Not going to lie,
the game had me tearing up a few times.
Was a great game. Not 10/10 or anything. I didn’t really notice reddit bullshit like /v/ said there was sans 1 or 2 times.
>/v/ forms retarded opinions about everything, inserts reddit/tumblr boogeymen into anything, and automatically hates anything even remotely popular
This shouldn't be news to you
Undertale is a great game
I dont get this meme. It's not like MLP where it's supposed to appeal to children. undertale deals with a lot of adult themes. if you mean like dogfuckery nonsense then yeah i guess, but the game even chides you for it as a joke
Barney fags say the same thing. "ITS NOT MEANT FOR KIDS ITS MEANT FOR EVERYONE GASH!" Its a parody on earthbound that is it. Its an okay game i'd go as far to say good but its not the fucking second coming.
I can't count how many indie games blow this fucking game out of the water.
>these indie games still blow undertale out of the water
>the dialogue is the gameplay in undertale
Not even that guy but come on you two.
Other good indies that are better than Undertale
>LISA: The First, LISA: The Painful, LISA: The Joyful
>Crypt of the Necrodancer
>The Desolate Hope
>Binding of Isaac (can't remember if it still counts)
I was mostly naming a few indie games on the top of my head that are better then undermeme. Honestly i don't hate this game just find it kind of shallow and obviously way too story focus with really shitty shump/rpg elements. If the game had focused and put more depth and actual mechanics in the actual mechanics of the game I'd find it a lot more enjoyable. Hell I'd be on the "SUCH GOOD GAYM" bandwagon.
I can't say I teared up at any point but I did have feelings and when that option came to go with Toriel or not my heart told me to go with her. Felt bad enough to not want to do the genocide route immediately but after I woke up the next morning I didn't care anymore.
Best paper Mario game in years.
Seriously though it's a fun little puzzle adventure game with light bullet hell elements. I wouldn't call it an rpg when the game discourages you from attacking anything. Biggest criticism is that the game subverts a lot of tropes but doesn't really purpose any alternative. Best example of that is when you go to a store, try to sell stuff and the owner thinks your nuts. It's true, in skyrim when you sell 8,000 dirty rags taken from dead bandits it's a bit silly, but it's there because not being able to sell stuff it's annoying. So, undertale is a bit annoying, but it's hour hard enough to be frustrating. Overall it's pretty comfy and enjoyable, but not 10/10.
>LISA: The First
>better then Undertale
surely you must be jestin
To be fair, /v/ was seemingly really harsh about Undertale because Tumblr was. Tumblr took everything ten thousand times further, like the whole gender identity thing with Frisk. /v/ hates Tumblr, the rest is from there.
Just saying indie doesn't mean a hell of a lot anymore. I more mean if you give a list of indie games, you might as well limit it down to what the game does best, which is dialogue and progression.
The fact that the dialogue is different depending on your actions even if you do a true reset of the game is kinda cool, especially if you do a genocide, you can delete the game and reinstall it, but you can't escape the consequences. The meta humor and other nuances as well.
Identifying its dialogue and meta analysis as its strong point doesn't mean it replaces gameplay. Thats like saying isaac is a shit game because it didn't have a compelling story.
At least I can move places of my own volition rather than be shunted into linear areas by Toby. I'd pay 3$ to buy Undertale as a kid's picture book, not 9.99$ as a 'game'.
What pisses me off most though is that LISA and Undertale were both on sale in the same winter sale I bought them on.
>LISA: like 2$
I do agree that it should have been much cheaper for what it is. I spent roughly 10 hours doing all 3 runs, and while I think it was worth every penny, not lowering it by much even on a steam sale seems a bit conceited.
If we're comparing Undertale to games that do dialogue and progression and story better, whilst maintaining 'indie' as a genre
>LISA, LISA: The Painful, LISA: The Joyful
etc. etc. Fact of the matter is that Undertale would've done better than the 6.99/10 rating I gave it if it was produced as an anime movie on a VHS tape in the 80s/90s
It appeals a shit ton to kids while donning the guise of being universally teachable.
You guys are the absolute worst. Why does everyone only laud Undertale for the story/characters?
The real meat of the game is in the varied and fun gameplay. Every enemy having different patterns and different solutions as how to beat them.
I didn't like the autistic story but i see the appeal in it for some people.
But boy the gameplay was the most "gamey-fun" I had in the last decade or so.
People like OP give the impression to people like this game is story based instead of having absolute excellent gameplay.
the shmup thing is fun, but I could easily get a game that specialized and prioritized that aspect for 9.99 or a little more.
Undertale is a real grab bag of 'JRPG jokes, SHMUPs, Dialogue, puzzles' etc etc.
/v/ loved it when it came out, but as soon as tumblr liked it too that's when it changed
This pretty much. I enjoyed the hell out of checking enemies to see how I could ACT on them effectively, all while their attacks tell me more about themselves.
The bullet-hell was just icing on the cake. Then you have your heart changing colors to keep the game-play fresh with amazing music in the background.
I never understood peoples direct comparison to hardcore shmups, like, you dodge projectile attacks for some moves, that doesn't make it a touhou.
Each enemy had unique attacks that were based on their personality, even the boss fights were specifically done to show the bosses theme. Sans is a perfect example. His entire theme as a character is the knowledge of your ability to save, he is stuck in his own groundhog day, and you are the one in charge. His fight is the only one without RNG, completely based on your ability to memorize it. Die to him enough times and even he knows youll eventually know his next move and he'll die.
LISA is a good game, faggot. And sure, like Undertale you're supposed to be more focused on the story than gameplay.
But you know what?
Undertale's story is shit. Genocide route is typical edgy anime or some bullshit, neutral is literally just 'I want to go home: getting out of here, the game', and Pacifist is some Christian sunday morning cartoon levels of bullshit.
LISA, at least has real gameplay elements you can have fun with while exploring the areas, and it's not obnoxiously upbeat. Even people who like happy endings might have trouble pressing Z through textboxes.
What's the point of feeling good anyway? At least Widdily 2 Diddily knows we're all garbage and isn't acting like we cool.
>i've had enough of this lisa circle jerk
But there are shmups that do stuff like that, IIRC.
All Undertale does is copy a bunch of gameplay elements from successful games of varying genres and put them together. The result is mediocre.
"Christian sunday morning cartoon levels of bullshit"
You really think true lab revelation and the knowledge that across all the timelines, you can never save asriel
or gasteris lighthearted. The boss fight really is a letdown though. "But it refused" was kind of cool in a cheesy way.
I'll play a game that's difficult rather than a pussy ass 'preach' pretending to be a game under a 10$ price tag made by a guy who looks like the second coming of Napoleon Dynamite, IF you had a 100% urge at all times to want to clock ND in the face.
>/v/ hates undertale
You faggots do realise that
1. /v/ not a fucking hivemind
2. Your literally a member of /v/ and you like undertale and theres fucking tons of undertale appreciation threads every fucking day.
3. THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON HERE LIKE THIS SHIT!
Man how old are you? You know this is a 18+ site right? You fucking do realise that Lisa is only 1 of the games i have on the list but its the only one you can't seem to get over that I enjoy.
Come on guys think outside the box. It has shmup elements. This doesn't automatically confine it to that genre And should not be judged as so.
Combining different game elements is good game design if implemented right (undertale did it right). It results in a varied and really fun experience that probably everyone can enjoy. Because even if you dislike a certain aspect it won't last long enough to be annoying.
The story and text are short enough to not annoy you even if you dislike the characters.
It's one of those game that is guaranteed to be liked by EVERYONE you give it to to try and play.
The random encounters were annoying. The "fall through random holes in the floor until you find the safe path" gameplay was annoying. The story was kind cute but I didn't really care enough to finish it. I'll admit it's kind of sad how I have less patience than teenagers on tumblr, but whatever.
>Older children and adults with Autism Spectrum Disorder perform worse on tests of face and emotion recognition
There's your answer. The autismal sperglords who finished the game and said "that was it?" literally couldn't get it.
Nigger are you kidding me? You see all those Undertale shitposting threads here everyday? Each one of them has nearly everyone defending the game.
Just remember this: Liking a game doesn't mean you think it's the best shit ever.
This is bait right? There are no random encounters. The amount of mobs there are in the game are a fixed number. And they are all unique.
But this is supposed to only be revieled later into the game.
>(undertale did it right
uuuh no it didn't. The space shooter element really does not fit with the type of game it is. It's very disconcerting and doesn't not synergize with anything in the game. Which is highly strange considering this came from a earthbound mod. So somewhere along the way, toby got lazy and decided to make this type of combat.
almost as good
>super meat boy
holy shit no
literally got bored of it after 10 minutes, it's "ok"
nearly as good
not even in this discussion
>king arthurs gold
shit taste confirmed
At least with the difficulty I'm paying attention through the game. Undertale in all routes was a fucking snooze fest, except Genocide had a couple check ins and Pacifist had that shit technicoloured ending.
LISA is a simple RPG and I don't fault it for not being more when it isn't trying, but the thing about THAT game is that it's good.
I know it's not a single shmup you fucking retarded nigger. I also make it a point that Undertale combines a shit ton of elements.
But you know what? Implementation failed, dialogue was shitty, and I always felt I was talking to the same fucking person: Toby motherfucking Fox-Fucker.
There's a 'negative reviews' tab on the page for Undertale, consider visiting it after you get done preaching to your baby games forum about Undertale.
It's really the worst trend for indie developers. If your inspired by the classics then you should have a focus on exploration of a world map and gameplay. You can tell they are only inspired by barely 2 rpgs mother and Mario since no world map to explore. Either series game play is shallow at best. I'm just glad there's finally a faithful indie rpg looking promising on green light that'll put these lackluster rpgs to rest
>There are no random encounters.
Yes there are. They're how I grinded for money to pay for college.
On that note, fuck Hotlands. After Waterfall it becomes a pain in the ass to get any cash because it has such a low encounter rate.
the problem with Undertale is that doing a neutral run is unsatisfying as fuck, The
Omega Flowey boss was fucking great though
pacifist ending was good and the entire genocide run is fucking god tier
>On something you can literally just see by observation
Don't be a retard. If you don't think a majority of people accept this as a good game then you are just wrong, thats not even an opinion.
Maybe if you're using the trick to increase the encounter rate.
Undertale is 'hold directional key and then press spare or attack' the game. The Painful at least has some flavor that is notable to distract from the messages being sent in the story.
Undertale could be an anime kid's movie on a VHS tape, a webcomic, an animated series, a book, whatever the fuck. But as a game? Are you going Gone Homo on me?
And yes, I consider VNs games because at least VNs have substance and options. Undertale is completely 'which button did u press when the slime appeared'
The area right before bosses have super increased encounter rates. ie: Bridge before mettatton.
Also Undyne was good, but Sans was perfection. I literally commited genocide just to fight his bony ass over and over.
I enjoy Undertale, but I do feel like Genocide feels incomplete, almost tacked on.
There are a few things in that route that seem thought out, like undying and the last fight, and it is interesting to see things from a violent perspective, but they don't even really explain how Chara came to posses Frisk, or explain why Chara went from being a somewhat mischievous asshole to wanting to fucking kill everything on the planet.
Also shit like the Genocide Metaton fight seemed less like a anticlimax joke, and more like they genuinely ran out of energy to design a new fight.
that's entirely circumstantial evidence. don't even deny how vocal and passionate the fanbase is. you've nothing conclusive to your argument and you're expecting me to take your word for it based on nothing but hearsay
The Undertale Genocide "Grind" is pretty much nothing. Even in Hotland, once you get to that final corridor before Mettaton, you can walk back and forth and be guaranteed a battle pretty much every time. Compared to actual grinds in a lot of RPGs, it's pretty quick and painless.
Not sure what you're on about.
Other RPGs have tried the no killing thing before. Undertal using a simple shmup mechanic for it I felt was very unique and great way to do it
Even if you're terrible at shmups and just want to play the game for the story you can get around it.
Because all the underfags in this thread, like many other underfags outside 4chan, either brush off standard complaints or diehard never accept criticism.
If someone asks me why I dislike it, I say
>Gameplay was lackluster, not much of the dialogue was fun
But that's not enough for the standard underfag.
Making a joke on /v/ like that would be cringe, but for normal people that humor is just topical enough to be funny and weird. You are biased because of the community you frequent.
>hurr you didn't play the game
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that part where the heart turned upside down. Or all those buttblastingly easy puzzles.
OH, WAIT, I forgot! Sometimes you press 'talk' or 'flee' like with the big sushi lady! Sometimes you get forced to play the most boring ass route first!
Genocide and Pacifist change what you fight in the game an dodge with your little heart, big fucking deal.
How and why did he possess Frisk though? Why didn't Chara possess any of the other humans earlier? Why wait?
It just seems so less thought out than the story elements in the other routes.
I wonder if Broquest was released if the same thing would have happened
>Tons of threads about beta, demo versions, hype for the final release
>Game is released, suprise hit
>Fandom explodes on other websites
>Gets GOTY awards, memes, people latch onto the characters autistically (as if they weren't already with broquest tbqh)
>/v/ now pretends they had never seen it in their life and liking it is bad+wrong
Because the the player, that's you, wasn't involved then. The fall child interacts with YOU, not Frisk, she is merely a middle man between you and the psychotic bitch.
Sorry you're too retarded to understand.
He explains that he is essentially the feeling of completion. I thought of him as a demon. More so because he calls himself one while asking you to sell your soul for a true reset.
That's not enough for the standard /v/ fan of any game.
>Gameplay was lackluster
What makes the gameplay lackluster? Compared to what? What did you come in expecting, considering there was a demo?
>not much of the dialogue was fun
Do you mean it was too childlike? Do you mean the jokes were too blunt? Too obnoxious? What?
When someone is asking why you dislike it, they're looking for clarification of what you dislike. If you just give the standard line of "I disliked X", it doesn't mean anything. That's a value judgement of why it was bad for you, not an argument for why the game itself was bad.
People are trying to talk about videogames here. I know people over there at reddit say /v/ is only for shitposting but please stop it.
wait wait wait
did you just call frisk a girl
It's ok to like Undertale
The only people who will get triggered are the newfags.
They try to fit in by following the masses and hating everything /v/ hates, they can't form their own opinions.
If they were here longer they would know that /v/ used to love Undertale, it's only hated now because tumblr caught onto it, which is already a stupid reason to hate something.
These kids don't actually look at Undertale for what is but instead just look at it as a punching bag.
Just ignore the MEMEGAME TUMBLRTALE posters, they're not worth the headache
I don't even really remember much about them.
Besides all the Toriel art.
>in GAME you only press buttons for hours and then you finish it. GAME is boring, Big fucking deal, I only pressed buttons!
You can trivialize everything in this way. You just described a lot of cool features and general gameplay.
Please come up with actual arguments this is an discussion board anon. Not a "general negativity board"
But Anon, I already said what was lacking, what was shitty about the dialogue, everything! Why repost it to you if it means nothing to underfags?
Can you not accept that Undertale is like a bad spinoff sitcom?
I agree with you. But posting pictures like that while you make statements like this feels almost like falseflagging.
Please don't use faggot meme pictures. It won't improve the reputation undertale has.
>you browse 4chan therefore you have no right to judge the joke
Don't really see what site I browse has to do with it but okay. Still a cringe my joke and I'm not don't even watch much anime
In Undertale you only press one of four buttons while Toby Fox clone #94 talks about something. There's nothing eye grabbing or remotely deep about Undertale. Nothing actually intrigues me 1%, because Undertale turns into the same gimmick no matter what you're doing for the route requirements.
You aren't making any sense.
I understand the meta element on the Genocide ending.
But from a story perspective, who did Chara need a player to make a connection with Frisk?
If it was powerful enough to break the fourth wall, what was stopping it from possessing a regular human?
At least argue directly instead of standing in the sidelines like a pussy
That thing (the fallen child but not) is a demon that comes when called by name. So, he came into Undertale when you named the fallen child.
Only warlocks can summon demons. Therefore, the player is a warlock.
Thats the thing though, you don't have to watch anime to get the joke, average people know what tsundere is somewhat, toby exaggerates it and uses it as a joke, people find it funny. Here however, the general knowledge and understanding of what it means and what autists use the word for makes it not funny.
Basically normies will find that joke funny.
I'm not really knowledgeable about the plot of this game, because it has like 2 different plots, but I believe Chara just needed EXP to take control of Frisk.
This is where you come in. Chara even says it would have been impossible were it not for you.
I'd rather look like a person who enjoyed Undertale and is justifying the hate behind it
Rather than a "guys look, I'm on no-ones side! Aren't I so mature?"
Also I mainly posted that picture because it's Sunibee, and I like Sunibee
I wonder when the first Undertale thread was made.
The oldest picture in my Undertale folder is from March 8, 2014.
I'm implying that the writing is bland as fuck, and at some points it feels like you're directly talking to a nasally voiced tired as fuck Toby Fox.
All of the archetypes are present:
>Woman general who is really a nice person deep down
>WACKY BAZACKY D00D!
>Lazy fuck (bonus points for lazy fuck who is hiding a massive powerlevel)
>lowkey ghost of antagonist
>power of friendship
>Flamboyant guy of ambiguous detail
>King who feels like doing an hero
I understand the capability of humor in using stereotypes like these, but when Toby makes all the characters bland stereotypes whose dialogue patterns could probably be traced elsewhere; how is that good? All of them are presented as they are: Stereotypes. Nothing else notable.
there's maybe one person in this thread doing any of that. you're making disingenuous generalizations to sweep any and all criticism under a rug where you can easily argue from a vantage point. and you're not even reading what people are actually saying.
Does every joke have to be a gutbuster for you? I actually prefer my games to have those quiet chuckle moments, puts you in a good mood.
It's made using a modified engine, looks wierd because it isn't natural.
Genocide felt more like a non-canon 'what-if' scenario, rather than a seperate, fleshed out path.
Shit like never encountering Alphys felt like deliberate attempts to be lazy in comparison to the other routes. No new areas or encounters besides the two big bosses felt extremely disappointing.
This music gets me hype as fuck to save some old friends, knowing exactly what each of them is in to, so I can give the middle finger to the ragegoat that thought it had me beat.
It's been said before but I'll just reiterate that the music in this game is spot on.
I said they were all clones of eachother because they all felt like half assed attempts at dialogue by Toby Fox.
They all feel like Toby Fox, Undyne is just someone going 'Now Toby you need to do strong general chick'.
None of the text was inspired.
>Using a new meme spawned by /v/ in a /v/ thread is a sure sign I'm underage.
>undertale a game loved by tumblr and leddit can be posted without any issues
But you're ignoring the entire argument.
I can all you autistic fag who needs to kill themself while only acknowledging the second line of your post.
But I'm reading the entire post and responding to the entire post.
Undertale had nothing eye grabbing or 'mysterious' in it, and it was uninspired garbage.
Wait so now they're different stereotypes? I thought they were all clones. Can you let me know where the goalposts are so we can pick an argument?
Just to take one character as an example, it's easy to put Dr. Alphys into the "NERDD" box and dismiss her. However, her social anxiety is rooted in what she has done, and how she feels she has to lie to everyone or be viewed as a monster or failure.
I'm fully aware there are straight edge people on /v/ who hate Undertale.
Maybe you heard me wrong.
I'm mainly issuing those who have had their mindsets for the game twisted through shitposting and satire,
The ones that instantly dismiss the game without batting an eye because /v/ hates it so I must too
Those who respond to every argument with "back to tumblr with you"
"Go back to reddit" is a bit more understandable considering the game does kinda have redditish humour.
You can oversimplify characters like that, sure, but here's the issue.
>Undyne can be oversimplified to radical general chick
>her backstory is even shittier because it follows the 'when I was a little gurl I met da king'
Most characters will probably follow a stereotype but actually make a more original backstory.
>Alright toby you need to write lines for sans
'Hi I'm Sans. I'm lazy and dodge responsibility like a self-destructive shithead. I swear I'll kill you though.' and them some rambling that ends up being about friendship. There's no 'personality' in these characters if you tried.
>wanting to leave the ruins
Why would anyone want to?
Shits comfy as fuck
And don't ever reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
Besides, Alphys can be shoved into the NERDD category as well as 'muh social anxiety' one as well. You think she's the only guilt ridden scientist this side of vidya?
Undyne isn't just a musclehead, though. She's unique in that she demonstrates she is the only monster that has
determination.That aside, she doesn't dismiss others like Papyrus or Alphys because they're willing to put in 100% for the things they want. She's more about passion than power.
That's not to say her childhood story hasn't obviously been done before, and you can see it coming a mile away. I don't think anyone would argue that.
Man, looking through the old threads on the archive is crazy.
How do you know this?
Is it because you're addicted to outrage and seek out tumblr tier material?
Cause how else are you going to encounter this shit otherwise? You disengenoous bald headed little mank twat.
it was still entirely uncalled for when nobody was doing any of that memegame/tumblr shitposting. you saw the thread and made that assumption without reading the thread, which is the problem here.
It's sad, but it's the only explanation that fully explains the fuckery at the end of genocide.
There's the fallen child whose fucked up story only exists in Undertale. Then there's the demon who calls you partner and implies he's worked with you in other world. These are supposed to be the same person, but that's impossible.
The simplest explanation for this (besides Toby fucking up) is that the demon is not the fallen child but possessing them. Why the player has a demon partner that possess people in the first place is because that's how you "control" characters in an RPG. The player always uses the same name / contracts the same demon for his characters, so that is why the demon calls you partner.
It may be Squall is dead tier to call yourself a warlock that torments alternate universes by possessing shonen JRPG protags with demons to slaughter millions in order to explain the lore of Undertale, but nobody else has even tried.
You're either a female who frequents tumblr or an autistic beta faggot if you like this garbage.
Which one are you, anon?
Its the Steven Universe of Video Games
Something so shit with fans that are equally as shit.
>don't like twitch games
>no difficulty settings
>dumb checkpoint system
yeah wow. i'd probably be mad if i paid money for this. i shouldn't have to cheat just to get by. it's fucking dark souls all over again. sure icould learn at my own pace over the course of the game but you know what'd be fucking really awesome, if I could replay this one shitting part over and over again until I GIT GUD but now I'm sick of the game.
great job toby.
Fighting with passion or letting people who can't fight for so and so reason like she does is also bland.
She's unique in her universe, but that's easy to compare to how Kamina can survive after a wound that should kill him despite his species.
She likes Papyrus and Alphys for being the best at who they are, not unique. Muscleheads with softie undertones are already a thing, Undyne just fails to go anything past the category name.
Nah, there's personality there. I like to think of Sans as Pagliacci. Just because a character isn't fleshed out over a full length game with character development doesn't mean they don't have a personality.
Sans is a clown trying to keep up the mood, but is ultimately sad because he knows everything he does is pointless because you'll just reset time anyway. He just doesn't give a fuck until Chara is about to destroy everything.
>I can't afford not to care anymore
>shit gets popular with the mentally challenged, hipsters and landwhales and a mixture of all 3
>people who arent mentally challenged dont like shit and can give you reasons why shit is bad
>buh ur just hatin it cuz its poplar toby said ud do that so he's rite nd ur rong
I love this retardation.
Do you really think anything bad can be defended if the creator says its going to get hated because its popular? Are you really that fucking stupid?
What's wrong, too tired to defend your shitty 5/10? Pathetic.
I argued for Muh, I argued for bland combat system, I argued for bland characters, I gave all my counters.
I'm trying to contribute to you, as a person. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. If you want to actually convince someone that your opinion is valid, then don't resort to the standard /v/ terms.
>Sans is a clown trying to keep up the mood, but is ultimately sad because he knows everything he does is pointless
Cut off from the part that makes it plot related to Undertale and you have a personality type. It is his PT but it's also the same with Undyne. A category/personality type that doesn't go deeper than the name it borrows it from.
>Chara got competitively revived at the end of the genocide run because she got 7 souls
>Asgore knew he could exit the underground with just 1, but decided to gather 7 to turn Asriel back from a flower instead
I just think it's unfair that OP had to spoiler his opinions on the game through fear of getting shat on by everyone.
No-one should have to do that.
Also within in 3 replies to the thread >>325047631
And >>325047821 were posted
It said by Toriel (with no rebuttal from Asgore) that Asgore didn't go out and kill because he hoped no more humans would come, but at the same time promised his people he would free them, and therefore couldn't just let them go.
It's very likely that neither Toriel nor Asgore know about Flowey, as Alphys hid all of her failures.
I'm doing a run where I'm picking and choosing what I kill. So far no important characters, just a few carrots. Am I making a mistake? I might replay the game at some point but probably not.
You're moving goalposts again, also how is it unrelated?
>A category/personality type that doesn't go deeper than the name it borrows it from.
Elaborate please. Sans was obviously more than what you initially thought he was, so I can't see what you're trying to say here.
They're on someone's hard drive, somewhere.
I'm sure a lot of it could be tracked down.
The "Neutral" path that you are taking has a small twist, and a relatively... uneventful ending, relative to the other two. But in doing so, you have the knowledge of how to do either of the much better endings.
Warning: If you want to go for Genocide, you better be quite good at memorizing attack patterns.
Exept that Asgore knew Flowey was Asriel.
>"Mom! Dad! Somebody help me!" I called out.
>But nobody came.
>Eventually, the king found me, crying in the garden.
>I explained what had happened to him.
>Then he held me,
>He held me with tears in his eyes, saying...
>"There, there. Everything is going to be alright."
Toriel is the one that didn't know.
When did you start playing RPGs? This was standard fare in a multitude of RPGs up to and through the NES era. The earlier iterations of Ys or DW(Q) are nigh unbeatable without a bit of grinding. This was likely intentional to make the game last longer.
Cut off the reason why he's depressed (because it makes it directly related to undertale) and you get his personalitytype.
I know sans is a sad piece of worthless that makes jokes because he doesn't like to acknowledge it, but his archetype is lazy with powerlevel. His personality is sad clown.
Undyne has all the typical 'radical female general in army' traits
>childhood she had either the leader of the army/king or just some big warrior figure she looked up to
>it's made a point that the gender is presumed male until seeing the mask off or hearing voice for first time
>appreciates characters like Papyrus for their strong hearts
The 'sad clown' personality that Sans has is exactly that. Remember when you brought up Pagliacci? In Watchmen, the Comedian was the sad clown type, Rorschach even makes a joke about him and Pagliacci in one fell swoop.
Here's the difference: Comedian was sad because he saw the cracks and eventual doom of society, Sans was sad because he was afraid that his actions would all have no merit and eventual point.
are you op? because i have a hard time believing op was actually scared of anonymous people on a korean claymation image board shitting on their opinions. how thin-skinned do you have to be to care? people use spoilers when they're trying to be cute too.
yeah and now you fish for shitposts after i call you out on not reading the thread. how is calling op a furfag tumblr/memegame shitposting anyways?
just read the thread next time and quit being a baby over opinions
>Enjoyed the Game
>Don't want to do Genocide because I personally feel it's really fucked up to
true reset and let them suffer again
>Would recommend it to people
>anytime /v/ mentions it
>"TUMBLR GAME, It's shit, memetale"
Damn, the game is good and interesting. it might not be your type or game and you might be autistic and try to find a reason to hate it but calm the fuck down people. Opinions are Opinions.
Chara never obtained the seven souls, because Asgore died before he revealed them from their hiding spot.
That's Flowey's first time. He went to Asgore and then to Toriel. Realizing neither of them helped, he then tried to commit suicide and discovered resetting. There's no reason to believe either of them still know.
No, you're doing fine. The only reason you wouldn't kill anything ever is because you can fast-track to the "true" ending by warping back to an earlier save instead of having to replay the whole game.
You'll probably replay the game at least once after you beat Asgore just to see what happens next, but don't worry about it for now.
Flowey went to visit Toriel at the ruins after spending time with Asgore. So she likely knew too.
>I ran away from home.
>Eventually, I reached the RUINS.
>Inside I found HER, Chara.
>I thought of all people, SHE could make me feel whole again.
But don't forget that Flowey reset his save point many times, so he undid that time spent with the both of them.
It's not rocket science. This isn't getting the zodiac spear in FFXII levels of necessary knowledge. If you want the "bad" ending, the only thing you need to know is that areas have finite amounts of monsters in them. If you want the "good" ending, then you only need to know that it isn't necessary to kill anything. Attack? Maybe. But never kill.
Well, he doesn't go into detail about his interactions with Toriel, but presumably he explained the same thing to her and she tried to comfort him as well, but it didn't matter since he couldn't love. Although both of them would have forgotten when he tried to kill himself and wound up back at his "save point."
You know, I really disliked the fact that you couldn't sacrifice yourself in pacifist route to give Asgore his last soul so that the people of the underworld could go to the upper world.
It would make it the best Jesus story in gaming. Sacrificing your own life to grant them passage to heaven.
Wait, are you literally suggesting the first 30 minutes of the game, when literally no characters or plot have been introduced besides Toriel, is the best part?
Top kek you're autistic.
Well, you could do that in any run. Just die. They will get the 7th soul, Asgore will not be weakened and easy to kill for Flowey. You just don't get to see the ending because you're dead. Duh.
Well, it never was your soul to begin with, so the message would fall flat.
there is not a single game that gets this treatment in this shit hole
Sad clown is hardly typical, though. You said he was just a lazy fuck hiding a powerlevel, but you oversimplified it to hell by calling each character a clone of Toby.
Undyne is a very simple archetype, though I agree. That's probably because she's satire behind the strong female shounen that she adores so much, and is also in some RPGs. This is fine because Undertale is an RPG satire.
>Here's the difference: Comedian was sad because he saw the cracks and eventual doom of society, Sans was sad because he was afraid that his actions would all have no merit and eventual point.
Yes. They're both different, but they're both still good, believable reasons. You need to remember one is a comic character (no pun intended), and the other is in a small indie game. Of course Comedian will be better written.
not really. most games are balanced well enough. if you're seriously just fighting the same dudes over and over, so you can fight the other dude you can't beat, that's just a bunch of repetitive busywork taking the place of lowering the difficulty or cheating.
wow, it's almost like you should never fucking listen to /v/
these are the same retards who go coo-coo for memes and then go on a witch hunt for anyone who goes on reddit
the only reason i havent abandoned this shithole is because it's a good place for OC and news
>MY OPINIONS ARE BETTER THAN YOURS!!! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
1. Fight Asgore
3. Turn off the game and never play it again
It's the same logic behind "letting them be happy" at the end of a pacifist route. They're enjoying the ending, but you can't be around to see it because you just mess up time and reset everything.
Nuclear Throne > this fag-pandering, Reddit-magnetizing, beta-enveloping piece of dog shit. idk how a game can copy the Earthbound series this blatantly and get away with it without a scratch.
>Don't want to do Genocide because I personally feel it's really fucked up
They're not real, anon. They don't have feelings. Killthem all.
It also just occurred to me, that if you aren't in the Underworld, Flowey will reset before Asgore takes power because he has the strongest soul.
So yeah, Jesus ending impossible.
Sans is written as a lazy fuck hiding power.
Sans' deeper personality is sad clown. It's not an overdone type I will concede. but you acknowledge it has become a 'thing.'
Comedian is better written and uses the same personality type, but people praise Toby's writing like it's original. Both are good reasons to fall into sad clown type, but Sans sounds similar to Comedian in this regard; you could even *try* to make some argument about Sans coming after.
>i-i-its my opinion to eat shit!
Doesnt change the fact you eat shit, senpai
Sans is by far the best character in the game
Even "lazy" can be dissected, though. He is smart, and through some means, knows the world is being reset. If you knew that it didn't matter what you did this week because everything would go back to right now, how would you act?
>>Here's the difference: Comedian was sad because he saw the cracks and eventual doom of society, Sans was sad because he was afraid that his actions would all have no merit and eventual point.
Except it's stated that Sans too had seen the signs: his machine that tracked the anomaly showed the destruction of the universe. He's not simply apathetic because he's afraid of trying, he's apathetic because there's hard scientific evidence there's nothing he can do.
>Sans is written as a lazy fuck hiding power.
Also, this is completely wrong. Sans is -initially portrayed- as a lazy fuck by people around him. But if you actually play the game, he has multiple jobs, he's always following you around (even into combat), he's Santa's little helper, he's anything BUT lazy.
I'm autistic myself, after years of taking Social Skills (all the way from Elementary to High School, even though by 4th grade it was useless for me) I can tell you that at least some of us can detect face and emotion recognition very easily. Apologies if there are any grammar mistakes, I've been up for a day.
>the attack symbol above his head
What is that thing supposed to be anyway?
Sans is portrayed as slacking off at his jobs, using teleports to avoid walking, and even being so lazy he couldn't fight in Genocide.
Comedian knew someone was going to kill him, and that society was crumbling, how did he act?
>They're not real, anon. They don't have feelings.
But even if they're just fictional characters, if they had any impact on you, you have to see them as people to some degree. If the pacifist ending had no effect no effect on you, if you didn't really feel any attachment towards these characters, then I can understand turning right around and murdering them without much thought.
But you can't really enjoy and cherish a character like a friend, then turn around and act like killing them doesn't mean anything.
NO YAMATO NO
>hurr sayz u
>dats what u get for not bein autistic like us
Good response, famicom.
I just wanted an Apathy Route where I choose to stay with Toriel at the Ruins
>I learn everything there is to know about snails
>I eat butterscotch pie every morning and help her make it by learning her recipe
>Listen to Sans and his knock knock jokes through the door. Eventually meet Papyrus or other characters.
>I learn lots of puns, come up with some of my own
>I talk to her on the cell phone when she's in another room or when I'm exploring the ruins
I flirt with my new mom every day
Different guy, but I found it kinda neat that Sans realized he was effectively in a Groundhog day situation.
Would explain his ability to act lazy and still be one step ahead of you every single time.
Show me some good remixes guys
What am I supposed to say? You're calling me autistic because my opinion is different than yours. I'm not going to be able to change your mind, why bother?
Fine then I guess anyone who's opinions don't match yours exactly is now less of a person. Glad we could work this out Your Highness.
Wouldn't Asgore eventually find out, likely through Papyrus, and come to kill you anyways?
Actually that would be kind of cool, Toriel trying to protect you as Asgore chases you through the ruins
I've been looking for that image!
Have some fireworks as thanks.
>Asgore's theme has Toriel mixed in
>mfw I noticed it has the game over theme too
>But you can't really enjoy and cherish a character like a friend, then turn around and act like killing them doesn't mean anything.
but what about the characters you have to kill? :^)
Yeah, that would be neat and scary as shit.
Flowey would also pop up and get annoyed at you
>Why are you just staying here?
>You can leave any time.
>There is a whole world just waiting to be explored.
>Don't you care about what is out there?
>Don't you want to go home?
>Will you grow old and DIE here?
Sort of a remix of the very small Gaster Theme hidden in the game's sound test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHzM19mJNDw
It's pretty fucking good for a fan-made song. I could see it being in the game.
I do wish they at least gave you the opportunity to get bored of it on your own, rather than just giving her a few lines of dialogue with an immediate "How do I leave the ruins" option.
Maybe have it so that you could actually read 100 boring snail facts. Or have a cute snail-hunting minigame that's incredibly easy. I feel like most players got to Toriel's house and felt like they were being kicked right out the door, when ironically the point is that she wanted them to stay.
>game that can be beaten by hugging fucking everyone
>on the same level of writing as blue's clues
>fags deny this up and down
>nu huh you can't hug everyone
Worst game to fucking happen since gone home.
>neutral ends; flowey steals the hearts to become turbo charged
>pacifist end; flowey steals the hearts to become turbo charged
>genocide end; doesn't steal the hearts to become turbo charged
I wouldn't be surprised if there were 100 boring snail facts in the game's code, considering she does give you different ones if you replay the game.
I think Toby had a different perspective on the game's design when he made the demo, but he never updated it to match the rest of the game. The demo feels like it was slapped into the full game without even a single once-over.
>tfw I followed her instructions at the beginning and stayed in the Ruins waiting for her sequential phone calls until the Annoying Dog stole her phone.
I'll hug you, motherfucker.
Don't think I won't.
asgore didn't actually know you were coming and didn't have the souls ready
literally blues clue tier writing and character design
you couldn't hug anyone in gone home. thus it was a shit game.
Asgore never pulled them out, did he? Flowey was still in the process of explaining things, so he didn't ready them.
Although according to Undyne, on her dying breath she says that if you defeat her Alphys would have told Asgore to absorb the human souls in order to stop you. I'm not exactly sure why he didn't, other than cowardice; he never seemed comfortable with the idea of using human souls for power, ironically.
>game designed for literal children
>extremely popular amongs youtubes and streams
>that are only watched by literal children
The fact this game is popular on /v goes to show /v is filled with fucking children.
Is this the new one? Now that people 100% dismiss comparisons to Barney as shitposting, you've moved on to Blue's Clues?
oh wow that's never been done in a fucking video game before you stupid faggot.
The point is literally ever character is exactly the same. They all just want to be your friend and flirt and suck your cock. Literally every character in the game just wants to be your gay ass fucking buddy.
Then again you're like 14 so I doubt you fucking care about good character design or actually engaging stories.
While there's zero proof of this, it's possible that Asgore learned the truth about hybrids through Alphys' experiments. If Asgore knew the human souls still have a mind and can take control with enough willpower, then of course he'd be terrified of using them even as a last resort.
can confirm. here's every character being your gay ass fucking buddy
Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.-Asgore
you've just proven you're a retard
very few characters actively try to be you're friend, you can either convince them to be your friend or kill them
i can tell you're getting really mad, you should take a nap if undertale is triggering you so hard
>if i keep repeating the same point with no evidence, maybe the strangers on the internet will believe me and think i'm cool
i didn't know my wife's son was trans until I walked in on him playing undertale
its like you googled Indie games and posted whatever popped up
Is there actually anything suggesting that? She was also in charge of evacuating the folks in Hotland, and most of them seem to have actually fled (except for the random encounters.) That would actually make sense, though, if she killed herself after Undyne died then Asgore would have never gotten the message, and he does seem a bit confused and unsure when you arrive.
all the main characters want to be your friend. What the fuck are you talking about faggot? You go on dates with these fucking things.
You end the game surrounded by all these faaggot characters in a group hug talking about friendship and being faggy.
Seriously undertale fags are delusional.
Some legit negatives of the game.
-pretty poor sprite animation work
-little to no environmental music and what is there is often repeated
-pretty limited control options
I don’t think the story or writing was “Blues Clues”.
>You end the game surrounded by all these faaggot characters in a group hug talking about friendship and being faggy.
Yeah, if that's what you choose to do.
As stated before, you could also just murder everyone.
the whole shit about souls and power levels was pretty fucking retarded and terribly inconsistent to what's actually going on in game. It made no sense at fucking all.
Characters power and strengths are all over the fucking place. And sense the entire game's story is focused on "ma soul power" and gay hope shit that's some pretty terrible writing.
okay, you're clearly off your meds, so i'll make it easy for you
papyrus, alphys, and toriel want to be nice to you
undyne, mettaton, and asgore want to kill you
sans doesnt care
the other enemies want to kill you out of spite or a misunderstanding
if you spare them all, you end the game with lots of friends
if you kill them all, they're all dead
>want to kill you
>BUT GET WON OVER BY THE POWER OF FRIIIIEEEENNNDDDSHHIIIPP
Fuck you faggot. If you don't get how that's a child's storeline then it's clear you're a fuckign faggot.
it's the huggiest fag fest. that's why I like it. besides my tastes > average tastes > shit tastes > your tastes.
execution is everything, why dont you take the time to look at what you're criticizing
this game has talking skeletons and lizard people who watch anime, the word is "fun" not "childish"
You only win one of those three over with the power of friendship. You beat the other two into submission.
Learn what you're criticizing, faget.
I like how someone doing/saying something and changing your mind is an impossible scenario to you.
Every argument against in this thread has just been an oversimplification.
Why do you need to vocally hate things so much? Doesn't it bring you down to be mad like this?
your friends might suplex you, just because they can
>Fuck you faggot
>way to go fag
I think you should liven up your vocabulary a bit.
>it gives us an excuse to post fanart
>thinking we care
I recognise you
>First reaction image is John Cena laughing
>second reaction image red top laughing with American flag
>laughs at people having opinions and calls everyone autistic
You did the same shit in another Undertale thread yesterday, fuck I don't even think that thread was a shitposting thread either.
Is this your life?
Are you special?
I anyone gives enough of a shit go to the archives and screen shot the previous thread.
>shallow uninspired story
>character depth of children's TV show
N...nothing wrong with that right guys? We can all be friends and fighting is baddddddd. Don't do drugs!
every character in tumblrtale is an annoying faggot that needs to be punched in their faggot faces. I bet you think being gay, tranny, or a mulsim is cool and your white-male privilege is holding the world down.
>how is calling op a furfag tumblr/memegame shitposting anyways?
This is a worksafe board. Spoil that shit.
pretty much this. only cucks of the highest degree like undermeme
anon, it's become painfully obvious you're baiting
go to bed
>he doesn't jerk off to his own faggot self-insert OC
Why even live, anon?
I get it, you're 12. Some day you are going to be old enough to create your own stupid shit game just like undertale that you played when you were a child. I'm going to have to put up with your fucking faggots for a long fucking time.
I've seen games get shit on a lot, and games like this to a lesser degree, but I never seen a fucking game on /v/ that just causes this much buttmad from both sides.
That alone makes this shit great.
>op posts a clear furfaggot image shilling for undertale and spamming /v/ with this shit thread yet again like a cuck
>calling him out for it is shitposting
This entire thread is a shitpost. If calling things how they are is shitposting, than I aspire to be the shit lord.
But they're such a cute couple.
>countering shitposting with shitposting negates my shitpost
are you triggered anon? if you dont like the game then post in a different thread
>edgelord tumblr art
follow the conversation. i know you're not going to do that though so let me sum it up: that guy claimed people were calling it a tumblr/memegame and at the point in the thread he posted nobody did. when he posted examples to prove himself right one of them was calling op a furfag which was not what he had claimed.
>mfw you fell for a meme hard enough to actually shed tears as you played a cheaply-made, throaway indie game.
Look at yourself in the mirror and laugh. You're just as silly as the people who start convulsing at church or "feel a strange energy" if they're told a house is haunted.
A developer threw a couple of popular gimmicks together, then shilled the game enough to make it seem like a "piece of art", and you sat there and cried over it, because other people told you it was supposed to be a profound experience.
go to a different board faggot, you cucks can't go 20 minutes without making a thread, that's called a general.
go back to all your other deranged furfag friends.
I read the whole conversation, but that one quote kinda made no sense to me.
and people say undertale fans are bad? the shitposters are the ones clearly suffering from severe autism
but you'd be lonely without us. we're here for you. your shitposts give us inspiration
I played the game on release date, while not having played the demo or ever seen a thread about it. I still got emotional in certain parts, not even getting close to tears but some parts still hit home.
Based on the fact the rules stated regular threads go on /vg/, yes, this is considered 'shitposting', as it is breaking rules, while being proud of the fact and inciting people to reply.
Sorry anon, but if Undertale was kept to /vg/ like it should be, nobody would care.
>not being a furry
stop lying to yourselves, the sooner you give in the better it gets
>hating something when you dont even know what it is
Honesty I haven't seen many people who cal this game shit without reason.
Imo it's just decent, for me there was nothing special about it, I've seen 4th wall breaking before.
I liked the robot and I loved the music, the game itself and the story were sub par.
>Sick of all this Undertale shitposting
>Seriously guys get off /v/ already
>Holy shit you fucks are annoying
>Fuck you, I'm going to play the game so I'm that much better at shitposting about it
>Pfft, this is just all bizarre furry shit
>I mean there's a bit of a funny moment now and then, and the characters are pretty boring
>Well I mean they are okay, but nothing special. Normal I guess.
>I really like the dog fights, but I just like dogs anyway so that totally doesn't count.
>Walking to the ruins
>Fight the big bad goat
>ooooh so touching he doesn't wana fight lol fag
>'Maybe you should reload the game'
>Pfft, fine. Took me a whole three hours anyway
>The real ending
>tfw saving the lost souls
>Holy shit this game is awesome
Well, that didn't work out how I planned.
>The furry fandom is a subculture interested in fictional anthropomorphic animal characters with human personalities and characteristics.
Nothing about fur needing to be part of the character. So, I guess this was a cry for (You)'s.
>calling out shitposting is shitposting
If that is the case, then your post is the ultimate irony, a contradiction in and of itself.
>cherry-picking one tiny essentially inconsequential word in the post to attempt to invalidate the entire thing
If you can't see that this thread is obvious shitposting bait to piss off the board, than you're literally retarded and/or blind.
Either way nigger, not the guy you quoted but I downloaded lisa the first after hearing about it and it was fucking awful. Couldn't get past the first hour it was so bad. I'll try out Lisa the painful because that's why I meant to play anyways.
>implying he's pretending to be retarded for the purpose of discussion or enlightenment
Don't bring Socrates into this man what'd he do.
>There are adults who play Undertale and watch Adventure Time while considering both to be at the top of their medium
Undertale doesn't really have any memes in it, though.
why is it bad?
never played it, only following shitpost because reasons
>a pose of ignorance assumed in order to entice others into making statements that can then be challenged.
Which is essentially what they're doing. Acting stupid so people go "you're wrong because X" and then X is challenged with Y. Got nothing to do with enlightenment, it's literally the 'learned' term for 'pretending to be retarded'.