>make a thinly veiled waifu simulator with tits out the ass and incest
>censor it anyway
Wait, wasn't that the thing that one "tranny" on tumblr/twitter mistranslated in some way, then spammed it everywhere blowing it out of proportions? Then it later got debunked with them being btfo?
I was honestly gonna buy this game originally, but now it's a no go.
>"In the version of the game that ships in the US and Europe, there is no expression which might be considered as gay conversion or drugging that occurs between characters," Nintendo said in a statement to Nintendo World Report. The company did not say exactly how it intends to alter the scene or whether it has just been removed completely.
>You literally drug someone into being of a different sexual orientation
>People are defending this
This is the very definition of male entitlement. Characters shouldn't be designed specifically with your fantasies accounted for. If the character doesn't like men then she should not be a romancable option. It's fucking disgusting that they would include a "date rape" drug to get her to like you. Anita was right.
Between them going full bore on disc locked content and amiibos, alongside censorship out the ass, I'm glad I'm not buying their products. I'd hate to validate this sort of management.
>Moderates will continue to claim SJW's have no influence
Yes, here's our friend Andrea Ritsu that made sure to reach out to NoA about this disgusting scene.
>Here's your (You).
When is this little beta bitch trend going to end?
What we need to do is take the Japaneses propaganda and send it back to where it came from.
"hey girls I'm a transexual lesbian, but I don't plan on getting any surgery done. Please fellow lesbians, date me and my penis!"
Is what I hear any time this autist is brought up anywhere.
yeah this one is more reasonable, though. you can't "cure" gay people
i get that it's "just a game" and that they "can do whatever they want," but you all have to realize that some people will be uncomfortable with a message like this, and it could accidentally hurt adolescent children's minds regarding topics like what being gay is
nintendo is still a bunch of fags though
Nintendo in the 80s censored vaguely satanic games because they didn't wanted to offend the hysterical religious moms.
Nintendo in the 90s censored violent games because they didn't wanted to offend the hysterical soccer moms.
Nintendo in the 00s censored sexy games because they didn't wanted to offend the hysterical single moms.
Nintendo in the 2010s censors "problematic" games because they didn't want to offend the hysterical SJW childless cunts.
tl;dr hysterical cunts ruin vidya.
there goes a sale
seriously, the pandering fanservice shit is all this game has going for it and they're taking that out too? Fuck that and fuck nintendo
>someone invents the word SJW
>holy fuck the world has gone to shit, we'll be slaves in chains in a few years time
All of these things are no reason to get hyped up about, neither is it censorship.
A company making a decision to market their product to a wider audience is not censorship
>you all have to realize that some people will be uncomfortable with a message like this, and it could accidentally hurt adolescent children's minds regarding topics like what being gay is
And I say to those people, they can take their real life shitty problems that they total control over somewhere else and not bring their shitty nonexistence problem into a Fantasy video game that can do whatever and be whatever the fuck it wants.
>implying anyone would be uncomfortable if they made a scene of making a straight character gay
lmao I wouldn't care and neither should gays, it's just a fucking game, stop being so insecure
This, it'll pass, we'll move on.
As much as I am against censorship, the support was stupid anyways and something I don't like won't necessarily make me whine and complain and refuse to buy a game, unlike SJWs and you idiots. Censorship is bad, but small time stuff like this isn't gonna keep me from what I enjoy.
>Numerous direct translations show that she was never a lesbian in the first place
>Game only pairs her with guys
>They make up random details just to make it sound worse then it is.
How does this keep happening? Do gaming journalist just browse outdated tumblr posts or something?
Laughing at anyone who actually thinks censorship is happening.
>but you all have to realize that some people will be uncomfortable with a message like this
The line needs to be drawn before some people's feelings to see where things needs to be changed.
Does it risk extreme backlash? Okay, change it a little because that could seriously harm your reputation and sales. Does it only make some sensitive fuckers uncomfortable? Don't change that shit.
Here's the thing: They got power and influence because you bitched about them and gave them attention. This remember when a SJW complained about this scene and you raised a stink and brought attention to it. So now it's getting changed.
And then you have the stupidity to point to this and say "This is why we shouldn't ignore SJWs!". You are playing right into their hands.
I seriously don't know why I haven't sold my Wii-U and 3DS by now. Haven't bought a game for either of them in while, and come to think of it, I don't think I've even turned either on in months.
Guess I know what I'm doing tomorrow.
>Y-you'll see gaiz! Based treehouse will deliver!
>neither is it censorship
It is by every definition of the word. Please don't tell me you're one of those "if it's not by the government then it's not censorship". Even tumblrinas should be able to get that through their fucking head, what with the bitch fit they threw over the lesbians being removed from that cartoon.
Just like people who vape, all you are doing is announcing how much cock you like to suck
You aren't 'winning' anything by littering /v/ with your pointless passive aggressive posts
>They got power and influence because you bitched
Your dumbass does realize that every fucking journo was going to push SJW retards whether or not they are being attacked right?
Wu is literally a popular face because she sockpuppeted her own trolls
I don't understand why people are getting all hot and bothered by this, the support is straight up fucking stupid and I'm incredibly glad its being changed. It's so weird and nonsensical that I really want someone to explain to me why they don't like this being changed. So if I understand right, you drug Soliel into liking you, because she now sees you as a girl, and now is willing to marry you for your looks because she's a lesbo, correct me if I'm wrong. So why is this something that shouldn't be changed? This incredibly awkward weebish support is being changed into something that actually makes sense, and doesn't involve something retarded and shallow like tricking and drugging her into liking you.
Please just explain to me why people want this to not be changed, I don't get why anyone thinks this support isn't retarded. Please don't just say censoring is bad, even when it comes to something that's fucking stupid like this, and no I'm not censor damage controlling either, I haven't bought any of Nintendo's new games since the new Kirby and I'm skeptical of getting this one. I just legitimately think anything would be better then how this support currently is.
literally no one actually ever says this
Treehouse is factually shit. It's a shame they'll never scrap the whole group and hire some actually professional people
people feeling uncomfortable generally leads to said backlash
you're awesome, some people just suck though, and you have to work around it to save face
i thought it said she was a lesbian? hm.
Changing material from the source in a way that clashes with the original material.
Localization may change a few things, but the material and makers vision is kept mostly intact
>...they got power and influence because you bitched...
Wait, there are actually people retarded enough to believe this? Didn't the ties in the industry that were proven again and again by gamergaters not enough of a wakeup call?
Gonna buy it anyway, since they didnt remove the feature to pet my waifu.
These people were working at these sites before gamergate and before fucking anita's stupid kickstarter. You are literally blaming /v/ for people getting hired several years ago.
They didn't say anything about facebook, how did you make this mental leap?
Good thing I don't care since Fates looks like hot garbage. Just like Awakening, zero effort has been put into the actual gameplay, and 100% is put into shitty my first waifu simulator.
I miss old FE. It used to be a strategy game that happened to have an anime artstyle. Now it's an anime game with strategy elements carelessly tacked on.
Welp, there goes any serious discussion to be had about the game for a month after release. At least on /v/. What else can be expected from a board that at this point prides itself on shitposting and making everything seem like the world is ending?
That being said, Fire Emblem Fates will indeed sell less copies now because more people have access to the ability to pirate 3DS games than before, and with news like this, more people will do it and use said event to justify what they do. Now for the inevitable return to being a Japanese exclusive franchise, or better yet, the death of it.
you were never going to buy anything you beta faggot
you just bitch
bitch about the waifus
bitch about the censorship of said waifus
bitch about tumblr
bitch about 4chan
you're just a bitch, and you'll still be one until the day you die, fucking useless piece of shit
>You can't "cure" gay people
Seeing how its a mental disease I disagree. In fact, I would barely call it a disease, its just a fetish that they take too seriously. Thats why they act hyper sexual all the time, they are just acting on a fetish. Everyone is straight, they just don't know it.
This is really happening.
You really are all this fucking retarded.
I'm fucking done. Go ahead and feed them forever, and keep acting surprised when they get more influence and status.
You've already lost if this is what you truly believe.
>They got power and influence because you bitched about them and gave them attention.
This is exactly what SJW's say when we criticize terrorist groups and radical Muslims.
Awful argument by the way. Acknowledging wrongdoings is a prerequisite for stopping them shithead.
Learn the difference between censorship and localization you idiots
>people feeling uncomfortable generally leads to said backlash
Like stubbing your toe would lead to you punching someone in the face. I'm talking a huge backlash, not some fucking twitter spam organized by tumblr.
>got the entire game plus all DLC (about 120$) for free and months ahead of time
Buykeks, when will they learn.
I could spoil you the entire game right now, but the story is so fucking shit you'd suffer more going through it yourself.
Underaged libcuck Social Justice Weenie detected.I remember there was a shitstorm during the whole Mortal Kombat is too violent shit, even top tier liberal politicians like Tipper Gore and Bill Clinton joined in. Maybe slick Willie was buttmad his game got shitcanned.
Do you think NOA will remove gay marriages?
It's the one thing they can't really escape from.
>It's our fault
Literally a radical Muslim argument, I cannot believe this shit.
Good riddance fuckface, all you did was sit and make shitty points anyway.
>Amiibos are going to push nintendo to do lots of disc locked content and will have negative repurcussions
FUCK OFF IT'LL ONLY BE COSMETICS!
>Nintendo isn't going to stop censoring games in localization
FUCK OFF THEY NEVER CENSORED ANYTHING IT IS JUST LOCALIZATION
You people wouldn't tolerate this from most other companies.
So you like companies telling you that you cannot handle certain material so it needs to be removed? Nintendo is basically saying that the West cannot handle this type of shit so they are changing it, deciding for everyone who was interested in the game that they are not allowed to see it.
Do you like when companies treat you like a moron? Changing for the sake of change is and has always will be retarded. This is why everyone thinks the west are a bunch of fucking morons.
>slaughter of millions of people and extreme violence in general? Sign me up!
>Anything at all pertaining to anything sexual or romantic that maybe considered "weird" or "creepy"? Nah, change it I don't want to see it, think of the children.
Yup. The only thing the whole GG thing taught me is how much of them are actually crazy left wing lunatics who argue against anything even remotely sexy/sexual under the guise of games need to grow up etc. It's part of the reason why I can't stomach most of these fuckers now because they need to remind everyone about how much of a adult they are.
>game where you literally murder people
>"uhh yeah we need to not teach children magic potions can't make you horny! thats the real problem!"
Holy fucking shit you realize you're a sexual puritan right?
You can bet Tharja's ass that this game will get censored, Treehouse cannot handle lewd of any kind
Can't really blame them, honestly. The SJW crowd is bigger, more vocal, and has more sympathy than their detractors, particularly in gaming press. Not censoring the game would have lead to headlines of "Nintendo supports homophobia and date rape", while censoring it just leads to "Nintendo censors a thing, but it was a really bad thing!" and they save face.
I find it funny that people are honestly shocked that a gigantic public company cares more about sales than the integrity of it's IP's.
>i thought it said she was a lesbian? hm.
you should probably look into things a bit more before engaging in conversation about them. That said your general point stands regardless.
I'll give you a brief run-down anyways - the chick always got nervous/faint around "cute girls". Half the cast being female and cute meant this was a bit of a problem on the battlefield so the mc drugs her to make her see him as a woman so they can work on her fear and she gets over said fear and falls in love with the mc in the process because animeme love interests. She's not gay and can't even get with any other girls, all her S rank supports being with guys - all of them.
You could drug people into changing sexuality. So, lesbians would see men as women and would be cool having sex and kids. Same with making straight dudes seeing dudes as women and having sex with them.
>you can't "cure" gay people
I don't think you realize how delicate the human mind is. You can completely change someone with very little effort, so "curing" a gay person isn't out of the question at all.
You mean like all the hysterics in this thread?
>It's just one chapter in this book, who cares?
>it's just a few words in this song, who cares?
>it's just a few posts in this thread, who cares?
>it's just a few strokes on this painting, who cares?
>it's just a few pixels on this image, who cares?
I swear to god the curtain makes it look more lewd because you don't actually see what kind of bikini it could be. I could be a fucking string for all you know unless you looked it up online prior.
They literally already had the influence. Being in those positions, having control of media platforms, that's the influence. Jesus, it's like you think /v/ expressly gave them permission to do the jobs they had already been doing for years.
Are you describing yourself? Because the only fucking lesbian in the entire game is NotTharja. Soleil is Inigo's daughter, and shares his traits. If you actually fucking played the game or the one before it, you'd know what his defining trait is.
>still being hyped after learning Fates is nothing but a otome game pandering to women.
Of course they will censor it, but I'll not buy it.
No I just think the support is stupid and it shouldn't have been like the way it was in the first place. If I ever end up buying this game and doing the support I'll thank NoA for changing it into something that's not retarded to me, maybe they're doing a good job if I as a general american planning on buying this game finds a localization change to be make more sense and be better then the original.
Read what you just said. And it was blood to sweat
>girl is shy around men
>lets give her a potion that make her see men as women so she's more comfortable around men
>this mean she's a dyke
>it's another GamerGate thread
>changing something = censorship
If anything, it's only being made out to be censorship with phrasing like "removed" to appeal to the "SJW" onlookers when really it's just making entirely new content.
Censorship is FemCorrin's new armor in Smash 4.
This isn't censorship. It's quality control. Be happy they're trying to fix this game's shitty writing.
This. Call me when they stop letting you create a self-insert Mary Sue so you can marry your non-existent waifu and start making games like FE7 or FE9 again.
That's the complete opposite. The woman is a lesbian and you can CURE HER of her lesbianism by making her see biological men as women. In short, an illusion. With drugs.
So Treehouse has done something with the scene, we don't know if it's been removed or altered. All we know is, it's likely people had a fucking fit at the idea that you can "cure" homosexuality. As in Japan, if you're 18+ and a lesbian, you're scum. If you're under 18, you're good.
exactly how is he wrong my fellow liberal arts student?
In some cases it is a trauma, given that is like a mental wound, it can be treated.
Liberals however think it is better to push this lifestyle (same with people with gender disorder) than to lend them a hand. It is like telling a cripple that he is super cool and it is people who should check their biped privilege rather than helping him walk again.
Then again at the end of the day gays are like 1% or less of the world population at BEST. Liberals are hypocrites hiding using DIVERSITY as their shield to gain power.
Based Treehouse fixing Fate's shit tier writing. Hopefully they remove Pieri and fix Nohr's atrocious storyline. The writing in this is the WORST in the entire series. How bad is that? Think about it, this Fire Emblem game is the worst written Fire Emblem game. I want you to just imagine how awful that is.
Yeah man, everybody listen to children. Videogames are the latest culture these vile faggots have tried to shoehorn themselves.
You know what are they aiming for now? tabletop games. Now that bruva alfabusa guy has made 40k blip on the youtube radar they decided that it's what they need to shit up next.
Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.
>/v/ has been discussing this all day
>Already a slow thread somewhere else
>Now this thread is moving lightning fast
What sort of shit posting is this? Most people wanted that support removed and changed anyway.
Think about it this way lads. Nintendo never intended to offend or make anyone feel uncomfortable while playing this game. This probably wasn't a big deal in Japan, but apparently not here in the west. By removing it they are using their artistic freedom to fit cultural sensitivities and bring the product they intended to make in the first place. Let's say culture A sees the color red as the color of happiness, but culture B relates it to sadness. You want both cultures to feel happy, so you give color red to culture A and change color for culture B.
Call it self-censorship if you want, but they're within their right to do so.
you need to be 18 or more to post here kiddo.
"Nintendo is for kids" statement started because of nintendo constant fear to have non-kid oriented games on their consoles since the fucking SNES.
I can't say I can blame NoA considering how shitty the censorship of everything else is in America.
Like, I can't even hear the word pussy on tv when its used in a sexual context.
Thanks for treating us like kids America.
I think in the original scene she's gay but she gets turned straight by the almighty power of D. So they'll rewrite it so she remains gay and everyone is okay with it.
>NO VIOLENT GAMES ALLOWED, THINK OF THE CONFUSED CHILDREN
>NO SEXUAL CONTENT ALLOWED, THINK OF THE CONFUSED CHILDREN
>NO RACIST GAMES ALLOWED, THINK OF THE CONFUSED CHILDREN
Congratulations, you have the thought process of a bitter soccer mom. Good news: it's not too late to kill yourself.
>In Japan, homosexuality in women is seen as something scummy, disgusting and abhorrent, bringing shame on your family and their ancestors if you're 18 or older and still like smashing clams together.
>So they put in an ability to cure a woman of her lesbianism, but instead of outright fixing it, making it so she sees men as women instead.
>In the West, homosexuality is more normal than normal. Having the idea that homosexuality is something you'd want to change is scummy, disgusting and abhorrent.
>So this scene needs to be changed. There can be no hint that homosexuality can be cured, but also no hint that homosexuality is a mental illness.
Why are we surprised at this point? It seems to be, literally, location changes. It's the same shit, same bollocks, but we can't change it.
It doesn't matter what the game in question is, nor what the change is. If there is any form of change during localization for any game, /v/ will sperg the fuck out and have about 500 shitpost-filled threads about it. Guaranteed.
Do we actually know what exactly was changed?
I remember hearing that the "gay conversion therapy" stuff was a lie, so it's possible they din't have to change much.
Though knowing Nintendo ...
Holy fuck, there's literally nothing wrong with this. Because its a video game. That someone wanted to make this way.
This isn't real life. Stop being weird.
P.S. Tell you and your friends to calm down, this world is shitty enough already.
>ISIS censors Good Gameplay in order to appeal to Otaku losers and get more sales
>This is fine
>Nintendo of America improves the low quality writing in the game to improve the over all experience for actual Fire Emblem fans
Never change neo-/v/
>Nintendo: We are not a kiddy company, we have hardcore games like bayononetta and xenoblade
>better censorship everything to demonstrate this point
I kinda feel bad for Ninty they got the same reputation as Disney, and people think they are evil for some reason.
I think it is funny how liberal cunts have turned ultra conservative.
>Game has homos, lesbians, shota traps
>Oh fuck, what do I complain about now?
>Girl who sees girls other as cute marries a man
>The Quiet Homophobia in Fire Emblem Fates Triggered Me by Translizard2015
Okay, glad you agree that it,s not censorship then, you dumbfuck
If Bob Ross decides he want to add another tree in the foreground in his paintings, you better fuckign believe he can do it. You being a crybaby won,t change a thing
>People thought it was coming over here uncensored
The treehouse censored XBX, why would they bring this over censored-free?
You do realise these changes are made, not about out of fear of upsetting people, but out of the fear that children will ask questions.
In the West, the idea of talking to your kids, educating them, explaining shit and downright being a good parent is gone. You bung them in front of the TV/PC/Console and tell them to get on with it. If there is content which might make little Timmy go "mommy, why are those two girls kissing?", it'll cause a hassle for the parents, meaning they don't want it in the first place.
It's why Steven Universe was censored in UK.
But that ALSO applies to content in games, except it's changed now. It's no longer about "awkward questions", but about making sure they're not asked in the first place. How? By making the idea homosexuality a thing to question a thing of the past.
It actually was a pretty big deal in Japan among FE fans. Her supports are panned by most Japanese fans, at least from what I've seen on 2ch. She's basically the single worst-written character in the franchise.
Offensive or not, they're fucking terrible supports.
People against this change in the past two threads haven't given a legitimate reason as to why it shouldn't be changed outside of 'it's censorship' without explaining why they think that this change in particular is bad. Faggots on /v/ just like using anything as an excuse to talk about 'censoring' and how much they hate SJWs for changing content that is just made to appeal to an audience that it's being localized for. Just typical modern /v/ at its finest, anything and everything related to a localization change will be used as cannon fodder for some peoples SJW hateboner.
Anyone who didn't see this coming a mile away is stupid.
Stay mad faggots
>Do we actually know what exactly was changed?
There's literally no proof that anything was even changed. The reply from Nintendo that everyone is having a conniption over can just as well mean that nothing is changed because there is no problem.
But it is. Read the next bit.
>OR OTHER GROUPS OR INSTITUTIONS
It's censorship because, if it IS published/content, then it'll upset people. So you change it before the majority know about it.
>Do we actually know what exactly was changed?
The implication is that the Avatar probably won't help Soleil with her issue with women through the use of a drug without her knowing anymore at the very least. What exactly the support will entail is unknown, let alone if it will actually be any different.
You kidding right? please go search before saying something that stupid.
>A company making a decision to market their product to a wider audience is not censorship.
A niche game should never be forced to become mainstream though.History shows that everytime a developer brute forced a franchise to appeal to more people than it was originally designed to do, the franchise went shit.
>Resident Evil after code veronica
>Devil May Cry after 4
>Halo after 3
>Zelda during the WII era
I can go on but all the franchises i listed suffered from severe dumb down design because companies were trying to appeal to an audience the franchise was not designed to appeal.
Goes to show that people will literally defend anything if nintendo does is.
NISA censors games in localization, universal outrage.
Nintendo censors games for the states and people start claiming that censorship is good.
So, any art, or anything, cannot ever be changed at the discretion of the author for any reason whatsoever.
Basically, you are an incredibly stupid person and I am extremely fearfull you might have the right to vote in a few years.
>Tries talking about being intelligent
>Types and behaves and even thinks like she's 12
I really think these treehouse fucks work for dirt cheap and that's the only reason Nintendo hasn't gotten anyone better.
This is funny, censorship kiddies hate steaks. Good thing I win again.
Hello, I'm retarded. Which version of Fire Emblem: Fates is the better version? Please explain so that an idiot like me can understand.
isnt this the one where kamui makes a gay person not gay through an anti gay potion but then the potion wears off and the gay person says that they fell in love with his gay version but now love him even though hes a guy?
if so, who cares? shit support anyways. though ninten should remove the fucking touch game too while we're at it
and what is it when a creator decides themselves that something is objectionable and tastelesss?
Is a writer censoring himself when he decides he's gone too far with something?
They only thing adult is their diet.
>Leon's son will still be a tranny degenerate
>Zero and Shitja will still be faggots
>But you can't cure a girl's shyness around men
Nohr. It has more objectives (instead of being "kill everyone" to complete a stage, you have objectives like seize a point or defend a certain spot on the map, etc.) , and the map diversity is better,
No anon, i am guenuinely afraid that people as stupid as you breed and might eventually have a voice somehwere else than 4chan. Retards so stupid they think that someone is not entitled to do whatever he pleases with his work. Hilariously, the blatant stupidity you exhibit is closer to censorship. I know you won't catch the irony.
If they make changes before release it's gray. An argument can be made that they are being pressured to self censor, which is a very negative situation in itself. If they release it, then go and start cutting pieces out it is solidly censorship.
I wonder if these retards will be saying the same thing when they find out something they actually like is censored. The fucking waifufags will throw a fit if they remove fanservice or the incesty romances.
No, but she's got like 3 boyfriends. They're all okay with it too. She's also mentally a child still.
So, if you talk to her, make sure you're super nice and agree with every single thing she says, or else you'll be blocked in an instant.
They have the right to change it, but changing it out of fear of public outcry is censorship.
Why do you think companies go
>b-b-but it was for story reasons!
>it didn't make sense!
It's called a lie. It's to make it seem like it wasn't censorship by making it something the artist took. It's censorship purely because it's been happening for 40 years in video games, but now with social media, it's easier to see when it's bullshit media terms.
So, more logical fallacies. Cool. Didn't think you had an argument to begin with. Here is your (You), shitposter-kun =3
Then it's self censorship you fucking dumbass.
It's pretty black and white.
>using this as an example
>lucas turning han solo from an outlaw shoot first ask questions later guy into a cuck
>when it was the most clear cut case of self censorship you could possibly find
Spot the butthurt SJW
Do you like being able to grind and play the game at your own pace, and had no issues with Awakening? Then Hoshido.
Do you want a very challenging SRPG experience which you can't play as comfortably at your own pace, let alone grind? Then Nohr.
That was over a decade later. Hundreds of movies have had changes between their initial and final releases, including a number of Disney classics. And I'm not talking about the digitally destructed versions on blu-ray currently.
>Yfw they remove Foleo and give Leon a daughter instead
>Then it's self censorship you fucking dumbass.
>It's pretty black and white.
so a creator should only publish the raw, immediate work that comes from their mind. Editing, revision, all that, that's fucking censorship.
When the lesbian spacerocks got censored out of steven universe for the UK broadcast they went up in arms over calling it censorship. These same people who disregarded all NOA censorship as just localization. They wrote angry articles about this vile censorship on the same sites they posted defending this "localization"
>They have the right to change it
Ding dign dign, bravo ! Your 2 brain cells somehow collided into the void. I'll save myself the retarded dribble that probably follow. I'm glad you agree that an artist or whatever has the absolute control of his work, and that implying antyhing else is the domain of a mentally challenged troglodyte.
If you want the best gameplay in the series that's actually challenging without being straight up unfair and don't mind it simultaneously having the worst plot in the series with an anti-climatic boss, pick Nohr.
If you want a somewhat better story and want gameplay similar to Awakening, go with Hoshido.
Neutral route is meh all around except in gameplay, where it's pretty good. The story is campy as shit, so whether or not that's a good thing is up to you.
The OST is a must-listen.
Play FE4 if none of these appeal to you. It's peak Fire Emblem.
I hate how censorship has become such a meme on this board that there seems to people on this board that are genuinely against private company being able to make private decisions on changing their products to adapt to consumer trends.
inb4 the obvious "I know better than a multi billion dollar company on what its consumer base wants because I'm one of the consumers and because I want X that would mean the millions of other consumers they have would want X"
inb4 the other obvious "but these people complaining don't even play the games" with literally zero proof of the statement being true.
This is the controversial conversation in question that is getting changed in the western release.
Give it a read.
>it could accidentally hurt adolescent children's minds regarding topics like what being gay is
No it can't. Nothing could. The whole thing about sexuality when you're an adolescent is that you can't understand anything about what's going on with yourself. This entire thing is for people who have already discovered their own sexuality censoring shit, whether they use children as an excuse or not.
You are arguing something very different here.
You are comparing unfinished drafts with post release alteration.
You are literally trying to redefine censorship as "any change whatsoever at any point" and in doing so invalidate it by making it too vague and all encompassing
This is grossly dishonest of you.
>needing a potion to cure lesbianism
>not doing by the sheer power of your cock
Shaking my head to be honest, fampais.
>you were stupid enough to update your 3shitty
>The whole thing about sexuality when you're an adolescent is that you can't understand anything about what's going on with yourself.
factually incorrect. children question their sexuality because of socialization and because of social pressures telling them that everything outside of the norm is "wrong". We shouldn't make that worse for them with shit like this.
yeah this one is more reasonable, though. you can't "cure" dead people
i get that it's "just a game" and that they "can do whatever they want," but you all have to realize that some people will be uncomfortable with a message like this, and it could accidentally hurt adolescent children's minds regarding topics like what death is
nintendo is still a bunch of fags though
You're considered a manchild if you play any video games at all, Nintendo or not.
It's time to get a different hobby if you actually think using manchild unironically is a good idea.
>a consumer base has changing tastes
>consumer base uses their freedom of expression to express their changing tastes to the company
>company listens to consumer base and changes product according to new consumer base tastes
>this is censorship
Do you people unironically hate democracy and the free market or something? You all sound like communists.
I don't get it, it's a prototypical example VN hackery, which is what IS wants FE to become. How is it supposed to make the transition to Waifu VN Simulator if stuff that's on the mild end of the spectrum like this gets censored? Treehouse is shooting IS/Nintendo in the foot by censoring this, when the next game comes out and the writing is even more VN-like, they're going to have to completely rewrite, redraw, and reprogram the entire game. Well at least it will keep them employed.
Want to get over censorship in most games? Learn Japanese. Of course, you will still have to wait for uncensor-patches for Eroges.
Get a text-hooker and something you want to read, it's the quickest way to learn a language, It was how I've learned english.
Even trough this garbage language only made it easier for me to shitpost.
Why the fuck would they? They're just a small group of Japanese developers, I doubt many of them even know English well. NOA is likely handling it without much oversight from Japan, and if they consulted anyone it would be Nintendo, not IS. Not the developers at Nintendo, either
Look, just be honest here, you thought Nintendo developed the game and that Nintendo and NOA were one united entity.
Will this really have an impact on sales? While Nintendo of NA is shit, I feel there is no way they can pull a retarded enough move that would actually heavily impact sales of FE fates. you know besides not marketing the god dam thing.
so, you'd all agree then that the changes to Street Fighter V and #FE regarding the sexualized outfits are fine, then?
creators have the right to modify their work at any point, for any reason. That's my stance. The only thing we should judge are the status of the final product, and whether the original is erased for any reason
You can still buy the original version of Fire Emblem if and play it in its original media. You can't purchase the original Star Wars versions (in a quality that's close to decent).
>Thinking SJWs constitute the gaming consumer base majority now
They don't, they never have. There aren't even enough of them that buy games to support the games made directly to pander to them.
The fan translation? If it was finished, I might actually play it, but as it is now, I'm not really sure I want to. I can't even find the translation-patched cia file if I wanted to play it.
Fixed that for you, buddy.
No, kids "question their sexuality' because they have no fucking clue what sexuality even is
>social pressures telling them that everything outside of the norm is "wrong"
You mean like translators completely changing or removing a scene about someone's sexuality because they happen to disagree with it? Yes I agree, forcing your on sexuality and beliefs on someone else is detrimental; you just need to realize that censorship is still a form of forcing your opinions on other people. Is this really so hard to understand?
This is the single most weeb thing I have ever read on this site. And I've been to /jp/.
>bringing shame on your family and their ancestors
Prouderu Rand of Za Rising Sunu, amIright??? Nobody, and I mean NO BODY in an urban area in modern day Japan, especially not someone playing an anime-styled RPG vidya, NOT LEAST someone DESIGNING an anime-styled RPG vidya, holds those kind of pre-Heisei values. Sure, gay parades aren't anywhere near as big or popular as they are in the West, and you don't get obnoxious fucks walking around in rainbow colors, but gay pride does exist, it does maifest in events held across Tokyo, amd the message from the mass media, whether that be through popular news, game shows, the opinions of celebrities, and most prominently, ANIME and VIDYA is that being homo is okay and should be accepted into society. Japan hasn't been grorious puru empurira for many decades now, and although more subdued, it's just as liberal and pro LGB as any of the big Western countries.
Some of you just aren't getting this censorship thing so let me postulate a hypothetical for you.
Imagine if you would that your are commissioned to draw a picture. In that picture you include many pictures of penises because that is what your creative mind wanted. Now imagine you are told the picture would be in an art gallery specifically for men without penises. It seems pretty insensitive to not censor it, does it not?
It's going to have a mild impact in sales, nothing more. The SJWs that are hailing the censorship as progressive won't buy the game, and the few people pissed off at NoA won't buy the game either, but the majority of lost sales will be from splitting the game up into 2 versions AND making a 3rd, definitive version that costs 1.5x more. And that's not even including special editions and shit. That's where the majority of lost sales will be from.
He does. For a reason such as "I thought this would be better instead". However, this is literally "I've removed it because if I did not, there would be problems from vocal minorities".
Don't you get the difference, friend? Otherwise, by your very definition, nothing is censorship. Because you could justify it by going "Well, the artist changed it! I mean, the government broke his legs and said his family would be next, but he was TOTALLY HIS CHOICE SO IT ISN'T CENSORSHIP LOL!"
Another (You), my, you are a greedy boy, aren't you shitposter-kun =3
What are some changes that can be done to improve Fire Emblem as a series?
I always thought having more magic that inflicts status conditions (sleep, paralysis, poison, mute, etc.) might help with the strategy aspect but they've always been ridiculously rare items you might find 1 of per play through, 2 if you're lucky.
>tumblr degenerates are the new western fanbase
Sad, but true, Awakening killed FE forever.
>Will this really have an impact on sales?
It'll prevent bad word of mouth from a much larger group that wanted this scene to be changed when compared to your typical /v/ censor fag who likely won't buy the game anyway because you can't tell if they're even FE fans or not.
SE and that 3DS bundle have already sold out anyway, so it's not like people don't want the game.
I'll let you in on a secret : it's easy to shitpost by saying censorship. They can simply say soemthing is censorship, and when proven wrong they'll just say whoever proved they were retards are censorship lovers.
Do you guys just view everything as a zero-sum game between yourselves and "SJWs?" Is that why you're defending terrible writing like it's anuddah shoah?
SFV was admittedly changed to avoid backlash (Atmosphere the promotes self censorship via fear) and FE is a finished product. It's already out in japan, they are actually removing scenes from a finished product, also to avoid backlash promoted by the same atmosphere that pushed capcom to do so.
Your comparisons are either uninformed or dishonest, continually.
Terrible analogy. The product is being censored to appease a small minority. like 1-2% of the population. Not the ''whole art gallery."
So you can fuck right off with your censorship apologies.
Stopped reading there.
Actually, that analogy does not work.
You are an artist working for a company. They want you to create a picture and within the picture you include lots of dicks. The home company of this nation likes dicks, so there is no problem. Now the company wants to expand and sell its market overseas. People in this market generally dislike dicks, so the dicks are removed from the image, and replaced with something the general population of that nation does like.
>le vaping is obnoxious meme
Clouders are bad, vaping is neutral. Nothing wrong with someone wanting to stop smoking by switching to a vape, but vape 'hobbiest' who blow literal clouds of bullshit need to be purged.
When did I deny anything? You. Are. A. Manchild. That's all there is to it. You play video games, right? Then there you go. Get a different hobby if being considered a manchild by others hurts your feelings. :^)
She is definitely a lesbian, or written to be lesbian-bait. The problem being that Japan tends to view homosexuals as being a fad, one that you grow out of once you marry that nice office worker / secretary. So from that perspective her character makes sense.
But from any other perspective it's completely retarded. She's clearly attracted to women, the MC especially if you play as one, but she can only marry men.
The majority of people who care about this are not Fire Emblem fans to begin with. Her entire character was SHIT she has the worst gimmick in the game. It's not even offensive or anything it's just hilariously one dimensional. I hope they rewrite the entire character t-b-h
But anon, i LOVE whyen a baddie like you pretend to know better than the artist. As you say, i'm sure Reggie showed up to Japan with a half-brick in a sock and screamed loudly till they changed the text.
Or, maybe, just maybe in the marvelous world of real life, some dude heard people disliked these supports and they decided to make them better for NA.
I know your little, feverish brain has trouble grasping that people might want to change, or improve stuff, but i can confirm it happens in real life. When i'm writing a lab report, my boss doesn't call me a censorship apologist and other retarded monikers when i change a drawing or switch lines around.
Again, i know the chance that you read this and understand it is minimal, but it,s part of my job to try and the mentally disadvantaged.
Everyone that's replied to this, and you, are completely wrong.
Of course I'd wanna see penises if I didn't have one. I have one and they fascinate me, it would be 100x times worse if I didn't have one. This is objectively, unequivocally. terrible bait.
The 'majority' of FE fans were outnumbered 10:1 by people that wanted a waifu simulator with mild gameplay elements. The majority of FE fans nowadays want the option to romance any character they damn well choose. So, her dialogue needs to reflect this. Why are you so mad about IS catering to fans' wants?
>FE Started as a serious strategy-RPG with impressive 2D spritework in which main elements were permadeath and the construction of strong units and empires, with relationships taking part for the sake of immersion
>does not sell well
>rebooted into waifushit and shit story/relations with painfuly one-dimensional characters, with horrible 3D artwork and generic anime CGs, with permadeath being optional and highly casualized gameplay systems
>now panders to homossexuals and censorship idealists
What's next? Place your bets, I will screencap this shit and keep it for posteriority.
>I know better than the multi billion dollar, largest video game company in the world because I do
>comparing a product produced solely to make profit to anything made for creativity.
Any sensible company is going to look for the largest potential market they can anon, this is basic common sense. I'm sure your hyperbolic bullshit can make you feel good fighting for the cause though because you can pretend it's equivalent to government mandated book burning!
Gayness is a fad.
>She's a lesbian hurhdur
So were Severa, Noire and Kjelle before they learned of the dick.
The nintendo treehouse manager is an SJW that believes that people should be held accountable for the actions of people who died centuries before them.
She's a total loon.
If you are a man, you can be held personally accountable for what other men have done at any point in history. If you are white, you are personally accountable for slavery.
She's crazy, and she's in charge. Enjoy that shit.
Not like she isn't spouting off on Twitter how your opinion on videogames is invalid unless you're educated in intersectional bullshit or anything. Oh wait, that's exactly what she's doing.
But Fire Emblem is currently being developed by a bunch of young otaku losers living in the biggest urban center in the country. Literally everything about the devs says that they wouldn't look down upon homosexuality.
>So if I understand right, you drug Soliel into liking you, because she now sees you as a girl, and now is willing to marry you for your looks because she's a lesbo
No "drugging". Kamui wants to help Female Inigo get over her problem of fainting when she interacts with a female members of the party. Kamui decides to add magic power in her drink so that she see's men as women and starts to practice talking with Kamui to gain confidence to help her problem with women. The process doesn't work out in the end but Soliel appreciates Kamui's help and Kamui proposes to Soliel, with Soliel saying yes because she fell in love with
him through the process. Soliel never once gets mad at Kamui for using magic powder, because she herself decides to keep using it even when she finds out that her drink was spiked. And Soliel isn't a lesbian, she just wants to be like her father who is a womanizer
mfw when Americans censor something for no rhyme or reason:
There's exactly one gay romance for each sex, and still multiple straight romances in. If that's "pandering" to you, then you're much more of a thin-skinned crybaby than SJWs.
>Doesn't sell well
Fuck off. That formula worked fine for literal decades and now since the last 2 shitty games have gimmicky anime waifushit you act like it's been going on forever.
I for one love this SJW Renaissance. I can rape any woman I want, and I'm not accountable in any way, because society never taught me to not rape! It's never my fault and anyone that implies otherwise is a bigot that needs to learn it's CURRENT YEAR and stop being so problematic.
This is the same shit what happened to Kanji in Persona 4, you all prance that he is gay but in reality he was confused and turns out he wasn't gay. You're the reason why we can't have character development that tangles their way when it touches homosexuality because you all cry that is problematic, imagine if xenogears was released nowadays, what about pokemon? we didn't see kids suddenly going on the streets to start their adventure, maybe is not the adolescent but millenials who always find their way to be offended
This fix-up makes sense since it's fucking stupid despite Ninty being more blatant with their censoring of sexual stuff recently, but why is shit like this even considered news? I want to see proper FE news, not this crap. Where's a Nintendo Direct? Or some trailers? Until then, I'll be hyped for next week's meeting.
>you drug Soliel into liking you, because she now sees you as a girl, and now is willing to marry you for your looks because she's a lesbo
Not even. They mention multiple times that the drug had little to do with the descision. She knew he was a guy the whole time, and the drug isn't used anymore once they're married
>People ITT would call Krafts changing the chocolate in Cadbury creme eggs from Cadbury to normal chocolate as censorship
>People ITT would call a milk farm changing one of their cheese to use goats milk instead of cow milk as censorship
>People ITT would call a car manufacturer changing one of their models from diesel to electric as censorship
>People ITT would call a person listening to constructive criticism and reflecting on it as censorship
This censorship is a pretty ebin meme guys.
>Decribes how Corrin drugs her drink
"I knew that's...how it would be... But still... I.."
>mfw he knew how his series would end
Who could have divined the prophetic import of something as unremarkable as a normal soldier death quote.
Agreed. I've stopped caring about Fire Emblem ever since My Unit became a thing. It seems I made the right choice.
>However I could see it not being localized in the future due to various circumstances.
That will probably happen. Just look at all the people in this thread alone saying they're going to pirate it.
>food is art
now if Kraft censored the shape of the creme eggs to perfectly spherical balls because it offended some SJW who thought they were metaphorically tits or some other retarded argument, THAT would be self-censorship. If you concentrate real hard, perhaps you can get those two, lonesome neurons in your skull to synapse. Alternatively, learn what a dictionary is.
>but you all have to realize that some people will be uncomfortable with a message like this
That's the stupidest fucking argument you could have used. It's like saying that you shouldn't show rape, murder or anything for that matter because it might make people feel uncomfortable.
The best thing you could do, is to make it look like a bad thing or rewrite the dialogue to make her bi/bi-curious because reasons, not remove it because it's "problematic".
How is it a first draft it was already released in Japan?
You're the only one who keeps making posts along these lines, right? I have a hard time believing anyone else is this much of a dumbass.
>you were born just in time to see FE become sjw and homosexual propaganda with a FE7 mod self-insert mary sue protagonist.