>Hey guys what should we make the next boss like?
>Well the last boss was 3 enemies, so how about this one is dozens of enemies that can all 1 hit you!
I didn't even find it that hard to be honest, took me 2 tries.
The spiders are about as braindead as the boss itself. Don't try to spam R1 for the second and third phase and you should be fine.
From literally gave you an anti Rom weapon in the DLC because you babbies kept complaining.
Beasthunter Saif literally hooks up underneath the spiders and you can kill them from the front and bypass their armour.
Then there's the whirly saw which you can effectively oneshot the cunt with.
>there are people that waste time dealing with the basically harmless spiders
They've always one shot me with their leaping attacks from off camera. Ever since I decided to be patient and eliminate them all first, I've never had any trouble in any of the Rom fights.
>walk in front of spider
>roll when it's about to attack
>turn around and slap it on the ass
>once all spiders die slap Rom around
>roll to dodge ice
>alternatively: Summon Madaras Twin
That was super hard.
>I like hard games until they're actually hard!
All you need to do is run around in circles until you find a chance to hit a spider, and then once they're dead, do the same with Rom. If you do it that way, it becomes a pretty long fight, but it is 200% retard proof; you literally cannot fuck it up. You will never get hit.
They can be dicey.
If one of them pulls that high jump move from off screen and you don't see it coming you're about to eat a fuck ton of damage.
It's impossible to keep them all in front of you and pure mobility isn't possible either.
This is mainly why people hate Rom. It's a chancy fight at times.
It's truly shitty in the Chalice Dungeons.
>one shot all the spiders in phase one, since Rom won't attack
>Go apeshit on her
>Hit and run the rest of the fight, weaving through the spiders instead of killing them
Use a quick weapon, pop a beast pellet, kill all the spiders in the first phase when rom is idle, run up to rom and time your charged r2 so it hits when he is just about to teleport to stagger him, kill him in 30 seconds without having to deal with phase 2 or 3
Hey guys, what is going on here?
he's a challenge
but he's not hard
learn to keep rolling
It's one of my favorite fights because it's actually different than BIG BOSS hit hard; the fight requires lots of fun kiting.
Also the atmosphere is palpable.
I did most bosses on max 2-3 tries but this shitty dog took me like 10+ attempts because of his bullshit instant kill attack. Amydgala defiled was also a bitch and I couldn't get past her without cheesing the fucking part which she tore her arms off her back and goes apeshit.
You're posting the easiest boss in the game, that's what.
Seriously I beat this guy with a +3 blades of Mercy with very little Vitality, all of his attacks are incredibly slow.
>OP complains that enemies can 1-hit you
>Bad players come in going "just pump your vit"
Disgusting. Anyone who thinks the solution to a bossfight is to crank up the easy mode and chug blood vials has no valid opinion on any of the game's bossfights.
The only objective way to measure the quality of any of the game's bossfights is as an unleveled waste of skin character.
> Step 1
Summon Old Hunter Queen Killer
> Step 2
Stay at the edge of the map and let the Wheel-weirding motherfucker solo the boss.
> Step 3
Spend a week stuck on Defiled Amy because you actually have to get good, more players is useless.
He's hard but he's completely doable. Hell, you don't even need to kill the other spiders, I just roll to his side -> charge attack -> get the fuck out. Rinse and repeat. If the spiders are too close to him just lead them to you and them move in.
>people complained about Freja in DaS2
>HURR WHAT SHIT DESIGN! LETS MAKE A BOSS WITH A BILLION SPIDERS AND A LASER!, FUCKING B TEAM
>Miyazaki does it
>10/10 BRILLIANT DESIGN, YOU JUST NEED TO GIT GUD, LOL PCBABBIES CANT INTO GOOD MIYAZAKI GAMEPLAY
>upgrade tonitrus (alternatively use your current weapon and apply bolt paper)
>run in, get a few hits to his side, run
>when you're close to him and he rears up, get away, he's about to shoot shit out of the ground
>when he does meteors just sprint until they're done
>avoid the little spiders
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I don't like summoning people to help me kill the boss, It's not like It's the easy way, I just think it messes the timing of the boss and won't let me experience the full fight.
>complaining about difficulty
>probably calls himself a "gamer"
>probably uses twitter
>probably cares about drama and memes more than games
>Thinks posting his dementia on the internet makes him a cool, quirky personality
Honestly, the souls games and bloodborne generally have very poorly designed bosses.
I'm not talking about difficulty here, but just being shit.
For example they love trying to balance a shitty and poorly designed boss by throwing in a bunch of normal enemies (too many examples to count). Another twist on this is simply make a boss and then make you fight several of them.
Some are just downright jokes (most recent example is living failures).
The games have some genuinely good boss fights, but most of them are honestly just bad.
Anon I think you should go see a doctor
That's a bit low, but it is doable. Do what >>324437693 said. If you have fire paper/pungent blood cocktails you'll be fine. Fire is strong against beast and cocktails will draw him to any place you want
Which boss gave you guys the most trouble? I'll rank mine here, starting with the most deaths I've had all the way to the bottom and fewest deaths (excluding Chalice Dungeons, including DLC):
>Orphan of Kos
>Ludwig the Accursed
>Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower
>Rom, the Vacuous Spider
>The One Reborn
>Shadow of Yharnam
>Ebrietas, Daughter of the Cosmos
>Laurence, the First Vicar
Killed these on the first try, so they all share a bottom spot:
>Mergo's Wet Nurse
>Gherman, the first Hunter
>The Witch of Hemwick
>For example they love trying to balance a shitty and poorly designed boss by throwing in a bunch of normal enemies (too many examples to count)
Such as? I'm legitimately curious which bosses feature a lot of summons?
Gascoigne, because before BB I'd never parried once in any of the souls, and none of those enemies really chased you down like he did in his second form. It was a brutal fight for that early in the game.
Freya isn't hard, it' just tedious to have to run around the boss to get at the weakspot, AND, if you have a torch out, the little spiders hang back, there, anti frustration measure, quit bitching.
Yeah, I agree, Gascgoine was damn near impossible when I first played BB (this coming from a "Souls veteran" who had beaten the previous 3 games) for the same reason. I always played Souls with a shield and took it slow. I think Gascgoine is the most brutal casual filter in all the Souls games (second maybe to the Capra Demon).
I would definitely put him on the same tier as Capra Demon. A fast enemy in a steady poke game is going to throw a huge wrench into most people's game. I hate that I had to summon to beat him the first time, but I'll be damned if I had any real trouble for the rest of the game(until I hit the chalice dungeons).
Orphan of Kos is pretty much the only boss that has killed me more than 5 times.
Still haven't beat him but I'm running a shitty build so will probably just say fuck it and stomp his shit with a real build soon.
>Such as? I'm legitimately curious which bosses feature a lot of summons?
Do I really have to list them all?
In Bloodborne alone you have
celestial emissary, rom
shadows, witch, living failiures
This is also ignoring chalice dungeon bosses like the watchers.
But the problems with the designs are not limited to the copypaste either, many of them are just simply poorly designed.
I mean how many boss fights in Bloodborne alone can compare to Gascoigne? Not only because of the fight itself, but the lore and buildup surrounding it. I mean you even had an item tie into all of this with the music box which had a practical use in the fight.
Now compare that fight to Celestial Emissary, which is just that mass rat boss copypasted from dark souls.
Orphan is pretty tough. Phase one you can take it slow, and always dodge to your RIGHT (his left). P2 is hail Mary time, you really need to keep dodging backward to avoid the blood (?) burst grenade things and just stick close to him otherwise. You'll know he's gonna throw them when he leaps over you into the air. You can parry him in both phases, but it's not recommended unless you're really good.
Also to add, when he does his scream in P2 it means he's doing that ground lightning AOE, and you can get a few good hits in there because it takes him a few seconds to summon that shit. It ALWAYS comes from the body of Kos on the beach, so if you're fighting near the water or right by the door you came through then you can outrange it.
I liked all the fights except the shitty defiled dog and amydgala, different strokes for different folks, I guess.
"poorly designed" what do you mean with this? That is like your opinion and I respect that. My opinion though is that a lot of bosses had huge sweeps and 1 hit ko attacks, that doesn't necessarily make it a bad design though, just a choice I don't like.
>"poorly designed" what do you mean with this?
I'm not gonna go into deep detail of every single boss I found to be poorly designed.
I mean do I REALLY have to go into detail as to why bosses like Covetous demon are poorly designed?
>mfw the only people who say rom is easy are people who overleveld
You should try explaining your words to stir discussion, not just give a vague idea of what you think is right or wrong.
That boss is ugly as shit, though, but some people like it.
You're really overestimating the value of stats in these games, you can be at 99 and still die like a bitch. Conversely, you can win the game without levelling anything.
>Hey guys what should we make the next area like?
>Well the last area had solid ground, so how about this one is unstable geometry that you can fall through?
>You should try explaining your words to stir discussion
I honestly don't care since I'm going to bed in 10 minutes and it's a pointless waste of effort anyway. Especially when someone apparentely thinks that Covetous demon (and tons of other souls bosses) is a great boss in terms of game design.
I feel fucked up because I never had any trouble with Rom, Gascgoine, The One Reborn, Amelia, or BSB.
But I completely got my shit pushed in by Logarius, Ludwig, Laurence, and Gherman.
Kos is just seems really difficult for almost everyone so yeah.
I think the most deaths I've had so far ironically is...the fucking Chikage hunter. blargh. Not even a real boss. Shameful.
Ok, good night, man.
Capra raped my ass hard the first time I fought against him, mostly because of the dogs and the camera, but I think almost all bosses near the walls have shitty camera. I don't know how they can fix that, though.
>The One Reborn
Can someone explain what part of this boss is supposed to be difficult? I know it's fairly low on your list, but I've seen people who are legitimately stuck on it. Are they not killing the witches or something?
The monster design in this game makes my skin crawl. Reminds me of that "trypophobia" shit
I think I'm one of the few people that never had trouble with Ludwig and Gascgoine. I killed both my first try.
Lady Maria kicked my ass. I used over 400 blood vials across dozens of attempts.
it's kinda silly since they were so generic but the huge spider in the first room when you enter mergo's loft was the scariest part of the entire game for me
fucking phobias man
I just beat this boss by projectile spam and summoning. I could realiably pull this off again and I am pretty sure everybody can do it.
Even easier if you summon the Queen Killer. Spam accursed brew until out of bullets, finish with blacksky eye. Literally errorproof.
I'd also argue that yes, some of them were pretty badly designed. Let's take elana as an example and let's compare it to Ornstein&Smoug.
Elana is essentialy Elana+1/2 Veladtad/s so i feel like the comparison is pretty fair.
Orn&Smo design is so good because individually they're significantly weaker than a single boss, thus letting you manage to fight two of them at the time; moreover when you do kill the first one the game recalibrates the difficulty by making the remaining more powerful, giving you again a balanced 1vs1 fight.
Elana is a mess: on her own she's like 1/2 of a regular boss and based purely on luck you could fight just skeletons, which are annoying but harmless; pigs, which are harmless, and veldstad. Now let's talk veldstad. Reduced hp or not velstad remains a full 1vs1 balanced boss, and this results in you having to dodge ten minutes before each opening to hit him or Elana without getting raped by the other... which would be fine, couldn't she summon more and more guys over time. This makes the bossfight a speedrun to kill velstadt fast enough, while making it such that the opportunity for hitting the boss are very little and far between
gascan is a bitch, Ludwig just hits like a ton of bricks.
I don't get it as a "fear" either, but looking at stuff like that gets my skin crawling and makes me itchy
>Shadow of Yharnam
>Amygdala (not defiled)
>Witch of Hemwick
All first try, never got the shit on Laurence. And suprised there isn't any videos of trivializing the fight with HMS spam.
>Are they not killing the witches or something?
That's probably it. I directly assumed it was impossible to get to them. Didn't play Demon's Souls so I didn't get the reference either. I killed the monstrosity first try anyway but made it a lot harder. I felt kinda silly on NG+.
Each / is 1 Death on my first playthrough. I felt really overleveled when I got to the DLC though, I was around 80-90 when I did it.
Father Gascoigne /////
Vicar Amelia ///
The Witch of Hemwick
Shadow of Yharnam /
Rom, the Vacuous Spider //
The One Reborn ////
Micolash, Host of the Nightmare /
Mergo's Wet Nurst
Ebrietas, Daughter of the Cosmos /
Ludwig, The Holy Blade ///
Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower
Orphan of Kos //
Laurence, The First Vicar //
My first playthrough I was using the Hunter's Axe. I didn't use R2 spam, though; I was just really good at dodging.
It wasn't exactly 20 blood vials each attempt.
>Boss who can be reliably stunlocked until you exhaust your stamina
>Dozens of attempts
I thought she was pretty easy. The only annoying part of her is that the range on her blood attacks is almost impossible to predict until you've just seen them and gotten hit by them.
>gascan a bitch
>Using a fully upgraded DLC weapon on an early game boss
Yeah you really showed his low numbers with your high numbers
Good numbers brah
Yes, exactly. Hated her fucking fight. You forgot to mention velstad almost insta killed you.
I hate fights where you have to wait a lot before actually hitting the boss, that may be one of the reasons I hate bloodborne's giant bosses since their attacks have such a great range.
I liked your insight on the bosses, mind doing the same to shadows of yharnam?
I've had that feeling while looking at mango worm infestations, but just being afraid of holes clustered together? Nah. But phobias aren't rational. Doesn't mean there aren't some dumbshit ones. Saw a lady who was afraid of feathers and one who was afraid of mustard.
>>gascan a bitch
>>Using a fully upgraded DLC weapon on an early game boss
>Yeah you really showed his low numbers with your high numbers
>Good numbers brah
Anon, how do you think I got that weapon?
Speaking of the dlc, I haven't done it yet, is there any worthwhile strength weapons available? Fun ones, not just overpowered ones. Like the sword here. >>324443782
>kill every DLC boss on the first try
>get to Kos and get rekt
That sword is a bow in its tricked farm and basically lets you completely shit on every boss in the game from a distance.
Amygdalan Arm is pretty cool. It's normally a club but when you trick it it's like a whip thing and the arm has a mind of its own and does extra slashes after your hits.
For Str there's also the Whirlgig/Pizza Cutter which is both fun as fuck to use and ridiculously overpowered.
Orphan of Kos killed me for 5 hours on ng+. Fucking hell the attacks came out so fast and parrying most of them was so fucking hard and that second form was basically Bloodborne flipping the table.
It's the only boss where I didn't feel like it was unfair that I was dying so much, that I literally wasn't good enough to beat him.
>It's a chancy fight at times.
i have probably reacted to off screen spider jumps a dozen times or so and been hit by it two or three times, its literally the only thing they can from offscreen so its pretty easy to keep in mind
Yes, I would assume you played through the DLC at a very low level. Very impressive.
But using a weapon after having access to late-game upgrade materials on a boss where you should have, at best, a +3 weapon and saying "this boss is a bitch" is kinda dumb.
Beastcutter is a str version of the cane with range, Whirligig saw is a super stronk pizza cutter/mace, Bloodletter is a fucked out mace with an aoe that frenzies yourself, and the Amygdalan Arm is a hammer that lets you poke fuckers with a big hand.
The Strength weapons in the DLC are pretty much just the Whirlgig Saw, Amygdalan Arm, and the Bloodletter as far as I remember. Both Whirlgig and Amy's Arm are pretty ridiculous. Whirlgig shreds absolutely everything and Amy's Arm has insane stagger in its club form and can knock even most bosses down to the ground with the charged R2 of the tricked version
>use Evelyn to parry
>it misses the target at point blank
Shit's frustrating. Should I just stick to blunderbuss or pistol?
It goes so fucking apeshit in its second phase, he's practically unreadable. He can travel through half the area in a mere second and lightning attack is seriously unpredictable, even landed on me once.
Still a excellent boss though.
It's relatively easy to herd them to one side of Rom and create an opportunity for you to get some hits in
It's way safer to just kill them one at a time though, I don't see how people have trouble with Rom unless they're specifically trying to just kill him as fast as possible while hoping they don't get hit by the spiders
>use blunderbuss to parry
>target fucking dempsi rolls that shit at point blank and wrecks me
>Yes, I would assume you played through the DLC at a very low level. Very impressive.
>But using a weapon after having access to late-game upgrade materials on a boss where you should have, at best, a +3 weapon and saying "this boss is a bitch" is kinda dumb.
Anon, HOW DO YOU THINK I GOT THE FUCKING WEAPON?
You undestand how I got it but you don't understand why you sound like a retard.
If I got an endgame weapon at a low level, then I had to get to the fucking weapon at a low level.
And if I had to get to the fucking weapon at a low level, guess who I had to fight at a low level.
FUCKING GASCOIGNE YOU LITTLE SHIT.
Just because I posted a video of me wearing endgame gear doesn't negate my claim that he's a bitch considering I had to go through him to get to the fucking weapon, are you seriously this retarded that you cannot comprehend this?
You can also get to +6 before fighting gascoigne, but I wouldn't expect someone that's never played the game to know this.
>in b4 I played the game.
If you really had, it wouldn't have been difficult to grasp the concept of having the go through gascoigne to get to the weapon you're complaining me using against him.
>the drop off after getting the Lordvessel
I can't understand why people say DaS gets worse in the second half. Lost Izalith is somewhat undeveloped, yeah, but New Londo and TotG are great.
I really don't know why people went for the spiders. They take like no damage and there's obviously way too many to even motivate you to take them out.
The spiders even move in a certain way that looks like they're defending Rom, rather than actively chasing and attacking you
That doesn't look like his NG+ HP; it looks about the amount of HP he would have on NG with summoned help.
I've never tried it before, but can you not use your small resonant bell in areas where you've already killed the boss? The other guy in that webm is the summoner so he could have gotten the bowblade, gone back to Gascoigne's boss area, then gotten summoned and beat the boss with late-game stuff.
What's the strategy for this fucker? He is currently raping my shit.
how anyone had trouble with this fucker is beyond me, unless you're talking about the chalice dungeon in which the little spiders did more damage to me than rom himself and was in a smaller space
Laurence is the only one that I got real mad at. His attacks are just unfair
in my opinion. I spent longer fighting other bosses like Kos, Ludwig, and BSB, but I ended up liking their fights. I'd like to fight them again, but not Laurence
When he does that buff mid-fight that lets him deflect bullets, it's a free backstab; just go behind him and do a charge attack as soon as he starts it up. Not only is it good damage, but it stops him from getting the buff.
The final boss of Dark Souls 3 should be the animated ash and embers of every Chosen Undead that linked the fire.
>I can't understand why people say DaS gets worse in the second half.
A lot of it is backtracking, story-wise it feels convoluted and tacked on. going through shit you've been through a dozen times for a little extra area at the end just to go through the piss fog.
Also the yellow fog gate bosses are all boring or annoying, fourspics are just a tedious dps race. Izalith is literally RNG death drops, Nito is just a DPS race to see if you can wack him off before the zerg shows up. And the only way seath can even be considered a challenge of any kind is if you decide to diddle his bumhole for glass canon sword. and even that is trivialized if you have some bukkake magic.
Otherwise, you might want to just put him off and come back later if you went to Cainhurst early.
As for the actual fight, either get gud and learn to dodge *into* attacks so you are right next to the guy as he recovers.
Alternatively just stay a moderate distance away from him to bait him into his dash/flying attacks that leave him vulnerable.
Wear equipment with high blood defense.
Stay away from the edges of the roof.
Learn to recognize his melee attacks in order to parry them.
When you're fighting him close-ranged, he has a tendency to use that quick blood skull blast. To circumvent this, dodge to the side if he's facing you in close range.
He has an attack that causes blood swords from the sky to attack you. To stop this, attack the sword that he plants in the ground.
>there's a lamp right outside of Ludwig
thank you big scary cannon man
you can cheese Amy hard if you want to
go behind her to force her to jump -> she will land directly ontop of you with you being in a safe spot if you stand perfectly still as soon as she disappears -> charge an attack with long reach like the tricked axe r2 -> when she comes back down her head will be close to you so you just aim the already charged r2 at the head -> immediately roll through her legs behind her -> repeat
its ridiculously easy that way, you'd have to try to get hit
>final boss of 3 is The Father of Giants
>gatting cahsed by enemies you can't attack and will relentlessly chase after unless you have a specific consumable item is fun
>running through an area full of respawning enemies and is completely dark unless you risk not having a shield is super fun
>It's an ever-swirling vortex of gray ash and glowing embers
>The embers form a crude imitation of a face
>fighting him with an arc build
>all my weapons do fuck all
>relying on viscerals
>even viscerals do fuck all
I think I got him with close to all 20 bullets and that fucker still wasn't dead.
Gee, you're awfully angry anon!
You were summoned for that fight. I assumed that you;
-Continued through the game at a low level, getting the Bowblade
-Returned to the Gascoigne boss vicinity, either in your game or in NG+
-Get summoned to fight Gascoigne in the game of someone in NG, and wipe the floor with him with your high-damage weapons
I don't get what you're confused about, or why you're so worked up about it? You were obviously fighting a NG Gascoigne.
The final boss should be Oscar, but he's all juiced up, and he has six arms, with which he wields Ornstein's Spear, Smough's Hammer, Artorias's sword, the Moonlight Greatsword and a bunch of other weapons, and he can shoot soul spears out of his mouth.
The only one that I honestly struggled on enough to leave an impression was Amelia.
Don't get me wrong, most of the bosses were fun, but Amelia was the only one that ever felt like bashing my head against a wall.
>Summon for Yharnam Shadows
>Run into fire at the beginning of the fight like an idiot
>Feel so embarrassed in front of the co-op partner
>Rush through forest to get back there
>Summon him again
>Waiting at the fog gate
>Can't seem to find him
>He dies to the giant pig that I ran past
I can't stop fucking up
Is it better if I say that I fought him on NG+
Do you want to discuss shit or are you just gonna meme spout?
How can you not understand claiming gascoigne is not a challenge and using a weapon that you get after him are not mutually exclusive.
Your "argument", your only argument. is that I can't claim he's a bitch because I'm using an endgame weapon on him.
But you've clearly never played the game, weapon is affected by stats, not by how far in the story you find it, the fact I'm wearing endgame gear on a level 15 character should be enough to show I clearly have a right to claim he's a bitch, considering I beat him, blood starved, witches, and Amelia, and Simon at level 10 before even upgrading anything or leveling up to bow's base requirements.
But somehow you're getting so assblasted by the fact I'm using the bow and calling gascoigne a bitch that you can't comprehend this, you're literally reducing your argument to the fact that I'm mad at you.
Its not mad, anon, its annoyed, and why wouldn't I be annoyed with you? I literally feel like I'm arguing with a retarded child
I also don't understand why you're dirrecting me to a reply you made to someone else, I know how resonant bells work, and your explanation, none of it, makes literally any difference.
The question is, why are you getting so defensive over the fact someone claims gascoigne is easy? Did you seriously die to him that many times that you can't shut the fuck up once someone calls him easy?
Every weapon scales with Arcane actually. But I meant to imply that weapons have stat requirements before you can hold them and sometimes you find something you're curious about and want to try out
I beat this game a first time and a 2nd time with NG+ and I beat him both times on the first try. I had a WAYYYY harder time with pretty much every other boss in the game, I don't know why people even bring this fucker up.
Even worse. You should be better than this by NG+, Anon.
>still havent started bloodborne
>still working on DS2 DLC
>only a couple of more months until both games become empty
I played Demons souls several years after it was released and it was cool but never getting invaded made it hard to get really excited about it.
Will BB suffer the same fate?
Laurence's last phase is just a cunt. It seems so easy so you let your guard down but then you get stuck in one of his attacks and are dead. He's honestly one of the hardest bosses for me, even after killing him a whole bunch of times I still die occasionally when I can do pretty much everything else with no problem at all
Yeah I really hate his last form. Especially his crawling attack that hits 7 times with little hope of rolling out of if you get knocked down. I try to bait it out when I have a lot of room to run, but sometimes he just never does it until I'm cornered.
I figured out that it's best to stay on his side while he hopelessly crawls -around- you instead of running directly away from it. The most you'll have to worry about then is walking into is lava, which is minimal damage
maybe since you have 3 million blood echoes you should get off your sorry ass, invest in a high vitality (i have 67 and almost never die because of it, yes im aware that is excessive) and get the fucking choir gear on a prior playthrough or anything with arcane resistance for that matter
fuck dude take out the little guys and bash roms ass. i didnt even use fucking fire paper or phantasm shell and i had no issues my first god damn attempt and it was my first fromsoft game.
Saying a boss is easy is one thing.
Saying a boss is easy to the tune of a webm where you use a weapon (upgraded well-past what it should be for fighting NG Gasoigne) and a partner to stunlock them to death is another thing. It's being presented as evidence that the boss is easy, but really it's just evidence that you came back to an early-game boss with late-game upgraded weapons.
Perhaps a webm of repeatedly countering and visceraling him would be better evidence of him being easy, which you can actually do at a low level. Or fighting him and never getting hit. Stuff like that. Saying "this boss is a bitch" and posting your own webm of you winning easily because you were using a high damage weapon on an early game boss doesn't demonstrate your own skill or the bosses easiness. Scaling is important, but it's not so important that you couldn't make quick work of an early-game boss with a +9/10 weapon at base-requirements.
>But you've clearly never played the game
You have to realize this insult mostly just makes you look silly and kind of crazy. I have played the game, so the more you insist I haven't, the crazier you seem.
>Saying a boss is easy is one thing.
>Saying a boss is easy to the tune of a webm where you use a weapon
And you don't see why I'm annoyed by you? I've literally replied to and explained this four fucking times to you, did you drink fucking bleach when you were five? Why are you this retarded? HOW DO YOU FUCKING BREATHE!?
Yea, Chalice Rom is a total cunt. It is funny how in the normal version you are supposed to just run past all the spiders and be fast enough through each phase, whereas the Chalice version I am pretty sure you have to carefully kill all the spiders between each phase while dodging the meteors.
>You have to realize this insult mostly just makes you look silly and kind of crazy. I have played the game, so the more you insist I haven't, the crazier you seem.
That's a pretty high and mighty stance for someone who keeps falling back to "u mad" argument.
Rom is the absolute easiest boss in Bloodborne, and I tent to be a scrub in Souls games.
I even stuck around to be summoned for the fight multiple times, to verify it wasn't luck or some shit.
you've got to be kidding me. that was like the only chalice dungeon i ever did but I beat that faggot in two tries. basically every other boss took me 10+ tries to solo.
guess i could have been over leveled tho
Hunters Axe 2-handed charge attack is OP as FUCK. Just level up Strength/Skill (both eventually) up to 25 and let it carry you through the entire game or until you find another weapon that has a good vibe with you. Since it hits twice, there are *very* few enemies in the game that the whirlywhirl won't stagger, and you can abuse the range to cheese basically every enemy in the game, (and even some bosses, like Vicar).
>You can also get to +6 before fighting gascoigne, but I wouldn't expect someone that's never played the game to know this.
how? where do you get twin bloodstone shards that early?
>a lot of bosses had huge sweeps
Half the bosses in DaS2 were some variation of a giant with a three swing sweep pattern. They usually had a minor accompanying mechanic, but that was the bulk of it. It's less poorly developed, and more underdeveloped.
I think Micolash was the most disappointing boss in Bloodborne. For the Host of the nightmare you expected a devious and cunning man; instead what we got was a bitch who just ran around in circles giving lessons on pronunciation
>farming chalice rom for nourishing gems
That extra 0.2% is so not worth it.
>Lady Maria that high
>Eby and Laurence that low
am I the only one who has no problem of smaller humanoid enemies but just cannot into these large beasts like Laurence/Amelia/Ludwig/Ebby?
He's a waifufag who unlocked a portal to the nightmare dimension. He clearly wants to fuck Kos
or some say Kosm.
You don't even need a fast weapon. 99% of the time he'll either try to tentacle rape you or punch you if you're up close, and Infinity Big Bang Storm can be dodged easily by stepping in AFTER it fires off.
>Is it insight that determines if you can see them or not?
It determines whether or not she can summon her minions, I believe. So basically you just run up to her and hammer her face with your dick until she dies.
All of the magic bolts will land behind you. It took me a few playthroughs before I figured it out myself, though that's mainly because it was after the DLC came out and I wanted to try a bow build.
New Londo is great but it's a pre-lordvessel area really
ToTG isn't that great, neat concept but it's very linear and exploration is essential for dark spoopy areas like that, Catacombs is GOAT but is also pre-lordvessel
Archives is shit except for the prison area
Crystal Caves are shit
Demons Ruins and Izalith are super shit
Let's not forget that there is no great boss in post-lordvessel either. We got:
>"unskippable cutscene you just want to get over with"-tier "bossfight" in dukes against seath
>fighting seath again in Crystal Caves and he is again shit
>A fucking red asylum demon
>A fucking centipede
4kings is the only decent one, and even they don't really compare to the fights of the first half.
>I just want you to know that I'm here to tell you that nobody cares, I don't care, I will literally not even reply to you.
wew lad maybe you should tune down that autism to 5 and go fuck yourself
>Its not mad, anon
>did you drink fucking bleach when you were five? Why are you this retarded? HOW DO YOU FUCKING BREATHE!?
I get that "u mad" is a meme, but there's only so many ways you can phrase it when someone is clearly very worked up. You're not even arguing at this point, and I doubt you even read my full post.
Let me put this in the simplest way possible; to bring Simon's Bowblade back to help someone beat a NG Gascoigne, you must have beaten Gascoigne at a low-level with regular, un-upgraded equipment. Good for you! You must then have beaten Maria and possibly all the bosses at this low level, and then gone back with your Bowblade. Impressive!
Now, your thinking is that this gives you the "right" to say that anything you beat at that low level is easy. But you didn't post a webm of you in a fair fight with Gascoigne, beating him with your skill and timing. You posted a webm of you mashing R1 with an upgraded weapon and a teammate. The location of the weapon in a late-part of the DLC is irrelevant; the location of the weapon at a point in the game when you have access to chunks and rocks, however, is important, because it let you upgrade it to the point where wailing on him a bit made him die. It is not evidence that the boss is easy, or that you had an easy time with the boss on any preceding runs. I'm not saying you're bad at Bloodborne if that's what's getting you worked up, I'm just saying that you haven't presented any real evidence that you're good. The only evidence here is a webm of you cheesing a boss.
It's really not high and mighty at all. I just played the game. If he said "you suck at the game" and I said he was crazy for implying that, that'd be kind of high and mighty, because it would imply I think I'm better than him and most players. But if it's a yes/no thing like "did you play the game," I know he's 100% wrong every time he says it.
That's not a phobia. There's a part of everyone's brain that reacts to that specific pattern instinctually. You aren't a special snowflake. It's like how you feel your skin crawl when you see a ton of ants crawling around.
>heh this will be simple, everyone says its the easiest boss
>jumps into a room with two adds
>r1 spam adds to death
>he fucking parries me with augur of ebrietas
I felt like a fucking retard
especially after the next try I just ran in and killed the two enemies before he even entered it himself
That's what I love about it, he's not even close to reaching the level of understanding he's after but he's so enraptured by his devotion that he's lost control. He's an absolute ideological zealot, it's so fucking good.
Yeah, I had to play up to Rom to get one worth duping.
So why do Soulsfags defend Rom as an example of good boss design but hate any example of multi-boss fights in Dark Souls 2?
Doesn't Rom suffer from the same flaw that Dark Souls 2 bosses often have of being difficult only by virtue of being swarmed by large numbers?
I haven't played Bloodborne. And I quit Dark Souls 2 halfway through after beating the four Lord Soul rip-offs because the game got fucking boring. But I looked at videos of the Rom boss fight and it seems like the tactics is no different from fighting Duke's Dear Freja.
So why is Rom praised? I guess the setting is cool.
>mfw the Whirligig
The memest weapon ever and I love it.
I'm not very far in, I've just made it to Forbidden Woods and haven't beaten Blood Starved Beast
Should I bother with the Blades of Mercy questline? I'm using the cane right now and it seems to be fucking shit up reasonably well
Should I upgrade this more, or save my items for the Blades?
Aggressiveness is rewarded, but you gotta be smart about when to be aggressive. When you just run in hammering away at Rom while dozens of spiders surround you, you're not going to be rewarded
>So why do Soulsfags defend Rom as an example of good boss design but hate any example of multi-boss fights in Dark Souls 2?
What you're seeing is differing opinions, not incongruity.
I can't think of anyone that says that Rom's fight is an example of good boss design. I'll readily admit that I'm a Soulsfag, but Rom is one of my least favorite fights. I'd say it's tedious more than anything else.
It's better to stick with a weapon you know, than a good weapon that you suck at. Just get it when you get it, and upgrade it if you like it. You'll have to go through a pretty tough Hunter miniboss to finish the quest
>hammer her face with your Dick till she dies
He's also got that attack that fills the bottom of the arena with sludge that quickly kills you. The hardest part about that was that it wasn't clear it covers everything up to the steps and not just where the coloured patches are.
>upgrade this more, or save my items
You're going to have too many upgrade materials eventually. Don't worry about it, you'll be able to farm the normal shards and twin shard materials pretty soon.
>I've just made it to Forbidden Woods
Forbidden Woods has a boatload of twin shards. Feel free to upgrade your cane to +6, you'll have plenty to spare. I think you can kill Eileen to get the badge (to buy the blades) at any time, but if you want to finish the questline, the final stage happens around the point in the game when you start to get a lot of chunks. So I'd say get to that point, get your blade up to +6, then see which one you prefer and dump your chunks into that one.
when you dont have a high regain weapon and didnt invest in vit then it's hard.
It's also hard of you are too scared of those little legs hitting you.
He has 2 phases. The second phase he'll start shifting his head around to where you are so there's no inactive side you can abuse.
But you know, I was running around from the fireballs when I saw the staircase to the bellmaidens. Which doesn't punish you from killing their easy asses. After which it's against a slow HP meatsack that occasionally drops large easy to dodge attacks
It depends on luck in the first phase. If you are in NG you can rush to phase 2 because of lower health pools.
In NG+ you might start seeing him do a falling 5 hit combo, or him leaping at you horizontally.
>I get that "u mad" is a meme, but there's only so many ways you can phrase it when someone is clearly very worked up.
Why point it out? You're trying to take the high ground, right? "u mad" relinquishes you of any possibility of that because you just prove you're more interested in provoking a person than discussing something with them.
>It's really not high and mighty at all. I just played the game. If he said "you suck at the game" and I said he was crazy for implying that
Crazy? kind of like you repeatedly arguing that just because I posted a webm of gascoigne with bowblade I'm not allowed to say he's easy? Have you ever considered that I've not saved me beating him the first time because I'ts 2016, and He's been beaten by level 10 people with an unupgraded axe countless times and there are enough videos of it online?
>Let me put this in the simplest way possible; to bring Simon's Bowblade back to help someone beat a NG Gascoigne, you must have beaten Gascoigne at a low-level with regular, un-upgraded equipment. Good for you! You must then have beaten Maria and possibly all the bosses at this low level, and then gone back with your Bowblade. Impressive!
You only need to beat gascoigne, Cleric, and Amelia. Once you're in the Hunter's Nightmare you can kill Simon for the bow right there.
>Now, your thinking is that this gives you the "right" to say that anything you beat at that low level is easy. But you didn't post a webm of you in a fair fight with Gascoigne, beating him with your skill and timing.
See this is the part where I start getting annoyed, I said gascoigne is a bitch, right? If someone says something is easy, would they really need "timing and skill"? You keep acting like I have no right to claim he's easy because I'm not what, tricky enough? He's staggered by a breeze, dude.
I'm annoyed because you keep acting like none can say something is easy unless they post a flawlessly exploiting iframes while countering every hit vid.
There's some frenzied coldblood on the roof on one of the houses where you fight the rifle spear and tonitrus hunter. Rom's is better sure but I think it's good to know for early game.
Yeah, 8 was manageable for a while but fuck it'll only slow you down. I wish I'd had some of the higher level chalice coldbloods, it would have saved me hours. But, shit, I did it.
I'll admit, the AoEs on his slams in his first form swearing at myself for getting hit by them. I think the second form is more intense because you've knocked him under 50% and are more prone to making mistakes by taking chances to kill him faster.
>mfw don't follow rappers at all and don't get this meme, i.e. can't be part of the fun
>Dark Souls 2 combines enemy swarms with a boss that can be a decent challenge on its own
Duke's Dear Freja? A decent challenge on its own? You mean the boss that has only like 3-4 attacks that take about a year each to telegraph? The one where half the fight it spends either shooting super easy to avoid lasers or slowly stomping some of its legs?
Oh, fuck me.
>HAD ME swearing at myself
Anyways, this has been a rather nice thread: A few yelling matches here and there, but there's been a few good conversations about the game.
A haven, yea, but it must fall 'ere we be saved.
I will never understand people complaining about Freja.
She is the textbook example of the boring, overly huge "come rape my faggot face repeatedly" bosses every game in this series has.
Sounds like you fucked your stats and didn't put enough VIT in. You should not be getting one shot by the spiders. But it's also your fault for getting hit by them in the first place
He tends to do it if you're directly below his "head"
>dies in less than a minute
Did you see the video of him getting destroyed in less than 20 seconds? Jesus, it was sundowner all over again.
Parrying him was the fun part, though. Bashed my head against him so long that I ran out of vials, so rather than grind for them I went full Daigo. Used the runes that deal extra damage and heal viscerals, and that shit made me feel like a hero when I got that last parry. Did the same for Maria, too.
I'm not very good at BB.
>People had trouble on Rom the Vacuous
Is this a dank meme that I'm unaware of or something? I fucking sucked at this game. I got my shit handed to me by Father Gascoigne Vicar Amelia, I got my shit handed to me by the Blood-starved Beast, I got my shit handed to me by Darkbeast Paarl, I got my shit handed to me by the Shadows of Yharnam.
I beat Rom in my first attempt, by killing all her spiders before attacking her again whenever she summoned them. They're fucking easy to single out so you can get behind the loner and kill it. And if Rom was supposed to be harder in the chalice dungeon or something, I slapped her shit even harder there. After Rom, every boss became fucking Easy Mode.
i find it difficult to believe that you werent killed by her explosion or something from straight up not knowing the attacks
unless you went in way overleveled or saw all the attacks beforehand
rom isnt very hard but if you dont know what can happen it just seems like you'd die once or twice to headdives or explosions or something
How does the scaling work in the game? When I first started one strong hit from my Threaded Cane would take villagers down to a couple hp. 15 levels into Skill later the same attack still wont 1 hit them
Am I doing something wrong? Leveling up feels kind of pointless
>how about this one is dozens of enemies that can all 1 hit you!
If Rom or her kin can 1 hit you, your vit is way too fucking low.
Honestly, Rom is seriously the easiest boss on NG.
It's only on NG+ that she becomes hard.
You can run up to him and get a free backstab while he is doing that. Figured that one out in the fight that I beat him. Even if the lightening hits you, you'll be invincible from the visceral i-frames if you do it right.
It feels like it isn't doing *any* more damage.
Like I said at the beginning I could *almost* 1 hit a villager, and many levels later i can still *almost* 1 hit them.
Can I keep leveling until I can 1 hit them or will they just level up alongside me?
>It feels like it isn't doing *any* more damage.
Nor will it until you've hit the point of diminishing returns. Use a weapon with higher damage if you are worried about your damage.
>Why point it out?
Because I guess I have the naive belief that video games can be discussed calmly and rationally. The kind of discussion where accusations of mental retardation and bleach drinking aren't thrown in every other line, then it's just angry shit-flinging. Like I said, I get that it's a meme, and the moment you insinuate that someone should calm down it becomes "Oh, they're using the 'u mad' meme" but really I just want a nice discussion. I think it's a bit ironic that the guy who called me a "retarded child" is saying that I'm the one "interested in provoking" them by saying calm down.
>You only need to beat gascoigne, Cleric, and Amelia. Once you're in the Hunter's Nightmare you can kill Simon for the bow right there.
Oh, I didn't think of killing him, I was thinking his questline. Although that actually makes it a bit less impressive, I can't beat Ludwig at that level. Why Cleric, though?
>He's staggered by a breeze, dude.
He does get staggered, but usually the stagger is enough for you to get a few hits, which takes off some of his health, then you probably run out of stamina and back off and do it again. I mean, that's most Soulsborne bosses; wait for an opening, get a few hits in. The difference is that here, your single flurry of attacks was enough to kill him before he could even change phases.
I'm not saying he's a hard fight. I don't care that you implied that he's an easy boss. I don't doubt that you could beat him easily under normal circumstances. But to say he's an easy boss and then post a webm of you beating him with some clear unfair advantages, it makes it seem like you're presenting that as evidence that he's easy. That's just how this started; you said a boss was easy, and it was accompanied by a webm of you beating them in a few hits thanks to upgraded weaponry. It just rubbed me the wrong way, so I said something.
If you actually want to talk about dumb bosses look at old yharnam
>"we need an idea for am enemy"
>"FUCKING BRILLIANT! But we need more then that. What other enemiea can we make?"
"ummm a werewolf with a bedsheet over it's head?"
>"HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU ARE GETTING A RAISE! Any idea for the boss of the area?"
"a bigger werewolf with a bed sheet over it's head?"
>"you know what. Here are the keys to my house. I want you to go and fuck my wife. You are absolutely brilliant you son of a bitch"
Which one? FR or NF?
I tried doing the FC one but this was right when the DLC came out and I didn't know how to use it and I did horribly.
But then got my shit a bit together and built another character around it.
Level 15 and pushed her shit in.
I remember when BB just came out, I was like level 65~ before I was able to take her down.
Though in all fairness that was with Ludwig's.
But Simon's really trivializes pretty much every boss, they've done nothing to balance out the bosses for a ranged primary. Though I suppose someone rushing to the DLC at level 15 and fighting Simon for the bow then continuing through the game probably wasn't high on their list of concerns.
>had nothing but trouble with BSB, died at least 10 times before I beat it
>almost everything else since then has been either beaten on first try or 1-2 deaths
I'm still stuck on Bloody Crow of Cainhurst though.
Best Star Trek Series imho
pic related, the only boss fight I had serious trouble with in the Souls series, this took me literal days to beat.
>mfw wrecking her shit with muh trusty red iron twinblade
Still my all time favorite weapon in any Souls game
It is Rom. Maybe from a different time, hence the longer legs. It's also responsible for reviving the Vileblood Queen upon her death, but i'm not sure how that ties in, or why it's in Ebrietas' altar.
The Knight set. You find it in cainhurst behind some bookshelves in a room you drop down through from the library window.
Though it doesn't look as vivid or as good on male characters.
Maria's set isn't even close to red, how can you confuse them?
>and then post a webm of you beating him with some clear unfair advantages
Not the person you responded to, but I saw this and it made me baffled. Since when is using something in the game a "clear" and "unfair" advantage? If it's in the game and the game allows it, it's about as fair as you can get. Whether that is using allies or using a fully upgraded weapon on an early game boss or any strategy like that.
If the devs thought it was wrong or "unfair" for you to use end-game/fully-upgraded weapons on starter-level bosses, then they should have implemented some sort of scaling mechanic that either increases the damage and health of the boss according to your gear OR weakens your gear to do less damage on the boss.
You know, just like how players scale to hosts during multiplayer. But the devs didn't do that. The devs could have done a million and one things to ensure that you weren't overpowered in any given PvE encounter. But again, they didn't do that. So there's nothing "unfair" here. It's in the game.
No, really. I like her so much. If you saw her in real
life you'd shit yourself. Drawing from lovecraft, I believe the dropped the ball on boss design, more should look like otherworldly shit but what do we get?
A screeching goat
A she wolf thing
Rom's okay on looks
One reborn is a nit mundane but passes forvsheer fright factor
A madman with retarded headgear
An animated shroud
Moon presence is allright
Is this a meme again?
No really, how could you confuse the two? They're not the same shape or the same color.
Most of the armors in souls game look slightly different on females, sometimes completely changing the look.
I still haven't gotten how Mirdan Set from Demon's souls gave females basically full plate while male only had chest and shoulders.
I also like that you're stomping "gods", crushing the impossible really gets me going. You should be an insect to AMYGDALA, yet at the end of the day your boot ends on her mangled neck.
I just focus on dodging until he starts walking. When he does that, he's just trying to get close enough for an attack, so you can hit him for free once or twice before he goes back to rolling.
It doesn't seem like it, but it's perfectly viable to take your time. He only has one blood vial
Well, it is valid and possible. It might not be cheating, to summon and and use upgraded equipment or level yourself, but I'd like to think that the developers had some level in mind when they design bosses, a rough estimate that they can balance the boss' damage and health around. You CAN go way above this, or below it, but I wouldn't say it's always a fair fight, and unfortunately it's quite easy to level your way out of a challenging encounter.
Also, upgrade materials are strategically placed so that you should only have certain upgrade levels at certain points. So, if you search around central Yharnam, you can get a weapon to +3 for Gascoigne (the guy I'm talking with said you can get it to +6, but I'm not sure what twin shards he's talking about), after Gascoigne shards become common to upgrade more stuff, then you can get up to +6 before fighting Amelia. After Amelia twin shards become common to upgrade more stuff, etc. It's not an absolute system, but I'm pretty sure the devs balance bosses around certain levels and upgrade levels.
I meant the DaS 1 version of it, not BKGS
I feel like the devs just included the DLC weapons without balancing enemies around them.
As a result, all enemies just don't know how to deal with the bowblade.
I haven't used it much, but I've seen a number of videos of people just absolutely destroying bosses like Lawrence and Amygdala with the bowblade without any effort. They literally just kite and spam arrows and sacrifice a bit of health whenever their ammo is low so that they can get the ammo back.
Like Amygdala was just standing there, taking arrow shots to the head and could barely do anything to damage the player.
The same, I think, applies to weapons like the pizza cutter. They clearly just designed those weapons without any regard for how they might break the game.
>mfw cheesing CD Amygdyalla with +7 Bowblade
why is it such a fun weapon?
He almost literally never leaps if you stay close to him. Every other attack of his has EXTREMELY obvious telegraphs and is laughably fucking easy to avoid. His bites ALWAYS go in a certain sequence and you can always bait them (by moving in to trigger the next bite then moving out to not get hit) and get free hits on his snout when he finishes. You can avoid almost all of his attacks just by fucking walking. Hell, if you suck enough dicks you can just lame it out and wait for his lava-vomit attack over and over again to get literally zero-risk, easy-as-fuck hits in. He is so ridiculously easy I'm surprised anyone has trouble with him at all, much less that some people consider him one of the hardest bosses in the game. He is one of the few bosses I can consistently beat without healing or shooting at all. All you need is to have just a LITTLE patience. That's literally all it takes to beat him, just the TINIEST amount of patience.