I played Earthbound and got Undertale day one. They're both good games and so what if it has an homage to Earthbound, the game takes a lot of inspiration from Earthbound it's kinda made obvious, It's not like Toby tried to hide it or anything. Undertale is a good game and your a fucking faggot who loses sleep over shit you shouldn't even care about. Think about this >Toby looked up to Earthbound and Itoi >Kid Toby probably never thought he would ever make a game that good >He then took up game development and made his own game >It's got popular as fuck and has surpassed the game he's always looked up to (in terms of popularity and success) >Itoi has probably noticed Undertale's existance and is happy for Toby >Toby is 23 and has fulfilled his dream >You still haven't Not even sucking Toby's dick, I hate Earthbound obsessive faggots but atleast this guy has actually done something with his life.
>>324350113 I wish this game copied earthbound more, but outside of this one specific boss, the ghost boss theme and the ending where you get to wander the entire game world and chat with everyone about how you saved the world it doesn't really
the game instead steals from mother 3 a lot, even though that game is fucking garbage
>>324352050 this would work better as an argument if it wasn't for the fact that the only things people praise about this game is it's writing and music
>but the combat
nah fuck off, the boss fights are pretty great but the regular fights are boring as fuck outside of playing around with the dialogue system (which is yet more text) and toby is never gonna finish that hard mode
>>324351787 why do people still post this "nobody is talking about pancakes :(" shit every day there are an equal number of 'hey guys what did you think of UT i loved it' and 'this game is garbage' threads
>>324352475 reference is not the same as a meme. A meme is an inside joke, a situation that's funny to only that witnessed it, but on a massive level and it gets old because everyone is able to see the situation through the internet and repeat it over and over again.
>>324352808 plantation style pancakes are the best, but that's just my opinion. buckwheat/banana are a close second only ever had the cocolate chip ones from ihop, and they're really good. may add them to buckwheat pancakes next time I make one. t.pancakefag
The Undertale shitposters came back because they realized once they left, people actually stopped paying attention to their shitposting and the people who like the game just got to enjoy their threads.
>>324353076 I'd say it becomes a ripoff when the biggest appeal for the game, ends up being a completely copy and paste of another game in every way. For Undertale, its main appeal is its branching story leading to multiple different endings. Earthbound does not have this.
Its not hard to know the differences between: Homage and Ripoff. Remake and Remaster. Rehash and Sequel.
>>324353379 >Homage and Ripoff. >Remake and Remaster. >Rehash and Sequel. i don't follow this logic at all, but the rest of your post is fine, where the fuck do you get off thinking remakes and rehashs are the same as ripoffs? they aren't even comparable.
>>324353590 He made a good point, you're just ignoring it and instead Instead of telling him why he's wrong you just made a shitty passive aggressive greentext post with a reaction image, proving nothing.
>>324353379 Just because Undertale is different in many aspects, doesn't mean that it can't rip off another game on other aspects. OP's picture goes way beyond a homage. That's a key element/experience for Undertale players. That right there, is what keeps in people's minds and where originality is in order. Instead he chose a blatant rip off, because Undertale is in its entirety, nothing but a cheap shot at elements that made Earthbound great.
You're right anon, it's not hard, but you're the one not getting it.
>>324353731 OK, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH /v/'s READING COMPREHENSION NOW?
>Someone asks "at what point does a homage become a ripoff?" >I state: "When its ripping off the main appeal of what it is giving homage to." >Then, I state: "Undertale's appeal is in its branching story and multiple endings." >Then, I state: "Earthbound does not have this" to say that this is why I believe it not to be a ripoff, because its main appeal is different from Earthbound's main appeal. >Then, I name other examples of people getting two terms like ripoff and homage confused. >Then, one idiot thinks I am trying to compare the actual terms ripoff and homage to my examples of other words people get mixed up. >Now, you are suddenly talking about how "that's not unique to Undertale", when I never said it was in the first place.
Seriously, what the fuck is going on? Is it no reading comprehension time or something, or do some people need to get some sleep?
>>324354080 >people call sequels rehashes all the damn time. That's what you're going with? With trollposts from /v/? Really? It's ironic that you ask him if its his first day on the internet, when it's obvious that you've never been outside of /v/, and use shitposts to make a point.
>>324354202 to clarify, i don't think the game's a ripoff in its entirety, and i never stated it was. pieces of it (a majority) are ripoffs, but i still haven't called the game a ripoff. MY arbitrary interpretation of ripoff is a game that heavily 'borrows' plot elements and relies on them because the creator can't write for shit.
>>324354043 >I'd say it becomes a ripoff when the biggest appeal for the game, ends up being a completely copy and paste of another game in every way. For Undertale, its main appeal is its branching story leading to multiple different endings. Earthbound does not have this. You read this? That's what he said, in case you read the wrong post. He made a good point, Undertale's gimmick is the branching paths, Earthbound didn't have this gimmick, you can't really say Undertale is ripping off Earthbound as far as the story progression goes. What would you define as a ripoff?
>>324354080 >people call sequels rehashes all the damn time never seen someone do that seriously and i've been shitting up the internet for an embarrassingly long time. i'll admit I haven't been on here much in the last two years, so if it's some hot new meme I missed it.
>>324354168 Giygas and Flowey might both be spooky but that does not make one a ripoff of the other The whole "cry for help" thing is pulled straight from Earthbound but Flowey is far from a ripoff of Giygas.
>>324354491 hey man I agree with him, his entire post does hinge on his definition of ripoff(which I happen to agree with) >becomes a ripoff when the biggest appeal for the game, ends up being a completely copy and paste of another game in every way this is his definition of ripoff, I happen to agree with it but by no means is this a good point to hinge your entire argument on. >every way someone could easily discard the entire argument because of this.
>ITT: one faggot desperatey trying to prove that Memetale's blatant rip offs are "homages" instead. Funny, but seriously. Are Memetale fans the worst neo-fanbase on the internet? I mean, of course 95% of them are too young to have played Earthbound, and at least 50% can't differentiate between homage and rip off(this thread proves that.)
>>324354605 >My definition of ripoff is correct and yours is not You have just as much ground to stand on as that guy Undertale has more than enough content that separates it from Earthbound for me to consider it not being a ripoff You're more than welcome to tell me why I'm wrong if you're feeling up to doing more than fucking greentexting
I feel like the word 'ripoff' implies that a project relies on whatever it's ripping off in order to succeed.
In the same way, Zynga's games were huge ripoffs because they would copy other games without really adding anything new to them. They wouldn't even bother changing the UI or mechanics, which made it seem like they weren't competent enough to make good games on their own and needed other games to make their decisions for them. If enough changes are made from the original work, I wouldn't personally call it a ripoff.
Homage also seems to imply that the target audience is aware of the work it's derived from.
Whether or not all this applies to Undertale may depend on all sorts of things.
>>324354168 At least this person knows and understands what I am saying, thank you.
>Just because Undertale is different in many aspects, doesn't mean that it can't rip off another game on other aspects.
This is true. I never said it wasn't.
>OP's picture goes way beyond a homage.
Yes, you are correct there, but then again, Earthbound ripped it off a old dragon quest game too.
>That's a key element/experience for Undertale players.
Wait, you mean the Omega Flowey fight? Cause if you do mean that fight, its not. Not every played pacifist first, even though people would recommend it.
>That right there, is what keeps in people's minds and where originality is in order.
If you are trying to say that the Omega Flowey fight is memorable, I would say that yes it is. So you would be right there.
>Instead he chose a blatant rip off, because Undertale is in its entirety, nothing but a cheap shot at elements that made Earthbound great.
Which Earthbound ripped off of as well. So the correct terminology would be, its a game that has some homages and ripped off elements from Earthbound, which is a game that has homages and ripped off elements from other games.
My point still remains valid in that Undertale isn't a complete ripoff of Earthbound. And yes, I am being 100% literally in this, because I am going to take your blanket terminology, rip it up and strangle you with it. Its not a 100% ripoff of Earthbound, which is what people were saying.
>Wat? Nobody was saying it was a complete ripoff?! Just that it rips off Earthbound.
Then be grammatically correct, and say it just rips off a lot of aspects from Earthbound, and stop thinking you can use blanket generalizations like "its a ripoff of a game" on the internet without being called out on it.
>>324354491 Look at OP's picture you faggot. That's not a homage, no matter how hard you keep telling yourself that. It's not about the fucking "branching paths" or whatever the fuck the game has, it's about the blatant rip offs it has. Like, once again, OPs picture.
An homage would have been an NPC dressing the same as Ness, or a character name appearing. Or even the exact same text Earthbound has, in a minor scene, so it doesn't impede Undertale's originality, where it is necessary.
Once again: OP's picture does NOT show a homage. It's a rip off, since it tries to come around as it's own scene, but was clearly taken from Earthbound and then rewritten for his own purpose. That goes even more since it's not a minor scene, but one of the key scenes of the game. a scene in which, originality is the key. Talk about Undertale as game, and its differences as much as you want, but OPs picture shows a blatant rip off. Even if toby came out and said that he intended it as a "homage", which he probably will at some point to do damage control
>>324354407 >to clarify, i don't think the game's a ripoff in its entirety >in its entirety
That's the conclusion people jump to when you don't add the extra wording. Then again, it's more cause of /v/ being so used to arguing that some people assume that if you post, you are expecting a argument in the first place.
>>324355203 The irony there is, that the point that Earthbound ripped off DQ is a joke. The system Earthbound uses is so basic, that it can't count as rip off just because of basic gameplay elements and design decisions you'd find in a lot of japanese games at the time.
Earthbound was original where it counted: Story, setting, design, writing etc. I.e: the creative branch. Undertale is the opposite, it is it's own in terms of mechanics, but is relying on Earthbound in pretty much every other aspect. The only point of creativity you can grant Undertale, is the antropomorphism, which is, as pretty much anyone would agree, not the biggest accomplishment these days.
>because I am going to take your blanket terminology, rip it up and strangle you with it kek. You did a good job there fella. Reading comprehension is something you should acquire before making a fool out of yourself.
>I hate BuzzwordTale because BuzzwordTale is a buzzword pandering buzzword game that only buzzword people like because it has buzzword elements in it. >Buzzword Buzzwordtale fags need to buzz off with they're shitty buzzword game >Lol I just proved BuzzwordTale is a shitty buzzword game. >If you disagree with me you are a Buzzword
>>324350743 The fact you had to post or create this image just strikes you as slow instead of clever. You can bet top dollar that, if for some retarded reason Nintendo had allowed him to use their assets, he would've made the fatal mistake of setting the game in the Earthbound universe. No, really. He's that obsessed about Mother.
Also, of ALL the things you could reference, you chose Mettaton = Metatron for name only? Because nothing else, dude.
>>324356124 Ironic that you're saying that. Lemme break it down for you, since its clear you're incapable of reading.
>That's what you're going with? With trollposts from /v/?
First implication. Its implied that this is only used for trolling, and it specifies from /v/.
> Really? It's ironic that you ask him if its his first day on the internet, when it's obvious that you've never been outside of /v/, and use shitposts to make a point.
Second implication. Implying that outside of /v/, this doesn't happen. Because if it did happen, it'd imply its not a phenomenon exclusive to /v/ and thus can be encountered anywhere, meaning theres no justification for assuming that someone has never left /v/.
>>324356618 Well, he wasn't sponsored by Nintendo, nor is the game still in beta, is it? Of course it's hypothetical, though I wouldn't go as far as saying subjective. Go take a nice listen to all his pre-undertale tracks and works. Most of it screams EB.
>>324356602 >Meme legitimate criticism, the game includes internet memes and imo that takes away from the experience >Tumblr legitimate criticism, the game includes a lot of progressive elements that were inserted to directly pander to tumblrinas, toby himself and his friends all worked on homostuck and circlejerked on tumblr for years before undertale's announcement. >SJW legitimate criticism, SJWs are using undertale to further their agendas because it checks every box on their 'ideal game' list >Reddit >le go back to reddit is posted in every thread. >Autism so is this >Pandering legitimate because the game panders to a lot of undesirable groups such as >Furry these faggors >LE can also be found in most threads due to le ironic shitpost man >XD so can this
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