

>>128580762

Not if Ermor knows what they're doing.

>>128580762
It's your argument, don't ask me to make it for you.

>>128580870
Disciples game, so its going to be a bit weird. Ermor is probably going to try to expand with an awake disciple and thug-commanders. He'll send provinces and gold to his allies, apart from that which he'll use for indie mages who will supplement research. His allies will give him all the death gems he can eat to make lictor factories.

>>128580762

Magic duel plus whatever to remove skeleton chaff.

went through the motions and I think I'm ready for a game.
are there any mods that are normally on for most of the hosted matches is it just the heroes mod like the pastebin says?

>>128582191
Just the heroes mod.

>>128579417
Just a warning, you'll be letting Nazca through, so you'll have undead spam either way.

And Nazca undead is much spookier than Ermor in Disciples, since using Ermor's Dominion in Disciples . . . is a bad idea.

>>128582393
cool, guess I'm ready to play

If anybody would like to know how to NOT diplo in dominions, let me direct you to the following thread:
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2750&st=45

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another fine drawing done by my friend. Please enjoy

>>128584472
Ally is fucking hilarious, see also Boz 2 and I think Ffaanla threads for his brand of diplomacy.

>>128584472
This is an impressive level of salt, even for dominions players.

>>128584979
AN and Ally are two different players, but yes.

>>128584917
That's a pretty sick art style, m8. Make your friend draw more stuff.

>>128584917
What are his other drawings?

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>>128586223

>>128586339
come on senpai

burden of time isn't even that bad

and ermor isn't overpowered, their fairly benign most of the time and are more scared of you then you are of them. They just want to turtle in peace and field 10000 strong skele armies, but not actually use em.

leave ermor alone

>>128586630
read the comment chain.

>>128585637
I just read the first post, which was Ally attempting to beligerently force others to do what he wanted them to, rather than the rest of the page. So it's not quite as stupid as mistaking usernames but still a fuckup on my part.

>>128587118
Ally isn't even in that thread, though. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

>>128587573
Well, turns out I had a tab open of a different thread from the forum, and didn't pay attention to the taskbar.

IE, I'm retarded.

>>128564307
>>128564520
Their rec-anywhere magic is surprisingly low for an EA modnation, but that's not a bad thing. What they have is all they need to be effective.

The "free"spawn horror hawks are a little strange, but I guess they're thematic. That they can pull double-duty as chaff and patrollers is neat, but they're not exceptionally durable for chaff.

>making doomhorrors sacred
It's probably fine.

I think you forgot to make an Exalted of the Shade Court, unless the Master of the Court is supposed to be what Harbringers of the Shade Court become.

The sacred undead should probably have a bonus to MR, and enc 0, like most ethereal/ghostly undead. Also you made a typo/error with their spell; the actual fatiguecost is 12 (0 gems), but the note says that it's 12 gems. You got it right everywhere else though.

The Shiln troops are very cost effective. The Outrangers, less so. I think this was another error, but they're duelwielding a light lance and a falchion. The penalty from duelwielding a light lance and falchion without Ambidextrous is bringing them to 6 attack.

Not sure why the Outrider Chief has Heretic; that's for units that are actively working against your authority, not for those that just don't care.


And that's everything that jumped out at me. Maybe I'll find more after a slower perusal.

For what it's worth, I really like this nation; the idea (horror nation) isn't unique, but the execution certainly is. The lore is interesting, the nation is, at least, more balanced than pre-patch Nazca, the sprites are okay, and it's not even finished yet.

>>128584472
It feels like I played with that guy. Several times. Under different aliases.

Goddammit, that's a lot of salt.

What is the unit of gold you use to pay for things in Dominions?
When you don't have enough currency to build a fort but try anyways, it says "pounds of gold", but that seems excessive; even the most basic of militia would cost 7 pounds of gold to arm, train, and hire.
What's more, events refer to it as pieces, coins, bags. etc.

What takes precedence?

>>128589670
Most of the money is in life insurance

What games are currently recruiting?

>>128590112
I'd like to know that too

>>128590945
>>128590112
I don't think any, want me to start a "Serriously no skeletons"?

>>128591246
That'd be nice

>>128591484
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Seriously_No_Skeletons
No nations with death magic allowed.

>>128588302
Yeah, I didn't want the hawks to be very great chaff. I intended them to be a patrol-aid for the most part.

I didn't forget to make an Exalted, it's just that the Shade Court is weaker than the Dream Sanctum in magical power, so simply doesn't have Exalted-tier guys. The Master, with his name, sort of implies that they are the T3 Court and they kind of are - but they're also a mix, which is just the DS creeping in again.
I should probably rename the Shade Court guys, honestly.

>Sacred Undead
I'm worried about boosting their MR too much, honestly. Nice catch on the enc 0, and yeah the gem cost was me forgetting to re-add the 0 after I was done testing it.

>Shiln
Yeah, they are effective. If they're too effective I could easily bump the price or so. They're 'rebranded' fir bolgs, one of my fav units

>Outrangers
I completely forgot about that ambidextrous thing, whoops. Now I'm wondering if I should just change em to lances or give them some ambidextrous or what.

>Heretic Chief
He just hates/is-annoyed-with the city people so much he constantly grumbles about them, which makes people wonder if the city-goers aren't so great/brave/amazing after all. Really, I just thought mild animosity generation would be funny. I think with the way Heretic works, 1 doesn't do terribly much but I could be bad.

>For what it's worth
It's worth a lot, seriously. Thanks.

>>128592461
What faggotry is this? I'm going fast Astral Corruption then, just you wait.

>>128592635
>>128592635
You could just not join the small 6 player game if a lack of skeletons offends you.

>>128592818
My first time doing this, how exactly do I claim a spot

>>128593265
>not reading the OP
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551

>>128593265
Send an email to [email protected] with the subject field beingthe game name, in this case "Seriously_No_Skeletons" without quotes. Attach the .2h file from the "newpretenders" save folder of the pretender you want to use, and it's done.

>>128594226
I am, but do I just say what faction I want here or is there a place in the 50th demension

What is the generally-'best' temp scale to have as a national preference for point-gain and strategic benefit?
Like cold 2 you can flip it to cold 3 and be fine most of the time, so it's like 40 "free points"
Is cold 1 as solid for pushing it to 3? Are the heat scales similar?

I think cold is slightly more valued for strategic mobility, arent they?

>>128594354
You just reply to that post with "[nation name] here, joining." or "Signing up as [nation name]", or anything like that.

>>128594354
Just say it here. Quote >>128592461 and say what nation you're joining as.

Some games the admin will want you to post on our steam group, but they'll generally say that and post a link to the game thread.

>>128570010
>how do I skelly spam
D2+ mage scripted to Horde of Skeletons x5. Or pick a nation that can reanimate.

>what is the best build for skelly spam?
You mean nation.
Off the top of my head, C'tis (any age), MA Ermor, Sceleria, Jotunheim, Asphodel, EA/LA Xibalba, EA Machaka, LA Agartha and Lanka. Some of them can reanimate outside of battle, some can spam Horde of Skeletons, some ca do both.

Hey admin, are you here? This weekend I'll be traveling to attend my gramps' birthday , and I cannot guarantee I can take my turns. An extension for the whole weekend would be much appreciated.

>>128592461
Joining as Vanarus

>>128594390
>I think cold is slightly more valued for strategic mobility, arent they?
I think that's because most maps have more rivers than mountain passes.

It'll also depend a bit on your nation, since amphibians can go through rivers and mountain survival allows you to go through mountain passes.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7AI19pZwWqBM0UzSkJ4T1lzUVk&usp=sharing
.112 is out now. Next step: Nation modding (with maybe a short detour to make some sites interesting)

>>128570894
That's not really in my sights right now. It's also likely to be entirely compatible, so while I'll leave space for bundling them together, I probably won't directly integrate it, at least not in the foreseeable future. There's no real need to, just as there isn't a real need to integrate worthy heroes.

>>128595362
>No nations with death magic allowed.
>Vanarus

>>128595741
When I looked at em they have two units with death, can't I just ignore it or should I just pick another faction

>>128596056
what part of no nations with death magic did you not understand

>>128596056
It's their cap only mage and their only non-cap non-forest mage. That's not slightly.

>>128595615
If it's going to be extended to cover national PD, compatibility might get a lot harder. Not that it's something that should be done by 1.0 or anything, and there's plenty to do before then.

>>128596719
Not really. It's only an issue if I also fuck with national PD.

>>128596389
then remove me from the roster so I can re-pick
>>128596565
Don't know too much about the factions asides from ermor, nowI see why the other guy is being anal about it

>>128596056
>>128596827
In MA:
Arco
Man
Marignon
Pythium
Ulm
Eriu
T'ien Ch'i
Abysia
Pangaea
Atlantis
and Oceania
are totally without death magic
if the admin is lenient
Bandar Log
Mictlan
and Pelagia
might be allowed

also I'm not the admin

>>128596827
Admin here, remove from the list, and don't worry about the misunderstanding.

>>128597061
Pelagia has death magic? On what?

>>128597262
sent a new one in

>>128598282
they can summon Daktyl which have a 1/5 chance at D1

>>128598282
Daktyl summons.
Mictlan and Bandar Log were only honorable mentions for a similar reason; Mictlan has a 10% chance of Death magic on a rec-anywhere, plus summons with Death magic. Bandar Log has no chance of Death magic, but has summons with Death magic too.

>>128584472
>http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2750&st=45
Would I be banned if I made a new account just to laugh at him? Would that be in poor taste, you think?

It's just... he put so much effort into those posts. Like, literally hundreds of words explaining why he's not having a meltdown, honest.

>>128598282
Yeah I'm going to be fine with that sort of stuff.

>>128599127
>would I be banned
Who cares?
It would be in poor taste but do it anyway.

>>128599127
Do it you Nancy

>>128599127
It'd be in poor taste, yes. Plenty of room to talk shit here.

That said, if you don't have an account there, I'd suggest you make one simply because it's a different sort of playstyle than you get here, and that can be nice sometimes.

>>128592461
May want to look at the game page you already got a skeleton in that thar' closet. Ermor joined

>>128599494
Check again, already booted Ermor.

>>128599552
Are the fringe cases like Pelagia/Bandar Log/Mictlan really banned?

>>128600364
yes and if you want to bitch about it go ahead I dont give a shit

>>128600364
No they're not, I just said.
>>128600438
Fuck you imposter.

>>128599461
How's the meta over there?

>>128600438
>>128600609
Please don't make the real admin use a trip. That's just obnoxious and we don't need that shit.

>>128600609
Fuck you imposter I said it was a "Seriously No Skeletons" game and I damn well meant it.

>>128600858
I'm probably going to have to if >>128600928 keeps up his shit.

I WANNA PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY1111!!!11

>>128600709
They don't really obsess over a "meta" like they do here (even though there isn't much of one here either). They're more likely to make peace if a war seems to be going nowhere for either player, though. More strong players there than there are here, but it's not a categorical rule. And they go in for testing and careful play more frequently.

>>128595353
I was not here when this was posted. but I am now.

>>128601407
>And they go in for testing and careful play more frequently.
That's true literally everywhere among players that are trying to win. Players that are very experienced no longer need to (I haven't tested anything in a while now) but if a new nation comes out, you can be damn sure I'll be testing it when I actually play it. I've only ever seen the 'testers' meme here and I'm reasonably confident that it's one or two retards rather than a trend.

Poking around in the mod inspector just now, I discovered the [prophetshape] property that, I'm guessing here since I haven't had a chance to check it out in-game, upgrades a unit when you make it your prophet. That sounds like a really cool idea! The upgrades seem to range from palette-swaps (I caught a shiny Lizard King!) to minor statistical bumps, so it's not some huge deal, but it's definitely something I'd like to see on more units.

Unfortunately, it's only on 17 units, mostly Abysia C'tis, Caelum, and Arcoscephale. I don't really have a point, I guess, but I wanted to point out something that I'd never heard referenced before and people might be interested to know about.

Definitely something I'd like to see expanded in mods or something, but that's a topic I don't really know much about.

>>128592461
>ohlmann worthy heroes
Did he fuck up anything? last I heard he fucked with Therodos' heroes a day after their launch
I might join but I gotta know what I'm getting into with 5.4.

>>128601997
>Did he fuck up anything?
>Ohlmann

>>128601992
It's very easy to add prophetshape to things, considering it's actually a mod command and one that adds a feature rather than removing it:
#prophetshape >new unit<

It is interesting to see it, yeah.

>>128601992
Did you know that if you press "y" when you selected a province, you can control formations and orders of units that will move there?

>>128602219
I should read the fucking manual, huh?

Thanks for pointing that out, though. Holy shit.

>>128601997
5.4 is fine. 5.5 is the one that nerfed them. The Therodos heroes did trigger him, but that had more to do with the fact that they were far stronger than existing heroes and effectively raised the standard for what heroes could bring by a large margin by being so powerful.

>>128602289
Did you know that you can set up repeating orders for your mages? You can press "O" for a monthly crafting ritual or "M" for a monthly spell.

>>128602219
>>128602442
>Did you know
We should add something like this to the wiki.

>>128602289
Did you know that you can select all commanders of one type or all commanders that share the same magic paths?

>>128602630
Did you know that Dryad mother gets bonus vineogres?

>>128601761
I'll do it after Abysia does his turn by the way.

>>128602801
No

The unit that can produce the most bonus vine ogres is the Dying Treelord, which has Ivy Lord 4. You can find this and other information by using the inspector at http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/

>>128601997
Well, 5.5 starts nerfing heros, and 5.4 has been used here a fair bit, so I went with 5.4

>>128601761
>>128602950
Thank you admin.

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>>128592467
>I completely forgot about that ambidextrous thing, whoops. Now I'm wondering if I should just change em to lances or give them some ambidextrous or what.
>or give them ambidextrous
I know they're elves, but that seems a bit much.

>>128607087
Yeah I didn't think it fit either, it's just a lance now.

Amazing art, though.

>>128607087
give them regular lances so that they get only that charge attack with them and then they can use the falchions as their regular weapon the way that heavy cavalry does.

>>128607283
>>128607338
Oh, you already did. Well, that's how most cavalry work anyways.

>Oceania lost their recruit-anywhere white centaurs
Did the patch improve them in other ways at least?
Their units are still amphibious at the cost of being worse than Pan's units, their weapons are now inferior to normal weapons, and the new mage-priest is worse at magic than Capricorns, less efficient at research than Aphroi Hierophants, and aquatic to boot. It seems that Pelagia and Atlantis got a lore overhaul and a general buff, but all Oceania got was weaker.

>>128609197
They now only have paths changes with landshape, not overall losses.

>>128609459
The +E in exchange for -W for Capricorns, and the +A in exchange for -W for Sirens? They already had that.

>>128609602
Didn't they used to be priced as though they had additional paths?

>>128609803
They might've, but I don't remember their "old" price.

>>128609602
Didn't they also have -1W on the not-mermages for no gain? Or am I getting confused.

>>128609948
That's Pelagia you're thinking about.

Are we Abbott and Costello now

>>128610089
Huh, I thought Oceania had one that did that as well. Oh and did they use to get bonus scales in sea provinces but minus on land? (Order in sea, turmoil in coastal land)

>>128610254
pelagia's on first

>>128610261
They just get Turmoil on the coast now, I think.

why are slings like blue shells?

they're bad if you're ahead

>>128611089
i dont get it

>>128612824
Not him but bludgeoning does 2x damage on head hits

>>128595615
I created a list of nations that either severely overperformed or severely underperformed in each age. I then compiled pretty much all the rebalancing ideas and other proposed changes for those nations, and dumped them into a googledoc to spur discussion. MA has been reviewed pretty extensively (and the ones in size 11-12 font are the changes in which I'm most interested for MA at this point), but nobody has taken a look through EA or LA yet to provide feedback
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-0lPGb5Kwf9uPX0MQAm5WG2dU6tg7RpmNL7osenOce4/edit?usp=sharing

>>128617081
No, fuck your stupid shit.
It lists fucking LA Ulm as an underperforming nation because of fucking winrates.

>>128617081
>lel buff everything due to wins

>>128618214
should it base strength off feels then or what

>>128617081
Looking at win ratio or using it as an argument for anything is one of the most idiotic things you can do in Dominions.

I really wish you people would fuck off with your list.

>>128618214
I also specifically say on that page I probably wont change it because people are convinced it is OP whether or not it does well in games. since I'd like my mod to have an audience, I'm not going to buff things that nobody but me thinks is unncessary
>>128618282
What? Its only those nations with 1 or fewer wins that are being targeted.
>>128618356
You don't have to use it.

>>128599127
Jesus fuck AN is a massive faggot

>>128604127
I'm ready for the match and I think, we're filled up
so we get an email when it starts right?

>>128592461
Ah good we got 6 now and the admin turned off autostart so that asshole Ermor player can't sneak in.

>>128618342
No, but using win ratio is retarded because a lot of shit can depend upon diplomacy and maps, which you can't easily quantify.

>>128617081
Update this with SA's community's games.

>>128618342
I don't have to be a fucking genius at this game to know that LA Ulm isn't as trash as EA R'lyeh.

>>128557582
I might be wrong, but isn't the default for most PD 1 unit per point, with up to 3 pop types?

For example if the PD is militia, archers, heavy infantry, the default should be 1 militia, 1 archer and 1 hvy inf per PD point.

This just doubles that.

60 means 6 units per PD point, not 60 units. I don't know if thats OP for stuff like trogs though.

>>128557913
That means 12 units per PD point, not 120.

>>128570005
oh yea definately, i've done it for LA C'tis so that their PD is now city guard/heavy infantry/falchioneers. I just did it mostly for indies because most provinces aren't going to have forts.

>>128629501
Also an example, a PD value of 10 gives you 1 commander + 20/20/20 units for most PD now, and costs 55 gold. They are still super easy to route though, since they appear to be hardcoded into 3 different squads of 20 units each.

>>128629501
>That means 12 units per PD point, not 120.
Yeah but you normally only get like 1 caveman per 3 points.

Which I agree is complete bullshit, but the increases suggested by that guy are over the top across the board IMO.

>>128630080
1 caveman per 3 points, really? that's weird, so if you buy 1 PD, how many cavemen do you get?

Looking at the inspector, cavemen are 23 hp, have no armor and use clubs. How many cavemen do you think would be reasonable compared to a typical armored PD force?

>>128630321
>if you buy 1 PD, how many cavemen do you get?
The first point of PD always gives you a unit. It's only from point 2 that the math starts happening.

>>128630424
so 2 PD still gives you only one caveman total?

>>128630572
Yep.

>>128630572
Yes.

IIRC if you want 2 cavemen, you need 4 PD, then the next at 7, etc.

A couple of other poptypes work that way as well, like Troglodytes and those indie Abyssians.

>>128630717
is there any way to find out what the default values are?

>>128630717
Many poptypes work that way at high values, for an additional unit type, but that's in addition to the basic ones.

>>128620653
No, that is artistry - crafting with vaginal sand as other masters would with oils and watercolours.

And it keeps getting better!

>>128629501
>6 units per PD point
Yes, but that's a lot, even if they're not particularly strong.

10 PD would end up giving 60 units for 55 gold. That's enough troops to shut down most raiding forces, and it adds a big advantage to an earlygame clash.

>I might be wrong, but isn't the default for most PD 1 unit per point, with up to 3 pop types?
>For example if the PD is militia, archers, heavy infantry, the default should be 1 militia, 1 archer and 1 hvy inf per PD point.
Most population types give 2 units per point (until 20PD). After that they usually add one more unit per point.

>>128630321
>How many cavemen do you think would be reasonable compared to a typical armored PD force?
I think 1 per point (at least from 0-20, I think most PD gets more units per point after that) would fit with current PD numbers.

>>128631550
what kind of raiding force are we talking about here? i'm seeing the AI rout 60 units worth of PD pretty easily with 30 units of mostly freespawn undead chaff.

>>128631708
Undead are a special case because of unlimited morale, so low-morale indies will almost always break before them.

It also depends on the matchup. For example Troggies aren't that great for their price, but they can still fuck up human infantry because they all have trample. Cavemen are shit units in general, but against certain other high-value opponents they can do loads of damage because of their retard strength. Abyssian indies are also overpriced as fuck, but high armor and fire aura means they can fuck up many types of chaff pretty hard.

It's not like heavy cav who can be a problem to almost all expansion parties or non-thug raiding parties, but against the right type of unit they can still be much more effective than their stats suggest.

>>128631708
Caelum with a Sastar and some Spire Horn Warriors. (let's say 40, as many as he can carry)

Depending what the PD units are, 60 units could end up beating them for around a tenth the cost. (475 for sastar+warriors, 55 for 10PD)

Even if 60 units can't beat him I'm confident 120 units (20 PD) will, which still only costs around half the price of the raiding party. (475g for raiders, 210g for 20PD)

>30 units of mostly freespawn undead chaff.
Undead fight harder than they should in small conflicts because they ignore morale checks.

>>128592461

Can I just say, I really love this concept? It changes the meta a lot. Personally I don't give a fuck about skeletons, they're annoying, but so is caelum and easily-diplo'd players. But no D magic aka banning a bunch of nations really changes the meta afterwards.

Can we take D on our pretenders?

>>128592461
>>128632540

>go to join
>game is full

Only 6 nations? Ehhhh.

>>128632073
>>128632454
i thought the deal with freespawn undead was that they were supposed to be really weak though? Looking at the stats though, spectral legionnaires are ethereal which basically gives them 4x their listed HP on average vs non-magical attacks (which is basically most units), and that comes out to be way sturdier than the typical soldier.

I think most flying units are massively overpriced purely because they can fly (which is only of help if you are raiding poorly defended provinces). Flying in combat isn't very useful when combat logic is "hurr i will charge into the chaff instead of the undefended mages in the rear".

>>128592461
why not just ban the use of skeletons. skeletons arent even a problem except for free/re-animated ones and horde of skeletons which is OP as fuck for a level 5 spell castable by any D2 mage.

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>>128592461
>Seriously_No_Skeletons
>Ermor

>>128632876
>I think most flying units are massively overpriced purely because they can fly
Regardless, a raiding party of 40 units is pretty expensive. It shouldn't be countered by 55 gold of PD.

Making PD that cheap makes it very difficult to capture enemy provinces with anything less than an army or well-geared thug.

>>128571742

You're dumb.

If a mage is wearing a booster it's to cast a spell that it needs boosting to cast. Those spells cost like 5000000 fatigue anyway, so it doesn't matter, but now, your army has fucking fog warriors, so it does matter.

>>128571265
>>128571868

You're dumb.

Anything a maliqui can do, an inca or coya can do, for a lot cheaper. Anything earth or death related a Hurin priest can do for non cap turn cheaper. Pretty much the only thing a maliqui should be doing in battle is Rain of Stones. And even then.. it's a toss up between that and a e1a1 hurin priest wearing boots. Sure, the hurin is slower, less survivable, needs armouring and buffing, but so much cheaper.

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Guess the game by image. Protip: Seal was broken this turn too.

>>128634859
AY probably?

>tfw I was killed early on

>>128632876

If you know what you're doing with magic, you can cockblock infinite goasts.

Lemuria and Ermor and Aspho are supposed to be balanced around less magic. All freespawn undead and reanimation nations are a bit OP at the moment, though.

>>128634716
That's true, although personally i would deal with that by adjusting the price of flying units. If we make PD super weak, then nobody is going to buy more than 1 point because why bother?

Right now if one of your provinces gets attacked, it basically gets taken over for free because PD can't stop it, you can't put armies everywhere, and a really small shitty army can keep running all over your land taking multiple provinces and stalling you for ages.

There is little to no risk involved because if you attack an enemy army in province A, you will never catch him unless he stays there (which he wont when he is raiding) since their army moves either at or before yours and he will just move to another province.

This is excluding magic phase movement obviously, which requires a spellcasting thug or SC generally.

I will see if i can mspaint a picture to illustrate my point.

>>128634982
>less magic

Uh...how? Those nations have decent magic.

>>128634924
Right on the money! Crazy game. Who said that Pelagia is weak? Tell him that he is a faggot.

>>128635665

That's part of the problem. And Ermor/Lem generally do have less rp than non-doomed nations.

Overall magic got weaker in dom4, and popkill/freespawn nations have relatively stronger magic than in dom3, so. That's why they often win and often get dogpiled.

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>>128635576
Okay here's an example.

If i move to attack the lemuria army, they can simply move to attack my undefended province on the left. Netgain - 0. Or they could move to attack Pythium's province, or retreat into one of 4 friendly provinces. I can't catch them because all army movement happens at the same time and i don't have access to cloud trapeze or whatever.

Let's say i anticipate that they attack my undefended province on the left, so i move there. The AI seems to cheat because they will always know which province you are going to move into, but let's assume they don't and it's a flat 50% chance whether they attack it or choose a different target. If i guess wrong, then i have wasted a turn and my army does nothing.

>>128636240

1. You don't play against the AI, because you can't read the moves of a mindless piece of shit that cheats and attacks in every direction without purpose or cause.

2. You retake behind this 'randomly moving' army and lay defensive movement traps until eventually it falls into one and dies.

3. Meanwhile, you take THEIR lands with smaller forces and lay siege to their forts, forcing them to come and attack you (and while besieging, you get the first turn).

This is kinda dominions 101. Armysplitting, laying siege to force a battle, retaking, etc. The actual strategy of the game starts after you understand these concepts.

>>128636162
>magic got weaker

How? A 150 gold mage can easily kill 300+ gold worth of troops every battle with no gems or equip, whereas a non-SC melee commander is going to die in one or two spells from a mage even with 50+ gear worth of equip.

>>128636351
So let's say this is a MP game.

Lemuria may or may not attack your provinces this turn. What do you do?

>>128636240
>If i guess wrong, then i have wasted a turn and my army does nothing.
But if you guess right they lose a bunch of troops.

It doesn't matter if you guess wrong once or twice, since they lose a lot more than you when you guess right.

>>128636443

Fighting Lemuria is pretty different to fighting most nations.

1. Consider whether I just want to hold a front at that farmland province because Lemuria lacks raiders and invading them is often a waste of time and my lands are a weird fucking shape that I need to fix before someone rapes me across my long, thin border. So I could just go kill Pyth, and leave some mages and units in that farmland to hold off Lem.

2. If I am invading Lem, leave that army parked/retreat it to the fort, and start forging supply items. Sohei are a useless unit to fight Lem with, because their swords aren't magic and they are expensive - too expensive to use as blockers. The exception to this is f9 or d9 or n9 sohei, but sohei are usually always w9.

3. Check my research. If where i'm at in research will determine if i'm solar brilliancing, star firesing, cleansing watersing, (or my personal favourite) Flaming Arrowsing Lem's goasthordes to death. Start to build the kind of troops, and move up the mage randoms, that will be useful against Lem. h1 priests help, but producing them en-masse on the spur of the moment is not pointful. Maybe make a few of those cheap mm1 h2 guys I get at that closest fort. Obviously don't fight Lem at all unless I have antimagic up. Suicide some scouts into his army/wait for him to hit PD to see what mages he's got in there with what gems. I'm a human nation and will need to spam mages to fight him, so Wind of Death or Rigor or RoS would suck, and I might need to change my research portfolio to deal with those kinds of tactics.

Etc. At no point am I worried about OH NO MAH PROVINCES - you know what retakes from the amount of PD ghosts can afford? 3 samurai and an indie commander. I'm worried about killing off the ghosts, because a 'regular army' won't cut it. Get it, won't cut it, because they are ghosts, you can't cut them.

>>128637482

(cont)

If Lem wants to waste a big army just slowly marching through my lands, sure. I'll retake behind them, and eventually kill them with a big pile of research mages and reinforcements. In the meantime, i'm able to advance into them (at least once I have supply and the right research).

This is something new players tend to complain about a lot. It's because they want to 'hold a firm line' because they are playing against AI. In actual MP, you don't care if you lose a province and then retake it the next turn. You care if your army gets smashed and your lands are now wide open to mass conquering.

ded

Tartarians to the left of me, Tartarians to the right, here I am, in the middle with Life for a Life and Send to Inferno.

still ded

>>128643564

just let it die

LET IT GOOOO
LET IT GOOOO

>>128634859
Hmm, I wonder if this means Pelagia will actually have more gem income than me for once?

Not that it matters, incoming dispel in 5 . . 4 . . 3 . . 2 . . 1

>>128643747
Astral nexus alone guarantees that

>>128643807

Not if people stop expenditures. Which is what you do when AN goes up, unless the nation that put it up is fucked enough that you don't care.

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So this game is 30 yuros? Is there anyone in this thread who has actually bought it?

>>128644264
Literally everyone here bought it on sale for 75% off.

>>128644323
I preordered it at 30% off.

>>128644264
Bought it during a sale.