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http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/16/10780876/microsoft-windows-support-policy-new-processors-skylake

Have you upgraded yet /v/?
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>>324452972
What, you want me to believe Linux distros devs are now on suicide watch or something? You know, I'm convinced that Unity, Unreal Engine, etc will drop their cross platform support for this shit as well.
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>>324453086
Could you not?
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>>324453086
because they dont do anything to make video games better?
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>>324452972
Stop lying /g/, 90% of the shit you talked about w10 was 100% lies and linkux shilling.
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>>324452972
>that one kid that hasnt upgraded to #basedWindows10
get with the times grampa, the NSA isn't spying on you...
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I love windows 10 and use it on all five of home devices.
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>>324452972
Could the Windows monopoly kill PC gaming? I know it's possible but is it likely to happen? More than anything I want a different OS to play games on that Devs will actually develop for.
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>>324453487
this is true though...

its not all because of microsoft though.

intel doesn't want to make drivers for "old" operating systems, so microsoft cant certify something that isnt there... thus no support.
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>>324453086
Yeah, go out and buy one right now, anon. Slap it in that rig of yours and tell us about the experience.

>>324453136
>Loonix
Nothing of value was lost.
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>>324452972
Not going to upgrade still the end microshill and if by that time I'll need W10, I'll make sure to use an offline pirated version.
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>>324453487
The security policies are not lies
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>>324452972
Isn't this just talking about enterprise support? who cares if you can't play Far Cry 6 at work?
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>>324453609
You make it sound as if there's anything more to PC gaming other than selling CPUs, GPUs, and ancient console ports.

Plus MS/Windows has controlled the PC gaming market for quite some time. Once the Xbox came out, they dropped it like a hot potato.
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>>324453136
Windows users are just acting like they're the only thing that exists as usual. This is just the fact that Windows 7 is a legacy platform past its mainstream support date catching up to the Windows-only crowd. All new hardware will still be supported on Linux.

The recommended way to run Windows now is as the guest in a virtual machine hosted on Linux now anyway. Its the only solution that allows you to guarantee that there is no data leakage.
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>>324453794
>offline pirated version.

it'll just be part of some hackers botnet instead of the NSA's

though the hacker group is probably more trustworthy
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>>324453487
>/g/
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>>324453086
Its because of guys like you that MS can pull shit like this
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>>324454025
I bet the parallel version of me is so mad at you, anon.
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>>324454002
At least they dont arrest you.
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>>324452972

guess im switching back to amd
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was looking to upgrade to skylake, new a new case to go with this, anything I should change?
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>>324453609
Kill? No, Linux is now turning into a nice gaming platform. They could however rob us of years of progress in the PC gaming space. Microsoft is a console company first when it comes to gaming. Never forget that.

As it is now if you want to keep using a desktop version of Windows you're stuck not just with outdated APIs but also with obsolete hardware. Long term that means that we're heading into a rough transition period where learning to use compatibility layers or virtual machines will be essentially required for PC gaming.

The upside to all this? Linux is a niche platform and Microsoft's attempts to kill PC gaming will bring it out of the mainstream and we'll return to a golden age of only enthusiasts playing PC games.
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>>324454392
>Linux
>gaming
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>>324452972
>Microsoft forcing people to upgrade to a botnet OS

Nope. Not upgrading to that botnet mess of an OS which is Windows 10. I'm sticking with 7 until they remove the botnet bullshit from 10.
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I upgraded from 7 to 10 just recently. The features, UI and speed is well worth the jump. I used a tool to turn off all of the invasive shit. Anyways, I can't go back to old ass OS after this. It's just way too good.
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>>324454392
>Linux is turning into a nice gaming platform.
The stink of /g/ is all over this post.
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>>324454681
Nice try m$
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>>324454595
>Linux for gaming
>AMD with drivers

We're heading into a brave new world.
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>forcing you to use terrible shit in the name of progress

I think this might fail.

Actually, why is there no serious commercial competition to windows? Someone who isn't a faggot would only need to design a basically similar operating system and not pull gay shit like this all the time and they could clean up.
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>>324454667
Or until they remove support from 7. Then you are forced to upgrade
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>>324455407
>Or until they remove support from 7

NEVER!!! MS can take W7 from my corpse.
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All this means is Microsoft won't officially support those CPUs. It doesn't mean the CPU companies themselves can't provide support or that other OSes are locked out of using those CPUs. If that were the case Microsoft would get shit on by antitrust lawsuits again.

>>324455407
Nobody is forced to upgrade just because Microsoft doesn't officially support an OS, it just means they won't put out official bug fixes for it anymore.
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>>324452972

So let's get this straight.

This is news published today on only one website, and products have been sold for 6 months. Is that to imply that nothing was sold and everything was returned within the first months or that there are more negative consumer reviews than positive for such products?

Nobody ever mentions that Intel actually does their own CPU driver updates, and not Microsoft? The fact if a product that relied on microsoft operation systems would just make Intel and Microsoft loose instant billions.

This is why I don't read blogs son.
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>>324452972
im still on 7, yet my comp keeps reminding me to upgrade to 10 because 110 million others have, why haven't i yet?
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>>324454283
>>>/g/52498526
Apparently AMD is doing the same thing

I fucking called this, though. I fucking knew that if MS didn't get the upgrade numbers they wanted through the ads and shit, they'd just shrug, say 'Fuck it' and force us to.

I'm still on a 3570K Ivy Bridge and it's running fine.

Literally the only thing stopping me from going full Linux is the game support. If it had that, I'd be over in a fucking heartbeat.
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>>324455591
Four short years remain.
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>>324455407
No, you just stop getting security updates, the software keeps working.
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>>324455664
You tell us, why haven't you yet?
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>>324454375
>$490 for an i5
Yeah, get a Broadwell instead. That price is bullshit.
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>>324455793
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Already am.
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Who here is even going to buy Skylake early, if at all?

If you buy a chip right now, are you going to install Windows XP?

Most Skylake early adopters are already running Windows 10.1 - everyone else will be asking if they "should buy Skylake now or wait for the new ones coming out" years from now. At that point, they will all be using Windows 10 too.
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>>324455685
Its not AMD doing it. Microsoft has decided that since 7 is in its security fixes only phase of support that means no new CPU hardware features. This shouldn't really be surprising though, Windows 7 has CPU performance bugs with AMD's bulldozer hardware that have never been properly addressed, there was no way they were going to add support for Zen.

CPUs are more fundamental to the system. AMD can't fix this on their own without Microsoft's cooperation, but their only interest is making people buy Surface tablets.
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I like this virtual machine thing that one anon was speaking of. Microsoft finally pushed me over the edge this year. I don't want to use it anymore. And since the gaming industry sorta sucks right now. I don't think I'll be giving much up. (if it turns out that I have a limited selection). Has anyone else here recently switched?
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>>324455924
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>>324455793
Is that a problem with Edge or your GPU driver?
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>>324452972
For those of you who are gonna upgrade dont get the new apps and features stay with the default shit you got when asked, I rushed through the installation last year and it fucked me up, I've unistalled them tho
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>>324455793
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I'll upgrade when the Gears PC remaster finally comes out.
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>>324455793
wow...........................................................................................
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>>324455924
>iObit uninstaller
Enjoy your malware.
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>>324456129

>upgrading to Windows 10 for old console scraps
>literally c'ucking yourself when MS will c'uck you again and keep all the other Gears Xbox exclusive

good goy
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>upgrade to win10
>all my old pc ports now unplayable
fuck win10
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>>324455407
Like how XP stopped working completely because microsoft removed support for that. Nobody anywhere at all uses XP ever, this is fact.
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>>324453957
>The recommended way to run Windows now is as the guest in a virtual machine hosted on Linux now anyway. Its the only solution that allows you to guarantee that there is no data leakage.
That sounds unbelievable awful to live with and impossible to do anything substantial with.
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>>324452972
>install windows 10
>turn off monitoring
>get dx12
i dont see the problem here?
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>>324454681
I too recently switched to Windows 10. The fast and familiar interface coupled with that boost in performance meant I just couldn't say no! It's even designed to work with the hardware and software I already own. Recent, brilliant innovations like Cortana and Microsoft Edge complete this amazing package.

The most astonishing part is it was all FREE! I couldn't believe it!

I take each step into the future confident that Microsoft has my back. I can't wait to see all the great things I can do With Windows 10!
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>>324456706
My first thought as well, but it's been 10 years since I last used a virtual machine.
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>>324455664
You can uninstall optional update KB3035583 to get rid of that.
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Personally, I love the fact that we have a direct line to MS servers we can shitpost in. Someone is bound to read this shit.
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>>324456706
Have you used virtualization software recently? Unless you have a shitty Intel system that doesn't support the features required there's basically 0 performance penalties. Only limitation is you have to pass through your graphics card but you can run multiple guest OSes in that virtual machine so basically you have your gaming stuff isolated and you don't have to reboot.
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How bad is 8.1?
I got it with this new PC, it was a gift so I didn't choose anything on it.
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>>324456275
Jokes on you, i'm doing it for Halo Wars 2 as well.

Gears holds some of the fondest memories of my adolescence. I know it won't be the same as it was back then, but I have to try.
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I don't think bunch of dirty indians working for Microsoft service department will really care.
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>>324457217
Might as well switch to 10, senpai.
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Why would anyone ever want something past win 7?
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>>324457114
>there's basically 0 performance penalties

I'll believe this when I see it.
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>>324457305
To play Xbox One games on my laptop while my gf is using the TV

I also mostly updated out of curiosity.
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>>324457270
So they're both botnet or whatever
I find it hard to believe they're as bad as each other
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>>324456727

How 2 turn off monitoring?
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>>324452972
nope. ill switch to AMD from now on
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>>324453957
Well, you're half right, but you should be running Linux in the virtual machine and using PuTTY to get in, not the other way around. This way you get the versatility of the Linux platform together with the stability and advanced power management features of a professional OS like Windows 10. Alternatively, you could buy a MBP. :^)
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>>324457217
Its better than 7 for sure, but when it comes to Windows 10 you cant really compare them because you have 50/50 chance of getting a working OS when you install Windows 10.
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>>324457114
Sold me on it, thanks for the knowledge anon.
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>>324454375
>$489 for an i5-6600
Where do you live?
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>>324457529
This is on Microsoft's side, not the hardware manufacturer's, you know that right?
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>>324457460
If you're worried about the tracking, you can turn it off with a simple program. 8.1 is garbage compared to 10.
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>>324457114
Is it worth running a Linux distro - I'm thinking the latest version of Mint - and run a virtual Windows 7 to play my games?

Only hassle is I'm pretty sure neither my laptop CPU or my old 3570K is great for virtualisation. Thoughts?
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>>324457559
Allowing Windows direct hardware access means that you have no control over what it does with that hardware. You really don't want Windows 10 having access to the outside world without oversight.
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>>324457114
>there's basically 0 performance penalties.
That's almost impossible considering you're emulating an entire system on top of another system.
>Only limitation is you have to pass through your graphics card but you can run multiple guest OSes in that virtual machine so basically you have your gaming stuff isolated and you don't have to reboot.
Yeah that doesn't sound fiddly, dodgy or annoying at all
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>>324457796

What program?
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>>324455861
>>324457718
it's for the bundle with the ram and mobo
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>People willing use Windows 10
For what purpose
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>>324452972
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>>324455664
110 million flies love to eat shit! they can't all be wrong!!
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>>324457984
Spybot Anti-Beacon.
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>>324457826
You'll probably need a new system. I'm planning to build a Zen/Fury system later this year, though by that point we may have an equivalent to Gallium Nine for DX11 software and/or a lot more native Linux games which might make running a virtual environment overkill.

For Windows users who don't know, Gallium Nine is a thing for running old DX9 software better on Linux than on modern Windows.
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>>324457472
right there in the settings. go to settings > privacy and disable what you want. Also check the general tab for the rest of them.
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>>324457984
/g/ recommends ShutUp10 and/or Spybot Anti-Beacon.
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>>324457734
>For current PC owners, the detail to note is that Intel's current, sixth generation processors, known as Skylake, are the first that won't support either of the older versions of Windows. (Intel and Microsoft say that the platform and Windows 10 were designed for each other.) Microsoft is phasing in the policy now.

then what does this mean then?
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>>324454392
>The upside to all this?
>Microsoft's attempts to kill PC gaming will bring it out of the mainstream and we'll
>return to a golden age of only enthusiasts playing PC games

As if some of you faggots aren't cancerous to hell and back already.
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>CPUs will now have OS DRM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO ONE IS MENTIONING THIS, THEY ARE SIDE TRACKED ABOUT WINDOWS 10 BEING BAD MEME.

CPUS NOW REQUIRE AND WILL ONLY ACCEPT CERTAIN OPERATING SYSTEM, THIS IS THE ENDDDDD MY ONLY FRIEND THE ENDDDDD
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>>324455792
i just haven't
plus my hardware is like 6 years ago
im no joke running a GTX 460 SE still

i just haven't bothered to upgrade my shit yet
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>>324458174
/g/ also recommends you not use Windows10
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>>324455793
>recording has started

Why would they make this visible in the recording itself?
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>>324458219
No you dipshit. All it means is future CPU will only support Windows 10 if you are planning to install a Windows OS.
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>>324458219
Can you name one current GPUs that are supported on DOS?
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Nah not just yet I'm going to stretch out my Windows 7 until right close to the "free" expires at least then maybe 10 will be a full OS.. or at least patched a bit.
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How's gaming performance on a VM in Linux if your CPU supports PCI passthrough?
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>>324458242
Only the shitposters who can't into technology, anon.
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>>324458174
>>324458126
>>324458134


My deepest thanks, fellow anons.
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>>324458058
>2045
>windows 10 has 99% market share, gets updated over and over again instead of making windows 11
>windows7 users are living in the underground sewers, needing to use relays and hacks to mask their operating system as a windows10 machine on the internet or else the government tracks them down
>there's an entire hidden city somewhere under the ground like in matrix where windows7 users gather to work out new fixes making new programs run under win7 with 20 year old hardware
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>>324457954
> emulating an entire system
No you're not. You're virtualizing it, not emulating. You aren't having to emulate an x86 cpu, you're already running it on one, and with GPU passthrough you have full speed graphics card access.

Its a lot less annoying than having an OS that you have no ability to upgrade the hardware on.
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>>324458308
You can disable it in ShadowPlay.
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>>324452972
Will my Satellite LX835-D3304 need it?
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>>324458493
>No you're not. You're virtualizing it, not emulating.
Time for me to do some research then.
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>>324458465
Only shills recommend windows 10.
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>>324458058
well shit....
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>>324458476
Problem is you can't "really" turn it off, those options are just placebo
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>>324458441
All of them. FreeDOS as far as I'm aware uses VESA mode. Though for DOS gaming you'll do better with a Linux supported graphics card like the R9 390 running DOSbox.
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>>324458219
NOW THIS IS SHITPOSTING
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>Haven't done serious gaming on PC since Battlefield 2142 was relevant.
>Friends offline and the internet make me feel awful gaming in 2014 on consoles.
>Get [email protected] meme spit at me constantly.
>Get the "hahah no mods" meme spit at me constantly.
>PClard friends hound me for months to upgrade my old rig and stop playing console games like a pleb.
>Cave to the internet and friends, buy a good PC for 2015.
>Windows 10 for DX12 and performance boosts.
>PC gaming is nothing but console ports, greenlight, and indies.
>Friends only want to play CS:GO and DOTA 2 shit.
>Slightly upset owner of a $1600 indie game machine.
>People saying 2015 was this console cycle's best year for gaming since they came out.
>mfw I can't go back to being happily ignorant on consoles because I got addicted to memes visuals and resolutions on buggy ports.

PC discussion threads kind of depress me.
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Think I can get this for free in, say, a parallel universe?
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>>324458792
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>>324452972
Wow, Microsoft is really going all out to force W10 on people.
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>>324457796
>Spybot Anti-Beacon.
Downloaded
Why is 8.1 bad?
I know nothing of /g/

Why is 7 a superior OS
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>>324458792
>settings not turned off in group policy

Anon, W10 is being used in corporate shit where shit like this doesn't fly. This is an old gif. Use the aforementioned software listed above then make a new gif.
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>>324458493
What virtualization software do you use?
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>>324458973
i dont get it
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>>324458792
Except you can, record the same thing after you use spybot anti-beacon and see what happens, stop posting trash from ages ago that were made by a /g/ lincuck user.

Also the retard that made that probably didn't opt-out of everything when installing the OS, he went with express settings.

>inb4 le shill
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>>324459008
Go look at >>324458973
It doesn't matter where you "turn them off." They aren't really off. Welcome to closed source software.
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i'm gonna upgrade to skylake and a second 980 ti in the summer sometime probably. if kaby lake is out by then i might do that too. my 3770k is still more than fine right now.
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>>324452972
Fuck no. Never.

I am going to pray for a miracle and hope that SteamOS shapes up a lot fucking better than it is and people take to it.

I don't play on PC much anymore. I prefer handhelds or WiiU with friends.
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>>324459182
>what is a handshake

The problem with all of this is that it showed how incompetent /g/ really is.
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>>324459109
If you dont get it. Use windows 10. It is perfect for idiots like you.
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>>324459272
>Wii-U with friends.
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>>324459313
>No handshakes
>Still handshakes
WOW
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>>324459241
you may as well just get an unlocked skylake by then anyways, it'll be cheaper than a kaby lake for sure
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>>324459075
I typically use Gnome Boxes, but I'm not using it for gaming right now. I believe its simply a frontend for Qemu.
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>>324459272
you mean linux, dumbass?
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>>324458441
have you ever used recovery or ghost?
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>>324452972
No, and I don't ever plan to. Fuck off, Microshill.
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You better not need Windows 10 to use Steam VR.
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>>324459313
It happened as soon as he typed in the search box. That's no handshake
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>>324456979
epic xD
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>>324459493
SteamOS is a GNU/Linux distribution, if he prefers a console style experience SteamOS is likely a good option for him.
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>>324459460
yeah realistically there won't be any major noticeable upgrades until 10nm comes out whenever it does. i probably will just end up getting a 6700k when i upgrade to be fair
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It's like that one part of Deus Ex HR where they try to get everyone to upgrade their augs but it's a trap.
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>there are people who STILL havent upgraded yet

LOL
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>>324459504
>He thinks that's DOS

Lol wut.

DOS hasn't been included in Windows since WinME or so
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>>324459471
And what's your favorite Linux distro?
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>>324459493
No

Linux is a system kernel.

SteamOS is Operating System Distribution comprised mainly of GNU software.
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>>324459721
i thought it was more akin to the ending of fallout 4 where the villain is your son and you either have to kill him or nuke boston
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>>324456014
>taskbar on top
same.
anybody know how to set windows 10 theme to classic like this???
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>>324459602
You will.
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>>324455793
What am I looking at?

The latency in this webm looks like my own fucked up attempts at writing DirectX programs and not having draw calls in all the right places.
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>tfw i don't do anything illegal so i don't care about microsoft knowing what i jerk off to or what vidya i play
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>>324459846
No one really says why he wants to though. Why? Does he have a good reason?
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>>324452972
Yes, and then went back to 8.1 because 10 is bugged, unoptimized piece of shit.
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>>324460012
good goy
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>>324459602
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>>324459815
Excuse me, but what is commonly referred to as "SteamOS" is actually Linux plus SteamOS or as I like to call it, LinuxSteamOS.
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>>324452972
Of course not i pirate all my games desu
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>>324452972
Guaranteed EU anti-trust lawsuit.
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>>324460027
>unoptimized
This word is how you tell a PC gamer has no idea what he's talking about.
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>>324452972
How can Microsoft force this? All of their corporate customers have volume licenses with downgrade rights. Intel and AMD can still release drivers for Windows 7 if they wanted to. The only thing I can think of is driver signing.

Microsoft has seriously shaken up how driver signing works starting with Windows 10. The only way to sign any new driver in a way that Windows 10 will accept is to upload it to Microsoft over the web and have them cross-sign it along with your original signature. It used to be that as long as you had a certificate which came from a root CA that was cross-signed by Microsoft then you could sign it yourself and Windows would accept it as valid.

Now Windows 10 checks the time stamp on the driver and if the time stamp is earlier than July 29th, 20015 (the date Windows 10 was released) then Windows 10 will accept the old cross-signed root CA. If its after that date then only drivers that are directly signed my Microsoft are accepted as valid by the OS.

So how does this affect Windows 7? Windows 7 will accept certificates with either SHA1 or SHA2 (aka SHA256) for USER MODE signature check (aka .exe and .dll files.) For kernel mode drivers, Windows 7 will only accept SHA1 certificates. So all it takes is for Microsoft to stop providing SHA1 hashes via their driver signing website and then you instantly lock out any new kernel mode binary from being able to load on both Windows 7 and Windows 10. That doesn't prevent someone that still has an old SHA1 code signing certificate from using it to sign Windows 7 only drivers. But most of those certificates are expiring in the next year or two, if they haven't expired already. Intel/AMD/etc could probably release drivers for maybe 1 more silicon generation before their old certificates expire and they lose the ability to release Windows 7 drivers without submitting them to Microsoft for approval.

Basically Microsoft is using code signing to create planned obsolescence for Windows 7.
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>>324460116
Why is EU so based when it comes to consumer's right, but shits its pant at everything else?
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>>324459809
Anymore I just use Ubuntu Gnome because it has the interface that I like and the most compatibility with games. Plus with the Padoka PPA its fairly trivial to get an AMD driver that actually works.
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>>324460012
Wait til Trump bans pictures of Tony Kornheiser, then you'll be in trouble.
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>>324460116
I fucking hope so
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>>324460073
>ayy lmao
Seems legit.
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>>324460020
idk maybe its because hes your son or something
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>>324460251
Could MS use this to essentially make Windows a walled garden for drivers where no one can make any drivers without MS' permission? Or is this already basically what Win10 is like?
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>>324460093
You have no idea what you are talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy
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>>324460324
they can take my internet, they can censor my media, they can control my news, but they will never, NEVER take away my memes
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>>324460529
It's a parody of that, anon
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>yfw microsoft was just pranking us
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>>324460251
good thing there aren't any new video games worth playing

but
>rest of world will just take it in the ass as usual
>won't be able to open files in new versions of office, so goodbye to being able to view school assignments
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>>324460632
Kids just do their school shit on Android now.

How do they type on that shit? Fuck if I know
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>implying
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>>324460251
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>>324459787
good goy
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>>324460632
DUDE SEX MD
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>>324460554
>tfw your memes are popular on facebook, twitter and reddit. They get diluted and spit back here.
They did something entirely far worse to your memes. They told normies about them.
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>>324460308
>>324459471
thanks bro anon
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>>324460894
what
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>>324460624
ITS JUST A PRANK BRO
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>>324460713
More likely they're using a Chromebook which doesn't run Android/Linux but rather a locked down derivative of the Gentoo GNU/Linux distribution.
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>>324460765
>If today's surveillance level had existed in the 1950s and 60s, homosexuality would still be illegal and homosexual people would be criminals by birth.
Is this supposed to be an argument against surveillance?
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>>324461042
>Not knowing DUDE SEX
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>>324461095
Why would they buy that over say a Windows laptop where you aren't really locked down?
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>>324452972
It's not a problem really. They're not going to push this stuff forward until we start seeing consoles adapt this technology. They've kinda screwed the pooch throwing them up too early. So I get the feeling even middleground hardware will be able to handle most of the stuff coming out for at least another three years. At least processor-wise.

At that point Windows 10 should be in a usable state and upgrading will come with the territory.
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>PC is better than consoles they said
>PC has more freedom they said
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>>324452972
>the verge
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>Microsoft is totally gonna intentionally cockblock the 90% of users who are not on W10
>It's a plausible scenario guys

Fuck off /g/
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>>324461258
It's way cheaper and they don't need to do anything but browse the internet/write papers/fill in spreadsheets.
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>>324461142
>HURR FUCK THE FAGGOTS AM I RIGHT?

Every time.
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>>324452972
>Have you upgraded yet /v/?
Yes
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who cares when my 4690k will last me until the end of time?
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>>324457529
We still don't know shit about Zen aside from the fact it's not Bulldozer based, so it could very well end up being the same as Skylake/Cabylake regarding Win7/8 support not being a priority.
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>>324461326
>At that point Windows 10 should be in a usable state and upgrading will come with the territory.
And so will spyware
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I upgraded to windows 10. I'm not smart enough to use linux and get my games to run on it and so far I haven't had any problems with windows 10 anyway.
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>>324454392
> golden age

As if. More like the end times. Without thr normie crowd, PC gaming will fall back to the obscurity of 2005. It will be only shitty MMO's and MOBAs.

I don't like the Steam monopoly, but we need Gaben to step in and block Microsoft's fuckery. SteamOS has to succeed, it will be the gateway to Linux. I swear if Vulkan fails PC gaming's dead .
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>>324461430
Why are they so boring? Don't they want to use weird progs and play vidyaja games and shit?

>>324461602
Anon, that shit doesn't last forever.
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>>324461404

that's it, nuke the planet
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>>324461640
If you mean the telemetry stuff, go read the Windows 10 general on /g/, they detail how to block all that shit and offer a download to the Enterprise edition so you don't have automatic updates you can't disable.
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Please tell me this shit is Intel only, I wouldn't put it past those Jews.
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>>324461404
>three steps back for humankind
Ironically, they got this absolutely right, just not in the way they intended.
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>>324461770
>offer a download to the Enterprise edition
Uh you realize you can't afford that shit right?
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>>324461798
No. AMD is in on board as well.
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>>324461602
when 10nm finally comes out it's probably gonna be gains like we haven't seen generationally in years
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>MS will do anything to push Win10
>literally even installing DRM on CPUs
>EXCEPT for bringing over their heavy hitter Xbox games to PC, and not just ancient ass console ports

I don't fucking understand Microsoft. It's not like the Xbone is actually successful.
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>One good but outdated OS
>One fuckfest and failure of an OS
>One new and up-to-date OS
>Have to update/support old OS-es because people still use them even tho they made a new one

I mean, if I was the b0ss of Microsoft I'd do the same, throw everything away and focus on one project.
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>>324461713
You won't until MS starts deleting all your pirated shit remotely based on hashes, but by then it'll be too late.
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>>324461404
I literally thought this was satire until I looked up the article and read it. Even still it sounds like the author was forced to write it, and he decided to give it that ridiculous title to point out how retarded the story is.
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>>324461849
Why the fuck do you think I mean purchasing it?
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i dont see a problem windows 10 is actually quite good in terms of speed and features

>muh privacy

i am no pedo
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>>324461923
>b0ss

>>>/out/
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>>324461952
Well they haven't started since I upgraded last year. Plus I have backup drives so it doesn't matter.
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>>324461989
Because /g/ wouldn't be allowed to tell you how to pirate it
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>>324461724
>Without thr normie crowd, PC gaming will fall back to the obscurity of 2005.
You realize ~1995 to ~2005 was amazing for pc gaming, right?
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>>324462018
:^(
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>>324462016
Don't worry. The thought police will create a crime to suit you in the future anon. Don't turn away from the telescreen, I mean PC monitor.
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>>324461871
Fuck.
AMD fucking blew it.
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>>324462080
Enjoy panicking when they do it to try to find some way to escape their grasp and access your backup drives without Windows auto-deleting it all
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>>324462097
Read the fucking thread. Follow the links. The end.
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>>324462016
But /a/ needs their loli, anon
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Microsoft is a weird company.
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>>324462230
There actually is no Windows 10 general on /g/ right now.
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>>324462187
You realize neither AMD or Intel are pulling this shit, right? Microsoft is refusing to write the software to support the features present in their newest CPUs in older, still supported versions of windows.
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>>324452972
>upgrade

Why bother if I don't use it for games
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>>324462298
Mods cleared out the shills today.
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>>324462298
Use the archives. That's what they exist for.
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I have absolutely no reason to upgrade to W10, I don't need any of what it offers and I am in no way dissatisfied with W8 at all. It's what I'm used to and I just don't see a need to do anything about it. Why should I? Is there any real solid reason why I should?

>>324461914
>It's not like the Xbone is actually successful.
Do you think kids nowadays are going over to each others houses and playing hoop on a fucking stick? No, they play Xbox. It's about as common as a DVD player by now, hell it IS some people's DVD player.

Big barbarian bubble butt is unrelated
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>>324462196
Microsoft can't even get their xbox live shit to work properly, I don't see them being wizards at deleting my shit.
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>>324462289
They just cater to normies. Normies want to "keep up" with their Xbone community on Windows. No one else gives a fuck. You need to look at their decisions through a normie's eyes and they make more sense
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>>324462505
DX12. That is about it. But the problem is being forced to use Windows 10 in the future in future builds.
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>>324455218
We have. It's called OSX, and it's overpriced shit.

And the linux scene can't get over it's autism and necessity to make everything nitty gritty. You literally cannot escape the command line.

Windows outreaches it's hand to everyone. The competition does none of that. Also Windows has the most program compability and drivers. You literally cannot migrate your desktop experience without relying on shit like Wine. Every tutorial out there is geared for Windows. Every forum, every tip, every program for doing some stupid shit, Windows.

How can you compete in a market where all information is geared towards your competitor?
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>>324462517
It takes no effort at all to push an update that IDs hashes of a ton of pirated content and then slams on the delete cmd for all of it. I'm surprised they haven't done it yet.
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>>324462669
>I'm surprised they haven't done it yet.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-11/24/windows-10-update-removing-software
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>>324462669
>I'm surprised they haven't done it yet.
Either it's not as easy as it sounds, or microsoft are simply that incompetent.
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What do I need to setup a VM with GPU passthrough?
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>>324462505
>No, they play PS4.
ftfy
Xbone sells like shit.
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>>324462289
Who the hell asked for that?
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How long until MS starts sending out updates for 7 and 8 that just start installing 10 without your input?

I give them 3 months.
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this can't be true, if so this is the beginning of the end

microsoft practically owns computers if that's true, isn't there some kind of law against this shit
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>>324462768
They have removed software before.>>324462764 Just wait till Trump/Hillary passes some law that outlaws all illegal software that MS has to comply with and they wipe everything from your drives. Good luck. We 1984 now.
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>>324462649
>Windows outreaches it's hand to everyone.
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>>324456014
would you mind posting the wallpaper anon?
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I have upgraded actually. Don't get me wrong though, i upgraded because i had win8 so i figured that no upgrade could be worse and so i did it. I cant say im having any problem with win10 and for me it works like a charm.
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Hey, I hope every one of you who upgraded to Windows 10 realizes that your copy is tied to your motherboard, so you'll have to buy a new license if you ever upgrade your computer.
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>>324458441
95% of DOS games aren't even hardware-accelerated, any GPU that supports VESA will do fine. The real trouble is finding a modern mobo that has an ISA slot or that can properly handle IRQs and shit necessary for DOS games.
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>>324462649
>Windows outreaches it's hand to everyone. The competition does none of that
Exactly my point when I said basically similar.

Something with a straightforward GUI, folders to store crap, internet browsers to while away hours on facebook and the ability to play video games on it. Hell, throw in video and music production and that's basically 99% of what people use computers for. How hard could it possibly be?

You can't say there is competition that does these things and then point out reasons neither of them are viable at all.
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>>324462991
>mfw its fucking true
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>>324460003
It's a problem with WPF, which is something that Windows 10 uses entirely. It's a UI system that is written in XML, basically. Microsoft has been forcing it as a standard for years, by making sure C++ or anything else using MFS is incompatible with Windows 8/10. That way they forced C# to be the future industry standard, because it's the only viable programming languange you can now use for Windows. WPF is unfortunately pretty fucking bad and the webm displays this, basically what's happening is that the controls weren't made for resizing that much because it was majorly designed for tablets who don't need a responsive UI. So some controls just stay where they are while others are being dragged.
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>>324462764
>In Microsoft's defence, the company has long made it clear that Windows 10 updates are mandatory for Home users, and that it would also remove software that it considered "dangerous".

HAHAHAHAHAAH OHOLY SHIT

Speccy and CPU-Z are fucking "DANGEROUS" software? Are you fucking kidding me MS?
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>>324454994
>>324454942
>Microsoft is focusing on Xbox
>hurr durr, you guys are making Windows, why aren't you pushing it as main gaming platform
>/g/ points out that there is free alternative that can become great independent gaming platform with a bit of effort put into it and some publicity
>hurr durr, nogaems, enjoy your indieshit, I can't think for more than 5 minutes ahead therefore I see no practical benefits of Linux being popular gaming platform
It's like army of valvedrones only uses GabeN as meme, but when dude makes good suggestion about how gaming platform should work, he gets ignored completely.
I know, it's mostly Valve's fault when it comes to shit hardware selection (awful price/performance ratio), but I expected /v/ to be at least somewhat enthusiastic about SteamOS
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My computer is a mess and doesn't find updates anymore, so no.
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>>324462330
I was about to reply that, most people didn't open the fucking article and read it. The title is of course clickbait and incorrect, but enough to get people riled up.
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>>324462991
Fucking kek is this true?
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>>324462818
The PS4 only has a 15 million unit lead and that gap has been slowly closing over the last 2 years by the end of this gen it will most likely be almost even.
The same thing happened last gen with the PS3/360. At the start of the gen The Wii and 360 completely destroyed the PS3 but by the end the PS3 actually out sold the 360 by 1 million units. Neither came close to the Wii but thats not really the point.
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>>324462991
Is that not true for 7 and 8.1?
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>>324463157
It is microsoft
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>>324461724
>obscurity of 2005
>Dawn of War expansions
>FEAR
>Half-Life Episodes
>Supreme Commander
>early years of WoW when it was less of a skinnerbox

I accept it.
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>>324463128

That's a nice cat m8, can i save it?
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At this point I rather get a console
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>>324455793
2edgy4me
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So then when I get the money to finally build my serious gaming machine, I'll just throw together the most cutting edge shit that was out before they went all "10 ONLY"

the newest game I'm playing on PC is FFXIV, I don't give a shit about "new" "AAA" games.
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>>324463317
It's all your's friend :)
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>>324463423
Have a nice day lad.
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>>324463270
Yes, but he conveniently forgot to mention that and everyone that's surprised has revealed themselves as a newfag retard
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>>324454994
RadeonSI are the open source drivers, right?
I can't fucking wait for AMDGPU.
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>>324463159
>Thinking /v/ still has the same love affair with Valve.
You been gone a while? GabeN is basically a fallen hero here and loathed. Steam is a joke and gets you laughed at by GoGfags and anything made by valve has a dozen memes attached to it at least.

How the hell can anyone be excited for SteamOS with Valve behind the wheel?
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Watch /g/, this is gonna be a news article in 5 years
>Microsoft remotely disables all copies of Windows 7 and 8 and gives a complimentary upgrade to Windows 10
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>>324462016
>mfw several people have already been arrested for just having lolicon on their harddrives

T-Thanks microsoft. At least google only reports it if you share it via email.
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>>324458483
>Linux users have no physical bodies because they all ascended into higher form of being
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>>324462991
> not pirating wangblows
ok

I've got pirated Win7 and Win8.1, and they were both giving me the OK to upgrade to a legit copy of 10.

It's only a matter of time until 10 is fully cracked anyway, if it isn't already.

> tfw a cracked Windows 10 will be a godsend as all phone-homes would be disabled
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>you will pirate a cpu in your lifetime

what a thrill
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>>324463629
I have lolicon on my PC, also have some questionable videos and nothing happened since W10's technical preview.
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Not yet.

I have my free upgrade but I'm waiting for the last week to use it. You never get a new windows ver without waiting close to a year for them to iron it out.
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>>324458792
>implying /v/ knows what Wireshark is
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>>324463629
I'm gonna need a citation on that m8.
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>>324463657
They're in zoos while the Win10 patriarchy throws popcorn at them yelling "UBUNTU. MINT. HAHAHAHA. RED HAT. DISTRO. MUH PRIVACY. HAHAHAHA. GO COMPILE SOMETHING."
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>>324462991
>there are people here who don't pirate windows
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>>324463259
>that gap has been slowly closing over the last 2 years
Uh, it built that gap over the last 2 years
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>>324463672
>not knowing what cracks do
Just do the legit upgrade you fucking tool
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Why the fuck would a CPU need a specific operating system to work
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Master spied on race.
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>>324463772
Thats because its all fear mongering by retards who didnt bother to read carefully and allowed win10 to snoop on their shit even though you have the option for the most part to stop them form doing so. And even if win10 did send out your data what makes you think cops are going to show up? Why do you think pirating is a thing, leterally no police force in the world cares unless you've got some seriously fucked up shit tha is def illegal
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>>324463772
That's because it's a long juristic process at your authorities, they could raid you in two years because of it.

Unless you're in the US, lolicon is perfectly legal there. But in the rest of the world it's the equivalent of real child pornography.
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>>324463935
They just don't write drivers for the older versions.
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>>324463691
With darkness and silence through the night
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>>324463935
Only for the Windows OS. MS will probably stop writing code to support newer CPU for their older OS.
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>>324463935
Because the old OSes do not behave in ways that the CPU expects and the CPU is not designed in such a way that the old OSes expect. Try installing Windows 98 or 95 on your modern PC. Just try it. What do you think will happen? Do you actually think it will work?
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>>324462818
Honestly I actually have no idea, it's just that the xbox is a console that I've had more interactions with than anything. And I don't mean that as I had an xbox all my life, it's just that when I was younger nobody really had Playstation stuff in their homes, it was always Xbox. The people that DID have Playstations were the kind of people that only bought sports games and strictly that. It's just a matter of perspective I guess
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>>324463672

Microsoft is moving Windows over to the subscription model.

Before too long you are going to have to manually download cracked updates and patches every week or run a vulnerable and buggy pirated Windows 10.
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>>324463963
>You have nothing to hide if you are not doing anything illegal
You are Orwell's worst nightmare come true.
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>>324461539
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>>324464110
Anon, I ran a ver of Vista for 7 years with no updates. There's literally no reason to update your OS if it's stable.
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>>324463783
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna

Every picture you have on your drive is being run through PhotoDNA
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>>324457826
My 3570K is aight at virtualization. Don't know about complex gaming on it, but it can handle the basics at least.
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>>324462920
Those aren't really games or media though. It's going to be hard for them to outright remove media, since proving that it's pirated isn't as easy as it sounds.

You'd have to have a license for fucking everything if that were the case, which is impossible for older games and software.
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>>324463525
What? Gabe isn't a hero as you say but steam isn't a joke. It's the same as it always was Cept with refunds. When he charges for paid online then you can talk
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>>324464110
>vulnerable

You actually let windows connect to the internet for anything but updates?
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>>324464187
I know that but I doubt anyone has actually been arrested for loli because of it otherwise I'd see /a/ throwing a fit.
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>>324464110
>Microsoft is moving Windows over to the subscription model.
You retards are still spreading this retarded "rumor"?
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>>324462920
Also I just checked, speccy is still on my computer,
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>>324464212
They just collect the hashes of known pirated media and delete it. It's simple.
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>>324452972
I already have W10 and have no problems with it. Save for the fact that Steam BP mode doesn't work properly and I can't figure out why the fucking Xbox button is connected to an app that I have DISABLED FUCKER LET ME USE THE CONTROLLER
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>>324464212
>They can remove Speecy and CPU-Z
>Both 100% legit softwares
>They can't remove my pirated games
:^)
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>>324463935
Modern CPU features like multiple cores, new instruction sets, SpeedStep, etc. can cause all sorts of hell on an old OS, or the old OS will ignore the new CPU features. Newer OSes can make use of the new features allowing the CPU to be optimally used.
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>>324464081
What the fuck are you talking about lol

>Try installing Windows 98 or 95 on your modern PC. Just try it.

It works, albeit of course it will not recognize the amount of RAM because it's a 32bit system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOWzorOD-II

The only real issue you have is that you will not be able to find drivers.
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>>324464147
Except i didnt say that at all. I said the people who are complaining about privacy are the ones too stupid to deactivate the ""features"" that enable this privacy breach. Why do you think the anon i replied to hasnt gotten in trouble yet other fags say people got arrested for loli con? Because some people were too dense to read what was on their screen
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>>324463982
>Unless you're in the US, lolicon is perfectly legal there.
It actually depends on the state. In most of them it's a gray area, but I think there's a couple where it's definitely illegal and a couple where it's probably legal.
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>>324464356
Anon, they've said they're moving to Windows as a Service. How do you pay for a "service"? With a subscription.
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>>324462116
No. It was dead in 2005.

Dead as a doornail. Up until 2010, PC was an afterthought in everything, assuming it even got ports. Look at all the games getting PC releases from that time suddenly.

Just because PC gaming had a few gems in the rough since everything else was so shit, doesn't mean it was healthy. Dreamcast also had good games. WiiU also has good games. Are they healthy? Fuck no.

PC golden age is still ongoing and it's going strong. AMD stopped being shit. Games are upping the ante in the graphics department, PC is getting almost immediate support and is seen as a gaming platform, it's being sponsored and backed by multiple strong companies, games are being developed with PC in mind. Hell, for the first time in... Ever, the jap market reaches it's hand to PC.

Disgaea on PC? Metal Gear? Final Fantasy? Castlevania? Valkyrie Chronicles? Platinum games? Holy hell.
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>>324464358
>Works for me
>Apparently there are a few thousand liars on the internet collaborating to create a hoax that every major tech website even picked up on
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>>324453957
>muh botnet
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>>324464343
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/08/10/microsoft-scans-email-for-child-porn-images-leads-to-arrest%E2%80%8F/

You can just google it, there are thousands of cases and even Interpol uses it to fuel their international witch hunt

http://www.interpol.int/News-and-media/News/2015/N2015-041
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>>324463905
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

I've done the legit upgrade on my laptop, because that had a legit 8.1 pre-installed. But I'm happy sticking with my pirated 8.1 on my media and gaming PCs.
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>>324453616
It's still x86 code, you'll still be able to install and run older versions of Windows. They just won't be able to use the more recent hardware features.
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>>324464430
>And even if win10 did send out your data what makes you think cops are going to show up? Why do you think pirating is a thing, leterally no police force in the world cares unless you've got some seriously fucked up shit tha is def illegal
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>>324464265

You don't browse the internet on your computer? Play online games?
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>>324464445
Google is a "service" too and you pay for it with you time by dealing with ads. M$ will probably do the same.
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>>324464470
Okay. Speccy is still on my computer though.
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>>324464362
If you're talking about the shitty Xbox app, just uninstall it through powershell
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>>324464459
>PC golden age is still ongoing and it's going strong
>Games are upping the ante in the graphics department
People like you are the reason we get disappointments like Star Wars Battlefront
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>>324464409
Anon, they're just emulating it. 95/98 won't run on processors faster than 2.2 ghz due to the NDIS problem.
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>7fags will still cling to their outdated shit OS
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>>324464639
>It works for me
Not sure what are you trying to prove here anon
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>>324464632
>Accepting shitty ads all over your OS

Good lord you people are plebs
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>>324464648
And people complain that you might need to use the command like on Linux.
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>>324464660
>emulating

The person in the video isn't even using it as a virtual machine, but nice try backpedalling.1
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i used to really care about all this stuff. i was really worried about all my pirated vidya and stuff becoming obsolete overnight, and i championed linux and other things because of that.

then i graduated college, got a good job, and had disposable income so i could just buy my vidya and buy windows and buy everything i used to pirate in the past becuase i was a poorfag college kid. i now realize that none of this stuff really matters to me. i was just angsty because i wasn't going to be able to continue poorfagging my way through life.
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>>324464564
that still doesnt support what you said. If you read carefully you would tell that im saying no police ever would care that you have drawings of little girls getting fucked or a video of a dude stapling his balls or whatever videos you have. No police force is ever going to waste money on capturing a dude with shady videos that would still be considered legal.
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>>324452972
It's only support for some unimportant things in win10. Microsoft cant force hardware manufacturers to only support 1 OS. It'd be suicide.
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>>324464797
The statement was always that you can't install it on modern hardware, not that you can't emulate it on modern hardware. By install I literally mean pop a Win98 CD into your drive and try to install it.
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>>324464445
They meant the shitty app store you fucking mongoloid
In case you didn't notice, they're ripping off apple
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>>324464649
People like you are the reason Nintendo is so shit nowadays.

> durr better Graphics means bad games

Maybe one day you'll learn how game development works.
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>>324464710
If Microsoft is trying to enforce their 1984 crap they are doing a terrible job.
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>>324464882
It isn't MS forcing it. It's MS not updating 7 to work with newer CPUs.
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>>324464843
>If you read carefully you would tell that im saying no police ever would care that you have drawings of little girls getting fucked or a video of a dude stapling his balls or whatever videos you have. No police force is ever going to waste money on capturing a dude with shady videos that would still be considered legal.
>I can predict what happens 5 years down the road
>They have don't have such a police force
>They won't have the thought police in the future

Naive as fuck thinking.
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>>324464632

They've already rolled out yearly subscription fees for some software, e.g. Office, it's only a matter of time before Windows joins them.
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This is entirely bullshit. This won't happen.

This is the only website that has this "info"
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>>324464824
Nice blog but how do you feel about your shit is not the point.
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>>324464904
>By install I literally mean pop a Win98 CD into your drive and try to install it.

Which the person in the video clearly did without problems.

Why do you try so hard? Does this somehow get you mad that you otherwise can't justify having CPU's locked to OS'?
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>>324464938
No, that is not what they "meant" at all, as the App Store is not Windows. Windows as a service means the OS is a service.
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>>324464458
Who would have thought that a curry nigger didn't know that no means no
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>>324462991
>>324463091
this isn't true.
Only OEM versions of windows 10 are.
So if you were a retard who had his W7/8 PC built for him, then upgrading the MOBO fucks you over.

If you weren't retarded you have a full version of W10 which can be transferred to different hardware configurations.
This includes people who bought W8 when it was only $15.
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>>324464969
The first step is establishing a global network of monitoring before you start enforcing anything. All that shows is they have the capabilities to do so because if they don't do it today, they definitely won't do it in the future.
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>>324464187
Shit, MS knows about all the rare pepes I have on my disk.
Better commit 404 before they come for me.
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>>324464959
Maybe one day you'll stop taking that corporate cock up your ass but I have doubts.
>nintendo
kek, take your shit elsewhere fedorafag
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>>324465029
You couldn't find other sites that had that info? I could. >>324458058
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>>324465029
>>324458058
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>>324465126
Of course a 10 year old would have nothing to hide other than his pepe's
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>>324464987
>what is pirating?

why do you think you didnt get arrested for pirating? because its such a petty crime that no one will go after you, the most that will happen is you getting a notification from your ISP and even that isnt as common as you'd think. Trust me man, no one is going to spend tax payer money to capture a guy with drawings of little girls.
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>>324465096
Do you think he secretly shits on the streets of Redmond?
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>>324465065
>Which the person in the video clearly did without problems.
Anon, the video does not show that at all. It shows a shitty handicam video of Windows 98 booting.
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>>324465197
>why do you think you didnt get arrested for pirating?
>This isn't happening now means it won't happen in the future
Like I said, Orwell worst nightmare is people like you that cede their rights.
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>Have KMS Pre-Activated Windows 8.1
>Decide to upgrade to 10
>Everything goes smoothly
>Opt-out of everything when installing
>Turn everything off in Privacy Settings
>Disable Windows Defender in GPEDIT
>Disable Windows Update in Services and then activate it manually when I want to update
>Uninstall all pre-installed bloat "apps"
>Use spybot anti-beacon to disable botnet leftovers
>Get the same shit OS that Windows 7 was
>Everything works as good as it did on Windows 7
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>>324464978
They dont have to? Devs can simply tailor the CPU around the OS like they always have. Are you retarded?
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>>324456978
This
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How do you get Qemu to work? I have a valid live usb of Windows 8.1 Pro; do I use the USB to run windows within a VM on Antergos?
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>>324465378
>Devs can simply tailor the CPU around the OS like they always have.
They won't tailor it around Windows 7. It's an old OS.
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>>324465373
>Install Windows 7
>Everything works as good as it did on Windows 7
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Console gaming it is.
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>>324465067
All I'm saying is they won't implement subscription into the OS. Windows hasn't been their cash cow for a while now, they want the piece of the app revenue pie. Subscription would be suicide.
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>>324465253
DESIGNATED
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>>324465505
Enjoy trying to find Win7 keys in 10 years
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>>324465442
There are plenty of tutorials just a ddg search away. Or you could just ask /flt/ on /g/.
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>>324465120
You make it sound as if Microsoft were capable of something. They aren't even capable with their hardware.
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>>324458058
So? A current top shelf CPU will be plenty powerful to last 10 years. CPUs get like 2% faster with each generation who cares
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>>324465342
So you're whole argument is basically that it MIGHT happen in the future, so what are the odds that i MIGHT not be ok with that happening in the future. I'm saying win10 does snoop in your shit and youre not going to get arrested, sure anything MIGHT happen but that applies to everything that its not even a legit criticism anymore. Why shower when showering MIGHT become unacceptable in the future? Why buy food now when someone MIGHT give you food later for free? and so on, you get the point
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>>324465560
DAZ Loader will always be somewhere on the internet :^)
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>>324465589
All they have to do is to hand their network over to the competent people like the NSA. Oh wait... They already do.
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Vista was so terrible for gaming. I had nothing but problem after fucking endless problem from it.

XP Pro was fucking phenomenal for gaming.

Windows 7 is amazing for gaming, while I read nothing but problem after fucking endless problem from Windows 10 users.

Windows 10 is the fucking console port of operating systems. It is literally a smart phone/tablet operating system that has been shovelwared and shoehorned onto PC's.

Why?

Why the fuck can't you make an operating system that is deigned around video games as a top priority, with jerking off to trap porn as a close secondary option?

Huh Microsoft? Do you fucking hate video games?

Think about the companies name.

>Micro
>Soft

It is literally the Kuck of corporations.
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>>324465630
And what will you do in 10 years, smart guy?
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>>324458134
> implying this does anything
Suckers
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>>324465505
this would be fine if it weren't for the fact that 7 is way behind in terms of performance.
Seems stupid to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on a gaming PC and then limiting your performance by choosing an OS that your anonymous internet friends think is cooler.
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>>324465560
I don't foresee myself losing the one I currently have, so I'm good.
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>>324465667
Why the fuck would you be okay with the risk with absolutely no benefit to yourself? You are a cuck of the highest caliber.

You wouldn't happen to be German, would you?
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>>324465702
A soft, flaccid penis. That is what Microsoft is.
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>>324465667
Are you fucking retarded? By letting them snoop in all your stuff now, it gives them power to access your stuff for illegal stuff in the future. Or are you fucking retarded that you cannot see the link?
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>valve just wants to line their pockets and haven't released anything decent since LFD2
>blizzard just release casual shit with the intention of milking the playerbase dry before moving on to their next release
>microsoft shoving their botnet OS down everyones throat
>nvidia actively sabotaging amd and their own customers
>amd CPUs are shit so intel can charge out the ass for 10% performance increases
>piracy is a crapshoot and you need to check every torrent for miners/malware
>shitty f2p games are all the rage
>early access garbage where devs have no intention of finishing their games
>AAA releases are usually buggy as fuck
>there's only 2-3 games worth playing every year

where did it all go so wrong
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>>324465697
>NSA
>Competent
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>>324465772
You're only allowed to use it on One (1) PC :3
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>>324465732
>this would be fine if it weren't for the fact that 7 is way behind in terms of performance.
[Citation required]
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>>324465442
To avoid the 2km of command line arguments you can get GUI frontend for qemu.
It should work fine from USB.
I find VirtualBox easier to use, if you don't mind Oracle pissing in your Stallman-approved 100% free OS build.
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>>324465702
W7fags are literally consolefags though.
Almost every one of them are delusional fanboys who just take whatever they hear on faith rather than actually having an understanding of the system on any technical level.
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>>324465819
Indie games and other games by smaller studios, anon.
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>>324465837
>The retard that hasn't read Snowden reports
Okay
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>>324465819
At least we lived through the golden age. Many people will never experience those times.
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>>324465806
Except i never said it was good to get snooped on. my original argument was that only retards who didnt disable all the spyware shit are getting snooped on and "arrested" for having loli con. When some anon asked me why he wasnt arrsted i told him because he actually read what the settings meant. I dont know how this Orwellian shit got involved through that.
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>>324465867
I've used it for 3 separate hard drives since I first upgraded to 7 so obviously that's a lie.
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>>324465582
I'll keep looking on ddg. I've found some, but they come off as hieroglyphics sometimes. /flt/ will sometimes bite your head off for not having 20 years of FOSS contributions.
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>>324465867
Stop buying prebuilts you fucking retard.
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>>324465998
It's tied to mobo, not HDD
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>>324465991
>You can turn off the spyware shit
:^)
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>not using windows 8.1
what the fuck guys
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>>324452972
>You didnt fall for the PC meme
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>>324465889
are you really going to make me bring out the Toms Hardware and Anandtech links again?
Everytime I do 7fags just deny it and post some shoddy Russian benchmark they cherry picked off google images.

W8 gave minor performance improvements in several games and W10 improves further, WDDM2.0 has made open-world games like GTAV and TW3 run noticibly smoother on mid-high end machines.

It's not by much, still less than 10fps and usually more like 2~ average fps but it's enough to make it seem dumb to go back to 7 after all these years.

W7fags are basically the same people who still use utorrent and VLC, they just stick with what they're used because that's all they know.
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>>324466042
>He actually thinks MS will allow you to just buy an OS once and keep installing it on every PC you own

Shit, why doesn't everyone just give away their Win7 key to everyone? I mean just say you own all those PCs. Come on, anon, think.
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>>324466135
Most people on /v/ are triggered by metro/flat design so the OS is automatically trash.
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This thread is now /g/ embassy.
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>>324466193
>Give up your privacy for ~2 average FPS
Good deal anon. Sign me up.
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>>324466096
well i mean if youre not a normie you can...
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>>324466296
GPL is a cancerous blight to free software community.
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>>324465819

>Hearthstone
>MOBO's
>Call of Shooter
>Feminism and social justice everywhere
>Pay to win
>Day one DLC
>Console port
>Cinematic 30 fps
>Season pass
>Store exclusives
>Pay for Alpha testing
>We want the mobile cell phone audience
>Same price for online download as a disc, case, instruction booklet and map
>Register your username with our always online DMR service

Hello there,
The angel from my nightmare,
The shadow in the background of the morgue.
The unsuspecting victim of darkness in the valley.
We can live like Jack and Sally
If we want.
Where you can always find me
And we'll have Halloween on Christmas.
And in the night we'll wish this never ends,
We'll wish this never ends.
Where are you?
And I'm so sorry.
I cannot sleep, I cannot dream tonight.
I need somebody and always
This sick strange darkness
Comes creeping on so haunting every time.
And as I stared I counted
The webs from all the spiders
Catching things and eating their insides.
Like indecision to call you
And hear your voice of treason.
Will you come home and stop this pain tonight?
Stop this pain tonight.
Don't waste your time on me.
You're already the voice inside my head.

.
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>>324466383
Why is there never such a thing as a hybrid normie-geek? I think I am
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>>324466383
>>324458792
>>324458973
>Implying implications
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>>324466193
>>324466356
Not only that, but you have to give up your ability to run older pc games and apps well, too. It's already a pain in the ass to run some older pc games in 7 relative to xp and it gets harder with every new version of windows. Why would 2 fps be worth it when 7 is the least bad middle ground?
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>>324466445
>GPL is the only license to ensure software freedom
>it's a cancerous blight to free software community
sure
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>>324466550
T W O
W
O

F P S
P
S
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>>324466356
are you implying it's not?
I could be an fanboy and lie about "W10 IS SO GOOD I GOT LIKE 20+FPS IN STAR CITIZEN" but that's beneath me.
You're getting performance with no cost of new hardware, people already pay an extra $50~ for that GPU that's just a tiny bit better as it is, even if the performance doesn't scale that much.
Marginal benefits are still benefits.
Just getting rid of the annoying micro-stutter I was experiencing in GTAV has made it satisfying for me alone, even forgetting the quality of life improvements W10 has.
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How is Wine gaming?
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>>324466229
you can get rid of 95% of the metro shit in fucking 2 minutes
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>>324466716
Good for most older titles. open source AMD drivers will give the best performance.
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>>324466642
This is probably the biggest shill post ever, completely disregarding the issue I brought up for muh performance.
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>>324466716
Depends on the game.

It's gets better over time with every Wine version.
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>>324466550
7 isn't a middle-ground.
8 ran all the games 7 did and performed mildly better, so 8 is the middleground.
10 has run everything I've thrown at it, even obscure old jap porn games.
There are a few I've heard of that need wrappers, such as the original Abe's Odyssey, besides that it's solid.
GOG is officially supporting the OS too, so the library of old games you're going to hold on to is pretty secure.
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Alright guys, my love of vidya has trumped my burning hatred for Microsoft thus far but no more. Switching over to linux and playing all my vidya through a vm from now on in guest mode. MS needs to fade into irrelevancy and their fucking popups can go with them.
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>>324465709
Not him, but swap to Linux.

Linux game library is growing by the year, as is virtualisation stability and performance. Any games that I want to play that aren't on Linux can be virtualised. No wukkas.
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>>324460012
Good for you, but most everyone else out there has done at least one or two things that could get them into serious trouble if the authorities knew about it. The growth of the surveillance state is a bad thing and needs to be opposed by anyone who values civil liberties.
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>>324466869
>Mildly better
Since W10 is 2 fps. Windows 8 is 1 fps increase on average? FANTASTIC.
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>>324466880
good luck setting up gpu-passthrough, you'll need it.
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>>324466823
go fuck yourself 7tard.
You literally just disregarded my post to do you shill meme.
You did not have a point, you gave a 6 word sarcastic response.
There is no deal, you don't have to give Microshit anything and you get a tiny performance boost.
If you're paranoid you can literally block all of their servers from your router.

The truth is people like you are just fixated on that shitty glossy 2007 aesthetic because it makes you feel safe.
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>>324467073
>Constantly be paranoid for MS spying on you
>Constantly have to worry about shit like http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/#2715e4857a0b6d14edec2f4a

ALL FOR WHAT? 2 FPS?
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>>324458837

why wouldn't you wait for pascael? the last 4 years have been stagnant as shit with p.c tech, the only games i'm missing out on with my 2012 gaming laptop (lenovo y580) is i won't be able to play doom 4 or witcher 3.
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>>324466985
I was lowballing it because you fags always lose your shit over this fact.
Also no, why would you expect W8 to be literally exactly between W7 and 10 in terms of performance on every game?
It doesn't just linearly scale, the performance increases in W8 and 10 are based on actual improvements.
Want a more significant benchmark?
here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzFe5OOHZko
now call me out for cherrypicking.
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>>324458058
All this would do is make sure they tank their own stocks
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>>324452972
No it just wont have all the updates which are 95% useless anyway. They said the skylake cpus will only get critical updates.

I haven't updated in a longg time anyway due to all the win10 update notification shit anyway.
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>>324466967
This.
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>>324454375
Skylake offers jack fucking shit over anything Haswell or higher. Literal cuck if you buy one.
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>>324453574
>>324453487
>>324453591
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>>324466869
No, dude, shit like Blade of Severance is gonna give you trouble if you run anything after xp, and the trouble magnifies the newer your OS is. Fuck, even Crysis will give you shit in 8. I am actively going back and playing lots of these older games I missed out on and I'm not going to opt for even more of a hassle than 7 can give you.
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>>324467276
>Project CARS
you mean the botched game that shat on Nvidia's older cards? Or the one AMD exposed as gimping their cards? Sounds legit bro.

I definitely trust your benchmarking instead of one like this http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/page6.html where they test it across multiple games
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>>324452972
Cool. Encourage the hackers to make kernel-level mods to Windows so I won't have to worry about botnet/activation/adsourcing ever again
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>>324459109
He's blocked a shit ton of domains, and yet windows is still transmitting data

Microsoft owns a subsidiary that has over a million domains associated with windows telemetry
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>>324467220
>posting a Forbes article
you aren't too bright are you.
You're a sensationalist following other sensationalists, typical.
MS's telemetry was debunked pretty heavily as harmless.
But I agree it's bullshit that they tried to force it on us.
It can be disabled pretty thoroughly though, and I even blacklisted them in my router just incase the botnet was too strong.

But if you are so paranoid that even a router blacklist won't stop it, why the fuck are you using windows?
If you use a closed, non-free OS how the fuck do you know they aren't spying on you already?
And for another thing, Steam is already using telemetry to monitor your behaviour, even if you aren't playing a game.
Really, go check the IPs your PC is accessing if you don't believe me, Valve has several that I've been blocking that aren't related to steam community, updates, steam's games or any other benefit to myself.

But really, just trust the clickbait articles and the memes and don't question your beloved W7 or Steam.
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>>324467582
Anon...Windows is closed source.
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Wow, with all the pressure MS is putting on PC users to adopt W10, you'd think there was some sort of ulterior motive or something behind it!
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>>324467306
Too bad, they're doing it. They don't care.
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>>324467635
>Don't believe that Forbes article
>Believe me the random shill on the internet
>It has been debunked as harmless according to me
How much are you paid for that post Rajah?
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>>324467635
>shilling this hard
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>>324467635
Well how do you know he doesn't just pirate all his games?
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>>324467635
50 cents for that post shill?
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Corporations will NOT let this shit fly.

Google, IBM, etc.

China will not like, etc.

Money talks. Microsoft will backpedal when everyone says fuck off to Windows 10 when it comes to even close to trying to replace Win 7 in their Enterprise environments.


Also, if you DO have to switch to Windows 10 guys?

Install the _Enterprise_N edition! WHAT'S THAT? The N means no frills edition (look it up, removes a lot of MS bullshit), and Enterprise will eventually remove all the telemetry bullshit that MS put in it (because again, those corporations are bitching hardcore and refusing to update).

So when it comes time to upgrade? I'll be fine, I'll pirate the Enterprise N edition.

Im also sure this probably violates some sort of anti-trust laws as well, on the government level, whether it be the USA or EU.
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>>324467706
You don't say. They have never been that interested in people to update to their OS until today.
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>>324467635
>Windows 10 is so good that they are forcing people constantly to upgrade
>Definitely nothing wrong with it
Shill/10
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>>324467791
>he proved me wrong let me call him a shill because I have no actual argument about his truth
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>>324467635
+50 cents
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>>324467040
Ughh....... maybe i'll just dual boot.... i guess....
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>>324467858
How will corporations avoid buying new CPUs? ;3

--Indianfag Raja Kuckbertstein
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>>324452972
I upgraded from Win7 over the weekend. I've yet to properly all the stuff that calls home to Microsoft and such. But I'll get to that soon enough.

I can certainly see an advantage in it. The OS overhead is much less than in Win7, so games can run better. Other than that, I'm not noticing much of a difference beyond some cosmetic stuff.
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>Microsoft cares about your CP and loli you don't distribute with other people
>Microsoft cares about your pirated vidya folders

Even if you get cucked into W10, I still don't understand why this is a problem. More companies use Telemetry on you daily without you knowing it than Windows could ever hope to by itself. More than half you fucks probably use a Windows with the telemetry updates on it right now.
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>>324467951
>Don't trust Forbes
>Trust me
>This is his argument
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Windows 10 is fine.

Coming from a gentoo smug
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>>324465096
>Who would have thought that a curry nigger didn't know that no means no

ayy lamo
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>>324452972
why wouldn't they work ?
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>Live in Australia, Data retention plan is active
>Use Google Chrome because Firefox gets really weird with plugins and hogs abnormal amounts of RAM for some reason
>No intention to ever use TOR, 90% sure it's illegal to have exit-nodes in Australia, 90% sure that if anyone found out I was using TOR people would call me a pedophile and a junkie

Is there any reason I shouldn't update to Windows 10? I'm already 100% fucked botnet-wise anyhow

Does it get much worse if I upgrade?
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>>324467858
>on the government level
Who do you think is pushing for it?
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>>324468015
>More companies use Telemetry on you daily without you knowing it
No, I'm sorry, that's wrong, fuck off kike.

I also run NoScript and randomize my computer spec headers to websites.

Fucking please, I'm not a Chrome using w10 faggot like you.
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>>324466590
>not liking business friendly BSD or MIT

what are you, a commie?
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>>324468015
>I am a cuck for M$
>That means everyone else is a cuck
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>>324468089
> if anyone found out I was using TOR
> implying your everyday normie knows what TOR is
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>>324468089
>>>Use Google Chrome because Firefox gets really weird with plugins and hogs abnormal amounts of RAM for some reason
You're literally an idiot, as Chrome uses more RAM than Firefox nowadays. It's pretty much the reason why Chrome is great with javascript.
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Why wouldnt it work ? Are the new CPU's not x86 or some shit ?
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>>324467501
>you mean the botched game that shat on Nvidia's older cards?
even The Witcher 3 did that, Nvidia is just a shit.
Also yes those benches are in favour of W10, however I would consider checking Tom's Hardware and Anantech as well.
Trusting any one benchmarker is just cherrypicking.
>>324467748
>>324467838
>>324467791
fuck off memers.
Forbes turned to shit.
If you actually READ the article you posted you would have read
>By default Windows 10 Home is allowed to control your bandwidth usage, install any software it wants whenever it wants (without providing detailed information on what these updates do), display ads in the Start Menu (currently it has been limited to app advertisements), send your hardware details and any changes you make to Microsoft and even log your browser history and keystrokes which the Windows End User Licence Agreement (EULA) states you allow Microsoft to use for analysis.
It links to the data
http://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
which just talks about Cortana's process connecting to MS even if it's disabled.

If you're not a retard you'd know you can remove Cortana completely, in fact even just deleting the .exe stops it from launching after reboot, Windows isn't smart about fixing this easy workaround.

You would also know that the shitty telemetry it's doing as detailed in the article can be simply blocked. Either through an IP blocking list on your PC or better yet your router.

Also using Window 10 Home is fucking stupid.
Once you strip away the memes it's very obvious you guys are ignorant.
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>>324468162
GPL is business friendly. Shitty businesses are just not free software friendly.
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>>324457472
You can disable it in the settings, but it doesn't completely disable it. You need to either edit the hosts file yourself, or download a program that does it for you.

I think there might be a program that does it on Bleeping Computer.
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>>324468108
>I also run NoScript
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>>324468030
why the fuck would you trust Forbes?
you literally didn't even read the article and you trust them.
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>>324468304
Nice memepost! Care to share your retardation with everyone? I hope you can share.
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The article doesn't say why the CPU's dont work with older versions of windows, anyone know ?
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>>324468212
Architecture is only the most basic factor. There are other, deeper complexities to account for.
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Open this pic on Windows 10, I dare you.
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>>324468162
yes
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>>324468108
if you are using steam, they are using telemetry right now on your PC without you knowing it.
you even agreed to it in the EULA.
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There's 3 reasons I haven't upgraded yet, and I don't know the status of these issues since I haven't looked into them.

>No AppLocale, so I can play JP games
>Excessive spying on personal information boogeyman
>App style start menu instead of the simple and aesthetically pleasing one from 7

This is all the reasoning I don't upgrade yet. Has all of this been fixed yet?
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>>324468254
>Also yes those benches are in favour of W10

W7 is better at some games, equal at some and worse at some. Holy shit. What a surprise. Fuck off Shill.
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>>324468413
pepperoni pizza?
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>>324468426
Are Reloaded and Skidrow using telemetry on me?
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Yes, I upgraded from Windows eons ago.

GNU/Linux gaming master race.
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>>324468445
Locale Emulator is pretty damn good. Use that instead of Apploc.
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>>324468426
That's funny, because I don't use steam?

And that's just a hardware scan, kike. I don't think you know what telemetry is, actually.
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>>324468526
Xupefei? Or a different one?
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>>324465096
>indians
>computers
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>>324468445
Anon, they're not going to "fix" these problems because they don't see them as problems. MS does not have your priorities, they have their own, which conflict with yours.
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I like how everyone is complaining about m-m-muh privacy and most of you faggots run an anti virus on your PCs
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>>324468514
Just bitcoin miners
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