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New Dangan Ronpa V3 is scheduled to be released in 2016 on PSVita and PS4.
Dangan Ronpa 3 will be a new anime scheduled for release in 2016.
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Last night I dreamed my waifu had done awful things in the name of despair. I was not her ally so she would probably have killed me too except that I was saved by Peko of all people. Peko had her sword and tried to kill my waifu, except I still loved her and couldn't let her die so I took the sword thrust in her place. It hurt and I felt like Peko was calling me a traitor with her eyes, yet knowing my death had saved her made me so happy. So I died and woke up but the happiness drained immediately and was replaced with sudden anxiety. It was the feeling of waking up from a nightmare, except I had awoken into one instead.
Posting first with best boy
and his bitches
Is it bad that I ship Raiden off with Celeste in my fucked up non canon world?
He looks like he'd be the perfect butler
A bit but only because he doesn't have the vampire thing going. I always cross-shipped Celeste with Gundam because not only would their chuuni play off each others and he could pull off the vampire look, but also because he seems like he would be a fit butler and vet for her cat. Her cat and his hamsters together in general would be fantastic.
True you have a point. Gundham would work pretty well on serving Celeste if he wasn't already serving Sonia
We need more butlers for Celeste
I could see it now on Makoto's resume
>fucked the girl who fucked ovet the rest of the world with her manipulation as the Ultimate Fashionesta/Analyst
>fucked the girl who probably sent away a lot of murderers through deduction as the Ultimate Detective
>fucked the girl who's the sister of the mastermind and also probably killed a lot of people in the jungle as the Ultimate Soldier
>fucked the girl who everyone and their mothers and grandmothers wanted to getake inside her pants as the Ultimate Pop Sensation
And people are saying Makoto shouldn't die in DR3?
Not if you imagine Toko falling in love with Sonia for similar reasons as she fell for Togami, and Sonia accepting her simply out of fascination for Genocider. But then Genocider has zero interest in Sonia, but Sonia has a shota brother who Genocider goes after constantly.
Headcanon. What a wonderful thing.
Be still, my stirring manhood!
>Reserve Zero escape 3 especial edition in Gamestop
>Gamestop is leaving the island in march
i have no luck i really wanted the clock
>best girls fighting over best boy
God, Ibuki love-struck is more adorable than usual.
Best girl looking fabulous as usual. Too bad it's because she crushing on Togami
which means she only digged Twogami in DR2 only because he was basically ripping out Togami's entire character and identity.
Cuz she's a slut. Worst girl at her finest
Stay salty Ibukifags
>making shit up
>actually played the game
You wot m8. I didn't make anything up. I just played the game and what we saw of Ibuki's interactions with Twogami proved everything
Accept it Ibukifag. Your waifu slut digs rich assholes with a dominant personality
The last part of Dangan Ronpa Togami, the first novel in the series has been summarized.
It's a doozy.
Togami now has a confirmed canon sister. Souda and Sonia make more appearances and we see the appearance of the Ultimate Hitman that Peko was so wary about.
“I’m Despair High School Level Princess, Sonia Nevermind!”
“I’m Despair High School Level Mechanic, Souda Kazuichi!”
“I’m Despair High School Level Brother Complex, Kagami Sana!”
“I’m Despair High School Level Dual Personality, Kagami Naomi!”
Pretty high if anything. It doesn't really contradict anything in the games besides that Twogami bit with him appearing in his pre despair self already impersonating Togami.
...and even with that you could easily just speculate that he was already working on impersonating Togami during his time at the school for whatever reason
Alright so the Despairs we've seen so far are similar to Junko in personality (with the exception of Izuru) and by that I mean they cycling through the various personalities like sarcastic, really hyper and obscene. I wonder if they're all that way when in despair mode?
>make a book finally featuring the despair students
>make 3 of them the primary antagonists of the book
>still no pictures
That's a shame. Bet Ibuki would suck really well.
From what I'm gathering this is still pretty early on in the timeline. Hope's Peak is still standing, Junko is still buddy buddy with DR1 cast, etc. So I doubt they actually look that much different.
Idk. They did say something about the school going through some crisis or at least that's what Toko and Junko said so I'd like to believe this takes place at the very beginning of the 78th class' second year at Hope's Peak, which is where the world would start going to shit around that time
The crisis is just the backlash to Imposter's declaration. It's certainly close to the worst event yadda yadda, but I doubt the despairs were marking themselves up for Junko while still attending class.
So maybe it was during their transition to the second year because the Despair kids are already showing big signs of Junko influence already. But now they're taking action hence Twogami's declaration of world conquest and Sonia using her army to off the Togami conglomerate.
Atleast to me that's where I believe it would place on the timeline
I could see Akane like that. Same with Hiyoko, Teruteru, Ibuki, Mahiru, Gundham, Nekomaru, etc. Peko and Fuyuhiko I'd have some trouble seeing like that.
We've seen Mikan already act like that and Despair Nagito and Pre Despair Nagito act virtually the same so he doesn't count as much.
And Izuru has already been the discussed as the sole exception to the whole thing. That's why he's Junko's second in command
Shit taste aside, I'm sure he'd have no problem with this novel being canon. Not only does it show us some of the beginning acts of despair the DR2 cast unleash but it doesn't really contradict the games at all
Imagine being in a room with a couple of these fuckers and trying to hold a conversation while they're all jumping through their split personalities and trying not to off each other.
I'd prefer not to anon
The difference is Kodaka said DRK IS canon, but DRT is something Spike approved of, but Kodaka hasn't, so even if everyone loves jackin' off to it, if he says it's not canon, everyone has to hold that shit.
How is DRK important at all in the grand scheme of things for the overall plot of DR?
It just tells the time of Kyoko before she went to Hope's Peak and her early career as a detective. You could literally remove DRK from the series and things would more or less be the same.
It does matter if it contradicts the story or not since it wouldn't really be canon anymore especially since it's a secondary source of content
And written by Kodaka? You could say the same about DRK since that wasn't written by Kodaka either
>plus DRT does contradict something. See Twogami's portrayal of Togami
See this >>128260389
But you can't easily speculate that. He literally steals the clothes from Togami at the start of DRT. Why would he need to do that if he's already got the clothing he's wearing in DR2?
Yeah. But my point is DRK isn't as important as you make it seem and it really is as canon as DRT
Hell I bet Kodaka won't even mention either of them in DR3. After all, he only told people to replay DR1, DR2 and DRAE to really understand DR3.
>It does matter if it contradicts the story or not since it wouldn't really be canon anymore especially since it's a secondary source of content
literally doesn't matter at all. Either it's canon or it's not. What determines if it's canon is if it is written by Kodaka. If it contradicts the video games and it's written by Kodaka, it's a plot hole, not non-canon.
>And written by Kodaka? You could say the same about DRK since that wasn't written by Kodaka either
Then DRK is non-canon.
For what? The Ibuki lewd, or the link?
I wish I had more lewds from the artist who did the Ibuki pic.
And I hope Biwa, the guy who made the doujin in the link, does a Sonia doujin sometime. Dunno how recent the KomaruxMakoto one is.
I wasn't the guy you were talking to and I haven't read DRK. I just think it's silly to say "remove X and Y is just the same". Tons of properties have canon sources outside of the original medium. Hell if you wanted to take your argument to its natural conclusion you could say erasing SDR2 doesn't really have an effect on DR1 because DR1 is its own independent story.
DRK is canon because both the PSP version of SDR2 and DR:AE mention it and tell the player to find out more about it, to read DRK. That means shit in DRK IS canon. If DR3 or DRV3 has shit telling you to read DRT like the other two games had for DRK, then it'll be canon, but I'm doubtful.
>But you can't easily speculate that. He literally steals the clothes from Togami at the start of DRT. Why would he need to do that if he's already got the clothing he's wearing in DR2?
Except you act like he wasn't already practicing or working on impersonating Togami before he tried to enact the real deal? He could literally just be a fanboy for whatever reason and instead of practicing and using man made fakes of Togami, he goes and takes the real things from Togami?
It's not absurd especially since we know nothing about the Imposter anyway so I still fail to see how DRT contradicts that at all
I think you're making bigger leaps than I am. DRT even goes on about how effortlessly perfect the SHSL. The SHSL Hitman was in the place of the hit before he knew who the hit was. I would seriously doubt the SHSL Imposter needs to train for a year just to mimic one man.
Except they never said that. Proof? This is the first I heard of this and I played both games and neither mentioned DRK at all.
And even subtle references to it doesnt make it 100% canon anyway
Or if Kodaka himself gave the OK. Or inspired ideas about the novels and was too busy with his own shit with the main games to write out these ideas so he gets someone else to write them out for him
In that case, then you could see it as secondary canon at best
It's self-evidently retarded. In SDR2 he was in the same state of mind as his first day at Hope's Peak. So you're saying he went an entire year at Hope's Peak with Byakuya attending the same school while still pretending to be Byakuya?
>except we don't know how the Imposter works his talent
>look how useless Hagakure's talent is
It's not really big leaps of faith. You're just assuming everyone's talent is going to work the same way or would be done in the same fashion.
So is IF canon? It wasn't written by Kodaka, but the fact it's in the vidya might imply it has his tacit OK
>It's self-evidently retarded. In SDR2 he was in the same state of mind as his first day at Hope's Peak. So you're saying he went an entire year at Hope's Peak with Byakuya attending the same school while still pretending to be Byakuya?
Because we totally got the full scoop on Twogami right? Because that's why he wasn't killed so early because of his mysterious and questionable existence......right?
Again, we could argue the Imposter is just some fanboy who looked into the Togami family history seeing how big and famous they were and saw how Togami was like. Hell he may have even met Togami prior to going to Hope's Peak.
You could literally throw in any speculation on Twogami and it wouldn't be outright shot down since we have absolutely no idea what the Imposter is. We don't even know the gender.
That's the point.
I can't find the english version of this, but it clearly says 'Read Danganronpa Kirigiri' at the bottom of the card. On top of that, you know those posters advertising DR:AE you find in SDR2 that Hajime comments? In the original PSP release, they were of DRK, and Hajime would say he would definitely read a novel like that if it were real.
Not him, but in DRT the students are confused as fuck about Togami's declaration but the teachers are whispering about SHSL Imposter. So your theory makes no sense there or the students wouldn't immediately blame Togami.
I don't mind the subject at hand. The books are great, the content of the books are discussion worthy. The problem is that discussion died so that everyone could argue what books, if any, are "canon". That's autism.
You act like Kodaka was making the story good.
So there's no actual proof on your word about the translation then. And advertisements don't count. Unless you can show me something in the plot that references or connects to DRK, I'll have to stand by my stance for the time being.
Except.... that doesn't tell us anything? Like at all. I don't know why you'd even bring that up. It doesn't contradict anything I said.
The fuck do you want, then?
HERE! HAVE SOME!
Holy shit m8, it's literally right here
The game is outright telling you to read DRK. Kodaka himself put that shit in because he feels DRK stands with own game's canon. Unless he says something similar about DRT in either DR3 or NDRV3, it's not canon, stay upset.
Didn't Kyoko mention her grandfather in DR1 anyway?
Then all it shows is that the character is canon since then and DRK could just be seen as a way to expand on his character
But even if you could see DRK as canon, it basically shafters that anon's argument about "Kodaka not writing the novels = not canon "
So it could go either way desu
This will keep me occupied while you nerds decide what falls into your A, B and C grade tiers of canon as transcribed by the lord himself Kohacka. Thank you, anon.
Do let me know when you ladies are done figuring your shit out. Thanks.
You're dumb as hell because all that could be seen as getting more extension on a character talked about since the first game soooo
DRK is as canon as DRT
But continue with the lack of reading comprehension
this is getting embarrassing for you. The game is outright telling you to read DRK for more info about a character in the game. Do you want Kodaka to personally e-mail you about whether it's canon?
K bye. Don't know why you think anyone would give a shit
>Game literally tells you to read a novel to get more information concerning it's canon.
>The only other instance of this ever in the whole series is in DR2 when you're told to read DR0, something that is very clearly canon.
DRK is canon, DRT isn't yet. Would you really be that upset if DRT was never confirmed canon at all?
>tfw people ignore the links I posted
GUYS? WHY ARE YOU STILL DISCUSSING WHAT IS CANON AND WHAT ISN'T WHEN I POSTED THIS DELICIOUS
This guy gets it.
>You should read Danganronpa Kirigiri to know more
>about Kyoko's grandfather
Again, reading comprehension isn't your friend. They're telling you to read more on DRK to learn about her grandpa if you care as much. Still as canon as DRT
Both are backstory content that could be seen as canon. Simple.
>They're telling you to read more on DRK to learn about her grandpa if you care as much.
which makes it canon. Otherwise reading more about him in that material would be useless. You seem to have confused the important thing here. The issue isn't that he exists but that the game is telling the player you can be more informed about this character with DRK
Because you and the other anon say DRK is 100% canon it means.... what? It just means you guys have no reading comprehension
DRK is as canon as DRT. Until you give me actual evidence to show otherwise that isn't some advertising scheme, then I'll listen. Till then, stay salty
>says the retard
>Naruto literally introduced a character from an anime non filler as canon in the manga
>Doesn't mean his backstory is going to play out the same exact way
They're telling you that the character exists. And to go read more if you want to know about him in DRK. So if DR3 goes off and has an episode showing a flashback of Kyoko and her grandfather and most of it contradicts DRK, would you still call it 100% canon
Funny thing is I'm not even saying DRK isn't canon. You and the other anon just aren't reading my comments clearly
this is ridiculous. It isn't telling you he exists, it's telling you that to learn more about this character you should consult this canon source. DRT doesn't have the benefit of that. If that screen didn't exist DRK wouldn't be canon. That's the difference between the two.
Cannot believe you guys are still arguing this. Nobody cares about canon or not. Shut the fuck about it you morons. It's all just content either way
But amidst all this arguing about what is canon and what isn't, is me posting all that porn really worth it?
I might be the hero /drg/ needs, but am I the one you guys really deserve?
I mean, only two Anons so far replied to my posts about the porn links, so how can I be sure?
Except it really doesn't and DRT doesn't get the pleasure of advertisement like DRK got because it has literally no game released at the time of its release unlike DRK that had DRAE.
So it's an irrelevant comparison either way.
I loved how you didn't answer my previous question though
>he finally gets it
You people should know by now to not engage him
>looks at his previous comments
>never called anyone retarded
I could see that lack of reading comprehension is strong in you
>DRT doesn't get the pleasure of advertisement like DRK got because it has literally no game released at the time of its release unlike DRK that had DRAE.
Tough shit. Just because you're sad that didn't happen doesn't mean it DRT is suddenly canon. The games are treating DRK as a source of canon, thus it's canon. End of story.
I have no idea what to add to the conversation, but I still wanna post something, so have a Mikan.
Let's be real you posted porn everyone who has ever searched for DR porn has already found. I saw ge hentai and immediately lost interest
If you're going to troll, then atleast be a good one. Your arguments sink so you result to bad trolling
So you don't have any argument at all about DRK being 100% canon. Well that was obvious from the start really.
DRK = DRT in canon
Get over it and stop making a fool put of yourself
most people are retarded and dont know how to sad panda but Porn-Anon saved /drg/
ironic considering bad argument anon is known for samefagging
>The games are treating DRK as canon
Except they're not..... fail argument
I wouldn't bother. The anon doesn't listen to reason
Yeah so he basically goes off acting like some "Pekofag" is here while I'm pretty sure he is this "Pekofag" while he flames others and samefags to get people to agree with him.
Anon im now filled with an emptiness i didnt know i had thank you for showing me what ive wanted in life
>an Ibukifag who gets this riled up
Starting to see your collection of hats there /v/ shitposter-kun
>0 0 0
>T H O S E
>T R I P S
In a very dangerous place.
You are welcome, now let us suffer together.
Dio would be terrible at the mutual killing game. He'd basically do what Mukuro did except that would be what he actually wanted to do. There's 0% chance he takes shit from Monokuma.
It's canon in the sense that it's canon to its own universe. Nothing in it contradicts the main story, but nothing in it really effects the main story either. All it really exists for is to flesh out Mukuro, a character we never got to meet in the story proper. Regardless, I doubt we'll ever see it overwritten by DR3 or DRV3.
>He'd basically do what Mukuro did except that would be what he actually wanted to do.
>Assuming Mukuro went with this against her free will
Only real difference would be Dio wouldn't fail as hard
That's not my assumption. My assumption is that Mukuro is a drone who was told to act like it was an affront and to start attacking Monokuma. Dio would last about 5 seconds of Monokuma talking down to him before he'd start trying to rip Monokuma to shreds.
I just want Mikan to be happy again in DR3. Yes I'm a proud Mikanfag and I don't care what anyone says about it. I just want this girl to be happy in DR3. She suffered so much.
I don't know about that. If anything, he'd be planning to become the mastermind himself. Dio in Part 1 is all about getting money and power, so he's really more the Celeste of the cast, using his charisma to have stupider members of the cast kill each other off, then whack them in return.
>At first, they were going to write a novel about Mukuro instead, but eventually they settled down upon Kirigiri. The original idea for the novel was to just depict how Kirigiri got the burn wounds on her hands, but they wanted to expand that to the events she went through before she became SHSL. They don’t know how many volumes it’s going to be, but the ending has already been decided (what led to Kirigiri putting on gloves).
The "they" is Kodaka and Kitayama. Not sure what each of your definitions of canon is, but I did remember reading this. From a Tumblr blog, can google search if you need to. I'm not in this debate, just sharing information.
Similarly for Danganronpa Togami. From the source of the full translation for the novel (not the summaries)
>As a bonus, I checked out the author’s Twitter and he seems pretty excited, saying things like “I was born to write Dangan Ronpa Togami!” and “I can understand Togami’s feelings better than anyone else!” and so on, and assuring people that they don’t have to worry. Apparently it’s been a couple years since the initial conversation with Kodaka where the idea was first formed. Here’s hoping for some exciting developments in a couple weeks when the novel is released!!
So Kodaka was at least consulted. In the end it really doesn't matter, Kodaka decides what is canon, not you, not me, not some tumblrite.
yes lets my fellow KotokoFag
I had thought i was alone
Yeah, that's my point. All IF really exists for is to give character to Mukuro, who's dead in the main storyline.
Thanks anon, have another.
>I had thought i was alone
I felt the same way. Do you love her in a romantic way, or do you love her in a platonic way? I see her as my daughter.
But Dio in Part 1 isn't that clever. His attempted murder of Mr. Joestar was pretty dumb. Actually I wouldn't even say Celeste is that clever either. But I think Dio has a shorter fuse than Celeste and basically any DR character thus far. I have no doubt that he'd try to take over the Ultimate Despair if he lived long enough to learn about it, but I don't think he would. I can't imagine Dio grinning and bearing Monokuma's motive shit; I can barely imagine him "playing the game." He'd probably think he's above this shit, especially when he sees his opponent is a teddie bear and he's the mighty DIO
>no real sources or links
I don't understand that reasoning. Mukuro's fucked up and she has a crush on a boy. Of course she'd interpret it as "he smiled at me." She's been in a warzone since she was a little kid. Not to mention, living with Junko I imagine smiles were a scarcity.
Platonic i would say
i want to bully her and be bullied by her
>i want to bully her
You monster. You would bully her after all she's been through? I hope you're prepared to die.
it's not particularly good by my chaki standards
Whatever keeps the thread alive I guess.
The problem IF falls into is that it becomes more about the problem Mukuro digs herself into rather than her relationships with the cast outside of Junko, which admittedly is right for a character that relies on others to speak for her. There's probably more reasons for her crush than "hur dur smiles", but we don't get to see them given the brevity of the material.
But Mukuro hasn't had anybody who gave her comfort or love or sincerity. I mean even with Junko. They may have been homeless at a time. Her life was on the battlefield so she wasn't given the pleasure of kindness or anything
She's used to people being afraid of her
Makoto broke that cycle.
He was the first and only person to my knowledge who gave her a real smile. A smile of acceptance. Without any need of using her for ulterior motives. That's why she fell for him.
For Sayaka, she was only in middle school and her life was on the concerts and singing. She never really got much down time and acknowledged she did bad things to get ahead. While she did like spending time with her friends throughout the idol life, she secretly felt caged. Like she wanted to be free somehow.
Going back to the crane incident where nobody including the teachers could rescue the crane from its trap. Makoto was the one who went the extra mile to rescue and save the crane. It was this action that not only touched Sayaka but she would most likely see that crane as herself. Trapped over the bad things she did to get ahead in her career.
That's why she began liking him and wanting to find a way to talk to him somehow so she could know him better.
do we really need more reasons for a crush than that? Does a crush need any reason at all? Mukuro/Makoto isn't some starbound couple; she was a teenager crushing on a boy. If you want to go super Freud about it I guess you could bring up that it's no coincidence that she developed a crush on Junko's foil.
Also I think the best part of IF is that it explores the relationship between Mukuro and Junko. It also informs us on Junko interacting with a member of Ultimate Despair, something we don't really see that often in the series. Of course it also allows us to go inside Mukuro's head to see that while she's definitely not a good person, she's not a lost cause. I liked IF, I had no problems with it.
Also, if we go by 0, she's also got a thing about saving him from his own bad luck / the fallout of Junko's bullshit. Which makes me wonder if Makoto isn't some very specific brand of moe for girls.
To be frank I'm the opposite. I needed no reason at all for her to like Makoto. I also don't trust Mukuro when she says he was the only one that smiled at her. I think it's like when Mikan says in DR2 that Junko was the ONLY ONE who didn't treat her like trash. What you're supposed to gather is that the interaction was meaningful to that character.
You're right of course, IF's biggest strength is in it's main character and giving us a little on Junko at the same time. I just find it odd that Mukuro never really reflects on her time with the rest of the students as well, given that she was to help murder them.
I get the impression that Sayaka thought of him as a decent friend at best even during their time at Hope's Peak. This is the girl who was willing to frame him for murder after all.
We get little hints. Mukuro says that Kyoko "was always like that" when Kyoko deduces that Junko is trying to manipulate everyone into killing Mukuro and Makoto. Genocide Jack calls Mukuro the "Sullen Samurai." I'd have to read it again but I think there's more too. You get little snippets but the LN isn't really about them.
Not that anon
But my only complaint with IF is I wish they gave us more time on Mukuro's personal feelings about her plans with her sister. And about betraying her classmates. It's like she spent most of it being a drone but then had to have her feelings with Makoto on the side to keep the balance
Even at the end she still doesn't really escape Junko's shadow at all
I'd say it's less about loving Makoto and entirely about loving Junko, so much so that without her she breaks down a little. Even when she turns around, it's not "Now to get Makoto's hope dick" but rather "I need to find a way to save/fix my sister from herself."
I disagree. I think the LN gives you her personal feelings, they are just either not admirable (she doesn't care about despair or anything, she just follows orders) or way out of touch with reality (she thinks she can convince Junko to spare Makoto). Over the course of the novel she grows as a character and is able to fully understand who Junko is. That's the only time she can defeat Junko and her first steps to overcoming despair.
On the subject of novels, and to get some discussion going: Would you ever want to read a Junko focused novel
that's not 0, or is the limit of her character better that we never get inside her head?
Doesn't explain why she was so fixated on that crane incident and her admiration and also the fact she spent like most of her time trying to find a way to talk to him. Unless she's a creeper, that shows she was definitely interested in him. Then you have them hitting it off pretty well before the incentives get brought up to the point people thought of them as a couple. Then you have her asking him if he has a girlfriend
Oh and did I forget to say she couldn't shut up about that crane incident and being his assistant
She definitely digged him. Just had more care for her friends which is why she went crazy when something might have happened to him and then that's when she decided to frame Makoto. And even after she fucked up, it's implied she at least tried to save him before she died.
Overall, I don't think she looked at him as just a "decent friend "
People underrate how good a source IF is on Junko's interactions with Ultimate Despair. Mukuro, Mikan, and Nagito all show signs of being in love with Junko. The kids in AE are all obsessed with Junko. Mukuro's the only one who has the internal battle trying to overcome that brainwashing. Remember, the "bad end" of DR2 is that they revert back to a time when they were brainwashed by Junko. Makoto's gang wanted to wipe that out completely. I assume it's no easy task to overcome.
So she spends most of her time being a drone and then has her feelings for Makoto give her some new commands to her programing that say "defy Junko slightly"
IF in a nutshell basically?
If you want to simplify it, but I think it's more complicated than that. In addition to the fact we never meet the real Mukuro in the game, we never really meet pre-UD Mukuro at any point in the entire series. We don't even know if that exists. The character we meet is a seemingly a drone manipulated (broken) by Junko. Mukuro in IF takes steps to overcome that and rip the strings off. If you didn't think that's interesting, that's fine, but I did.
God, I don't even remember half of that. I agree with the idea that she wrote Leon's name to save him though, instead of it being a spiteful last stab at Leon.
>Mukuro's the only one who was trying to overcome
>IF never actually happened
>so she still died a drone
But really even in IF she only started disobeying her slightly
And you also have Nagito and Izuru who don't seem all that in love with her like the others
IF's just a what if story, never implied it's what actually happens. But she doesn't just disobey Junko slightly, she outright ruins the plan and serves Junko a worse outcome than the events of DR1. An example of her disobeying slightly is her third free time conversation.
Nagito has gone on the record to say he hates and loves Junko more than everybody. Not even going into Izuru.
Ok I might not agree I guess I could settle to just leave it at that.
I'll say this. I wish we got more insight on Junko and Mukuro's childhood. Now that would have piqued my interest for sure
Wait what did she say or do in her third free time event? I don't remember much of the details since I haven't played School Mode for awhile
But my point is he at least hates her with every fiber of his being in his own words. What kind of Junko drony would ever say a thing like that
And Izuru while being more of a mystery had that "I'll use her like she used me" thought process going in DR2 so there's that
>Wait what did she say or do in her third free time event? I don't remember much of the details since I haven't played School Mode for awhile
Just go watch it on Youtube. She says something along the lines of "this is the real me" at the start of the conversation and pretty much drops character.
>But my point is he at least hates her with every fiber of his being in his own words. What kind of Junko drony would ever say a thing like that
Well, Nagito. Nagito's batshit insane. He also says he loves her. That's pretty much what I would expect out of him, frankly.
Again not even touching on Izuru. That character bores the hell out of me.
Just because they're moving on doesn't mean I want them to make the games worse retroactively. In my opinion, anyway. It's kinda like how when people say they wish there were ways to have different paths where some characters live and some die. I like the idea but I don't like it with the DR characters. Some were meant to die, like Sayaka or Twogami. Give them more screentime and I'm afraid there's not much there. Same thing with Mukuro and Junko's childhood. All I need to know is that it wasn't very good.
But on the other hand, Nagito also loved her enough to train Monaca into a perfect clone, and clearly had weird feelings based in his messed philosophy of despair creating hope.
Anon, I think we talked in a /v/ thread about a week back regarding Mukuro and Junko, with you theorising that Junko hated Mukuro in some capacity and murdered her not for despair based reasons but instead because Mukuro could have ruined her plans, and I standing by the idea that Junko murdered her purely for the despair of it. Your mention of not knowing pre-UD Mukuro reminded me of that way that anon typed. If you're not him, disregard this (I'm aware this is a bloody long shot regardless) but if you are, hello again.
Oh. Well her saying that doesn't really show any real defiance towards Junko. It was just a nod at the fact that "Junko " wasn't really Junko. She was really Mukuro in disguise
The "real her " still obeyed Junko anyway
That's not my point though. My point is no real Junko drone would say they hate her or they wouldn't really be a drone in the first place. Nagito bring crazy doesn't matter. Him outright saying he hates Junko says something about him.
And I don't know how Izuru could really bore anyone. He barely showed up. Barely talked. I don't know how someone can like him. Or hate him. Or whatever.
To me, he's just.....there.
Yep, that was me. It's weird that we're talking about Mukuro again; she's not even my favorite character. I think she's often misunderstood though, and there's surprisingly a lot of material to draw on for her.
I didn't say Junko murdered her for non-despair based reasons, by the way. I think everything Junko does is ultimately in service to despair. I just think she isn't wholly forthcoming in her reasons for murdering Mukuro. Either way, nice to talk to you again.
I'm not quite sure what background could really justify Junko at this point. Even child abuse doesn't really help get to her mentality of ultimate despair.
But on the other hand, Nagito also loved her enough to train Monaca into a perfect clone
Yeah so he or some agent of hope could kill her off for brighter hope. Since he couldn't see Junko getting killed since she was already dead, the next best thing for his dream is to see the closest thing to Junko die. Or even better.
The one who surpasses her
>Oh. Well her saying that doesn't really show any real defiance towards Junko. It was just a nod at the fact that "Junko " wasn't really Junko. She was really Mukuro in disguise
Hence, small defiance. Everything else she did was read off a script but that conversation and parts of the second.
>That's not my point though. My point is no real Junko drone would say they hate her or they wouldn't really be a drone in the first place. Nagito bring crazy doesn't matter. Him outright saying he hates Junko says something about him.
I disagree. This is Nagito we're talking about. He's a walking contradiction; he constantly works to instill more despair because he believes hope is invincible. I'd expect nothing less from a brainwashed Nagito to talk about how much he loves and hates Junko.
>And I don't know how Izuru could really bore anyone. He barely showed up. Barely talked. I don't know how someone can like him. Or hate him. Or whatever.
You'd be surprised how boring I find a character who only talks about how boring everything is
Don't get me wrong: when I say sympathetic I don't mean I want something to justify her actions. I hate when villains end up having better reasons for doing things than heroes. At the end of the day Junko was probably born into the world despairing, as she says. I just think the hint of a not-so-good childhood adds character.
Ah, you'll have to forgive me, it's 2am here and my memory's not the greatest at the best of times. But yes, nice to see you again. Who is your favourite character, by the way?
I'm always weird on Nagito. He's a great character, but I can't get over chapter five because I liked Chiaki so much.
I don't see how that says anything about Mukuro but meh
Him being a contradiction doesn't really matter. Him saying outright he hates Junko and what she brings in with despair proves he's no simple drone like the others if a drone at all
Are we dead? Too bad, I wanted to talk shop some more.
I should say that our conversation last week was pretty much one of the best conversations I had on DR in about a month. It's refreshing to talk to somebody who not only knows their stuff, posts good pictures, and doesn't lose their composure if you say something they disagree with.
It's not like Nagito wanted to kill Chiaki. If we assume she's a virtual character then I really don't think there was a better route for her.
Can you imagine how bullshit it'd be if at the very end she was around but suddenly it gets revealed she's an AI? As is she got to be a hero in 2-5 and then a hero again in 2-6.
>I don't see how that says anything about Mukuro but meh
I was just using that as an example of a "small defiance."
>Him being a contradiction doesn't really matter. Him saying outright he hates Junko and what she brings in with despair proves he's no simple drone like the others if a drone at all
I disagree. I think Junko has successfully manipulated Nagito because she used his worldview to her advantage. Further, we're talking about the guy that took her hand and replaced his hand with it. Nagito's clearly obsessed with Junko, I think. Whether he's a drone in the Mukuro sense or not was not my original point, just that he was obsessed with Junko.
I like Chiaki and I think 2-5 is her best moment in the game. To really appreciate Chiaki, just ask yourself what would happen if almost anybody else had been the traitor. Chiaki is a hero in the same sense Sakura is a hero. In that way, Nagito did her a favor. At least to my somewhat warped mind I suppose.
He's obsessed with Junko alright. Obsessed with killing her and fulfilling his fantasy
He replaced his hand as a sign of love yes. But he also says he hates her and wants to like fucking see her die like him killing her. I don't know of any Junko drone trying to kill their brainwasher or even wishing for it.
A drone does nothing but follow their programmer and wish for nothing but use for their programmer.
May you find your worth in the waking world.
I'm sorry anon, but we're deviating from my original point. It's clear that every UD isn't a stoic drone like Mukuro; I wouldn't even use that word for Mikan. I was using Nagito as an example of an UD who has fallen into the cult of Junko; he loves her and is obsessed with her. Sure, he also hates her, but this is Nagito we're talking about. I suspect he couldn't love anything without also hating it.
I can easily say the same. I've never really thought about a pre-despair Mukuro until you brought it up. And it's rare that anyone goes into DR girls as characters rather than as waifus.
>hating your programmer means you're not the typical drone
I could say Nagito is less of a drone than the other UD excluding Izuru maybe just off that alone. Him being insane doesn't really matter as much.
Couldn't have picked a more absurd choice if you tried.
We haven't really even seen the others yet. For all anyone knows, all of UD hate Junko as well as love her. After all, she did make them do heinous shit and sorta ruined their lives and the world. Sure they're full of despair, meaning they have come to terms that the situation won't improve and that this was always going to happen, but that doesn't mean they can't hate her just like Nagito.
But that would be bordering on speculation since we haven't seen any UD act like UD besides Izuru, Nagito and Mikan. Sonia, Souda and Twogami if you count DRT.
All we know is that the general consensus is the UD were obsessively in love with her. We see from Izuru and Nagito that this isn't really the case..... for them at least
>more absurd choice if you tried
Hey blame your waifu for her taste, anon
That's one of the reasons I'm sad that more of /drg/ doesn't like IF. It's the only time we see the world from the perspective of an Ultimate Despair. I suppose you could argue Zero does that as well, but I wouldn't.
>without Chiaki; Ibuki, Mahiru, Sonia, all the DR2 waifus would be replaced with Junko's AI and forced to do horrible things.
And yet they never thank her. She is a hero we all needed and will never deserve.
Likewise, but later. I should really sleep instead of watching Street Fighter videos and keeping /drg/ alive. One last picture for the road won't hurt though.
>Togami is about to put a bun in the stinky fujo's oven
Let's step back and re-evaluate the word taste, friend.
>misses the part where he also hates her with every fiber of his being
I think you need this sprite more than I do, Fujisaki-Anon.
I didn't miss it, but that doesn't change the fact that he did everything the rest of UD did. What's more, he went on to make it his duty to raise a second coming of Junko who would be even worse.
The fact that he says he "hates" her is irrelevant. As far as anyone is concerned, he is no different than the other UDs.
>Chihiro like buttered dick
>misses the part where he literally raises her just so he could see hope kill her off
>since he couldn't do so with Junko because she died
Sorry, Togami, what was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of Chihiro being the third most important character to the plot of the entire series. What did you do for anyone again? I read the translated Togami novel ending today, I'm very impressed with how you spend the entire second half of the novel dead while your sister did all the work for you.
I hate to talk about Izuru, I really do. I'm regretting even typing this out. But. Are we sure Izuru isn't obsessed with Junko? The fact that he's the mastermind behind the plan to turn everybody into Junko copies seems pretty obsessive to me.
I'm talking in circles because you don't seem to be getting it
He hatea her. He might love her because he's a UD but he hates her because he loves hope and she loves despair and nothing else
Hating your programmer means you're no typical drone like the others
I'll keep repeating if need be
>One he duped them in the end
>Two arguably canon
Did the dumbbell knock out more than just half of your head? I thought you would know this Chihiro anon but it's probably hard to read as clearly when you have tears covering your eyes 24/7
Whether he's a drone or not is irrelevant. He hates and loves her. That means, prima facie, that he "hates" and "loves" her. You can't just ignore the "love" part if somebody's making a list of people that love Junko. I assure you he'd be there if we were talking about people that hate Junko.
Except the point of the debate is that he's not a typical drony like the other UD.
Since you know....
>going all in with the argument that he might accomplish something in a yet-to-be-written novel, keyword being might
Get back to me when he's actually managed to accomplish something other than bang an ugly fujo. In the meantime I have to get back and join Makoto and Hajime as a hero of hope. I'm sure you understand. Say perhaps Hagakure is around, he can keep you company. He's more your level.
Why would you say the other Ultimate Despair are drones? Mukuro obviously is, but Mikan and Izuru seem somewhat independent. I've always thought the whole "drone" thing was an aspect of UD Mukuro's personality. She's the Ultimate Soldier, she takes orders and doesn't worry about the outcome.
>that he's not a typical drony like the other UD.
The point is that is meaningless as he did the same shit as them. Oh wow he said he hates her, that really makes a difference. Except it doesn't. Being "less droney" means nothing. What accomplishment is that? What did he prove? To whom? He got used by Junko, took her arm, gave up his life to enter the simulation, died and went comatose. What does being less droney even mean and what proof do you have he is more or less droney than anyone else? You havent even seen anyone to the same degree as Nagito, you have noone to even properly compare him to.
>talking to a dead crybaby who hid behind the image of 10 year old loli
I think you should be directed to the corner of Mikan and Sayaka. You know. The other pathetic crybabies. You know since you can only serve some use when you die. I mean all we need is some computer chip.
I'll stay here and just keep being awesome and alive while you're fucking dead butter
Mikan isn't a drone?
>kills two of her students for her beloved
>kills like a lot of people for her beloved
>did some crazy shit for her beloved
>probably fucked Izuru after possibly taking Junko's ovaries for her beloved
How is she not a drone?
that was really weak, you even won the last exchange
I assume everybody in UD, including Nagito, did horrible things on Junko's behalf. Mikan retains a lot of personality as an UD, however. She has reasons and motivations for her actions, just like Nagito does.
Also you never addressed Izuru. If you're only using Mukuro and Mikan as examples, that's only half of the UD in 1 and 2.
I assure you I take my job very seriously with no bias and any perception otherwise is merely your imagination.
-5 points for going after the judge for being too frightened to encounter your opponent.
I have an idea, Togami-kun. I can see you really want to improve your reputation and become someone that actually contributes to the plot. That's good. Since you're up shit's creek without a paddle and, quite frankly, way in over your head trying to compete with Chihiro, why don't we leave Hagakure alone and pair you up with Aoi. Now she's a bit above your level, after all she's actually on the cover of DR3, but I think she can teach you how to swim out of shit's creek and onto relevant shore. How's that sound, buddy? Think you got what it takes to hang with Aoi?
But you don't see Mikan going off saying how she hates Junko secretly or any intent to kill her
I didn't mention Izuru because he was planning something against Junko apparently
That is indeed the general consensus.
I will now only update the scorecard after each full 1 Chihirofag post to 1 Togamifag post exchange to prevent wild swings.
Done deal, as a Asahinafag, i cheer for Chihiro.
Pic related is happening right now, we just need to place Chihiro on it.
>But you don't see Mikan going off saying how she hates Junko secretly or any intent to kill her
Perhaps we have different definitions of the word "drone." To me, the fact that almost everything Mikan did was independent of Junko's orders weighs heavily against her being a drone. Just because you have a common goal or even work on behalf of someone else doesn't make you a drone.
>I didn't mention Izuru because he was planning something against Junko apparently
Doesn't that make him not a drone, then?
Funny how you mention Asahina because you're both practically the same. Both pathetic, whiny, weak, and cry more than I ruin lives. And that's a lot of tears mind you.
But the only difference is that she's alive while you will forever be known as the loli who lost his life and half of his to a dumbbell
Note to self. You should have really worked on weight. Felt like lifting a feather
Judge I elect to skip my turn this round. I feel bad for Togami-kun and want him to catch up.
>half of his head
I'm sorry. When reviewing all of your imperfections, I tend to lose some focus since it's like reading a book
The thread is only at page 1 but this needs to be posted right now to celebrate the occasion.
Chihiro and Nanamin~
Slaying Fujisaki like crazy. Calm down Togami kun. You really want that revenge ~
>10 year old loli
This Togamifag guy is just a malfunctioning droid who cant come up with something new.
Chihirofag, just put him out of his misery, he is gonna sperg the same thing over and over, its like a Mikanfag gone rouge.
>shit taste confirmed
Sorry anon but we'll be taking you in
That poor fucking rabbit.
Even thinking of her small, Japanese chain-smoker voice and cries as she gets ass-blasted to hell and back induces a chuckle in me.
I will see this as an addendum to your previous post. Ball is in your court Mr. Togamifag.
Feel free to plead your case.
Chihirofag if you have garbage like that on your side then I feel sorry for you. I'd rather be die.
This is what happens when I bother responding to filth
Pack your things and let's get out of here. This general has succumbed to shit taste.
Please direct your comments to your opponent, not the audience.
If we are not within the middle third of the bar by 340 posts, the match will be called.
Whoa, what caused this flurry of activity? Didn't the thread just die, like, last night? Gonna check out that porn though, thanks.
Have some Mahiru while I do that.
I have to throw a bone at the dog sometimes. It's a hassle but it's one of the generous things I do from time to time. Helping out the special needs children
Even educating Chihirofag and Samefag on their worth should show you how generous I'm being right now
Well everyone you talk to clearly have shit taste so no surprise
Koizumi is a kyu-tee. She only ever wants the best for you. Go team Mom!
Samefag don't you have a Pekofag to chase after
>its like Looney Tunes all over again
>like the Bugs and Elmer ones
Here comes the Chi-hero, got a comp sci degree,
Majored in internet slaughter, a minor cyber bully;
Here to film an individual, call this "Togami takes it",
Call your arguments "visual", 'cause bitch they basic.
I'm the cutest best boy, I save the day dressed as a lass;
I've saved hope not once but twice, same number times I've beat your ass.
Togami you're out of your league, go to bed it's getting late;
Tomorrow you can go home to your family... oh wait.
>assuming I'm the Togamifag
>assuming I'm just not calling you out on your shit taste
Try harder faggot
At first I was wondering how this one would work but then I gave it some thought and they blend together well.
One lacks a reliable father figure in her life, the other had shitty parents and knows next to nothing that behaving with your grease-monkey friends is not how you behave around girls you don't know super well.
Souda needs a stable anchor and Koizumi might just provide it.
But still alive and kicking so I rest my case.
While you're rotting on the ground with half a face.
I'm coming back into the game for round three
Can you say the same for yourself, bitch please.
Coming back to the screen to dominate
While your corpse is rotting away in a broken school what a fate.
Let Nanamin sing you a lullaby.
Damn. Came in like a wrecking ball
Even more despair-inducing with this song.
Let the tears fall.
Absolutely. But you'd need to do so much rewriting to make DR1 anywhere near as good as SDR2.
Can't wait for V3.
Yukiko Amagi 2.0
Sure you can take over I'm getting tired anyway, but before you do, zoom really far into the bottom left corner of the image you copied and tell me who the real winner is.
We don't really know whether she's part of a trio of trial point getters this time 'round because the DR team's being so secretive over whose the protagonist for V3.
I guess she has a sort of ":3" cat-like expression, like I said earlier, she also has tsurime eyes (pointy upward facing) which often are used for no nonsense, arrogant or hard-working characters. She's been linked to Mikan with the presence of The Weeping Mole (a trait of those who are said to have cried a lifetime of tears or have endured much sorrow.) but moreso resolute.
She could be Junko V2 and has three sigils, none of which we know the symbolism of yet and has a big place on the promotional poster with her finger to her lips. Deception will definitely be a big theme for her.
Reminds me of Sayaka with the seifuku.
Huh. I just realised that she wears earrings, too.
Her colours look like an inverted Sayaka to me. She also has a design which resembles a Beta-Komaru.
Anyone recognise this sigil/pin on her hair? Maybe it looks like a Moebius strip? Infinity symbol? Another nod to time-travel mechanics?
One of her symbols also resembles a lotus flower. In Buddhist symbolism the lotus is symbolic of purity of the body, speech, and mind as while rooted in the mud, its flowers blossom on long stalks as if floating above the muddy waters of attachment and desire. It is also symbolic of detachment as drops of water easily slide off its petals.
Just throwing things out here.
Why is she telling me to keep quiet?
I expect some serious Zero Escape inspired bullshit.
Kodaka and the man behind ZE are really close buddies after all. Kodaka mentioned that he barely dreams of making up a game scenario for DR that will rival the last installment in the ZE franchise.
The other picture we got for V3 looked like a botanical garden which deeply reminds me of VLR.
Keep in mind we don't necessarily know what the deal is with V3 and it's timeline. We don't even know if the Monokuma there is the same Monokuma from before.
Seeing how Kodaka seems to be ripping out some pages from that book I won't be surprised
Like we had Makoto, who was a nice guy. Then we had Hajime, who was kind of a nice but also a bit of a dick. Then we got this guy, and there's nothing nice about him. He's just a pissed off guy with a big dick who attracts pussy like a magnet.
Is this the only full body sprite we have of him right now? Fucking love his outfit.
I post in favor of chaki-anon and nanamin anon.
They never said that. They just said the MC is still a secret. It could be any of the 16.
Now that would be a twist I'm down for. Let us play as the edgy dick who isn't a complete bastard but prefers playing alone while bitches flock at his doorsteps
Nothing like Makoto and not much like Hajime.
I still adore this artist. Yes, this is the person who posted the Komaeda Kompilation Imgur Album threads ago.
>can you believe people already theorize on tumblr and reddit that these 3 are deconfirmed as the MC simply because they're next to Monokuma instead of across of him like Makoto/Hajime
>because it's not like they're the only 3 revealed right now
>or the fact that it's just beta screenshots
>like level 1 chapter 3
>or beta screenshots from DR1/DR2
I would picker piple pick a peko.
The fact that she's Kuzuryuu's girl is a waste of a good glasses-wearing, pantyhose character.
Stay sad, you miserable cuck. Kuzu x Peko is too cute to undo.
I can't imagine the robot having a place among these adorable nerds besides having some love cannot compute moments.
>The fact that she's Kuzuryuu's girl is a waste of a good glasses-wearing, pantyhose character.
Puh lease. Her being Fuyuhiko's bitch makes her hotter. Who wouldn't want to be owned by best boy?
>assuming he was a robot
>which he's not
Yeah him playing with the others and playing alone would be cool. Though can't say they'll all be nice ish especially since we haven't seen the rest of them yet