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fcrawl beta has been released: https://bpaste.net/raw/fdaa75a90151 See >>126941854 for a guide on getting it running.
IVAN has updated to version 5.4: https://github.com/Attnam/ivan/releases
Christmas *band competition: http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php?showcompo=183

FAQ: http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34
What to play: http://pastebin.com/dyPKMEBv
Rogue Nexus – Cataclysm Online and more: http://roguenex.us

ADoM pastas: http://pastebin.com/VaH5UVN8
AliensRL pasta: http://pastebin.com/20ZTFzwZ
Angband pasta: http://pastebin.com/j8SSFvCT
Brogue pasta: http://pastebin.com/nkUaca3N
Cataclysm DDA pasta: http://pastebin.com/UAqhKZfc
Caves of Qud pasta: http://pastebin.com/0ExECmUn
DCSS pasta: http://pastebin.com/6Nz5cuww
DF Adventure Mode pasta: http://pastebin.com/7HB7Tc1y
DoomRL pasta: http://pastebin.com/2vZsvsfD
Dungeons of Dredmor pasta: http://pastebin.com/t3eteBsE
Elona pasta: http://pastebin.com/tU9qkAqt
InCaveAd pasta: http://pastebin.com/HeDX5yNK
Incursion pasta: http://pastebin.com/Q87xYnBq
Infra Arcana pasta: http://pastebin.com/jMb7fZfN
IVAN pasta: http://pastebin.com/GnJeGWTT
MaiDenSnow Eve pasta: http://pastebin.com/BJFyCUnS
NetHack pasta: http://pastebin.com/XRp5mBhz
Omega pasta: http://pastebin.com/0vkDNuyX
One Way Heroics pasta: http://pastebin.com/jFh3nrxy
PosChengband: http://pastebin.com/ZLZZz45j
Prospector pasta: http://pastebin.com/DjPrRQu8
Sil pasta: http://pastebin.com/NRyD5jtt
ToME 4 pasta: http://pastebin.com/GVDJksuM
UnReal World pasta: http://pastebin.com/QfgkYkNA

Other roguelikes without a pasta (go make one!):

Forays to Norrendin: http://forays.github.io/
Quest for the Unicorn: http://www.elf-emulation.com/rcs/unicorn5/index.html
Demon: http://demon.ferretdev.org/
The Ground Gives Way: http://www.thegroundgivesway.com/

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>>127165107
I just wish to say that I wholeheartedly support this list.
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do ur best
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Fucking assholes not dropping fucking corpses
What is this shit
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>>127166038
WHO CARES ABOUT THEIR CORPSES?
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>>127166231
I have a deep love for corpses of deities, anon, and you will not judge me.
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>>127166330
CEASE AT ONCE
YOU INVITE MY WRATH
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>>127166038
you can always go into the edit files and add the DROP_CORPSE flag to any monster you please.

Of course it doesn't *guarantee* a drop but it makes it possiburu. Also not sure how balanced the corpses would be or anything, since I'm guessing there isn't code specifically for them, but I don't think it will cause a crashbug. Probably.
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>>127166038
They don't drop corpses, you'll have to play a mimic for a chance to be one.
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>>127166468
A lot of things don't drop corpses, like undead, demons (no cyberdemon dream for me), etc.
But I thought the Olympians did, since they're P's.
Ah well, maybe I'm having shit luck or something. In any case there isn't anyone else to switch to, cause I'm commiting unique genocide at this point. Soon there will be none left.
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>>127166038
how many and which of them dropped their artifacts? Pics of the dropped items and properties? I think it's 30% chance normally.
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Babby here.

IVAN, LIVAN, or CLIVAN?
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>>127166905
IVAN ALWAYS 100%
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>>127166721
I *think* that's all I got from them, but then again something might've been left behind if I had to bail or something.
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>>127166721
Check the artifact file anon
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>tfw got killed by panlord while ascending 15 runes
on the bright side, I've finally got 15 runes, all previous attempts resulted in dieing before this moment
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>>127167325
>activation *Recharging*
that's pretty strong
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>>127169691
Yeah, especially since the timeout is only 15 turns.
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>>127169479
dieing?
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>>127169479
Don't you give up anon, you will surely accomplish your goal.
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>>127169479
ripgratulations

>>127169691
also 30% spellpow is obviously insane as well
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>>127165625
I'd probably add more to the this now that I've thought about it for more than 2 minutes. This was a fun thought experiment.
>Stat loss restores on exp AND slowly over time. No panscumming if your stats got fucked in tomb!
>Transient muts too
>Corrosion decreases a point every few turns rather than in clumps.
>Remove felid extra lives. Give them damage reduction on attacks that would deal more than 50% of their maximum HP or something. Maybe just give them better HP instead.
>Also they can leap again because that was fun, how is multiple lives fun compared to jumping fuck you chris only you would find dying more than once fun
>Less sword unrandarts, more everything else unrandarts
>Rebalance some weapons so that not everyone goes into the lategame with dtrident/eveningstar/doublesword or 3sword/gmace/bardiche
>make bucklers require more exp, add more shields so you don't have 3 fucking choices
>add different tiers of helms, gloves and boots with encumbrance penalties to go with the enchantment thing
>heavier helmets, gauntlets and boots have different egos than light ones
>To go in line with the glow thing, mummies have no glow cost from spells because they cast spells via gestures rather than speaking them aloud so they don't spill raw magic into the air
>Corona is a buff/debuff that makes a temporary TSO halo on target, making everything easier to hit and revealing invis dudes.
>darkness makes a powerful stealth boosting umbra on you instead of reducing LoS. Reducing LoS is powerful, but it feels really metagamey and isn't very fun.
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>>127166905
CLIVAN for maximal bullshit
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>>127165625
cleave + reach is too good.
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>>127173685
what if only cleave at reach range, not adjacent
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>>127171214
>unique monster: the walking pestilence
>a pile of bugs disguised as a man in a robe and hood
>special ability "swarm"
>like haunt but with mid level bugs
>hitting it spawns high level bugs around it like TRJ
>can cause fear
>background: wizard who liked bugs turned into bugs
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>someone tells me they like roguelikes
>i get hyped to finally meet someone who likes roguelikes in real life and have a conversation
>oh shit really? i've been playing pcb recently its a *band variant blah blah
>go on a little excited monologue for a few seconds
>'so what do you play?'
>well i've been playing rogue legacy


this is what i wanted to prevent all along
god fucking damn it
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>>127173991
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>127173991
>talking to people irl

you knew the risks
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>>127173685
I'd have to see it to believe it honestly. 26 skill for min delay on a 14 base damage, 2H weapon is so fucking awful that I have a hard time believing that reach cleave would be too good. At this point, I'm a little surprised they haven't removed scythes yet.
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>>127171214
Just play a different game. Crawl is dull and over-streamlined.
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>>127174475
I play all sorts of games anon! I even enjoy them for their unique traits even if I don't like certain mechanics in them.
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>>127174319
The thing is that it will have 2 brands for free, and it would still be able to receive another one.
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>>127175464
2 brands that don't increase damage on an absolute SHIT base weapon. You turn into a whirlwind of death, but the kind of situations where that would be good are inherently bad. I'm curious to see how it'd really turn out honestly.
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>>127176164
With crawl not being all that tactical to begin with I think having silly fun ways to play is pretty nice.
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I haven't been on /rlg/ since... I think Crawl .14 release. Has there been any good new entries, or is everyone still playing the same 3 roguelikes?
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>>127176904
People here play Crawl or Poscheng for the most part.
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>>127176904
Read the thread.
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>>127176904
CDDA died out so only >>127177002 remains
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>>127176904
Poschengbad is the new hotness. We had a brief but intense love affair with Infra arcana. People play ADOM sometimes, and every now and again we'll have some demon discussion. Someone posted MaiDen snow even and that was fun for a time.
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>>127177010
Except the occasional anon playing dynahack, sil or elona, nearly everyone plays either crawl or poscheng
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>>127177217
I don't think cdda died out, there's still a lot of knowledge held by posters, but they're either waiting for the itch to play it to reform after playing it into the ground, or answering questions with advices
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>>127177235
>Someone posted MaiDen snow even and that was fun for a time.

It's too hard because I always end up fapping and then lose interest.
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>>127177002
>>127177217

Well, better than when everyone was playing nothing but Elona, at least. What happened to CDDA? Did that moron Granade finally quit?

>>127177010
I have, all 30 posts of it + the old thread, which was Poscheng/crawl/strangely enough DoD, which would've caused the usual thread downies to smash their modems with hammers a year or two ago. That still doesn't tell me what's gone on with roguelikes since then.
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>>127177494
Oh and you missed the ABSOLUTE PINNACLE OF ENTERTAINMENT AND BROTHERHOOD that was the mumo challenge. Truly I pity you, for those were some serious fun times.
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>>127177494
>what's gone on with roguelikes since then

IVAN, Angband, AND Nethack all got updates, which is pretty fucking crazy.
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>>127177674
I was around for the mumo challenge, so either I came back for a bit, or it was done even further back. My roommate and I both did it, and I had never seen him tard rage so hard.

>>127177706
An IVAN update? Jesus christ, what's it been, a decade?
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>>127177494
there was some hot infra arcana action
personally I hope IA Dev releases the new version soon so I have an excuse to play it for a few months again
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>>127178025
I was never very good at Infra Arcana, as much as I enjoyed it when I did play it. I've mostly been playing DoomRL and DDA for the past few months, waiting for an URW update.
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One day, we may.
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>>127177843
Dicksman started doing streams of it that were really fun and it ended up getting really popular. Many people in the thread managed to grab runes. Implojin and a mystery man even won it!
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>>127178151
tbqh I never played IA until dick started streaming it, then I realized it was basically lovecraftian diablo 2 spinter cell roguelike edition
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>>127178307
I didn't manage to grab runes, as I had quit DCSS for quite some time only returning for the challenge to a bunch of new crap, but I got a lot farther than my roommate, who would die to cockroaches and stop talking for the rest of the night.

Speaking of thread people, I really miss Bastard. Even when he got a bit less shit at games, the RNG would facefuck him harder than anyone else.
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>>127165287
Wait IVAN is still getting updates? Is this like a community project or something?
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>>127178540
>I really miss Bastard

Me too.
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>>127178540
I think he posted a few months back. But yeah, he had a tendency to get into weird situations. His fooBrand deaths in NetHack were pretty fun.
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>>127178481
>lovecraftian diablo 2 spinter cell roguelike edition
what the fuck am I reading
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>>127180681
hasturhasturhasturhasturhasturhastur
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>>127180681
I don't know but I like it.
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>>127178540
>the RNG would facefuck him harder than anyone else.
>>127180571
>he had a tendency to get into weird situations

That's why he was always my favorite namefag.

He only seemed to post when things had gone hilariously wrong like all of his equipment disintegrating in ADOM.
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>>127181324
>pic
oh man i'd forgotten about that
that thread was great
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Just hitting things with my fifty pound butt.

Spells aren't as good as pendragon's, and I'll miss my boot slot and vampiric weapon, but I can't complain about Baphomet's damage.
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>>127182956
http://myanimelist.net/anime/5025/Dengeki_Oshioki_Musume_Gootaman:_Gootaman_Tanjou-hen
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Brogue

Pick up a key, watch the alter descend into the ground as the trap sets the room on fire.

>I don't believe this shit.

I swear this game makes me think of Dirk the Daring shenanigans in deaths.
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>>127182956
>Baphomet
>Your Butt (12d13)
What
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>>127183645
There is almost always something on a vault level that might help you deal with the key trap.
>>127183646
It's a headbutt.
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>>127182956
>filename
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dang the dark maul is good with oka buffs
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FPS games take more skill than roguelikes.
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>>127182956
amazing
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>>127184908
tru
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>>127184908
Agreed.
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>>127184908
ayyy
which fps games
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>>127186030

Quake, Unreal, Turok, Painkiller, Blood, Shadow Warrior
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>>127184908
Yeah obviously. That's why we retired to this ezmodo freewin genre in the first place...we just couldn't handle the pressure
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>>127184908
Most good actiony games take more skill than RPGs
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>>127186030
Call of Duty, Halo, Far Cry.
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>>127184908
RTS takes more skill than FPS
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>>127186030
skyrimjob
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>>127173991
All of my friends play roguelites, thankfully none of them call them roguelikes because they've seen my play roguelikes. One of them plays actual roguelikes occasionally but he's terrible. At least he plays DCSS console instead of tiles.
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>>127187210
>all of my friends play roguelites
The term is 'both'
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Are there any good videos of someone play DCSS with commentary? I like to listen to something while I play and I'd like to listen to someone play so I can learn to play better.
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>>127187539
but there are three of them
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>>127187593
dcks
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsutlHZM6kCXon9wAn_jFkA
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>>127187643
eh I was just kidding in any case.

I actually had a spoilertagged "jk, please forgive" but it was going to mess up the succinct flow of the post so with some trepidation I removed it and hoped not to give actual offense
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>>127187789
Why do you even care about offending me, I'm a shitposting faggot.
So are you, for that matter.
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I'm trying to figure out a western gunslinger character in DCSS. A ranger with a hand crossbow for sure, leather armor only, high dodging, but what race would be good?

I'm partial to mummies.
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>>127187789
Now you've ruined it you bleeding heart faggot.
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>>127187917
>He uses ranged for anything except throwing huge rocks or needles
Centaur, even if dodging is -3
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>>127184908
but not nearly as much tactics.
skill=/=tactics
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>>127187917
Kobold
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I'm gonna do it

I'm gonna play a Death Sword
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>>127187917
spriggan.
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Mummies are fucking gay
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>>127188589
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>>127187917
>a hand crossbow
It's bad. Use an arbalest at least. Pretend it's a Winchester repeating rifle or something.
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>>127176164
I just added cleaving to scythes out of pure boredom. Its meh.

>>127173832
The way cleaving works is simple, it gets up to seven enemies adjacent to you that aren't your target and deal a % of the normal damage to them. To make it cleave at reach I would have to make a new algorithm to it, like it works for gyre and whatever, however I just can't be arsed.
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>>127188332
You like hurting yourself uh?
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>>127187917
WDA or MDA for endgame
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>DCSS freezes
>reload
>A game is already in progress using your save!

fuck you I was finally doing well
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>>127190138
I read a scroll of summon monsters and died
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>>127190336
It's okay, it will drop eventually and you'll be able to use your save.
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>>127190434

How long?
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>>127190469
It depends! If it's taking too long you can try hitting the admin of the site you're playing on on the IRC. But it usually was like 3-10 minutes for me.
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>>127190469
It kicked the old instance out after ten seconds of looking at that screen while playing on console back in 2011
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NIGGER SNAPPING TURTLE FUCK YOUR NIGGERNECK
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>>127191885
>NIGGERNECK
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>>127191885

better luck necks time
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>>127191885
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>>127191885
>NIGGERNECK
Jesus christ my sides anon.
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>>127191885
>niggerneck
FUCK
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it wasn't that funny
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>>127194201

fuck you
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>>127194201
What are you, a niggernecked snapping turtle?
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>>127194532
Ignore snapping turtle posts

do not reply to snapping turtles
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>>127194201
He's probably samefagging. If you're attuned to this place like I am, which I am not extremely proud of but hey, it is what it is, you'll recognize there's been an influx of new people lately, one of which is Italian treating this place like it's /b/ by posting tits to grab attentions out his posts when he asks something and unrelated images so we can blame him for everything.
It's annoying.
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I mean I don't wanna sound like a prude here but we don't really use nigger and faggot casually as insults and post nsfw stuff
I don't want to sound like an elitist even though I probably am because I enjoy the fact we keep this general more roguelike related than non roguelike related and we're generally nice to each other and haven't got tripfags or namefags and the shitposting comes in waves when someone decides to funpost but even then we have whole threads without anything but good old roguelike discussion and when I look in some other faster /vg/ generals it makes me want to come back here. I guess I just like using a general for its intended purpose and I've never seen this one stray from its path. Plus the games are fun as hell and there is always new content so it cannot stagnate and the users all discovered paint some time ago and it's a lot of fun to watch those images.

I'm just saying: If you're new around here please try to be less loud okay? Thank you. I am sure you'll enjoy your stay a lot.

Now for the roguelike part of my post, apparently in wiznode I CAN slime one eyed Sam but it's a tricky thing. Basically I get a one in four chance to slime him and I have speed 6, which is really bad. Since he's wearing speed boots and even if I haste myself I only get speed 8, which is one tier below regular speed so he could technically attack me before I slime him. I cannot be beheaded when I'm in slimeform, so that's something but I ended up having to quaff two potions of extra healing just to check if he was getting slimed, so I think I can do that and then quaff polymorph into a human again and smash a bottle in his face while I wear reflection so Inwon't die in case he zaps finger of death.

It's risky.
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>>127196689
His post was literally about roguelikes and nothing else, you nigger-loving kike.
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>>127196689
the 2-3 threads before this one have been quite stagnant if you dont count the 2 paint images of paint your current character.
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>>127195140
>>127196689
Great posts man, keep it up.
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>>127197410
Anon, it's the first of January and yesterday was the 31st of December. What do you expect?
>>127197282
>smug anime face
I accept defeat.
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>>127196689
>even if I haste myself I only get speed 8
Can't you use speed potion for more speed?
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>>127196689
>>127195140

This. Just take it easy. That said to the two people I quoted, it IS fucking 4chan. So let's also take it easy there and not fucking make the mistake of jumping around and giving them tons of attention so they wanna stick around shitposting.
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Reminder to take it easy. What are you fine folks playing tonight?
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>>127196689
fuck you, you niggerfaggot
>>127197941
Mozilla Firefox subgame "shitpost on 4chan"
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>>127197941
I'm reading a fantasy novel, with some breaks for the fcrawl beta
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>>127197941
thinking about continuing my DEFE who is currently in orc, but I am inebriated and do not want to splat him.
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I must not bait.

Bait is the thread killer.
Bait is the little death that brings total thread obliteration.
I will face my need to reply. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when the bait has gone past I will turn on my filters to see its path.

Where the bait has gone there will be no replies.
Only content will remain.
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>>127198130
Cast lots of fireballs and regen your mana by stair dancing.
>>127198127
Aww yeah. fcrawl is really cool from what I've played. What book, if you don't mind my fasking?
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>>127198280


niggerfaggot lesbian jew kike whore slut asshole shitfuck black
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>>127198280
that's probably the best version of the Litany Against Fear that I've seen in a long time, anon
Actual DuneRL with content when? A waterclock would be really interesting.
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>>127197941
Playing IVAN
I'll have to kill the armored for his fire rings because I have none
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>>127196689

you sound like someone kicked your cunt into your eyes
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>>127198280
What a wonderful coincidence.
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>>127198460
Aw shucks it's nothing

I found out nethack has crysknives, even though they're pretty bad compared to, say, silver sabres but might be good for an early tourist since they get to expert in dagger. Then again a unicorn horn is even better so they're kinda shit.
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>>127198696
Jeez you're pretty stacked for someone doing orc.
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>>127198696
>+5 shield
>deep elf
Am I missing something here
Have you found five manuals of shield or something
Also watch out for water
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>>127198460
What would you do in a DuneRL? Doesn't seem like a setting that would work that well with the genre.
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>>127198280
beautiful

>>127198338
>What book
I've been rereading my old fantasy books from when I was younger, so I'm just a little embarrassed. Currently I'm working through the Valdemar books in (in-universe, not printing) chronological order. Right now I'm on Storm Rising.
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I must not use my dune related trip
I will not put it on, not even to make a snarky comment
>>127198745
>crysknives
>shit
What the fuck Nethack, Dunehack when
>>127198893
I've won with a Deep Elf using a Large Shield before
But I guess at that point I had literally run out of skills to train, so I dunno
>>127198907
Wander the desert, kill invaders, finish the game by killing some sardaukar captain or something, desperately flail to stay alive while training up in the southern hemisphere
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>>127198893
-2 isn't that bad, and you don't need the full 15 to really get a lot out of a shield. He probably has really low shield level considering he only has 15 shield with a +5.
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Do Roguelike FPS games exist?
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>>127199242
Do turn-based FPS games in which movement is on a grid of tiles exist?
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>>127199242
>roguelike
>FPS
what would an FPS where you move on a granular grid look like
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>>127198893
I'm not too concerned with dumping more XP into offense at the moment.
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>>127199242
You can play brogue in FPS mode, but I don't know why you would.
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>>127199336

your moms bed
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>>127199242
definitionally no, there is no true fps roguelike

There are some things with roguelike elements that also have some fps elements. Eldritch is a minecraftlike first person dungeon exploring game with some roguelike elements. The first person horror games such as Amnesia: Dark Descent have some of the feeling of flavor and low-resources that one gets from roguelikes. The first person cthulhu games may have some of this too but I haven't played them myself. But none of these really plays like a true roguelike.
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>>127199242
>>127199424
oh and I forgot to mention the first person turn based dungeon crawlers, again not really roguelikes (there are no real fps roguelikes), but it may scratch that itch for you, assuming you're asking in good faith and not just to stir controversy.
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>>127199367
>bolt of fire and IOoD
Yeah that's all you need, you won't need to train any more spell skills for the rest of the game unless you want to get some utility spells (get haste and dflct/rplmissiles), get some dodging/armour/shield/long blades skill
Go find an MDA or WDA, and that's your ascension kit
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>>127199424

by FPS roguelike I mean is there an FPS game that is unfair and makes you want to smash your own nuts
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>>127199578
That's just a difficult game, not a roguelike. A roguelike is a turn-based RPG with movement occurring on a grid of tiles that is also permadeath and has procedurally generated elements.
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>>127199578
This is bait.
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>>127199564
>>127199564
I originally started training hexes because I never found repel missiles. Confuse has amazing utility when you have mana out the ass (and the spellpower to not have it miss all the time.) Cause Fear is a great panic button too. I know hexes are absolutely useless in extended though, so I'm glad I got archmagi to make them powerful without too much xp investment.
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>>127199848
Get Firestorm
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>>127199848
Yeah, I've never won with a deep elf that didn't worship Sif Muna, so I wouldn't know what not having spells is like.
>>127199913
firestorm is fucking useless if you're not zigrunning, bolt of fire/IOoD is almost always a better use of your time
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>>127199848
Confuse works on tormentors and hellions. But you'll probably just kill them.

>>127200032
FS is alright to get in postend if you have huge Int and enhancers. You get tons of XP in postend anyways.
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>>127200032
>Fire storm
>Useless
Firestorm is a free ride through extended. It isn't worth the exp investment before you have 3 or 4 runes however. Much easier to clear everything with bolt and OoD and have solid defenses.
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>>127200150
>enhancers
You mean wizardry, enhancers increase spellpower
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>>127199075
DDA has long worms and a desert worldven choice but eh
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>>127200272
does it have personal shields and lasguns
is there an overmap that you can only enter by riding a worm
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>>127200231
No, I mean enhancers. Low-power Firestorm is awful after 3 runes because it will barely scratch rF+++ monsters (which is like half of demons) and will take too long to kill even non-rF high HP targets. High power FS is fine.
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>>127200419
that would explain my experiences with DEFE post-end
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>>127200387
It has laserguns
No shields
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>>127200668
I know, I'm shitposting
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>>127200419
What about Glaciate, Tornado, Dragon's Call, and Singularity>
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>>127200839
Singulo is amazing all the time, too bad it's been removed
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>>127200839
>Glaciate
It has more resistance piercing, but less range. I actually liked it when I used it.
>Tornado
It's great!
>Dragons
Really strong, but every summoning monster has a chance of casting Abjuration half of the time they roll for their summoning spell, and monster Abjuration is really strong for some reason
>Singularity
Overpowered bullshit that deserved to be removed.
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>>127200839
>Singularity
Normally I don't like removal, but that spell was really obnoxious. I'm glad its gone.
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>>127200995

>I hated a particular thing and never used it. This means that nobody should ever be allowed to use it because I personally did not enjoy this thing.

You should be a dev.
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>>127201683
I am
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>>127201772
Post proofs
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>>127201772
put enslave back in the new version
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>>127201683
I actually used it quite a bit, it was my kill spell for a few ascensions and plenty of sprint. It was a nonsense spell that shouldn't have made it through trunk. Killing unique panlords from outside of LoS shouldn't be possible. It might have been fine if monsters could have pushed passed it. As it was before it was removed, it was too strong. Once must consider that by investing translocations, you get some of the most powerful spells in the game in the form of blink and cblink as well as a good number of buffs. Why should you get the most powerful level 9 spell in addition to the best panic button and powerful buffs? I feel it really pushed mages into a situation where you either found singularity and invested translocations heavily or you actually played crawl and picked up spells based on your needs.
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So, I haven't looked at Dungeon Crawl in awhile and my girlfriend told me they were dumbing it down in various ways. Can I hear someone else's opinion about where the devs are heading with it?
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>>127202298

>implying you have a girlfriend
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>>127202298
you should ask your girlfriend's husband, I doubt >she knows much about anything video game related
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FUCKING DOUBLE KILLER BEES IN AN OPEN ROOM FUCK NO FAIR RNG

...
ahem

I meant to type "why did I get greedy and not burn more consumables to handle them safely? Dying loses ALL the consumables."

The keys are right next to one another.

fcrawl, by the way
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>>127202298
>not even a new IP
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>>127202432

>having trouble with two bees
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>>127202298
They've been actively trying to make the game more difficult with lots of new monsters, but they also removed rMut, clarity and some other stuff for new powerful amulets. It has rubbed people the wrong way, but a lot of us resort to hyperbole and cry about the big bad removal wolf. What did she say in particular?
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>>127202494
only by my own free will
i'm a strong independent @ and I don't spend no potions for nobody
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>>127202432
You get a shitload of potions from clearing lair anyway. Do you really have that bad of a hoarding problem that you can't even expend a 2 to avoid certain death?
>>127202494
Have you even played fcrawl?
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>>127202730
well yes and no. It was much worse when I first started. In this case, they were the last two monsters on the floor, I killed 1, was kindof low, bumped for 2 rounds with the last one, got it really low, and decided to risk it, since if I succeeded I'd clear the floor and heal to full.

So it's slightly slightly less stupid decisionmaking than my post makes it seem, but still, it was Not Smart.
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>>127202545

Her complaints were along the lines of apparently how:
-every patch now is working on "pruning" things in the Blizzard sense of reducing them to nothing
-ranged was on the chopping block because they want it to be a "sometimes" option only
-Nemelex decks are completely dead
-removing amulets en masse

I know nothing about any of this because I haven't played Dungeon Crawl in quite some time, so I wanted to get /rlg/'s second opinion.
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>>127203308
>-Nemelex decks are completely dead
She's dumb.
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>>127203308
Most of us would agree with her on some of those points. They've been tweaking, removing and adding new things in a lot of areas, so the pruning thing is up for debate. But Yugi (while still very strong) will never be what he was, the amulet thing was really brazen and they really are considering some nonsense when it comes to ranged. Tell her to try out Pakellas and to learn how to have fun with a game that is permanently in development.
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>>127203561
Nemelex wasn't actually nerfed though, they removed wonders. which was rare unless you wonderscummed, which wasn't a very reliable strategy, but war and destruction are still strong and in fact some of the cards in those decks got buffed. THe fact that escape lost CBLink is probably a strong nerf to that deck though, but you still can get Tomb and other neat shit out of it.
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>>127202730

What the fuck is fcrawl? Is it a Crawl variant aside from Stone Soup?
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>>127202857
Yeah, your post made it sound like you didn't teleport out of this type of situation.
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>>127203734
Yes.
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>>127203734
it's kindof like something between brogue and crawl that plays closer to the puzzler side of things than actual DCSS. It's a ground-up superstreamlined rewrite in python, in a single succinct file. There are instructions linked in the OP if you want to give it a whirl.

There are no gods. There are no equipment items. You only gain experience (always a whole level) from stepping on an experience tile or clearing a floor. Clearing a floor heals you to full. Resting does not heal you. There are no traps or hidden doors. There are various types of monsters and enemy attacks, but the player's options come down to exploring, meleebumping, or using one of the 7 types of potions (that do things like teleport you, heal you, damage player and all monsters in los, map the level and all monsters in it, etc). The alchemy potion lets you combine two other potions to result in a new one based on their sum (so potion 2 + potion 3 = potion 5).

It's pretty fun and very streamlined/clear. It also makes me think that regular crawl should go content heavy, and let fcrawl be the "clean design" version of the game instead of having, as one anon put it, mixed pulls between a game that started originally like nethack but now has devs moving towards cleanliness.
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>that triple G room on the bottom
>>127203734
fcrawl is nothing like actual crawl aside from the names of stuff and what the monsters/potions do.
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>>127204621
Good two minute post-with-image timers.
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The Caves of Qud pasta really needs to be updated. There's a whole faction system and shit now.
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>>127204931
then do it yourself because no one is going to do it for you nigger.
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fcrawl swamp is like that one hangedman vault with all the smoke demons behind the bars, except they deal a bunch more damage and occupy the whole level.
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>>127205434
rip
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>>127205434
is there a server on which to play this?
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>>127205884
Not as of yet.
The game doesn't have saves at this point, so that would probably be a little wierd, but I know the guy has considered getting it on roguenex.us.
It's really simple to set up though and quite a lot of fun.
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>revenants in brogue
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>>127206146
>only offense staff in the run was vault /firebolt
>opted for ~empowerment
>no allies
>no negation
>no hope
Burning malpots to take care of revenants always hurts.
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Why do fiends have a higher HD than half of the hell and pan lords?
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get owned
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>>127207695
>XL20 Felid
>doesn't even have 100 HP
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>>127207774
>he hasn't 15-runed a gargoyle so malmutated to shit that he ascends with 70 max HP

Remember, less HP means less damage from torment.
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>>127207774
sheeeeeiiiittt
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>>127207896
Chei's so good, isn't he?
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>>127207896
Step out of time or some shit
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>>127207896
>strengthbuildvsdexbuild.png
YOU'VE KILLED THE BIRDS ON THE FEEDERS FOR THE LAST TIME SRUFFLES!
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so I learned the starting a quick fire in the basement for light in experimental z-levels for DDA actually spreads across z-levels
not that I don't mind this works but
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>>127208031
don't you talk that way about chei

>>127208052
yeah, step from time saved me
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>>127207896
>>127208294
>that hp increase
How many fucking levels of fighting did you get from V5?
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>>127208430
He is a statue in the second image.
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Should i roll a Wizard Troll of Gozag and call him King Midas?
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>>127208570
Ah, right.
I thought he just bleached his fur.
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>>127208093
Is that some kind of cheaty character or is it just bionics?
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>Kill a durrgin with a timely combo earlier
>New durrgin shows up later in the dungeon and find out from ha;f my health getting evaporated
>As usual, allies are about to get clocked for the sixth goddamn time thanks to their faggot AI cause I can't tell them to go and sit behind a corned
>Alright, I'll get behind a corner, negate him when he's in range, then quaff life and pound him
>mfw
Errytime.
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>>127208093
>8700+ Power
>all stats at 20+
How many years has your character lived?
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Group question: what's the hardest enemy/boss encounter in any roguelike you all are familiar with?
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>>127209290
27th floor mummy, pan lord, or orb of fire theme of a megazig in crawl
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>>127209290
Big J
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>>127206587
Ditto with traps. Trying to hold him in the gas of a caustic trap as he tears you apart is a horrible feeling. At least when there's a lot of chasms you can gamble on trying to find the food as you dive.
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>>127208989
I do admit 'cheesing' a rat cave because mutations can arise from radiation, and the rat king gives off safe amounts at short bursts. It was an interesting experimental game I played then (the rat king mut's been here since DDA created though afaik) and been porting my saves to new versions ever since.
>>127209075
so far looking at the .sav year 5 season 3 (winter) There's an option for eternal winter so I can be super comfy at all times
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>>127178151
Try rogue that takes treasure hunter at the start. Early on you can stab/calm mind restab, and kick melee to kil la lot of shit. The extra ammo from treasure hunter lets you shoot what you can't or will take too much shock trying to avoid or fight. In them idgame you have a metric fuckton of spikes and you cheese shit with kick then spiking them to the wall. In the late game you can jsut stealth all over with few fucks given. And when you do, you can just empty out your excess guns then chuck em. At the boss fight you have a couple tovs, dynamite, paralysis pots and enough ammo to get the job done as well as a wide selection of recovery and buff pots.

don't bother with the backstab feat, if you needed it to kill it, you probably shouldn't be trying to stab it in the first place and are better off being able to actually hit with a gun, carry more, or calm mind more.
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>>127209723
>foreign assault rifle
Is that the generic guns mod? I've never tried it out before but that seems to fit the description.

>5 years
Jesus christ, how big is your save file? And how do you play that long? I usually get bored after a year or two.
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>>127210008
Yeah I slapped on the generic guns mod for the heck of it, it definitely cleans up the gutter that is finding ammo for American-180 or some obscure gun
I only recently started again because Unreal World didn't do it for me despite its fun in the past, wintertime is p comfy, and free time comes hand in hand with experimenting

>how big is your save file
about as big as any other saves 100+ mb, I port my .sav itself (449 kb) here and there

here's some older pics (had a pretty cool artifact I left behind that had see through)
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Cleared Spider Nest and got the gossamer rune. Should i clear Shoals or Vaults first?

Hell, should i attempt the Hall of blades? XL 18 is decent, but there's no corridor to fight all those damned blades and sorceres, so i'd prefer to reach XL 20 first.
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>>127210732
With those spells I wouldn't go for blade. You'll get swarmed by highly resistant shit and killed from the noise. You should be able to chew through most if not all of shoals then flip flop with vaults
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>>127210732
Well, there goes my vaults attempt.
And thanks to my good luck, it was literally the only entrance there, i can't attemp vaults before killing Saint Roka or dying trying.
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>>127210732
Shoals -> Vaults until 4 -> Depths until its too much -> Vaults: $ -> Elf
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okay

Where the FUCK is the black market
the changelog says it's near medusa's level but I mapped from level 25 (below medusa's level) to level 19.

Can it not spawn?
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>>127211021
forgot pic.
>>127210978
Thought that too, and i can't chew my way with fists there.
>>127211036
Thanks for the help,i hope Shoals aren't too much of a problem: spiders gave me quite some trouble, but always had an out to surrounding.
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>>127211109
Can read tele, go down the stairs then deal with wherever it lands you. Wish you had a ring of tele but whatever.
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holy shit but yred makes swamp fun
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>>127211253
If you're ever getting tired of your allies getting picked off, tell them to wait on a cleared floor and you can recall bomb as needed. Where's your enslaved soul?
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>>127207896
Now that's what I'm talking about
>>127211253
>Lerny zombie
>not Lerny simulacrum
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>>127211173
>>127211173
But then how'd i come back to the main dungeon without meeting Roka and his berserk orcs?

I'm also stashing literally every single item of the game in my dragon lair located in the Temple, so i have to do many travels both for stashing AND for this reason.
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@??lernaean hydra simulacrum
Gretell simulacrum (Z) | Spd: 8 (swim: 60%) | HD: 30 | HP: 72-109 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Dam: 14(cold:30-89) per head | undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: magic(40), cold+++, poison+++, drown, rot+++, neg+++, torm | Vul: fire, holy++ | XP: 937 | Sz: Giant | Int: brainless.

Those are some fucking numbers
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>>127211369
They'll break up a little and you can pick off the sorc and some warriors then tele once you';ve cleared a bit. That you're an Eclecticist is a little worrying but between buff pots, magic, and summoning something's gotta give

Where the frick is your food?
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>>127211369
kill them using summon corridor/corner or something
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QUICK, POST THE MUSIC YOU PLAY WHILE ROGUELIKING.

I personally put a different theme depending on the branches of DCSS.


Main Dungeon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9WH4dPevfc
Lair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6fhQ8Vmu5s
Shoals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6lKjgmMoZ4
Elven Halls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFFdoGabc_U
Spider Nest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPd1TwL8YV8
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>>127211369
Why are you making a stash of all things? For fun?
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hey /rlg/, making a roguelike with tiles and need some advice.

is having an ascii mode necessary to be taken seriously?
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Fucking piece of shit isn't found with a fucking blessed scroll of magic mapping I fucking hate you and I am going to slime you so hard you asshole
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>>127211996
No as long as your tiles are distinct, informative, and don't look atrocious.
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>>127212057
What else would you use?mapping on anyway?
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>>127212179
I don't know
I never got this far
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>>127211892
there is, but you cannot anymore

>>127211889
Anything that's complex enough to enjoy when I pay attention, but also good background noise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVqPx5mUj0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXXvuCkxSxg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MeWtTnXXmA&list=PLnQrUKem2YKnfnxH7MOMbLGgJctJ-2hVn
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>>127211892
Fun, collection-whoring and a little bit of autism that every rougelike player has/needs. I just wanted to play as a dragon and make a huge stash of gold and treasure.
However, i have not found Dragon form spell yet, which sucks. I just want to be a purple, queer Smaug, is that a crime?
>>127211565
I have tons in my lair, but for the purposes of collection and stashing i just take a single stack of food. I have only 1 bread left now, so my diet will now consist of Beef jerky.
You guys have no idea how much joy and tediousness it takes to pick a different kind of fruit and add it to the collection.
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>>127211889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8NDwMqaGWA
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Gee dynahack how come your dev lets you have a two handed sword AND a large shield?
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Oh hey

I'm probably dead

I didn't know charming monsters in one eyed sam's shop made him angry
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yeah I expected that
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>>127202262
>or you actually played crawl and picked up spells based on your needs.
You mean you learn haste and regen, take a token damage school and train weapons fighting and defensive skills much further than your magic once you've learned your level 6 bolt?
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>>127212104
So basically yes
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>>127212763
But he's not wielding it right?

Can you wand snap enough to get by his reflection life saving, and AC?
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>>127213004
>take a token damage school
this is better than a school that does both escape and damage
>train weapons fighting and defensive skills much further than your magic once you've learned your level 6 bolt
that's not true for a lot of char types too
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Aaaand woops.

well, there was a 10% chance of that happening before I grabbed another potion of paralysis.

Things to remember: do not try to charm the monsters to lure them near the portal and then hit them to make him angry.
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But at least I never used any sokoban shortcuts!
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>>127182956
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>>127211889
I guess you asked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slr_xGSklqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQtWRXKsxu8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPO81Fz4s2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLyhWIh6jvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hiu1hPdJk-Y\
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7IKcBZqp3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRn9BRo4Igw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeSozAyIZ14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_C9S0F3pGU&list=PLaUYgcVRdK-Eam-TUsl7ECFx-_8KLsJsM
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>>127211889
Right now? Judas Priest.
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>>127211492
>cold:30-89
is this real
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>>127213394
PER GODDAMN HEAD
TWENTY FUCKING SEVEN HEADS
PREPARE YOUR ASSHOLE
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>>127213394
af_cold damage is based on HD (hit die, sort of like monster's experience level) and Lerny has huge HD (mostly because Lerny is a melee monster and melee monsters' accuracy scales with HD and by the time you hit Swamp regular hydra accuracy is really bad and even Lerny will miss a lot if you quaff agility and invis)

I wanted to say that there really should be an ending with Lerny simulacrum but 100 HP tops and fire vulnerability would mean the fight would be even more trivial than actual Lerny...
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So, I made a noob mistake and greedily jumped on a war axe that I saw on depth 8 when I only had a spear and a whip. It's a enchanted it twice to raise it to a +2 axe. Unfortunately it's an war axe of plenty. Keep or discard?
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>>127213080
Yeah, I mean the only thing crazier than a school that does both escape and damage would be a school that does buffs including literal invincibility, op summons, huge damage and gives passive slaying.
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>>127212280
>Mak has all the fruit
>Not fedhas
Seriously though, nice stash. Its been a really long time since I've seen one so organized. Not since that one guy who starved to death on his bread pile anyway.
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>>127211492
>>127213394
It's like a dark maul stab.
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>>127213979
>op summons
Haunt isn't OP and Simulacrum isn't a summon.
>huge damage and gives passive slaying
Both of those are one thing and don't work on a lot of enemies (still good).

But you're correct that Necro is best school.
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>try to learn crawl
>play plenty of MiBe and DEFE because all pastas and wikis say so
>can't play anything else because it takes 5x the time to level shit and progress in general
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>>127213619
Discard, you can't afford multiple tentacle horrors and shit and double dar priestesses sprials out of control quickly.. In the future, don't enchant without B/U/C testing at the very least.
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>>127211492
>still cant see invis
>brainless
:DDDD
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>>127213979
A lot of necromancy's power falls off in the lategame, with the exception of regen, borg's, Ddoor and necromut. All of them utility spells rather than huge damage and op summons. Haunt is great for a 5 rune and simulcra needs bodies. Passive slaying only works on the living and if you have a pain brand. Again, good for a 5 runer. Apport, blink, passage, phase shift and cblink are all top tier stuff, and singularity broke the game in half. Moreso than any other spell. Not a single enemy could figure out how to avoid getting chain singularity'd to death while you furiously channeled a staff from out of sight.
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>>127214549
>necromany falls off except for the four best spells in the game
not him and I agree with what you're saying but the "necromancy is anything but incredibly strong" meme needs to die
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>>127214549
You don't even need channel. Dig a killhole (or find a killhole), put a sing there, whoops, monster can't avoid it, monster can't damage it (but will try to), when it disappears pop another one until you feel more experienced. Great spell, amazing addition to Crawl, stupid shithead devs removing muh fun.
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>>127214549
And guess what, since necromancy doesn't want me to get a level 9 spell, if I don't get DDoor or Borg's I have a ton of excess exp to dump wherever so I can for example do berserker tier damage with my great mace.
Meanwhile if I do get Borg or DDoor the game is broken in half already.
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>>127214476
All Lerny Simulacra are going to be player created
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>>127214641
>mfw
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>>127214645
have you ever used dragon call?
because dragon call is passively summon smite targeted dragons on top of enemies and is literally the old summon dragon ball experience with none of the hassle. stupid op and absolutely brainless
only reason they removed singl instead of changing it in any way like IDK removing the fucking damage component or making monsters able to go through it is because devs are fucking lazy
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>>127214120
That was supposed to be the kitchen, i liked it better to keep all the food to one chamber, i used Fedhas chamber to put all kinds of different ammos and shooting items.

Thanks anyway, i like how this run is turning, and it is very satisfying to organize and see your collection growing.
The junk stashing is becoming a real annoyance, but hey, i said EVERY SINGLE ITEM must fall in my clutches.

Also, how many of these little interactions are there? Aizul sleeping on the job when he was supposed to guard treasures is a nice touch.
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>>127214884
>balancing spells instead of removing them altogether
L M A O
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>>127214641
I don't think anyone ever implied necromancy was weak. He simply made a hyperbolic statement about how necro has HUGE DAMAGE and OP SUMMONS which I thought was silly. Regen, borg's, ddoor and necromut are all incredible spells, but I wouldn't call them the best spells in the game. I'd reserve #1 for cblink easily, and the rest of the spots are pretty debatable as there are a lot of contenders. It all depends on what stage of the game you're in.

>>127214719
You should only be using borg or DDoor in situations where you really fucked up, or in a fucking ziggurat of all things. They're some of the best panic buttons, but I'd still rate cblink over them in terms of sheer power. And in older version of the game, if you invested more translocations after getting cblink, you got an even more powerful spell!
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>>127214884
>have you ever used dragon call?
I've used every level 9 spell wow what an achievement I'm so proud of myself. Dragons literally won't attack a target outside of your LoS and any enemy able of summoning will occasionally completely erase your dragon army in one turn. It's powerful, but it's nowhere near Sing.
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>>127214884
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>>127214896
Where are your noise scrolls?
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>>127215109
IMO Borg beats CBlink because it can save you even when you don't have safe LoS and it's also an unique effect that isn't replicated by a scroll.
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>>127215109
Actually, I take back cblink being #1. Its probably Haste -> cblink -> start the debate.
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>>127215278
Fist is GOAT
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avenge my brogue death /rlg/

99036611, super powerful ally run
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>>127215278
Ehhh, Fast status is good but a lot of games have enough pots and wands to get it for all the important fights and flights. Then again, if you're already going for spells it's usually easy to get if you have the book.
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>>127215278
The best spells in crawl are melee > haste > regen. cBlink is a close fourth though.
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>>127215278
Haste the effect is almost certainly the #1 effect in the game, but the wand is easy enough to acquire and keep charged that I would say the spell isn't #1 spell.
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>>127215415
Never again. I've lost allies so many times from their tendency to go full retard or find every trap my searches miss.
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>>127215674
>3 scrolls of teleportation
I figure that was a frustration suicide?
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>>127215512
>The best spells in crawl are melee > haste > regen
This being factually correct is one of the reasons why crawl sucks dick. Why don't they just remove spellcasting from the game, when it's inferior to tabbing, requires more button presses and the spells are boring and have heavy limitations to prevent scummy nobrainer behavior.
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This enough to farm some kind of wyrm?

>>127215880
Using arrowkeys instead of shift-dir or repeatedly using autoexplore is bad mmk.
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To be fair I don't know why anyone would really care about singularity itself being gone when now there is a level 3 version that does the most important parts while being accessible to a ton more characters. As far as I understand it doesn't have crashing against the environment though, which was super-fun.
Then again they really like to artificially cap the ability of low-ish level spells to be useful, so I can see it having all sorts of checks that gut it for no reason.
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Well it's safe to say I never want to fucking go through this again. In the end, 6 !*Healing*, 1 !Life, some !Healing and plenty of ?Genocide and ?Mass Genocide and a bit of luck not being pelted by rockets (2 rockets in a row would straight up kill me).
I spent ALL my money on gambling potions before the fight, like 2.5 million, and only got 1 !*Healing* and 2 !Healing.
Which ended up saving my life in the end, since as you can see, I'm all out of those. I'm sure he dropped all kinds of good items, but fuck that, there were dangerous things hanging about and the level was quite small, unfortunately. Why was it small? Because I had always small levels turned on like a retard. Forgot to turn it off for the serpent, I was hunting for uniques on other levels. Still somehow survived. But it was VERY close.
Chardump for now: http://pastebin.com/Y43dwd35
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great reward for the fucking bandit quest
asshole mayor
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>>127209290
Jack of Shadows especially when you have no dark resistance or blindness resistance.

Spectral wyrms are also bastards especially when you are trying to ride one.
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>>127215512
I suppose this is correct. I'd still rate cblink higher than regen, but its personal opinion at this point. Axe magic is too strong.
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>>127216567
Greater hell wyrms.
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>>127215349
>no Stone of Chaos
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>>127213040
>But he's not wielding it right?
yes he is. Unnethack made a special exclusion for him. And also made him a her.

Anyway, top 25 in dynahack's main server!
Do people even win this game
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>>127216567
>This enough to farm some kind of wyrm?
yes. Greater hell wyrms in arena 79.

I'd also like to add that the GHW drop less items than a great bile wyrm, so farming GBW is always a good idea with acid immunity.
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>>127217374
>dude who died in the gnomish mines got more points
man, I guess turncounts really influence the score a lot.
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>>127216567
Yeeees.

>>127217479
Spoiler says great storm wyrms are on level 58, does arena have an adjustment?
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>>127217898
No, they just *start* spawning there, but they can spawn in any level lower than that. Just spam monster detection and recall if it's not in your LOS until it is.
Also storm wyrms can't dance. Those two left feet bastards keep breathing wind at you and pushing you away. If you get two or more of them in a row the other basically blinks the first one with his breath and they can go through permawalls. They don't know how to conga at all. Also they hit like trucks even with immunity.
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>>127218096
Literally satan
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>>127217898
Also I hate to be that guy but if you had been playing with fixedarts, the shield of thorin would have been an excellent source of acid immunity.
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>>127218404
DON'T WORRY THORIN, YOU AREN'T GOING TO HELL ALONE!
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>>127216718
Congrats anon!
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>>127216718
Oh hey, you won!
Omedetou!
Slap that win in the ook ladder, man
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>>127218714
Yeah I guess it's time to finally make an account there.
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>>127218714
>>127218786
Okay, it's slapped on the ladder.
First 4.0 win in the top 50!
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Man we're kinda deadish today
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>>127220024
Should i post boring shit like the teal v breathes, low hp warnin, you have teleported, the pheonix comes into view?
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>>127220024
I rediscovered Ziltoid the omniscient and Z^2 so I'm just jamming. I should get off my ass and play some crawl while I still can.
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>>127220189
ZILTOID, ZILTOID !
AAHAAHAAHAAHHAHAHAH!
AHAHAHHAHAAAAAH!
AAHAAHAAHAAHHAHAHAH!
AHAHAHAAAAAAH!
ZILTOID!
THE!
OMNI!
SCIENT!
sorry i had to do that.

so is PosChengBand the current /rlg/ game ?
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>>127220760
Since it updated, yeah. I have yet to try the new version. I still have to kill big J on the OG android rune knight in the old version. I don't have the heart.
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>>127221325
OG?
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>>127221608
Original Gangster. The very first. The one that started the whole meme knight fad. I never ascended her.
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Learned knocked out is a thing that I probably didn't remember from back when I read the heavily obscured manual. Probably gonna hold off on trying again until next year. 27 hours and all that jenga for every upgrade in your arbitrarily crampt house is a bit much.
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>>127221953
>Butt Eel
Pfft. I'm sorry for your loss man. It never feels good to lose a dude in Poscheng.
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>>127222138
Butt Eel the legendary ass bandit centipede didn't last long but others have carried on in their ancestors name. Someone will stuff the serpents head and put it under his multi-hued boots.
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>>127221894
you made my pcb experiences a lot more fun, anon.
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oh yeah
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>>127222702
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>>127223417
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>>127223537
>Time
>Disenchantment
>+108
Those are some real spicy gloves.
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>>127223895
I'm thinking the -2 attack speed can be a dealbreaker for characters with not too many blows already.
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>>127223219
How damn, get some 1-5 speed boots, gloves of the thief, cloak of cowardice, staff of speed and be mega sanic
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>>127224008
So you're saying, as the name suggests, they would be quite the shebang for Tonberry monks.
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>>127196689
This anon gets it
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>>127223895
they were from my nightmare android RK. The problem with him was that when I put on items that broke the level count integer for androids ( the gloves were worth two million by themselves, which was about twice more than all my gear combined) my levels went down. Equipping those gloves instead of thanos put me at level 30 and when I actually wielded grond with those, so about six milion dosh, I was level 1.
Basically pants on head retarded, if I ever have the crazy idea of playing another nightmare dude I'll probably play a demigod of zeus or something.

>>127224008
I did 1050 damage on average with my staff of esculapius and five blows. If I put on the gloves I did something like 1600 but that was at level 30. The game refused to accept its defeat.
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>>127224408
Did you ever do dual-wielding with your RKs since if I'm reading the code right they should be able to master it?
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>>127198280
That was nice.
>>127198745
>>127199075
Crysknives are pretty damn good though, it's just that you usually find other stuff first.
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>>127225135
>if I'm reading the code right they should be able to master it?
never bothered with that since I usually find really good shields with immunities and resistances. Basically you're never going to melee anything ever after depth 90, so why bother?
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>>127225401
>Basically you're never going to melee anything ever after depth 90, so why bother?

I get that but you're being too pragmatic about this.
Wouldn't it be cool to dual-wield Stormbringer and Ringil while flinging manastorms all over everybody's ass?
Lods of emone has made you jaded.
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>>127225619
>Wouldn't it be cool to dual-wield Stormbringer and Ringil while flinging manastorms all over everybody's ass?
First off stormbringer is incredibly overrated unless you're sexy or you're using it against oberon/serpent. You don't want level 99 uniques awake and looking for you in a level that's not arena. Still haven't found ringil, but I got another one that was incredibly good, some weeb sword that slayed good and had an AFC.
The endgame is not about fun, it's about killing those pieces of shit everyone hates and being anally overprepared and just getting to the end of the game oh god I hate it so much
>Lods of emone has made you jaded.
Those who follow the path of the dosh become the dosh.
Cold and unloving.
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>>127224408
Is this enough consumables to get through Oberon and big J? Last thing I remember was getting pissed off at the Norsa and another unique on the same floor along with some asshole who kept going invulnerable.
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>>127224408
What's all the sources of permalight?

Demigod of ?
Helm of sunlight
Weapon of meltingx2
Head fixedart
Neck fixedart
Foot fixedart
Stone fixedart (4) - Wooden torch of demeter

79 fixedarts
Lucky rolls on randarts

I wish to be as grossly incandescent as the sun and 11(?) perma light is insufficient.
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ok
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>>127226332
Shame resists aren't retardedly critical. Especially with their new, much more brutal diminishing returns.
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>>127226170
>play time: 77:05

remember that your forms are going to be a waste of mana since oberon and J can and will dispel them the moment you cast them. Speed too, so I'd advise you to get more speed, about 40 in total so oberon won't be able to do doublemove on you. Also get the trump card in your light slot AND become a living trump capable of teleportation ( low chance when using your power, mostly it's just gonna be "you teleport at random" )at will so oberon won't be able to teleport you away.

But yeeah technically you have enough potions. I'd advise you to wyrm conga more until you get more speed.
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>>127225401
How does melee win and do shit past depth 90 then? Especially if you have poor to useless device skill.
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>>127226914
>How does melee win and do shit past depth 90 then?
they end up grinding for a lot more *healing* than anyone else would and that is boring and stupid and why isn't there a healing potion shop because that shit is retarded.
Also most of those dudes don't win.
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>>127227059
Thanks Chrisbama. That makes me feel a hell of a lot better about splatting now.
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>>127226215
I just noticed that guy isn't cosplaying Solaire ingame. For all the trouble of the setup, you'd think he should be.
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>>127227154
basically the bad thing of PCB is that classes that can cast herbal healing are going to spend 40 hours less than any other class grinding for *healing* or just runecheese it and gamble a shitload of those and that is stupid and wrong.
Also the dispel spell is the worst possible spell in PCB. I'd rather play furyband than kill the serpent with any kind of combo again.
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>>127226907
I have another 100 or so speed potions in my house. Is this what you meant about being a trump? I think I'll do some wyrm conga for funsies and see if I can't get some better boots. I need to get comfortable with the controls again as well.
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>>127227481
yes that's the one.

Honestly don't know what I'd do if I splatted an 80 hour dude so don't start a mass shooting if that happens okay anon
promise
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>>127227648
I won't splat her. She is /rlg/ history and will ascend so that she might spend eternity with her doshed out memeknight children. This war princess will fire her intergalactic deathray right into big J's asshole. I just need to re acclimate.
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>>127227964
Go team dosh!
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>>127227648
I dunno how you could hit a 77 hour run and all the splats it took to get that good without reaching some degree of inner peace for its inevitable death somewhere in the game be it angband 126, heaven, hell, or just killing yourself cause you've killed everything in the game.
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>>127228131
I've learned my inner peace from years of crawlin'. I'm actually not all that great at poscheng. Much of that time was spent figuring out the most effective ways to cheese and which runes did what for that shitty guide. I will begin grinding again posthaste.All that time spent and I still got some of them wrong too.
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>>127228618
What's something fun for a scrub? Chris apparently sees no problem with grinding and views learning how to speedrun as part of PCB but I can't take the earlygame. I've spent like, 300 hours in dungeons 0-40 before I get fukken told like some punk ass bitch.
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>>127227481
Where are your !Healing? Cause your staves are useless if you're melee
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>>127197941
Playing Brogue, consistently splatting past D:12 between breaks of restudying HS level math because entering Uni, remembering I'm not actually that smart
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>>127229173
Post your high scores list. I can get you into the 18's
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Could I survive the elven halls?

I'm thinking with all this magic resist I could do it.
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>>127227481
Wait, you can stack staves?
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>>127229517
Its not 4.0
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>>127229415
that's way too much MR.

>>127229517
he's playing 3.5, when staves didn't recharge.
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>>127229580

I really don't want to get banished. Literally all my runs seem to end in the abyss. I want to go to elf:3 and kill them bastard elfs. Show them who is boss.
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>>127229415
I wouldn't if at all possible cause your defenses are mediocre and health is kind of eh in the event of noise blowing you the fuck out.. You could maybe do the first floor and dip the second if you pick up rF+ in your z slot but you wont benefit from it. You don't need ego long blades or ego bucklers.

>>1>>127229517
Older version. Grind deeper and pray for a staff of mana storm with the power, capacity, or regen ego or just flat out a stronger device power to getm orem ilage out of it.
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>>127229415
>MiBe
For characters with good aptitudes like Mi, you usually don't need to enter Elf. The risk of getting swarmed by LCS/master archers/blademasters just isn't usually worth the potential gains of maybe a couple shops and the Elf:$ vault.

Could you do Elf with that character? Yeah, probably. Would I? Probably not.
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>>127229065
I had a lot of fun with the demigod archers. They're really strong and simple. I only died to Habu because I was dipping into dragon at level 31. I also fought him instead of running immediately too. When in doubt, just go with the rune knight though. There is a reason why everyone found it fun.

>>127229156
No healing. Only curing, *healing*, life and those staves. I'll probably grind a good amount for more loot.
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>>127229809
Even a Minotaur can benefir from and elf clear some time around when he's clearing elf. While uncommon, they can get useful rods and randarts. Especially randart jewelry. It can also be your last hope to get rcorr, rmutand other key resists before abandoning doing slime/abyss/extended.
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>>127229801

I have a weapon that has rF++

the +2 war axe "Nail Nidgh" {antimagic, rElec rF++}

I've not been using it through. Because it just a war axe.
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>>127229896
Habuuuuuuuu!!!

>>127229927
MEant when clearing Zot sorry,.
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>>127230010
Do elf now.
You'll probably die in Elf:3 vault but that's how you learn.
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>>127230010
Put elf:3 on V:5 to Z:5 difficulty until you're experienced enough to know how to handle it better. Things rapidly go to shit there and once it has it's often fatal.
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>>127229927
I didn't say that he couldn't benefit from it, I said that it's usually not worth the risk. There's a difference.

Elf is overly dangerous for the reward it offers on just about any character, and the only reason to ever go there is if your combo is *really* struggling and you know exactly what you're doing and your character needs the boost before tackling lairbranch endvaults.
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>>127229350
Can't, gonna study now
Any tips that aren't in the pasta would be appreciated
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>>127230243
Eh just post your highscores when you get time. It amounts to learn to gauge your effective strength to handle the power curve of vamp bat pack/ogre, dar blademaster, ogre shaman/wraith, and so on before they pop up. Using malpots, traps, deep water, chasms when possible to save enchantment. Not using staff charges frivolously and limping by with your crappy floor drop armor/weapons to make sure your staff can hold out. On average, by around d:8 you've gotten enough floor drops and vaults to give you a coherent kit and a couple items that had enchantments. If you're having trouble with putting a kit together cause you don't know, you can use the seed catalog to try items out to see how well stuff plays out. If someone reposting the 80k seed catalog you can get a lot of shit like +4 armor/weapons, +3 runics, +5 rings/staves, and the occasional seed with dom/plenty.
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>mfw I can just play centaur with a spear and run away + evoke
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>>127230773
>yfw hasted+swiftness bardiche stabbing melee fo' days without getting a single scratch
>yfw deflect missiles is up
>yfw the skeleton/zombie/simac halocaust
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>>127230773
Done a centaur skald or picked up spectral weapon?
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>>127231108
I thought about it, but the point of this guy is to run away and then stab. If I use spectral weapon then I get hit anyway because the weapon gets displaced.
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>>127226215
There's a glove fixedart that gives 1 permalight.
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>>127230172
>>127230190

You guys sure it not worth doing elf?

I just got a +2 boots of rF+. Do I need poison resist on elf:2/3?

I could have rF+++, rC++, rElec, rN+++. But, I would have a crappy war axe that is antimagic.
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>>127231556
He's what happens. You tab into a bunch of elves and everything is fine one moment. The next a door opens you're getting engulfed by firebalsl and obliterated by blinkspam arrows and every teleport repeats the cycle until you can't quaff heal wounds fast enough and you die or you escaped after wasting precious consumables for nothing of value. Blade in elf:2 is even worse because they're very fast, durable, hit crazy hard, are quite accurate and then add in their egos on top of that. The once you head to either third you're 1 shout away from getting slammed by spells and arrows as protection and elecrtrocution scimitars carve a new anus into your chest. Do it later when your defenses aren't 20/17.

Yes you do need rpois, those faggot summoners shit out a lot.
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>>127231556

Elf is extremely deadly, even more so for melee characters. Casters can do it with planning and a few creative spell uses like freezing cloud etc, but as a minotaur you're going to have to facetank hasted elf blademasters and hordes of DE annihilators pelting you with LCS

also summoners are going to constantly gangbang you the whole way through with demons, you can probably handle it but E:3 kills a lot more people than Z:5
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>all these sissies not always killing all elves
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>>127231556
I actually did alright with elves when I worshipped qazlal
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>>127232408
>>127231936

Okay I'm going to the swamps
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>>127232408
I think the easiest Elf I ever did was with a DECj with a max power firestorm since all the elves just get one shotted out of los in their vault.
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>>127213081
>>127213176
amusing tale of woe :<
I read the earlier posts too I just don't want my post to be a huge line of quotes

>>127216718
Whoo congrats on the win!
>always small levels serpent fight
>>127217898
jeez anon that's a pretty lucky thing to survive

>>127217898
nice randart thorin

>>127221953
rip :< and yeah stunning is awful, a single !CCW will clear it though
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>>127232498
I do, but I ain't gonna do it at xL:18 with only 20/17/0 defenses, ~160 hp, on a non-steath run with no spells incl haste/silence, launcher, and likely insufficient evo and golf bag of devices. It's just unecessary risk for little to nothing in elf 1. Elf 2 is more likely to kill him or at least burn a heap of consumables before he can potentially get an exec axe or some decent swap axes out of it. Tackling elf:3 that early as he was would drain the heck out of his consumables for shit he'd have little use for. It's not going anywhere, he can tackle blade after he finishes swamp if he can, dungeon, and dip vaults before hoping for a good weapon to +9.
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>>127217479
Monster memory says hell wyrms carry up to 12 good objects, while bile wyrms only up to 7.

Ice wyrms are probably the most efficient, up to 10 items and the lowest hp of the elemental wyrms.
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>>127232904
Am I retarded and knocked out was covered in the manual and I just forgot? Near as I could tell up till that knockout it was just increasing my device fail rate.

>>127233040
Freeze/burn destroying items is what I think he means.
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>>127232974
>falling for the potentially dangerous spellset meme
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>>127233238
After burying enough runs you learn around elves watch yourselves.
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fkjashdkshkjfahs rlg kurwa blac i wanted to wish you best but for whateeer err fucking reason I fucking ocudnlrt ourwaaaa and i mean sooo I LOVE YOU EHM askdajkhgaskjdas i odninttn know what tosayu
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>>127233149
there is a little bit on it in the file on defenses. Defending.txt or .html.
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>>127233408
After burying enough elves there's no reason to watch yourself.
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>>127233698
Heal on kill, shield that negates attacks, plus a high powered AoE tends to have that result yes.
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I'm trying to do my first 15 rune, just cleared Tomb and Slime, where should I go now? Or does it really not matter in what order I do things. Besides this weapon I also have a +9 holy eudemon blade.
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>The Spectral Wyrm breaths disenchantment!
>You don't want to live on this planet anymore.
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>>127234872
Abyss is generally easier than the hells. The hells are generally easier to get safe and rest in than pan, although some of the hells have very dangerous floors.

You probably want do to abyss first, assuming that you've already cleared depths and zot.
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>Somehow end up with nowilderness birth option despite not choosing it
>Keep getting it and no more choice when making a new char
>Splat 2 trump rogues
>mfw
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>>127237225
>Speed, blessing, mon conf
>Conf doesn't stick, of fucking course it doesn't
>Get torn apart
>Phase door away
>Use my only healing pot, a serious wounds
>About to consider honorabru seppuku rather than be killed
>Well might as well roll the spider trump dice an...
>Mob of cave spiders tears hobbes apart
Did not see that coming at all.
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beta for a new tome4 version is out. changelog doesn't look very exciting though.
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>>127233040
>hell wyrms carry up to 12 good objects, while bile wyrms only up to 7.
what race gets fire immunity? Balrogs?
It was probably just high fire resistance.
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yeah apparently yeeks are the only non-monster race that gets a racial immunity.

Warlocks also get fire immunity at level 50.
monster race balrogs get fire immunity and charge drain resistance at level 40, which is nothing to sneeze at if they weren't a monster race and inherently sucked because they have to grind to get *healing*.

Conclusion: PCB is the only game in which yeeks are strangely overpowered.
>great abilities
>stats aren't that bad
>acid immunity at level 20 means acid will never destroy items or degrade armor (there's a chance even with >75% resistance) and acid will not hurt you, ever
>ridiculously low xp penalty
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>>127238743
>wanted to do a super low xp rate run as a gimmick cause pcb is suffering
>Take munchkin snotling tourist to get all them lowest modifiers
>Munchkin gave a bunch of broken shit and high stats which ruined the otherwise cool 50%, 45%, 70% xp rate
Be a hell of a drug to be level 50 by like, camelot.
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>>127238743
I don't understand the wyrm conga as a yeek, though.
Won't they just maul you in melee anyway? Your HP is low and shit.
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PCB is way the hell longer than normal Angband right? Because my Angband guys take weeks to lose and I can't figure out how anyone who has a job and/or other hobbies would ever beat this damn thing.
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>>127239307
>Your HP is low and shit.
say that to my face and not online, see what happens.

no but seriously they're not that bad. If you have 100 AC and a decent vampiric weapon you should be good with just a staff of healing when they get a lucky shot. None of my yeeks, even the monk of nature one, ever died when doing the conga.
Their HP is really not that bad. At level 50 I usually have 900 HP.
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>>127239539
Well this thread's possessor win has like 68 hours. I don't know how long the average vanilla win takes.
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>>127239539
> and I can't figure out how anyone who has a job and/or other hobbies would ever beat this damn thing.
20 hours, even counting grinding for *healing*, is an average timecount for winning PCB.
I just sit down and play my roguelikes for two hours each night when I come back from work.
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how do I play PCB on linux?
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>>127240072
answer: wine.
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>>127239748
>20 hours, even counting grinding for *healing*, is an average timecount for winning PCB.
*an* average, or your average?

I'm pretty sure I'm slow as shit in any roguelike anyway, too much second guessing or mild retardation or whatever.
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Well, this looks balanced. He even resists time.

I'll recommend Bast as another cool form. +20 innate speed, nearly 300 AC, very high stealth and device skill, healing spell, and mediocre damage
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>>127240449
well okay. My first win took 60 hours. The other five took 20 hours. but seriously if you conga doing anything over 20 hours is super weird and you probably smell.
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>>127240598
>14d14
>mediocre
that's like
better than any weapon ever
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Could I survive vault:5?

The problem is I could either teleport, but I would have to get rid of my MR++ ring.

I'm thinking if I drink a potion of might, potion of agility, potion of speed, trog hand and then go down I could kill everyone and not need to teleport.
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>>127226215
praise the sun

>>127237225
weird. You're SURE your birth options list (which you can reference but not change after spawning) didn't appear during chargen and didn't let you change wilderness mode? Try getting a fresh copy of poscheng perhaps. Again, weird.

>>127237524
lol, that image captures the sentiment so nicely

>>127240072
>>127240348
well, you can compile from source though obviously that means a bit of fighting with your computer to get it to actually build. I do that even on windows.
github.com/poschengband/poschengband

>>127240598
that's not bad damage! It's not one of chris' legendary endgame joke poses that could kill the serpent in 7 rounds but it's playable.
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>>127240896
No, this is Locke.

Bast hits for 12d12, 2d12, 10d5, 15d1 (plus some status effects that don't matter because everything resists them), which sounds good until you realize that you don't get the +dam or slays from a weapon.
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Does raising DEX on a Tonberry do anything at all, since they're limited to one blow?
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newbie here, how do I get good at dungeon crawl soup?
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You know what

nightmare mode sexy yeek monk of nature.

Just because I hate myself.
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>>127241729

Just play minotaur berserker. I can make it to 3 runes with that and I suck.
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>>127241461
I don't think they're actually limited to a single blow. They get a reduction in blows as they level that caps out at -2. So, yes, Dex will still help you get more blows.
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>>127241989
I was thinking more in the Monk terms, since I'm not going to be using any weapons that might increase blows and stuff.
God fucking damnit I promised myself to stop playing PCB for awhile after that harrowing possessor experience.
And here I am starting up a Tonberry monk of nature.
Why is this game literal crack
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>>127242187
It's an excellent implementation of the skinner box.
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>>127242187
>I promised myself to stop playing PCB for awhile
and here we are again.
Let's see whose monk dies first.

I double dog dare you to play nightmare mode.
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>>127241729
Watch the MuMo videos to see how to play cautiously, then do that.

Walking away is the most powerful ability in DCSS. Never engage any fight that you don't know 100% you will win.

If you've already engaged on something, use whatever abilities your character has to stop it from dealing damage to you. Throw rocks, use needles, nets, wands, magic spells, whatever your character has to mitigate the threat *before* your HP gets low. If your HP is less than 100%, you should already be looking for a way to escape. Stairs, scrolls of teleport or blink or fear, haste, swiftness, fog, whatever you have.

If you play like your character is an abject coward at all times you tend to do pretty well in this genre.
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>>127242495
I've already started on normal
But if I splat, I'm gonna do nightmare. Which might be unwinnable as that combo.
I mainly started this one because I can't get the gloves of master tonberry out of my head. I need this in my life.
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>splatted 9 times in a row in ice cave
>still go in every time
why
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I win!
>>127242717
>I can't get the gloves of master tonberry out of my head.

I am so sorry, anon.
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>Trump rogue round three
>Still on no wilderness birth cause I can't figure out how to undo it now that it's no longer prompting me for this shit
>Rogue reward is a fucking sling
>Can't get an exceptional weapon near my use class
>Not even a good
>Think most of my nons capped at beginner instead of skilled and didn't look cause ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>Broke as fuck cause the clas and realm is ass and if mine to crutch the start one more time I'm going to kill myself and have my hand cut off then sent to chris
>Everything cursed to heck and back cause of crypt creeps combined with chris' decision that having more than 2 remove curse scrolls in levels 1-30 is !FUN AND INTERESTING SITUATIONS!!
>Unskilled dual wield gains fall apart almost immediately but if you don't scrimp every tiny little gain I'll get assfucked in the midgame forced to not dw or dive until lack of OP gear kills me just to be able to hit the broad side of a barn
>Can't hit anything for shit anymore even if hell freezes over and I land a hit
>Spiders going full retard and getting all fucked up
>Have to try and teleport my way out
>Bad room after bad room
>Cat party room
>DYWPI?
I feel like a battered house wife. It gives me nothing but grief, it's completely not worth it but I keep coming back.
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well, this was marginally better.
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>>127240598
Can you share a quick text file of what forms you found useful when? It'd help a lot

>>127241130
Son of a bitch, it was his new faggot race pick maze I mean menu doing it. That explains it.
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>>127243790
Try using a different savefile and see if it still doesn't give you options at birth. I mean there's literally no reason it doesn't.
Are you sure you're not skipping the prompt?
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>>127244347
Turns out I was using beginner cause that's where I knew human was. turns out it configs a bunch of your shit as well.
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>>127244430
Yeah, that explains it. Just use normal for, well, normal, and monster for playing monster races.
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>>127244492
I was tearing my hair out the first time I tried to find death sword. I have zero idea what possessed him to take a terrible menu system and invent a way to make it worse.
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>>127244628
It's a long-term experiment to find out how much will we take and still play the game.
And I'm not quitting anytime soon.
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>Make mistake of playing draconian and faulting
>Make mistake of playing OpAs afterwards

Oh god why I must suffer so much.
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Oh yes
I had almost forgot this part about nghtmare mode, the OOD spaws.
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>>127244746
How can you fault a draconian? They're pretty bulky.
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>>127244764
Meanwhile, in Tonberry land
MY FUCKING BOOK YOU MOTHERFUCKER
Oh now I'm mad. I'm gonna beat him into a pulp.
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>>127243984
Just what weak combo is it that you died in bandit quest at level 6?
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>>127245258
I'm playing NIGHTMARE mode anon.
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>>127244764
ouch, that really hurt!

>>127245249
Well, you DID hit him in the groin with your knee.

>>127245258
nightmare, among other things, gives all enemies +10 speed. Note earlier the kobold double-moving him in >>127242794
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>>127244924
I am bad at the game.
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wat do
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>>127245426
I sure have.
It's funny how the message about the thief fleeing displays after he died.
RUN LITTLE GHOST
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>tfw you find an atomic coffeemaker in the first house you raid
This thing is op as hell and makes no sense, but I love it anyway.
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>>127245495
Any one of those 5 but the orc would have been an instand leave in that sitch, and if you ran into them in a hall the priests/centaur would get a curare and the wiz needles. Be less aggressive and know how much damage they can do using the wiki.
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>>127245579
yeah that's an ancient bug in the *bands. There's actually a post on the official forums bug thread for Vanilla complaining about it. Presumably something to do with the recursive nature of effects and the message system that causes the status-effecty-type-thing (e.g. "stolen") to print after the resolution of death.

The classic example from many *bands comes from fighting melee statdrainers:
>It hits you.
>You die.
>You feel very stupid.
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>>127245830
It's not like it's incredibly challenging to go smash 2 ovens, make a brazier and smash a living room to be able to cook and read all night is oh so challenging or a limited resource. Don't get me started on using your first 50 duct take to put a trunk or cargo carrier on a wood frame so you can haul a full seasons worth of wood from 2 hours of logging in one trip.
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>>127245841
>know how much damage they can do using the wiki
you don't need spoilers to play dcss :^)
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>>127246045
I'm sure nobody thought that particular message was a bug
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>>127245504
they haven't noticed you yet so you're fine. Step into the doorway, light a motlov, chuck it into the room. Or else, just fleeing works too.
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>>127245830
That thing is so fucking retarded I swear to god. It also counts as a permanently lit hotplate so you can craft with it.

I mean of course, what would anyone expect from Rivet?
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>>127245504
Jesus christ how horrifying. Nope around the corner and hope they come your way to stab them up.

>>127246104
If you can't learn from all the times they annihilated you ass, you get put in timeout in the spoiler corner. :^)
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>>127246261
We have camp fire drills and fires without a woodstove or equivalent aren't a smoke apocalypse anymore so it pretty much doesn't matter at all.
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>>127246269
>>127246252
i ran past them to this hallway because its the only route towards the staircase. hopefully i dont end up having to do something loud and aggro them
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>>127246687
you just needed to break LoS with a corner so if one shouted you wouldn't instantly get shot at by 5 dudes. You'd be able to stab 1-4 of them then calm mind to restealth and stab the rest for a ton of ammo and maybe a +2 dagger. Speaking of, if you have the level 2 stealth feat just go stap the fuckers
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>>127246886
maybe once i find the staircase i will hunt them down for their xp and loots. i will try to cornerstab them.

i do have the level2 stealth perk.
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Yeek dude, we became the same for a moment here as the Variant Mantainer polymorphed me.
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>>127248065
I am touched. I'll try not to splat this dude tomorrow!
hahahahaha
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>>127247649
Good. You always walk a thin line of to use gun ammo, having enough common ammo to use instead of stronger rarer ammo. those walking ammo sacks area godsend
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>>127246261
>permanently lit hotplate
I need to find this this ASAP.

Also finding no and using the atomic nightlight has made me want to have one irl. It's like a forever lasting glow stick.
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>>127248829
radiation is not forever anon ;_;
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>armour shops in both Outpost and Morivant are 5k
Just strike me down where I stand.
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>>127248829
Get a sheet metal from an oven or locker that's not your evac lstoragel ockers. Craft a brazier. Craft a camp fire drill. Burn 2 2x4's for 2 hours of light and heat. Ifi t's a long craft time or batch, light a skewer which is 5 per 2x4 or 40 per log. Pile more on as needed.
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Now can I go to elf3?

I might also try to find hell. If I go to hell the fire part I think I can do it.
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>>127249509
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>>127249871
Hell is extended endgame. Don't go in there if you don't know exactly what you're doing.
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>>127249871
Do slime and abyss before hell. If you can't at least do abyss you have no chance in hell.
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abyss, then elf

that way if you get abyssed in elf, at least you know what to expect and can probably handle it
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Interesting PCB classes? If I play any more death sword I'm going to get autism.
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>>127252519
I'm sorry anon, but playing PCB is already a sign of autism
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>>127252846
I'm sorry anon, but playing as an adult is already a sign of autism.
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>>127252519
Ninja if you haven't tried it before
I'm partial to warriors and rogues
Dwarf priest of crusade primary and life secondary
monster race ring, mimic, possessor are all interesting
mindcrafters are kindof neat
psions
wild-talents
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I nearly died to this thing when it summoned a wyrm of law and one of space-time, but it dropped a corpse and I managed to shuffle away with it.

It resists everything except blind, what's up with that? and even has room for improvement since my stats are fairly low, thanks to lucky personality and it's hard to get good stat bonuses on rings.

>>127252519
Ring is death sword spellcaster, if you like the gaining power from items play style.
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>>127253196
Ooh congrats on the GWOP corpse!
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>>127253000
>Implying
I only play as cute shotas and lolis, otherwise i can't properly roleplay the character
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>>127253437
>not being the cockring of power on fuccboi robin hood
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>>127253196
Make sure to summon plenty of D's for the serpent fight and let them summon their own D's. Will make the fight a lot more manageable, although the serpent tends to completely delete summons from existence.
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>>127253534
>The foo throws you
>It shoots/hits/breathes
>dywypi?
There's a reason some people just startscum until they can land a sorc whatever in the glass castle. It's miserable.
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Well I'm starting to appreciate Nature's utility.
Detect all + mapping in one spell? Sign me the fuck up.
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Oh hey, I found the "if you teleport into this you're already dead" room.
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>>127254528
yeah nature's definitely a strong utility realm
Its main weakness is for pure-casters because most of its offenses are resisted by lategame monsters. You really need the Stone of Nature's spellpower bonus to nature magic for lategame offense, usually water ball. And if you can swing it, the Spear of Athena.

>>127255362
>mushroom themed room
jesus chris how horrifying
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>>127255362
That's not so bad.
I once teleported into a room with 27 chaos tiles.
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>>127255919
Yeah, but at this stage of the game it's pretty instakill, especially if the magic mushrooms instantly shut down your magic, which they will.
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AAAAAAATATATATATATATATATATATATA
Ninja can be fun.
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>>127256056
But they do no damage.
Does no magic prevent reading tele as well?
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>>127256056
Just tele. If you have to tele, quaff speed, read recall then spam tele and cure critical wounds for like 40 turns. As a side note, melee should have a launcher or devices. No caster should be without a couple offensive devices.
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>>127256193
Ninjas are usually pretty fun IMO
And they are pretty good (as are many classes I guess) at wielding a poison needle for melee.

also
>The Hoard
fuck that guy in the rectum with the wide end of a rake
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>>127256768
>The hoard steals your rod of recall and teleports away
>The hoard steals your rod of detection and teleports away
Ad infinitum. With all the thieves, mana stormers, summoners and shit in the game it's like the point of the game is to kick you in the nuts for not being something with good device skill spamming wands of rockets/staff of mana storm
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>>127216368
>heavy limitations to prevent scummy nobrainer behavior.
explain this, give examples
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>weaponmaster digger
>level 20 and still using the same 1d3 pick I started with

send help
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A cute hidden feature is that you keep the fear aura when possessing something that has one.
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Do I go to the abyss now?

I'm pretty scared of mutation as I picked really bad ones up from slime.

I have 2 INT. I can't go any lower so I think I have to wear the sustain ring.

I also have an axe of distortion. I'm guessing if I equip it and unequip it a few times I will get banished.
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>>127246052
Okay, maybe "op as hell" was an overstatement. It's still tremendously convenient, though. At 3 volume, I can carry it with me and make herbal tea whenever I'm thirsty, instead of having to stock up at base.

>>127246261
I don't think it works as a hotplate, though. Nope, just checked. I can only use it with recipes that actually list the coffeemaker as a tool requirement. Coffee, tea, clean water, salt, and for some reason, sealed stomachs. No generic hotplate crafting.
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>>127258493
You'll want to find a portal to the Abyss in the Depths.
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>>127258679

Its quicker just to play with the axe.
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>>127258493
Also, since you are 0.17, you might want to take an amulet of rMut with you.

And good deal of food.
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Do anyone have the chardump of either successful MuMo runs, like VinniePaz or Implojin ?
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>>127258821

I can't find the amulet of mutation. I even been to the elf:3. I can't even get cure mutation to get rid of the dopey effect.
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>>127258261
great treasures will come to you but only if you trust in the pickaxe

>>127258308
spooky
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>>127257260
Consider how spellcasting works in most other roguelikes. There is a mana/energy cost and usually a fail chance. This is similar to melee, which has an energy cost and a fail (miss) chance.

In DCSS, not only is there a mana/energy cost and a fail chance, there is a hunger cost and if you fail casting, bad things can happen. There are also the contam mechanics which only potion/wand using melee characters really need to worry about too much.

I figure anon's reference to scummy no-brainer behaviour was tongue-in-cheek since melee is an absolute no-brainer in crawl and despite all these costs in place, rest-casting regen is still optimal despite being tedious and scummy.

A lot of people feel negatively about magic in crawl, since the best spells are universally the ones that help you melee better/for longer, or escape. Low-investment buffs and such. Casting high level spells effectively requires so much more than just levelling axes/fighting/dodging/armour up a bunch.

>>127258493
Just go win you shitter. If you're set on going for more runes then abyss/crypt into pan is probably your next course of action. There are free portals to the abyss in depths too, unwielding disto can contaminate and mutate you badly and you should only do it if you are going for vow of courage and don't get abyssed in elf/vaults,
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>>127249253
>real-world radioisotope thermoelectric generators have half-lives less than a hundred years
>you will never, ever be allowed to own one
why even live?
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>>127258261
Never played them but yeah your base weapon seems to be kind of dick. But at least you can enchant them up to your current limit based on your character level. Mattocks will rarely show up after floor 50. Floor 40 with lucky.. Around then top off your progress in the telmora arena, clear extra dungeons you can, then you can start reforging all those useless junk artifacts onto them. On the flip side, you can reforge some lower powered artifacts onto your 1d3's earlier. You'll rarely get anything good. Maybe a +2 stat or a single brand but you might be able to shake something loose. headwear of the troll, slaying gloves and I think it was olog-hai armor give slaying bonuses. I had +33 playing on my last run and if I wasn't nigh-illiterate and put my flame tongue ring in the museum I'd have had 2 brands from gear and 3. You should bump into 1 or 2 randart cloaks with slaying or get a cloak with sheathes. Even getting sheathes on misc gear, that damage adds up too. If you didn't get slaying gloves, you can get additional brands from some gloves like paurhach, paurin, paningsgkjajk, and occasionally a brand from a ring. Don't throw out awful rings without iding, you can still get one with a brand on it.

>>127258585
By summer at the latest you should have a keg of dirty water, a keg of clean water, and a waterskin/large waterskin of clean from them in your shopping cart. not that it's not nice to have and all but still.
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>>127232408
Fucking mumos that take 50% HP in damage from a single DE master archer flame arrow can beat elf, you can too. This "elf is hard" meme needs to fucking die
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>>127259891
I see, thanks for explaining
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>>127260234
Elf is hard for bad people and people that need to ask are universall exceptional at making chains of very very bad decisions. What needs to die is you groupies.
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>>127258261
In theory, shovels are light enough to dual wield.

I have no idea how practical this is.
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>>127260472
No you faggots that make sweeping generalizations about some particular thing in crawl (e.g. branch difficulty) need to die. Elf is literally not hard at all
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>>127260660
Cool story bro.Go send the 20,17 tabtaur into elf
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>>127257260
a high level caster in Angband can create stairs wherever he wants, recharge wands, and teleport enemies away with no chance for them to resist

dcss won't let you do any really crazy stuff that could be theoretically be abused by a robot with infinite patience

>>127259891
dcss gives you full hp/mp recharges between fights and anything that prevents you from autoexploring to the next enemy is allegedly tedious and the rest of the game is built around that
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>>127229415
>Could I survive the elven halls?
Yes you can. Just don't play like a retard.

>>127260770
done
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>>127260660
>literally
can we get a word filter on this
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>>127261283
Campbell bless
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>>127261615
>Yiuf doesn't have his Xom follower dialogue
What did you dooo
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>for some reason Smeagol attacks me all of a sudden, in town
If that happened to a fresh char I'd be mad.
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>>127240765
What if you don't conga? Would you still probably smell?
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Aside from the demon fuckers always getting in your way, is there any real downside to self-race sacrifice in nethack if you're cahotic?
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>>127261923
Smeagol doesn't do damage.
He can do this though.
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>>127261923
Angwil always has more frequent and dangerous monster spawns than the other towns. I'm not even sure if it ever spawns the regular townspeople types. I think it acts like part of the wilderness or something, being an unwalled forested outpost.
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>>127241017
Maybe, if you don't get perma-locked in by wardens and spam trog handjob when you have a respite to heal up for the next encounter. Use magic mapping to find the safest quadrant (i.e. something with chokepoints or pillars)
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>>127242743
good loot is why
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>>127261923
Angwil isn't a safe town.
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God damn how long does the Variant Maintainers confusion last
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>find a cap of Thengel in Doom Quest I
It provided like never before, perfect for a monk. I'm not seeing myself taking it off until endgame hattery.
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>>127263059
Until you die.
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>>127263236
I noticed ;_;

I guess I learned my lesson not to approach without resisting confusion 100000%
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I asked this over a year ago here, but maybe someone might know now with how popular PCB has gotten.

I played a game around 1998-2000 that was set up like the town in PCB, same with the wilderness, but it was party based. You went to a guild and hired additional party members, and it played moreso like an old M&M game without any non ASCII visuals, but there was permadeath for the characters, unless I missed some way to revive them. I didn't get into roguelikes until I found IVAN in 2004, so it didn't occur to me until a year or two ago that this might've been a really interesting roguelike/lite that I didn't really invest enough time into. Anyone know what I'm talking about? I couldn't find it on basin.

Pic unrelated.
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>>127263447
Guild?
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>>127263372
well, that's not entirely fair
you can clear him pretty easily if you hold ctrl and attack in his direction (so you strike without moving, in case confusion would move you to a different tile). You're still more likely to attack in your input direction than in the others, and he's pretty squishy. Successfully getting the loot after can be harder than killing him.
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>>127263059
Until you ctrl-q-yes. Hope you brought 30 charges of stinking cloud

>>127263372
He's not too bad, quaff speed, heroism, use your launcher or devices to soften him up or blast him with magic. When he's 2 tiles away read blessing or holy chant and keep it up to reduce the times he hits you. If you have adequate ranged damage, just phase door cheese him and use stinking cloud to keep the bugs down. He's kind ofl iek the into to on-hit effects are horrifying so remember your blessing and aC
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>>127263447

fire emblem?
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>>127258917
VinniePaz:
(morgue) http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/VinniePaz/morgue-VinniePaz-20151217-010438.txt
(ttyrecs) http://dobrazupa.org/ttyrec/VinniePaz/
Implojin:
(morgue) http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Implojin/morgue-Implojin-20151219-024331.txt
(ttyrecs) http://dobrazupa.org/ttyrec/Implojin/
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>>127263773
>>127263059
And you can also clear it with potions. I think serious wound clears it but you'll still have plenty of cure critical regardless.
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>>127263447
skyrim
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>>127263832
>http://dobrazupa.org/ttyrec/VinniePaz/
thanks
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>>127263563
Nah, not Guild. You walked around the town as the party leader, and entering the buildings brought you to a prompt to make choices.

>>127263820
>>127264160
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>>127263447
quake
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>>127264348
Wait, it was first person ASCII?
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>>127263447
Definitely Rogue feat. GB2/v/
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>>127263832
Huh, I though that for the challenge you couldn't wear shields, rings nor amulets ?
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>>127264584
Rings and shields are fine, amulets are not.
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>>127264534
No, in Guild there's no navigation of the town itself, you're just given a prompt to select what building to enter. This had you walking around the town as the party, represented with an @ like most other RLs with towns.
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>>127264584
You could always wear shields and rings (except for regen, tele, or slaying). In the updated version after these wins, you can't wear bucklers anymore. You can't wear amulets but the dude that created the challenge is ok with wearing amulets that do nothing to help you.
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>>127264783
Check this old thread from 2011, maybe has what you want.
http://forums.roguetemple.com/index.php?topic=2059.0
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Which of these are even useful? I'm just using the phase door, detection, the teleport, kawamiri and chain hook on gayass summoners.
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>>127263447
TAngband?
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>>127264330
A full MuMo run is also on youtube if you'd rather not watch one of the console ttyrecs, in the past tty playback glyphs have sometimes not worked too well with Crawl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GObUEcp2fSw
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I just found a pearl dragon hide on D:1 wtf ?
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>>127265729
Welcome to roguelikes, my friend.
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>>127259891
>>127261170
Crawl is just plain tedious to play in general, and the way they handle magic is the most boring and unfun possible with the problems of the game in general amplified by 5x.
>playing as a mage requires more effort than melee
>magic is weaker than tabbing, especially now that they keep nerfing ways to increase player movement speed and giving enemies tons of ranged "fuck you" buttons
>magic requires way more xp investment than tabbing so you'll be lacking in defenses and auxilary skills
>pressing tab doesn't cost extra, but casting spells has an extra cost of having to micromanage food more
>mages aren't better at using magic items or scrolls or stuff than anyone else, so they're just bad tabbers and everyone uses the same items
>best spells are regeneration and pressing tab
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>>127264994
>>127265424
I tried all the games there that weren't unfindable dead linked games, no dice. TAngband looked the most promising, but this game had a lot more color in the ASCII, and didn't have you individually controlling everyone's movements, as well as having an outside wilderness instead of a town dungeon.

I imagine this is just one of those freeware games that never caught on and is practically unheard of at this point. Thanks anyway.
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>>127265316
create darkness is very important for ninjas

hide in mist is sometimes useful for the drain life

nyusin is handy, can save turns

don't forget your non-spell ability Quick Walk

also worth noting that ninjas and rogues get a discount on the amount of energy ("time") they have to spend on throwing weapons, so that can be nice with your spikes or with other things (be it actual throwables like a dagger, or desperation last hit throwing of average boots). It's a significant discount, capping at 50% at maximum level
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>>127265729
Crawl intentionally hase raised chances for a couple OOD spawns in the first couple floors. This is to entice baddies who spend most of their time there to stick with it and it gives more fodder to tempt experienced player from their plan
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How am I supposed to spend my stat points in PCB?

Pump dex?
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>>127266317
It's weaker for a while, then you have hasted storm channeling and you're melting screens of foes.

>>127266469
Always pump charima.Being too beta kills.
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>>127266469
How about a little more info, you triple centipede.
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I'm gonna do it
Fairy with a spear
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>>127266317
>magic is weaker than tabbing
This part isn't really true.

A lot of spells in Crawl enable plays that can't be made as pure melee, regardless of how hard you tab: Swiftness, apportation, borg's, ddoor, tornado, any of the storms, even low level stuff like conjure flame; and then there's stuff like Haste that is available as a wand, sure, but when you have it castable you can have it up every single fight and that does change things.

I agree that magic in Crawl is tedious (although you can mitigate it a little bit with macros), but to say that it's weaker than tabbing is plain wrong.
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>PCB
How do I "restore"/heal a stat?
I know that there is a potion for that but I'm still on outpost.
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just tried an axe mibe, fun as fuck even if it requires you to play just wrong for maximum efficiency
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>>127266469
This isn't crawl, it actually depends on your class.

Generally STR>DEX>CON>Wis>Cha=Int for fighters.
STR>DEX>{Casting Attribute}>CON>Wis=Cha=Int for hybrids.
{Casting Attribute(s)}>CON>DEX>STR>Wis=Cha=Int for casters.
If you have an ability that deals damage based on your max hp, then bump Con up a couple.

Also get your important abilities to like 18/20-40 or so before pushing them above that, since points start to have diminishing returns (i.e. less than a +/10 bonus) for stat gain after 18/00.
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>>127267201
Does CON do much in PCB? I don't see my health bump when I increase it
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is elona the only roguelike (yeah i know aside from adom cameos and callbacks it's not really one) where charisma matters at all?
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This is the run.
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>>127267201
So it's Dungeons & Dragons
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>>127267116
>play just wrong
getting ganged up on is wrong because it kills you
axe Mi can never die
therefore getting grouped up on is not wrong
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>>127267376
>TEH URN
>splat
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>>127267071
Read the pasta.
>>127266317
I dislike the way crawl deals with magic, but it is not "weaker" than melee. The problem is that the cost is so prohibitive that the only reason to play a caster is "I want to play a caster this game," which, given crawl's attempt to make leveling and strategic choices more fluid and based on your opportunities is a tremendous failing.
Also as stated, the best spells are all buff/utility that enhance tabbing better than they enhance magic aside from swiftness/necromut.
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>>127266685
Wait, I meant spriggan.
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>>127267071
At the start of a new day, stock up on teleport, blessing/chant/prayer, heal shit and head to morivaunt to use the restoratino at a healer, it's the light green + by the cleric shop (4)

>>127267358
Helps with fear in pcb. Fear kills m8.

>>127267116
Pick chei, makh, or TSO then don't care. Can't stump the living trump.
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>>127267342
It increases your health, but- like >>127267379 so cleverly pointed out- it is an increase to your health per level, so it's more effective at later levels, which is why it's never a first priority unless you're something like a Cyberdemon- and then only maybe.

>>127267379
>St Co De In Wi Ch
>18/xx
Yeah it's pretty solidly based on D&D. Very astute.
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>>127267358
If you play in inferno like a good goy it certainly is one.
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>>127267342
More important later but boy howdy later does it matter. When things are blowing 500 health per their turn, you really start to appreciate very hp you have.
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>>127267021
>I agree that magic in Crawl is tedious (although you can mitigate it a little bit with macros),

nigga you know you can set a init option to make tabbing cast? it is bullshit because it needs a macro to change which spell it uses but it saves a lot of time especially in the beginning where you'll be using throw *school element* for quite a bit
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Is this ground gives way game terrible? I swear, I do not understand how the characters and enemies can miss so many times in battle.
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>300 damage ancient multicolored dragon frost breath
>with 2 pips of res
FUCK MY LIIIIFE
I THOUGHT I WAS IN THE CLEAR GODDAMN IT
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>>127267971
i'm not sure playing permadeath in a game designed around not having that is worth the effort
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>>127268303
Just don't be bad? If you run into the bosses not grossly overgeared and overleveled that's on you.
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>>127267926
>it is an increase to your health per level, so it's more effective at later levels, which is why it's never a first priority unless you're something like a Cyberdemon- and then only maybe

Is it retroactive?
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>>127268652
>not grossly overgeared and overleveled
Not him, but Elona is terrible at being a roguelike.
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>>127268652
Elona is actually a pretty good game, why would you turn it into one of the shittiest roguelikes around?
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>>127268683
Yeah. Think of the hp bonus from CON as coefficient which is multiplied by your level.
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>>127268303
It is designed to be played with permadeath, that's why you can test your might against enemies in random quests/the arena and die without it actually killing you. It gives you a lot of information about how well you can deal with problems without you getting into scenarios were you can die without it being your fault.

Unfortunately a few monsters can be extremely troublesome for more niche race choices, and since the game doesn't punish farm in any way challenge can be just skipped by increasing your numbers. But I still think it's a very fun roguelike played on permadeath.
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>>127269005
>since the game doesn't punish farm in any way
because the whole point of elona (moreso with +) is grinding and farming to inflate numbers
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>>127269159
You would be surprised about how much that isn't true.
Or well someone who thought that would.
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>>127269005
Well, considering the original elona (and even plus for a long time) didn't have permadeath, I'm not sure how you can say it was designed with that in mind. I mean, it's playable with permadeath, but I don't find it enjoyable as it just makes you feel like you need to grind more in an already slow game.
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We had a guy in lost irva not only on inferno but had less than standard slots as he played the horse race after using the toggle in the text file for extended race selection. Is Elona a terrible roguelike just like dredmor? Yes. But it is a roguelike

>>127269005
Gee that seems to remind me of a game called dcss. Where you can grind in pandemonium cherrypicking threats until your hands fall off or you hit 2 million turns and the world ends, previous to that iyou could do just like E+ and grind until you kill yourself. there was a whole e-peen challenge about being an ubernaga with the most demonic runes and zig clears even but you aren't being an edgy teen over that now are you.
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>>127269656
What a waste of time.
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>>127269656
>actually a horse
Blessed be his name.
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>>127269656
Ey yo if you could leave my dudes out of your shitposting that would be great, thanks.
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>>127270490
get the fuck out you're supposed to be dead implo
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>>127270490
Ayoo, gimme summa dem ubernagas and I'd never touch your slutty men again you dirty double not-kama
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>>127267358
Caves of Qud has Ego instead of Charisma. It affects shop prices but it also affects the level of your mental mutations (aka psychic powers).

Non-mutants can also take some Ego-based skills to e.g. cause fear by staring at someone or convert monsters into permanent allies.
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>>127271287
>Non-mutants can also take some Ego-based skills to e.g. cause fear by staring at someone or convert monsters into permanent allies.
I really wish qud had a more extensive skill system.
It's so limited.
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Does anyone know what I'm missing? Cannot find door to treasure room.
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>>127271452
Qud looks great because I love a roguelike where you can roleplay but there's really not much to it at the moment

It could really use a dev who cares
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>>127269656
If you're strong enough to grind Pan you're also strong enough to win the game though. DCSS grinding is just for endgame epeen whereas Elona grinding can actually give you an in-game advantage.
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>>127271686
It's the statue by the downstairs. There's either a lever to open it, a scroll of shattering, or it will turn into a monster when you approach.

It looks like you used a shattering already on the right side of the level, so you might be out of luck.
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>>127271064
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>>127271686
You can use a scroll shattering to break the statues I think. Maybe a staff of digging too.
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>>127240072
Play it via WINE. The Linux version needs arcane as fuck commands just to make use of multiple windows.

Source: I am a linuxfag that compiled and tried to play the linux version of PCB.
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I want to kidnap Granade's loved ones
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>>127271686
Lever nearby or a scroll of shattering that spawns on the level and judging from those shatter marks you already screwed the pooch. Don't use-id on the floor unless you have multiples or you've already confirmed there's no incineration, levitation, shatter, descent, negation or any other tvault hat slipped my mind

>>127271814
And grinding doesn't make hell/zot/tom/slime easier?
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>>127271775
AFAIK Qud devs care. They just only develop games part-time because they have real non-vidya jobs.
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>>127272307
>Granade
>Having any contact with real humans, let alone loved ones

Also I've seen screenshots recently of people playing with NPCs, did they finally stop them from completely ruining the game with bugs?
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>>127272531
He has a wife and I want to sell her into slavery
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>>127272582
If he has a wife, he probably bought her from slavers. It'd be pretty extreme to send her back to that.

So why are you so frustrated with him?
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>>127272769
I hate the difference between what Cata could be and what it is
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Cobbled it together inbetween fisting orcs.
Might as well make the experience pleasant.
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>>127272454
One day I think I'll have my wife get that printed, framed, and hung above my desk.

>>127272531
They're potato on head retarded still but if you stand on a vehicle tile they run ovr to the other seats and you can drive without crushing them now. If you use debug commands to strip them, you can use the chat commands to give them a set of powergamer armor and a decent weapon. Kind of fun to have 11+ dudes roll out of your hobo APC and help you inform the zombies that they've reanimated in the wrong town motherfucker. You can also use items on them so you can bandage/cotton ball them back up after they get obliterated.
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>>127273109
You can inject them with mutagen and drugs now too, as of a few days ago.
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>>127272454
I like this
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>>127272454
My wife's son loves this
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>>127273396
Wheeeeeeee!

Can we use sewing needles/soldering irons and shit on them yet? Not that they're much use or woth saving at the point they take that much damage to their clothing but still
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>>127273768
don't think so, it's just food/drugs/mutagen

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/14654
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Fuck what does this mean, I killed and ate a dark frog, was I not supposed to do that? I'm guessing this pissed off Valpurus but I've never prayed to him. Actually I haven't prayed to any god yet this run, what god should I be praying to and how frequently should I pray?
I'm guessing though since my alignment shifted chaotic I'm restricted to chaos gods or can I fix that?
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>>127274606
I have a friend who I introduced to IVAN years ago, used to call his characters Tin.

Are your initials AB?
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>>127274745
Wait, this is not a new pic is it?
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>>127275042
Fuck no I'm looking through really old stuff
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>>127275423
Pappy, done tell me about tha good ol' days
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>>127275728
Once upon a time Vaults was made of big empty metal boxes, Dwarves roamed the land prior to their untimely ?genocide, and Stone Giants were ugly.
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>>127273578
>raising another man's child
>you're the guy fucking his mom

How do you even manage?
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>>127276692
And ancient and terrible curses befell /rlg/.
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>>127276704
By impregnating the impregable then cucking the older son into killing himself
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>angband L12 with Boldor and Robin Hood and Variant Maintainer

Should I just port out and fail the quest?
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>>127277080
Should've killed them one by one in the Stronghold.
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>>127276894
back when crawl was good
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>>127277080
You should be able to handle the Variant Maintainer pretty handily if you have some AoE wand to clear his Software Bugs.

And again with Robin, you should be able to handle it with devices.

Are they in the same room or something? Do you have any !Speed (though you may not need it)? Terrain and inventory screenshot could help for advices.
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>>127204125
>let fcrawl be the "clean design" version of the game instead of having, as one anon put it, mixed pulls between a game that started originally like nethack but now has devs moving towards cleanliness.

I just cannot comprehend the "clean design" mentality they're taking here. "Moving towards cleanliness" is just... so far from ideal when the beauty of roguelikes is how organic they are.
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At what depth do wands of clone monster appear?
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>>127277284

What would you say is the last good Crawl version?
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>>127277431
Well, not every roguelike needs to be nethack.

On the flip side though, not every roguelike needs to be brogue.
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>>127277587
Linley's
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>>127275423
Thought so.
I had that same file in my folder, but then my hard drive faulted.
How big is your rlg folder, anon?
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How do I FeMo of Ru?

I assume just apocalypse and power leap and don't give a shit about drain
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>>127278150
Does drained fighting reduce your HP?
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fcrawl has been updated.
There is now a "v" command which shows the amount of hits required to kill a monster or for them to kill you. It's toggled on or off.
Shoals level gen is now good instead of bad.
Zot:3 has been made less difficult.
Here is a pasta: http://pastebin.com/hCq9qXsz
Here is the new code: http://bpaste.net/raw/8037c46104db
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>>127276948
>Emulation General #8
>Crawl .10
Do you have any idea how old that is?
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>>127277826
have you actually ever spent significant time playing Linley's crawl? I watched simm play a bunch of characters and god damn fuck that awful game.
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>>127278505
New shoals look, spoilered if you want to check it out yourself.
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>>127278614
Old as sin
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>Ring of Protection glows red
What does that mean?
Am I fucked?
It is a sense animals and resist disenchantment btw.
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>>127278714
>>127278505
You're drunk brogue, go home

>>127278710
No. I can't stand victory dancing.
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>>127278614
>one of the original /emu/s is an /rlg/ poster
what utter joy
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>>127278892
that's one of the effects of the "warning" property. You're about to move onto a tile with a trap or that is in LOS of a high level scary thing.

The hard one to figure out is "glows white" only happens in a town and it means one of the town uniques just spawned nearby
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When it says that a unique I haven't killed is on level 9, does that mean I can go to any 9th level of a dungeon and expect to find it there?
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Zombies have swarmed over the basement I'm hiding in. I can't get out. I have food, but I'm rapidly running out of water.

There's a subway tunnel in an adjacent world tile. You can't smash a solid rock wall with a wood axe and 10 strength, can you?

I'm seriously tempted to cheat myself a pickaxe.
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Nice to see that not a single orc is on the bottom floor of the orc caves.
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>>127279558
cheating is the fun killer
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>>127278892
red was traps, pinjkis a unique spawned and you need to detect immediately or itbreatse!Itbreathes! you have died!

>>127279435
Chance to spawn roughly there and later based on its rarity and other shit.
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>>127279558
Cheating is cancer. Just fucking leave if you're gonna be a degenerate baby.
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>>127279558
pro tip: don't hide in a basement surrounded by zombies. It's a lot better to hang out outside of the town limits in a shelter or a parked car or something
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This corridor is Bad.
>>127278927
Is it any surprise that I am also a big fan of Brogue?
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>>127279558
Take it like a man and die trying, don't be a faggot
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>>127279558
>craft as much armor as possible and wear it while leaving your legs unencumbered
>wait for night
>take all your drugs
>make a run for it

fgt
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>>127279714
>>127279908
>>127280331
Joke's on you, I didn't cheat and still made it out of the house!
My legs were quite thoroughly shredded, and I'm in serious pain, but I currently have no zombies inside my LOS.
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I really dislike orc priests.
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>>127274781
Sorry but no.
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Is PCB guy aware that we're basically the only place where his game is popular
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>>127279558
>>127281759
Did you enable Horde ?
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>>127282979
/rlg/ is probably the most active non-irc roguelike community

which is kinda sad
>>
how do i git gud in infra arcana, things either dont die or can't be hit
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>>127282979
PCB is also heavily played on the official angband forums, by far the most highly played variant (even above Sil!) that is posted or discussed there. Though Sil does have, since antiquity, its own dedicated subforum.

But yeah, that's part of why I was so excited to share my games initially with /rlg/ and even more excited when other people got interested enough to learn it themselves

<3 rlg
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>>127283648
Wait, sil is a band variant?
Huh.
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>>127282979
>>127283648

oh by pcb guy you meant the dev, not poschengbro

yeah no I doubt he knows rlg exists at all. The oook folks are largely somehwat mystified as to the source of the occasional ladder entries/wins that come from rlg players.
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>>127283849
yeah it's heavily modified from the Vanilla source, but half and scatha made it out of Angband
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>>127282979
It's popular on oook.cz.
Even if you cut out chris' games and that one autist who kills a possessor every minute, there are still a respectable amount of ladder entries.
Also considering he made the game for personal use, it serves its purpose.
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>>127283637
>unironically not casting the dark magic
Well that's just embarrassing.
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>>127283849
The gameplay isn't very similar at all but it's based on the Angband code.
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this fucking race looks like torture to play, at least early on
-10 speed really??

well it can't be worse than deathsword
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>>127282394
>Get nostalgic for IVAN from this
>Start it up, go start sci talking in the sumo hut
>Keeping the door closed so my banana pleb doesn't escape
>One of the Kongs opens the door and runs in
>Quickly runs back out
>Notice 2 limbs in the pile
>Fucking Kaethos ran in, slipped on a banana peel, and lost both of his arms
>Game crashed when I took the screenshot

I missed this game.
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>>127283637
cast darkbolt
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>>127283637
Try getting up to the Master ranged combat feat on most characters (except pure casters maybe), it helps a ton. Don't fight every monster necessarily. Use q to kick monsters away from you while doing a bit of damage, or to kick apart corpses of reviving zombie types.

What feats have you been taking?

>>127284008
> and that one autist who kills a possessor every minute

kek. Hugostyle4lyfe

>>127284183
dude, it's really good for speedrunning because the quality of your summons depends on current depth. And as for the low speed, well you should almost never be in line of sight of a hostile so it barely matters (until things go wrong).
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>>127283992
Sil's descended from a variant itself (Oangband or somesuch thing? memory fails me)

>>127277431
removals have not failed you

you haved failed the removals
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>>127283849
It is so obvious that sil a *band, anon-kun.
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>>127165287
>IVAN has updated to version 5.4

What changed ?
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>>127283637
cultist
darkboltdarkboltdarkboltbambambamdarkboltbonkdarkoltbonkbambambambambam

Rogue
stealth stabs, shooting, just stealthing by problem shit. Mobility lets you sanic by faster. Treasure hunter and ranged acc gets you ltos of ammo that actualyl hits.

War vet
Hit and kiick stuff to conserve ammo. Shoot stuff. Explode and burn stuff. Die. Presumably treasure hunter would help but you're hurting on skills and you're essentially a bad rogue that's gonna get assfucked bythe mummy vault.
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Only Hermes and Apollo (and Zeus) left. I'm not sure why she was the most difficult to kill, probably because she tried to stay out of melee and her dogs kept draining my healing staves.

I remember being unable to kill some of them on characters that hit harder than this wyrm, so what do you know, +47 speed and inertia breath makes a lot of things possible.
>>
>>127277431
Different people play roguelikes for different reasons I guess. Some like the Nethacky "the deav team thinks of everything" stuff, some just want DCSS-style tactical combat. Some weirdos even roleplay their characters in games like Cataclysm.
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>>127284674
Is Cata still filled with SJWs?
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>>127284950
I have no clue about the community.

There's still a wearable wolf fursuit though.
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>>127284950

Only thing I know about Cata dev recently is that someone fucked up the experimental for about 8 hours about a week back and I froze to death in a mall's worth of sweaters.
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This means +10 to speed, right? I wish I had more than 1 clone wand.
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>>127277541
>clone monster wand depth?
they're native to 0 technically...I find them all over but I'm not sure what ideal hunting grounds are

>>127285959
yes, yes it does mean +10 speed. Very nice find!
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Getting into OpBe.
>Find +5 ring of slaying
>End up in open without blink scrolls, in middle of killer bee swarm.
Why must bees ruin me so.
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>>127286523
I found 2 acquirement. I should read these at the deepest depth I can, right? Like in Olympus?
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>>127287920
yeah unlike artifacting, acquirement and *aquirement* DO care about depth

though they're still likely to be Scrolls of Disappointment at any stage where you can cross the sea to Olympus without instantly dying.
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so uh this guy is pretty scary right
I should just cast darkbolt and beat him about the face with my hammer, right
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>>127284635
Immolation of yourself, items, and combustible terrain. All those books you'd normally get from killing suicide dwarves? Burned to ash.
>>
Demonic Grasp is the best human mutation right?

Daggermaster if that changes anything.
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>>127288019
I see. Grinding is going well. I'm slowly descending in arena, killing any uniques I might find. I have 12 charges of clone now, so conga should go much smoother. I have yet to finish Numenor, Mine, R,lyeh, the anticaves and some other shit I can't remember. And I have to fly to Olympus at some point. So I have plenty to do.
>>
>>127288214
>I should just cast darkbolt

this is the answer to everything in IA
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>>127288214
Yeah that is a really bad position to encounter Clapham-Lee in. You might want to darkboltx2 then hammer on the second para.
Hopefully that takes care of it.
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>>127288781
I alternated darkbolt and hammer and he died
then he resurrected and I died, fuck
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>fighting Zeome
>DV 375 PV 110 fairy
>staff of insanity too heavy so I have to raw magic arrow him
>silence keeps failing
>locked in an eternal dance with this smug cunt since neither can kill the other
tempted to track down a wish rod, pop a contingency and pray that rng goddess Ehekatl doesn't fuck me into next year
>>
>>127288634
if you plan on melee and staves of healing then yes. Daggermasters can function at range later (once you get the Flying Daggers stance) so it's not necessarily critical but still hard to go wrong with demonic.

If you're a demigod and get a 2nd mutation later, you can if you desire get something more immediately useful now and save that 2nd mutation for the endgamey grasp.

>>127288749
may the dosh flow to you

>>127288871
>not kicking apart bodies before they ressurect
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>>127288236
B-better than nothing right . . . ?
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>>127289156
I DIDN'T KNOW
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This is some pick.
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>>127289156
I am a demigod, are there any other mutations that are good?
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>>127289462
The mutations that I like are:
Ambidexterity - you won't need this as daggermaster, you're already going to be top tier
Cult of Personality - not great early, but really nice in some fights. Not reliably but still can turn some must-avoid fights into manageable or easy ones.
Demonic Grasp - obviously absurd
Evasion - very respectable chance to dodge breaths, don't wager your life on it but it will save you key healing consumables over the course of a game
Fast Learner - actually quite nice, something like 30% less exp and grinding needed to 50, especially a relief on demigods
Fleet of Foot - very strong, reduced energy cost for turns spent walking, good for closing, escape, repositioning
Infernal deal - very very strong early and midgame, falls off heavily lategame. Lots of fun too.
Merchants Friend - not insane, but shops will stock many many more items at a time...underrated, haven't seen people take it much here. Doesn't directly affect combat.
Potion chugger - Doesn't burn a full turn of energy to quaff. very good for the final fight with healing potion turns, decent before that on CCW turns.
Speed reader - potion chugger for scrolls. Not as good in general, but still nice especially for big summon fights where you need to read Genocide or Destruction
Subtle Casting / Peerless Sniper - almost required for endgame casters/shooters because monsters normally get "ticked off" when struck at range, making them use meaner spells. Not for you here, but good to know about.
Weapon versatility - probably not wanting it on a dagger master b/c you want to use your abilities, but good and wroth knowing about for future chars
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>>127289462
If you're gonna be attacking at range consider the thing that is like subtle casting but for arrows.
Cult of Personality, Fleet of Foot, and Evasion are all great. Dispel Resistance is good if you are using buffs.
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>>127283184
Yeah. Static spawn and wandering spawn both on.
Zombies occasionally spawn in places where they really shouldn't be able to spawn, but I can deal with it.
>>
>Kill a conga of 17 wyrms
>A hru comes and drops the dungeon on my loot pile
I DIDN'T WANT ANY OF THAT ANYWAY.
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>>127290620
I winced just reading that
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>>127288886
bosses have a flat like 80% fail rate on hexes in addition to mr as well as redduced duration. Better get grindan
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>>127284950
>not obsessively stalking the git repo
Bitch please. If you REALLY loved/hated Cata, you'd stay informed on it.

I think the only one who wrote about gender-neutral pronouns in commit notes was KA101, and he left a while back. I have no idea if the others have done anything to deserve the label.
Rivet still thinks survivor armor is awesome. Kevingranade is still offended by every change. Coolthulhu is still the only person actually working on the game code.

Recent changes include streamlining the use of sewing kits and soldering irons, and mainlining several things from the "more medieval items" mod.
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>>127291591
>KA101 left

Thank fuck. Their posts on the forums were overfilled with xe xi xo xum bullshit.
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Why does it always have to be a Q?
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>>127285230
>There's still a wearable wolf fursuit though.
if you weren't a newfag you'd knew why
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>>127293576
oh this character is on 3.5 eh?
>tfw upgrading to 4.0 means devices don't stack
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>>127293959
She is my first rune knight that I never ascended. I just picked up where I left off after literally half a year. I just wrecked the Norsa and things seem to be going well. No device stacking sounds awful. How are you supposed to golfbag when your inventory is already cluttered with potions and scrolls?
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>>127296060
I think it plays better than it sounds. Devices have more charges than before, recharge on their own, and you avoid that annoying moment when you use a staff and it falls out of your full bag. And I think it helps versus charge drainers?

Oh, and you can actually recharge things in the dungeons without blowing up your stuff now.
>>
>>127253196
>breathe nuke for 500 with 5% fail
Does the serpent resist nukes?
>>
>>127261936
Conga is good.
Conga is love. Conga is life.
You just smell.
>>
>>127298575
Nuke is toxic waste (so poison resistance). The breath of choice for the serpent is probably shards (or disenchantment, which is slightly more efficient if the serpent doesn't resist that).
>>
What's a fun character for randarts only mode? Preferably something with an identify spell or ability to minimize screaming when I find the stone of lore.
>>
>>127274606
>I killed and ate a dark frog,
Oh dear
Ooooh dear
You shouldn't have done that
That's a delayed death sentence because the corpse is acidic
Basically you've drunk a potion of sulphuric acid and there is no way to escape from that
All frog corpses are acidic anon
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>>127300241
well if you use mpa-poschengband you get instant pseudo-ID from walking on items, and regular Identify acts as *Identify*

Daggermaster and ninja are fun in randarts because the reshuffles of the *thanc items are often pretty strong. Also swordmaster because there are a lot of artifact swords to reroll. Warrior and Rune Knight because there are a lot of equipment in general. Mauler also, because weapon weights I think will stay the same. Rogues are fun too if you want good-but-not-warrior-tier melee, excellent stealth, and a good amount of magic. Or Paldin if you want.Priests are even worse at melee but still use it a lot, and get much better magic.

Casters if you don't want to rely on finding good randart offense, but from the sound of it you're looking to use not avoid the randarts. Plus I'm guessing it's harder to see good caster items generated than good fighy items, simply because the best standart caster items have to be so focused, and randarts are generally not.

Also possessors/mimics because of their flexibility to choose what type of dude (caster vs fighter) to be at any given time based on the corpses and randarts available.

My top three would be daggermaster, warrior, possessor/mimic.
>>
Is it ever worth it to spend all my extra dosh on the random item shop in Morivant?
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>>127300926
Here we go. Never played one of these, I'm guessing they play like ninjas?
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>>127301706
Yes. You can get great devices and crucial potions from it.
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>>127301861
I'm a good player.
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>>127301861
>>127302194
rip :)

daggermasters use their melee of course, but they're also very good at throwing daggers, gaining a dagger-toss ability that's better than a regular throw. Eventually they also gain a "flying dagger" stance that causes most daggers thrown with your dagger toss skill to return to your hand.

They can end up with surprisingly ridiculous damage per round with the dagger throwing.
>>
logrus master

impaled my fucking ass
>>
>>127303634
hot
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I'm an idiot.

Why did I take of my amulet to berserk .Why didn't I put it back on after I berserked.
>>
>>127304180
Next time invest more in Dex.
>>
>>127304180
>Worshipping trog in hell
>+1 Hat
You probably should have switched to TSO. What amulet were you wearing?
>>
>In Hell
>Not switching to TSO

Fault.
Trog's Hand isn't enough to heal you in extended, you know.
>>
>>127304392

Amulet of statis fR+ fPois fly.

I took it off to berserk.
>>
Why is "know full monster info" flagged as a cheat option in PosChengband? It's not like people wouldn't just look that shit up in external spoilers anyways...
>>
>>127304392
>>127304468

Oh that would have probably saved my life.

>>127304382

I don't really understand what stats you should upgrade and when you should do it.
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>>127304597
>Using stasis too
>using that cloak for extended
Absolute madman. Its a really bad idea to berserk in extended unless you know cblink and a shit ton of other spells. How bad was the situation?
>>
Is there a PCB class that's so defense oriented it will let me fault and not die?
>>
HAHA YES

After god knows how long wracking my brain for a solution to what I knew should be possible, I've finally gotten fcrawl working in MingW.

Suck it cygwin, you piece of shit!
>>
I'm new to roguelikes.

When does the hurt of losing characters you have hope for stop? I'm playing dungeon crawl stone soup and I keep dying at like level 6.
>>
>>127305381
You become numb eventually. You'll also learn how to see exactly when and how you fucked up. Keep on truckin' and you'll get better.
>>
>>127305381

You really shouldn't be dying at level 6 constantly. Maybe post what you are dying too when you die.

You should consider going into the saves folder and then bones folder, then delete the bones.
>>
>>127305381
Do not develop emotional attachment to your character. Just think logically before every step you take. If you don't know what an enemy is capable of, go to the wiki and look it up.
>>
spriggan on extend
>y/n
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>>127305591
It's doable.
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I was exploring a cathedral basement and found a room with these things inside and a relic on the table.

I was pretty spooped when I walked in to grab and they just shuffled around aimlessly. Especially since the room connected to it had a ton of food in storage and the door was locked.
>>
>>127305381
I've been crawling for years and you learn to not get attached that early on. You don't have hope because you know for a fact that you're going to get to lair atleast. Early on is when you're pulling nonsensical tacticool shit because you don't really have any other way to deal with bad situations. Once you're in lair and your character starts to bloom into their own unique build is when I start getting attached. Once you're sure of yourself, losing a character won't ache nearly as bad as ascending and saying goodbye.

>>127305591
Its possible, but it really sucks. Getting hellfired for 1/5 of your maximum HP is fucking terrible.
>>
>>127305381
The more you play and the further you go, the less it hurts. Killing your first character with a rune is a hugely painful experience, but after the first couple dozen times it's just part of the game.
>>
>>127300719
Well I died shortly to a kamikaze anyways so it didn't matter.
But other than looking up spoilers is there any way to know which corpses are safe to eat? I've already figured anything that does poison damage is poisonous (actually does having poison resist allow eating poisonous corpses? I haven't tried that yet) but otherwise it isn't clear what is safe. Like why would a frog have an acidic corpse? That doesn't make much sense.
>>
>>127305534
Its generally whenever I start encountering large groups of orcs and stuff, I've been playing a Human Wanderer because, yolo. I have a strong case of hipsteritus when it comes to not wanting to play shit everyone does well on like a troll monk.
>>
>>127304597
Hellfire is irresistible.
>>127304906
>I don't really understand what stats you should upgrade and when you should do it.
On a MiBe, you will have enough strength, you never need to level it. Only level Dex unless you have >30 Dex from items, then level strength.
>>
>>127306359

Okay, then I can see my problem.

What is enough strength for melee?
>>
>faulted 6 times in a row to basic shit

don't rogulike while tired
>>
>>127306471
dont fall for the dex meme
>>
New:

>>127306617

>>127306471
Equal to your armour's encumbrance. This is at most 23 and you will get that naturally since Mi gain strength on level-up. You don't need int unless you are casting spells and you don't need strength except to wear armour, so go all dex and ignore people who call things "memes."
>>127305271
How?
>>
>>127293253

I know little about Cataclysm, but from what I initially read of it, it seemed very interesting, so fuck that Tumblr bullshit straight to hell. All it does is pollute good things and twist them into stupid shit.
>>
>>127306471
Dex also has a stepdown for everything past 24. They're right that Mi have enough strength anyways, but don't always pump dex without thinking if you're already going to hit 24.
>>
>>127304392
>>Worshipping trog in hell
Nothing wrong with that, anon..
>>
>>127306960
you can see some of the values here if it helps
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_g1l1Argdff7FL8yuM2bs_0gqkyZsgQBMDw3qKZEOsk/edit#gid=4
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the royal jelly can suck my barbed cat dick
>>
NEW THREAD WHEN
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>>127308956
Already posted, you mong
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>>127197941
A razor girl on a quest to get some coffee for her nuclear coffeemaker.
There's a coffeeshop on the other side of this town, but the last time I tried to get across I was raped by a horde.
They literally tore my pants to shreds. Sturdy reinforced leather pants, too, not some flimsy cotton shit.
>>
>>127306885
Oh, it wasn't nearly as bad as he's making it sound. Just one dev with a thing for obnoxious pronouns. It was more visible on the forums than the game proper.
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