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/vn/ - Cute Bros Doing Cute Things Edition

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Visual Novel General #962

Because best girls never have routes.

READ THE FOLLOWING, THIS IS IMPORTANT

>Having trouble with your VN? Try the following before you ask for tech support:

1. If you downloaded your VN from Fuwanovel/Mofu, you're on your own.
2. Be in Japanese locale
3. Read the Readme
4. Read the wiki below
5. Google it

>FAQs, Recommendations, and Other Useful Things:
http://visual-novels-general.wikia.com/wiki/

>Need a novel with a specific element?
http://vndb.org/g

>What's wrong with Fuwanovel/Mofu?
http://pastebin.com/s6Me2D9i

>Visual Novel Translation Status
https://warosu.org/jp/?task=search2&search_tripcode=%21%21UcDDlzwANFs&search_op=op

>Download Links:
http://pastebin.com/U7HUj0fk

Previous thread:
>>127106418
http://pastebin.com/zeiYgLrs

This general is exclusively for the discussion of English translated Japanese visual novels.
If you see a blatant shitposter, report and ignore.

Kindly use spoiler tags appropriately when discussing plot spoilers to facilitate smooth discussion.
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Kind reminder to follow the rules, let's make this a fun place for everyone to discuss.
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10/10

i can see how this is going to play out
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I K I K O I
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>>127185306
Fuck was meant to put Maya but whatever. If Makoto had one she'd surely be on the top. Right?
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>>127187558
you dont fuck your bros, do you?
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Hmm, I could swear Maya's voice is familiar. Specially the way she says "da zo". Guess I'll check who is the VA.

>>127187215
Her "Shinjirarenai! Shinjirarenai!" makes me diamonds.

>>127187634
>MMXVI Anno Domini of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
>not wanting to lovingly nurture a bromance with a cute bro girl
What, are you gay or something?
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AWWW YEEEE
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>>127187698
At least find new pictures, yurishitposter-kun. It's getting boring.

>>127187810
>that Sena face
Every. Fucking. Time.
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Please tell me her route has anal
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>>127187864
Yuri never gets boring.
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>>127188065
Not even Sena route has anal.
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>>127188108
you are only becoming the new lenposter. Fucking stop it.
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>>127188065
Seems like none in the game do. I almost dropped it when I found out. Pretty fucking cruel of the devs, specially after how strongly Sena teases about you putting it in her cute little pink starfish.
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>>127188170
Post Len.
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>>127188161
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>>127188161
Sena route doesn't have anal?? Fuck you with your spoilers
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Objectively the cutest.
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>>127188745
hes got a point tho
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>>127188904
Please don't feed the trolls. Sage.
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>>127188469
not even close buddy
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What are Len's best moments? When she's eating cake? When she's running around fixing things? When she's relaxing in the park?
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Kagetsu Tohya remake when?
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>>127189501
Tomorrow. Today was a good day, but now it's time to get some rest.
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>>127189571
Good idea.
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>>127189501
Right after
All-Ages version of Tsukihime
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>Konosora has an Anal Sex tag strength of 1.1, yet only Ageha has a very brief anal moment in part of a single h-scene
I feel ripped off.

What's the difference between Boob Wars: Big Boobs vs Flat Chests and UltimateBoob Wars!! ~Big Breasts vs Flat Chests~? Is the latter a sequel? VNDB lists it as an alternative, so is it an enhanced version?
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So I've been thinking of playing Aselia again and am wondering if it's worth it to get the true route.

Years back, I've tried twice on different but eventually got bored finishing 5 routes at most.

Is the true route really worth it going through all that slogfest again?
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>>127190775
You could just blow through the remaining playthroughs on easy mode to make them as quick as possible.
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So, I'm not particularly interested in Noble Works, but I've been seeing this red-headed "bro" girl being posted here recently. However, she's not on the main cover... is she really not a heroine?
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>>127190978
I think I did that but doing the last lab was still a pain as you had to keep going from one corner to the other.

Ah well. Maybe third time's the charm.

>>127190502
Both have different stories and the first has a minigame in it.

The latter is much better.
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>>127191463
Nope
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>>127191616
So she doesn't have a route?
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>>127191790
She does not.
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>>127191927
And there goes all my interest in this game whatsoever. Thanks for the heads up, I'd hate to have found out after downloading all 16 parts off erogedownload.
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>>127191927
It's fine. Sena is the only one who matters anyway
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>>127192031
>Not Maya
Even Makoto agrees
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>>127191579
Yeah, that map is terrible. Still, you can send squads in multiple different directions to cut down on backtracking.
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Short shorts - best clothing on sprites? Can't think of a sprite with shorts shorts that I didn't like.
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>>127192476
I remember that's still what I did but since MC and whoever was chosen is the only one viable, it was still pretty shit.

Except the princess route. IO best girl.

Fuck, now I really want to play this again. Hope the sequel is almost finished in translation alst I heard.
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>>127193162
Hm? You're talking about the last map of the game right with all the little unlocking crystals and stuff right? I know Takios and Temuorin would drag your full party all the way across the map but I don't think anyone else did.
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>>127193524
Well, it's been years so I can't remember much.

I just remember it being a pain to do it so many times, even pre immortal sword.

Hopefully the true ending is worth it.
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>>127191995
The others are still great tho. Cant help but feel like you are missing out.
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>>127193681
No idea, never seen it either. I've never had the patience to get Tokimi's ending.
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>>127193932
Nah, doubt it. Looks like a generic moege and none of the other characters appeal to me. I wanted that bro-girl character and no-one else. Why must best girl never have a route?

Know of any other similar bro-girl characters?
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>>127194037
Benkei from Majikoi? A-1 isn't out yet though. And there's this one lesbian in Harukoi that you can teach the way of the dick after checking out your classmates together.
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>>127194175
Benkei is definitely on my radar, and A-1 will be my priority as soon as it is translated.

I don't really like Harukoi's art-style.

Thank you anyway.
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https://vndb.org/v5884
What the fuck is with old games and needlessly tilting everything?
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>>127194489
tiny resolution.
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>>127194523
But look at that CG. Woulda been fine untilted.
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>>127194595
dunno. maybe they're just retarded
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Ayakashibito:
>45 - 50 hour long
>45 minutes of original music
Why is this allowed?
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i'm looking at the first grisaia on vndb. It says an unrated version was released on 08-28. What's the difference between the original 18+ vn and unrated versions?
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>>127195351
One is unrated
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>>127195351
Bees have anal sex with your mother while your father is fisted by Tom Green during his time in Japan. Literally the only difference.
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>>127192597
The best is visible thong-straps.
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>play game
>look forward to heroine falling in love with MC in a slow and perhaps subtle way
>instead, MC suddenly rapes her
>not even a rape game
Why
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Why did 5pb games block their YouTube channel in the usa? What do they have to gain from me not being able to watch videos about their VNs.
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>>127194489
>old games
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>>127196690
5pb hates you personally.
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>>127196690
Filthy gaijin pigs are not allowed to read superior nihon visual novels folded 1000 times.
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>>127197019
Considering they released chaos; child as an xbone exclusive and only cared to translate (and milk the fuck out of) steins; gate I hate them too.
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> No Makoto route.

Why do the best characters in any moege never have a route?

Anyway, I finished Noble Works.

Akari >= Maya > Hinata = Sena > Shizuru. There is no room for debate.
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>that jump scare on subahibi
Shit got real spooky
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Anyone played Deardrops? If so, what order should I go in?
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>>127196478
Crescendo?
>>127197971
I want to argue with you but that's pretty much exactly what I said the other day.

Say something stupid so I can argue with you.
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>>127199208
Uhou Renka
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Has anyone played Eiyuu Senki? The brown grills are one point.

>>127199001
Riho and Kanade are pretty much the only good routes. The other two are quite mediocre.
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>>127199731
I was pretty much aiming for Riho thus far so thats nice.
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>start a VN
>halfway through second route
>family comes over for a week
fucking hell what terrible timing. I just want to marathon this till the end.
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>>127199731
Still hopelessly waiting for GOLD to get translated so the rest of the grills get h-scenes
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>>127200013
Keep reading it and when h-scenes come up pull out your dick and start jacking off.That will make them think twice about coming over again.
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>>127200094
I can't read VNs if there is any outside noise and the lights aren't out.

I like to get under a blanket with a big cup of earl grey in the dark for maximum comfiness. Anything less is unacceptable.
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>>127200280
>earl grey
Superior taste right here
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>>127200343
with a splash of honey
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>>127200075
>Still hopelessly waiting for GOLD to get translated
Thanks anon, you're the first person to make me laugh in 2016.
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June 16th, 2015 - The first editing pass is (virtually) complete. Now for a second editing pass and QC. Hopefully this only takes around a month.
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>>127200280
>>127200427
>earl grey
Plebeians detected.
Gunpowder is much better, it doesn't even need a bit of honey.
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>>127196845
Ugly loli
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Anyone have the latest subahibi patch? I'm tired of waiting. Herkz can go fuck himself.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2DSESxxBIQ

I never thought a girl would compete with Usami Bin Laden for a spot as my #1. After finishing her route, I need to go to bed and think some things over.
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In Grisaia of Memes, is the area of Sakaki's flashback/story as a child and about her little brother in the common route? Feels like I'm in her route when I could have sworn I picked Sachi's route.
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>>127202982
You must've accidentally entered the secret harem route
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>>127203057
Had me for a second. You're funny, anon.
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Lolis are for loving.
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>>127204578
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>>127204578
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Is this https://vndb.org/v979 any fun or should I not?
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>>127205251
>Hime girl
>Translated
Into the back log.
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>>127205251
>Imouto
Backlog
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>>127205251
Meh. You teach a cool lesbian the power of penis but otherwise the art is bad, the MC is bad and the writing is mediocre.
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>>127205518
Incest is wrong. Say no to imoutos!
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>>127205616
But imoutos and cute boys are the only things that get me off now adays.
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>>127205691
Has anyone ever told you that you're a fucking degenerate?
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>>127205532
>You teach a cool lesbian the power of penis

Well that sounds nice. Guess I'll try it out but yeah the art does seem pretty bad.
Though I'm used to bad MCs already so I doubt I'll mind that very much.
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>>127206887
Play koihime instead.
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>>127205708
Why not fuck them together? Moege need more harem ending!
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>>127207054
There's a harem patch.
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>>127207028
The combat is disgusting
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>tfw you finish a VN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upkYQqbrjSc
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>>127207650
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>>127207425
>patch
You mean the 3P route? That isn't what I want.
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>>127207775
There's an untranslated harem patch.
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>>127207650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-cF6PRCcVY#t=3362
>mfw end of MLA
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>>127207650
Just finished Pt1 of Higurashi and am now torn between wanting to kill mangagamer and waiting for them to finish Bokuten. Monday can't come soon enough.
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>>127207837
Aint that a bitch.
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So just started Noble Works and it's pretty obvious from the prologue that this is Prince and the Pauper.

Does the MC Ntr the dude while he's pretending to be him? Cause that blows.
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>>127207934
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>have about 30 VNs downloaded
>have played only 5
I'm doing something wrong, aren't I?
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>>127208153
>tfw experience the backlog phenomenon in every area of life
It's time to optimize.
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>>127208029
There is no NTR because he doesn't have a girlfriend or friends in general.
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>>127208214
Well, that's cool. Meant more that I don't like the idea of the chick falling for the MC while he's pretending to be another dude.

As long as there's no cliche drama involving "Oh no! You weren't him all along! I can't love you anymore", as most interpretations of this kind of story go, then I'm all good I guess.
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>>127208153
That's nothing. I have a massive backlog for not only VNs, but also animu, mango, LN, books, k/jdramas and later TV series/movies for when I get bored of weeb media (lol). Doesn't help that I also watch like 8 airing anime every season and post on 4chan 16 hours a day.
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>>127207650
>tfw revisiting MLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H529fng2Sfw#t=261s
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>>127208347
Shuri ends up falling for the same girl as the protagonist in one route, but the protag met her first and basically nothing comes of it.
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>>127208153
No, I have probably finished 25+ VNs but started 100+

Lots are not worth finishing. You can always go back to them if you run out of better material
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>>127208375
I'm dreading the time I'll be rereading that.
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>>127208460
I'm guessing that's that kouhai chick.

Anyways, the game is light enough so I guess I'll continue.

I just hope there isn't too much drama when the MC reveals he's not Shuri.

Thanks anyways.
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>>127208375
I skipped through the beginning but damn does this song ever evolve into something great. Is this like post-rock combined with hip-hop?
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>>127208572
Who cares about Kouhai? Only Sena and Mayaslightly matter
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>>127208572
A lot of the drama is not related to the identity shit. Except Hinata's route, so you might want to avoid doing her first.
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>>127208609
The rap ruin the song pretty massively. Much better without it.
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>>127208725
Oh thank god.

If you mean because of the identity stuff, then Imight as well do hers first to get it over with.

As there's no true route, I think, there's no recc route order right?
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>>127208803
Not really. I personally went Akari>Maya>Hinata>Shizuru>Sena but I regretted not saving Maya for last.
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>>127208803
I did Akari, Sena, Shizuru, Maya, Hinata. They're all basically okay apart from Shizuru.

And there actually is identity drama in the latter three routes but it's over pretty quickly in all of them.
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Do you even need any strategy to beat Koihime Musou?
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>>127209281
There is no true game over in that vn is there? Don't they just tell you that you suck and give you more units or something?
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>>127209281
Not really.

There's a certain battle that usually gets me but most of the time you could just wing it. You can skip battles in subsequent playthings anyways if I could recall.

>That pain of getting the harem route and having to watch that damn ending scene that can't be skipped.
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>>127209281
lolno
It's basically rock paper scissors except the AI can only use one or two and it's not random. If you know it then you can beat everything.
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>>127209281
I used the exact same formation for every single battle and this strategy only failed me on what was one of the last two or three battles of the game. Then I went back to spamming the same formation.
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>>127208782
There's an instrumental, but the 'rap' is good in this one. It only has the pacing and pronunciation common with rap, otherwise it's something completely different.
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>>127210153
GAAAAY
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I just realised that Makoto and Eleanor has the same seiyuu.

I can finally pretend that she has a route.
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>>127210950
Why is she a chicken?
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Reminder to report and ignore.
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>>127210989
A donkey.
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>>127210989
Because she loves cock.
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>>127211594
>a world without even a gameboy
Now that's a dystopian alternate future right there.
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Just finished Hina's route, it did absolutely nothing for me. Maybe I'm just burnt out on vns at the moment but everything about it I felt like I'd seen before and better done. It had nothing of interest, the conflict was a copy of Shizuru's route, the ending was a copy of Akari's route and even Hinata was a pretty standard kohai type.
3/10

Hopefully Maya's will be better.
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>>127212670
That's what you get for reading generic moege.
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>>127212641
I bet nintendium could have withstood the laser class.
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>>127212670
>>127212825
This desu senpai, you brought it on yourself.
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>>127212894
Man, Super Nintendos were though as hell. I can't even remember how many I dropped that thing like an idiot, and it never stopped working.
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>>127212825
>>127212934
I know, but that just makes me want to see moege that actually has some substance.
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>>127212987
Moe is the substance of moege, and Hinata is moe, so there.
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>>127212987
>moege that actually has some substance
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>>127212894
You are now imagining Iwata punching a Destroyer class in the face.
RIP
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>>127212987
>moege with substance
That's directly contradictory to the entire genre, you imbecile. It's an art form that depends on base physical attributes rather than any higher meaning. It's like porn of the visual novel industry; A plumber comes to clean your pipes, wink win.
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Michiru a best.
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>>127199731
I only played Gold since I was told that the story didn't matter much. Magic Units had losts of versatility
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>>127212987
VNs usually don't reach a very high level of Moe, like anime and manga do.
At best you have Ikikoi, which is more comedy than moe.
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>>127212987
The problem with Moege is the self-inserting people after the porn.
Thanks to that you can't have Cute Girls Doing Cute things, so all-ages would make moege better.
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>>127213049
Hinata is fucking boring.

>>127213163
>contradictory to the entire genre
Why though? Why settle for bland, emotionally manipulative garbage when you could have a story that earns it's emotional moments through plot and characterisation?

>It's an art form that depends on base physical attributes rather than any higher meaning.
The ideas of base physical attributes and higher meaning are not mutually exclusive. Shit almost all good film is built on the idea of understanding the audience's instinctive expectations and using camera work to mange them.
The Lego Movie is a fucking great film, both as a piece of distraction and a piece of art because of how it mixes it's higher meaning(what it means to create) in with it's more base visceral parts (it's comedy/action).

>porn of the visual novel industry
that's called nukige

>A plumber comes to clean your pipes
Look man, the issue I have with shitty moege isn't that it's light-hearted and cutesy. It's that uses it's cuteness to try to cover up the fact that it has no emotional or thematic core. Whether or not the story is designed to make you feel good or not, an actual story will heighten the experience.
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>>127214334
You don't understand moe.
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>>127214334
Look, cuteness *is* the substance of the genre, not story. You might find something with some of that character development and emotional rollercoaster in the genre, but that's like looking for Kafka in the erotic literature section.
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>>127214371
>>127214402
Anyone who reads Moege doesn't understand Moe. It's the lowest expression of Moe.
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>>127214371
>>127214402
Yeah moe is the substance of moege, but it's still a story. I'm not looking for a transcendent experience I just want the genre to stop being quite so dull.
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>>127195286
I still can't forget how shitty that was.
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>>127214334
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>>127214729
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164th for Saber.
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>>127214591
Then you are a minority. A lack of a real story is another trait of the moe genre.
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>>127214792
Ha, you suck.
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167th for filicide.
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>>127214773
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>>127214814
I got the right number though, reddit.
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>>127214729
You have a shitty taste in Chiakis.
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>>127214813
I'm cool with being a minority. I just want people to understand my view.
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>>127214891
People don't really care.
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What is the best version of "Emiya"?
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>>127214891
I don't really care.
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>>127214813
Pleb.
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>>127214873
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>>127215017
>>127214873
>>127214773
>>127214729
>>127214591
Can you guys calm down with the memes?
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>>127214952
Lately I think it's CCC's, but I haven't listened to them all in a row in a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YK75nc2lBE
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>>127215017
>>127214887
I'm very sorry
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>>127215054
I like lolis.
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>>127214967
>>127214924
Hence the (You)s I got.

>>127215054
Absolutely not

>>127215085
pic related
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>>127215017
>good-for-nothing
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>>127215117
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>>127215220
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>>127215250
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We Maya route now
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>>127215250
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How many hours a day do you read /vn/? I have a pretty hard time reading for longer periods.
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>>127215406
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>>127215417
Majikoi is pretty enjoyable so far. Yamato's alpha as fuck, every character is funny, and the art is decent. Looking forward to reading the sequels.
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>>127215448
It's been a long time since I've read a VN.
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>>127215458
>>127215448
honestly i spent half of the time reading Noble Works making memes
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>>127215448
37.
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>>127215557
what a day doesn't even have 37 hours?!

wait did you lie about this? why the h*ck would you do that?
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>>127215550
It feels good to have inspired the creation of OC
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>>127215550
>People seriously think image macros are memes now
What a time to live in.
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>>127215646
Well I think the idea of an image macro has become somewhat of a meme, in that there's a standard layout that's proliferated.
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>>127215085
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>>127215784
Good taste
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>>127216341
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Sena number 2 girl in 2010

http://getchu.com/pc/2010_g_ranking/chara.html
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>>127216341
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>>127216858
Good taste, what's with that lone guy in the entire ranking though?
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>>127216858
>Madoka number 1

At least sometimes Japan has good taste.
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>>127216858
>>127217457
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Trace, on.
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I am the bone of my sword
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Steel is my body and fire is my blood
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I have created over a thousand blades
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I remember the red color.
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Of my sister's vagina.
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>>127194489
Why would you play old games?
Graphics are bad even for eroge.
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>>127218194
Shiki shouldn't you be hunting vampires?
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>>127218224
This 2bh. I cringe everytime someone pretends garbage like YUNO is good.
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>>127218259
Good thing I don't pretend.
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How long is Noble Works?
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>>127218252
>>127218194
>I remember the red color.
Wait? Was this a Tsukihime meme all along?
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>>127208153
I have over 400 in the backlog and I'm playing one at a time.
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>>127218341
Comyu is based on Tsukihime, so yes.
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>>127218432
At least you're playing new ones. I think I've spent 2 months replaying Majimeme.
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I dropped Majikoi because of Miyako's route.
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>>127218597
Why? Haven't played her route.
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>>127218597
I would have dropped it too if that was the first route I played.
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>>127218662
Here's how her route goes.
>they become boyfriend/girlfriend
>sex
>sex
>sex
>oh wait, all we're doing is having sex, lets break up
>drama happens
>oh wait, now that we're not having sex lets get back together
>sure, oh but i'm leaving for another country lol
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>>127218778
Meant for >>127218641
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Unknown to Death, Nor known to Life
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>>127218778
Wow good job spoiling a whole fucking route
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>>127218778
Wow. I'm glad I dropped it.
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Have withstood pain to create many weapons
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>>127218913
Dumbledore also dies in Harry Potter.
And in The Sixth Sense, the guy was a ghost all along.
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>>127218778
Anything sounds stupid when you put it like that, and the sex wasn't even why Yamato wanted to break up with her in the first place.
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>>127218778
wtf?
why?
This contradicts her entire character fuck you Takahiro.
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That is not death which can eternal lie.
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Yet, those hands will never hold anything
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So as I pray, unlimited blade works.
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>>127218960
I'd fuck the necronomicon.
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And with strange eons even death may die.
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>>127218950
>Dumbledore
You're supposed to spoil that Nagisa dies.
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Is Princess Evangelion good?
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>>127218597
>>127218778
Wasn't it generally accepted that Miyako's route was the worst? You can't get any lower that hers. Closest is probably Chris's route. Her route's drama was ridiculously dragged on, but it's still better than Miyako's.
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>>127219132
>generic moege
Hell no.
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>>127218337
30-50 hours
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>>127218778
At least Miyako wasn't a HUGE SLUT like her mother.
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>>127219156
Miyako had the best epilogue. Not the after story but the part after the credits where it shows she's pregnant. Shit was cute as fuck.
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>>127219156
At least it me made realize that there's no point to keep the story going when the protag is finally dating the heroine.
I can't believe the whole "hurr its not about the destination but da journey!!!" argument is actually true.
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>>127219372
>read bad vns
>think their mistakes apply to everything
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>>127219246
I wish the game had a slut route in which the girl cucks you.
Miyako's mom was perfect.
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>>127219372
I disagree.
Whilst reading cripple dating simulator the only actually good route was Lilly, and that's only because it continued on for a while rather than just hitting a brick wall made of "WELP YOU ARE DATING GAME OVER"
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>>127219454
>cuckold fetish
worst fetish , kill yourself
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>>127219454
Name a translated charage/moege with a good route that doesn't end when the MC is in a relationship with the girl then.
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>>127219454
I think there's a word to describe someone like you.
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>>127219534
Kotori love exp
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>>127219507
But it literally embodies true love.
>girl your dating is fucking another man
>every night she comes back to you
Her heart already belongs to you, if that's not true love then I don't know what is.
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>>127219539
KEK
U
C
K
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Do normies actually fap less than 3 times a week?
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>>127219534
>reading moege
Read real VNs anon.
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>>127219132
It's average. I can't speak for others but I found MC generic as fuck. And all the better girls are stuck in a fandisc. I only managed to do Ritsuko's route before losing interest.
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>>127219640
What's wrong being muslim apologist?
They kill jew ffs
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>>127219613
Okay, either you're joking or something is seriously fucked in your head. You should fix it.
Use the good ol' method of fixing it; hit it with something hard until it works.
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Is F/SN the Citizen Kane of Visual Novel?
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>>127220021
No.
It's the Avatar.
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>>127220021
Fate is more like the A Clockwork Orange or Barry Lyndon of VNs.
Tsukihime is the Citizen Kane.
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>You will never save Kohaku
;_;
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>>127220419
Sluts don't deserve saving.
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>>127220419
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>>127220173
Well what Fate has done is sorta what Citizen Kane has done which was redefined what VNs (Movies) could really do, comparing this to other mainstream oldies like Clannad, Ever 17, or even those of the floppy disc era. At least for the western or english land. Tsukihime probably did this for Japan unless there's an older more acknowledged one I can't think of.

It's also a classic that still somewhat holds up till now.

Also, both have that spoiler shit that everyone knows Redman and Sled.

Not sure why'd you say Clockwork Orange though.
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>>127220419
Bitch deserved it.
Good thing her route isn't canon.
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>>127220464
Baits don't deserve attention.
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>>127220538
Jo had the hottest h-scene, granted there were only like 3.
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>>127220491
What's this scene?
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>>127220498
Because Kubrick's films revolutionized films in a more subtle way than Citizen Kane, not because they were worse or less inventive but because by that point it was already a much more developed medium.
Fate is already a lot like Tsukihime, so its innovations were smaller.
You could replace Kubrick with Tarkovsky.

>>127220624
When Kohaku poisoned Shiki and he goes mad and rapes her.
Her plan backfired, and she deserved worse still.
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Does anyone have that comparison picture with the starting bits of FSN, with the original, Takajun translation, and some random /a/non's translation?

I'm starting on vita version of realta nua and I'm really appreciating his writing here.
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>>127220731
Which route? Ciel's?
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>>127220796
I think it was Hisui's, but I could be wrong.
I'm certain it wasn't Akiha or Arcueid's route.
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>>127220731
I could get behind that. I mainly meant the great use of effects but I guess it was more it was already somewhat there in Tsukihime.

On that note, Muvluv is probably VN's equivalent of Hitchcock. I kid.
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>>127220768
Do you mean that part with the Steel being like a Bell or something?
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>>127220796
Yes Ciel's.
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>>127221203
Yeah, that one.
I think I had it puushed and bookmarked, but it seems like I lost it.
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>>127221123
Translated right?
Because muv luv is average at best.
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>>127221514
Sure it is, enjoy your moe moe I rabu u bullshit.
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>>127221514
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What does /lit/ think of Nasu's stuff?
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>>127221709
Why don't you ask them?
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>>127221709
I think it needs to be at least 10 years older before /lit/ will read it.
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>>127221815
>reading modern liberal shit
pleb
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>>127221514
I don't know what you mean by translated but Sure.

Muv Luv is sorta like..Star Wars, I guess. It's not really a masterpiece of the medium, at most an 8. But it's pretty popular and people hype it up a lot..
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>>127221815
It has to be at least 100 years old or contain literal gibberish prose like Ulysses.
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>>127222146
It even has its own prequels!
Cough cough muv luv extra and unlimited
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Who is red man?
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>>127222293
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>>127218960
>death
*dead
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>>127222146
It's hyped up for good reason, because it's good.

I'd like to know what vn you consider better than Muv Luv.
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>>127222835
Not him, but anything by Nasu and most things by Romeo.
Muv-Luv is at least a 10/10 though.
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>>127222957
>Muv-Luv is at least a 10/10 though.
lolk
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>>127222957
>10/10
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>>127222680
>giant a are you faggot fucking
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>>127223093
Giant A must be some hardcore faggot to go faggot fucking
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>>127223093
>he doesn't know how to read mangas
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>>127223172
Yeah that fucking giant A fucking faggot faggot fucker I'd fuck that fucker in that faggot fucker's fuck.
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>>127223203
Fuck off to reddit
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>>127222835
Hey, Muvluv's pretty good. I liked it enough to go through all routes. I could even say I liked more of Extra than Alt. It's just that it's overhyped but that doesn't mean it's good.

I can't really say I like any VN more than another. VN's, for me, are better judged for the experience the give you. I could say I liked something like Devin on a G-String more than Muv Luv as it gave me a better experience, but I wouldn't say it's better.

I think it's just cause it took me weeks to finish Extra and Unlimited which was exhausting to read through and for Alternative, I read all of it in one go, and, while the ending was great, all i remember from the ride was exhaustion.
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>>127223093
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>>127223450
>Devin on a G-String
Damn it Devin, stop getting into my posts.
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>>127212670
I loved it personally.
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>>127223450
>I liked more of Extra than Alt
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>>127222957
Speaking of Romeo and Key

Anyone tried ONE? I'm interested in that one blind heroine thanks to Memorial. Is it any good?
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>>127223450
>Hey, Muvluv's pretty good.
>just that it's overhyped but that doesn't mean it's good.
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>>127223657
Please don't associate Romeo's genius with Key's mediocrity.
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>>127223628
I dunnow man. At the start at least it was fun and stuff...the first time through. The routes are pure shit though but I was drawn in to that wacky crazy highschool life which was why I loved the epilogue of Alternative so much. Not a fan of Sumika though. She's just okay for me.

I think Unlimited just went down for me because I read the manga before hand.
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>>127223450
>I liked more of Extra than Alt.
>Devin on a G-String
>all i remember from the ride was exhaustion
Don't even play VNs anymore
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I'd eat her Főzelék, if you know what I mean.
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>>127223782
Fucking Reddit.
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>>127223782
You like Muv-Luv for all the wrong reasons.
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>>127223742
*It's as good as everyone hypes it up to be.
There. I mean, I thought that would be implied and easy to understand, though?

>>127223787
Actually, I don't. it just sorta stopped being fun for a long time. Couldn't even get past that much of Majikoi when it was still 90~ done.

Just here to see if anything interesting has popped up.
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>>127223869
Is this the FD?
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>>127223914
>just back from Reddit to show you guys my awful shit opinions and blog
Kill yourself.
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>>127223914
>Actually, I don't
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>>127223914
Jesus Christ get out.

>>127223993
Even reddit has better taste desu senpai.
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>>127223782
>>127223909
What that cunt said.
Extra was awful and cringey, but established the nakige part. Unlimited established the setting and began the wild ride. Then Alternative kicks you in the balls and makes you watch as all of your friends die one by one, then makes you go back to the cringe fest of Extra.

But you got Sumika being a cunt right.
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>>127223873
Not from Reddit, but ironically, I started getting into VN's through Fakku, which I know people hate as much nowadays.

They had this recomended list of VNs with the big 3 being F/SN, Clannad, and Ever 17. It had megaupload links and everything.
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>>127224148
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>>127223914
Obviously everyone has different experiences with vns just like with every form of media.

Muv Luv is considered good by a lot of people and they hype it up because compared to a lot of things that they've read it is just better. Of course that doesn't mean it's gonna be that great for everyone, but for me personally it lived up to the hype 100%. It was a great ride and I had read a good amount of vns before going in.

I marathoned the entire series as well and just wanted more of that universe and setting.
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Is the muv luv TL okay?
I heard the patch got issues.
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>>127224907
It's fine, I don't know where you heard it has issues.
It'll probably be better than the memetastic upcoming translation.
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>>127224907
It's good. Ixrec translated it.......................

But if you still have doubts just wait for the official localization.
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>>127225004
>>127225015
I'm going to play it then.
What am I getting into?
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>>127225015
>.......................
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>>127225198
Leave before you're spoiled.
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>>127225198
Takeru is the shoe man.
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Too lazy to try it out but in Noble Works, what happens if you reject the deal and stuff?

Is there like a far side (Meido/Commoner) and near side (Rich)?
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>>127225480
You get a game over. It's like Euphoria's first choice of staying in the room or not.
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I want to play VNs but at the same time I want to play RuneScape.
My laptop can't handle both.
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>>127225015
>>127224907

Muv Luv and MLA's translation are trash, they called new editors and Koestl to fix Ixrec's mess.
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>>127225842
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>>127225813
>tfw I want to play VNs but at the same time I don't want to waste my life away
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>>127225813
>RuneScape

Is it 2001 again and no one can talk on the phone in the house because I'm playing runescape?
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>>127226027
I tried playing other MMOs but honestly, they're not that fun. All the new ones are shit and all the old ones tries too hard to be like the new ones.
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>>127225842
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>Finish visual novel
>Decide to do other routes as well
>After few minutes I realise it will be like cheating on my first girl and feel bad
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What do you think about Shiki and Shirou?
Their beliefs, the way they live their lives, etc.
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>>127228503
I have a small penis.
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>>127228227
Love knows no bounds.
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>>127228503
Can Shiki kill Shirou?
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>>127228227
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>>127228572
Yes, but would die after from having overused his eyes to destroy Shirou's projections.
Ryougi Shiki vs Shirou would be interesting, because she probably wouldn't die from killing Shirou's projections, but she is also much slower than Tohno, so I think she would simply lose to Shirou.
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>>127228553
>>127228642
Riho is my dream girl. You even fucking marry her in the end (I think that´s how every route should end). But Nagisa is so hot...
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>>127228710
>Nerds like this actually exist
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>>127228775
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>>127228775
If you don't know at least that much about the Nasuverse you don't belong here.
That much is basic knowledge from the source materials and Nasu's answers.
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>>127228227
The worst feeling
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>>127228985
>>127228834
Whatever nerd, I read it then ditched it. Sure the experience was fun, but like I give a fuck about the mechanics of some shitty fantasy world thought up by some slant eyed cuck.
If you actually do, then you should probably kill yourself.
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>>127228710
I never did get an answer when I asked last thread. Can Shiki kill Aristoteles?
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>>127229071
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>>127229130
It's true though.
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>>127229124
No, they don't have a concept of death, so the MEoDP won't do anything to them.
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>your favorite girl has the absolute worst route
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>>127229504
It's probably because she was shit and you have shit taste.
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>>127229275
But then what does them being 'killed' like Type-Saturn count as? I know that Type-Moon specifically can't die, because Shiki specifically says that MEoDP doesn't work on it, but what about the rest?
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>>127229546
You're really rude.
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>>127229610
I try my best.
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>>127228762
It's okay, just fall further into Nagisa's bosom
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>>127228762
>being this autistic
Jesus christ, they're imaginary characters
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>>127229785
>Not being dovoted to you're waifu
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>>127229596
They can be harmed and "destroyed", but it might be something like killing Roa's host.
There are no details of how it works exactly.
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>>127229785
Fuck off.
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My F4 key is stuck, that's annoying.
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>>127229915
>Having a slut as waifu.
She would be ok with any other man.
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>>127229956
Pop it out then.
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>>127229915
>being devoted to a virtual character which many other people fucked over the years along with you
Autism speaks.
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>>127229941
It's a shame, that there's so little to go off of. I really do think Notes is the coolest part of the Nasuverse.
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>holy shit this game sounds amazing
>it's yuri/yaoi/female protagonist

into the trash it goes.
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>>127230602
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>>127230728
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
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What's up with all this yurishit recently?
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>>127230832
/vn/ is pretty much /u/'s staging grounds.
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>>127230832
Only takes a couple shitposters to post a lot of shit.
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>>127230907
No.
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>>127230832
Counter memeposting to the gahkthun is otome memeposting.
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>>127230978
>gahkthun is otome memeposting.
But it's not a meme.
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>>127230534
Notes really is good and very different. It's such a strange combination of a story and a material book, with every page having both novel writing and encyclopedic definitions of the world's history and magic terms as they show up.
Somehow it works, and I would like more like it.
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Who Saber here?
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16 erogedownload parts?
Better rev up those captchas.
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>>127231313
http://webmshare.com/play/PqYr0
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>>127231283
>tfw no notes vn with v/v route
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Neon x Tesla is the best pairing in visual novels.
Name pairings that are almost as good as them.
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>>127232230
Ur mum and I
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Kurisu and Okabe is one.
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FSN would be much better without Saber, or if she wasn't a moeblob made to appeal to moefags.
Ironically, that is what makes the game popular.
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>>127232628
Hello Reddit
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>>127231439
Why is she so goddamn cute?
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>>127232759
Because you touch yourself at night.
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>>127232628
Saber isn't all that moe, she just has certain Yamato Nadeshiko traits which japan loves irrationally.
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How is kara no kyoukai?
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>>127232673
Go back to reddit and fap to your catgirls.
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>>127232526
How about my face and your cock?
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>>127232874
The novels? shit in every sense.
The movies are ok.
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>>127232960
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>>127233096
Are there any VN writers that actually write novels?
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What do you do while waiting your 7 hours and 30 minutes for the next VN to download anon?
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>>127233110
worst fucking flavor
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>>127232230
Like all of them? They have no chemistry and Tesla comes off as kind of abusive.
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>>127232874
It's by Nasu, so it's automatically kami-whatever.
One of the movies doesn't adapt the novel very well (it skips things like teenage prostitution), but the rest are very good.
It also has the most in-depth talk about Origins.

>>127233096
Kill yourself.
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>>127233213
Watanabe Ryouichi
Tanaka Romeo
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>>127233213
Maruto, Romeo, Urobuchi, Looseboy. Sakurai.
Nasu is like the only one that can't.
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>>127233213
Nasu wrote Notes, which was a weird novel.
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>>127232882
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>>127233409
What about Mahoyo? That was a novel.
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>>127233409
Scaji can't because if he did then the literary world would tear his pretentious pseudo intellectual bullshit to shreds, and then the cult of moogy wouldn't be able to circlejerk about how deep his stuff is anymore.
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>>127232960
But anon, catgirls are not exclusive to reddit.
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>>127233409
>Maruto made SaeKano
Woah. Others seem kind of irrelevant or have only one good work though.
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>>127233216
>7 hours and 30 minutes for the next VN to download

What the fuck?
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>>127233543
that was never published, the only few copies of that was shown to a few of his friends and then was forgotten.
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>>127233758
Sounds like a 15 or 16 part erogedownload.
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>>127232882
>>127233528
Post the one with the nipple.
>>
Why isn't School Days in the recommended VN list?
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>>127233807
Still got written!
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>>127233887
Im sure someone will with the threadly dose.

You have to Umi with moderation.
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>>127233881
But why?
Rutracker and nyaa should have everything erogedownload does, right?
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>>127234034
Not everything has seeders.
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>>127234034
>nyaa
wut?
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>>127234029
The game bores me to tears, but I find Umi incredibly cute
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>>127234087
Hello Reddit
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>>127234073
Yes it does in rutracker's case.

>>127234087
You must be joking.
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>>127234034
This is why!
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>>127234016
Because I specifically recommend that you not read it.
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>Not getting your stuff on mofu for those sick dl speed
>He felt for the "fuwanovel/mofu is bad" pastebin meme
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>>127234201
What game?
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>>127234201
>2016
>he still has shit internet
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>>127234189
2 seeders with 5kb/s doesn't count. Even ED is faster than that.
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>>127234307
Noble Works

>>127234314
I know, right? I have 4G on my phone faster than this.
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>>127234325
I'm sure you're in a great rush and can't wait a few hours to read a 40 hours VN.
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>>127234482
Are you pretending to be retarded? It's a new release, there's torrents with 100+ seeders..
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>>127234607
It's actually my internet being shit today. I can barely load images in this thread because my whole 150kb/s is being used.
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>>127234756
>150 kb/s
What kind of shitty country do you live in?
Chile?
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>>127234756
>my whole 150kb/s
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>>127234148
Its not meant to be an exciting game.

Its a game to ease the soul .
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>>127235850
my soul is dead
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>>127235908
Its ok, Umi will heal it.
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>>127234756
I feel with you bro. I had to change apartment for 1 month (I will move to completely new house I build with my family in february) and I have to live with shit internet. I feel it´s kinda waste to change it for such short time
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https://vndb.org/g855
Best tag
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https://vndb.org/g82
Real best tag.
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>>127236487
>>127236390
>not https://vndb.org/i904
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https://vndb.org/g978
This tag.
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>>127236539
>Tray
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>>127236636
>not https://vndb.org/g1565
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>best tag being anything but Atlach=Nacha: The Tag
https://vndb.org/g1585
>>
Please
https://vndb.org/g89
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>>127236390
>>127236487
Actual best tag
https://vndb.org/g2023
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>>127236028
Not with that terrible crop.
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>>127236390
>>127236487
>>127236636
>>127236745

>not https://vndb.org/g156
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>>127207650
Whenever I'm reading a VN, I have something in my life. I know that when I get home I have a long story to read, one I've been with for a while. One that will remain with me. It defines stages of your life. You look back and think "oh, when that happened I was reading Clannad".

Whenever I finish one it's as if I've lost something. Like a close friend has left me. I can reread and hang out with the characters more but it is no longer the same. Our time together has reached it's end. The glow of the first time has left the visual novel.

I normally try to find one as soon as possible. Without a VN I am adrift among the sea of meaningless empty days.
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>>127236390
>>127236487
>>127236539
>>127236745
>>127236756
>>127236758
>implying
https://vndb.org/g92

>>127236808
You're OK.
>>
https://vndb.org/g1691
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>>127236713
Makifag?
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>>127236872
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>>127236756
Incest is wrong. Say no to imoutos!
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>>127233553
Sca-ji wrote one though, it's about a couple of lesbian playing detective.
Sorry for you cancer
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>>127237065
You better tell me the name of that novel.
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>>127236830
>It defines stages of your life
Not for me, I hardly remember when I read any VN, if it weren't for the dates in these file names I'd have no clue when I read them. Usually it's a shock, like, "woah man, I read that THREE months ago? What the fuck am I doing with my life?" or something like that. Heck, I certainly don't remember things that happen in general, I know I read this in May, for example, but what happened in May? I have no god-damn idea. Nothing ever happens here.
>>127236891
wonk
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>>127236830
I don't feel loss because I can constantly think about VNs like Fate and Tsukihime.
It's like rereading it in my mind every day, so they never feel like part of the past.
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>>127237065
>Unironically liking Scashit
>>>/jp/
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Reminder to report Quof.
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>>127237310
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https://vndb.org/g351
>all these OELVNs
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>>127236770
>1 pixel off

shh
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>>127237564
I just found the kamige among kamige.
https://vndb.org/v16638
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>>127233730
Romeo wrote Aura and Jintai, both are extremely well regarded among LNs

Looseboy first LN was released a month ago so there isn't much to say so far, it wasn't bad, basically crime and punishment in a cultish orphanage, pretty dark and mostly a prologue to the true story story

Urobuchi wrote Fate/Zero, which is well Fate/Zero and some interesting things like Eisen Flügel that is basically the love story of a pilot and his plane or Hakubou no Dendoushi that is basically a DnD lawful evil campaign.

There are other eroge writers who managed to pierce into LN/actual novels though like Setoguchi (Kira Kira, Swan Song) that now goes by the pen name Narabe Yousuke and wrote a bunch of pretty popular novel like Shitai Dorobo or Tsumetai Ozone

>>127237235
えびてん 綺譚奇譚

>>127237310
Yeah I unironically like Sca-ji, what are you going to do now?
>>
my friend told me nasu is a hack is this true?
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>>127237848
No, they meant Sca-ji
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>>127237773
I see, You can't comprehend english.
Maybe too much japanese melt your brain?
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>>127237848
Kill him. Nobody will blame you.
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>>127237731
>no sexual content
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Is Ryukishi the biggest hack there is in this medium?
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>>127238074
I think so.
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>>127238074
Yes, I really want him to die.
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>>127238074
Nah thats Romeo
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>>127234756
Only thing relevant here is Jintai and Fate, and those are single works of each author. Everything else is just okay and they don't even have real novels, just light novels.
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What did Romeo write aside from Umineko?
>>
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>>127238190
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>>127238239
His name inside your mom.
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>>127238239
Sakura no uta. Dudes a hack
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>wow Extra was fucking awful in every way so I hope Unlimited will be better
>the story actually seems interesting this time and Sumika doesn't exist, this is gonna be great!
>mfw it ended up being Extra again but slightly less wacky

WHY
I should've just played alternative first, right?
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>>127238413
Yeah, ctrl through it till something interesting seems to happen.
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>>127238413
If you have any brains then Unlimited is as good or better than Alternative.
You're just stupid.
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>>127238512
>ctrl
Why would you do that?
It's like flipping pages.
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>>127238297
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>>127238835
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This VN is better than I thought.
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>>127238921
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>>127238835
Why would you do that to best girl?
>>
Chaos;Head was going well, then they had to go and fucking ruin it at the end with all that bullshit. What was that all about?
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>>127239132
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I AM RADIANCE
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>>127239213
That's entirely your fault for not being able to appreciate it.
>>
Which game has the best footjobs?
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>>127239369
Ikikoi has pretty good ones in Eika's route.
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>>127239369
The one where one is required to get a HAPPY END.
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505th for Eika is best Ikikoi.
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>>127239369
Are you psychic man? I just got to a footjob scene in what I'm reading.
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>>127239528
That's not saying much.
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>not skipping H scenes
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>>127239732
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>>127239853
Hello, inferior pajamas girl.
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>>127239213
I assume that Takumi literally went full schizo and last 2 chapters are delusions.
>>
>>127238541
Sorry, but Unlimited just felt so much like Infinite Stratos for me, I guess that's why I didn't enjoy it that much. especially since they had to go and change Mikoto into a girl, like doesn't Takeru have enough girl friends already?
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>>127238413
Alternative isn't nearly as good if you skip to it
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>>127238413
Extra is pretty important set up for Alternative.
And honestly, I didn't mind Unlimited at all after the faggotry that is Extra.
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>>127239637
And what are you reading?
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>>127239971
Dumb /jp/ poster.
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>>127239971
Kill yourself JOP.
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>>127240075
I think the strangeness of changing him into a girl is more than made up for by the arc about Takeru dealing with sexual tension. It's one of the most defining moments of character development he goes through.
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>>127239971
>>127240245

Anyone has more girls in silly pajamas?
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>>127240506
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>>127240506
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>>127240506
>>
Why people don't talk about shuffle and sequels while old kusoge like snow sakura or edelweiss get mentioned once in a while?
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>>127240703
this one is the cutest.
>>
What are the odds that Tsukihime remake will be 18+?
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>>127240506
Superior chicken pajamas.
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>>127240624
I should rewatch this.
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>>127240801
-100
>>
Do these things exist irl and if yes, where can I buy some?
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>>127238981
Animated scenes in the OP. Wow I'm impressed.
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>>127240921
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>>127241025
That is horrendous.
Not because of the quality, but because of the direction.
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>>127239528
Incest is wrong. Say no to imoutos!
>>
>>127241201
Kikokugai has pretty good pseudo-animation with flying sprites.
>>
>>127241201
I give it a high passing because I've literally never seen any other VN do anything close with it's sprite work.
I mean seriously, I read some games like pic related that only ever let 2 sprites ever be on the screen, and they're always right beside each other; in comparison that sprite opening is godly.

Though, in the end, Shapeshifter has awfully boring writing and Kami no Ue no Mahoutsukai is fucking great, so yeah.
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Well Mankoto not having a route has to be the biggest cocktease ever.
I'm only 15 minutes in and she's already best girl holy shit.
>>
>>127241373
>I've literally never seen any other VN do anything close
>JOPs haven't even read Fate
>>
>>127241529
Fate didn't do that with sprites, if I recall. It had a lot of screen shake and weapon-slashing CGs, but the sprites didn't move like that. If I recall, Fate Stay Night was literally my first or second VN and I read it fourish years ago.
>>
>>127240743
Edelweiss is better than Shuffle tho.
>>
>>127241637
It didn't need to, the visual and sound direction were stellar. The sense of movement was conveyed through other means.
The technology doesn't matter nearly as much as the technique, which is why I don't understand why some people get excited about things like the Emote system.
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>>127241802
>It didn't need to, the visual and sound direction were stellar.
Well bud, when I'm explicitly talking about impressive sprite movement and how I've never seen anything else do anything close, and then someone implies I haven't read Fate, I'm going to assume Fate has some impressive sprite movement, you know? You follow me here?
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>>127241391
She looks like shit though.
>>
>>127241373
>I've literally never seen any other VN do anything close
>JOPS haven't read muv-luv
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>>127241802
Well the other guy is right you know, because Fate had CGs for every movement.
>>
>>127241920
And I'm saying that why does it even matter if what it's meant to do, convey sense of movement, has been done better by other means long ago.
If it's not good it doesn't matter if it's new or not. It's simply not a noteworthy achievement.
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>>127241391
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>>127242064
Actually, good point. I had forgotten about that. But, Muv Luv Alternative is made by the same people, so it doesn't really mean much to me.
>>127242116
Shapeshifter came out in 2009, it's not new. I would say using sprites to that degree is impressive, regardless of whether CGs convey movement better or whatever point you're driving. And that's besides the point, because what you're talking about is not what I'm talking about, i.e. impressive sprite animation.
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>>127242240
Looks at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Vg6XOi9vo
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>>127242505
Yeah, when I played Shapeshifter people told me to play Amatsukaze instead. Looking forward to it.
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>>127242240
New doesn't only mean recent.
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>>127242621
The sprite movement in Shapeshifter isn't new technology, it's just the engine that Age uses, rugp, which isn't new either.
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>>127242578
Damn I can't find the gameplay videos of Ayakashi anymore

Anyways this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Gv0nsls1M
Was released in 2005 and has better production values than MLA/Shapeshifter
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>the loneliness of starting a VN from the beginning and your favourite girl not recognising you
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>>127242719
If it hasn't been done before
>I've literally never seen
Then it's new, even if only to you.
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>>127235324
T-that's rude.
We have faster Internet here. Unless you are poor as fuck, that's it.
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>>127242870
Well, that implies I only think it's impressive because I've never seen it before, which is obviously not true.
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>>127242892
Please review >>127237731
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>>127242951
That's exactly what you said.
>I give it a high passing because I've literally never seen
To which I answered
>It doesn't matter if it's new if others have done the same thing better through different means
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>They start discussing food
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>>127243128
I give it a pass (of any horrendous parts) because I've never seen it before, but I think it's impressive because it is impressive.
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>>127243206
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>>127237848
Yes, think of him as the George Lucas of VNs
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>>127243440
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>>127241391
Its a great supporting character thats for sure.

Im having a really hard time disliking anyone in that VN. Even Shuri, who I tried my hardest to not give a fuck about, hes just too nice.
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Take a moment to appreciate Takeuchi.
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You can now resume posting.
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>>127242985
I have no idea who that guy is. Seems like a neo-commie, though.
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>play Euphoria expecting something like 999
>get 1 guy 6 girls, I'm sure this is tough on you MC but you gotta rape 'em all

Could they pander any harder?
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>>127244657
Are you the "Pinochet was a benevolent dictator" anon?
Because that was hilarious. I'm still laughing.
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>>127244863
>complaining about pandering while reading eroge
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>>127244863
>posting before having gotten to the true route
>or what sounds like not even gotten out of the facility
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>>127244863
Serious question: Do you know what a "nukige" is?
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>>127245290
>>127245118

I just want death games man, but these sort of convenient situations just break my suspension of disbelief. I'd be easier to stomach if say there were also other men but they just got killed early on.
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>>127244886
Your passive-agressive mockering is triggering me
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>gahkthun
>Noble works
>Koirizo
>the Muv-luv series

which one should I play /vn/?
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>>127245591
Doesn't that depend on what you're looking for?
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>>127245591
Noble Works and Koirizo are generic moege and Gahkthun is otome shit. Read Muv-luv.
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>>127245591
Gahkthun is the best out of those, Muvluv a close second. Noble Works is decent as well. Delete Koirizo though.
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>>127245967
>gahkthun is the best out of those
/blog/ pls
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>>127245967
Could not even finish Gahkthun.
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>>127246291
ok
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>>127244863
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>>127245591
Koirizo/nobleworks if you just want to feel happy.
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>>127246374
Don't.... Don't you dare mock me!
Your logic ends where my feelings begin!
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>>127245436
Well, let me explain, Euphoria is built and based around fapping, they do include a story and death games because you know it's a novel may as well make it entertaining but don't mistake it, the game is about getting you to fap, and that's that. That's why people buy them.
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where the hell can I get Swan Song. The official site is japanese only and I don't understand japanese only and on erogedownload I have to download 10 things and its very slow. I just want to play game. Swan Song.
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>>127246374
Does that mean Kagami have a boyfriend?
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>>127246698
Read the OP
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Jesus christ. I'm stuck in Hinata route purgatory. How long is this shit going to drag on for? Nothing is happening, not even cute.
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>>127246698
Why would you even want it?
>>127246712
Isn't she described as being kind of plain?
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>>127246712
>boyfriend
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>Cheap cider
Check.
>Snacks
Check.

Time to romance qts
What am I doing with my life
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>>127220768
>>127221203
>>127221503
Bump? More people seems to be awake now that its morning in burgerland
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>>127247036
I heard its very good and I am looking for a dark vn. I like character design. I played one more vn katawa shoujo but it wasnt that good for me, a middle school is not a dark setting.
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>>127247140
>cider
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>>127247317
dark just like ur soul lol am i rite
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>>127247326
It's the cheapest way of getting drunk without going full mouthwash.
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>>127247317
You heard wrong. Go read something like Cross Channel.
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>>127246979
If you're not finding her cute, just drop her route and move on to the next.

I personally found her adorable, on the levels of Akari. She gets really cute right when she reveals your identity to the friend circle and from there onwards.
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>>127247317
Nyaa,se The 18+ section.
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>>127247140
Living the dream.
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>>127247505
But even the cheapest beer tastes way better than any cider.
Where the hell do you live that you can get cider cheaper than beer?
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>>127247326
Cider is delicious

>>127247505
>cider
>cheap

I wish. Here in clapistan its as expensive as good beer.
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>>127247478
No, I'm not a evil man.
>>127247541
Ok I'm going to look at Cross channel reviews today.
>>127247623
Thanks you I'm going there to look for it.
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>>127247992
Reddit leave.
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>>127247791
The united cuckdom.
It's probably as expensive as lager, it's just that lager is so much weaker, may as well drink water.
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>dat post kiss glee

HNNNNG
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>>127247992
>this fucking guy

Anyway, you need to be 18+ to post on 4chan.
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>>127247791
You probably didn't drink much of cheap beer, or in your country even the cheapest beer is good. In my shitty country cider is better option, than shitty beer.
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>>127248081
arent you guys supposed to have an excellent selection of great beers over there?

Here in clapistan its pisswater or craft beers that are expensive as fuck. Finding a decent production beer is a chore.
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>>127248145
I'm already 34 though.
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>>127248185
>>127247992
>>127247317
What do you call someone who is neither a JOP, nor EOP?
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>>127248330
Then what the fuck are you doing here?
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>>127248348
A normie.
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>>127248185
Well now you've severely underestimated my country since it has some of the shittiest beers in the whole world which most people agree on and even then it costs about three times as much as in any other country.
Still alcoholism manages to be one of the biggest health-issues.

>>127248330
Not mentally.
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>>127248145
I am 22 already only my english is not good and in my country no one interests themself or vn so I can't ask there. But thanks you for the download site and I'm sorry I'm going away now.
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>>127248474
Your love for VNs is weak, kouhai.
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>>127248348
ESL?
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>>127248615
It's kind of a sorry sight.
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>>127248615
>I'm sorry I'm going away now.
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>>127248649
And your love for dick is great, faggot.
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>>127248734
Easily-Sexed Lady?
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>>127248615
ignore the retards and stick around.
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>>127248615
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>>127248615
>in my country no one interests themself or vn so I can't ask there.
Are you from Africa?
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Why do you all make fun of me when I type like a retard but act all nice toward that fag?
What is this bullshit? Is it some kind of third worlder privilege?
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>>127249403
>he doesn't understand that /vn/ is tsun
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>>127248615
>I'm sorry I'm going away now.
At least you had enough decency to not go full I was only pretending mode
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>>127249158
>wanting some lazy idiot who can't even take the time to read the OP to stay here
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>>127249536
Well, he sounds and acts like an overall better person than you.
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>>127249536
Its self evident that no one ever reads the OP, that was just another example.
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>>127249592
>Not being an insufferable cunt
Fuck off back to reddit.
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>>127249651
Maybe I should leave /vn/
There aren't many other places to discuss vns though.
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>>127249592
>waahhh stop being mean :(

May I suggest you go to Reddit?
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>>127249624
Maybe if the OP was actually useful information and not some faggot rage wanking over fuwanovel, people might read it.
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>>127249780
It actually is quite useful. It hasn't changed much since I was new here, and it helped me out quite a bit.
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>>127249403
Well seemingly you actually have the aptitude to type properly yet decide not to.
He simply did his best unlike insufferable assholes like you who are just lazy.
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Ti9 tried to get newfriends to come here and become a part of /vn/.
We should follow his example.
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Last time I made a thread, I put a link to reddit in the OP and no one realized it until I mentioned it myself, the thread already had +200 posts.
No one read the shit in the OP.
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>>127250197
>Put reddit link in the OP
>Wait a while
>Complain about the OP and redditfags ruining /vn/
Sasuga, anon.
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>>127250362
It was ironic though.
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>>127250197
>No one read the shit in the OP.
Yeah, regulars don't tend to because its the shame shit unending for literally months
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>>127250438
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>>127250197
Of course we wouldn't read it, we are regulars.
The OP is made for the sake of the newfriends, who wouldn't notice anything is wrong.
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>>127250197
Everyone else was simply being smart and collected and not bringing your childish whims to shit up the thread even more.
Well until you couldn't take it anymore and just had to get that sweet attention.
I hope in the future you don't have to resort to such means.
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>>127250672
At least we went back to normal thanks to my clever initiative.
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Is that me or she looks like a man on this CG?
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>>127250852
Yeah, sure buddy.
It's all thanks to your ingenuity!
Finally a true hero has risen among us and driven out the shitposters!
What a glorious man indeed.
I hope you adopt a tripcode so we can worship you more easily.
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>>127251089
It's the nose and chin.
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>>127251143
Wait, are you being ironic too?
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>boardX generals
Is a genius idea when you think about it. Most of these splinter boards that have been created like /mlp/ etc, could all have been dealt with by a 'generals' board for their core board. So for /mlp/, a /cog/, this would even encapsulate /aco/ maybe. Moot truly is a genius, I feel that general boards are a much better solution to splintering than what double chan has tried.
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>>127251218
Of course not.
You have truly shown us the way with your huge cock and winning personality.
I mean, who would've ever thought of linking to, brace for it, fucking reddit itself.
Truly awe-inspiring and uplifting to know that there are still such fearsome warrior-souls such as yourself inhabiting this little corner of the internet.
I mean, linking to reddit on 4chan takes so much bravery and commitment that I still can't believe you actually managed that.
Bravo, I say, Bravo!
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Bunny Black 2 is gonna be great.
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Look at this fucking loser. Even he has his personal harem.
Why don't you, anon?
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>>127251964

I like anal.
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>>127251929
Has the translation even started yet?
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>>127251723
Hey, why do you have to act like an asshole?
I had the best intentions and things ended pretty alright in the end.
I hate shitposters. That's why I did it.
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>>127252083
There was a beta patch released recently I believe. I think it's at like 80%.
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>>127252092
You became the very thing you hate the most in order to destroy the enemy?
What skill, such incredible resolve.

Omedetou.
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>>127252189
>I think it's at like 80%.
That far? Really? I remember the guy saying he had to postpone it since he was working with JAST on something.
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>>127252029
Yamato does too, and he has an harem
What's your excuse?
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>>127252398
Yeah it surprised me too, guess he picked it back up. Glad he made so much progress, I really liked the first one.
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I want to bully her.
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>>127252992
I want to rape her too.
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>>127252992
Can I fuck it? I want to play with her hair once I'm done fucking her.
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DEAD THREAD
I know this is basically recthread cancer, but after I finish re reading ML:U, which VN should I read?
I've been thinking about re reading Tsukihime, or even FSN, since I've pretty much lost any memories of them at this point. Are there any other VNs on par with these, such that it's worth me starting them, rather than re reading something that I've mostly forgotten?
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>>127252992
It seems like the devs too, since they won't give her a proper route.
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>>127253127
So many.
Why would you even re read something?
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>>127253127
Read the OP
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>>127251964
Which are in /vn/'s opinion the justified harems?

As in the harems that it's actually believable the heroine fell for the main character, or the main character actually has a playboy-sort of personality that attracts women, etc.

For Takeru I don't really believe anyone other than Sumika should have fallen for him like that. And the whole "we only knew each other for a couple of days, but made a promise when we were young so I'm gonna hold feelings for you for 10 years" thing is pretty cheap.

Personally I believe Grisaia is more believable for example. One of the reasons being that he's the only male their age around them, and even putting that aside Juice master is pretty ripped.
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>>127253524
Takeru's harem in Alterantive I'd say it's kind of justified there because he's really the only guy the girls ever interact with.
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>>127253325
>>127253316
>Implying I haven't scanned all of the recommended VN images multiple times
I just want to know if these are really as good as Tsukihime, Muv-Luv, Saya No Uta, and Fate Stay/Night, or if I've read the top tier ones, and, given that I've forgotten much of the story of these, I should re read them.
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>>127253047
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>>127253524
>As in the harems that it's actually believable

Why do we need for fictional stories to be believable or realistic?
Hasn't the great thing for storytelling throughout the ages been that we can create our own reality and even break the laws of physics within the story?

>>127253772
YU-NO is better than all of those. In my opinion at least, many will possibly disagree.
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>>127253762
He's also more aggressive and has a better body there so I'll give you that.

Another mention I guess would be Majikoi, even though he can end up fucking all the girls, most of them don't fall for him outside their own route (excepting Miyako, and I guess Momoyo)
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>>127253127
There's nothing as good as Nasu's works.
But have you read Romeo? All his stuff is amazing, almost as great as Nasu's.
Otherwise read Comyu before or after rereading Tsukihime.
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Why there are so many newfriends today?

Not that I'm complaining, just wondering the cause.
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>>127253942
Believable =! Realistic, friend.

An old man casting a fireball is not realistic. An old man casting fireball is believable in a medieval fantasy where dragons and elves are a common occurrence. An old man pulling out an AK47 is not believable in a medieval fantasy, even though it may be more "realistic". What I appreciate first and foremost is consistency.
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>>127254472
ur not believable
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>>127254472
>What I appreciate first and foremost is consistency.

Well that's what I was arguing for too with "within the story" but I'm dumb at this stuff so it came out all wrong.
Also I was arguing that characters shouldn't be judged by their likability or how believable they are in general but within the story.
Since MLA has giant robots and the science is suspect I wouldn't find it a leap too far if the one destined to save the world was a pussy-magnet.
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Reminder, if you think this line is even remotely difficult then you've never read a light novel, much less an actual book. I'm just not a beginner from DJT like you guys are. Lines like that are incredibly common in any sort of fantasy fiction. You're either new to Japanese or just read moege all the time.
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>>127253524
Takeru's harem is definitely believable. For starters, there are barely any men.
Takeru is very impressive and quite admirable, with great dedication to what he does. He's by far the best and most important one at his job, and he has an air of mystery surrounding him in Alternative with all those "secret missions" given to him.
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>>127252832
I actually exist.
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>>127255263
He's an ugly fuck though.
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>>127255380
>it thinks it's real

How cute.
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>>127255263
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>>127255484
You gotta make do with what you got.
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>>127255067
>Also I was arguing that characters shouldn't be judged by their likability or how believable they are in general but within the story.

I wasn't judging Takeru for anything. He's a fine lad. I just wanted to talk about deserving/undeserving harems. It's not like he's any worse of a person just because he's not really a playboy who can attract 5 chicks without doing anything, but I could definitely see the hand of god pushing all the other chicks towards him.

>>127255263
Wasn't talking about Alternative, plenty of men in the normal world.
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>>127255763
He doesn't really have a harem in extra, most of the girls only fall for him because he helps them out in some fashion, otherwise they just stay friends. Except Sumika and Meiya.
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>>127256165
It's been a long time since I read it but don't they have a cooking contest to impress him among other things?

Of course they never speak about their love outside their routes like Meiya and Sumika, but it looked like they all liked him.
>>
I think we should discuss how retarded the sci-fi of Muv Luv is instead of essential harem. All those parallel universes and shit were Chaos Head tier.
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>>127256868
We should discuss how retarded Meiya was for interrupting the first and only conversation between BETA and humans in their entire goddamn history.
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>>127255612
Oh god I'm in solipsism hell and nobody told me.
>>127256165
Ha no. The whole cooking competition should have made that much clear.
>>127257114
Not very. Bam, conversation over.
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>>127257114
Also why didn't Sumika try talking to the BETA since she was like their creators, a silicon-based lifeform at the moment at least.
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>>127257324
She was busy dying. That takes a lot of concentration.
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>>127256824
Oh yeah you're right. I forgot about that one.
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>>127257324
Yeah like >>127257462 said she was pretty much exhausted and dying at that point. I really think Yuuko should have gone with Takeru, I wonder what kind of conversation she'd have with the BETA. Takeru was insulting the thing and was very emotional.
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>>127257462
And yet she could control gravitational fields and quantum effects which would make her one hell of a traditional computer but still she couldn't share at least the tiny bit of that computational power to utter some communication with the BETA?
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I don't know if this is the correct place to ask for this, but i need help with Dorei to no Seikatsu - Teaching Feeling. I have two problems:
1.Sylvie's Lust has constantly been going down is that normal?
2.Does the game have an end? And if yes how do i reach it?
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>>127258640
/hgg/ would be the place to talk about that, but im sure someone will answer you here as well.
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>>127258807
i'll be waiting then.
If this thread expires i'll just move there.
Thanks by the way
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>>127258640
/hgg/ has a pastebin for it. go there
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>>127257781
Nope!
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>>127259751
What a stingy cunt.
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>>127259868
Yeah, Sumika is basically terrible.
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>>127259606
looked into it but sadly it doesn't answer my questions
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>>127260491
Then ask their thread.
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>tfw its been a whole year with no new releases
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>>127263691
but we've had quite a few good releases this year
>>
In the land of the blind one eyed man is king

>>127263691
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>>127263787
Uh, we've had 0 releases this year what the fuck are you talking about?
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>>127263787
>>127263821
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>>127263932
>tfw it's the current year and you're already getting bullied
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>>127253059
>can I fuck it
>can I
Do weebs really self-insert this much? I want to live in a magical world where I can delude myself into thinking I'm the one having sex with these animu grils as well. Lend me your power.
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HOLY FUCK, Margit's route in Majikoi S is fucking awesome except the domination thing that Yamato copied from his dad. The H-scenes were fucking lewd and pic related at the end of the route gave me a fucking heart boner.
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>>127265038
Twintails are a shit hairstyle
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>>127265027
One you get lonely enough, anything is possible anon.
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>>127265307
You're a shit hairstyle.
>>
Does Angel have a route in S?
>>
>>127265038
Yeah her route had some hot scenes for sure. I did Kokoro's route after Margit's because of the scene on the rooftop.
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>>127265307
depends on whos wearing it.

Pic related is fucking adorable
>>
>>127265523
>that anime tier shading
>that bloom to hide the lack of detail
>>
>>127265445
Yamato fucks her in the ass and a threesome with the sisters, that's it. He doesn't romance her.
>>
>>127265742
That's all I need, although romance would be OK
>>
>>127265445
>>127265841
Agave gets an after, where you either get a 3p with Miyako and Momo, end route, or you fuck Tatsuko lots, and fuck both of the other sisters a couple times, including the dom sister's virginity.
>>
>>127266063
Now I definitely want to read Agave before moving on to S
>>
>>127266264
You absolutely should, it's the best route in the game.
>>
>>127266264
>not reading agave
That shit was literally the true end.
>>
I really hate majikoi can we talk about something else thank you
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>>127265307
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Fuck you Hinata
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>>127266531
>>
By the way, does Benkei have a route in Majikoi S or not? I see CG in the sadpanda CG rip but I can't see her name in walkthroughs.
>>
>>127267863
Only very minor one with a h scene, proper one is in A's
>>
>>127267863
Yamato fucks her once, but you get locked out from another route.
>>
>>127267863
No route but she gets a scene. I think she has a route in the A series though.
>>
I wish Majimeme would die.
>>
>>127267979
Oh no, you can't fuck Koyuki. How terrible.

I kinda wish Benkei's route had continued from that but I liked what we got in A-1 anyway.
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>>127268118
I wish you would die.
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>>127268118
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>>127268274
Koyuki was best girl.
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>>127268308
It's literally DBZ + Wish fulfillment bullshit.
It doesn't get any trashier than that.
Except Kazuko route.
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>>127268548
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>>127268548
DBZ literally had wish fulfillment in it you redundant faggot.
>>
If you want to bully Majikoi fans, just mention that the newest game by the scenarist of it is pretty great and has no plans of being translated.

https://vndb.org/v16066
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>>127268762
You would know better than me, I don't watch plebshit.
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>>127268548
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>>127267963
>>127267979
>>127267993
Well too bad that I can't read moon then.
>>
>>127268402
Best after Benkei, Haou, Yoshitsune, Stacy, Lee, Margit, Kokoro, Mayucchi, Chris, Wanko, Momoyo, Angel, Ami, Umeko, Monshiro, Chika, Azumi, Torako, Takae, Ageha and Saki and you can't even screw the last four.

Koyuki is basically bottom tier, above the likes of Miyako and Mayo and no one else.
>>
>>127268943
A is getting translated though and her route is in the first one so you're pretty lucky.
>>
>>127268943
Though now that I looked it up it seems that vndb is way behind about A's TL cause since Wairu's death Maji TL took it over.

>>127269196
Yeah, just found out about that, thanks though.
>>
>>127269130
How about getting better taste before replying to me.
>>
>there are people willingly translating Majimeme
I'll never understand this.
>>
new thread where?
>>
>>127265038
Funny, I ended up dropping that route like hot shit because that whole domination thing jsut pissed me right off.
>>
>>127269351
I'm sorry but I don't find literal retards attractive. It'd be like fucking a child and I'm not into that.
>>
>>127268883
You seem like an average /a/ poster
>man, X is shit!!
>did you watch it?
>lolno i watch good shows like Y
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>>127269598
>I don't want to fuck children
>>
new thread
>>127269907
>>127269907
>>
Someone make a new /vn/ thread
>>
>>127269719
Sure anon, I'm certain DBZ is at least twice as good as Evangelion.
>>
>>127269949
>vng
>>
>>127269949
>vng
Godamnit
>>
>>127269949
>/vng/

this shit needs to fucking stop.
>>
>>127269949
Reported for messing with the OP in so many ways. I counted 3.
>>
>>127269949
Make a different one please
>>
that /vng/ faggot should be permabanned
>>
>>127270324
>>127270118
>>127270103
>>127270024
Deal with it, kids
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>>127270518
>>127270518
>>127270518

new
>>
New thread.
>>127270539

Use the damn thing after complaining so much.
>>
>>127270595
>>127270620
Both have shitty images
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>>127270538
Deal with my dick, nerd
>>
>>127270595
>>127270620
KEK
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Remember to report the /vng/ faggot.
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>>127270871
Remember to report this salty kid.
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>>127270871
Remember to kill yourself.
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>>127271093
>>127271127
>samefagging
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>>127271306
>delusional
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