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Cute and deadly edition

>Whats New:
Greymane on the 12th maybe

>where do I find you meme-loving faggots
/join /vg/

>What hero should I buy?
Find the ones you enjoy playing and buy those. Don't buy cheap heroes just to get into Hero League, it's not worth rushing into.


>Links nobody visits anyway
Official Site: http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/
General News: http://www.heroesnexus.com/
Tips & Tricks: http://heroesofthestorm.github.io/tips
Hero Rankings and Statistics: https://www.hotslogs.com/Default
Talent Calculator: http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/
Free Hero Rotation: http://eu.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/13604571130

Previously on /hotsg/:>>127756378
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Where the FUCK is Maiev????
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I can't believe how slow this general has gotten recently
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>>127929489
>benbrode.jpg
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>>127929282
Jelly tbqh I got Arthas and Diablo when I ordered
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>>127929282
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>QM

>4 stack of try-hard heroes + me
vs
>randoms

>lose
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>>127929689
they had a higher collective MMR
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>>127929542
People are getting tired of this game.

Pretty sure it's this shitty meta. Stunlocks into burst isn't fun, and there's little skill involved. QM can't be our savior because people spam meta shit there as well, and we just end up with the same issue. If not, then it just becomes a game of "who rolled the best comp?".
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>tfw lose to RNG in real life
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>>127930963
I think it would be more fun to just have everyone pick autoselect and "roll the best comp" for realz

plus some people would get characters theyre not that great with and just imagine the shit show every game. That would shake things up.
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>>127930963
even chu8 is tired of this meta.

his job is literally to play heroes for 8+ hours a day and he's done it without getting tired of the game for months until now

yesterday i played a QM where the enemy team was a 5 stack with diablo, tyrande, kael, zagara, and muradin. this game is cancer right now.
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Reposting suffering.

Most likely no balance changes with Graymane!
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>>127931196
They should make auto select count towards all the quests for specific roles
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I need to win 1 more game as cho'gall to get him. Anyone mind helping me out?
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>>127931231
Chu8 was really only playing raynor, thrall, kael, nova every day for hours. That would burn anyone out
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I can't stand some of the people in this game. The second anything bad happens, they just start shitting over everyone on the team. Fuck it's just a game. No need to get butthurt.
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>>127932019

The ASSFAGGOTS playerbase shit. Just mute people being faggots.
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>>127932090
is there a way to flag them so you never queue into a team with them again?

I've tried reporting & blocking communication, but then they just start ping spamming
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>>127931398
The frequency in which they put out balance changes is fucking pathetic. It has been ever since Alpha, they've dragged their asses so hard. Balance patch one every like 7 weeks? Come on. There is no excuse for that shit.

Hopefully more and more people harass them into putting out changes faster.
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>>127931724
Join /vg/ and ask someone there.
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>>127932197
nope, i've reported/muted people and been queued right back into a game with them.

and we still cant mute pings from specific players. i'd love to be able to mute some of the saltlords that decide to spend 20 minutes pinging their designated shitter for the game, but apparently thats not conducive to proper teamwork.
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>>127932320
It really is atrocious. Look at how often Riot was putting out balance/hero patches when they were really growing their playerbase. They would put something out every two weeks, even if it was just a small balance tweak. Hell, sometimes they would even hotfix certain issues. That Tychus bug of going invisible on Towers of Doom is something that would have made Riot temp ban him. They slowed down their patch cycles eventually, but if you don't want players getting bored you need to shake balance up often enough for a solid meta to not come into existence like it has now.

I'd honestly rather Blizz act like Riot and put out heroes and patches every two weeks even if that meant certain heroes became completely trashcan tier. Hell, right now 31 out of 46 heroes have losing win rates, I can't see how they can make it worse unless they try.
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>queue in QM
>uther literally starts crying about everyone being bad 3 minutes in
>doesn't stop until the game ends 15 minutes later
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>>127934252
I bet that faggot want a surrender button.
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>>127933895
I remember at one point, Riot had even stopped production of new heroes and prioritized everything else.

Honestly, I wish Blizzard would do this. Dumbshits on Reddit keep saying "we need more heroes to change up the meta", but that's far from a solution to fucking -anything-.
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How to spec Nova? Gotta try some of this instagib goodness
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>>127929689
Only constant
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>>127934609
Read her talents, realize there is literally only one way to spec her, have fun killing shit.
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>>127934609
Ambush
Gathering power
AA shell
Precision strike
Lethal decoy
Crippling shot
Rewind or blink


Remember that your decoy can use your abilities but only if yours are off cooldown. So use decoy first then your other abilities. Might as well get used to using W first because you need to w first at 16 to use the vulnerable.

Your decoy also applies vulnerable and a slow with crippling shot and can use snipe
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>>127931398

"WE HAVE GIVEN UP"

t. Blizzard Untertainment
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>>127932320
This

Seriously how hard can it be just open up notepad and change a few numbers and see what happens. Everything has to be a huge production with blizzard. Like they take pride in taking forever to do anything
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>>127931398
no money for east coast servers
no money for hero trailers
no money for balance patches
ded game
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>>127935867

Does decoy apply stuff without lethal decoy?
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Tfw want to play moba
Tfw hots is boring as fuck now
Tfw hate lol
Tfw dota has input delay and shitty art
Tfw HoN just had huge balance patch that changed everything so I can't even be comfy returning

Sm-smite?
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>>127936772
Pretty sure it does 'apply stuff' (as in, slows and Vulnerable debuff) even without the talent.
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>>127936863
HoN balance patch wasn't really that huge, it's still easy to get into.
I still play it everyday.
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>>127936772
No

Other plus to lethal decoy is dismount and disrupt channels like hearth and objective capture
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>>127936617
>Everything has to be a huge production with blizzard. Like they take pride in taking forever to do anything
Soon™ xDDD
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>>127936863
>Tfw dota has input delay

wew lad
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>>127937006
I miss Amun Ra and Rampage for some reason

Stompy stompy goes the rhino! Good boy!
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>>127936863
>startup frames is "input delay"
You're probably one of those shitters who gets counter hit on everything in fighting games, and them complains about the game being "broken".
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>>127937192
Damn right Rampage is so fun, going in fast and bringing back someone to your team is great.
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>>127937287
>>127937098
https://youtu.be/7QYpU-PCIHg

>watching chu and mewn few days ago
>they go to dota 2
>wtf there's a huge delay before my hero moves
>yea that's just dota 2

K
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>>127937539
Hon has such cool alt skins too. I love the rhino alt skin where its just a huge rhino

IM CHARGING WHATS HIS FACE
ult him
HEY GUYS LOOK WHAT I GOT
ded
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>>127936678
The vulture smurfs and 3 month-long sale was a desperate plea to the community they needed more money. If only we had recognized this sooner so we could buy all the heroes with real money on all our smurfs so we could see the game survive.
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>>127936863
Smite is a fun game to enjoy casually, but desu you can't really get any more casual than HotS so I don't know if that's a step up or down

It has some reasonably popular alternate game modes like Arena, Assault, Siege, etc. Its Dota-like mode, Conquest, is probably the worst of the bunch, with poor matchmaking and a really obscure but stale meta.

Smite is a fun game if you play it uber casually, but its Dota-like map is garbage with a meta even more stale than League's
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>>127937287
>startup frames to move
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>23 people in chat
dead channel
dead game
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>>127937716
Fuck yes, they have the best alt skins of every game.
>king minos puppet master skin
>the puppet is a minotaur
Such a shame the game isn't more popular.
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>>127938259
My bad, I was thinking of how people usually complain about spell cast times.
As for the delay on movement, it's pretty much emulating the Warcraft 3 behaviour. I have no idea why would they do such a thing, but they did.
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Have they nerfed Rehgar recently? Just played after 4 month break and he feel really fucking bad.
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>>127938285
I always wondered why it wasn't more popular. I've played every major moba and its always been my favorite
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>>127938617
He's just underwhelming when you consider karazhim/uther/tyrande exist to all do what he can do but better.
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>>127938617
Or I guess after the scaling patch the healing doesn't feel as strong in early game anymore.
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Both teams have tanks so it's balanced
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>>127938285
>mfw ragebane
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>>127938617
He's perfectly fine, if anything he had his healing buffed. However he's crap compared to Tyrande, Uther or Morales because he doesn't provide stuns or a means of preventing hard burst.

It's all about burst and stuns right now, even in QM. Ancestral Healing can't keep up like Kharazim's Divine Palm can.

But yeah, he's great, it's just that he isn't an overpowered shit.
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>>127939048
It overflowed with third-worlders and dudebros, making for one of the worst communities any game has ever spat out
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>>127936863
>want to play a MOBA
>Blizzard is trying to kill HotS
>all the rest are shit
welp
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>>127939048
Maybe because it's harder, or doesn't have as much advertising as the others.

>>127939241
>gorilla warfare artillery
>pull them fukers in account icon
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Would hots have done better with blind pick instead of hero queueing in QM?
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>>127937774
I bought all the good looking skins too, I did my part to fund them, but it just wasn't enough :(
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>I can never spot stealthers
>my team never spots stealthers
>play nova
>half of the enemy team can see me like I didn't even have stealth
>every game
Most retarded mechanic ever
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>>127939452
FUCK

I forgot about that

Hahahaha
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>>127939551

Not exactly sure how blind pick would work but it would be a damn fucking site better than QM is nowadays

>oh boy, tyrael/azmodan/rehgar/nazeebo/chen into a 5-stack with tyrande, muradin and kael'thas for the 70th time today....
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>>127939678
>people are better than me so the game is bad
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So HotS used to be my go to game, I would come back home after a long day, duo queue for a couple of hours and hopefully come out positive in MMR.

What other games are people playing that fill this void? I'm playing old games like KotoR and ready to jump back to playing diablo 3 (2.4) next week.

I really want HotS to succeed because i find Dota to be too much for me despite playing it for so many years.

I know bronzemane is coming out and not optimistic at all.
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>>127938617

He picks up really late. He's got insane healing at level 16. At level 1 he's a awful healer, the 9s cooldown on chain heal is painful. And he doesn't have any utility or damage to make up for it.
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>>127939551
Fuck no, people would end up treating it like HL anyways.

All they need ot do to fix QM is to separate Warriors/Bruisers, quite possibly Assassin-like Specialists and the odd Specialists like Vikings, Murky, Abathur, and fucking enforce new rules to accomodate that.
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>>127939963
>graphic settings affect stealth detection
>monitor quality affects stealth detection
>there's probably a hack to make it easier to detect
It's a shit mechanic
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>>127940024
swtor is pretty good right now. its not kotor 3, but some of the class stories are fun now that i dont have to do a million bullshit mmo sidequests to keep up in levels.

other than that, i need help too senpai.

>>127939551
i'd rather have blind pick than this mess, but >>127940081 is right. i think there should be a limit on the number of meme heroes allowed on a team. i'm getting really tired of tabbing back into hots when my queue pops and seeing that my team consists of abathur, nova, lunara, hammer, and me.
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>1 warrior or 2 bruisers
>1 support
>1 sustained dps
>1-2 randoms
This would make QM much better
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>>127941004
>implying this ded game has the playerbase to support that
>implying 90% of this games nonexistent playerbase isnt queued up as nova or abathur anyway
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>>127940389
If this is bait then congrats,you hooked me
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>>127941004
Warriors are the biggest offender at the moment. As somebody who rarely wants to play any Warrior that isn't Rexxar, it's fucking retarded having to go against Muradin and shit as the only Warrior on each other's teams. Do-able, yes, but it then becomes -too- reliant on the rest of your team to play properly, and it's complete fucking garbage just knowing that he's going to have an infinitely easier time than I am.
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>>127940043
So for example if I play as Rehgar and enemy team has Morales we pretty much have to hope he's an awful player or we have no chance to win early game and the game seems to favor early game now after the scaling patch.
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>>127941480
Stop playing shit like Rexxar?
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>>127941513
>So for example if I play as Rehgar and enemy team has Morales we pretty much have to hope he's an awful player
Blizzard's ok with that being the counterplay to TLV, so yes. At least in that situation you could have just not played Rehgar
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>>127941207
thats the shit people are forgetting, first try to find 10 people queuing at the same time anywhere near the same mmr
Then more than a few of them cant be rexxar, murky, nova, zeratul, abathur, hammer, illidan, lunara, brightwing, chogall, gazlow or sylvanas
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>>127940024
takada? what?
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This game is starting to remind me of Transformers Universe right now

Went to shit in near record time because the devs were too slow/clueless to do anything.
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>>127941587
Yeah, I play Guardian-esque Warriors whenever I feel like it, but generally I don't. Point is, I shouldn't have to completely change my preferences just because they can't do their job.

I mean, they want this game to be more casual and appeal to those who want to play what they simply just WANT to play, and don't want anybody to feel cornered into heroes/roles they don't want to play, right? That's what HL is for if you REALLY want to, yeah? Then they can step on it and fix their QM and general matchmaking bullshit ASAP, which would NOT be hard at all to do.
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>>127942545
it's a pity, really
the time between updates takes too long, and recent updates have mixed up things too little
released heroes have little impact and often end up being painfully weak, thus barely changing anything with their presence
i really want to like it but it needs some real improvements throughout
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>>127942834

I'm kinda bored right now so if anyone wants to hear about transformers universe and how it collapsed I'll write up a bit about it.
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This game has felt like a giant desperate money grab from Blizzard. I mean $10 for skins? AND PEOPLE BUY THEM?! Fuck man.

>>127942545
game will die soon, Blizzard has a hard on for overwatch right now so all resources are going to that.
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>>127942969
i'm currently modifying data and having little success, so feel free to
you'll have at least one reader
maybe we can write blizz an essay on what to improve like that
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>>127942969
I'd read it, even if just to compare it to how BLC died.
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>>127943015
everything blizzard does they try to charge out the fucking ass for. Look at "skins" in hearthstone

They just cant get away with it here, because they actually have competition
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>>127943114

alright. well first off Transformers Universe (TFU for short) was made by Jagex Games Studio, the same people behind RuneScape and FunOrb, the latter of which was left to die without any word on it. Originally said to be a Transformers MMO, they instead went the MOBA route.

There was only two modes, team deathmatch and control points. Games were 4v4, but with no class limits. Your team could be 4 of the same mech if you wanted, and that became highly encouraged later on as balance became worse.

First off, leaver penalties. There wasn't any. People were often so afraid of their KDR being damaged (an ill-advised account stat) that as soon as they felt their 'team' falling behind they'd just leave. Leaver penalties were added for a short while, DC'ers complained and they were removed again.

There was no Versus AI for practice, and the tutorial only showed you the controls, and not any sort of thing useful in PvP combat. The only AI was unrelated enemies (the terrorcons) and only faced either as an idle hub time-passer or as a sole, repetitive PvE mission. Capture points was poorly done and whoever got the first point usually won from momentum. Going as 4 of the same 'ranged assassin' was the ideal strategy, usually Overclock. Team deathmatch, was never balanced as said before. Lose opening skirmish, two people ragequit, 2v4 for the rest of the game. No chance.

'Items' were in the form of consumables craftable outside of the game. They were also buyable with real money, making for what was not direct P2W, but you had a definite advantage over people who did not bother with stat-boosting augments.

cont.
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>>127944058
>Jagex Games Studio
oh god i am already fearing the worst.

>Your team could be 4 of the same mech if you wanted
this reminds me an awful lot of a certain upcoming game mode. hmm.

the tutorial stuff is something blizz did a lot better in comparison but i can see some similarities already
i fucking hate .cia files
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it's a "pushing structures while they have 3 dead is overrated, let's focus on capping our merc camps so their sylvanas can clear them in 2 seconds" episode
I fucking hate being support, it's like being chained to retards and being yanked left and right by their stupidity
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>>127939678
You have to assume that the enemy sees when you are aren't in a bush. That's how I play nova.
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>>127944620
but without merc camps, how will you ever win games? When I see the enemy team trying to take a camp, I rush them all solo then ping like crazy once I die, but my teammates are always too retarded to stop them. Fucking noobs.
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>>127943327

Lunara was my first purchase. Tried to send the message that, hey, charge fair prices and I'll buy things.

I doubt they noticed :p
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>>127944058

Now for the main thing. Balance. First off, it was commonly known that many of the younger and more inexperienced players favoured the Autobot side (they wanted to fight alongside Optimus Prime just like in the movies!) while older players (edgy teens) went with the Decepticons. The Decept players were ofc more experienced and usually easily beat Autobot teams. Jagex took this as "Autobots are too weak/Decepts are too strong" and repeatedly nerfed Decepts, despite many of the better players agreeing Autobots had a clear advantage in higher level play.

Speaking of higher level play, matchmaking was awful. Downright awful. It either took ages to find you a game, threw you in a game that was already being stomped (usually your side, you replacing a leaver) or with/against clueless players.

Anyway, balance. Jagex opted to only introduce more and more proficient damage dealers after a while (Post-Flatline and Sparkscape for anyone who played) Sparkscape itself had incredibly high damage and strong AoE healing at the time.

Healers and tanks got nerfed, but damage dealers only got stronger and stronger. Stealthies got introduced, and just like Nova, had the absolute highest sudden burst in the game. Then came Macro and Firebreaker, and all hell broke loose. Both capable of instakilling anything the second their shields dropped, games became 4 Macro vs 4 Firebreaker, or as close to it as possible. Both of them almost directly outclassed other mechs, and were unchanged until the game was shut down after a few months of no meaningful updates apart from one more Auto and Decept.

Basically, it was hyper offence bullshit where unlike HotS, going tank/healer wasn't mandatory or even close to advisable.

cont.
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>>127945034

The paywall was pretty harsh. Buying a new mech cost an absurd amount of relics (in-game currency buyable with real world money or VERY SLOWLY obtainable in-game) and 3 mechs for each side were locked behind Founder Packs, which cost as much as £400 IIRC. It also just so happened that for a while, one of the £400-pack exclusive ones, Astraea, was a weapon of mass destruction compared to the others, at least until powercreep rendered it obsolete. There was no sell-backs if you decided you didn't like the new mech (no try mode either!) or if it got nerfed a ton a month later. Usually when it wasn't the issue and other things were (see also Conduit, Decepticon's version of Morales who Autobot players were too retarded to focus down.)

Reskins weren't cheap. They cost a ton of relics, and were little more than colour variations, with 'new' skins taking an absurd amount of time to come out due to Jagex's incompetence.

One thing I forgot to mention for ages was Jagex's refusal to potentially think of it as an e-sport if it got popular, which, well, it certainly won't when there's no incentive to git gud.

Anyway, through a combination of the actual MOBA part being shite, absolutely nothing to do (no daily challenges either.) and Jagex being way too slow to act about anything, they eventually announced the shutdown when it became clear they weren't going to make any money off it.

This was all in the space of 2-3 months. And there's a very real chance of the same thing happening to HotS.
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>>127939809
>taunts
>you can have different announcers

HoN deserved better.
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>>127945910

Forgot to note they apparently re-imbursed everyone who spent money on founders packs or relics during the shutdown month or so, probably as the full admission of failure.

also for the record I haven't bought anything on either TFU or HotS with real money. Too skeptical of either game's long term existence. That and TFU seemed fun for a while at first but I was never massively impressed with it.
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anyone wanna help me get cho'gall before its to late? I only need to play one more game with him.

bnet: ChefEsten#1368
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>>127941904

I don't think MMR should be the be-all-end-all in QM

It's QM not ranked.

If it's standing in the way of someone getting a game before 3 minutes queued it should be sidelined
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>>127946530
I'll add u in a sec
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>play warrior
>both teams have 0 supports
>play support
>both teams have 2 supports and 0 warriors
why is QM designed to create the most retarded teams every time
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4 days until Greymane
what's your guess on his week 1 win rate?

i'm getting 32%
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>>127947449
Because it has a small player base to match you around your mmr and give you a team with a support of the other one has one, or no support if the other team doesn't as well as a warrior if one team has one and none of the other team has none.
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>>127947806
60% he OP
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>>127947806
If he can bring stupid burst, he'll fit right in. If he can't? Yeah, 30% or so.
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>>127945034
>>127945910
>>127946362
well that was a lengthy but interesting read

long story short, they tunnel vision'd themselves into this crazy, broken meta and were too dumb to try and spruce up or balance things and only further broke things

>>127947806
something awful
they are too afraid of changing up things or releasing remotely strong heroes
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>>127947806
I don't think it will be as bad as lunara, but he doesn't really fit the meta so 38%
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>>127948191
>>127948139
if his melee diving burst thing is as good as they said during Blizzcon, he might just fit in perfectly

like a Sonya + Greymane or Diablo + Greymane

super heavy dive oriented comps, might work out
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This game has gone straight to shit since chogall and the scaling. It wasnt in a an amazing place before but it is fucked now.

novemeber largest balance change ever, involving every unit in the game
december 1 hero release and small balance patch into 3 weeks of vacation

Assuming the game even fucking survives, is going to be like this every year? No fucking news for all september and october, because they are holding shit back for blizzcon, one month of activity, then a month of vacation, before going back to regular schedule?
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Spectating when?
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>>127947806

honestly think he'll be pretty good

I got to play around with him in try mode a few weeks ago. His autoattacks as worgen are very strong. Both offense + defense mobility. Good sustain too, iirc worgen form didn't use mana.
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>>127947806

Once people learn him I think he'll be less then 50%, but higher than 45%. Playable, since it looks like he does indeed do good damage. But at the same time why aren't you just playing Thrall? He's got poke and crazy melee. But he's also got strong self healing where Greymane doesn't get any 'because it'd be too strong' and has a better ult.
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>>127950964
reddit plz
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>"hey last pick guy, could you pick a support? this is the only role we're missing and it would really help the team"
>no answer
>instalocks nova 5 seconds later
>only constant
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>>127951662
Why support when you have the #1 playa killa in da gaem just delete the entire enemy team and get carried n00b
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Something else is that Greymane will probably be the lowest selling hero since the games launch.
Who wants to spend $10 when lunas whole bundle was $7 and every hero for 6 months has been shit on release

Hard to say how this could effect his winrate
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>>127951890
inb4 he's OP just to get more sales
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>>127950964
That is how fucked this game is. That retarded shit is at the top of the games reddit page.

Here, go post this shit, and collect your reddit points
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>>127950964
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Is this game good?
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>>127947806
>No stun in the Stun and your Dead meta.

He's fucked.
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>it's a "the enemy team has either mage on Shrines and you don't so there's literally no reason to play" episode
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>>127952393
Yes.

But the devs are terribly slow and clueless.
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>>127952393
it was fun 3 months ago

>>127952247
reddit already took that from us
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>>127952575
Oh did they? We will always have stimpacks....
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>>127952393
if you are going to play, find someones refer a friend link for 2 free heroes
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23.80.47.35:10132

Ts3 ip for those in the fun quick memes
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>>127952676
There's a year long stimpack now.
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>>127952745
Oh shit, can I get that if I've already started playing?
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>>127952883
the game won't even be around for a year
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>>127952947
You have to be under a certain player level. 5 I think.
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>>127952947
I tried with a friend who was already level 7 and it didn't work for them.
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>>127952956
and i should give a fuck about your opinion... because... ?
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>>127953135
that's not an opinion just the reality of hots
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>>127952956
>he thinks a free to play game will last less than six years
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>that split second where you're retreating against tyrande and she lunar blazes your retreat path but you still walk into it like an idiot but are okay with it and accept your fate
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>>127952956
Servers cost nothing to maintain. In the event the game does lose development, you can believe the servers will stay up until daily logins are under a hundred, and even then it still probably won't happen if the micro trans are still in.
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>>127954125
They shut down the east coast servers though
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>>127954396
Can you still play the game?
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>>127954396
but not because of money

there was an issue with the eastern server banks that had nothing to do with Heroes of the Storm, it was the server bank guys that fucked up, which is why Blizzard is routing all US East people to the other server banks around the world that world (like ORD01 in fucking latin america)


no word on wtf actually got fucked up in the server banks, but it wasn't Blizzard's fault
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>>127952745
Where should I look?

I went back through a couple threads in the archive and didn't see any links.
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>>127954982
Where did they say that? The only thing they've seemed to say on it was this
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>>127955107
are you NA or EU?

people can only use Refer a Friend referrals for that specific region

if you're NA, you need to use someone's NA referral link, EU for EU
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>>127955328
>as part of some networking changes that our Development team has made

my bad, actually sounds like they dun fucked up their own servers, from the looks of it

just gonna make some changes here and... oh fuck... quick reroute everyone to US8 and ORD1
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>>127953981
Every Tyrande I've played against has fortunately been terrible, but I love this post even though I can't relate to it.

Before you ask, I've played only 3 games of HL.
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Quick, how to speck monk if I'm the only support?
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is there any word on beta ending and the game launching?
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>>127956512
Iron fists
Overtake
way of the hundred fists
SSS
Quicksilver
Blazing fists
Epiphany
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how come after every win streak I get complete and utter retards matched with me and terrible team compositions?
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>>127957537
forced 50
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>They updated Starcraft 2 to add Sgt Hammer in the co-op mission.

She's canon now boys.
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You're last pick in HL and they locked in

Tyrande
Raynor
Diablo
Muradin
Zagara

Who do you choose and why
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Nothing is worse than a bad Zeratul with 10 deaths
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>>127956512
Transcendence
What you feel is best.
Echo of Heaven, unless you really need Cleanse
Either Ult
Relentless or Spell Shield usually, if you need neither make your best judgement
The one that heals more when more are present or the one that cures roots and what not if you need that
SSS upgrade if you took that, Divine Palm upgrade or Storm Shield if you went Divine Palm.
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>>127957938

Kael'thas

Duhhhh...
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>>127957938
gazlowe and type russian in hopes someone on my team dodges
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>>127957938
Uther. No matter what the rest of my team does, I can at least not be blamed for us losing.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/404mev/chu8_here_this_is_my_concern

Thoughts?
inb4
>reddit
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>>127959708
i have that fuck tagged as so... should i bother reading it first because i feel like i need to read it before reading Chu8's post
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>>127959708
>Caring what a streamer thinks
>Implying Tyrande is a free win
keep this shit in the >>>/trash/
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>>127959708
he loses with tyrande on his team all the time, it seems like he always loses when he plays as tyrande

>tyrande
>free win

yeah okay
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Blizzard really should just ban Tyrande outright until they figure out how to balance her. It's annoying to play against a comp built around her not impossible just annoying in solo queue not a problem while on comms and announcing where rotations are heading.
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>>127960707
>Ping where gank is heading
>Retreat to behind your gate
Holy fucking shit that was easy not comms required
It's the same exact thing as surviving a Nova or Kerrigan gank
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>>127960707
They've just added too many stun heroes, it's not really just tyrande it's the current meta of stun + burst and her vaulnerability contributes to that. Just tone down her trait to have a shorter uptime and nerf vaulnerability in general she would be fine.

If you are playing in low level games anyway Tyrande and the meta is a non issue.
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q u i c k m e m e
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Just saw a zagara use her maw on a merc camp when there were two other teammates helping her take it. In the same game i saw butcher use lamb to the slaghter 1v5 then dive in and die immediately.
>they were only like 100 mmr lower than me
How? The mere fact that i noticed their failures should mean im better than them. Im not the best player in the world but i dont dive 1v5, or use ults on merc camps, why am i lumped in with these retards? Is MMR hell a real thing? I always thought i was where i belonged in terms of mmr but after countless games with that level of retardation im starting to wonder if theres nothing i can do to escape this.
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>>127931047
more like won the RNG. I'd rather have those two.
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>>127961735
The matchmaking wants your win/loss to be 50/50 so it's pretty hard to raise your mmr when you play solo since you can't really carry alone
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>>127961330
You clearly have not played with the retards i get matched with. You ping danger and they run towards it and die. Any other ping they ignore completely. This is every game, without fail.
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>>127962043
But why are they so close to me in mmr? Im clearly not that bad. Not even close.
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22% win rate on towers of doom boys

really glad they got rid of haunted mines for this
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>>127961593
o_o
jaina lovers
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>>127961390
The big reason the current meta exists is because of Tyrande and Vulnerability.
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>>127962237
Because they get forced into a 50/50 win ratio too so their mmr doesn't really move anywhere either
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>>127962578
Just change vaulnerability to be weaker. The scaling changes made stunning and bursting too strong.
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>>127955107
I don't think you are allowed to post raf links here, you can try the vg chat ingame, but will probably have to search reddit or twitter
or if you post battletag, someone here could friend you, then send their link

its raynor and sylvanas free plus 3 day stimpack, so its worth looking around to find one, but you do have to be under player level 5
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>>127962237
Forced 50/50, and the matchmaking system actually gives you lower MMR players to average out your team's TOTAL MMR to be close to that of the opposing team's MMR, which could very well be 3-4 decently higher medium-high MMR players, with 1-2 lacking, med-low to low MMR players. They think this balances it out, somehow, despite bad players having more of an effect on a game than a great one, because it's so fucking team-based.

They don't know how their own game works.
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I wonder why I keep wasting time on this shit tier game. The MM system is the worst I've ever seen in any game.
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Anyone need to unlock Cho'gall? I want to do the quests
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>>127965670
Me too mate. Lunara was the last straw for a while. I just can't take another shit tier hero release.
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>>127965670
Actually to be honest, it's not about the system, it's more about the playerbase being 99% underage casuals in a team-based game
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Playing BHB as LILI

>Thrall holding 12 coins at 17 minutes, game is tied
>passes halfway point and runs right into 4 enemies
>dies immediately

>"guys is was trying to turn in

just fuckk my shitt up senpai
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>>127968794
I mean, he was.
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>live in arizona
>get put on ORD1

t-t-thanks b-b-blizzard
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>>127969601
>live in Nova Scotia
>get put on US8
>still only 100 ping
wew
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Man, I know we're in our death throes and everyone is bitching, but I fucking love this game so much. I had a bunch of really fun games today.
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>>127970525
Good, because this is an actual good game, it's just that the devs need to get their shit together.
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They are killing off hots so they can use the hots servers to host Overwatch
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>>127929489
Zeratul pretty much have her War 3 kit aside from vengeance doe.
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>>127970591
this desu. Dustin needs to pull his head out of his ass, and if he does this game could be really good
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>>127963094
>yfw you realize you are the turd that balances the MMR for the top 200
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>>127968183
I like lunara, she plays like KT and jaina as a position DPS, cept she is sustained dps. Sure she is weak in the current stunlock meta, but she can kite fairly well, not to mention when you get ult you gain a lot of mobility from jumping over mercs etc, not to mention lv 20 talent on ult, if you took speed on wisp you can send it ahead and jump over it.
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anyone else having some retarded lag in game recently?

>>127970609
>implying hots even has its own servers and they aren't just SC2 servers set to a custom game mode
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>>127969149
thats ok, but that late in the game, fck at any point in the game play safer with all those coins. dont go the dangerous way to turn in coins, its that easy
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>>127970950
SC2 is dying too so they will just pull some of the servers from there to use on Overwatch
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>>127970638
Wardens in WC3 weren't Stealth heroes

Well they did have the Night Elf "Stealth at night" trait but Tyrande doesn't have that either
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>>127971319
by next Blizzcon they'll have shut down the servers for every game but Hearthstone desu
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Gucci, since you're so curious about my setup, I'll link you my PCpartpicker tomorrow and get a good screenshot of everything. The two I have now either contain the Mrs. or contraband and I can't put either of those on the internet.

Being able to run everything on Ultra is nice. Makes finding cloaked units super easy.
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>free leorky and nova week
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>sylv doesn't use passive on forts
>too much of a bitch to even throw W or E on the forts
>lose game because she has lowest siege damage and lowest hero damage

what the fuck
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>>127974534
She was the low mmr player thrown into your game to make you lose. Gotta keep that 50/50
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fuck this game
fuck matchmaking
fuck tyrande
fuck the retarded Towers of Memes

never playing this fucking game again

see you all tomorrow
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>>127975049
I swear all the maps they add are worse than the previous, just like the heroes and patches
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>tired of getting constant mirror matchups
>play the least picked support in the game
>next matchup is nova zera BW thrall vs nova zera BW thrall
only one unique hero on each side
fucking why
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>Just got Income Tax Return for being a good government goy
>Oh boy, Can't wait to build a new pc and not to worry about dipping to 10fps anymore when BW peek-a-boo's in or when Diablo uses Apocalypse
>Oh right, this is a dead game

;_;
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>>127977000
checked

maybe next year, when blizzard adds proper multiplayer support

>hero bans
>map bans
>working reconnect
>observer/spectator
>death recap
>more information
>left clickable enemies
>proper ranks
>visible MMR
>3+ man Hero League
>working reports

when is this game coming out of beta again?
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>rank 11
>trying to get to 1
>keep running into shit like retards ignoring objectives and diving tyrandes (???)

help
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>>127977742
only constant
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>try to view details for a specific match on hotslogs
>keep redirecting me to account management page

Do I need a premium account to see that shit?
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Did well all day and then I lose 4 of my games in a row and almost lose all my progress
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>>127978471
Don't give them ideas
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I miss ded gaem just being a meme
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This Canadian nigga B-stepping all game vs a /vg/ stack comprised of 4 bronzies and one panda lover we B-step while killing his core. Once again proving you can't fuck with merica
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>>127981791
He was playing Chen with my skin combo, too.

I hope he learned his lesson about taking barrel
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>>127981791
>proving you can't fuck with merica
or pandas
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>>127975049
_iktf_
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Big news /hotsg/ Gucci is no longer bronze he is gold QM
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>>127929282
>see this
>instantly want to order 2
fuck........... blizzard got me
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>>127975335
i would fucking suck dick to get mines back just to get the towers map out of the rotation
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>>127983801
There is literally nothing wrong with Towers of Doom.
Sub 10min game new meta.
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What's up with all the shitty Sylvanas? She really that hard?

Why does every single bad Sylvana (90% of all Sylvanas) think
>hey i got my Q so i dont need to autoattack ever!!11
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>>127983801
you would suck dick anyway you faggot
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>>127983801
I'll play a mines custom game if you suck my dick senpai
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>>127940024
league and csgo
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>>127978301
The only constant is blizzards shit teir matchmaking. I have my up and down days but it doesnt matter. I win or lose depending on the quality (or lack of quality) of my teammates. Anyone who says otherwise has not seen my teammates and got thrown into high enough mmr early on so they never have to see the drooling retards.
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>>127984106
nice vs ai match m6
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>>127986256
typical moba response, get good honestly
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>5 game losing streak because i keep getting full supp+abathur/murky teams while enemy gets tons of aoe+tanks+great engage
This matchmaking is stupid fucking bullshit and has no fucking regard for teamcomps or even equal experience of teams.
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>>127986939
If you've recently won a lot, this is why you're having a loss streak. This happens to everybody, it's how their Forced 50 system works. It seems to purposefully fuck you up with comps or generally terrible players to put you at a disadvantage in hopes of getting you a loss, because you've recently won a bit too much.

Been happening since Beta, it wasn't like this in Alpha, but probably because the player pool was so small, it was like a little community just playing together.
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Do i need to polymorh nova before or omly after she firess first triple tap shot if i want her to have full cooldown?
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Where does Kerrigan stand currently? She good?
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>>127988089
While she's channeling it
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>>127988262
good kit, useless ults.
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>>127987887

its kind of amazing that people give this much credit to the mm system

or is that just this games level of player
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>>127989228
Tips for her?

I just started playing her but so far have 2/6 w/l so I dunno if it's me or just bad luck.

But how is Maelstorm useless? IMO it's pretty good.
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>>127989542
It's the best ult out of the 2, but it could be better
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Why can't blizzard afford to do a balancing patch every 7 weeks and then sooner if needed? We haven't seen any changed since Cho'gall
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>>127989542
She is too squishy and it doesn't do that much damage. It's not useless, but it's not good and it's only okay with an uther to ds you while it's up so you don't die instantly.

Kerrigan just needs help after the scaling changes.
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>>127990492
Buffs were confirmed for her loooong ago, around the time morales was out
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So how is Arthas atm? I heard he'd been hit pretty hard with the nerf bat some time ago, last I played him was when everyone was when Falstad still had his Blitzkrieg ult methinks.
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>>127988089
She shouldn't be even coming near the teamfight if you picked Peek-a-boo, so I doubt you'll even need to Polymorph her at this point and save it for channeling
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>>127990398
but we did. Small Artanis and Cho'gall buffs.
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how the fuck do you counter hammer + morales on BoE, seems like if both are semi competent, you spend so much more effort than is worth to try to take them out of the fight, and if you don't it's autolose
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>>127991713
If you don't have like a kael, tyrande or something to be able to range stun her you won't be able to do anything other than just not fight in her siege. Nova destroys her too
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>pick zagara
>rest of team picks assassins
>one shitter dies every 30 seconds
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>>127992915
just go infest + nydus and steamroll on a lane, nydus at core and infest 2 catapults gg
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bets
>inb4 blizz quality matchmaking
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>>127995253
Red wins in under 10 minutes
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>>127986256
your impact on a team is 20% if you are solo queing. If you are good you will climb not over 10 games, or 50 games, but more like 200-300 games. You can also speed it up a little by duo queing. And dont listen to "bwaaa i won 5 games and lost 6 matchmaking is unfair waa" - its total nonsense in terms of statistics
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>>127995329
it works, IT WORKS! matchmaking is saved!
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>>127995253
I had the exact same comp yesteday while playing gall. Is this what blizzard strives for in matchmaking?
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he-hey man
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>>127989346
>its kind of amazing that people give this much credit to the mm system
>or is that just this games level of player

MMR isn't like, fucking magic. They don't have to literally tell us the 1's and 0's to figure out the idea of how MMR works.

You're worth X points. It takes the 9 people that would create the closest game out of the people in que and groups them up.

The better you are, the more you have to carry. The more you win in a row, the heavier the weight gets until you get a loss.
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>mfw I'm the only warrior on team
>mfw I'm stitches, trading against Arthas and Muradin
>mfw I kill nova 3 times
>mfw I kill lone Morales once, assist in 3 other kills
>mfw I pull Murky away from our Tychus while he's in Octo-Grab
>mfw our team didn't lose a single fort on spider tomb
>mfw Tychus pms me and says "thanks for pulling Murky off me

Got one level before I can get that master skin.
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>>127996053
how did your cho'galls die three times with you there to heal them?
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>>127996770
he died 8 times
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hey fami if you want a smooth stutter free gameplay but dont want to use vsync i suggest you limit your frames to 60/whatever your refresh rate is in nvidia inspector, for "some" reason this game stutters like ass when frames dont match refresh rate.
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>playing stitches
>abathur spams mines in one bush
>ult shitter free week nova
>spit her into bush
>mfw
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>>127996885
hey its not like it was easy to stay alive when there was nothing protecting me from thrall/valla/misha
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I once had a game QM where abathur cloned azmodan every time he could and they pushed one lane with a fuckhuge demon minion army. We lost because we didn't have enough waveclear. I wish more games were interesting like that.
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>get sylvana in team
>she builds and plays splitpush
Might as well just afk in base. You just know it's a loss.
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>>127997202
yeah, but that's how cho'gall died with you there to heal him
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>QM
>Raynor insulting everyone in spanish
>Tell him "Tranquilo, payaso"
>shuts up
>Have more deaths with Leoric than him

fun game
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>>127999308

*more kills.

I am retarded
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>absolute useless shitter sylvanas with most deaths on the team says "gg you useless shits" at the end
>whisper her "reported", report her
>he logs in an another account and starts raging at me
>whisper him back "reported"
>get him in my next game
>on the enemy team
>win
H E H E H E
E

H
E

H
E
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>>127995898
Ok lets look at this mathematically. Everyone has 20% impact on the team. Lets say im contributing that of a 2500 mmr player. My teammates on average contribute 1700 mmr with at least one 500 mmr player per game. That means i would hypothetically be stuck at 1620 mmr forever, unless i get some friends that dont suck.
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>>128000093
enjoy your bans for false reports

he was obv being cheeky about being carried and you go out of your way to be a dick.

go fuck yourself ass hat
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I have a friend who is decent and he has a brother who is terrible. He knows his brother is terrible yet he brings him into all of our parties and rages when we lose because said brother throws games. Should i ditch them both hotsg?
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>>128001046
hi sylvanas
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The player base really suffers from huge egos. Some people genuinely think the only reason they can't move up in rank is because of bad teammates. I'm Rank 1, get on my level. You are the only constant.
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Is Anub'arak decent right now?
I think his kit of habilities is quite good, at least the concept
(Because the scarab shield doesn't do shit)
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>>128001237
See
>>127986256
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>>128001237
>I got lucky in placements
>If you want to be good as me, flip a coin in the no bans, pick-tyrande-or-lose meta
fuck off already
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>>128000871
Good job, that makes sense. Now all you have to do is prove your teammates on average contribute 1700 mmr with at least one 500 mmr player per game, and this over hundreds of games.
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>>128001107
>>128000093
>>128001046
you guys know reporting doesn't do shit
blizzard customer service doesn't even read them if they come from the report button (unless dozens of people have reported their account) If you're seriously being harassed in game, make an official report through the battle.net site. They still probably won't do anything about it, but they will actually read those.
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>>128001237
Dunning Kruger
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>>128001437
I posted this
>>127961735
This level of retardation is common place in every single one of my matches. Thats my proof of at least 1 500 mmr player per game. 1700 average because thats where my mmr has dropped to. I know i suck but im never as bad as the people on my team.
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>>128001412
>got lucky in placements
see, this is how people KNOW you're a shitter
if you WEREN'T a shitter you would know that the placement matches have absolutely no influence on your rank, unless the placement matches are your very first games in HL

for everyone else, the rank was already predetermined by MMR

i won 18 of my 20 placement matches and got rank 25 because my MMR was around 2500

my premade buddy (played ALL placement matches with him) got rank 4 because his MMR was 3k ish

so, carry on being a shitter, thinking LUCK has anything to do with rank
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>>128001278
He can work, in the table numbers he dosen't shine at all. But you do the job and no one notices
your stuns and coccoon can obviously swing a teamfight to your favor, you can creep pretty efficiently and you can enable your team to tower dive since the turrets insta target your beetles
Also while your hp is low the ideal strat is to take all the ability damage than you can then E away, allowing the other tank/bruiser and your team to go in

overall for the stunlock meta he is kinda good, getting stunlock yourself means death thanks to your low hp, but your stuns, bodyblock potential and such help alot to keep the cc train. Just never solotank, you can withstand sustain damage but forget about burst (ie popular picks)
KINKY
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>enemy team has already picked: diablo, tyrande, muradin, raynor
>our last pick chooses chen as our only tank
>doesn't even pick the barrel ult
>blames the healer for not keeping him alive
it's one of those "i don't even have a name for this shit" episodes
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>>128001759
Are you telling me you see people ulting on camps most of your games?
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>>128002319
what bothers me most about this game is that every loss there is always one butthurt faggot on the team who chooses someone as the fall guy and just berates them while our core crumbles.

Why do these people even play if they get that upset at losing a fucking game?
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>Lose a game because we all make mistakes
>Abathur on my team tells me to quit game because I forgot about the siege units attacking core
>I check his MMR, turns out he is 3k MMR to my 2.2k MMR

Well, I actually felt a bit hurt now
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>>128002319
>enemy team has already picked: diablo, tyrande, muradin, raynor
How?
Did your team somehow lose a bet and let the enemy team pick their 5 first?
How can you not counterpick one of those?
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>>128002592
Maybe they got kael
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>>128002592
>>128002319

If I was last pick against that combo, I'd pick Rexxar and afk
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>>128002794
>Not picking aba so they think you are doing something
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Is Forced 50 real?
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>>128002957
no, Blizzard's matchmaking is good and works
t. reddit
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>>128002957
Yes, if you go on a win streak you will start getting matched with bad comps. Even if MMR is even you will lose because of comp.
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>>128002957
If you are winning, then no, people just like to complain

If you are losing, then no, you are just bad
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>>128003035
what does the t. mean?
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>>128003924
/int/ meme that doesn't matter
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>>128002957
Not in the way people meme about it. If you go on a win streak you're going to get put with better and better people until you can't handle it and you start losing. Once you have a 50% winrate it means you're at your deserved mmr.
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>>128002501
Sounds like me alright.
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So, what do you call trying your best to main heroes that are currently not in the meta so that you can own anyway in the current meta?

Stuff like trying to main Artanis or Uther(Who both have less than 50% Win Rate) and doing your best to achieve a higher than 50% Win Rate in spite of the meta
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>>128004938
losing
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>>128004938
Being an idiot. Artanis especially gets fucked in the current meta. The only reliable way to kill him after 16 is to stun him and not let him move and hey that's what everyone does.
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How am I supposed to play with Monk?

I try to play him like an assassin but I get fucked hard, and if I try to play him like any other healer I barely heal my team mates at all
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>>128004938
throwing
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>>>128005324
>being this shit
wew lad i feel sorry, so i will explain
>heal your warrior when he starts losing HP and everyone else is fine
>dive an enemy squishy if you can kill him
>port out and heal any squishy in troble
>if enemy team has melee assassins, stay with your team and punch them when they dive
>they die
so hard
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>>128002492
That or equal levels of retardation. I had a leoric who was our only tank and refused to group up for teamfights and objectives, he just pushed top lane the whole time. So after getting nowhere with him i told the rest of our teammates that we should just follow him and do the wrong thing rather than die constantly doing the right thing. They agreed. Upon the team getting to top lane with leoric he proceeded to try and ditch us by walking through enemy towers, failing that he went afk in spawn. You have no idea what i deal with every game, i could tell countless more stories, those are just from my two most recent games. Its so frequent ive started to expect it going into a game, and try to plan accordingly by playing more warrior to try and lead the team away from throws. It doesnt matter though there is always one. And one bad player can throw a game way harder than a good player can carry.
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>winning all game
>suddenly one person gets caught out
>instead of waiting for them to res they start a suicide train going into the enemy 1 by 1
>we lose after people keep resing and trying to initiate 4 or 3 v 5
>lose
This seems to happen a lot just fucking wait for everyone to be up
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>>127929542

>i can't believe how unpopular the game is recently

ded gaem
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>>128005918
>Person types "group up"
>He is the one that abandons the team and goes 1v5
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>>128007189
maybe he thought your team needed to soak more
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Any reason to play Artanis currently? Is it the glee of having your Purifier beam reactivate and kill everyone on the enemy team?

At least that was what made me smile last game where I would just use my Purifier on the enemy Raynor and I would jump on him with triple strike. The resulting chain Purifier beams tends to kill everyone
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>>127996739
Stunning murky doesn't stop octograb
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>get hit by one stun
>ded
Fun game
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>>128002319
>it's my teams fault I didn't pick a good hero
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>>128007441
it stops the shark
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>>128007728
More like
>get hit by one stun
>then another
>and another
>ded
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Hey anyone willing to play/win 2 games as cho'gall with me? I dont own him and looking to get him still. Cheezdealer #1858, Thanks in advance.
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>>128008035
i'll add u in a sec
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>>128007441
>>128007805
If you pull murky away he stops hitting your team mate and that's what's important
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>>128008349
Yes and no, normal grab does 3 damage, level 20 "And a shark!" does like 700 dmg, once you learn the trick you go rewind double pufferfish (wich deals like 3k damage around 20) , the best you can do is cleanse the octo target and run away
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>on 2nd game of the day
>3 players have been dropped for inactivity already

nice game
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>greentexting during draft
>to complain that diablo and tyrande are not "strong picks"
y'all faggots better stay out of my games from now on
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>team needs a support
>I highlight Uther
>fag says "Tyrande is better than Uther"
>throw the game by picking Gazlowe
>tfw those angry messages after game
best feel
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>>127975337
play ranked scrub, never have a mirror again (enjoy having kael'thas in every fucking game though)
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Does anyone else enjoy just playing weak heroes? It's like playing the game on hard mode, it always seems more fun to me.
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>>128010009
>kael'thas
>not raynor, diablo, tyrande, muradin, AND kael'thas
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>>128008570
I was playing stitches and I didn't take the cleanse talent.
So grabbing him and peeling him until Octo-grab ran out was the only option
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>>128009663

>tfw when the most fun you can get out of a game is trolling your own team
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>>128010209

i do. because >>128009663 >>128010626
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>>128010209
That's how I roll too.

People like Nova or Li Li are fun.
I just feel completely useless as a Nova though.
It's fun Slug hunting though.
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>having 6 deaths as tassadar
how are people this shit?
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>solo quick meme
>party with really good Sonya
>next quick meme match that Sonya is on enemy team
>mfw my team beats hers 32 to 7 kills
>mfw abathur took ultimate monstrosity and medic healed it so much it became OP
>lmao abathur got 17 kills with that thing
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Why isn't Tyrael being played more? In a 2-warrior meta he could very well play the off-tank role
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>>128010626
Maybe blizzard will start banning for troll picks like riot does
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>>128011403
not everyone is super serious about this game. Some of us play it for fun and like trying new things in game.
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>>128011890
troll picks are pretty toxic!
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>>128011828
He requires coordination to really make use of all his potential.
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>>128011890
What a fantastic game.
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>>128011890
>getting banned for playing your favorite character

shit
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>>128011828
Because he's too much fun to play, people don't want to have fun in this game.
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All the healers winrates are in the dumpster because they're not tyande. GG blizz
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>>128011828
He's actually slightly high skill cap. And doesn't work as a solo tank, so people get a bad impression of him. I'd play him more but I feel like I tanked the game if I get put as solo warrior.
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>>128010603
Yes that was your only option, i'm talking in general thought, good murky players put the fish in a position when you need some precise clicks to AA the fish instead of murk, and in this situation, every second counts
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>>128011403
Tassagod E build is the best
>people chase you from their base to yours
>can't even take 50% of your hp away
>you insta heal, get mov speed and can make fuckin' walls
>meanwhile your team does something actually useful
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>>128011890
I would rather have the game die instead of blizzard banning people for picking a support that is not tyrande
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why does everyone rage at whenever I pick Murky or Brightwing?

Murky is a fun tank and brightwing has healz for dayz, plus they're my two best characters :(
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>>128011403
I'm a complete fuckup. Though, I'll admit, I die way less with Tassa than other characters.
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>>128012519
>>meanwhile your team does something actually useful
DESU I'm having so much fun and shit I'm always super surprised at my shit numbers at the end. Race-Car build is the best build.
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>>128012642
Your numbers depend on the plasma leech talent at 4 and if you have some aa heroes really, only thing that matters is that sweet 0 death count,
for the shit it gets this game has some fun supports
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>>128012591
Specialists in HL in general as kind of bleh. Murky in particular is bad due to his primary ability in teamfights (Octograb) being countered by Cleanse (very common on healers).

Brightwing was nerfed was nerfed really badly and since then people assume she's terrible. Which she isn't but she's not great.

People get mad at all kinds of shit.
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>sit in queue for over 5 minutes
>still get completely fucked up teams
Goddamnit Blizzard
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>>128012570

you're going to get your wish anyway, anon
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>>128010924
He talks about weak heroes and you meantion Nova. How does your mind work, exactly?
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Is the best way to play nova just roam around the map stealthed looking for overextended/weakened enemy heroes and sniping them?

Because that's what I do, which honestly is pretty damn fun, but I'm really not contributing much in terms of siege damage
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>>128013092
She dies quickly.
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>>128012642
Racecar build?
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>>128013310
You only siege contribution should be to a core getting destroyed or a very low hp fort with orbital strike, nova's job is what you just described. Problem is in this game she is kinda niche, early game kills "help", but don't have as much impact as in late game (1 minute out of the fight) since people stay grouped a lot more when EXP soaking is not as important
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if my team picks 3 squishies first and they pick double tank, we're at a disadvantage right? I must have like a 20% win rate in those scenarios because we have to fill with tank+support and we end up always losing on the frontline side
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>>128013790
E build. You just vroom vroom outta there and full heal.
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>>128014160
Nice, a support that is more worried about keeping himself alive than supporting his team, must be real useful
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>>128014096
Yeah, you have to home for Uther or someone who can half ass represent on the front. 3 Squishies first is just selfish as fuck anyway.
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>>128014295
Tassadizzle is an alternative support if you already have one. Like Uther or something.

If I'm just solo Q I'll just play him offensively. Pretty good.
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>>128014295
It's not, dude. That was the context of the post.
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>>128014420
VOID AND KHALA AS ONE
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>>128014160
sounds like total fucking cancer desu. Completely useless for your team and the enemy, Tassadar at his finest
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>>128012519
>meanwhile your team does something actually useful
ITT: Things that never ever actually happened
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tassadar is a shit support in anything but a competitive environment, most of the time your team won't be able to follow a good force wall
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>>128014581
>>128014295
It's sad that this is what our culture has come down to. Just knee-jerk emotional reactions without actually processing the information they're reacting to.
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>>128014516
>can turn Archon by himself
>can turn back to Protoss afterwards

the fuck?

turning Archon was the ultimate sacrifice of 2 Protoss, who would merge permanently to become a physical manifestation of a vortex of pure energy

it wasn't "let's just go super saiyan for 12 seconds"
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>>128012823
>Brightwing
>she
>she
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>>128014745
>It's sad
stopped reading your crypost there
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>>128014786
>implying blizz gives a shit about the different universes respective lore
they don't even bothered redesigning the MULE talent for everyone
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>>128014786
would make snes if it was permanent but made you a glass cannon, or at least like illidan's permanent morph at 20, but then again it used to be a dark archon before and it destroyed you from the other side of the map
>>128015075
pretty much this
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>>128014745
I'm reading them as ruse cruises because no one can be dumb enough to think Tass is bad right now
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>check hot slogs
>gall is less popular than cho
literally wut?
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>>128016002
doesn't count matches below level 5
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I know everyone says "ded gaem," but is it true or just a meme? Is the community actually dying?

I'm wondering if it's worth getting into HotS as a new player.
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>>128016241
have you ever seen a dead blizzard game?
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>>128016241
it's losing popularity right now because the meta sucks cocks, but it's not really dead, no.
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>>128016241
People say that a lot, but honestly, the game is fine. It's not going anywhere. It's just been boring recently because of the shitty meta and the lack of any significant balance changes regarding it. Once it gets fixed (sounds like it'll happen in the next few weeks), things will probably pick up again.
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>>128016343
>mfw HotS dies before Diablo 2 does
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There's a tournament going on right now if any of you memers wanna watch

twitch esportsarena
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>>128016648
never heard of Bobrossfan club, did they just let any shitters off the street compete?

I saw that C9 and tempostorm were in the bracket but everyone else never heard of em
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>>128017058
>doesn't know about bob ross fan club
>literally made up of the 5 top guys on the leaderboard right now
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Should Zera be top damage?
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>>128016648
did i already miss it?
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>>128017058
Bob ross fan club is probably the best team in NA after C9. It's composed of 5 of the best players in NA. They've only been around for a few months, but I don't expect them to lose to pretty much anyone but C9 this tournament.

I don't know anything about the new tempo storm. They just recently finalized their new roster after the shitfest their team went through before blizzcon. I'd be surprised if they beat BRFC, though.
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>qm with nova on neither side
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>>128017451
No, they like just started. Looks like the stream is having trouble, though.
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>>128017454
whay happened to tempostorm? didn't they have the best NA team?
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>play johanna
>pick the regen increase per orb collected
>end the game with 110hp/sec
Was fun baiting people after going down to 1 hp and getting that big shield. Would regen like half of the shield amount before it ended and then use D
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lmao these commentators
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>>128017183
Why would Zeratul top damage?
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>>128017757
Funyuns killed tempo storm. RIP.

They used to be the best, but then they had some super fucking intense team drama and like 3 or 4 guys left the team.

The Funyuns incident in particular marked the beginning of the end for them. Zuna had bought a bag of funyuns and someone else stole and ate them. After he noticed the bag was missing, he asked everyone else in the house, but no one would own up to it. He even stated that it wasn't a problem if someone ate his food, he just wanted them to ask first. From then on it just went downhill and no one wanted to be on the team anymore.
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>>128018028
If you like regen, try Chen. He gets like 120 health per second minimum every game, even if you're not really trying to pick up globes.
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Panda Panda
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>>128018424
daily reminder that kaeyoh ate the funyuns and used his new healthy diet as a cover to absolve him of guilt
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>>128018424
>look up the guy who got his funyuns stolen
>fat fuck
he probably ate them and forgot 5 minutes later
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>>128016504
Also the fucking sluggish wait for the blizzcon announced heroes.. at least imo i'm not intrested in any of them even if they were god tier in terms of gameplay / kit, i just want to see whats next, and if that leak that goes around is true the only thing that i'm remotely intrested in is Li-Ming and Samuro
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>>128018820
KAEYOH
KILLED
TEMPO STORM
EEEEEEEEEEEESPORTS
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>play hero league
>4v5 most team fights tank is laning alone
>procede to lose
>im the only constant
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>>128018768
o_o

I haven't seen fun and cute posted recently. We need to bring that meme back. Def one of my faves.
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>>128018925
also just gonna casually point out: guess who the new captian of tempo storm is?

i rest my case
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>>128017183
Only if you go with the patented Suicide-atul build, you'll kill people in the blink of an eye, guaranteed 2 seconds or less
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>play HL, garbage premade on my team
>wait 15 minutes to not get the same garbage premade in my next game
>they're on my team
>they choose the same heroes
>they both have under 10 wins on them in HL
there is no right answer, is there?
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>tfw people trash talk you over your talent choice
i picked vamp strike instead of focused attack on raynor on infernal shrines because i wanted self sustain on the skeletons and tyrande was solo support, were they right? am i retarded?
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>>128019434
This is the most retarded shit I have ever seen.
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>>128019517
>guy is first pick
>he first picks tyrael
>he has under 8 wins on tyrael in HL
>ask him why
>"thank god for mute"
thank god for abortions, too bad your mom chose wrong
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>>128007426
Well there is running mother fuckers down once you hit 16, and being pretty near unkillable 1v1 cuz of your shield
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>>128019534
since you have a healer, yes it was, even if it was tyrande.
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>>128019534
tyrande can solo support perfectly fine now, you don't need healing talents

also focused attack is super good, i wouldn't want to give it up even with 0 supports
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>>128019534
pick whatever talents that will lead to you having a more fun game experience. If you're teammates don't like it, too bad for them :^)
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>>128019632
But it works! assuming they don't have fatties
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>monk divine palms himself at half health after all the enemy burst has been used

??????????
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>>128019534
tyrande solo support is really awful, so that was a not so bad talent choice imo
meta-babies think there is only ONE acceptable build for every hero and you should follow it 100% of the time
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:')
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>>128020073
>tyrande solo support is really awful
whatyearisit.jpg

>>128020256
>play a meme
>get upset that your team is full meme
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>enemy kael picks backdraft
>pick movement speed on ult as tyrande
>10% slow, no arcane barrier
you gambled and lost :^)
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>>128020256
>that resolution

Sorry I couldn't focus on whatever you were trying to bitch about in your picture.
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>>128020375
tyrande solo heal is pretty damn awful until level 7 (battle momentul, debatable) or level 10 (shadowstalk) + 13 (overflowing light) compared to other supports

yes she's fine as solo heal in mid late game, not early game
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>>128019534
yeah, focused attack is better. The game meta is now blow-up or be blown-up.
>>128020073
solo tyrande is so good the other healers' winrates are under 45%
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>>128020375
>single target heal that is irrelevant until level 13
>mass (over time) heal
>in this stun lock + burst meta
>not awful
loving every laugh
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>playing in my first hero league game
>first draft
>team needs a tank
>pick my most confident hero (Arthas)
>whole team starts shitting on me for my pick
>get ping spammed the entire match
>we lose
>end of the match everyone whispers me "reported"
I had 3 kills and 1 death that game, I didn't make any game deciding mistakes. Why were they so mean to me?
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>>128020565
who gives a fuck? before level 10/13 your team must be mentally handicapped if they don't burst down and kill at least 1 target as soon as the teamfight starts

if you have a gank squad roaming they should be 4v5 when the objective is up anyway
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>>128020638
wow, what a retard
stay bronze, bronzie
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>>128020638
>the character who is most responsible for the extreme stun+burst meta is bad because they don't have enough tools to deal with the stun+burst meta
not following your logic
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>>128020640
you're grouped up with the worst retards in you placement games, keep your chin up son, I know you can make it
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>>128020073
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>>128020640
Because you wanted to play a fun, ballin' as fuck Warrior and not the typical meta game pussy shit.

Not your fault they can't handle a real pimp. But really it's just because you didn't pick whatever is popular. That's become a thing now. HL is pure trash and I've always maintained that it always has been, for various reasons.

It's all good though man, you didn't do anything wrong.
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>>128020640
you made the game deciding mistake of picking arthas for a solo tank

but since it was your first game, it probably doesn't really matter and they were just cunts
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>>128020640
until you reach rank 1-5 and even then, team composition rarely, rarely ever matters unless you go for something retarded like 5 assassins

people who bitch about picks at rank 40 are clueless, pay no head
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>>128019534
Vamp strike on Raynor is generally shit because if you want to go for a more survival build you should just take "Give me more" and "Fight or Flight". That's just the way it plays out because on the level 4 tier "Focused Attack" is by far the strongest talent while on level 1 and 7 the other, more popular choices are only mildly superior, if at all.
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>>128020640
because they're insecure dunning-kruger manchildren. dont worry about it, anon. especially in HL, people are cunts for no reason. you're not their therapist. just mute/report them and hope your next teammates will be mentally stable, well-adjusted individuals.
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>>128020640
this is why I stopped playing HL, too many tryhards who get buttblasted at the tiniest of things
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>>128020640
They are morons. If it is your first ever HL game, it is way better to try to play a hero you know how to play than do meta shit.
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>>128020903
>>128020960
if you can keep up with the conversation, we're talking about her healing, bronzelords
only the bronziest players pick her for her healing, you only pick tyrande for her utility
fotm shitters, I swear
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could someone post that "abathur, are you upset?" picture with kinda human kerrigan's face
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>>128023461
UNACCEPTABLE
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>>128023461
This?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARrHvZEh5mc
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>>128023078
her healing is fine after the shadowstalk buff. obviously she puts out less healing numbers than morales, but comparing numbers in a vacuum is 100% pointless. if tyrande didn't put out worthwhile healing she wouldn't be such a frequent solo support at top tier play, but she is.
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>>128024437
yeah, it was from that scene, but somebody made a little image with it
tried drawing how it roughly looked like with my mouse
maybe somebody recognises it?
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>>128024986
>2 people spam retreat on sonya sitting in a bush doing nothing
>owl reveals enemy team coming straight for her
>she doesn't budge
>we decide to start the teamfight anyway
we really shouldn't have, fuck that retarded bitch
>she gets called out for being a retard
>"lel?"
>"i could have just ran away"
>she couldn't "just" run away with the full support of her team
fuck HL, man
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>it's a "triple tap nova uses her triple tap on a tassadar who just laughs and presses E" episode
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>>128025373
this game is pure memes if you wanna get high rank you pretty much play the same charcters over and over

i saw this one guy who was rank 5 and his only two lvl 10s where jain and kt
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>our uther is late to the teamfight for the second time
>point it out in jest saying "Glad you could make it, Uther"
>he replies with "stfu bro"
Man, kids those days don't even know their classics
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>>128026131
you put too much fath in kids these days most of them barely know WoW much less warcraft 3
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>>128026131
Watch your tone Boy
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>>128026131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoLGALAC0pk
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>>128026332
post the artanis one.
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>be bronze shitter
>play HL
>pick non-meta hero i enjoy and win
>pick meta hero i play poorly and lose
>random HL scrubs would rather win the draft and lose the match

is there a less retarded MOBA playerbase somewhere?
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>>128026804
the players you playing with in Heroes of the Storm are rejects from DotA and League
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I wanna put one in the chamber of Nova if you know what I mean
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>>128028286
No I don't anon. Please explain what you mean when you say that you want to "put one in the chamber" when speaking in regards to Nova.
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>>128028393
He means that he'd triple tap her if you catch my drift
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>>128029510
Unfortunately, anon, I do not 'catch your drift'. Please explain what is meant by the phrase "triple tap her" and "putting one in Nova's chamber".
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shortest game i've ever played on this dumb map
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>>128029636
It means I'd like to "pierce" her "armor" if you can extrapolate my expression
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>>128029636
>>128029510
>>128028393
>>128028286
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>>128030013
don't kill nova >_>
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How does a Sonya main lose so badly to a guy with less than 20 Sonya games played?
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>>128030786
i'd say 20 games is basically enough to grasp any hero in this game
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>>128030786
>natural skill>learned skill
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Why is Uther's winrate so shit even at high levels? He's easy with a good kit and a stun.
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twitch esportsarena

The two top teams in NA are playing right now
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>>128031158
He's the hardest supports to play well.
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>>128030975
>>128031151
Even so, you'd expect the guy with 200+ games played to not feed at least.
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>>128031158
he's the best counter to Tyrande and Tyrande is OP as shit.
Also >>128031375
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>>128031254
>watching competitive hots
>watching competitive mobas in general
Think I'll rather watch this speedrunning stream
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>>128031389
Probably he was just having a bad day
We've been all there
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>>128031158
Something about Tyrande being on the opposite team
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>>128029658
If dumb equals fun then ok
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When is valla getting a buff?
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Enjoying your dead game and the infestation of subhuman furry trash from the WoW general, faggots?
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>>128031970
game is ded
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Why people say Anti-Armor Shells is better than One in the Chamber?
I mean, the extra damage is cool, but the lack of attack speed is really bad
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>>128031970
now that you mention it there is some serious lack of li li posting here recently
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>russina cho'gall on your team
JUST
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>Ok,let's learn how to play Zeratul
10 games and 2 wins later I have decided to retire Zeratul
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>brazilian illidan on your team
FUCK
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>>128031375
I keep seeing people say this, but I rarely see any explanation for it. Uther always felt way easier to play well than Rehgar, Kharazim, Tassadar, Brightwing and Medic. I can't think of any mechanical skill Uther requires that isn't also needed for most other supports.
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>>128032476
>french li li on your team
MY
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Why is Greymane so shit? He's an assassin but his damage is awful. My winrate with him is only 40% today.
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>>128032571
because a typical uther build looks like this
http://www.heroesnexus.com/talent-calculator/8-uther#PQvPTCqPEPCPIAA

with 4 extra skills on the "1-5" bar with the option of a 5th with storm shield. Things can get hectic in a team fight to get your maximum potential of all the extra abilities.
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>>128032571
Uther is a play maker support, using DS at the correct time is hard to do. He has the most active abilities of other supports, he has a skill shot heal, and his other heal is on a long CD making it important to use it at key times instead of spamming it. The only people who really take advantage of Uther are high level players.
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>>128033138
Nice try mr. time traveler.
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>>128032571
uther just has the greatest potential for the person to fuck up with all the extra abilities he gets from talents other supports are easy mode
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>>128031375
you have to go 5 button uther otherwise uther is shit ands= thats the only way he manages to be top tier
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that c9 vs bob ross game was like watching a sumo wrestler fight a toddler

who said bob ross was the best team in hots?
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Wow bob ross got absolutely destroyed by c9. Zuna just couldn't stop feeding

>4 v 1 chase against a corned jaina
>zuna still died to her
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>/vg/ team wont stop 3v5ing on garden of memes
>and getting useless camps
>and leaving the tank out to dry
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>>128034063
>thinking people from /vg/ are good
lolzors
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>Want to play nydus zagara
>Want to win
what do?
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Nova being on rotation is pain, why do they keep putting her on?
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>>128034248
dont go nydus
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>>128034248
Play vs AI
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>>128034248
In QM you can do it, just split pushing multiple lanes all game
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>>128005913
Is he Ekota/Etoka? I forget how it was spelled exactly but I had a shitter troll do that in HL last week under that name and did that.
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>>128032153
Throw out abilities in between auto attacks. Huge stutter step and so on. Doesnt matter though nova sucks balls no matter how you build her.
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>tfw still no Episode 5
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>>128034812
They are a dime a dozen. I dont remember his name, i dont even take note anymore because shitters of that calibur are in every one of my games. Down to the depths of mmr hell i plunge.
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>>128033294
>>128033406
>>128033696
I don't see a lot of abilities as being more difficult.
None of the abilities are even complex to use, so it really just gives you an answer to everything which feels like easy mode.
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>>128034248
>get a abathur bf
>nydus backdoor
>hope to not get towers of doom
>win (?)
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>>128035331
>team fight starts
>shield target taking damage
>cleanse target stunned
>shrink ray dps
>use benediction properly
>all while healing your team and using your heroic appropriately
>and your melee ranged stun
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>greymane isnt out yet
>meta is shit
>hero league has 0 incentive
>takes 10 years to get master skins, cost 10k gold anyway

nice game
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>>128035272
The episodes exist, just not in English
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>>128030786
Doesn't his team comp kinda sucks balls?
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>>128037096
Yeah, I know but I'll wait until it's translate.
There's like six of them out in Chinese iirc.
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Just a reminder : Kerrigan is not for sexual
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Is this game still dead with 6+ minute ques?
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>>128034248
gtfo PhantomV13
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>>128037994
WAIT TILL THEY GET A LOAD IN ME
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>>128037994
>Wait till they get a load of me
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>>128033078
>canadian murky on your team
LIFE
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>>128038227
>wait till they get a load in me

What did he mean by this?
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>>128038769
He wants people to cum in him
What else could he mean?
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>>128036964
this

why do you fucking retards still play this trash?
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>>128037994
I'm actually sincerely curious, and since this isn't a starcraft general I might not get an actual answer, but why do people like Kerrigan?

Starcraft's lore is pretty fucking awful to start with, but she's basically the definition of sexist misogynistic writing, and her strongest development as a character is titled "Queen of Blades" because "I don't know, we just thought it sounded cool" (literally, that isn't a joke, that is a real thing that Blizzard actually said)

Her gameplay in this game is absolutely awful barebone "combo assassin" gameplay. How does anyone even remotely like her in any sense of the word?

Mainly personality/writing wise, but even gameplay wise.

Either is fine.
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