/rlg/ – Roguelike General

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Ohayo /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets play our best today!

I don't believe in new threads

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Good luck /rlg/! I hope you gather all the runes, orbs, amulets, lumenstones and silmarils! May you complete all your quests and kill all the dudes!

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And with that, I think I will call it a night.
Sexy Arena diving is way too tense to deal with when you've been up for this long.
Though I would definitely recommend Sexy to anyone who hasn't tried it out yet, it's a very fun challenge.

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I'm not entirely sure why Momiji is /rlg/ related but I don't make the rules

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>>127436538
DONT BULLY THE AWOO

>>127436539
>worshippingkiku.png

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>>127435618
>>127435728

Please help with my Meme-Knight.

>double attack down to 44% failrate at level 35
Someday I will use it, sensei.

>>127436821
use good equipment
put things on them to make them swank
roll around in your money pile until the serpent kills itself out of jealousy

>>127436947
But should I slap death or destruction on my nice weapons?
I've never been far in the endgame so I have no idea what's useful and I can't take off the runes so I don't want to feel crushing regret too many times.

>>127437034
Death is the one that drains life? Use that one.

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>>127436538
>>127436482
Reminder that all delvers can make it to the promise land. Stop startscumming demonspawn muts/draconian scales

>>127437240
>the forgotten crawler

some say he still wanders the earth

>>127437034
Put death on Pain, if that's what you are referring to. Destruction is better on your gloves iirc.
Bonus points for "The Set of Cesti of the Destroyer <<Destruction>> is destroyed!"

>>127437240
>>127437548
Still here, every day!

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRVFmPXZ3M8&t=2h36m30s

>>127438490
>posting videos from last year

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>>127438490
>fuck that's still holy wrath
>well but how big could it be
>six units of big

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>>127438490
>where maximum meganerds get triple-blasted by the fury of horus and have their rune confiscated
Every time.

>>127438994
The descriptions are all great.

>>127439319
No. You're great.

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So what the fuck is gloorx anyway?

>>127441197
Spiderbro.

What's a good place/depth to grind out some speed pots in PCB?
Such a shame shops don't sell those, and I need them. A lot of them.

>>127441197
I thought it were his wings, folded around him like a bat

remove crabs, well at least change them into something else because nearly every branch have one.

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>>127441356
So like Griffith then?
God I love this spread.

>>127441350
Kill deeper, get a staff of speed, get on with life? I dunnio, I'd get somespeed pots in like1-30

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Nightmare mode is hard desu

>>127441483
there's, like, one or two crabs. Fire and ghost.

>>127435618
slap death on it, vampirism is the best possible ego on a weapon.
Also enchant it at the town armorer to +12 accuracy.

>>127442202
So why exactly are you doing this to yourself?
Does life hold no meaning?

>>127436538
yes
that is a good awoo chart
now post the not doing hurtful things to your awoo or there will be pain
for me
because I get sad looking at people being bad to her and I need a pick me up

>>127442202
play rune knight if you relaly want to play nightmare mode.
Source: a dude who played nightmare mode.

>>127443134
Anon please Q

>>127443457
What is he quivering?

>>127443502
Sounds like he is, tbqh.

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>>127443457
>Q
>N

As a tonberry monk and a father of five little tonberries I would like to express my utter contempt for will'o'wisps.
Genocide now. Protect your slow, easily confused kids.

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>>127438490
>well, we have confirmed this is vaults

>>127443781
>He doesn't frequently detect

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>terminater

>>127444108
>french terminator

>>127444108
MAYMAYL
BESTMAYL

>>127444192
Why do we call it meme mail anyway?

>>127444426
Because Ring Mail is the optimal armor to wear in any given roguelike and suggesting otherwise will have *them* alerted.

>>127444426
because we had a discussion about early PDA, which is regarded as the objectively best armor and is incredibly rare, being worse than ring mail because of the early armour investment and the fact it can't have anything but RN+ which is useless in the earlygame.
Then it kinda sticked in general as a joke.

>>127444541
SIGN THE ALARM

>>127444609
How should I sign it?
Love, /rlg/?

>>127436482
reminder the Sil 1.3 relesase should make it into the OP

>>127444734
what changed ?

>>127444729
you know you want to, fuccboi

>>127444734
oh shit yeah, that's actually OP worthy news. Eh, next thread.

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>level 36

>>127444903
Tonberries, no sense of right and left because confusion.

>>127444903
ur breddy gud

that seems a lot now but wait until you grab the gloves of the master tonberry.

So are Tonberries the race that technically can get the most damage out of fisting?
What about some demigods? Or a half-titan?

>>127444801
the major changers were:
a fat handful of new monsters, some of which are updates of old monsters some of which are brand new
totally new mac os client
some bugfixing or minor balance tweaks

here's the announcement post: http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showpost.php?p=107842&postcount=1

Some dude in the last thread was complaining that it wasn't enough changes to justify the wait, but a) there are more monster changes than one realizes from the post, he just didn't want to spoil them and 2) he had his first child so he's only recently been able to get back to some dev

one anon estimated he'd seen about 15 new monsters in his first attempt, about 50% replacements of old ones, and including at least 2 new uniques

>>127444903
nice damage!!

>>127444983
hah that gave me a good laugh

>>127445113
I had around 1k dmg late game as half titan monk, not sure how much a tonberry does

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Jeez tonberry, how come you keep forgetting to drink your speed potions like mom told you to

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>>127439453

In nethack, shock resistance does not protect against system shock from polymorphing, correct?

>>127439453
T-thanks
>>127446059
He was talking to me you slut

>>127446228
the dev team thinks of everything!
Except that. Good call.

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>>127446231
>pretending being me to get anon's attention

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>>127446414
I like to think they're thinking about my dick too since they think of everything.

>>127446794
It's just a meme, they can't really think of every single tiniest detail out there.

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>>127446059
>>127446231
>>127446757

>fist Scatha right next to Dagon
>Dagon doesn't even wake up until it's his time to be violated
Stealth is 10/10, would recommend.

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>>127446872
You hit me right in my tiny detail with your words anon.

I just got hit by a radiation eye in PCB and lost some strength. Is this permanent?

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Shit

>>127447112
No, just drained if its yellow

>>127447268
If the quest is complete, just recall out.

>>127447268
use glitter, it actually summons stuff offscreen.

>>127447268
>actually land on the stairs after 3 phase door
Thanks RNG

>>127447343
Well thats good to know if it happens again

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God I love demonspawns

Even monstrous
They're maybe the most fun, actually
Time to be a pseudo-troll with spells

>>127436363
come on, it was won by a snotling monk and you think it cannot be won by a yeek zerker

>>127447786
That was actually a rune knight though, yes?

>>127444176
should be terminateur :^)

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>>127447268
>smeagol picks you up
Clearly this is a sign from the gods

>>127447890
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=16804
Snotling monk.
Also mindcrafter
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=16099

>>127447890
Monks are *that* good.

>>127448180
>HE CAN FIT ALL THE FINGERS IN THE BLACK HAND!

>>127448180
tfw smeagol will never pick you up and call his precious

;_;

>>127448210
holy shit do I correctly understand that the snotling life monk meleed the babble to death!?

>>127448180
smeagol is super obnoxious to control though unless you have really high charisma he's going to wander aimlessly for like 40% of his turns

>>127446872
ayla mao

>>127448484
>interrobangs
this is interfering with my inner chei

>>127448484
>You cannot control Smeagol. There is a granite wall blocking your way x10
Yeah its annoying as fuck.

>>127448581
but it isn't actually an interrobang since it's not a fused character

Also I'm slouching right now in my chair so just take it easy or risk being quickly slowly annihilated

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I thought Saint Roka would have been the toughest, but i'm finding myself in danger very often in the Vaults.
Blink and haste 8and the occasional scroll of tp when i fucked up big time) have saved my ass too many times. Where could i safely grind some more levels though?
I already did Dungeon:15, Orcish Mines, Lair, Shoals and Spider Nest.

>>127449147
You can't.

Should've put those points in Dex and not Int and used Blade Hands while having decent EV.
Though you should have great damage with DF and you have 255 HP, I really don't see...

>Spellcasting title
Okay, I assume your skills are kind of bad.

>>127449147
You don't have very many options anymore. You can dip into depths for a floor or two, but that is more dangerous than vaults. What does your skill spread look like?

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Welp time for big decisions

Do I:

1) give the dark heart of baelzbub I retrieved from the dungeon to the village elder, thereby winning the game

2) murder her and destroy all of my equipment with a corrosive explosion spell just to see what happens

3) same as 2) but with sunfire spell

>>127449448
>>127449524
15 unarmed combat
20 spellcasting
16 dodging
15 fighting
10 charms
8 evocation
15 transmutation

Maybe the spread in charms and evocations was a bad idea, but Haste is too good, while evocations were my only means to access reliable magic before getting rich and using bookstores from gozag.

Reposting
In PCB, when a monster is invincible, do you just wait until he isn't anymore or is there something you can do to wreck his ass faster ?

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pls I need monies

>>127450124
Too little UC and Fighting, too much Transmutations, Spellcasting should be like twice lower too. Well, maybe 1.5 times at least if food is such a problem for a Gozag player.

>>127450125
you could dispel him, thereby stunning him for several turns

but it's an incredibly rare spell

the usual approach is t wait it out yes

>>127450125
in addition to dispel there are some few weapons that can strike through invulnerability, namely the Death Scythe...but this is dangerous because it often turns in your hands to strike you!

>>127450124
You invested way too much spellcasting.

>>127450124
Your skiling is just fine, get fighting from now on and you'll see yourself getting a lot tougher.

>>127450230
>>127450337
Not only i am a gozag player, but i'm also doing the whole "greatest stash ever" thing, so travels from dungeon to Temple Lair take their toll food-wise. But yeah, 20 was definetly too much.
>>127450353
Yeah, i think Fighting, then unarmed combat are the way to go now.
At which level of Fighting and UC should i stop though?

>>127450691
Fighting is far better because it's giving you a very easy to increase defense layer, as well as a noticeable amount of damage. But in truth, even without invoking Gozag's mightagiwhatever your damage is probably good enough for the entire game already, certainly so with endless haste.

Do what you can to get your EV into better shape as well, though that's probably not something you can easily influence.

>>127450691
You can bank on lichform for stash shenanigans later on.

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that's approximately 5000 hp per ten auts

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>>127437034
It depends.

Death (vampiric) doesn't work on the undead, demons, or unliving (this includes the serpent) but will make the game much easier when it does work. Destruction (+2 damage dice) or Air (+1 blow) are the best for hitting harder.

>>127450306
>>127450237
Thanks, and yeah that was because I saw the scythe effect that I asked the question
Too bad I'm playing a ninja

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Allright Im getting tired of this, how do I get rid of him?

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>>127450085
Ok

Killed elder with acid corrosion, destroyed most of my equipment, nuked a decent portion of the landscape, polymorphed myself into the village elder, put on an amulet of unchanging and drowned myself

#winning

>>127451909
open the [p]ets menu and dismiss him

>>127450691

>Not only i am a gozag player, but i'm also doing the whole "greatest stash ever" thing, so travels from dungeon to Temple Lair take their toll food-wise. But yeah, 20 was definetly too much.

There are 2000 items limit in crawl.
If more than that is generated, auto-purging will begin.

// Rules:
// 1. Don't cleanup anything nearby the player
// 2. Don't cleanup shops
// 3. Don't cleanup monster inventory
// 4. Clean 15% of items
// 5. never remove food, orbs, runes
// 7. uniques weapons are moved to the abyss
// 8. randarts are simply lost
// 9. unrandarts are 'destroyed', but may be generated again
// 10. Remove +0 weapons and ammo first, only removing others if this fails.

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fun and games

>>127453075
Im dumb, didnt even think about this. What happens if I absorb jewelry with antitele/antimagic?

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hold up

>>127453496
>antitele
You gain teleport resistance, which is a good thing.
>antimagic
nothing

>>127453479
those things are only worth writing home about when you're a MuMo

>>127453429
jesus christ how horrifying. do they really hate nethack so much as that? is it just to support their servers? wrt sneakily destroying the items you've painstakingly generated, I feel twelve kinds of fuck that shit

>>127453496
Nothing, it ignores those flags completely. It also ignores curse and ancient foul curse I believe.

here's the full list of flags it ignores
https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/blob/master/src/race_ring.c#L116

There's a placeholder for in the future allowing you to eventually gain resistance to teleportation effects (cast by enemies) but it's not in yet.

>>127453787
>There's a placeholder for in the future allowing you to eventually gain resistance to teleportation effects (cast by enemies) but it's not in yet.
It should be, unless it was removed in 4.0.0. It definitely worked in the last version.

>>127454389
oh maybe he did something elsewhere? I was looking at the stub at
https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/blob/8ad050ca753906b96fe820dde9c5c47b2113f964/src/race_ring.c#L1383

>>127453429
...what.
Is that true? man, my purpose would be pointless.
But are you sure about that? maybe i'm lucky to have not hit the limit yet, but damn is this a bummer.

So i guess i should get rid of all this pile of trash trasure? What a ripoff.
At least, by doing this whole autistic dragon's lair thing, i know exactly how many items have been generated.

But are you sure this is still the case? I mean, you can't really drop runes, so maybe your info is outdated?

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>>127436767
Well the sword looks cool at a glance, but it's actually fucking terrible since it weighs 50 lbs and Bloodthirsters are not Maulers.

Also for some reason, Bloodthirsters lose the fear resistance intrinsic that you get from the Juggernaut stage, which makes no sense if I know anything about 40k.

You also lose your intrinsic reflection and half of your intrinsic AC. This form seems considerably worst than the last one. So much squishier and the damage is actually worse.

>>127453787
>jesus christ how horrifying.
Don't worry anon, that guy's entire post is bullshit. Crawl doesn't do anything of the sort.

I think he's trying to drive away thread newcomers.

>>127454551
I think that means that teleport resistance doesn't display on the character sheet.

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>>127453429
>>127454592
By the way, here's my treasure cave, in which every item ever generated by the game until now has been stored.
I definetly haven't reached 2000 items in it, but i guess i'll make an inventory or some shit to notice if shit actually disappears once i hit the 2000 cap.

>>127454656
Looks like it has fun slots, though. Four rings and can still use weapons.

>>127454880
Not that guy (draconic hoarder here), but thank god if it's as you said.

>>127455275
>>127454880

just asked mpa and eoc on IRC and they say it totally does destroy items after a certain amount "but that doesn't really happen unless you're doing silly things"

I think anon's uberstash attempt will eventually qualify.

>>127455275
No, it definitely exists.

http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/items.cc#l208

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>>127454592
>But are you sure about that? maybe i'm lucky to have not hit the limit yet, but damn is this a bummer.
It's from crawl source code, items.cc so the information should be correct.

>So i guess i should get rid of all this pile of trash trasure?
You can edit defines.h and replace MAX_ITEMS from 2,000 to 200,000 or higher.
Anyway, if you try to collect every unique items from the game 2,000 items limit should be enough. If you want to save all of that +0 cloak, maybe it isn't.

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>tfw got hooked on PCB again

It didn't have to be this way.
I just want that Golden Crown of Amber and Ringil.

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>>127455750
I'm so sorry anon. I tried to warn you so you didn't have to be trapped like I am. Flee! Flee for your souullllllllll

>>127455675
>>127455505
>>127455481
Welp, gotta get rid of the duplicate items stash then.
The problem is: how? Should i start worshipping a god that accepts item sacrifices?
I'll still have to change gods some point in the game to collect all the dragon hides and uniques chopping drops, but maybe my best bet is someone who can accept this enormous stash of junk first.
>inb4 jyva

How the fuck do I deal with bouncing spells in ADOM? Other than using ball spells, I mean. My magic is too fucking strong now.

>>127453729
you are obviously not a purveyor of octopodes

or any characters that need ac
cause those are exceptional

>>127455854
But I think I'm having fun wielding Stormbringer and cheesing all this fucking money with my Rune-Knight.
Also I'm finding all these different artifacts it's fucked up.

>>127455046
At this point I'd rather have gloves honestly.
I guess if I make it to the deeper depths then I will be glad I have four slots to get speed on, but presently my resists and AC are really bothering me.

Also I found a Set of Dragon Gloves [4,+17] {ElCoCfNxSoShFe}, which hurts really bad.

>>127456719
Out of those ring slots, use 2 on [Defender] rings. That will cover a lot of your AC and resists.
Remaining 2 on speed rings.

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tasty

>>127456719
All these years I thought Mnoleg was some kind of 3-headed glowing serpent humanoid demon.

I just now realized he's the upside-down jester from the loading screen.

>>127456719
wow nice gloves
they probably won't gain many powers as a reforge target but may later be worth it to add *something* if you end up with hands in the future.

Those are some serious fucking gloves.

>>127456369
Well, just keep stashing until you receive message "Too many items on level, removing some."

>The problem is: how? Should i start worshipping a god that accepts item sacrifices?
Throwing item into lava will destroy it.

Reference :
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/terrain.cc#l808

>>127456887
I have 2 great resist rings- but they only cover base, which I have enough of-, 1 speed ring, and 2 combat rings.
Unfortunately I do shit for damage without the combat rings and have shit for AC even with the resist rings.
Right now I'm running 2x Combat, 1x Speed, 1x Resist. I'll probably shuffle through my weapons and use a shield.
Hopefully more speed rings soon.

>>127456493
Rune knights are so fucking fun it's unreal

>>127457104
Throwing them in lava is out of question: too much stuff to carry to a lava pool, i'd die of starvation or i'd have to spend loads of money in food.

But yeah, i'll keep stashing till i recieve that message, i just hope the game deletes the +0 trash i have instead of the rest.

I'm also afraid that, since when it'll happen i'll probably be next to the huge trash stash, the game will ignore it and will destroy the valuable stuff instead.

>>127457449
You know, the vestibule of hell is also a great place to stash your stuff. Nothing spawns there after you kill everything.
It's not 20 thousand items, but it's 2000 more!

But yeah
You chose the wrong game to be an autist sorry

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>>127457446
I know right?
I'm even doing the android cheese and just said fuck off to the early-game.
Still going strong though.

>>127457802
Yeah, i've ehard good things about Elona+ though!
But i could also adopt this solution: once i get Lich form, i'll just spread my trash towards all the other levels instead of keeping it in the temple.

Or i'll do as you suggested and stash it in the vestibule once i get there (and IF i get there).

I wonder if Lair can be a decent stash house too, but i guess shit keeps spawning there.

>>127457449
>Throwing them in lava is out of question: too much stuff to carry to a lava pool, i'd die of starvation or i'd have to spend loads of money in food.

You can learn Necromutation and enjoy no hunger.
Recast it whenever your transformation is about to run out.
Or play as undead.

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This damage is crazy.

>9 average
>74 slaying
>level 26

Though my resists and ac are total garbage so I'm more of a glass, uh, battering ram I guess.

10/10 would meme again

>>127458838
Tonberry monk isn't even a meme since it has reasonable weaknesses such as resist holes and other equipment restrictions due to monk and getting easily confused.
It's just a great fist-caster which you still have to be careful with.

>>127443014
fire, ghost, acid, chaos, and the undead/spectral flavors of them
don't try to downplay it

>>127459343
Nearly every branch has a C too, who cares? Get over it.

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I'm getting too dexterous for this shit

>>127459553
So one kind of bloat makes another kind of bloat ok? Fuck off. Crabs are basically becoming the * hounds of crawl.

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Well fuck, too bad I'm more of a melee kind of guy.
Maybe I should dual-wield it for the activation.

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>>127460525
>not liking hounds
Nexus crabs when

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>>127455481
>>127455675
Okay, so I dug into the code and here's the thing:

_cull_items only triggers if the game is trying to create an item and the global env.item (mitm) array is already near-full for the level (>1950 or so items already existing on the floor, depending on what triggers the check).

But: make_level() is called when you take a staircase to a new floor, which calls builder(), which calls dgn_reset_level() after the floor is generated. dgn_reset_level() manually re-initializes every item in env.item (this is the mitm array).

Clearing out and reloading env.item with level specifics each time you take a staircase seems like it should be enough to bypass any potential calls to _cull_items, which makes me think that the 2000 limit is actually *per floor* and not global to the dungeon. So I think(?) that the item culling will never trigger unless you are specifically stashing thousands of items on one particular floor.

The code is all over the place, but it looks like as long as you stash your shit with less than 1950 or so items per floor everything will get saved at floor change and you won't lose anything. (?) It really doesn't look like it's a 2000 item limit across the whole dungeon.

Maybe the anon who's on irc can confirm this with the devs.

>>127460895
jesus christ how horrifying

>>127460525
No need to get so crabby about it, anon.

>>127460895
Nexus crabs are apocalypse crabs, m80.

What exactly does PCB berserk do? Is it worth it to use it on trash enemies that I'm oneshotting anyways? Half-troll shieldmaster, so it's not exactly a limited resource.

>>127459576
You look a bit like a sailor with that hat

>>127460989
IRC anon here, they say you're right it's per floor.

So you can still stash all the things as long as you split them up a little.

>>127461337
Those are chaos crabs, surely.

>>127461489
Increases damage and fear immunity, but prevents using magic (not that you have any) and lowers stealth and magic device (so your teleport scrolls will have higher fail rates, say)

>>127460989
So, does it trigger whenever i try to drop an item on a floor with over 200 items?
Or does it trigger only if a NEW items (for example if i kill a monster on the floor with 2000+ items or if i use a scroll of acquirement) are generated on such floor?

>>127461489
>>127461754
also increases hit points slightly

>>127461754
OK thanks. So it's not worth it for stuff I'm already oneshotting.

>>127460989
Well, i guess i can stash up to 8k trash items in the vestibule of hell, while the precious stuff is kept at the temple.
If even THEN i need even more space i could use the Lair maybe?

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>>127461807
Any action that calls get_mitm_slot() can trigger a cull.

The code is all over the place, but I think this does include dropping items from your inventory. It definitely includes item creation on the floor from actions like butchering.

Basically, just spread your ultimate stash out over multiple levels and you'll be okay. Maybe fill up Lair?

Keep it to less than 1900 items per floor and nothing should ever really be able to trigger a cull, I think.

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Of course monks always find great weapons, cause.

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Is this good enough to forsake my dagger stabbings forever?
Note that my best dagger so far is complete shit

>>127462656
may I suggest playing another game
>>127463175
>3d5
you wouldn't use that anyway.

>>127463252
Well if he found it even in midgame with slay evil it's pretty fucking good for a midgame weapon.

>>127463193
Quite.

>>127463193
Wyrmbane is the best weapon in the game.

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Hmm they touched up the experimental graphics making them look sorta cartoony but not in a repulsive way.

>>127464151
No.

>>127464212
>trips
take your eppin /b/ maymays elsewhere

>>127462656
>>127462780
And if you want to be doubly sure, drop a few stacks of ammo or some +0 weapons in a corner on the stash floor.

The cull code always goes after ammo and +0 weapons first, and when it deletes something it prints a mpr warning in the combat text area telling you that it's deleting things. As long as you have a few +0 weapons sitting on the ground on your stash floor, you will be warned when the floor is full and it starts culling, without it deleting any of your more important stuff.

(It's probably safer to keep a manual count of just how many items you have on the floor and stay below ~1900 in case monster respawn triggers and has to add something to the mitm array, but if you're feeling lazy dropping 10 or so separate stacks of arrows in a corner on the floor and leting the game delete them and warn you when the floor is full seems like it would work.)

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>>127464151
>>127463837
Alright.
I really don't want to splat this Octopode, so for what god should I exchange Gozag?
What spells should I learn?
Hoping to do extended

>>127464151
Yes.

>>127464359
>Up to +18
>5 min delay
>Dragonslaying
>rage
>rF
>AC
>Can be wielded with a shield

>make halfling stabber who worships dithmenos
>find crazy good gear
>clear dungeon, lair and orcish mines for the first time
>go down into elvish halls, slaying elves left and right
>get to the big vault on level 3
>get killed by the mages
>tfw you're too cocky for your own good

>>127464225
There are multiple different tilesets you can switch between in the options, they probably just changed the default one.

You can also turn off tiles and play in ASCII like a real man.

>>127464564
>incredibly stealthy
>dropping the dagger

>>127464638
he's a squishy stabber.

also a +18 spear is still a spear.

>>127464680
>Being cocky as a stabbyguy
>Ever

>>127464680
Someone should really add a warning right at the top of the DCSS pasta to not go to Elf unless you know what the fuck you're doing.
You shouldn't consider Elf until char level 27 if you've never done it before.

Is it possible to max out strenght, dexterity and intelligence in DCSS?
What should a character pick once offered an attribute to level up for the end of min-maxing?
I'm guessing Dexterity or Intelligence, but if it's still possible to max out everything it wouldn't be an issue.

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>>127464759
A +0 spear has 6 damage and +4 accuracy, with a min delay of 5.

Adding +18 to both of those makes it pretty fucking good, considering you still can evoke reach and you can berserk if necessary. dropping 12 points into polearms isn't exactly a large deviation even with a bad aptitude.

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Alright, sexy yeek nightmare mode rune knight.

Because I like being mana balled by the mouth of sauron at random.

>>127464759
It's not a spear, it's a lance. 9 base damage. It's pretty good. Used it in extended multiple times, won a Zigsprint by poking things to death.

>>127465204
No, but don't worry about maxing them.

>>127465334
Wyrmbane is good but for the love of god please don't quote the fucking wiki as some kind of proof.

Shieldmasters are absolutely rediculous

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>rincewind the chicken

oh man

I never saw that one before

It must be a good omen!

>>127465204
DCSS doesn't have *band-style potions of stat gain. Once you're level 27 your stats aren't going any higher except through equipment or mutation bonuses.

Did they fix Cata being shit yet?

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So it begins, the great journey of King Midas, the greedy king of the trolls.
Always hungry, literally and figuratively for gold, loot and power, he'll probably die of starvation once he worships Gozag to get his famous golden touch.
A challenge or a suicide? I can't tell either!

So I heard that reforging is a thing but I don't really know anything about it. Should I be keeping all my useless earlygame artifacts to reforge later, or do I just sell them?

And what does the museum do?

>>127466032
Umh, and is there a limit to stat gain trough these mutations?
Has anyone tested in wizard mode (or whatever is called in DCSS) the max stats reachable by a character with all the beneficial mutations and optimal equipment?

>>127466118
nah

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Is this an ill omen?

>>127465972
>Good omen
You're alright man.

>>127466427
Yes there is a limit. You can only have 1 of each mutation, and the highest tier of the stat-up mutations is only +4 to <stat>.

Max reachable stats is probably highly RNG-dependent for lucky randarts. Not sure which race but you'd definitely worship Chei.

>>127466831
Look at that FREE xp

>>127466427
Beneficial mutations are really, really rare in Crawl unless you're worshipping Xom or Jiyva. You might see 2 benemut potions outside of ziggurats in an entire game, if you're lucky.

Mutations from monsters are weighted towards being detrimental, so you don't just get to stand in line of sight of a malmutator and hope for the best.

You could go into the code and add up the highest possible randart stat generation with max piety chei stats on an octopode using 8 rings, but there's no point because it's irrelevant to 99% of characters.

Crawl just isn't about grinding until you have max stats.

>>127466959
>the highest tier of the stat-up mutations is only +4 to <stat>.
+4 is second level out of 3

>>127467279
well shit

crawl wiki is shit and always out of date

probably because the retards running it don't let randoms make accounts

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>>127467279
>>127467556
Actually the wiki is right on this one. The current cap on stat muts is 2 levels at +2 each. Distrust it as a rule, though.

I have no idea when they changed maximum stat mut levels, because I remember the old cap being 3 too.

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Surely my hideous troll can't be this lucky.
Good thing i went wizard for role reasons!

>>127468038
Thzoose books only have 1 spell in them, its the basic one for each god so..

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>drink new life
>life rate goes up from 93 to 101
>hp drops from 403 to 390
So how does this stuff work?

>>127468038
Oh... each one contained only one spell...
Better than nothing i guess.
Summon butterflies is a spell i love, regardless of the character

>>127468315
Your Con must've dropped then.

>>127452062
>>127450085
Good work anon, I'm a pleb who's only ever gotten as far as the minotaur.

> Start up a new UrW game.
> Decide to be a driik farmer/trader while the crops grow.
> Explore my large starting island, find a snake and dispatch it now rather than risk it biting me in my sleep later. Also to work towards making snake-skin boots for when I become a trade mogul.
> Keep going, stumble into a Reindeer herd.
> Spawn two spaces away from one, move towards it to maybe get a lucky hit, or else scare it away so I can unzoom. Not even sneaking or anything.
> It instead goes to sleep (This is afternoon of the first day), so I just deathblow it in the neck with my axe.

Really regretting not tagging hideworking now, but the one time I'm not trying to play a hunter, the fates throw things into my lap.

>>127466285
Reforging is primarily intended as a way for characters with weird slots (read: monster races) to cover their resists, but it can also be used to generate occasionally-useful randarts for other characters.

The power of a new randart created with reforging is based on the power of the artifact you melt down and destroy as the power source. So really shitty artifacts are not really worth saving because their power is so low...you might for funsies want to reforge one early, but they're not worth holding on to.

The museum is basically a house that you cannot take anything out of. It's for people to put things that are fun, interesting, etc. Some people put their bad artifacts in there. Others give it nice statues, e.g. "A golden statue of Habu, Champion of Chaos." I even know of one guy who names every Slime Mold he finds and puts keeps them in the museum. So it's for stuff you might want to look at later for fun.

>>127468369
They are so pretty :3

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I guess i gotta run like no tomorrow, but i still ask, maybe i'm overestimating him, but i like to play my characters like fucking cowards.

>>127470053
Slow him and zap with elec wand

>>127469347
Man, Sami wants 35$ to play the new version
rip
sure it's lifetime but I don't love urw that much

>>127470210
I'm still playing the old version actually. Doubt that saves will transfer cleanly, but wtv.

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>>127470181
Did so, some heavy clawing after that did the rest.
Too bad i've wasted charges since i hadn't identified the wands, but whatever, i still have to figur which is identify.

>>127470053
Your character could probably take purgy, but your EV isn't very good and if he rolls high you are going to end up having to kite around that pillar to the down-right while your HP regens. It's probably safer to not engage.

>>127470546
Now slice his body and get the troll hide and equip it
Also identify them at the end of that floor, before you enter the other floor and when you clear the whole floor obviously

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>>127470664
>>127470629
Well lads, seems i got lucky with scrolls.
Is it worth to enchant this troll hide?
The description seems to invite me to do so, but i'd hate for it to give something a troll already has.

>>127471154
Enchant the one between remove curse and enchant armor
And dont use the scrolls yet

>>127471154
Use one on a hat.

>>127471250
>>127471417
Well shit, curiosity got the best of me and i enchanted the troll hide.
I already used one on the hat since to identify the scroll i simply read it.

I'll save up on these from now on.

>>127471557
It wasn't a terrible move.

>>127471154
>Is it worth to enchant this troll hide?
Probably yes. Keep it at +0 though so you can swap out when you find something better.

The next hide you're likely to find is mottled dragon and that won't be available until around the middle of Lair depth. Using a TLA in the meantime gets you some basic defensive stats that you wouldn't otherwise have available.

>>127471154
>Is it worth to enchant this troll hide?
you don't get the regen, but it's basically a +1 leather armor for you and it's better than a robe at least.

Still, you're probably better off enchanting a robe of RF or something.

>>127471678
>you don't get the regen
If he's playing a fresh version he does.

>>127471678
>you're probably better off enchanting a robe of RF or something.
No, definitely not. He's best off fully enchanting his aux slots while saving one scroll of enchant armour for a dragon hide.

Spending one scroll to make a TLA on D:3 is a fairly solid play.

>>127471749
>If he's playing a fresh version he does.
don't spread disinformation, trolls don't get any regen from a troll leather armor.

>want to give poscheng a try
>might as well have some fun so I decide to cheese it with android rune knight
>get first quest from mayor
>go into hideout
>get my gold taken and killed in four hits
I'm not sure but I feel like I've done something wrong here.

>>127471891
>don't spread disinformation
Maybe you should keep up to date before spreading disinformation yourself, anon.

http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=4e08597d369b04c1699e6bd46eb4d584cd50eced

>>127472029
that

is fucking retarded

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It'd be a great occasion to stock up on useful consumables, i just hope i don't get my ass kicked there.
Worst things worst i can just quit the tomb if i'm unable to clear it.

URR dev guy is living the dream

>>127472029
>http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=4e08597d369b04c1699e6bd46eb4d584cd50eced
So i get increased regen? If this isn't luck, i don't know what it is!

>>127472386
Yeah, it looks like you do.

>>127471891
He gets increased regen, what are you on about anon..

THAT'S FUCKING STUPID

THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THING WAS THAT TROLLS DON'T GET MORE REGEN BECAUSE IT'S THEIR SKIN

FUCK

>>127472850
But that's racism, anon. And you don't what that, right?

>>127472915
>bloodless vampires don't get regen when wearing TLA
>mummies do

BAN THIS SICK FILTH
RACE WAR NOW

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>>127472850
In the current code it's checking regen mutation separately from troll hide, so I guess you can imagine the lore as having been retconned to Trolls having a healing factor.

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>>127472208
Welp, tombs were a joke aside from a nasty mummy (but he was the last monster, so i still killed him with not much trouble).

Got some nice scrolls of remove curse, identify and some random potions.

>>127473096
wait, does that actually mean that bloodless vampires DO get regen now

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>>127473310
No, bloodless Vp still get shafted

>>127473429
>no fun allowed

>>127472000
The quest is level 5, you are level 1.

You can do it as a strong melee character but you still probably want to buy some healing potions from the shop in town first.

You're gonna lose all your gold so spend it all first.

>>127473563
VAMPIRE LIVES MATTER

fucking raciss devil's team

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Curses! I WANT that touch of gold! A troll of Gozag would me magnificent, not to say suicidal, but it seems i'll have to rely on luck to actually find that altar-

>>127473429
An undead that can drink potions with no hunger clock allowed to regen? That's scummy :^)

>monk of nature died to stupid OOD shit at level 32 in nightmare
>rune knight can't even slap meng huo's shit in and dies horribly

jesus fuck who knew

the only thing RK have more than these dudes is the fact they can turn stuff into gold, but I'm sure they'll remove it someday.

Monks are fucking strong.

is it worth to train maces to 26 for great spiked mace mindelay or it's the same to stick to 20 for normal great mace

>>127473849
Do a mega stash like that draconian hoarder anon.
You are called Midas, you HAVE TO.

>>127474382
>is it worth to train maces to 26 for great spiked mace mindelay
Yes. You have a +3 apt anyway.

>>127474402
I'm pretty sure that's the same guy

>>127474382
Obviously GSC is far better for the one race that can wield it and has a positive MF apt
And that race should be using giant clubs instead of great maces anyways

>>127474449
>>127474507
but won't it steal a fuckton of xp for other skills though?

>>127472223
I am happy for him. He's got everything together.

I don't even care if he never finishes the game, I just like seeing him so happy about what he's doing.

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>>127473085

>>127474454
>>127474402
Well duh, my terrible filenames should have given you a clue dear anon.
I'll surely make the greatest stash ever, but i probably wont bother with duplicates with this character.

The purple dragon is still fine, i just don't want to bother with the moving of all that shit right now.

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Boots of the assassin are fun

In PCB, whats the difference of scroll of identify and scroll of *identify*? I'm asking because the ones with ** is way more expensive and I feel like I should know why.

>>127474051
>but I'm sure they'll remove it someday

Maybe not though, since Chris doesn't seem to hate fun.

>>127475468
Identify works for common stuff like telling you what a potion does or the plusses on a weapon.

*Id* also tells you the special properties from ego/artifact items like resistances, slays, active abilities, etc

>>127475468
Ego items and artifacts need to be *identified* to see all of their properties.
The library also offers this service.

>>127475689
>>127475734
So *remove curse* is for the harder curses, then?

>>127476345
Yes, for CURSED and *CURSED*

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Qazlal in Ziggurat/Thunderdome sprints is like cheating

So as an Android rune knight should I bother with spellbooks or not?

Also if someone could point out how I can look at something I've equipped that would be really fucking great because I'm trying to figure out if this is a two handed sword or not.

>>127476345
Yes, "heavily cursed"

>>127476429
*CURSED* is permacursed, I believe

>>127476806
>should I bother with spellbooks or not?
You can't learn spells.

>>127475137
oh man this reminds me of the last time I saw somebody with The Boots of the Assassin and the Dark Maul.

>>127476806
You cannot cast from spellbooks, but the dungeon books (books 3 and 4 for each realm, the ones that are only spawned in the dungeon [or sometimes the black market]) sell for very high values at the spellbook shops.

If you inspect a book and it is immune to the elements, then it is a dungeon book an potentially worth considering carrying back to town to vend. The "town" books (1 and 2) can all be destroyed by stuff like fire.

>>127477175
>*CURSED* is permacursed, I believe

Oh, right.
Mundanity is needed for that to be removed.

>>127476806
You get spells intrinsically by leveling up and can't cast from books.
Press e for equipment and I (capital i) to examine.
You should read the help file accessed with ? before starting.

>>127476806
Shift + i to examine, then / to switch to your equip.
You get spells automatically as you level up.

>>127476345
>>127476429
>>127477175
>>127477516
I'm not sure if this *CURSED* hint is true or not but identified permacurse items will say they are "permanently cursed". And yeah permacurses can only be removed by obliterating the item with ?Mundanity.

Ancient Foul Curse cannot ever be removed from an item, but the AFC also does not carry the "stick-curse" so you can unwield it at will (assuming it doesn't additionally carry a regular or heavy curse).

The ancient foul curse is DANGEROUS to wear for long periods of time because when it triggers Bad Things happen, but it's often on very powerful items and thus worth using as swaps for combat. Just don't rest or use the overworld with them on to minimize risk.

>>127477504
Oh man remember that time I got the boots of the assassin on my MuMo

That was fun as hell

camelot has officially fucked my life up

>commands you to return!
>commands you to return!
>commands you to return!

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Eeeek!

>>127478186
Teleport Other.

>>127477913
AFC are fucking nothing
I've worn thanos for all the endgame and 99% of the time all I got was stat drain being covered by my sustains and sometimes a two turn paralysis. Worst I had ever gotten was when I was surrounded by five cyberdemons once, but I just read teleport and that never happened again.

AFC are fucking weak sauce.

>>127478186
>casts a manabolt!
>hits you! You are blinded!
>summons kin!
>follows your teleport!

>>127478340
yeah pretty much this, I see them under-used here because people are scared of them, but the AFC isn't so bad since chris removed the unstoppable-paralysis from happening at the same time as summon cyberdemons. So now the worst cases are mostly cyberdemons on their own, or a paralysis in a dangerous spot which is fairly rare (though bad).

Also Thanos is incredibly based.

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Alpacalypse might be kinda OP.

So I'm going out east and I see Smeagol out here. Do I just murder him or is there something else to do with him?

>>127478684
nah just murder, though if you're an earlygame low-damage character then his high regen rate and chance of stealing shit, combined with his invisibility and teleporting/phasing, can make it not worth it.

But if you have sufficient ranged ammo (plenty of arrows/charges/mana) or decent melee damage then just go for it. He has a 1 in 666 chance to drop The One Ring :)

>>127478549
>immunity to cold
>AND fire
>put on indra for elec immunity
>be a yeek or wear thorin for acid immunity
There, ac el fi co immunity.

Sucks that there are no sources of non elemental immunity.

>>127478571
2loveru

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Fucking blink dog teleports me in sight of Yibb-Tstll who I proceed to kill and right after Rinaldo shows up who I also kill but jesus fuck these blood curses.
Based Strombringer keeping me at full health and aggravating the whole dungeon so I can get to the loot faster.

>>127478901
Yeah I'm gonna fucking kill this little shit, took most of my fucking gold.

>>127466831
>khlak
What.
There used to be one that spelled crawl, but the fuck is this.
Actually nevermind, bet they fucked it up with monster removals.

>>127478960
You can be a vampire monster race for dark immunity and still have the slots for all that.

>>127479194
Now that you're at Amberite depths, worth carrying a swap amulet with anti-magic since it gives a huge bonus to saving throws. You get a chance to save individually against each effect invoked by a blood curse.

>>127479207
see that's exactly what I was talking about re: don't fight him if you're not blasty enough...once you're committed it's so hard to back away

>>127479710
>You get a chance to save individually against each effect invoked by a blood curse

Thanks, I didn't know this.

>>127479710
Yeah I got the fucker running away with a crossbow. Put his skeleton in my house, I hope it stays and doesn't rot away.

Found 'theives handbook', is it just a spellbook for theivery or something to do with skills?

>>127480036
>I hope it stays and doesn't rot away.
it won't rot.

>Found 'theives handbook', is it just a spellbook for theivery or something to do with skills?
It's the first book of the Burglary realm. Since the only shop that will buy Burglary realm texts is the black market, you'll never get a good deal on their books unless you're a rogue of burglary or take the human/demigod black marketeer feat. Even their final book will only sell for a few thousand because black market reasons.

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>You have a good feeling.
>press [

I guess it's time to go.
How much damage doe Darkness Storm II do again?

>>127478340
This reminds me, isn't ancient foul curse really bad in furyband? Like it can randomly spread to your other equipment if you have a cursed item on.

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WITH THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE

A cata base without a permanent light source is a fucking nightmare

>>127480367
In Furyband it's pretty bad, yeah.
I've got a post-win Jedi in Furyband with some things in his equip having AFC. It can do a lot of various shit, mainly drain your stats and exp, make you lose memories, etc.
Thankfully he's resistant to most of that though, so he can MOSTLY use them, although annoying things do happen every now and then.

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Starting a new Cataclysm world, trying to make it as generic zombie survival as possible while being a little more challanging.

Params:
City Size = 2
Drop rate = 0.25%
Only normal Zombies and wildlife
Zombies are twice as slow
Zombie Spawn rate x200%
NPC's OFF

Planning on starting in the wilderness for extra hardship.


Any other ideas I should pump into this?

>>127480590
probably dex

>>127480674
huh?

>>127480749
dcss "pump dex" reference.
Sorry, I don't know enough about CDDA to make an actual suggestion so I made a DCSS joke based on the phrasing of your last sentence.
And I don't play DCSS either

>>127480590
You can start in winter if you want more difficulty, though I doubt you'll find only slow normal zombies challenging if you know all the dda tricks.

>>127480749
he's saying you should throw ruks

>>127480590
You're not gonna have the fun you crave

No matter how hard the settings

>>127480504
>not living in a car

I believe that I have found an item duping bug in UrW, though for all I know Sami could have fixed it already in the version that just got released.

Still need to do more tests, preferably in a new save game for reasons that should soon be obvious, but what happened was I lit myself on fire (by trying to make a staff-> javelin via my field-fire, and passed out from the burn injuries, but then regained consciousness, left the fire, and saw that my character had dropped the Woodsman's Axe that he had equipped in hand slot 1 in the fire, so I picked it up before it burned and saw that it had never actually been unequpped, the game just made a new one in the fire without removing the old one from my inventory.

>>127480359
Uhhh...not sure since spell-code unlike breath code goes through some hoops with regard to spellpower and what not, and I've never traced that logic or known what jack's values for it are.

How's your rDark? Getting a chance at Jack's cloak would be nice for a droid...not many higher-level cloaks are in the game besides very rare randarts

FUN IS AN ILLUSION
IT DOESN'T EXIST

>>127481115
I pushed his shit in so hard that Zelazny's turning in his grave but no cloak, sadly.

>>127481531
Alas. It's only 15% chance anyways. Hopefully it will turn up soon enough elsewhere.

>>127481779
Well I did get the Boots of Shiva's Avatar at least.
Maybe I should slap Haste on them so I can be the fastest.

>>127481927
those are some good boots
leather jacket when?

>>127481373
Good goy

>>127481043
Thanks for your opinion about fun I will or will not have.

>>127481047
this.

I mean why bother with actual construction which takes forever and cannot move, when a vehicle home has all the benefits and can always be driven when the area is exhausted of resources.

>>127483060
Fucking gypsies.

Thanks to the anon who gave me the brownie tip yesterday. I tried with one less egg and the result is basically exactly what I wanted. Only issue is that the parts on the edges of the tray got kinda hard, but there ain't much you can do about that.

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>>127483586
>gave me the brownie tip

So you fucked a black anon?
Well he fucked you, to be more precise.

>want to gitgud in elona
>end up just comfying around
also holy shit the japs houses, i know 90% of them is just cheat enginin' but i'm sure some of them are just pure autism

>>127484061
Shitty house bring dishonor to famiry.

>>127484061
Show me the fabled houses of the Japs, I'm interested.