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Been watching some Alpha gameplay on Twitch for this. It looks pretty freaking legit if you ask me. Who's excited for Legion?
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I want to play it, but I know it will be shit
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>>324382301
Pretty much this.
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>14 button classes
>legit

This is the new-age Blizzdrone, everyone.
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>>324382595
Maybe it's too easy, but I meant the graphics have improved and the new environments/character designs look really good
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>>324382301
More like it will be THE shit am I right
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>>324382785

kill yourself blizzcuck
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GETTING EVERY QUEST REWARD YOU EVER GOT OFFERED ON EVERY CHARACTER EVER, FOR
F
R
E
E

i love playing dress-up, its a shame all their design is ugly as sin
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>>324383045
your age was single digits when vanilla released kiddo
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>>324384081

u wot m8?
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>don't give a shit about Broken Isles or end game because Blizzard is going to fuck it up just like WoD
>still hype for some class retoolings, like Frost, Outlaw, and Survival

Fuck.
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>>324384487
so he was the target audience
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>>324382153
>It looks pretty freaking legit if you ask me.

Do people still talk like this?
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>>324382301
I want to shit it, but I know it will be play
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>>324382153
We thought WoD was legit too, and the world and quests were, but there was no content to back it up. legion is going to look legit til 4 months after its release and blizzard makes and update taht gives you a new selfy cam. Learn from previous expansions friend, it doesnt matter how legit it looks if it isnt supported and doesnt have content updates its going to be a bad game. And this is something we can only truly tell after the game comes out.
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>>324384565

The new transmog system creates a library of every item you own and lets you select any item freely like in Diablo III.

It will also add every item from every quest you've ever done to that library, including quest rewards you didn't pick.
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>>324382301
This. If Blizzard had so many great ideas, they would have already implemented them into WoD already. The expansion that felt dead from day one.
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what if kilroggs vision was actually true and khadgar will go out with a blast?
would be pretty nice to get rid of a gary stu
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>>324386875
>including quest rewards you didn't pick
Source?
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>>324387196

Google or Youtube the blizzcon announcements nigger, I don't give a shit if you believe me or not.
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>>324387121

> implying he won't get corrupted
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>>324387291
I already read them and I know you will automatically get the appearances of rewards from quests, but I thought you only get the rewards you chose.
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Old god expansion when?
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freaking
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>>324387705

Don't have a source but it was in a huge recap from or after Blizzcon on MMO-Champion.

It's probably the simplest way for them to handle the situation since they can check what quests you've finished but not neccessarily what reward you picked.
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>>324384605
Did the timelines end up merging?

Cause how is Guldan from new timeline going to go to the broken isles in our timeline to get the eye of sargeras when he already tried to get it in our original one and died so illidan went and got it?
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>It looks pretty freaking legit
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>>324382785
>it looks pretty

so fucking what. I would rather continue to play Oldschool Runescape than a pretty piece of shit
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>>324388095
WoD took place in an alternate universe, and that Guldan is sent cross-universe like you were to the Tomb of Sargeras and go act out the Big Plan™ to invade Azeroth.

Since he goes full demon, he isn't going to stay dead anymore
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>>324382153
>2016
>Excited for WoW
>Excited to pay 45$ for an expansion after 1 year of 0 content paying 15$ per month.
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>>324388319
Man they really opened up a bad can of worms with this time travel shit
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>>324382153
>"it looks legit"
>Bloodtanks went from being the most OP shit to having fucking downtimes were they literally do nothing for 6-10 seconds cause of shitt rune reg
>Guardian druids are somehow even easier to play now and the most OP tank class thanks to their passives and 3-button rotation
>DH tanks are the new paper tanks
>Warriors are atleast ok
Even if "ITS JUST ALPHA" its still tedious as fuck how they balance shit.
I wont hold my breath for BM monks but kinda optimistic for Guardian Pala when they get implented to the alpha.
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>>324388319
whats next, that autistic fan fic time traveling worgen who killed arthas a thousand times becomes reality too?
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Class balance aside, I've enjoyed the 3 zones they have up so far.

Highmountain is comfy as fuck.
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>>324384605

What are the changes to Frost? I know they're becoming the dual wield spec for Death Knights but that's about it.
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I just want them to call it a day on WoW and release a WoW 2 already.

It will probably be the first expansion pack I don't play though, not cause it will be shit - I quite liked the last one - but mainly most of my friends from vanill/TBC/WotLK no longer player, including my guild leader who was one of my best pals.

We're getting old, he eventually quit to spend more time with his family.
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>frost mage
>no longer gets frostbolt

why tho...
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>>324388816
Playing it from 100-106, it feels a bit like the pre-DS style of frost. KM only affects Oblit now and the GCD is affected by haste instead of the flat 1 second one we have now. HB is also really overtuned atm, especially with the Freezing Fog talent that does 100% more damage to your primary target.

It feels really awful with the premade gear due to low haste, but felt a lot better with around 4500 haste in questing gear.
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>>324388545
WoD was a mistake. Everyone saw this coming. The story was going to shit the bed harder than it ever shit it before. It was going to surpass "THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A LICH KING" levels of retardation.

Lo and behold, there is never anything good to come from time travel if it isn't the main setting and point of the plot.

>>324388816
Killing Machine now only works for Obliterate, giving Obliterate some good precedence to use to proc Rime. The talents ease out Frost's overall gameplay, and make it more than possible for 2H to work like DW purely aesthetically post Legion (Unless Blizzard goes full retard like they did with Blood DW), and they made Remorseless Winter into a pretty cool spell with some additional stuff you can choose to boost it.

No more KM fucking up your rotation, no more having to prioritize Oblit or Frost Strike randomly thanks to KM being completely random, no more reliance on Defile, no more insane downtime, better rune regeneration and handling, etc.
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No.
just quit wow last week.

it fucking hurts , i will miss my warlock, but well , destro is going to SHIT in legion...
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>>324389068
It just feels so good to not have to spam HB nonstop even on single target anymore. I always enjoyed the WoTLK/Cata style of frost.
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Tfw you have always enjoyed WoW from vanilla to now. People exaggerate way to much about how "shit" or "bad" the game is.
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>>324382153
I don't give a shit, no amount of expansions will repair the damage that Cataclysm and WoD made, call me when they make legacy Vanilla/TBC/WoTLK servers, until then I'm keeping Nostalrius and occasional SJ Wars 2
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>>324389485
No you just have no taste
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>>324389265
>Icy Talons
>Murderous Efficiency
>Icecap or Avalanche
>Abomination's Might
>Permafrost
>Frozen Pulse/Gathering Storm
>Obliteration
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I will play as if there are no Garrisons and crafting is back to not being absolute shit.
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>>324384487

I was 13 when vanilla was released. Get fucked, retard.
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>>324382153
How much are you paid to post on this board?
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>>324390241
>no Garrisons
yeah....about that...
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>>324390413
probably in golds too so he can afford monthly sub lel
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>>324390478
This can't be real. Please let this be real.
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>>324389680

Got a link to where I can find the new talents?
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>>324389485

I think the game is actually very fun to play right now, there is just no content. There has always been a very legitimate gripe with the game, the current gripe most have, no or little content, is a very valid one. We have reached the emblem of frost stage like from WOTLK where geared or good players farm old instances for currency, or in reality to populate the pool of LFR/LFG groups so worse or newer players get carries. At least (most) of the other expansions added some new instances as time went on. Even if they weren't challenging to people in good gear they were new content. But BRF was ready to go on day one of WoD, and they held off for 6.1 to release it. When an entire expansion really only gets one patch of any significance, it is pretty shitty and lazier than they have ever been. As bad as dragon soul was- and it was pretty fucking bad- at least there were a few other things added you could do besides raid.

Another very valid gripe is Ashran and how totally shit it is. Seriously, most of the WPVP zones have been fun, ashran is terrible.

Both PVPers and PVEers should feel a little disenfranchised. I personally hate that more than ever before there is nearly zero reason to go out in the world. MOP pleasantly surprised me in contrast, I found tons of world pvp and shit to do out in the world.

I will stay subbed because I am so far in I don't want to drop out- and it's how I stay in touch with longtime friends- but I really don't have much hope legion will be good.
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>>324390478
>>324390598

>yfw Legion is just WoD with pruning on maximum
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>>324390598
You think you can escape faggot? Face the bloodshed
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>>324390598
Its real, and you get followers when doing quests just like in WoD.

Order Halls are the new Garrisons complete with their own daily quests but with yellow icons cause of blue cause "reasons".
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>>324390940
>>324390907
>>324390789
D E A D
G
A
M
E

i mean holy shit, blizzard is the only company i know who LITERALLY NEVER learn from their mistakes
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>>324390721
http://legion.wowhead.com/talent#Mkx
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I might get back when they go f2p, but it's retarded to play a subscription nowadays due to the great alternatives there are.

>but muh tokens!
gold farming bots are still around, so there the economy if always fucked. Don't plan on farming for a couple hours each day just to play a game.

They make shitloads on the store already, just end the monthly fees and the game will be alive again.
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Assuming this expansion was good when it comes out, would soemone who has never played WOW like it? Anytime I hear them added something to WOW it just seems like they are trying to get old players back while alienating new players more and more.
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STOP POSTING IN THIS SHILL THREAD

REPORT SHILL THREADS

HIDE SHILL THREADS
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but is crafting still autismo like wod?
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I can't even force myself to show any interest in it, everything past Wotlk is so fucking mediocre and boring. And even Wotlk was shit compared to vanilla and BC.
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>>324391329
Legion is nostalgia pandering but I don't see how it alienates new players.

Most lore figures are explained through quest leveling which you're going to be doing as a new player anyway.

Talents and abilities have been completely streamlined the last 3 expacs making the game even easier to play.

Quit talking out your ass
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>>324391402
Fucking elves ruining my threads, jesus christ.

I need 500 dollars to feed my kids in my filipino hut, you son of a bitch. Blizzard will provide me withthis. You are an asshole.
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so it's confirmed that mods take money to shill wow threads on /v/, right? it's the only explanation. what the fuck has this place come to?
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>>324382153
>sylvanas "perpetual menstruation" windrunner is now war chief of the horde
>considered a good expansion
i'd rather say fuck off m8
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>>324391329
>alienating new players
WoW is as newfriendly as it gets minus the garrison chain everyone has to go through.

If anything it was worse in Vanilla/early TBC with attunement chains and everyone being forced to go through with gearing up tier by tier (unless you were in a server first guild that could run most shit with 30 people no problem).

And dont get me started on resistance gear farming.
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>>324382153
it's sugar coated shit just like wod
people will go apeshit when they realise garrisons are back
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>>324391641
>new players
>leveling
you mean 100 boosting
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>>324387830
That's the final expansion. Azeroth itself will be the last boss of wow.
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>>324392368
>implying it wont be Metzen, the master of corruption himself
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>>324382153
thats what I like about youtube

I can just satisfy my MMO itch without actually playing the game.
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>>324390789

it actually is pretty much, it's just a fuckload of newcomers and pinkhaired faggots with some of the old (shit) Diablo 3 team pulling the reins and giving us world drop legendaries, they're just dumbing the game down to make their lives easier and funnel resources into the oddly successful piece of shit that is Hearthstone. All the devs who actually had MMO backgrounds and were hired to make WoW what it is either left the company (Pardo) or got put onto other projects like Overwatch (Tigole) - Kosak is objectively WORSE than Metzen for writing, by the way.
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>>324382153
Blizzard hasn't released a good game since they were bought up by Activision

It's fucking sad
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>>324382153
Going to play it.

Know it'll be shit.

I still have fun with new expansion for a month so whatever.
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>>324394069
Didn't Pardo defend the in-game cash shop?
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I am not even sure I would play if the game went free to play :(
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>>324395318
Wouldn't surprise me if he did. He was behind the RMAH in vanilla D3
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>>324395318
Thats Tigole, who even tried to implent a RMAH in TBC.

Pardo was against it:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/micro-transactions-betray-players
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>>324395318

Not to my knowledge, wasn't there and image with Pardo in Tom Cruise.jpg fashion where it shows his departure from the company with shots of his statement in >>324395979 and shots of the mount store?
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>>324395318

>Lead game designer

wow is fucked
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I only do care for Maiev. The Wow lore is just so fucked up it doesn't matter anymore.
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>>324395318
>jay wilson
>in charge of anything
He will kill wow like he almost managed to kill diablo
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I got curious and watched gameplay on twitch and it is literally same old wow.
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It will be the same level of shit that is Warlords of Draenor
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>>324382153
FFXIV HW looks way better than this shit.
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So what are the odds the next FFXIV expac will unfuck the game?
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>>324388193
so much this.

I know im being cliche but i think op is a marketer i really do. We get this thread every ducking day
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>>324400226
4.0 will fix everything by the end of this year
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>>324390478
>Giant Pain
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>frost mages no longer have frostbolt

blizzdrones WILL defend this
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I'm excited as fuck but it's not coming out for at least another 8 months.
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>>324400597
WHAT?
Seriously?
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>>324382153
How the fuck do people defend 12 month long raid tiers?

Hellfire Citadel came out in June 2015, the next major patch won't be out until Q2-Q3 2016 at the earliest.
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>>324400191

> weeb

nah
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>>324401105
yes, the artifact turns frostbolt into whats basically shadowbolt as its baseline talent
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Game died after Ulduar, then picked up at the start of ICC then died again.
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>>324387121
he's not thrall so he's dead
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>>324401105

The frost artifact changes it to "Ebonbolt". It's still gonna function as Frost Bolt and slow people down don't worry...
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>progression back then
>Dungeons, Heroics, small raids, big raids

progression now
>LFR, nomral, heroic, mythic (OF THE SAME RAID)

It's like they found a way to stretch less content for longer and hoped no-one would notice or care.
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>>324382153
t. Blizzard marketer

>Y-y-you guys are going to buy legion right?
>It will be better this time, we promise!
>Blizzard still isn't addressing the core issues and fundamental flaws that make their product.
>looks legit!
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>>324401105
>>324400597

>fire mages lost frostfire bolt in 6.1
>now get locked out of everything
>tooltips and ''how to play'' tabs still include it as part of your rotation
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>>324401598
I dont care about the functionality, why the FUCK are frost mages casting a shadow spell?

just...why

frostbolt is THE spell for frost mages
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>>324401327
>normie wow

nah
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>>324401695
The prot paladin spellbook still says to keep Seal of Truth up even though its gone.

Even worse is that the graphic for Empowered Seals has 3 slots for buffs but prot only has 2 seals :^)
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>>324384605
>actually hyped Survival, the spec that makes literally zero sense being melee except muh vanilla
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>>324401696

you think that's bad. shadow priests are losing shadowform.
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>>324382595
Why do you think that having gorillion more buttons means better?

At least I hope you don't think Vanilla or TBC were more demanding.
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>>324402091
And Devouring Plague :(

I have played an undead spriest since vanilla and Im probably gonna quit if I dont get DP back
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>>324402185
I want to play as a Warrior with different branching combos and abilities, I don't want to play as a dumbed down MOBA character.
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>>324402332
Playing the wrong game, kid.
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>>324402229

They're using ''class flavour/identity'' as a means to mask their pruning, but there's so little left even the droniest of blizzdrones can see shit is going south.

WoW is no longer their little golden child, they can leave it aside and put less effort into games like Hearthshit and Heroes of the are we E-Sports yet? And make ludicrous profits
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Can't wait to play with the same shit but now with a different smell!
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>>324401696
>why the FUCK are frost mages casting a shadow spell?
simple answer: Blizzard is creating the illusion of "big changes" without actually changing anything that matters.
>New Warchief!
>new spell icons!
>Pandaria content is back!
>class halls are hub cities that pretend they arent hub cities!
>artifact weapons are lazy design conveniently masked as a big important change! (just transmog it you turds, lol!)
Every change is one huge hollow gimmick that changes nothing at all.

Meanwhile
>still allows cheating
>still allows many servers to be dead and charges people to relocate to one that isnt.
>still charges a large fee for every service and vanity item that for some reason isn't included in the subscription fee.
>is keeping the CRZ concept
>is keeping LFR
>is keeping the wildly unbalanced racials, instead of implementing them in a less gamebreaking way
>letting Alliance players que as horde because you have no idea how to balance factions and dont even try anymore.
>the whole game moves at a snail's pace and feels like it barely has a support team at all anymore.
>giving up on pvp entirely and scrapping years of developments made to it.
>doing nothing to encourage guild play.
honestly, I could probably keep going if I tried. These are just things that popped in my head from memory.
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>>324402332
WoW got rid of rotations years ago.

Go play FFXIV if you want that.
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So.. what happened to the rogue combat spec?
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>>324402818
I can't believe people actually like rotations. Priority is so much better.
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>>324402946
Rotations =/ Priority
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>>324403015
What?
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>>324382153
Shillbro, I know this is your job but what's the point anymore? No one cares about Warcraft anymore, it's a sinking ship with very few true enthusiasts left. All the real players that still bother with this game are on private servers, playing vanilla wow. Just let it go.
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>legit
>Apart from balancing and slight mechanics changing, literally the same shit we've been playing for over 10 years

WoD was hot garbage, I have no doubt in my mind this will continue the trend

>Months without content
>WE DONT HAVE THE RESOURCES
>THE NEXT EXPANSION WILL FIX E V E R Y T H I N G

I let go long ago, as did what good was left of the community
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>>324402946
Priority is the same thing as rotations except you use an alt rotation under different circumstances.
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>>324402091
>>324402229
rip shadowpriest
i had the urge to buy legion just to see how shadowpriests are doing. Hearing that hurts a little..
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>>324401448

A lot of players forget how great the start of Cataclysm was. Good dugeons/heroics, difficult raids, and story based quests. I know I'm going to get a lot of shit for this...but I actually really enjoyed Vashj'ir. I wish Blizz had explored more underwater content.
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>>324382153
>Who's excited for Legion?

Wait, people actually still play WoW? Last I checked, this game is dead in North America since MOBAs and FFXIV killed it.
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>>324401679
that is exactly what they did and everyone notices

new players buy the game, get an instant 90, level up to 100, do heroics for an hour for the ilvl required for the highest level lfr, they kill the last boss, and they stop playing because they feel like they've beaten the game

thats why its down to like 1 million subs now from 11 million in wrath
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>>324403357
No, rotation is something that's completely set in stone. Priority just tells you what is the most important to use and isn't set in stone as "do it in this order exactly".
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>>324403454
Don't worry anon, the people giving you shit for liking Vashj'r are literal retards.
It was easily the best zone in the entire expansion.
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>>324403719
I liked the zone but fuck questing through it again and again.
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>>324403667
When you're dealing with a group of mobs, do you use your single target abilities or your AoE abilities?

There is an optimal single target rotation and there's an optimal AoE rotation, that's a priority system.
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>>324403428
Shadowpriests have been getting nerfed into the ground steadily since MoP.

I regret even buying MoP and Draenor just to "check" it. They killed that spec and actually dont want people to play it. They hand out massive nerfs one patch and then give a tiny dps buff the next and call it balanced. Even though the class has no mobility and horrible self healing, they still feel its fair to nerf/remove shadowform because "casters shouldn't be tanky."

Just go to youtube, watch how shit the game is and save yourself the money.
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>>324403549

>FFXIV
>Killing anything
>In perpetual state of no content since Heavensward dropped
Prease Understand

I like FF2.5GCD as much as the next guy, but we're long overdue for a new raid/primal/whatever.

It's been said before, the only way WoW will ever die is when blizz themselves pull the plug.
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Post yfw Alleria kills Sylvanas in this expansion
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>>324403882
Uhhh, that's just two separate rotations. Priorities are like procs and shit.
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>>324403549
>FFXIV
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>>324404159
>Priorities are like procs and shit.

wew lad can't wait to press either 1-2 buttons that light up as my addon screams at me what to do next
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>>324382153

Blizzard please stop shilling
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>>324403549
>this game is dead in North America
yep, most people on NA realms are just botting for gold tokens at this point.
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>>324404452
Yes? It's better than set in stone shit where you go from A to Z and start it over again in the same order.

Priorities at least mixes it up.
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>>324404731
good thing ffxiv not only has rotations but branching rotations and priorities.
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>>324404151
Vereesa intervenes
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>>324382153

I haven't played in like a month. I just log in, do garrisons and log out.

If legion sucks (which it probably will) I am completely done. Thinking about playing wow is funner than playing.
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>>324404879
Last time I played it it was hurrdurr learn the rotations go from A-B pop that cd now then go from C-E and pop the other cooldown so now the next time they go off and you get to pop them at the same time! lmaoooo
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>>324382153
The game still looks like garbage fampai. you raid the latest tier, farm the latest currency or reputation, and then AFK until your lockouts reset.
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>>324395318
I was just about to preorder Legion. But since Jay Wilson is the lead designer I'm staying the fuck away. Maybe WoW will be good when it's fixed after WIlson fucks it next year.
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>You'll never have a good WoW thread in /v/
I don't know what's worse, the delusional people that think WoW will crash and burn or the delusional people that think this xpac is the second comming of Christ.
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>>324405385
the good wow threads are usually really late night.
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>do more boring quests
>get to max level
>grind dungeons and raid
>put up with shit pvp

Wow nothing has changed.
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>>324403454
Vash'jir is one of my favorite zones. Honestly, Cataclysm was the only expansion that I wanted to do every quest in every zone, just because they were all pretty cool.

Sure, it sucked having talent trees get cut down so much, but Cata was pretty fun to level through. I never actually had a chance to raid or do anything beyond early heroics due to all my friends quitting though. I still haven't done a Cata raid, and I haven't looked them up because I haven't wanted to spoil them for when I finally get a chance to do them the first time
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>>324405520
>>324405385
The "good" wow threads are literally just jaded nostalgiafags crying about how wow will never be as good as [insert expansion here].
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Anybody want to do 2s for conq?

Im trying to catchup my mage and he still needs his S3 weapon. Im at about 5k for the season.

I have ice nova, deep freeze and poly on my bars so Im basically glad material.
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>>324405385
If anyone can kill WoW it's Jay Wilson, it took 2 years to fix Diablo 3.
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>>324405851
not what i meant but even that's beter than this.
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>>324402818
Doesn't ffxiv have a significantly longer gcd? In wow, even with the 1.5sec base gcd most specs are still pressing something less than 1 sec intervals.
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Is it worth getting back into WoW? I quit playing at the beginning of WoD due to school picking up, but now I have nothing to do. I don't want to pay for it if it's completely shit right now.

I would mainly just PvP if I do get back into it
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>THIS time things are going to be different! I can feel it!

Is there anything more sad than WoW players? You guys are like abused housewives.
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>Game is dead
I still pre-ordered because I'm a blizzardcuck
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>>324390478
wait are they adding garrisons AGAIN? Or what is this screenshot from
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>>324405385
It happens once in a blue moon, as I recall one during this month.

Also, I honestly prefer the formal, as it's always been that WoW was dead since [Insert expansion or base game] while the latter is basically Heavenshills.
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>>324406084
>Implying something being worse than something else isn't said thing being different from the second thing
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>>324382153
for a decade old mmo. Just die already.
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>>324406195
It's an early stage of the new mission system but everyone is going to said "b-but is b-beta"
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>>324400618
so people are gonna do the same raid for another year? lel
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>>324406035
The GCD can be reduced and ffxiv has a lot of abilities that don't trigger the global cooldown.
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>>324382153

only retard fags like you that won't let go, this game is fucking dogshit now, 11 year old stale dogshit.
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All I want now is for Blizzard to implement the sub-race idea people have been wanting and they said they were excited to try. At least one or two options for each race would be cool.

Human get Vrykul and "exotic" humans, maybe slimmer and smooth-bodied.
Dwarf get Dark Iron and Wildhammer tattoos.
Night Elf gets High Elf.
Gnome gets Mechagnome.
Draenei get Broken and Sargerei skins.
Worgen get... something.

Orc get brown, red, and gray skins and different faces.
Troll get the beefier bodies.
Forsaken get some other undead things like elves and such.
Tauren get Taunka.
Blood Elf get Wretched.
Goblin get... something.

Pandaren get Yogi Bear, Humphrey the Bear, and Baloo.
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>>324405385
they used to be good, now every WoW thread is filled with ffxiv dweebs and the most pessimistic people imaginable.
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>>324406408
Best time to sell carries and get rich bro.

>>324406484
They promised that during mop or cata iirc and goblins can get gilgoblins or hobgoblins not to mention taurens can get yaungols and the new legion race of tauren.
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is arms going to be fixed? That's all I care about.
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>>324406623
>is arms going to be fixed?
Never Ever.

Enjoy your MOBA character gameplay.
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>>324406426
So you're upset because WoW happens to be old, but you keep sucking FFXI, Everquest, and other just-as-old MMORPGs' dicks.
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>>324406681

Retardfag thinks you have to play other mmo's to realize WoW has become stale dogshit.
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>>324401448
ICC may have been more of a raid than the tourney was, but it suffered from the same lazy design. There was nothing special about the dungeon layout itself. The bosses were great, but everything else was uninspired crap.
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>>324406325
So the class hubs are basically glorified Garrisons? At this point Blizzard is just trying to kill wow even more to focus on their other (shitty) games. I wonder if they will ever make a good game again... probably not.

it hurts a little
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>>324406484
Worgen can get a touched up version of their Alpha Models

Or just fixed them like they were going to before they had to rush them.
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>MoP
>Everyone gets sick of panda shit, we get Siege of Orgrimmar
>Siege lasts way too god damned long, get tired of Orcs
>WoD happens, get to kill ALL the Orcs this time
>Get sick of Orcs, when can we fight Grom? He's supposed to be the final boss.
>Gul'Dan out of fucking nowhere, Burning Crusade 2 at maximum force
>Sick of demons, longer raid than Siege, lasts longer
>Legion coming out

So, what's the final twist for Legion? Qiraji forces coming back? Naga invasion for Vashj'ir 2.0? Wrathion bringing a second Cataclysm?
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>>324405115
BLM in heavensward is all about priority
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>>324406758
In your opinion.
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>>324403454

I loved the start of cata, then all the fucking casuals cried when they realized they had to CC and interrupt spells in heroics and everything got nerfed.


Fuck I loved heroic deadmines pre-nerf at release, felt like a really big accomplishment that I haven't felt in a while since vanilla/BC in terms of difficulty
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>>324406929
You send followers to collect missions for you then you go with said followers to do the missions.
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>>324402229
>>324402091
>>324403428
shadow priest in legions looks way better than they do now
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I just want professions to matter again.

>>324406986
I'd be okay with some Qiraji/Silithid focus.
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>tfw cracked and bought game time
on the other hand I got the mount from onyxia, so for now I'm sort of positive.
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>>324402818
I miss when characters in MMOs had a bunch of abilities to use that defined their class. Unlike modern WoW where everything is homogenized and you don't even have to take things like positioning or enmity control into account anymore.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XjZvATtq90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21i-QzpkPoI
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>>324407143
Objectively the best flying mount, congrats.
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>>324407029
And by missions you mean Kill x pirates or Gather x orbs?

>>324407074
>I just want professions to matter again.
That's what most people want, but I doubt Blizzard is going to listen.
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>>324407203
>better add le empowering meme that will sure make people agree with me!
lel also even when that guy have some points he's just shitposting about it.
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>>324406986
Wrathion's a confirmed good guy in Legion. Everything he did was to try to get prepared for the Legion's return, but the traitorous bronze dragon and Garrosh going full retard fucked it up. He's also going to help the player in Highmountain and use a Titan time artifact to bring black dragon eggs from the time before his species was corrupted to try to repopulate his kind.

It's beautiful, Wrathion and his husband are now parents.
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>>324382153
do you wanna know how I know you're 14? You say things like "freaking legit"
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>>324390478
>THE NUMBER ONE THING PEOPLE HATED ABOUT WOD
>Blizzard's adding it again

Holy fucking shit, they have absolutely no idea anymore.
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>>324407283
>And by missions you mean Kill x pirates or Gather x orbs?
I think they are not implemented yet.

>>324407371
>Wrathion's a confirmed good guy in Legion
He was always a good guy but his iron horde idea was retarded.
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>>324382153
>It looks pretty freaking legit if you ask me.
Nobody asked you
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I miss buttonbloat craft myself.

I also miss the old talent trees. Shitty cookie cutters that they were, they were still a lot more interesting than the "select an ability" silliness.

Artifacts look retarded as fuck. I'm tired of SWTOR-like "YOU'RE THE ONLY HERO EVER" bullshit being forced into WoW.
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>>324407380
>Implying a 14 yo would know freaking and legit
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Why do people complain about the garrisons so much? You'd sit around doing nothing and reading trade chat no matter where you were at.
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>>324407710
because blizzards design team should not work on ways to make sitting around more rewarding, which is what garrisons are
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>>324389091
Destro already was shit for 2 xpacs... Lowest avg dps spec in the game
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>>324406484
Don't forget Winnie the Pooh for Pandaren!
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>>324407894
>destro was shit in MoP

u fuking WOT

slamming my head on the keyboard for literally millions of damage was good
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>>324406484
I would very much like to be a brown orc.
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>>324407710
Because they become a chore after a while.

Did they at least bring back flying in wod? I haven't played the game since the start of last year.
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>>324406986
>when can we fight Grom? He's supposed to be the final boss.
He was never going to be the final boss. Everyone said that blizzard said he was but nobody ever backed up that claim
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>>324408187
Yes.
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Only people in denial, cleavage streamers, and real streamers that have to pay for their stream are still playing that shitfest.

Fucking game revolves around farming old content
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>>324407710
Garrisons killed gathering professions, made botting a lot easier and prominent, and contributed in killed the "World" in World of Warcraft.
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After I heard they're removing buffs, heals and rez spells from my Ret, I'm thinking about just giving up now. It's been a long time coming, and if Blizz is just going to take away the small joy I get from helping other players, I might as well just fucking leave.
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>>324408210
>Everyone said that blizzard said he was but nobody ever backed up that claim
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Grommash_Hellscream_(alternate_universe)

During the planning stages of Warlords of Draenor, Grommash was intended to be the final boss of the expansion.[12] However, as the story progressed, the developers found this to be an unsatisfying direction that was further exacerbated by Blackrock Foundry being Iron Horde-centered; and having two such raids back-to-back would only further a growing weariness of orcs. So they decided to focus on the more evil and dangerous threat of Gul'dan and the Burning Legion.
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This>>324382301

We all know better by now.

>maybe BC will be good?
>its shit
>maybe WotLK will be good?
>its shit
>maybe Cata will be good?
>its even more shit
>maybe MoP will be good?
>its shit
>maybe WoD will be good?
>its the absolute worst

Nope, can safely say Legion will follow the trend of being complete shit.
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>>324408296

Garrisons were made to appease webfags because blizzard was out of ideas of what to offer and it was also to hurt botting.

Then they introduce a fucking fish that can make you 20k from botting 8 hours while sleeping, lawl.
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>>324402185

I've always played an Arms warrior. I quit for a while and came back a couple months ago just to check out the zones because I enjoyed WarCraft 1 & 2 lore. During a dungeon (which are all braindead) the tank pulled half the place and died, so I equipped a sword and shield and prepared to jump into defensive stance to pick things up. To my surprise, all of the abilities that would have allowed me to do so were unavailable and apparently locked behind choosing Protection as your specialization.

While I agree that pruning abilities that do nothing was a good choice, they've really gone too far in that direction. Playing Arms right now boils down to "Colossus Smash, Mortal Strike, spam whirlwhind until the first two are off cooldown."
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>>324408486
*weabfags
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The thing that pisses me off most about the Order Halls, Is that you can't interact with anyone outside of your faction.
I get why they did it, because of discrimination based on race/faction.
They wanted us to feel like we were the last hopes, in a place where every member of our class has banded together to fight against the invasion.
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>>324408402
>heals
get fucked, if the hybrid tax is gone so should hybrid healing
>rez spells
literally who cares
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>>324408486
What fish is that? Because I'll go bot that shit right now
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>>324408486
Which fish?
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Why do people act like there's still something to ruin with this game? As if an 11 year old MMO is redeemable.
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>>324408624
You sound like the kind of unhelpful shit player that Blizz is appeasing to. Go fuck yourself.
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>>324408402
>ret paladins have tyrael might now and a combat mount
>muh heals
you're a faggot
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>>324406484
These would be pretty cool, but they are not gonna do it because of some lore reasons. But they would be still cool, maybe some cosmetic spells or something. But we already got some shitty toys with 10min timer and 2h cd.

I just want to be Mogu...
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>Tfw Blizzard killed WoW
>MMOs are all dead except for FFXIV and EVE
>We will never return to the glorious era of MMORPGs
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>>324408443
>everything that's not the original is shit!

I bet you cried and screamed like a baby when patch 1.0.1 was released.
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>>324408402
Rets are the only paladins with blessing now also you shouldn't ask this kind of shit in /v/ because they just post random shit, try to use google.
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>>324408646
>Everyone thinks that will be small
>It's fucking huge, just a bit smaller than the original Thunderfury

Wonder what class gets to use that, unless it's an all-class skin.
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>>324408720
>MUH RET HEALS PLS BLIZZARD WHAT WILL I DO IF THEY ARE STILL ALIVE AFTER I POP WINGS???

kys faggot
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>>324408858
Vanilla WoW was pretty fun, mate. When BC was released they followed a trend of making everything smaller and smaller. We went from a massive world to shitty little zones with sanctuary cities.

I still hate shattrath with a burning passion.
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>>324408625
>>324408626

Shit, it's been 4 months since I quit.. But it's either the main fish from Nagrand or fluctuates to the main fish from SMV.

You'll also average enough Lunkers for 1-2 pets that will sell for around 3k even on the super fucking crazy high pop servers like Stormrage.

You'll find shitloads of buyers on those servers, so you sell stuff cheaper and it all sells, on significantly less popular servers you can charge more but it sells less.

Selling at prime time is key too, log on 1 hour before raid time and undercut everyone.

I fucking made 20k a night for months, fucking months, then people caught on and we started arranging when we would sell fish.

Don't listen to what others say, you will NOT get barely any lunkers in your garrison, you need to fish in the zones, but not from pools. Make sure you have a level 3 fishing shack and Nat unlocked.
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>>324407193
Legion looks to do a lot of ability pruning and de-homogenization.
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>>324409074
grinding like a retard was so much fun not to mention being forced to play one spec
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>>324407427
Are you retarded, garrisons aren't what people hated about WoD. Did you even play the expansion?

Large lack of content, professions getting gutted, a lack of flying helping in the professions getting gutted department, no currency system making 5 mans useless, pvp all sorts of fucked, FUCKING ASHERAN.

People blame Garrisons for all sorts of retarded shit when they were just a dumb daily hub.
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>>324409080
Where's a good spot to fish for each one? Garrison is safe because nobody can get to you, but where can you hide and fish?
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>>324409256

Are you fucking retarded, Literally everyone says Garrisons, but it's more than that.
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>>324408296
>Garrisons killed gathering professions
No the lack of flying killed gathering professions.
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>>324409256
Garrisons kinda ruined professions though
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>>324409256

Garrisons were shit m8. They're a lot of why the world is so empty. Why go out into the world if literally everything you could need is located in your garrison.
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>>324409256
Tying professions into garrisons was fucking stupid though.
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>>324407795
cmon man the interns worked hard on those
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>>324409256
>garrisons announced
>fun little side activity
>can find followers and send them on quests
>they might bring you back gold and gear
>can choose where to locate your garrison

>garrisons come out
>boring one-dimensional shithole
>basically becomes required
>fixed location
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>Get my artifact in the first 20 minutes
>Run 5 man dungeons for the artifact bonus "gems"
>continue to easily upgrade my artifact to w/e blizzards gating will be for it.
>Farm non elite ogres in some fuck cave for 50 hours until i get the mandatory BiS legendaries
>Challenge mode achievements
>Log on to raid 2-3 days a week after above is done

At least i can go back to sitting in dal during non raid times showing off my unobtainable gear/mounts. Doesn't seem like there's anything else to do. Stopped putting forth the effort to get glad every season first season of cata. Maybe the prestige pvp stuff will keep me interested, but fuck me if they pull another ashran.
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>>324409256
>lack of content
because most of it was spent on garrisons
>professions getting gutted
by garrisons
>lack of flying
flying should fuck off it was a good change
>no currency
muh welfare epics ;_;


only thing you are right about is PvP being shit

>>324409362
No, the fact that every retard who could boost an alt had enough mats to do whatever they wanted is what hurt professions retard. If you couldnt get herbs from your garrison then people would be out in the world gathering them.
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http://strawpoll.me/6577856
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>>324409332
>>324409370
>>324409401
>>324409459
Literally everyone who does not play WoW says garrisons were the issue when it had notihng to do with it.

Garrisons didn't make all professions a 1 day cooldown to craft anything, garrisons didn't add the retarded cross server overflow system that made cities barren, garrisons didnt make all the gathering mats in the outside complete dogshit by having them act as 1/5th of a real fucking mat and be surrounded by 8 mobs.

Garrisons didn't make it so ALL professions got destroyed because blizzard said it was unfair for people to be able to have a buff for spending the thousands of gold and hours to max level a profession.

Garrinsons had a massive host of issues in and of their own, but it really shows the kind of heavenshill retards who blame them for all the stupid shit they had nothing to do with.
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WOD:

>lvl up character late into the expansion (2 month ago)
>hit 100, there is no need to do heros, just join lfr for all instances and get geared (no one ever speaks in lfr even if there are 40 pple in)
>join raid group, the only one speaking is the "lead" but he only asks about boss tactics (as if there even were any tactics nowadays)
>He doesn't know how to PM, fails to PM after first boss and leaves the raid
>raid falls apart
>never ever play again

I mean I have those romantic memories where I played each monday/wedn with the same 25 people and we did some smacktalk but also concentrated on using proper tactics and finishing the instances. I remember everyone shouting of joy in teamspeak after we beat SCC and BT.
Before and after raids we would try to get some mounts or farm reputation/gold together. I went to fucking Switzerland in my school holidays to game for 3 weeks in my guild officers house. I knew these people better than my family, none of them still play or I've lost their contact infos.
I hope they are allright and that they don't have to witness what happened to the game
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Does the next expac have an actual city? Like I don't want to be sitting in that class hall all day long.
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>>324409884
Dalaran.
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>>324409578
What if Legion garrisons are what WoD garrisons should have been?
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>>324409972
>Rehashing Dalaran again

can Blizzard do anything right?
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>>324409884
Theyre rehashing the same old city of Dalaran, since people complained about not having a city in WoD and they still are too lazy to make a new one.
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>>324409279

Pics.

For SMV I kinda went derpy and can't guarantee that's the area on the map, but just go east of that island and look for a giant mushroom on the shore, near the area where people killed mobs for the halloween quests/dailies.
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>>324410019
Legion garrisons are Class Halls, which look different and a lot less required/tie-ins as Garrisons.

I just hope they stay optional. I'd be fine if they became quest hubs, just don't fucking make me have to use them for professions.
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>>324410019
>Fixed Locations
>Daily Grinding place

The only difference in the Class Hall is that other players can show up.
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>>324410103
They fucking HAVE cities in WOD - Bladespire and Karabor were the intended areas to be cities in the expansion. Literally all they need to do is put in some NPCs and vendors and link the areas to trade chat and they're done.

Blizzard is THAT LAZY.
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>>324410157

I'm really derpy atm, I mean go west of that island.
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>>324406035
There are quite a few abilities off the GCD, some classes (notably Monk) can reduce their GCD to as low as 1 second. Positioning in FFXIV is also more important, since some abilities only work properly when used on an enemy's flank or back, so on top of dodging fire or whatever you're also hopping around bashing different parts of the boss. On paper the GCD sounds long, in execution it gives you just enough time to breathe.
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I can't help but wonder why blizz hasn't done player housing yet

Of all the things that stupid people would happily dish out their wallets for, housing props on their store would rake them in a fuck ton of money
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>>324403187
>no one cares

>Millions of active subscribers
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>>324410262

Remember, giant mushroom on the shore west/northwest of that island.

Try to make your hotspot as far south on the mushroom as you can, you want to face where you're fishing.
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>>324410421
Garrisons are basically player housing, only not customizable and utter, utter shit.
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>>324409972
why dalaran when they could give the other capitals the spotlight for a while, gnomeregan, silvermoon, darnassus, etc
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Is it me or are North American realms in WoW fucking ghost towns these days? It seems like you have to pay to transfer to a full/locked realm or go onto EU realms to get anything done.
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>>324410530
>not customizable

Then it's not player housing
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>>324409815
Hello I am playing the game right now

Garrisons are one of the biggest, if not the biggest issues with WoD.
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>>324410574

You have to play on servers that aren't dead, everyone's flocking to one of 20 servers.
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>>324410456
The large majority of people playing are Chinese or Koreans.
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>>324410567
Because they can't move any of those to the broken shore I guess. Not to mention that gnomershit is not a capital.
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>>324410583
It's player housing in the sense that it's your lone sanctuary from the world. You can even sort of customize it by changing what buildings you want, and even add up statues depending on achievements.
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>>324410695
It's still not player housing

Not in any real sense of the term
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>>324410802
>its a home for your player owned by the player
>not player housing

??????
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>>324410652
I'm on a "medium" population server called Khadgar yet it feels like there's nobody on here. I see people from other realms than on my realm on here, that's how dead it is.
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>>324402946
I'm a bit of an noob about this. What do you mean with priority exactly? And could you name any game as example?
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>>324410947
Medium is code word for "sometimes you see another soul in a high traffic hub"

if its not high is dead
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>>324386427
So I'll play it for two months like I played WoD.
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>>324411071
Keeping your dots on the target is more important that casting other spells, so if your dot is about to fall off you refresh that first before doing other actions.
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>>324410947
I play on Kilrogg and it's pretty alive despite the medium pop label on it. I'm assuming it's really close to their "high" number without actually hitting it, though.

Now Winterhoof, the server we're merged with? lolno, their sever's fucking dead.
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>>324388459
Add
>Model updates
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>>324411325
>going from N64 to PS1 makes up for the lack of everything else
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>>324410947

You're on Bloodhoof/Khadgar.

http://www.wowprogress.com/realms/rank/us

2k active players of each faction is really fucking low, that's why.

(Your server appears as "Connected Bloodhoof")

Get on a real server and the experience is like a different game.
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>>324410421
they were philosophically opposed to player housing for a long time, then wildstar came out with great housing, but instead of making it they just lied about a bunch of shit at blizzcon
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>>324411109
>if its not high is dead
then why does Blizzard have a shit ton of dead realms still online? Why not just merge them all?
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>>324395318
It made me so sad when I found out he was the lead designer

With the way he handled D3, I'm surprised he still has a job at Blizzard.
The fact that they threw him over to the WoW just means that WoW is low priority now
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How do the heirlooms work nowadays though? I heard you can just buy them all pretty easy nowadays.
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>WoD is an awful expansion
>I'm still having fun and trying to finish things because it takes me about a year to finish anything in WoW
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>>324411634
They did that with MoP and the servers were so packed and queues were so retardedly long when WoD came out they had to make new servers.
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>>324411668

You literally buy them with gold, they then are permanently attached to an Heirloom tab and you can generate as many as you want on any toon.

You buy like 35k gold worth of heirlooms and you get a mount you can use at level 1.

You can also enchant heirlooms with any enchant, all enchants scale, you'll want to see a spreadsheet for how they change and offer in each level bracket.
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>>324411634
>Why not just merge them all?

This guy believes Blizz merges severs still!

Don't you know that PHASING and CROSSREALM are the superior systems to "fix" low server populations according to our Blizzard Overlords?
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15 months of HFC
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>>324382153
wew, doesn't sound like a marketer at all.
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>>324411654
It's old, why wouldn't it be low priority? WoW isn't even their big money maker anymore, it's just something they keep making content for because people still play it.

That's Blizzards big thing is they keep supporting games regardless if they are alive or dead.
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>>324409815

Professions being shit wouldn't ruin an entire expansion.
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>>324411932
WoWfags will literally defend this too.
6.1 brought literally nothing but selfies and twitter and Blizzard expects players to be satisfied with doing the same 6.2 content for 15 months.

How does this game still have fucking millions of people paying for it?
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>>324411634
>server was full when WoD launched
>now its low

Thanks for the shit expansion, Blizzard. I've never seen a game die so fast before. They lost 4 million subs in under a year.

Unreal.
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>>324412656
>How does this game still have fucking millions of people paying for it
Its trivial to pay for your monthly fee via gold.

I make 60k a month by barely playing the game and could easily triple that if I cared enough to go back to playing the AH
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>>324412852
It oddly is, and I was never really good at making gold but wasting a week I made the 40k I needed for my overpriced EU token, and now I have 6 weeks to bother getting enough for the next one.
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>>324408938
So you've never been in a run where you're forced to off-heal people while trying to dps? Or do you even play Ret?

>>324408740
Yay! A teleport with a 30sec cooldown and a combat mount. Those are great replacements for having actual utility. I'm sure I won't miss being helpful to my friends when I can fucking teleport to what's killing them.
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>>324412852
someone still had to pay money for those gold tokens and those cost more than the actual sub fee.

who are the millions of people still supporting this decade old trash?
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>>324413065
No because ret healing is shit and I dont run with scrubs
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>>324413146
Retards, the same idiots who buy things off the cash shop.

You might as well ask why retards by shit in LoL or who all the dumb faggots buying skins for CSGO at $100 a pop.
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>>324413065

lmao ret heals, if you're doing anything important enough that would require a ret to heal, then the dps is more important.
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>>324413065
If you're in a situation where you NEED a Ret Pally to offheal then either your healers are shit or your DPS need to get out of the fucking fire.
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>>324404151
Alleria already has been Coruptioned tho
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>>324406063
No
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>>324406063

lol, playing now is literally the worst time, especially with your criteria.
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>>324413698

eeeexactly
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>>324411216
Aren't there certain classes in WoW that do that? Like the DPS Death Knight. I stopped after Cataclysm (mainly because of my busy life at that moment), but I remember being Frost DK. With my Frost DK, part of my rotation was to put up dots and keep them up.
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>>324415147
Feral Druids do that now among a few others. Warlock's entire shtick is keeping up dots for example. Enhancement Shamans keep up and spread Fire Shock dots on everything for massive AOE damage.
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>>324415147
Frost DK is a lot less dependant on DoTs than Unholy DK.
Survival Hunter, Affliction Warlock and Shadow Priest (unless you take certain level 100 talent) also rely heavily on DoTs. There are others that use them too (Balance Druid, Enhancement and Elemental Shaman, etc.) but they aren't as dependant on them.
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>>324382153
Can someone tldr what's new in legion? Haven't played in a while.
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>>324415503
Enhancement's AoE damage is fucking insane.
What are the specs with the heaviest AoE damage? Destruction Warlock, Beast Mastery Hunter, Enhancement Shaman...?
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>>324415832
Illidan is back
Everyone gets an Ashbringer!
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>>324416010
EVERYONE
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>>324415832
>Artifact weapons aka path of titans 2.0 except sweet
>Illadin is back and pissed that we are all fags and fucked up so much
>WoD talents getting fixed to not be dogshit
>Classes getting overhauled
>PvP talents
>Demon Hunters actually looking really fun
>Now hold your breath and hope all the cool stuff does not get cut
>Legendaries with cool effects everywhere
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>>324416010
It's a shame we don't get to forge the legend of a brand new weapon and then after we shove it up some demon's butt we hand it off to some guy from our class hall who gets to be Mr. Important in the next expansion where we have to poke more demons.
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>>324382153
HOLY SHIT THE FUCKING BLIZZARD MARKETING

GO THE FUCK AWAY AND FUCK OFF WITH YOUR RUINED FACEBOOK GAME

FUCK YOU GUYS FOR RUINING A ONCE GREAT GAME

FUCK
YOU
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>>324415863
Fury Warrior can pump some absolutely retarded AOE damage in short bursts if they blow all their shit and talent for it. Throw Ravager down, pop Dragon Roar, use a macro'd Berserker Rage + Bladestorm and you'll easily top the meters.
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>>324416607
Could have been cool, but Blizzard would have found a way to fuck it up
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>>324415832
Here's the current known lore for Legion:
>Illidan will be back. He was actually a hero all along. Your actions in the Black Temple actually aided the Burning Legion.
>Alternate Universe Gul'dan is fucking up everything.
>Your character becomes the greatest leader ever for your class.
>Tirion dies.
>Thrall loses Doomhammer. YOU were actually what Doomhammer's prophecy was all about. Thrall's use of it during his revenge against Garrosh was not approved by the elements, they have forsaken him completely and now the hammer is dead weight, so he gives it to you if you're an enhancement shaman.
>Ysera gets corrupted by Xavius, who is somehow alive again, and the Nightmare. She is killed.
>Vol'jin and Varian both die. Sylvanas is now Warchief.
>The blue dragonflight is disbanded. They all abandoned the Nexus in Borean Tundra -but left all their artifacts in there unguarded because they're stupid. Disc priests go there to get their weapon.
>The great Archbiship Alonsus Faol is back - as an undead.
>Calia Menethil, Arthas's sister, is back - but she has no interest in retaking Lordaeron from the insane Sylvanas.

And that's the state of the lore going into Legion so far as I can remember it.
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>>324416476
Some of what you said is correct, but hold the phone;

>WoD talents getting fixed to not be dogshit
There's still a lot of "You're fucking stupid for choosing this" talents.
>Classes getting overhauled
Only a few for the better, such as Survival, Fury, and Outlaw. Most look like extreme pruning instead of good overhauls.
>Legendaries with cool effects everywhere
These most likely won't be as good as we expect.

I agree with the PvP talents and Demon Hunters looking fun, and I'm glad Illidan isn't just a recurring villain like we all thought he'd be. I'm also glad that the Artifact weapons' talents are actually good things to aim for. I just hope they don't fuck those up.
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>>324417020
>Only a few for the better
>Ignoring the new best class in the game Death Knights
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>>324417015
Oh I forgot to mention
>A lot of the "epic artifact questlines" are actually repeated across several classes. The only different is a few changed out NPCs, but the quests themselves are largely the same. So not even the artifact quest chains are completely unique save for a few classes.
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>>324417193
>>324417015
Don't forget "Thrall will have more development in Legion."
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>>324417020
>WoD talents getting fixed to not be dogshit
I didn't mean balance, I meant in the fact that certain classes talents were boring as shit and were nearly the same for all 3 specs.

Also Locks, DK's, Priests, and Huntards although still 50/50 on their changes are getting completely revamped.
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>>324416476
Thanks anon
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>>324417015
>Vol'jin and Varian both die. Sylvanas is now Warchief.
Vol'jin is alive, he's gone to negotiate with the zanadalari
And Varian probably isn't dead either
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>>324417484
Varian is "dead" Lo'gosh is around kicking ass
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>>324417174
What's happening to Death Knights? They've been gutted to hell and back since Wrath, how could they possibly have gotten better?
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>>324408556
>DKs cant switch presences any longer in legion

fuck it, you are not allowed to react to critical situations any longer?

remember when shamans had an aggro enchant for their weapon in vanilla?
Fine, if everything is supposed to have just one role, then explain to me, why does the upgraded earth elemental, right now in WoD, constantly lose aggro while you're just spamming regular attacks? wasn't that thing supposed to be your tank?

If they assign roles to everything, they should also make it fucking work
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>>324417484
Look man just because Vol'Jin faked his death like 3 times now does not mean hes going to do it yet again.

Like only a 50% chance this time.
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>>324408556
You won't be able to switch stances at all in Legion - they're completely removing stances for Warriors.

Yes, they're removing THE CORE IDEA OF WARRIORS, to fit their "class fantasy" bullshit.
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>>324417917
>fuck it, you are not allowed to react to critical situations any longer?

hell no, because the people who are bad at it might cry and feel bad
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>>324417917
>fuck it, you are not allowed to react to critical situations any longer?

It hasn't been this way ever since blood got revamped in cata.

Changing to blood so you can take a few seconds of damage while the healer is battle-rezing your idiot tank was the raddest shit.

I miss blood DPS.
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>>324418086
Don't forget vrykul and knock-off and shitty Valhalla are not the warrior class fantasy because fuck you

I was hoping for a gladiator pit. Instead I get a place that looks better suited to priests and paladins.
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>>324408556
>While I agree that pruning abilities that do nothing was a good choice

fuck you, every ability was there to suit a specific purpose.

thank god you got a taste of your own medicine you fuckhead.
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>>324418021
Datamined audio files of him talking make it even more likely he survives
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I haven't played since Cata. I long for the days of vanilla. People tell me I shouldn't resub because it's gone downhill. I never did a whole lot of content (never raided, missed a lot of dungeons, didn't play wod or mop, pvp wasn't huge for me), so I figure there might be enough to keep me satisfied. Thoughts?
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Every DPS looks like it's 3 core buttons and then CDs with the occasional artifact button.

They ruined Mistweavers. Disc is either going to be underpowered or overpowered. Every other healer looks basically the same.

They're ruining tanking.

Confirmed garrison followers.

LITERALLY the least alt friendly expansion ever, even after how alt unfriendly WoD was. I mean, getting Artifact Power for your other specs is going to be fucking awful. Imagine doing that on an alt or two?

This is WoW's final expansion and I'm happy that it's finally dying. This way I won't have to suffer through one of my favorite games dying a slow death.
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>>324418247
>Valhalla is where viking warriors go in the afterlife to drink and fight all the time
>Not suited for Warriors

Priests would get laughed out of the hall, and Paladins don't fight with the same ferocity as the strongest warriors.
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>>324418247
I don't mind the idea of totallynotValhalla, but yeah, it's way too priestly for me, especially when the mead hall is this lavish, beautiful architecture and then there's shitty wooden tables and benches all over it.

I was expecting something a bit more gruff like a gladiatorial arena or a castle out on the Isles that we take for ourselves. THAT would have been tits.
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>>324382153
OP has never played WoW and is possibly employed by Blizzard.
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>>324417759
Isn't EHRehgar supposed to be in this expansion? That pretty much just solidifies Varian not dying.
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>>324418459
sub for a few months depend on how hard you plan on playing.

I personally liked most of the MoP content except pandas but I hated WoD leveling.
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>>324418021
But why would they kill him off? Nothing has been done with him except putting his model on the throne. Why the fuck end him, when he has done nothing as a warchief yet
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>>324418471
It's been dying a slow death since WOTLK. Once Cataclysm hit it's been steadily downhill with no end in sight.
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>>324418471
>They ruined Mistweavers.
what they do to them, MW has never really been good
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>>324418589
I don't mind the idea of Not Valhalla too much

The problem is that it looks like a priest or paladin class hall
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>>324408443
BC, MoP and day 1 Cata were the best times to be playing the game though
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>>324417835
Blood is getting changed so that they generate Bone Shield charges, Death Strike costs RP now, Death and Decay makes your abilities cleave when you stand on it, all of their talents look cool as shit.

Unholy is getting completely changed, they are back to diseases mattering by having things happen you hit strike things that are diseased, they also are now summoning a fuck ton of ghouls/abominations/exploding ghouls, instead of being a shitty pet class like in WoD.

Unholy are also super ranged now, someone had a bunch of webms of him fighting mobs at 30 yards since they can make their melee strikes ranged now.
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>>324418247
Considering what vikings at Valhalla did, it's pretty fitting. You go out fighting until death for all eternity, when you die you return to feast hall where you stuff your face before going back out to slaughter until you get killed again.

Also, they did add an arena to the Class Hall so there is something.

But yeah, they could have made it more gritty looking, but they caught most of the idea right.
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>>324418729
MoP was decent. The 5 years of SoO is what killed that expansion. MoP had the most content of any expansion in a while.

>>324418789
Removed chi. Removed uplift. Changed ReM. Vastly reduced their raid healing. MWs in Legion are basically the perfect 5 man healers but god awful raid healers. They're going to basically be tank healers in Legion.
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>>324418817
I'm going to fuck one of those Val'kyrs
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>>324418892
>Unholy fights at range
Hold the fuck up, I need to see this. I will totally drop my main for an Unholy DK if this is and stays true.
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>>324418892
>Ranged Death Knight
Guess it's time to finally play one again since the early Wrath "summer romance".
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>>324418892
>Unholy are also super ranged now
sounds like they are making pvp even more of a clusterfuck
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the problem with warrior class hall is that you only know it's the warrior class hall because it's a knock off of real life stuff

there's nothing Warcraft about it, nothing that fits a "WoW warrior" idea

If you didn't know what Valhalla was, you'd have no idea how this related to the warrior class

should have been an arena pit or a brutal fortress drawing on aspects of different warrior groups (like Blademasters). It should have had soldiers from Alliance and Horde and shit.
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>>324418892
>>324419079
>>324419108
>>324419170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkF1GruFoV0

Dunno if there's a better summary video out there. I try not to keep up with changes until late beta.
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>>324419210
>If you didn't know what Valhalla was, you'd have no idea how this related to the warrior class

Exactly.
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>>324418892
>abom summoning
Always wanted something like that. Neat.
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>>324419210
seconding this

IMO the not-fightclub place was the perfect spot if you add some warrior-related accessories to it, I feel like blizzard is trying to push this norse fantasty stuff onto warriors when it has literally nothing to do with them before Legion.
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>>324419210
There will be alliance and horde warriors there like Garrosh and Proudmoore
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>>324419427
Garrosh is gonna be there? God damn.

Is Varian gonna be there too? The feuding would be hilarious.
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>>324419427
>Garrosh
He died on a different planet. He should not be on Azeroth Valhalla
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>>324419427
I know those were datamined, but it's only a theory their spirits will be there

And if their spirits are there, it makes no fucking sense in the greater context of WoW lore. Have all orc warrior spirits been going to this place? Why? this look as far from orc ideals and aesthetics as possible for a warrior heaven. How does this work for human warriors other than the fact it looks like a Light-worshippers church?
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>>324419564
Varian will NOT be there, which only lends credence to him not really being dead
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>>324419079
>>324419108
>>324419170
Found it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QBi6EoBqiI
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I'm gonna call this shit now with Survival Hunters:

>Survival ends up being the highest DPS spec for Hunters in Legion
>Hunter mains complain about it because "I didn't roll a Hunter to melee things"
>Survival ends up getting nerfed into the ground
>Stays a useless spec the rest of the expansion

They did the same thing with Glad Stance, I have no doubt the same thing will happen to Survival
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>>324420014
No spirits are there, as far as I know

Only datamined and no location determined for where they would be placed or even if they will be used

It's only speculation they will be in the Not Valhalla
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>>324420014
That's what I was thinking too. I've heard rumors of Sylvanas trying to raise him as the thing that drives Genn to attacking her full scale, which might complicate things.
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>>324420136
When people say that something is amazing, Blizzard should just stop and not tweak it any further. Gladiator was amazing too, and they fucked that.

Just stop at amazing, Blizzard never stops at amazing.
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>>324420473
>Glad Stance
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>>324420136
A shame this wasn't implemented sooner.
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>>324420136
I have never touched anything but blood and frost ever since DK debuted and this is the first time in my life I ever actually consider playing unholy, also because summons.
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>>324420597
Glad Stance was too pure for this world.

I'll always remember it fondly before PVPfags cried and got it nerfed into the dumpster.
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>>324420597
>tfw Gladiator got raped early on because Arms and Fury were too weapon damage reliant early on to be of any use

Only real memory I have of early wod is constantly people asking me why I had a shield as dps.
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>>324420639
>>324420776
FML family

Glad stance is the only good thing in WoD and now its getting the chop, this world has no justice.
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At least the questing is actually fun in WoD. There's much less "collect x items" with awful droprates, and you tend to get all the quests for an area at once, instead of having to go back and forth 5 times.
The dailies are much, much better too. There's a lot of variety, and the assaults are actually fun.
Garrisons are trash, and it's got a host of other problems, but they finally got questing and exploration right
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I know you're the one I want in my life...
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>>324420901
Only druids can have 4 specs, anon
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All this shit with making the player the main character of the story is awful. It's been going on since at least Cataclysm, but there were rumblings of it even before that. Do they not realize how lifeless and dull this makes the game? The whole appeal of an MMO is that it's meant to be a persistent, living world that everyone shares in. Stories and conflicts occur whether you're there to see them or not. NPCs are consistent, they don't show up in multiple places at once. If things happen, they happen for everyone, not just you.

But Blizzard are so desperate to fellate the player that instead the world will literally phase and morph to suit each person. It's like a single-player game. Everyone plays as the main character and loads up their own "save file" where the world is different depending on where they are in the story. And as a result, everything you do is fucking meaningless because you're the only person it will ever affect.

But the world isn't even persistent for a single player, because zones are treated as self-contained storylines which are resolved by the player in sequence. Each location effectively ceases to exist after the player finishes it. You can visit old areas, but you are never given any reason to, and they will never change or react to other events. Everyone is still assblasted about the Cataclysm in Kalimdor/EK. Thrall is still Warchief if you're in Northrend. It's a joke. It's impossible to immerse yourself in a world this inconsistent.

But the biggest problem with all the player dicksucking is that it makes the presence of other players completely pointless. To serve the narrative of making you the bigshot special snowflake, Blizzard literally wants you to pretend that other players don't exist. They even actively encourage this idea with the dungeon finder and the removal of group quests, eliminating the need to even interact with the people you see. Somewhere along the line Blizzard forgot the point of an MMO.
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>>324382153
Remember the hype for WoD and how everyone was sure that it would be the great ressurection of WoW?
Ye, I won't be fooled again.
Legion is just an unlogical pile of fanservice made in a desperate attempt to save the game.
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>>324384869
Underrated post
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>>324420937
I liked his old model but this looks pretty fucking good.
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>>324420937
He isn't foresaken anymore? Weird.
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>>324421290
He's Forsaken, but like all major Forsaken lore characters, he isn't using the Forsaken model now. He's using a slightly modified human death knight model to make it more obvious he's a Dark Ranger.
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I still believe that Wrath and MoP were the best expansions.

Both of these expansions had the gameplay at its best.
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>>324408912
Arms warrior artifact skin.
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>>324421438
His old model had more charm, honestly.
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>>324421110
I do miss the time of just being another guy going around. They could at least just make us mercenaries rather than COMMANDER OF THE ALLIANCE number 1789415. They already pay us to do their odd jobs through the quest rewards. And that would make just as much sense as to why we keep going to the new areas.
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Wonder why the 2015 yearly report isn't out yet.
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>>324421438
>lets make this race look like zombies
>lets make all of their important lore characters look like other races but just grayer and with red eyes
Fuck off blizzard and your shitty chinese no bones shit.
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>>324421110
This, I don't know why Blizzard is so big on giving each individual player their own 'everyone wants to suck your dick' story.
It really takes the piss out of it when everybody is Commander of the Alliance, everybody is their Class Leader, or everyone has an Ashbringer.
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>>324420136
Seriously though that is the coolest shit and I'm definitely trying it in Legion.
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>>324421715
Didn't you hear anon?
Those won't be public anymore because blizzard got tired of everyone getting to know how much they fucked up in under a year.
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>>324421585
Some part of the pre-60 questing zones does recognize you as a merc doing dirty jobs nobody wanted, but I found it jarring when you barely step out of level 10 and the faction leader is already demanding you to be personally attending them (trolls/undead),
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>>324421835
The investor reports aren't public?
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>>324402332
Vanilla was literally basic as fuck and moba like in that regard

how fucking stupid are you?
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>>324421864
By the time you get to Ashenvale, your Horde character already interacts with Garrosh

It's pretty fucking hilarious
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>>324421905
Isn't acti-bliz a listed company? I'd imagine they either have to boardcast the thing live under their discretion or for one of the SHs to ask permission to broadcast the thing live.
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>>324382153
At least we will get WoW 2 after this
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>>324382153
How is the gameplay any different than it is right now? Don't you still run around and press your ability buttons in the same way?
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>>324420727
So you were a shitty DK at the start when unholy was literally god tier of everything?
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>>324408443
Wtf are you talking about, BC and WotLK were the bomb. That was WoW's heyday. I stopped playing shortly after Cata, but the fiest two expansions were great.
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>>324418892
Holy shit.

Leveling an Unholy DK right now.
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>Sylvanas
>an undead elf
>is the leader of the Horde
>meanwhile Orgrim furiously spins in his grave
I SPIT ON YA HORDE
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It's the same shit but maybe better than WoD
>piss easy leveling
>dungeons only last a week or 2 before they become outdated
>raids will be decent
>the content you do out in the world won't be fun or feel rewarding enough

The only hope is the new CMDs and atm the diablo style of difficulty probably won't work that well

will have to see how it turns out. i don't have any plans of subbing until a few months have passed and the community feedback is positive. And yes i expect the first month to be littered with people overjoyed that they actually get new content for once
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>>324421513

>Mop
>Best expansion

Get the fuck out, that panda casualfest farmville piece of shit didn't even feel like WoW not to mention how the completely ruined any sort've class individuality.
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>>324420823
>Join dungeon at 100 as DPS Gladiator
>Tank says "Oh, did you mean to tank?"
>Proceed to rape damage meters as DPS

Gladiator did perfect amounts of damage; it wasn't gear dependant, it was easy to play, and it was on par with Hunters.
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>>324422159
Wait, is Legion supposed to be the last expansion?
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>>324422590
>Forsaken are cool as fuck rotting corpses
>leader is a generic sexy elf chick
>important NPCs are all being converted to humans and elves
>"let's take a race with a unique look, and make all their important NPCs generic as fuck"
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>>324423118
>Godfrey killed the generic sexy elf chick with one pistol shot
>lmao resurrected
Sylvanas is a horrible, horrible marysue. I wish Varimathas or these faggots were in charge instead.
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>>324423019
Its set itself up as the final one with giving everyone artifact weapons and legendaries out the ass to get.

However its not been confirmed
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>>324422159
No we won't

Blizzard doesn't want to be the, "MMO company." They said that's why Titan got scrapped.

They've gone the route of smaller games with lots of DLC, there's no coming back from that.
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>>324423019
No. People just think that because of the artifact weapons and all the loose ends being tied up. There's still so much shit in WoW to cover, like argus.
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>>324423441
>Godfrey in charge
>finally does something about the Worgen and Scarlet Crusade on their doorstep
>moves the Forsaken out of the shitty sewers and rebuilds Lordaeron into a proper Forsaken-themed city
>whips Horde into shape so they're not such pussies
We can only dream
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>>324418290

>I am a Cata baby
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>>324423613
Now they are the "shitty mmo company" instead lol
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>We need a new leader
>Do we get the only guy capable of leading 5 different races and is no nonsense?
>Or do we get the questionably loyal chick who is going to inevitably betray everyone and fuck us all over?
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>>324423995
>It's been over a decade
>Forsaken still hasn't moved into the above Lordaeron castle areas
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>>324424210
They could care less if people thought they are a shitty MMO company

Because Hearthstone prints money, as does HotS, and so will Overwatch
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>>324424268
why didn't we listen
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>>324423613
IIRC, Titan was also scrapped because Blizzard realized that making an MMO that would directly compete with their own MMO was completely retarded.
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>>324424268
Don't even try to question WoW's writing. It falls apart if you put even 1 second of thought into it. If the characters behaved in logical or consistent ways, there would be no game because then Blizzard couldn't pull some contrived villain-of-the-week bullshit out of their ass.
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>>324424268
>Race specific armor always looked cool
>The only proper transmog race gear is for SW Humans and Org guards
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>>324419210

I read in an interview that the class halls had to be related to the new continent in some way, so that's probably why warriors have this vrykul place and rogues still ended up in the sewers, etc.
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>>324424268
He's just as shit.
The idea of Horde being ruled by a fucking elf is just preposterous.
I mean, hell, Horde's capital was named after one of the greatest elf-slayers of all time.
It's like Mark Goldstein being in charge of Hitlerstown or Goebbelsburg.
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>>324424493
WoW's story has been crazy contrived and stupid since TBC
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>>324424628
The paladin, shaman, and monk class halls has no relation to the new continent
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>>324424268
That's actually a good point. Why isn't Lor'themar the Warchief? Sylvanas is a backstabbing cunt and literally no one besides the Forsaken trust her, so how did she manage to become Warchief?

Blizzard plays clear favorites with factions and it's fucking disgusting.
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>>324424652
Why would he move to Orgrimmar?

His city built an auction house a long time ago.
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>>324424652
Who can run the horde?
Sylvanas will betray them, Belves and cows are all useless.
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>>324424812
Sylvanas is Warchief so they can set her up to be Garrosh 2.0. Literally the only reason. It doesn't make sense and there's no reason why any of the characters as they've written them would accept such an arrangement, but they just deliberately ignore it all so they can make her a raid boss later.
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>>324424628
The Dalaran sewers, which have no relation to the new area. DKs get Ebonhold yet again, because Blizz are lazy shits
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>>324425037
Realistically, Saurfang, but he won't do it.

Thrall himself said that if Saurfang's son hadn't been converted and killed in WOTLK he would have been chosen over Garrosh for Warchief.
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>>324420136
time to dust off that old dk everyone made at the start of wotlk
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>>324421110

Seconded. The storyline constantly makes me roll my eyes because everyone refers to my dude as THE SAVIOR OF AZEROTH while 50 other SAVIORS OF AZEROTH are standing around the same area. I don't think your character should just be some random jackass, but the first few expansions got the tone right. You were a hero of note, but not the baddest motherfucker to ever live. You were awesome enough to be present for huge moments but they didn't revolve around you.
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The people never learn
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>demo lock gameplay is clunky
>let's take it away and give it to spriests
So glad I quit. Legion is basically the epitome of blizz taking something away and giving it back as "new content". Look at all the baseline spells that are being removed and "reintroduced" as talents.

Also the new pvp mounts from the prestige system are literally recolors of the old vicious mounts while blizz STILL hasn't released the draenei/bloodelf ones. You'd think that with the time they saved by releasing recolored pvp armor for the latest season they could have at least given us that.
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>>324388095

No, blizzard pulled it out of their ass that demons transcend all time and space and thus there is one legion existing in hypre time. Therefore they informed alt Guldan of everything.

It's so stupid blizzard might have already changed it.
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>>324425385
Are you kidding Demo lock looks amazing now.

Summoning hordes of demons is way more interesting than metamorphasis.
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>>324382153
What the fuck is this expansion going to offer that the other ones haven't?

Game is fucking dead people get over it. if you fags unsubscribe like the half the playerbase already did maybe blizzard will be motivated to make a new mmo that's actually good and doesn't look like a cartoon from 2004.
If mmo's are still your preferred method of wasting time of course.
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>>324425138
>>324424787

The Dalaran sewers and Maelstrom area are both near the new continent. The monk and paladin halls have nothing to do with it, I agree. I'd imagine the paladin one was chosen because it's such a good fit and the monk one just reuses part of pandaland to save time. A lot of the order halls reuse resources from elsewhere. probably another reason why the warrior hall is just a rearranged version of one of the legion dungeons.
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>image
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>>324425852

>The maelstrom is a shaman class hall

100% fucking retarded. The Maelstrom the collapsed well of eternity ravaged with natural arcane and shit. it was so volatile that naga in proximity would sometime ascend into arcane entities.

In Cata deathwing emerged from it because it was weakened point in reality that he could force his way through from deepholm

It has Zero connection the the elements.

Let me guess, blizzard forgot all this and said it's know some sort of union of Azerothian elements?
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>>324426373
Did you read what they did to doomhammer?

Blizzard fucking hates Shamans man
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>>324425734
>Look amazing
They're not even in the alpha yet you retard, enjoy your broken pet ai that can't handle target switching.
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>>324425827
>caring how a game LOOKS instead of how it plays
Modern WoW is a turd that will never compare to vanilla/TBC/WOTLK. Blizzard killed it the second they started catering to casuals.
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>>324407894
that isn't survival hunter

destro has its fights in legion raids and does good dps

unless you're talking about pvp which i don't know then
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>>324426525

Yeah, something about the elemental spirits in it hating thrall.

It doesn't bother me that much because the thing has been enchanted since WC3 (glows blue).
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There's probably 5 main things I hate about modern WoW:
- The expansion/patch model that revolves around a "consume and replace" design. The game is huge, but the only content that is relevant at any one time is the latest raid tier. This just seems like a huge waste of time for both the developers and the players, since everything they do will eventually be rendered meaningless. Why should I invest myself in anything when it's just going to be replaced in a few months?

- All non-raid content has been gutted to revolve around raiding. Leveling, questing, reputations, professions, dungeons, everything exists only as a funnel into or distraction from raiding. Nothing else is fun or rewarding on its own. Blizzard thinks since that's what they spend the most time developing, that's where you should be. Except they seem to have forgotten they are too incompetent to put out more than 1 raid every 6 months, and that you can only do them a few hours a week. Even if you like raiding, it's a shit design. If you don't, it's a nightmare. Everyone is constantly starving for content. Even Ghostcrawler says if he could go back and do it again, he'd have multiple reward paths instead of 1 path with multiple difficulties.

- The game's design has become so streamlined and "convenient" that it's been scrubbed of all immersion. Class quests are gone because they "get in the way" of reaching endgame. Group quests are gone. Trainers are gone. No one needs reagents anymore. Respeccing and mounts are virtually free. Dungeons are loot hallways that are finished in 30 minutes. There's nothing cool or interesting or dangerous to find or experience anymore. People just want to get their loot in the most efficient way possible and anything that impedes that must be shit. No one sees the value in attunements, or quests that cross zones, or require player trading. Not helping to get loot = shit. And now the whole game is built around that.

(1/2)
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>>324426927
(2/2)

- The game world and story being changed to revolve around the player so much that it plays like a single-player game. The whole appeal of an MMO is a persistent world that you share in with others. The actions of others should affect you and vice versa. If something changes, it should change for everyone. But instead Blizzard are so desperate to suck you off as the big hero that the world will phase to match each individual's view, which has the effect of making everything you do completely meaningless since it will never affect anyone else. Blizzard actively encourage you to pretend other players don't exist as anything but background decoration, going so far as to even name your character the leader of their entire class. With the addition of things like the group finder and removal of group quests, there's no reason to even interact with the people you see in-game. To call the game an MMO is practically a joke at this point.

- Blizzard themselves are fucking awful. They can't release new content for shit and every expansion has less content than the one before it. Despite this, they will happily charge you $10 more for it and then call it done after 2 patches. If people ask for a feature, they'll say "We don't have the resources!" or "It'll cost you a raid tier!", while simultaneously putting content in a fucking cash shop (for a game where players already pay for expansions and a subscription, plus massively overpriced character services). And if you try to call them out on any of this, they'll get hyper defensive and cry about how you just don't understand game development. Even with how underwhelming Legion looks, they will still probably manage to cut 50% of the announced features before release. It's almost unbelievable that after 11 years the game still feels like it's being made by complete amateurs. They're lucky their fans are stupid as fuck, because it's the only reason they're still in business.
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>>324426373

Yeah, the hall popped up in a recent beta build. It's a cave right next to the maelstrom with different areas for different elements.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/5422-Enhancement-Artifact-Intro-Shaman-Class-Hall-Upcoming-Raid-Testing-Obliterum
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>>324426927
As much as I don't like them reusing old content as an excuse for not making as much new stuff, ZA/ZG revamped into 5 man heroics it's really something they maybe should do again instead of giving us a content drought.

Let's be honest, would you rather run through an old revamped raid for a couple of months or sit with nothing new for 15 months? It could be an excuse for showing us stuff happened while we were doing something else.
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>>324426927
>Why should I invest myself in anything when it's just going to be replaced in a few months?
Why play any game with a loot progression system? Because some people enjoy the experience of playing it, even with the knowledge that the next expansion will bring better items. Not to mention that they have to give new and better items with raids and expansions, otherwise it's pointless to even add them.

>All non-raid content has been gutted to revolve around raiding.
It used to be that way, with every zone questline leading into a dungeon. In WoD, most of the questlines are self contained. Only rarely to they lead into dungeons or raids.

>Dungeons are loot hallways that are finished in 30 minutes.
Dungeons always have been.
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>>324427396
It would be better if they could just prevent old content from going obsolete in the first place, but with a progression treadmill design that's practically impossible. It would mean redesigning the entire game from first principles.
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>>324427624

>Dungeons always have been.

lolwut. Did you start playing during MoP or something? For years dungeons took a decent amount of time and each pull required crowd control or you'd get your shit wrecked, especially in heroic. Wrath is when that changed and they actually tried to add the challenge back in early Cata but by then the damage was done and the retarded casual fanbase cried until everything was nerfed into the ground.
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>>324427747
Maybe when they bother extending the new level scaling system. Just giving you alternate loot pieces and more places to grind your daily valor or adding cool profession gear plans to encourage crafters going to those places.

>I could go to Dungeon X for gear piece Y with stat A and C or I could go to Dungeon Z that drops something in the same slot with C and A's values swapped
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>>324387196
well, they're filling in items from quests you've completed, but that quest you did three years ago didn't save what item you chose.

So they sort of have to. Also they said it would work that way after blizzcon.
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>>324428108
The stat system has been largely streamlined too, especially with removal of hit caps and similar stats. I don't even know why they bother separating Strength, Agility and Intelligence anymore, since they all do the same thing and no class that uses one uses either of the others. Half the secondary stats are also just slight variations of "more damage" and every spec will favour one above the rest.

Although I haven't played WoD so I can't speak for the randomized bonus stat system, but it sounds alright.
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>>324428565
>no class that uses one uses either of the others
By class I meant spec.
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>>324427747
Not to mention it would split up the userbase even more. They're struggling to keep people all together now, can you imagine how hard it would be if all old content was still relevant?
Timewalker dungeons are a good idea to reuse old content. I wish they did Timewalker raids, though
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>Enhancement shamans are getting Doomhammer
>Even though it makes more sense for Elemental shamans to get it
>Elemental shamans are are getting a fist weapon from Ra-Den
>Resto shamans are getting a staff from a mage, Azshara
>Wind walker monks are getting fist weapons from Al'Akir, an Elemental Lord
In a world where Blizzard gives a shit about their own lore, Enhancement shamans would be getting the fist weapons from Al'Akir. Elemental shamans would be getting doomhammer. Resto shamans would be getting a staff from Neptulon, the Elemental Lord of water. And WW monks would be getting their weapons from either Ra-Den or one of the Celestials.


This game is fucking shit.
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>>324428108
Adding more stuff into professions would be good in general. It felt like there were only two things to do with Inscription this time around, work on a staff or make darkmoon cards
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>>324428761
See >>324426525

Blizzard hates Shamans because Metzen jacks off Thrall so much and forces it down the rest of the teams throat so they vent out on the players instead.
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>>324428761
In a world where Blizzard gave a shit about lore, artifact weapons wouldn't even exist. Especially not ones with existing lore history like Doomhammer. Fuck off making it an ele weapon though. Not going to take the Doomhammer and never get to hit anyone with it.
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>>324428698

It's actually depressing doing timewalker dungeons because they're all an AOE zergfest like the new ones. When I'm in there I remember doing them when they were new and required a brain and it makes me sad.
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>>324428761
All the legendary weapons are shit, and most look like garbage. There isn't a single good look Warlock weapon variant shot off so far
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>>324391243
This. The time required to farm $15 worth of gold is 3rd world levels of income/time and only feels viable to the unemployed.
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>>324428881
Just thinking over it a little more, you could have bosses in old dungeons drop crafting plans for color swaps of their old loot tables, so say a Blacksmith runs in a revamped AQ you could get plans for alt color T2.5 pieces.
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>Spend an entire tier levelling artifact for spec A
>Blizz arbitrarily decides that they don't want players to play spec A
>useless for the next weeks until you catch up.
Can't wait.
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All I'm asking for is defense for Windwalker monk and a not shit rotation.
I personally don't know how I feel about the combo passive thingy.
Really, if it ends up feeling better than what is the current shotgun rotation cool, just maybe put some leeway into it, like make it alternating between 3 moves like blackout kick, tiger palm, and fist of fury. I actually like using serenity and spamming blackout kick. I think it looks [email protected]!1!
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>>324391243
>but it's retarded to play a subscription nowadays due to the great alternatives there are.
Like what? F2P MMO's are garbage.
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>>324429362
At the very least the WW combo system looks unique, which is rare these days.
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>>324416476
>>324417020
anyone care to explain why having one weapon on the entire expansion is a good thing?
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>>324429083
>Not liking the sweet floating skull
Some artifact weapons are neat.

Doing things like Ashbringer and Doomhammer are completely retarded in comparison to other specs who get reasonable weapons like the Scythe of Elune or DK's crafting their swords from the shards of frostmourne.
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>>324391243
>F2P
Name one single game that is f2p and hasn't devolved into a brazilian shitfest
also
>implying they won't start selling raid entry tickets if they go f2p
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>>324429191
>Current token prices are like 35-36k gold on my server
>75 mastery gems go for 3.5k
>I make about ~50 taladite every single day from work orders and daily CD
>In 30 days that's ~1500 taladite, or enough for 15 gems
>I simply buy the +50 mastery gem for ~400-500g
>I make 45k a month just from one character and literally all I have to do is log in once a day to collect work orders/use my daily CD and farm my mine. Outside of that, I just have to do Kazzak once a week on all of my 100s and I literally never run out of felblight
That's not even including all the free gold from my garrison or even counting my other character professions.
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The entire artifact system is dumb and I can't believe there's people out there who actually enjoys the wanking of the player character they've been doing since wrath.
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>>324429589
Because you level the weapon (which improves your abilities). Alternate form of progression. Better than random drops imo.
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>>324429621
>Name one single game that is f2p and hasn't devolved into a brazilian shitfest
I CAN'T
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>>324429758
i know, right? how can people be okay with that? everyone only gets ONE weapon; the same weapon.
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>>324429589
Its interesting and the skills on the weapons are neat.
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>>324418892
Yeah but runes, the most interesting game system, has been gutted because too complex or something, well unless they backed out of that.
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>>324426927
high cost of respecing disabled content for anyone who wasn't a dps

seriously the thing i dislike most about vanilla

i pay a prot war on nost
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>>324429592
>Some artifact weapons are neat.
Then there are others that are collected from antique collectors beneath Karazhan, such as the Unholy DK weapon.
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