/xivg/ - Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward General

xth for cat sluts

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xth for fuck ravana

xth for remove Kirito fags

xth for male potatoes

I wish there was a reason to run aetherochemical more than once.

Reminder that the average French player is better than the average American player.

>>127337939
looks like he fucked you instead

>>127337983
level 60 roulette has it

au ra boypussy

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nth for highlanders are bestlanders

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>>127337896
whats up
jk

What could they do to make this game good?

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Catbois

>>127338093
ladybird race when?

>>127338074
Increased budget, removing PS3, upgrading their servers.

>>127337983
There isn't a reason to run anything in this game more than once.
>>127338074
Actually be competent developers, which they are not.

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>>127338038
No it doesn't

Dungeon does give 120 law though so I dunno if it would be pretty good for law farming with a geared to fuck group. Would probably still take too long to be worthwhile

>>127338074
If anyone mentions changes to characters like butts/boobs or graphic changes then they should kill themselves.

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>>127337960
I wanna stick my meat in his **boipuccie**

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>>127338093

>>127338074
Breast/butt sliders
Better textures for feet
More poses and vanity

>accidentally click on wpsg
you guys aren't so bad after all

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/elezeng/

>>127338392
Pretty sure there's a breast slider.

>>127338392
>>127338248

>>127338453
Lalas need one

>>127338453
Insufficient bust

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>>127338051

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post some cute midlanders

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>>127338051
Agree

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Xth for roegadyn boyfriends

How to gear gatherer at 50+? All the vendors have stopped selling shit.

>>127338074
1. Go back to 2.1 levels of content production

2. Stop designing the game like overreactionary children getting mad when players don't do exactly what you want them to do

>>127338248
It's funny because it's probably a more financially sound option then anything else seeing as it'd soak up the money from desperate, lonely fetishist shitters because that's all they care about. Balmung could become a money farm.

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some kind of cat

reminder ast will never be in world 1st groups

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>>127338664
cute

>>127338756
I'm pretty sure you asked this question yesterday and I replied
Anyway, market board or craft them yourself or grab materials and ask a crafter friend

>>127338031
>tfw american with french bloodlines
>people think im amazing

im ok i guess

>>127338931
without team updog there's only jap groups anyway. mrhappy is the frontrunner for american world firsts.

>>127339101
>mrhappy is the frontrunner for american world firsts.
So no more NA world firsts, got it.

>>127339101
you forgot contagin's static

>>127338057
You're the biggest slut I know..

>>127338931
Honestly if we get another gigaflare or something, AST has 20% extra mitigation that will push HP checks well.

AST didnt even get a chance this patch with how late they buffed them and how comfortable people were with WHM.

Just kind of depends on what the fights are like. If its anything like this patch it'll totally be WHM though

>tfw someone asks you to ERP but right before doing the deed they have some bullshit excuse and leave

every
fucking
time

>>127339263
>20% extra mitigation
From what?

>>127338884
c@s should be tortured to death

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>>127339252
i'm not a slut

>>127339423
Well there's Collective Unconscious which is 10% (and I THINK that stacks with Sacred Soil but I haven't bothered testing it), and I'm guessing the other 10% he means is Disable which definitely stacks with Virus.
There's also Bole which is 5% AoE mitigation but I doubt you could rely on that.


I honestly don't know if they can ever do anything like Gigaflare that's actually threatening again, though. Deployment Tactics alone almost takes that possibility off the table, because your only two options there are "Deployed Adlo makes this trivial" and "Pretty much unsurvivable without a Scholar" (or I guess maybe the comedy option of a Paladin using Divine Veil on top of an AST's Nocturnal Helios).

>tank
>cycle CDs
>stance dance
>900 DPS
>avoid all AoEs
>keep boss positioned so DPS don't have to move around too much or risk standing in fire
>one commendation

Fuck you ungrateful cunts.

>>127339890
like i'd ever commend a meme class rofl

>>127339890
whats more offensive is that if you had stayed in tank stance the entire time and done none of that, you'd have probably gotten more. the playerbase is toxic af these days

>>127339753
You are!!!!!

>>127339795
4th Mortal Rev is basically that in a4s

Even with Conv Defiance Deploy, Path, Veil, CU, it drops us down to 20% in full 210

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>>127339890
wow

you did thing

here star

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>mfw I have the cutest lizard of /xivg/

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>>127340056
only 4u

>>127339795
Disable is not 10% flat mitigation, its the reduction of potency by 10% which are not the same thing.

>>127339890
>3944 commendations
>never ask
>play all roles
>don't care if i get zero
maybe you should play more.

>>127339263
Until they make Diurnal not suck shit, AST will be the budget healer. Both WHM and SCH can hand out decent DPS only managing cleric stance; and WHM has better HoTs while SCH has better shields than AST.

Add to that the WHM superior DPS and HoTs leave AST utterly shit useless in full groups, because it's not like we're going to ask the SCH to stay at home any more than we're going to ask the AST to go Diurnal.

>>127338942
Literal Adonis

>>127339060
>bloodline mattering
You sound Japanese as fuck.

>>127338931
AST will be in the world first Midas Savage clears. It's been buffed since 3.0, and you fags said the same thing about PLD being used over DRK in Savage. 3.2 will be the patch where people realise WHM's healing is overkill and that AST+SCH DPS is more important.

>>127340025
DRK isn't a meme class anymore.

>>127340158
We want squid

>>127340253
>you fags said the same thing about PLD being used over DRK in Savage
Except we didn't know anything about DRK doing more DPS and being just as good of a tank as PLD. We already know how AST stands up to the other healers as explained by >>127340243

>>127340158
Good....

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>>127340368
have squid

>>127339890
Flex a lot that's what I do!

>>127339890
>pop every CD as it comes off CD
>keep every dot up at all times
>use LB whenever it can be used
>get three commendations

lel

>>127340475
i'll put squids tail into squidcat butt

>>127339795
AOE bole is really, really useless.

Honestly bole should just be played straight. It's 10% damage reduction on the tank for 30 seconds. That's pretty freaking nice. The only RR i use with it is extended. 60s of 10% mitigation can save a lot of mp.

>>127340243
You mean nocturnal. Diurnal is fine. There has never been a regen check. What's going to matter for world firsts is burst damage and straight up HP checks, and with bole, disable, and CU, AST is far better equipped to handle that, especially when paired with a scholar.

>>127340475
Muh dik

>>127340181
Potency is literally a scalar multiplier of whatever damage is being dealt.

>>127340243
AST actually has higher HoTs than WHM if you include CU and Asylum

Their DPS is very similar as well, Mana is the biggest issue but especially in progression, you dont get more of a chance than to get up dots to DPS, you don't have the gear to rely on defense/hots to sit an hit stone 3/combust 2

>>127340243
>Aspected Benific is 20 less potency in 3s less duration
>Aspected Helios is only 100 less potency spread out over 30s
WHM's regens aren't noticeably better than AST's, and AST will provide more overall DPS on anything that isn't a dummy.

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>>127340586
don't DO THAT

>>127340634
you like squids, huh?

>>127338809
>2.1 levels of conent production

like what?

CT was meant to be at release.

>>127340627
>You mean nocturnal
>nocturnal is worse than diurnal
>I think diurnal is better because I can actually contribute to group DPS while my group dies from insufficient healing; nvm, the WHM picked up my slack instead of contributing some DPS

wew lad

>>127340734
What do ya think?

>>127340737
>tfw we have this retarded cycle of vertical progression where every odd numbered patch is irrelevant on release because the XIV team couldn't get CT done on time in the first place

>>127340737
2.1 had FIVE new trials with loot, and of course three dungeons added to the roulette.

2.3, 2.4, 2.5, and 3.1 have all had ONE new trial with loot, and in 3.0 and 3.1 we're down to two max-level dungeons per patch from three.

How much longer do you think this game has before the servers shut down?
I give it till 2019.

>>127340973
2.1 had THREE trials that were rehashes of what we already had.

3.1 added Diadem in the place of another dungeon.

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>>127340909
probably not desu

>>127340725
AST doesnt have the mana to provide more reliable personal DPS. They merely match a WHMs personal DPS with the buffs they bring to the rest of the party(if they get any useful ones that is)

>>127341168
I totally like it! The blue compliments the brown and its overall cute! CUTE!

>>127341112
not him but you can't really ignore Ultima, mog counts as well even though it was just the hard version

>>127338756
moghome vendor has 55 stuff

otherwise craft/buy the 51 stuff yourself

>>127341112
Are you implying that the trials in 3.1 and 2.5 aren't rehashes of what we already had?

A "rehash" of existing content that uses the same art assets but has a new set of mechanics, a completely different fight script, and requires just as much learning, is effectively a completely new fight, and having three of those every patch is infinitely preferable to having a single "all-new" fight every 3-5 months.

>>127341328
Does your mom know this is your life?

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>>127341328
wtf why did you quote me so much

>>127341349
dang
so many people hated my au ra
still, i like my catgirl a lot so it'll be a long time until i fantasia back

>>127340973
>dungeons already irrelevant.

And what were the 5 trials? 3 Extreme Primals which give Neck/Wrist/Ring and Ultima was Ring/Neck?

>>127341328
Don't quote me you filthy degenerate

>>127340837
Are you trolling? Nocturnal is utter dog shit. CO does nothing for shields, time dilation does nothing for shields, and shields require refreshing long before the end of CU. You just end up pissing away MP and you lose out on a scholar. If you're using nocturnal for anything other than pvp or a joke, you're wrong.

>>127340725
The big problem with ast's regens is aspected benefic needs to be refreshed more often AND costs more.

Honestly Yoshi is right, people play AST wrong. They burn everything that isn't balance or arrow and then complain that they don't have MP or that their heals aren't as strong. Spear = MP. Ewer = MP. Bole = MP AND HEALING.

Yeah, ideally, you'd be balancing everyone 24/7 but even one balance in a fight is more than white mage brings.

>>127341304
They absolutely have the mana to drop a combust II/combust every 30 seconds.

>>127341553
Let me just say this that Au Ra is EB worthy in my eyes.

>>127341598
>combust II/I competes with aero 1, 2, 3 and stone 3

>>127341598
bole is trash tbbqh

like if you get one during drainage or plasma gud4u but 10% doesn't mean much in the long run since 99% of damage is scripted and the other 1% is just randomized targets

Let's unfuck PLD

Clemency heals and shields all allies within x radius for x amount; instant cast, 60s CD.

Divine Veil reduces incoming magic damage by 20% instead of being a heal based shield; is now an AoE buff bubble.

Cover now blocks all damage instead of just physical.

Tempered Will is now an Esuna strength cleanse.

Bulwark removes the CD on Shield Swipe.

Sheltron block applies to single target magic damage.

Flash now applies a 30s DoT on all targets hit; when CoS hits a target while the DoT is active, the remaining damage is dealt immediately; 25s CD.

RoH potency lowered to 200 and is changed to a cleave that hits up to 3 targets.

RA ignores damage reduction of Shield Oath and is given a threat modifier while Shield Oath is active.

Besides /terag/, which general has as many avatarfags/thread personalities as us?

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>>127341553
i want squid to come back

>>127341764
>caring this much

You're more of a joke than any of these avatarfags. Literally, it's undeniable.

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>>127341304
AST has enough to match a WHM in most content, mostly just because in progression you dont get the time to burn your mana on high cost spells, only dots. In fully geared content, you clear fast enough for it to not matter

Just keep up dots alone is about 250-300 DPS, which is a lot to a core healer

>>127341598
This post is fairly accurate except I actually like the initial heal on aspected a lot

I barely throw away cards post 2-3 minutes into a fight, I will use all of them.

>>127341778
Bole is great if you dilate it with CU, during stuff like straf doles, MT twister phase in A3S, A2S, A1S, anything really.

Bole has saved my life in solo heals because it lets you play catchup

>>127341328
Quoting the posts 3 times to make it seem like an epidemic is really sad.

>>127341598
>The big problem with ast's regens is aspected benefic needs to be refreshed more often AND costs more.
<100MP difference for more healing per second. It doesn't matter.

>>127340627
>bole is really, really useless.

Corrected that for you.

It's never going to help you survive anything, because the RNG nature of it means that you plan all your mitigation around NOT having it.

It's never going to free up extra mitigation to use elsewhere, because delaying other cooldowns after getting Bole is likely to mean that those cooldowns won't be up the next time you actually need them.

They can't even be used to replace a tank stance in the rare instance that you actually use a tank stance, because if incoming damage is severe enough for you to use your tank stance, the 10% you get from Bole probably isn't going to cut it.

And of course, the laughably weak effect of Expanded Bole is just not even worth doing.
They should just double the effect of Bole to 20%. That way it's actually usable as a substitute for a tank stance, and at 10% it's actually worthwhile as AoE mitigation during some bit of heavy raid damage.

>>127341823
I want your old cat to come back tbqh.

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>>127341672
t-thanks

>>127341823
wtf, you don't like my cat?

>>127341797
This is the worst pasta.

Those new PvP modes are going to be dead upon arrival or only one of them will work.

Why the fuck would they make 5 separate queues? They also need to fix the problems with SMN/NIN/WAR/AST in PvP.

>>127341763
>casting stone III in progression

Yeah that'll happen.

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Booty.

>>127342140
But everyone did cheese it.

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>>127342009
not much different but the eyes and scars
>>127342031
become a squid for me

>>127341823
>red and white eyes
What is this naruto shit
get out, uggo

>>127342210
Where? I don't see any.

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>apected spells cost more and last less
>heals for less, burst heal cd longer and weaker
>has only one reliable way to get mana back
>no mana saving traits
>pure card rng, often requires 2 cards just for a decent buff

yes, this class totally is world's first material

>>127342210
I know that butt...

>>127342107
I still found time to do it.

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>>127342325
maybe
also he's right, old face was better desu

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Still accurate?

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>>127342210
Booty

>>127341556
The three Extremes gave i90 (raid-quality) Earrings, Bracelets, and Rings, and were attached to a weekly quest that gave an i90 (tomestone-quality) weapon for completing all three.
Ultima gave out both Necklaces and Rings, at only i80 compared to i90 Myth/Allagan, but they were still useful due to not being on any sort of weekly lockout.
The last one was Thornmarch Hard Mode, which didn't give functional/useful loot, but still had weapons that were pretty popular once glamour prisms were introduced.

>PLD, AST and MNK will be relevant in 3.2

Revenge of the Cucks.

You heard it here first, folks.

>>127341983
You're using it wrong. You don't use it to survive shit, you use it to make your regens relatively stronger. so you have more MP to cast shit that WILL help them survive. That's why empowered bole is useless, because you burned a balance or another bole you could have saved to do it, and why expanded bole is also useless.

>>127342402
>>127342365
fug
>>127342386
but i'm playing the game

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>>127341328

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post mb blunders

>>127342101
Hey now, don't take away the one thing ast is good at.

>>127341804
every mmo general has them, but this general is the one that bitches and cries the most. namely you.

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>>127342701

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>>127342210
Lack of booty

>>127342763
saw a kingly whisker get sold for 148k on balmung

>>127342845
I'm not complaining, just wondering.

>>127342381
>burst heal cd longer and weaker

Synastry compares kind of unfavorably to Divine Seal but this isn't really accurate.

Synastry is a retardedly strong boost to direct, single-target healing. Divine Seal increases healing by 30%; Synastry increases (direct, single-target) healing by around 70%.

The cooldown on it is 90 seconds compared to Divine Seal's 60 seconds, but the duration on it is 20 seconds compared to Divine Seal's 15 seconds, so overall maximum uptime is comparable.


The reason that it's weaker in general is that Divine Seal applies its full 30% to both regen effects and to AoE healing, while Synastry is only 20% to those things.

The other issue is that 60s on Divine Seal's cooldown fits more nicely into most common boss phase durations than the 90s on Synastry, but that just comes down to how a specific raid tier's fights are designed.

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>>127342381
>apected spells cost more and last less
Lower mana cost of benefic/benefic 2 balance this out

>heals for less, burst heal cd longer and weaker
The only difference in WHM and AST healing is Aspected is weaker than Med 2, but CU is stronger than Asylum so they actually favor AST if all 3 hots are up.

ED is shorter CD and stronger, not sure why you're saying that

>has only one reliable way to get mana back
Max ethers, and preemptive use of Lightspeed on AoE healing

>no mana saving traits
Accurate

>pure card rng, often requires 2 cards just for a decent buff
Not true

>yes, this class totally is world's first material
Its not at all, but people are listing all the wrong reasons which is the funny thing

>>127342517
Pic related

>>127342531
Monk is already a straight trade-off for Ninja. Unless you want to tell me trick attack is worth 400 raid dps.

>>127342420
>reddit humor
yes, the new hw skills don't impact the rotation but you have to learn how to use them anyway

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>>127342210

>>127338232
>>127337983
They should have added it to the main scenario roulette, adding a law bonus to the story roulette as well.

>>127343031
>monks do 400 more dps than ninjas

lol

>>127343031
Are you retarded? MNK is nowhere near 400 DPS ahead of NIN, it's like 100 max. NIN+Trick Attack contributes way more to any group, and properly timed Trick Attacks make DPS checks much easier early in progression. There is literally no reason to bring a MNK to any Savage fight, and there never has been.

>>127342980
Don't forget the fact that you can time dilate + CO an aspected benefic at the very end of synastry.

Bole + Synastry + AB + LA + CO (because you never use CO without LA) + TD = I'll be over here casting malefic II for the next 20 seconds.

>>127343031
Add goad, shadewalker, dancing edge if you don't have a war, and the fact that you pulled that dps number out of your ass

who /waiting on black desert/ here?

Have to resub, but also have to download literally all patches ever because my disc is old as fuck, is there a way to get the client to download the patches without subscribing ?

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Sometimes you just need some time by yourself...

>>127343384
>waiting to have a fresh shit dropped in your open mouth

relic weapons shouldn't exist

i don't want some casual shitter having the same ilevel as me

>>127343430
you could sign up for a trial account on a different account and download the game

>>127343474
you didn't even beat A1S let alone the rest

>>127343315
Shadewalker and goad are irrelevent if you didn't bring a paladin.

And yes I did pull that number out of my ass, it was deliberately meant to be absurd. Trick Attack increases raid dps by 1.6% overall. Unless your raid dps is over 10,000, monk will get the overall job done faster.

>>127343548
keep lying to yourself to feel better baddie

>>127343457
I was asleep at midnight though, go ahead and search the archives for a midnight post

【・ヘ・?】
Kill yourself my man

>>127343548
>you could sign up for a trial account on a different

Good thinking, I like that.

>>127343442
you aren't by yourself you have your chocobo!

>>127342420
Why Twin Snakes before Dragon Kick?

>>127343652
I thought trial makes you download a gimped version of the game so hes gonna have to download a bunch of shit too anyway?

>>127343254
> there never has been
now you're just being silly, anon.
before nin existed there was plenty reason

>>127343818
Nah that doesn't even make sense.

If the restrictions were client side, you could download the real client or hack the trial client to bypass shit and play for free. And developing a gimped client would take away development time from the game.

You absolutely get the full client from the trial.

will there be a valentines event this year?

>>127343930
Where? Link posts.

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>>127343618
i've had it on farm since october sorry buddy.

if you've actually played this game it's always been this way.

>>127343254
>There is literally no reason to bring a MNK to any Savage fight, and there never has been.

confirmed for some WoW shitter who started playing during HW

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>>127343930
Oh no you got me I'm shitting my drawers in rage

You gotta try a lot harder than that cutie

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So how does this work ?
Anyone interested ?

Somehow since I got my original sub from a contest a billion years ago I am eligible for it; I'll probably sub for 30 days only at first since I have to go on a work trip in two weeks.

>>127344108
He clearly meant Savage Gordias. Savage Coil isn't even the same thing.

>>127343892
>>127344108
Can you retards even fucking read? I said Savage, obviously talking about Alexander Savage. MNK has been shit since 3.0.

>>127344097
>taking a screenshot of lodestone

>>127344171
655MNS8N

enter it on your mogstation

>>127343384
I was thinking of trying the jp vers cuz it's free.
A friend wants me to play the en release with him but holy fuck, everything about it screams red flag.
>b2p, but cbt access restricted to the $50 + $99 packages
>no obt
>no refund if you play any of the betas
>buy our game without trying it and fuck you if you think it's terrible

How to fix MNK in endgame:
Remove MRD xclass, add ROG with the following skills:
Goad
Mutilate
Assassinate (add untraited version with the same cd as mercy stroke)
Death blossom

Change Dragon kick INT debuff to a -5% magic resistance debuff

There, fixed

>>127344297
say no more senpai

Do you make any gil leveling Fishing?

So far I'm up to 20 and I'm down gil from all the bait I've bought along the way.

Brrrrrrrreed me senpai.
Slam my on the table.
Wrap your hand around my tail and pull it tight while railing me.
Pull my ears really hard when you give my your seed.
Meow.

>>127344097
>october

lmao, as expected of a shitter.

>tfw you almost always regret letting someone else heal

>>127344418
thats hot

>>127344171
W429E9TQ

tell me your character name/server and use this and I'll love you forever and do anything for you.

>>127344232
You missed the memo where they got buffed to be about 150 dps higher than dragoon.

>>127344343
That is retarded.

>>127344418
Elk no

>>127344232
you're just shit nigga

>>127344343
>add death blossom
>60 potency AOE
>when their average AOE potency is already 60

>>127344454
Except they don't. DRG outdamages MNK on A1S, matches them on A3S, and only gets beat by 50-70 max on A4S. DRG also contributes more than MNK because of Battle Litany and Disembowel. MNK is the selfish job to use if you want to show off a slightly higher personal parse, it's definitely not the one you use to maximise group DPS or progress.

>>127344232
lol who fucking cares outside of world firsts? monks are perfectly viable in most groups. the rest of you are just try-hards.

>>127344203
>diaper

>>127344418
spuki....

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>>127344203
"but i dont have a diaper feitsh, maybe you should message me in private on steam >:C"

post blacklists

>>127343598
Increasing raid DPS by 1.6% translates to 96-112 DPS for a group that's putting out between 6000 and 7000 overall DPS.

The difference between Monk and Ninja's personal DPS (setting the comparison at the 90th percentile on FFLogs) is 46 DPS on A1S, 406 on A2S, 63 on A3S, and 150 on A4S. (And for fun, it's 86 on Thordan.)


So counting Trick Attack alone and ignoring gains that you can make via Goad and Shadewalker, Ninja adds roughly equivalent overall raid DPS to Monk in every fight that isn't heavily reliant on AoE.

Except that, whereas the added raid damage from Monk is spread evenly over the entire fight, the raid damage from Ninja is condensed into short periods of huge group-wide bursts, which is much, much more useful for passing mid-fight DPS checks than Monk's evenly-distributed damage.

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>>127344817
>elezen
Even more disgusting than diapers themselves desu

Drawc@t is a shit

>>127344842
>>127344940
>retard isnt posting
>lets post about him anyway
Shut these posts down and report.

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lalas are so short

>>127344805
MNK is about as viable as PLD.

>>127344263
Unfortunately I don't have games installed at work. Not all of us are NEETs, friend.

>>127344423
And you don't have a clear at all.

>>127344609
It's just there as a filler senpai, you're not supposed to take it
Instead you take mutilate (only 20 potency over fracture), assassinate (mercy stroke) and goad for a little extra support in a cross skill slot that was unused anyway
Plus you help the casters do some extra damage just like DRG helps the ranged
Also it's lore-friendly
It's perfect, they should hire me at SE

>>127344297
Well it's done, enjoy whatever reward you get kupo.

>>127344452
Sorry you were a bit late kupo.

>>127345029
So completely fine and marginally worse than alternatives in normal content?

>>127345138
but that makes it AWFUL and ONLY SHITTERS DO THIS anon D: D: D:

>>127345039
my group cleared it in mid-september, i'm just not so insecure that i need to post screenshots to salve my fragile ego from the attacks of anonymous posters on an anime imageboard. also lmao at implying others are NEETs when you were fucking raiding on christmas eve. confirmed for permavirgin.

>>127345238
but anal's normal

>>127345267
yeah well i cleared it in august and i say you're shit, son

>>127345406
fuck off elysium

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>>127344857

>>127345267
>>127345406
lol, yeah people in the top 5 post here, all the time.

>>127345468
okay ;__;

>>127345238
>unbirthing
Where that's my fetish

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xth for sleeeeeeepy catboys....

>>127345842
this catboy doesn't look sleepy at all

>>127343598
>Shadewalker and goad are irrelevent if you didn't bring a paladin.
Except DRKs run out of TP just as fast.

Also, none of the tanks can hold hate very long in DPS stance at the start unless they have shadewalker.

>pulling in tank stance

>>127344726
Nobody should be taking FFlogs seriously right now. We're at the point where groups are going in with parties explicitly to make certain people look good.

40 dps is not going to make or break your fight, I promise you. If it did we'd all be running 2xWAR and bringing Astrologians.

I've been saying it's a wash between monk and ninja. Nothing said here contradicts that. And monk has burst power. They have to save up for it but they definitely have it. Check out the 90th percentile on Ravana EX, the burstiest boss in the game right now. Monk just shits all over everybody.

>>127345934
its the sleepies on the inside

not the outside. . .

>>127345542
fold/chyea pls

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V I D E O G A M E S
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>>127345956
Yeah tanks aren't going to be pulling in dps stance in midas, i guarantee that.

>>127346002
>I've been saying it's a wash between monk and ninja. Nothing said here contradicts that.
Literally everything contradicts that, because MNK's DPS lead is so small and stuff like Trick Attack and Goad are too useful to not have.

nth for enjoying the game.

I'm having fun with the Gladiator. I keep reading in these generals that they're shit at endgame. I hope by the time I reach endgame they'll be balanced again!

>>127346302
I'm so, so sorry.

>>127346009
why would you be sleepy inside then

>>127346176
WAR/DRK/AST/SCH/MNK/DRG/MCH/SMN world first midas. Count on it.

>>127346119
But I'm a muscle maiden

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>>127346153
How do you think people pushed DPS in a4s

You literally sit in dps stance the entire fight, outside of the warrior pulling with unchained. Aggro is still an issue though, you can lose it halfway through a fight to melee 1 since they're doing nothing but hitting the boss

>>127342140
>c@t
Its so easy to tell who you are because only you make this shitty mistake.

>>127346391
DRG/NIN/MCH/BMN

>>127346350

Sorry for what?

>>127346002
>Nobody should be taking FFlogs seriously right now.

You can take it plenty seriously if you're not being a retard by either taking the #1 score and assuming that everyone should be able to do that in all scenarios, or by assuming that any results that hurt your ego/argument are solely the result of people padding their DPS. All the tools you need to separate that shit out are on the site.

>>127346519
Our daddy told us not to be ashamed of our dicks, considering they're of such good size and all.

>>127346302
You need to level gladiator to tank as any of the others anyway. And you need to be level 50 and in Ishgard to unlock dark knight. Your class is shit but you're still on the right track regardless.

>>127346475
Because shit doesn't do any fucking damage in savage gordias.

>>127346510
Batman?

>>127346490
I do it too...

Post muscle girls.
Show me those muscles.

>>127346002
You mean everyone should apply critical thinking when looking at FFlogs.

>>127346475
No nin? Shadewalker solved our aggro in dps stance issues.

>>127346606

Mmmhn! I'd be right happy to.

But no really. Is GLD that bad? I remember reading that the new tanks were bad at release but they fixed them. I hope they do the same with PLD if that's the case. I really like sword and shield classes.

>>127346854
It's really that bad. In dungeons you can't hold aggro and the only trial you're useful in right now is thordan.

>>127346661
Tank stance is literally just a buffer for inexperience

As long as you dont go from 100-0 with proper mitigation, you will bet that any world first group will have their tank sitting in DPS stance as long as the tank damage rework isnt anything too serious because there is 0 point to tank stance at that point.

>>127346754
Nah thats what I meant. Even if you pull with Unchained Defiance warrior and then swap to DPS stance, you still need Smokescreen/Shadewalker to compensate the aggro since its not burst aggro that you lose to in a4s, but sustained.

>>127345956
You can hold hate indefinitely in your DPS stance on any tank as long as you manage to hold onto it for the first 10-15 seconds. You just can't hold hate while also doing your own maximum DPS on DRK or PLD unless you get an enmity lead from Shadewalker or an initial tank-stance combo.

>>127346854
It's not too bad to use, but it's worse than the other two tanks by a wide margin. You'll only see the difference at the highest levels of play but once you do it's so stark it's burned into your mind and every time you see a paladin you'll realize how much easier it would be with a warrior.

But i'm pretty sure they're going to buff it in 3.2

>>127346854
People thought DRK was shit, but it actually turned out to be good.

The Savage DPS requirements were so overtuned that PLD was actually a massive liability .

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>>127346727

>muh optimal party

you realize this is literally irrelevant for 90% of raiders, because people overgear the content before they've even cleared it, and dps checks become a non-issue.

but everyone here is a top tier raider challenging for world firsts amirite

>>127347036
for what purpose

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>>127347026
It's also the fact that PLD is straight up harder to heal in A4S than a DRK or a WAR

Its so badly designed its hilarious

>>127346993
>As long as you dont go from 100-0 with proper mitigation, you will bet that any world first group will have their tank sitting in DPS stance

This is contradicted pretty massively by every raid tier prior to Savage Gordias and also by the actual world first clears in Gordias.

>>127347172
who's that handsome devil

>>127347094
Even if it only greatly affects the 1%, having the better set up is still better than not.

>>127346993
Hahaha. Yeah i'd love to see you tank Caduceus at ilvl 70 in sword oath. That would amuse me.

I seriously don't think we've had a harder healing check than launch BCOB and that makes me sad.

>>127347026
DRK is still shit. Alex savage was designed from the ground up to make DRK look good. But it's honestly still a shitshow. Terribly designed class.

>>127347172
PLD needs to be straight up reworked or at the very least massively buffed.

>>127347246
Sorry, correction, "actual world first clears in Gordias for everything except A4S"

>>127347292
>Tanking double dreads for the first time.
>The healers are screaming frantically over mumble.

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>>127346727

>>127347352
But any time anyone suggests pld buffs everyone says "BUT THAT WOULD BE SO BROKEN"

Cause 60% sentinel would be such a game changer.

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>>127346364
'cause all the fuckin.

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>>127346727

>>127347527
did you sniff her butthole yet?

>>127347491
>60% sentinel
for what fucking reason
they could drop it to 30% and nothing would change anyway

>>127347457
>Tanking double dreads
>Pop HG
>Pop sentinel
>Pop bulwark
>scream "KILL IT! KILL IT NOW I GOT NOTHING LEFT!"

>>127347094
Except even the people who aren't clearing week one use the optimal composition because it's more DPS to make up for any mistakes they make.

>>127347601
yes, i've already went through both of our f-lists and she's out at the store picking up a gerbil right now for some experimentation

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xth for Marsy

>>127347467
Aw the widdle c@ is trying to look big.
So cute!

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who is pic related?

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Hot potato

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>>127347602
That's exactly the reason. There's no difference between sentinel and vengeance, except vengeance has more uptime.

If PLD is going to be 'the defensive tank' and stay 300 dps behind dark knight, they need to have defense strong enough to change healer and dps behavior. I also suggested giving Circle of Scorn a 10% magic vuln up effect. By my calculations that alone would reduce the gap to about 100 dps.

>>127347861
please stop posting child porn

>>127347851
vjera

>>127347851
You.

>>127347292
I did do it at early ilvl, the healer check wasnt as bad as you think, you can still feed slimes to the split snakes, and it was mostly that everyone was inexperienced at the game.

Plus the DPS check was literally invisible unless you did the stupid thing where you merged the snakes, and aggro was an issue in sword oath.

>>127347491
PLD needs more CDs, not stronger CDs. You straight up run out for a lot of things because of how long the cooldowns are outside of rampart.

>>127347457
>>127347632
>tfw had babby healers during 2.0 progression who would panic so hard in t4
>healed t4 later in the patch on mules with pf players and really didnt see what the big deal was

nothingis cuter than a female lala DRG

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>>127348106
a female lala monk

Highlander pee

>>127347861
GET BANNED PEDO SCUM

Now I'm bummed out a bit. I'll keep playing PLD and hope for buffs since I don't like the aesthetics of the other two tanks.
Are the devs at least addressing the issues PLD has? Are there other classes doing poorly too?

>>127348106
2 female lala DRG?

>>127348063
>aggro was an issue in sword oath.
Wasnt it bugged for the longest time?

>>127348063
See, i'm trying to work within the original design for paladin. I'm assuming the retardedly long cooldowns are an attempt at making them some kind of burst mitigation tank that takes super low damage from tank busters and makes healing smoother in exchange for needing stronger regens.

In that vein i also suggested reducing rampart's CD to 60s so it lines up with every other cd they have.

>>127347908
>defensive tank
I want this meme to end right now
this game isn't built to have such a thing and even if it was, PLD only has fucking blocking over DRK in terms of sustained defense.

>still cant make fat characters

How is the playerbase expected to self insert then?

Is Dragoon still scrub central ?

>>127348454
bend over i'll show ye

>>127348090
Your original healers were probably awful, but T4 was more trivialized by gear (and I mean gear available while it was on lockout) than pretty much any other fight in Coil. T4 in January was a completely different fight from T4 in October.

>>127348528
Yeah.

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>>127348454
>i will NEVER be able to make an overweight granny ninja

>>127347703
xth for marsy?
xth for mansy

>>127348295
There was a certain way to do it, it wasnt inherent. A lot of people didnt know about it

Regardless, most of BCoBs difficulty came from the inexperience to the game for most players. If you straight up released BCoB now, it would be considered the easiest raid tier up until t5 and then t5 still isnt bad with fixed twisters + instance servers

>>127348402
Again, burst mitigation isnt really important as long as your hp doesnt hit 0. The problem with PLD is you scrape for cooldowns just because timers dont line up well

Sentinel should be 2 minutes, to be honest. Bulwark has no business being 180s either

>>127348631
Some things will never change I guess.

>>127348652
>you will never be nep who got called fat when he cosplayed as a ninja at fan fest and now he shitposts in every /v/ thread mentioning XIV

>>127348781
top kek this is actually a thing?

>PLD can now block all damage
Now Sheltron is good
>Cover uses MP overtime and toggles
Now Cover is good
>Clemency is instant cast
Now this is on par with Equillibrium

>>127348454
>tfw no thick brown highlander waifu with birthing hips

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>>127348851
Yep.

https://youtu.be/BcGbSMPAnhw?t=610

10:10

Why the fuck does PLD have a CD called Sheltron anyway?

Why does PLD have a random-ass machine-based ability right the fuck out of nowhere?

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>>127347491
>Cause 60% sentinel would be such a game changer.
zZz.

Turn Bulwark into this: http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Reprisal , lower its CD to 60s, lower its block adjustment to 40%, append a magic resistance component to it.
>>127348063
>PLD needs more CDs, not stronger CDs.
Clemency and Divine Veil should just be reworked.

Make Clemency instant cast, give it a decent CD, add a Phalanx like effect after the cast that makes it block a static portion of damage for like 6 seconds.

Increase Divine Veil absorption shield to 25% of the PLDs HP, make it trigger-able by the PLD.

Or.

Make it simply give 20% magic damage reduction to all raid members within 20y.

Make Sheltron block all physical damage for 3s and increase magic resistance for 3s. Remove the MP refund from it.

>>127348878
>cover
unless they remove max distance it will always be a meme skill
>clemency ogcd
meh
>block all damage
>30 sec cd extremely good tankbuster mitigation
that would be way too op

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>>127349035

face it boys

XIV is fucked, and S-E have lost the plot

>tune magic damage too high in FCoB
>buff drg mdef
>other raid instances are fine
>drg now forever has high def and same mdef as monk

>>127348860
he talks about the game, you don't.

>>127349164
I just realized 3s is pitiful since I've got WoW on the mind, make it 6s OK, thank you.

>>127349035
>garuda's tits

lordy lordy lordy

>>127348878
Shit, I'd play that.

>>127347467
c@s will never be strong.
You serve as breeding thralls to Femroes and Highlanders.

>>127349197
>that would be way too op
lol then nothing would advocate the meme of "defensive" tank

Why is spiderc@ called spiderc@?

>>127349816
cause they like spiders duh!

>>127349816
someone leaked some logs of them getting bred by a giant spider

>>127349619
Fucksake, at least make them maleroes and -highlanders. Some of us like men attached to those penises.

>>127349619
>no half-roes
>hildebrand only confirmed half-highlander

>>127349164
Clemency wouldnt need a cd since it costs MP and PLD only recovers MP from 1 of its 3 combos.

>>127349770
that would be op without actually fixing anything
damage is still shit, enmity is still shit, tp management is still shit, and you would be able to skip all tankbusters of the game which is clearly not the reason they were included for

>>127350019
>damage is still shit, enmity is still shit, tp management is still shit, and you would be able to skip all tankbusters of the game which is clearly not the reason they were included for
Damn, almost sounds like a trade off or something.

If you want dps, take drk. If you want to be safe, take pld lol holy shit its not hard to understand

>>127350015
It's to balance it and provide a safeguard from retards who think they can just spam it. Just straight up remove the MP cost from it anyway. Iono man, I'm trying.

>>127350154
you don't play the game. you don't even have it installed. you never did. you live here. this is your life. this is what you've amounted to, all your years of education, the parents that raised you, fed you, clothed you. generations of family led to this day. the culmination of your ancestors civilization created..a mad faggot that lives on a 4chan thread and cries about avatarfags all day.

>>127349197

>that would be way too op

Which is why they gave it to warrior instead.

>>127350304
But you can't spam it. You can use it twice(assuming youre at full mp) and then you are practically oom.

>>127348878
>Now this is on par with Equillibrium
No, that's fucking broken, because it's as strong as Equilibrium, can be used more than once per minute, and can target other people (and gives PLD half the healing too). Get good at precasting.

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>>127350154
did someone just mention avatarfagging

>>127349619
my cat could probably beat me up desu

>>127350387
savage

>>127350304
You have to spam it. that's the only way it's fucking useful. You wait til you have enough MP for two of them, fire up convalescence, and cast it twice in a row.

>>127350471
oh noooooo something's better than what warriors have oh nooooooooo what's going to happen oh nooooooooooooooo

>>127350407
You fags sure didn't think it was broken in ARR. Not like WAR ever gets to tank anyway.

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>>127350198
PLD would just be an easy tank that cannot clear endgame raids because it still deals too little damage.

Unless you give PLD a CD that delays the enrage timer, it will fix absolutely nothing.

>>127350019
>enmity is still shit
dps have enmity mitigation for a reason
>tp management is still shit
we have BRD/MCH/NIN for a reason
There's nothing wrong with PLD. It's made to eat hits and keep on eating. The problem is raids requiring tanks to do as much dos as melee classes.

>>127349035
>I gotta keep my grandfathers

Do these fags really go so far as to RP in real life?

>>127350632
shut up

>>127350456
The mana cost means nothing when PLD's MP goes to nothing else.
>Being able to double tap a 1200 potency heal that can crit.
Nah mate. Give Equilibrium two charges then.
>>127350571
Or, just change it to what I originally said so it has a magic resist attached to it.

There's literally no point where casting Clemency twice on yourself would be beneficial.

>>127350478
I think it's safe to say that every person in this thread would get beaten up by their characters with ease.

>>127350471
>fucking broken because muh Equilibrium
>from a tank who just got a DPS stance miles better than Sword Oath
Fuck off.

>>127350620
Because it's not broken and would be just fine on paladin.

>>127350667
Circle of scorn reduces magic resistance by 10. Problem fucking solved.

>>127350863
Not me dude if you saw how many reps and squats I can do you'd quickly change your mind.

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>>127344203
>>127344842
Except I've never denied it, only spoken that I am not into scat or watersports involved with it. But you superfans don't care, so keep on going to other boards and other websites to drag irrelevant things to this thread to pretend you are achieving some sort of "crusade".

>>127350970
Alright then, baldy.

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>>127350863
yea even my lalafell would probably fuck me up honestly
>punched titan's asshole and he died

>>127350970
my lala would fuck u up too dont even lie

>>127351071
Um don't fucking tease me???

>>127350471
>oh no, im not the best at everything now!

lol fuck off wartard, you'd still have way more personal dps and tp sustain.

>>127350667
Except plds extra defense would offset the amount of healing required that healers could dps more or allow the pld to drop ShO, swap to SwO more often. It would essentially function the same as NIN being taken over MNK, but on a smaller scale, and to the point that you have options with different tanks.

>>127350970
can you take thordan's sword to the face irl? can you get exploded by a giant inferno and live? can you get shot by a bunch of arrows and shrug it off? nah bitch kid you'd get slapped and cry on the floor with ur weights