>The best combat for an open world game with the possible exception of Dragon's Dogma
>Gets shit on for not having better combat than completely different and or linear games
They did their best /v/ can't you see that?
Found the butthurt Bethesdadrone
How can Skyrim have a better combat system?
Close combat is just fucking clicking the eft mouse button over and over again
>Posting debunked WEBMS
>game has one good hitbox
>it means the other bad hitboxes are acceptable
Debunked, my ass.
Holy shit. That's literally the single worst hitbox I've seen in my life, and I've seen a lot of bad hitbox.
How can witcher plebs even enjoy this game?
>Single worst hitbox of my life
>Hitbox on Geralt is not hit by Mourntart
>Because Geralt bends down
>One good hitbox
You mean the game is fine and you are shitposting the same old and debunked WEBM in every Witcher thread for months now?
>The best combat for an open world game
Oh come the fuck on. It's my runner up for GOTY 2015, and even I know it's fucking bullshit.
W3's combat is serviceable at best. It's not bad enough to dampen the experience, but it's nowhere near good enough to be enjoyable by itself, much less be a highlight.
Yeah no, skyrim's combat was way worse than W3's. As for Fallout, the combat is more fun, yes, but that's a shooter.
Every fucking time. Every fucking Witcher thread that faggot spams the same fucking webms. I wonder if he gets paid for it
god awfull sometimes this piece of shit game forgets to calculate damage
broken ass magnet based ''combat''
let's be real, its not a bad game by any means, there's actual effort put into it, unlike bethesda.
still, it got downgraded very hard (and that's coming from a previously pc-focused developer) and the combat is pretty shitty. if it wasnt, we wouldnt be complaining about it
I agree, it literally stoped me from playing. Mash x to win and cheese on high difficulties just isn't fun for anyone. I just downloaded the latest dlc and patch so I'll give it another wack but thqh this is the only game that's ever turned me off so much just from one aspect.
The combat is very good cause it's actually hard but not impossibly difficult or make the boss have 10000000 hp.
I have more fun fighting the first Griffin boss in it than fighting any boss in Bloodborne.
Souls isn't really open world though, at least not in the same way, Souls has cramped level design, The Witcher is open ended, could anyone really argue that Souls handles multiple enemy combat better than TW3?
I never really got why people on /v/ had such a problem with Witcher 3's combat. I can understand 1, the larger rpg focus combined with the rhythm game stuff is pretty out there and not to most people's tastes, and 2 was a broken mess of an action game, but 3 was totally fine even if you're just sticking with swords. There's nothing obviously wrong with it, and if you use all the tools at your disposal instead of just your sword it's actually fairly interesting, too. People don't really have any actually coherent critiques, too, they just say that it 'feels' bad if you ask. No one brings up the actual big problem with it (which is how op quen is), which makes me think people on /v/ are coming off of dark souls and just trying to use their swords for everything when that's not what this game is, at all. It would be like if you played Dragon's Dogma and only used your core skills.
for an open word
whay is this an excuse?
if its open world it means that if the combat is broken its ok because of the size of the map?
also open world has 0/10 level design
keep that in mind
its dodge around to an open point,go in for an attack,dodge the enemies attack when they aren't getting hit stunned,rinse and repeat. It's especially obvious when going up against bosses or big bulky enemies.
Not him, but because the game is gigantic in scope.
You may be a fucking child who has no understanding of how games are made.
You think "they can just make everything good" if they want to, theres no budget or time limit in your calculations, just whining, bitching and shitposting.
There are priorities when making video games and when you make a gigantic RPG with this level and quality of content, you can't make everything perfect.
Combat was low priority for TW3, that is obvious - just like it was for all the other Witcher games.
For that - its still fucking stellar.
>buh its nto as good as this other game
That game, whatever you want to mention, will be missing on many many aspects TW3 excels at.
>Be mad at a game
>Post the same webms for half a year.
>This valiant work doesn't stop the game from getting an enormous amount of GOTY awards
>Post objective flaws about why Open world and everything about TW3 is shit
>Get laughed at harder
>Get even more mad
>Shitpost in every single thread because of the eternal butt anger.
Because there really is no level design so the combat has to vaguely work in almost all instances given the devs can't really predict how a fight will play out, devs could tweak a castle design till their hearts content in Souls to make the fight interesting however in a world design that aims to reflect "realism" and is open ended filled with fields, woods and mountains you have to implement mechanics that can work well in an uncalculable amount of circumstances, which is why open world games all too often have shit combat or are simply fuck around sandboxes.
I've been playing recently and I think it suffers greatly by how tedious the combat is until you're at least like levels 8-10 and how you can't really explore too much or do contracts until then.
I was pretty angry and unhappy yesterday when I was playing because of this but now that I'm level 10 and have gotten better gear, the game isn't nearly as tedious and can actually really of fun. It's just a stark change between the earlier levels its kind of shocking. I can see why it would turn a lot of people off
As much as I liked dragon's dogma this is true.
Warriors feel like complete shit, fighters, despite having a shield, get a move with i-frames.
I didn't even bother with the other classes because I like pure melee fighters and they're kind of shit.
>So why are you angry about it?
did i says i was?
my comment is this
im actually pretty chill about it, all im saying is that the combat is shit. the fact that it was a low priority doesnt change it.
>If it's so shit you should be able to let it go
sure, that's why we had countless shitposting threads about cinematic games. if they're so shit, and they are,why dont people let it go?
>Same guy keeps repeating himself for half a year
>"HURR WHY WON'T YOU DISCUSS THE SAME THING FOR 6 MONTHS? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DEBUNK IT AFTER THE FIRST 200 TIMES? AS I THOUGHT!"
Hey the angry anon complaining about hitboxes, watch this
>Enjoy a certain playstyle
>Only play that way
>Don't play the way some faggot on the internet wants me too
>I'm wrong and not playing the game correctly.
Warrior class is fucking garbage
Fighter class was done pretty terribly.
>He's the angry one
>Still at this for 7 months.
yeah, it triggers me seeing geralt with those monster trophies?
you know why? you never feel like an actual monster hunter in the game, even the meditation phase and potions have been streamlined in tw3 compared to the 2nd installment.
literally a waste of potential, especially seeing how spamming quen is more effective.
but if all you want to hear is how perfect tw3 is, here it is: it's perfect.
>get really hype for DD because aparently it has a very deep and tight combat system TW3 cannot even hope to compete with
>just fucking spam Blink Strike and and keep hitting them while they're down
I've been tricked the last time.
I love TW3 with a passion, and I'd gladly take it in the butt for CDR.
But holy shit, the combat in TW3 is definately not the best. The rules and AI are all over the place, and there are a fuckton of hidden shit you won't find out about unless you do some actual research, like when you get i-frames or not because apparently the i-frames differ depending if you attacked or not and other factors.
No, fuck the combat in TW3. Even the first game using the Aurora engine had more fun combat.
Meditation phase was unfortunately dumbed down.
However TW2 wasn't the right answer.
Needing to meditate to drink potions was fucking stupid and required prior knowledge to utilize it effeciently.
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
TW3 IS BAD BECAUSE I SAY SO!
I LIKE GUNS MORE THAN SWORDS AND THESE WEBMS WILL PROVE ME RIGHT
EVERYONE HAS SHIT TASTE BUT ME
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
>and required prior knowledge to utilize it effeciently.
which you got from researching the monster you were going to fight. in witcher 1 you would find out what's up with the monster, generally know where and when you're gonna fight, then you would meditate to prep oils and potions. nothing wrong with that
>"aww yeah, griffin boss"
>get hit no matter what I do
>roll? get hit by a wing swipe
>dodge? get hit by a wing swipe
>every attack in the game is also homing, so pic related
Great game, shit combat because it's frustrating as fuck.
>you sad sjw
>you couldn't roleplay as...
I couldn't roleplay at all in this garbage game. Watching a fucking movie would have provided me more fun for the same fucking effect.
You should probably try out the other classes or at least get some skills for the classes you like before you drop it
I played warrior for a while because I love huge swords and big armor but found out that I really loved the assassin playstyle so much more
this is 100% correct
>but you can climb the enemies dude it's fucking epic!!!
what this actually means is you sit on the enemy's head and wail on him for 10 minutes (those giant health pools really add to the fun) and occasionally pop a mushroom
I-frames are in the game already, but it all depends on wether you have recently attacked or used a sign lately.
Watch this video;
Is time for "reviews and awards matter only when I like the game"?
>I couldn't roleplay at all
Because you play as Geralt, not your character.
Nah, DD is fine. Only annoyance with it is the shitty NG+.
Oh, and instakills in hard-mode. Man, fuck Grigori in hard mode. I don't want to switch to normal because the XP and gold rewards are so shitty, but at the same time I hate getting instakilled like that when there's no proper dodge mechanic.
Were you not here at all?
MGSV was shitposted by Underniggers that got BTFO because metacritic named MGSV it's GOTY.
Bloodborne was shitposted by Nintoddlers
And FO4 was just generally fucking shit.
And you're talking to someone who actually gives AAA titles a chance, unlike 90% of the faggot hipsters here.
so instead of improving it they just dumbed it down
>was fucking stupid and required prior knowledge to utilize it effeciently
instead of using banham vision the way they did, why dont use it to analyze monster traces or footprints? that way you'll know which monster you'll have to face and which potions and decoctions to use.
or simply most of the times the contracts, or the commoners hiring you, will give you a vague description of the monster and the player can figure it out reading the bestiary.
there's a lot of potential, and a lot of improvements that dont cost too much to implement. the problem is you just want to hear how perfect tw3 is.
Dank Souls 2 still makes me disgusted. I played it at release, and would get infuriated at enemies doing 180 degree turns mid swing. Literally mid swing, as the weapon was coming down, they would do about turns with their feet planted in the ground.
Yeah, I know that patches fixed it, and that the DLC made the world better, but the damage was done. I'm not getting Dank Souls 3 at release cause of it. Sides, nothing wrong with waiting 4 months then getting it at 75% discount on a steam sale.
Hey, I hear some nigger said that TW3 combat was only about spamming light attack until oblivion. Here's a proof that it's wrong. You can also spam heavy attacks!
Except the actual gameplay.
>no proper dodge mechanic
The classes that dont have the dodge roll have moves that have I-frames within them, and a lot of the classes do have a proper dodge roll mechanic.
To be honest it's my only gripe. I love everything about DS2, the better PC support, the more bonfires, fucking everything.
And then they made every enemy swivel around like that.
>DD has 9 vocations in comparison to TW3's one class
>somehow, each and every vocation in DD manages to be more fun than that one style of gameplay in TW3
And yet one game will sell 10 million and the other barely scratched two. Ain't nothing fair in this world.
piratedthe game recently, I don't get how people would say the combat system is bad.
I guess most people who complain about it are the ones who got frustrated because they couldn't even get past the Royal Griffin.
the climbing was kinda shit unless you were facing golems
>climb drake to hit its heart
>it flies up and you fall to your death
you can just sit there at their feet and mash buttons and its more effective than actually climbing them
Because everyone has shit taste but you my special little snowflake.
Or, you can take this into account when you shit talk advertisement budgets.
Either way you either play ball or sell like shit.
>I guess most people who complain about it are the ones who got frustrated because they couldn't even get past the Royal Griffin.
that's why the game literally has a story only difficulty mode
I don't know the controls for M/KB, but on a controller it always was R1 (stance/skills button) and A
Assassin, Ranger and Strider have them, some of the magic classes might have it too.
I tried liking this series but its too dialogue heavy. Having to spend 20 minutes talking to some dude about his marriage problems just so he'll admit he had a dead baby. Not hating on dialogue but this is just too much, and at times i really don't give a shit about a characters background, gime the shit I need to know so I can go kill monsters. but no, the game makes you have the conversations and if you try skipping through them too fast you'll fuck it up and then have to do some fetch bullshit for the character just so they aren't pissed at you anymore and are then willing to help so you can advance the story.
I mean if you really want to get invested in a game it might be nice but I just didn't care enough for any of it to try to get that invested.
>To be honest it's my only gripe.
It had more but I'll be honest and admit that it is just my shit opinions on the matter. Only that other games do similar things better like; music, story, open world etc. so for a "Souls" game to falter in the bosses and combat departments leaves little for the game to shine on since "souls" game are pretty simple in nature.
>MGSV posters shitposted in Witcher 3 threads for months
>Fallout 4 fans shitposted in Witcher 3 threads for a few days pre release
>out of a suddenly Bloodborne shills start shitting in every single Witcher, probably because it just released a DLC.
just let autists be autists dude. if all it takes to invalidate his 2 years of dedication is clicking on the "review history" button, then that just makes it funnier, whether hes a sony fanboy falseflagging or a genuine nintendo fanboy.
I remember threads yesterday where people said that Witcher has better combat than Bloodborne. Holy fuck
>muh victim complex
Ever wonder why there's never shitposting between the games you mentioned? You never see say an MGS fanboy shitpost in Bloodborne threads. It all always comes back to the Witcher drones. Every fucking time. I guess part of it being since the games are so dry and shit that there's literally nothing to talk about but a circlejerk of blog GOTY awards.
>Fallout 4 fans shitposted in Witcher 3 threads
That's not true. They flooded the front page, but they stayed in their own threads/
Bloodborne threads have been incessant ever since it released. There's more false-flag threads comparing it and W3 since the GOTY awards. You would have to be insanely dense to take them seriously.
>MGSV posters shitposted in W3 threads for months
This is correct.
Jesus, if I wanted to read so much irrelevant and boring bullshit I'd just read books. Nobody fucking cares about some random NPCs problems.
The quest design doesnt help either when its mostly stuff like
>talk to dude for 5 minutes
>go find a clue (its highlighted in red lol)
>follow a literal breadcrumb trail to where you need to go (again highlighted lol)
Like wew lads, amazing quests.
I wouldn't go as far as to call it the best ever.
But compared to some modern games like Bloodborne it's a god's gift.
Witcher shills are hilarious. I love just reading Witcher threads and seeing the amount off asspulls they use to justify their mediocre RPG games.
>TW1 is on par with MGS3
>same set of webms
>same set of arguments
Same autist at work.
Your choices have a great impact, it's a adult story and game treats you as one. Geralts choices all are in his character and what he would have done.
No, TW3 is a great RPG.
But the combat is shit.
Feel sorry for you, it's a great game. The Bloody Baron and his questlines are some of the best in the game, next to Witches of the Crookback Bog. Some of my friends could never get into Planescape for the same reason.
Of course, that, and the Infinity Engine.
>every shitpost is made by another fanbase!
Nigger, please. Everyone shitposts every now and then. Don't think too much about it, and don't "pick sides".
No, all of those games' threads were shitposted in by people who just use /v/ to shitpost. Mods are too scared to do anything significant on /v/ after the 'nazimod' era so dedicated retards can do whatever they like. (you can tell if you're an autistic neet like I am because they often use the same filenames ad infinitum, too)
>Witcherfags' only line of defense is a pic with goty awards
There was also a revelation that the most barebones weapon in Bloodborne (Ludwigs memeblade) has more moves than the entirety of Witcher 3s combat system
Just think about that.
The combat is perfectly serviceable and fun at its best, but clunky at its worst. Basically, it's alright.
But naturally as it is with /v/ it's always one of two polar extremes; cue the immense butt hurt of both sides.
It gets good by the time you unlock enough skills to go wild with each and every class. It's just that it takes a while for it to peak. That's not a bad thing. Not every game needs to be ADD bait.
STOP PLAYING RPGS
for fucks sake are you retarded to play games that are not meant for you?
Dialogue IS rpg genre.
>so much irrelevant and boring bullshit I'd just read books
>irrelevant and boring bullshit
and these people argue that tw is bad
It's a great game. If you would take a few seconds to take that cock out of your ass, you'd see it too. Past /v/ saw it in Witcher 1 and Witcher 2 but neo /v/ hates great open world games with fantastic stories it seems.
It sucks having been here for so long, and physically witnessing the change of /v/ with shitters like you.
Now this is what I called a moral choice in a video game.
mad max has better combat then TW3
isn't it two years by now? and tw2 was shorter but no better
>comparing combat to demon souls
>memes in the game
I can't remember everything.
Reminds me when Bioshock and cod4 came out, people actually were saying cod4 was better game.
You KNOW someone is desperate to shitpost when they're defending bamham combat.
I found BamHam combat to be more fun than TW3. Bamham knew it was a casual shit so instead it just made it fun with some stupid casual moves. TW3 thinks it's hot shit so you have gameplay made by devs with their heads so far up their own asses you can only smell the shit.
>fighting in skellige
>some guy yells "you only live once" as his battle charge
>One of the most interesting enemies in the game is getting shit on.
Plenty of other things to do beside combat. Story for example, and immersion.
Sure, *you* might not count them as gameplay mechanics, but Planescape is argued to be the best RPG of all time in many online polls, and it had atrocious combat yet a fantastic world, characters and story. Same thing with Morrowind.
Not every game was made for you, and not every game was made for me. And this is fine.
>Press other button to counter
I'm not seeing a difference. Witcher 3 had more ways to make combat tolerable, like magic, potions, ranged weapons and two different sword styles. Witcher 3 is a long game, and people inevitably get bored with mash X to win.
Taking other amazing mash X to win games like Beyonetta 2 or God Hand and anyone would be bored to death after 80hrs.
Yeah, someone that's shit at videogames is more able to enjoy a game where he can turn on a dime and get free iframes from hitting the dodge button.
Totally because TW3 had awful combat, which only autists here can rally behind.
Care to explain why it's so shit, then?
See, this fucking anon gets it
>"TW3 had shit combat! Everyone agrees"
>Point out GOTY awards
>"AD POPULUM THAT'S A FALLACY YOU LOSE"
The delusion is unrivaled.
Great another comfy Witcher thread.
What members did you pick in the heist in the HoS?
I picked elve girl and the top cuck dwarf guy.
Does it have different outcome if you pick different guys?
>game "journalists" shilling games
>their awards mean anything
I honestly think this is an early version of the game, because I did not have any issue with the hitdetection during this fight
>even warrior class doesn't feel as heavy as geralt
That's simply enough to tell why it is better than TW3.
Now I'm too lazy to explain why it stomps on TW3 in every way.
Then explain the userscore on metacritic?
It was able to survive all the faggots that tried to bomb it because of "muh downgrade"
Let me guess though, the user scores are shilled too because they don't agree with you?
-Skyrim had better magic
-Skyrim had better combat
-Skyrim had better armor,weapon crafting
-Skyrim had better weapons craft
-Skyrim bows weren't shit
-Skyrim's horse combat was less awkward
-Witcher 3 had a better story line
-Witcher 3 had better alchemy
-Witcher 3 had the toxic system that prevented potion whoring
-Witcher 3 Had better characters
-Witcher 3 had better monsters
Now both of them
-Skyrim and W3 both were cumfy as fuck
-Skyrim and W3 both had great music
Skyrim and W3 both had dumb terrible side games
Halfing dude is sleeping with the fishes, so you can only get the elf.
The dorf blows up the door, and causes combat in the negotiations no matter what you do.
The other thief lockpicks the vault, and there is no combat with the guards, but instead you have to fight a whole bunch of spiders in the vault instead.
I enjoy DD's combat more because it's simpler and allows me to have fun without stunlocking me at every turn. Climbing monsters is also fun as hell, and the controls are tight as fuck and skill system really solid, even with a M&KB.
Combat doesn't have to be super advanced in order to have fun anyway.
>praising AssCreed: BamHam-Spam2Wham EZ gameplay
>it's amazing that you think that webm makes the combat look good
Yeah, but you absolute fucktard, the point wasn't to prove that the combat was good but better than TW3.
Just look at the original post.
>Sword from enemy hits you through your fucking body
>LOL DOESNT MATTER BECAUSE I'M CHARGING MAH SUPER ATTACK
Mustard race must be starving for games because DD was medicore at best and this is just another proof how painful medicore the game is
>get bored with mash X to win
good thing it's not like that then, right?
i guess there is no way to kill this meme at this point, it's like nobody played the game
nobody talks about positioning, about two types of dodges that work better than bloodborne btw if you do not try to use it like in bloodborne
nobody talks about how fighting styles progress with new recipes, bombs, enemy types
being crowded by bandits is different to being crowded by sirens or drowners
posting webms in story mod difficulty, sure, nobody knows that on anything above normal whirl gets countered by anything except dogs
nobody posts noonwraith webms because they are decently hard to beat
everyone complaining about combat trying to play it like darksouls - it is not the same game stop comparing it to MGR,Bayo,BB,DMC = games with the same combat - it is different, it takes time to learn
i'm not saying its better or worse - it is different
>he other thief lockpicks the vault, and there is no combat with the guards, but instead you have to fight a whole bunch of spiders in the vault instead.
Not sure if that's a good thing.
The acrobatic elf chickened away half way through.
>Witcher 3 is a fun game
>Best open world in a decade
>Best story, that completes what 2 prior games and 10 years of work lead up to
>Beautiful women lusting after your cock and multiple whores in game
>Doesn't shy away from liberals trying to shit on it, defends PC gaming
>Does the best it can with action based combat
>Sold at multiple discounts, with Expansions that are bigger and have more content than other AAA releases
>Still gets shit posted
GRASPING AT STRAWS.
i wish there was a giant monster that you had to go into to hit its weak spot or something like that, the game is great when you first encounter them but gets boring after the 30th time you kill a cyclops or ogre while trekking through the land getting mobbed by low level bandits, wolves and goblins
It's better but the one shots from arc of deliverance or grand bolide or whatever are way less interesting than actual combat with the beasts where you have to actively participate.
>bawwww witchershills stop bullying me!! This is a hate free neogaf board stop making fun of me!
The first time I went on /v/ was about Jan of '12.
I remember there actually being videogame discussions that were actually fun to join in on, because people had actual debates.
Now, it's just shitflining, namecalling and fanboys filling up the pages with rhetoric that would make any english teacher scream in agony.
>getting gangbanged by wraiths
>as soon as one faggot ghost is finished his spin stunlocking you, another one literally teleports behind, unzips dick, and does the same
No, fuck wraiths. You need super reflexes or some shit.
Just look at these 2 faggots
the webms show the guy doing one of the moves with built in i-frames that only last for like 2 or 3 frames.
So no, you faggots dont know about the game enough to shitpost about it.
What are you, fucking 12 years old or something?
That's what /v/ said about /v/ in 2007.
AND THE CYCLE OF SHITPOSTING CONTINUES.
His reaction is fucking gold.
They must have some great animators.
they attack nowhere near as often as they should
there are plenty of times when they're behind him and they do nothing or they just sprint around like brainless chickens
literally all the low level enemies are like this too
I feel the same way, I spent several hours on a gang of ghoul that would regenerate faster than I could kill them, so I would use some decoction that made me make more damages the more I hit them without getting hit. It was pretty fun but it's pointless to try to discuss these games on /v/. I just talked about it on /vg/ after I finished the game and then moved on
bandits try to swarm sometimes
group combat is shit in DD, it's only worth is big monsters but then it gets down to finding weak spot-climbing-hitting until dead
>console exclusives never again
>Just look at these 2 faggots
Well, who cares? Let them shitpost. I fucking love TW3, and I find DD to be really fun. Combat doesn't need to be super deep or require superhuman reflexes or skill in order to be good. Sometimes, it just needs to be
fun. Some people find that fun in combat that requires a bit more of players, and some find it in less. Why are you letting random strangers on the Internet ruin your day?
Then they wouldn't be a contrarian, now would they? I'm not going to lie, I am one myself, but I've been noticing it lately and trying to stop because it's propblably annoying as hell to people I meet.
oh sweet jesus it's fucking real holy fuck
I've played it to near completion and I'm not even criticizing the game, just your retarded webm choice. The postgame guards are some of the easiest enemies in the game besides fucking goblins and bunny rabbits. It doesn't matter if he's broad slashing out of occasional slow as fuck telegraphed attacks, it's never going to be as impressive as taking down a chimping out elder ogre or the like.
26 weapons with 2 forms, totalling 52 weapons
16 off hand weapons, guns, flamethrowers, fists, miniguns, cannons
8 arcane spells
Every weapon has over 15 unique attack animations
blood gems affect how weapons act a lot, and can change elements entirely
Weapons behave differently if you're locked on or locked off
Bosses have dynamic phases
Bosses have dynamic combos they can cancel or continue, depending on your positioning
Bosses have dynamic music.
2 swords, with around 30 variants with varying stats.
5 magic spells
>best combat in an open world except Dragon's Dogma
>implying Dragon's Dogma has good combat
Dogma is fun as fuck but the combat is pretty basic and mashy.
xenoblade x has the best combat in an open world game that's come out recently but everyone on /v/ is too casual to play a non-action rpg
No. Your character is defined in Mass Effect, and it's still more a RPG than TW3.
Your character is defined on Planescape: Torment and it's still one of the games who push roleplaying to another level.
Yeah, that was a shame, but the game was great regardless. CD Projekt Red promised too much and wasn't able to deliver.
I'm not mad they had to cut corners, only disappointed. Witcher 3 was a hell of a ride, and I enjoyed it, a fucking lot. However, that doesn't mean I'll ignore correct points, like the ones you made. I just can't seem to work up the fucks to care.
>B-b-b-b-ut muh entitlement
Red Engine 1 for Witcher 2 came out a full two years and a game overhaul later. Keep bitching about mods though, I want them too and believe you're justified. I'm just too mature to keep bitching about something I have no control over. Tell you what anon, you can be my asshole for me, that talks shit on my behalf.
Too bad in Bloodborne the combat all boils down to "prss R1 3 times" or "Hold R2 than R1 for awesome takedown".
What a wasted potential. I didn't use anything other than the Ludwig's Holy Blade.
>and it's still more a RPG than TW3.
Eh, they're both RPGs. ME and DA lets you make *your* character, whereas TW lets you make Geralts choices.
They're both roleplaying games, but different.
This is fine.
Because why would I play a game with inferior combat to something I already have?
A game that to this day still runs like absolute dogshit on PS4, even with the numerous patches the "based" CDPR pumped out.
>Because why would I play a game with inferior combat to something I already have?
Because there's more to a game than fucking combat?
Ludwigs holy blade in itself has more moves than the entirety of the Witcher 3s combat system anon.
The fact that you played like a boring fuck doesnt make the combat bad.
>when one weapon has more moves than the entire other game in its combat mechanics
2 fucking swords
no axes, no halberds, no spears, no nothing.
2 swords, with the same exact movesets.
Really anon, really?
>MGSV posters shitposted in Witcher 3 threads for months
yep, I very much remember this. and then MGSV came out and the same people shitposted MGSV even though it turned out a decent game even without meeting the expectations. /v/irgins are the most retarded demographic I can think of
>no axes, no halberds, no spears, no nothing.
>2 swords, with the same exact movesets.
Because Witchers are trained as masters of sword. They don't use other weapons, because they don't really need them.
Let me just speak in this raspy voice and insert sex everywhere BECAUSE THIS GAME IS SO ADULT and shit and jump and roll and spin all over the place like a retard on blow oh and more edgy grey GRITTY themes and sex, cause we're soo adult, stuffed pony raspy voice grimdark teenage power fantasy GOTY
>Keep bitching about mods though
im not bitching though. pre-release they were promising to deliver with the redkit2, but they dropped it to work on the dlcs.
that's known fact, you can google it, its on their forum as well.
btw, that passive-agressive attitude of yours is not helping you. you're taking everything as a personal criticism, that pic shows it.
>playing video games for a story
What are you, a faggot?
Not in Bloodborne you don't.
No matter how much you meme around it, the game runs fine on 30 FPS
Meanwhile the witcher 3 drops to the low 20s everytime you go through areas with a horse, and the swamps drop to the 10s
>26 weapons with 2 forms, totalling 52 weapons
yeah no, there are 26 weapons, having different forms does not make it a new weapon
>16 off hand weapons, guns, flamethrowers, fists, miniguns, cannons
many of which are exactly the same moveset wise, if TW3 has only 2 swords then all pistols should be counted as the same
>blood gems affect how weapons act a lot, and can change elements entirely
that's ridiculous and you know it
they don't change how weapons act at all and TW3 also has weapon runes which function almost exactly the same
TW3 also has
>diverse and upgradable bombs that can be turned into cluster bombs
>all spells have a secondary function and are also upgradable
>enchantments can dramatically alter how you perform in combat
>new sword moves can be learned
>Not in Bloodborne you don't.
Don't make me hop on youtube just for one video anon.
>Doesnt mention that the spells can actually improve with every level you skill
>Mentiones off hand weapons as something special but doesnt mention that all of them are nearly the same except for the damage
>Weapons behave differently if you're locked on or locked off
Now making shit up
>Bosses have dynamic phases
Witcher too in some fights
>Bosses have dynamic combos they can cancel or continue, depending on your positioning
Same for Witcher
>Bosses have dynamic music.
Same for Witcher who had better music overall
>26 weapons with 2 forms, totalling 52 weapons
Most of them have the same attack pattern
I swear BB faggots are so retarded holy shit
>btw, that passive-agressive attitude of yours is not helping you. you're taking everything as a personal criticism, that pic shows it.
That's how oldfags taught me to type when I was new here. Typing in a passive aggressive manner is the only way I know how to type. I'm too old to change my ways. You're better than me, don't commit the same mistakes I have. Learn from me, little brown.
>Planescape: Torment and it's still one of the games who push roleplaying to another level.
>start with wis 18 (all other stats don't matter)
truly the next step in role playing games
if you want to praise pst writing it's ok (even if mostly amounts to "the d&d monster manual says normally this race is like X, but this character is the opposite. wow!" ) but please don't pretend it's any more of an rpg than a random japanese vn
Yeah, dont make me do that either.
The videos DigitalFoundry made of Bloodborne were in the first area of the game, and they also did it while in a co-op session. The framerate istable and runs fine
The videos they made of Witcher 3 were solo play on the newest patches, and it was substantially worse.
The 2 forms of a weapon all act completely differently, but I guess I agree with your point.
>all pistols should be counted as the same
Theres more to it than that, but its still more than anything in Witcher 3
>they dont change how weapons act
They do in terms of damage and resistances.
>diverse and upgradable bombs
BB has molotovs, poison knives, throwing knives, luring items, shaman bone blades
>all spells have a secondary function and are also upgradable
Spells are upgradable in BB as well from ARC scaling, but they dont have secondary functions, no.
>enchantments can dramatically alter how you perform in combat
And so can Runes or blood gems
>new sword moves can be learned
And BB still has more moves without having to learn moves.
Sounds like BB actually because 95% of the weapons in the game are actually useless-
Shallow combat is the argument against Bloodborne by the way:
>Wait for him to make one of his 2 attacks he has
>Repeat ad infinitum
Fight with Geralt
>Read up upon his in the Bestiarium
>Know he is weak against fire
>Equip Igni and some gasbombs
>He attacks me i roll aside
>Monster is thrown back
>Time to attack
>Monster gets up attack me
>Jump out of range
>Attack him monster actually blocks my attack and throws me 4 meters back where i'm staggered
>Take potion to get back my health up
>Equip Yrden to cast a spell where i can trap the monster to attack it longer
>Lure monster inside the circle
I see what the better game is Anon
Exactly, in real life.
Who needs that shit forced into a videogame all the time because who gives a fuck about pixel sex honestly unless you're a sex starved pimpley fuck it gets boring and cringey, just like the combat. Does that bother you ?
>NOT FOLLOWING THE SCRIPT
READ THE GOD DAMN LINES THEY GIVE YOU SHITTER
I didn't say the game was bad. I just said it wasn't my cup of tea. I don't mind dialogue I said that also in that post. its just the witcher pushes a shit ton of it and a lot of it feels completely irrelevant to what I came to that person to talk about.
>now making shit up
If you're locked on and do a sidestep or a backstep, your weapon gets new moves coming out of the step.
>most of them have the same attack pattern
Now youre making shit up.
>doesnt take into account multiple enemies
>doesnt take into account highly aggressive enemies
>doesnt take into account bosses
>implying you cant do all this shit in Witcher 3 as well
This isn't true at all, for any given 'equip' in Bloodborne you will have less distinct combat actions to take than you will in the Witcher 3. I don't even know why it's an issue, TW3 is focusing on recreating how an exact character would fight as well as it can, and Bloodborne (like all souls games) is trying to have a variety of distinct and interesting movesets to play with. You can't have both, but you don't need to have both.
>The 2 forms of a weapon all act completely differently
no they don't
Tonitrus literally just applies a buff, same goes for Boom Hammer and Stakedriver
>They do in terms of damage and resistances.
they change damage values and type, they have no impact on the how the weapon actually acts
>BB has molotovs, poison knives, throwing knives, luring items, shaman bone blades
doesn't come close to TW3's bombs
>And so can Runes or blood gems
not to the level of TW3's enchantments (make you immune to arrows, increase your sword range etc) with exceptions for the runes that transform you
you know you can like BB without trying to sell me it and making TW3 look like a pile of shit via lying through your teeth, I already said BB has better combat
I've played and loved both, TW3 is the better game though
>doesnt take into account multiple enemies
Actually you can confront every single enemy in BB alone by luring them away
>doesnt take into account highly aggressive enemies
>doesnt take into account bosses
Work the same fuckig way
>implying you cant do all this shit in Witcher 3 as well
The bread and butter gameplay of the witcher 3 is utter crap. Every quest is the same fucking shit. Listen to dialogue and wait to see how that conversation can be boiled down into walking a straight line down what is essentially a black corridor until you find a glowing yellow pile of shit that geralt talks to. The story is interesting, i dont even find the combat to be particularly terrible. The core gameplay however is 0/10. What you literally spend your time dojng in that game isnt the slightest bit fun. It is a chore to play and as a fan of the previous game I hate that. What I dont understand is that /v/ the kings of shitting on devs for wanting a bigger audience gives cd projekt a pass for passing up their core audience at part fucking 3 of a series to make an assassins creed clone.
Tonitrus and Boom Hammer get bonus elementals, but I can agree
Stakedriver does act differently though.
>damage values and type
Fair enough, its still a difference.
>doesnt come close
More items with more variety doesnt come close to bombs?
>TW3 is a better game though
>the game with worse gameplay is the better game
Oh okay, I think we're done here then.
Summary of every Witcher thread
>witcher is posted
>soulsfags shit post
>awards are posted
>hurr same weapons over and over in a game where witchers use swords only by lore
>hurr my hit boxes despite thousands of people playing the game just fine
>hurr glitches (100% accurate, plenty of bugs in the game)
>this continues forever
>luring them away
No you can't, some places simply have more than 1 or 2 enemies that you have to deal with at the same time, like the church in Old Yharnam or the Shadows fight for example.
Oh, so you dont know shit about the game then?
>work the same fucking way
What fucking way?
Do you have any idea what the fuck youre saying?
You cant just go
>lol, let me just hit you and back off
you have to time your attacks, think of the range, think of the timing for your dodge because bosses have multiple-hit attacks, and so on.
So why did you bullshit me with that shit list of a billion different, unnecessary steps you take in fighting one fucking monster with predictable stupid AI that loops itself endlessly?
>witchershill starts thread with shitposting (like here)
>other people list their pics and opinions for a better alternative
>witchershills think everyone whos shitting on the game are simply wrong and that the combat is great, flawless and without anything to criticize
>start posting about GOTY awards, because now they matter for some reason.
If a game has bad gameplay, its a bad game.
This is actually getting hilarious honestly
The same threads happened every day and you can almost tell which guy is which by their writing style. After a while it's always the same 5 familiar guys in the threads
The game has amazing characters, if you dont play w3 because of some /v/ contrarians memes you'll miss out.
>If a game has bad gameplay, its a bad game.
Totally agree. I guess that's why we love Witcher 3 so much, because it's actually focused on fun and entertaining gameplay instead of a grimdark walking simulator.
>mfw I liked the Bloody Baron questline more than the main quest
Maybe it's because I just now finished doing the Novigrad stuff, but damn it really hasn't been up to par with that.
What is stopping me from just watching a no-commentary lets play on youtube and experiencing the characters like that?
Why should I cough up 60 yuros just to experience a story?
Not a single story in video games is worth 60 yuros.
Just get it on sale you dingus, it's been down to $30 or less multiple times this year. If you're looking for excuses to pirate things, nothing is gonna stop you from doing that anyway. You're just trying to stirr up shit and talk about the justifications of pirating X game.
I guess it'd be alright to watch those linear cinematic games like dark souls on youtube because it'd be more or less the same experience. You can even smash your PS4 controller while watching it to pretend you're playing the game.
For games like Witcher with a bunch a choices and optional quest lines every playthrough would be vastly different. By just watching some guy playing you'd miss a lot of shit, or even an entire area in Witcher 2 case.
>played for 50 hours, doing a bunch of shit in Novigrad
>got to Skellige
>an entire fuck huge map of islands with completely differer setting and characters.
This shit blown my mind.
What other games do the same thing?
IF the gameplay is actually bad would it get all the gotys and 95% positive user rating on steam.
The gameplay is good and combat animations are fantastic, fluid and seamless. Its fun to watch.
It's funny watching anti Witcher shitters get btfo by the gotld tier combat and writing . Seriously it's like Ninja Gaiden Black fucked Planescape and Alpha Protocol yet it manages to sufpass all of them.
Honestly I feel like TW3 garnered so much praise that /v/ decided it needed to be shit on to prove the normies wrong. There's not much wrong with the game but its combat is standard. Not great not bad.
But seeing a weakness in an acclaimed game, they used it to invalidate everything else. It's easy too, you don't need to make a proper critique, just say the combat is awful
It's funny to watch the samefager grasping the straw everytime he got BTFO by an argument.
>gameplay is great
>that's not gameplay!
>gameplay is shit
>it's just too hard for you!!
>game has good reviews
>review don't matter!! it's paid review!!
>game has shit reviews
>haha confirmed for flop blunder of the century
>Now making shit up
No, it's true
>Witcher too in some fights
>Same for Witcher
>who had better music overall
My opinion is fact
>Most of them have the same attack pattern
Every single weapon in Bloodborne have different moveset with different speed, range and power.
Literally I'm making things out of my ass the post.
I like to see people shitting on the game with legit arguments because it just generates more discussion of the game, but when every post is like in this thread it's just shitposting.
At least write some more original posts if you don't want it to be that obvious.
>admits the combat is standard, not great not bad
>yet it's still acclaimed
it's acclaimed for being standard and not being special whatsoever, there were much better games released in 2015 yet its being pushed as the best one solely because it was marketed so well and everyone bought into it
>The best combat for an open world
>The best combat
>The best combat
>the same 5 webms where the player glitched the game with weird speed and shit
Yeah very convincing, I now start to puke when ever someone mention the game and my finger involuntarily start to type how witcher is shss-s-
WITCHER IS SHIT!
WITCHER IS SHIT!
WITCHER IS SHIT!
It had a good open world with lots of content, voice acting and strong writing. The combat pales in comparison to dragons dogma or souls but excels over other open world rpgs.
People were praising skyrim when it came out and look at this game compared to TES5. It helps put into perspective why tw3 was such a big deal.
Combat may have been standard but nothing else about it was, ever other aspect was great. And even at the end of the day the combat is still enjoyable
I think some posters just picked up their memes from TW2 and keep trying to force them. I mean, the two things I see the most in shitpost threads is that 3 has shit combat and that it's grimdark and edgy. It's obvious neither apply if you've played it but they definitely do to 2.
Only big name games released in 2015 that is better is bloodborne and mh4.
Just because better games come out doesn't invalidate this one. What do you care about goty for anyway?
This, even if you don't like the game you can at least acknowledge the amount of work they put into the game. If you looked at the first Witcher in 2007 no one would have believed you if you said that a no name studio would be able to make one of the biggest games of 2015.
Close to 28k people wrote a positive review about w3 on steam, 28k individuals whose opinion has more weight as they provenly own the game vs you. Popularity is popularity and you're part of the very, very, very small minority.
I like witcher and bb and dd and don't think they should really be compared. the systems work well within their own envirronments.
CoD is amazing game for the people who are its target audience. TLOUS is an exclusive so I dont see how its relevant.
Undertale is a good game. I played it because its ost was so good.
I hate Witcher but I honestly don't think the combat is bad.
I like the combat system in BB more because it's more arcadey fun where you can smash through your way mindlessly.
Witcher 3 combat is more strategic based that requires more precise timing to dodge and attack.
Yeah no red lines telling you where to walk, no tactical eagle vision either. Those 30,000 positive reviews too.
Close to 30k people wrote a positive review about undertale on steam, 30k individuals whose opinion has more weight as they provenly own the game vs you. Popularity is popularity and you're part of the very, very, very small minority.
>combat is worse then Dragon's dogma
>combat is worse then souls series
so, assuming we accept dark souls as even being in the same genre as witcher 3 (it isn't, but okay), from what I see in this thread this mean witcher 3 has the third best combat from an open world fantasy rpg game.
first of all, fallout 4 combat is terrible. Second of all, it's an open world fps, not an open world rpg
>It's trying to be Dark Souls and Asscreed but fails to surpass either
>similarities to dark souls
>you can dodge roll
>you can parry
>similarities to AssCreed
>you can parry
How are they even similar besides being 3rd person action games?
thing is you can turn that stuff off or rely on other things. you can see footprints without using witcher vision. and your medallion vibrates near traces of magic/monsters. pretty sure you can even turn off the mini map entirely
It tries so hard to be a generic fps that it ruins the rpg mechanics, and still can't manage to actually have good gunplay. Not to mention that you can just stand still, taking healing items as needed, without even needing to take cover or anything like that. Just like skyrim, where you can just keep spamming m1 until you need health then you pause and eat all the food.
>Are they not Arpgs now?
open world rpg has a very different design philosophy then any sort of action RPG.
Trying to say they're all the same just makes genre designations completely worthless.
Normally I might debate it with you, but you're fucking wrong. That said it's a pretty good game, just don't try to hype your combat up to me like it's awesome. It's okay designed, they just fucked up the execution of it.
pretty sure most of the thread agrees that souls has best combat
not to mention you're forgetting the qualifier
>OUT OF OPEN WORLD GAMES
so of course we're not counting DMC, DmC, Bayonetta, Godhand, sonic unleashed, street fighter, final fantasy, turn based rpgs, and every other completely unrelated genre you might want to compare because it's your favoritest game of all time or some shit.
Finally the fixed the shitty iframe issue.
Now you can get iframe by just standing! They're actually improving, holy shit.
Western games, everyone.
>boss has no build up in his attack animations
>just some shitty 'brush aside' animation that's hard to read and account for with your own movement options
>fucked up hitbox that hits you when you're not even close
>takes off like 35% of your health every time
>fucking circlestrafing while holding shield up fishing for backstabs garbage
this is why dark souls combat is a meme
backstab shouldn't be a fucking canned animation with invincible frames, it should just be "more damage if you attack the back" and that's it
Too bad I don't have the shortened version of this.
I'm playing through it at the minute, the combat isn't great for what it wants you to do most of the time, it doesn't seem designed to fight multiple opponents at a time. i saw the best ase of this when able to beat a wyvern 12 levels above me easily enough, but had trouble with a bunch of guys in the next quest that were only 7 above at most. Maybe it's having played Shadow of Mordor before it and being used to the more fluid counter and attack system tgat let you fight literal hoardes of enemies at once but i find The Witchers sub par.
I almost forgot, that with the horse auto button and the witcher shit vision that I have spent hours in this game watching a horse run down a glowy path on a black screen. This might be the worst game I have ever played.
I agree with this gentleman's honest opinion