This... this game has good writing, I swear! If you don't

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Why can't you faggots fix this shit

>>324350113
I've played both games and you're still a faggot.

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>>324350113

>>324350113
Yes and Dark Souls "ripped off" Berserk, etc.

Also your picture is wrong. "You called for help but nobody came" is actually dialogue in earthbound. But not where your image shows. Quit baiting.

Game Y that pays homage to Game X is similar to Game X

More news at 11

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>>324350113

>Le bad time meme
>Anime is REAL
>Papyrus starman uniform
>Le Doge mr saturn
>Cavestory Arthur I mean Gaster older brother character that is dead before the game begins
>le trash meme

>"B-but, it's an HOMAGE!"

Toby confirmed for the Tarantino of games.

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I played Earthbound and got Undertale day one.
They're both good games and so what if it has an homage to Earthbound, the game takes a lot of inspiration from Earthbound it's kinda made obvious, It's not like Toby tried to hide it or anything.
Undertale is a good game and your a fucking faggot who loses sleep over shit you shouldn't even care about.
Think about this
>Toby looked up to Earthbound and Itoi
>Kid Toby probably never thought he would ever make a game that good
>He then took up game development and made his own game
>It's got popular as fuck and has surpassed the game he's always looked up to (in terms of popularity and success)
>Itoi has probably noticed Undertale's existance and is happy for Toby
>Toby is 23 and has fulfilled his dream
>You still haven't
Not even sucking Toby's dick, I hate Earthbound obsessive faggots but atleast this guy has actually done something with his life.

Man, shitposters aren't even content staying in their own threads these days are they? Now they have to make threads just to shitpost?

Every criticism a person has with the game can usually be boiled down to being answered with a quote from Flowey.

Here, I will start.

>This game has bad writing

Flowey: "Its just dialogue, so why would anybody care about it? Do you like reading books or something?"

>>324350113
I wish this game copied earthbound more, but outside of this one specific boss, the ghost boss theme and the ending where you get to wander the entire game world and chat with everyone about how you saved the world it doesn't really

the game instead steals from mother 3 a lot, even though that game is fucking garbage

>>324351613

>I don't know what "homage" means

>>324352050
this would work better as an argument if it wasn't for the fact that the only things people praise about this game is it's writing and music

>but the combat

nah fuck off, the boss fights are pretty great but the regular fights are boring as fuck outside of playing around with the dialogue system (which is yet more text) and toby is never gonna finish that hard mode

>>324350743
>>324350113
>the game was built to be a sea of references from pretty much day 1
>use that fact as a negative point as if it was surprising at all

>>324351787
why do people still post this "nobody is talking about pancakes :(" shit
every day there are an equal number of 'hey guys what did you think of UT i loved it' and 'this game is garbage' threads

>>324352050
You know, I'd say that the writing isn't that bad, but its executed outstandingly well. Especially the meta stuff.

>>324352375
>game was built to be a sea of references
would you call it a...
m e m e g a m e?

>>324350113
>>324350743
>What is an homage

sans = ballos

>>324352391
Everyone loves Unreal Tournament

>>324352480
>324352480
>using so many references that your game lacks substance and nothing is original is somehow a good or excusable thing

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>>324350113
>game is openly heavily influenced by Earthbound
>surprised there's a scene heavily influenced by Earthbound

>>324352480

Usually a small aside reference and not a pivotal event.

>last thread goes up
>switch tactics and make another
you aren't sly, just fucking stop
you can't go 30 minutes without making a thread, what does that say?

I mean, the game clearly draws a lot of inspiration from EarthBound.

If you needed shitposting to prove that to you you're probably real dense.

And >>324350743 is just retarded.

>>324352391
>half of the Undertale threads are shitposting about there being too many Undertale threads
is that supposed to be a good thing?

>>324352480
>implying shitposters would understand artistic concepts or words beyond a third-grade level

>>324352570
shut up pancakelord

Coulda at least spoiler'd it.

>>324352628
This.

It's just shitposters looking for reasons to rag on the game.

>>324352619
so pancakes.jpg = stop making these fucking thread pls?
i never understood it because food analogies are always terrible, and I really like pancakes.

>>324352475
reference is not the same as a meme. A meme is an inside joke, a situation that's funny to only that witnessed it, but on a massive level and it gets old because everyone is able to see the situation through the internet and repeat it over and over again.

Axiom Verge was heavily influenced by Super Metroid. It was a great game and had its own identity.

Undertale was "heavily influenced" by Earthbound. It literally steals lines from the game made for people who will never play Earthbound or know anything about Ness other than he's in Smash Bros.

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>>324350113
>Game's creator is very open about his love of Earthbound and of the amount of inspiration that he drew from it when creating Undertale
>HA I CAUGHT HIM NOW!

>>324352742
What are the best pancakes?

I like sweet pancakes, like when they have bananas or chocolate chips.

>>324352808
>bananas
das it mane

>>324352628
>>324352719
Stay mad Toby

>>324352808
Mother fucking almond cranberry pancakes are the best thing i have tasted in my life.

>>324350113
>Undertale references Earthbound

MY GOD, I'M STUNNED.

>>324352363
Like I said, its just dialogue.
>But people praise the game for its writing and music.
True, but that's them, not you.
>The combat is bad

Well, that's a matter of opinion, but if you don't like it, I would DEFINITELY say that you shouldn't bother playing it. EVER.

>>324352570
>its just a reference so its okay :)

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>>324352628
at what point does homage become ripoff?

>>324352912
Just fucking grow up

>>324353076
Game I like = homage

Gane I don't like = ripoff

The dude used to make Earthbound romhacks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIowwZThIXM

>>324352808
plantation style pancakes are the best, but that's just my opinion.
buckwheat/banana are a close second
only ever had the cocolate chip ones from ihop, and they're really good. may add them to buckwheat pancakes next time I make one.
t.pancakefag

The Undertale shitposters came back because they realized once they left, people actually stopped paying attention to their shitposting and the people who like the game just got to enjoy their threads.

Just ignore the faggot and move on.

>>324352760

This.
Undertale takes so much from games like Earthbound and Cave Story that it feels plagiaristic.

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>>324352912
please nigga don't be so desperate to discredit my post

you have every right to hate the game, and I'm sure you have your reasons to, but don't pretend for a second that having dialogue inspired by earthbound is a valid reason to be mad

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>>324353159
that's for that 'totally not a shitpost' response.
these threads are kill on arrival, just stop making them.

>>324353159
>reducing arguments against undertale to "you're just saying that because you don't like it"
why do people keep doing this

>>324352719
>game comes out
>everyone praises its originality and humor
>except it's not original or funny
>"i-i-it's an homage u guise!!!"
>>>/vg/

>>324353076
I'd say it becomes a ripoff when the biggest appeal for the game, ends up being a completely copy and paste of another game in every way. For Undertale, its main appeal is its branching story leading to multiple different endings. Earthbound does not have this.

Its not hard to know the differences between:
Homage and Ripoff.
Remake and Remaster.
Rehash and Sequel.

>>324353269
Fuck off moron, he literally takes Earthbound changes a few sprites and rewords some shit and you retards eat it up

>>324353379
>Homage and Ripoff.
>Remake and Remaster.
>Rehash and Sequel.
i don't follow this logic at all, but the rest of your post is fine, where the fuck do you get off thinking remakes and rehashs are the same as ripoffs? they aren't even comparable.

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>>324353379
>the game doesn't fit into my completely arbitrary definition of ripoff, so the only possibility is that it's an homage to earthbound

>>324353385
Except that's all a load of bullshit

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>>324353385
that's an awfully dumb thing to say

you sure you don't want to rethink your post and get back to me once you have something smarter to say?

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>>324353609
fuck off autist

>>324353546
>I don't follow this logic at all

You don't follow the logic of people confusing similar terms to mean the same thing?
Like with homage and ripoff? People confuse those terms all the time, and use that excuse to shitpost.

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>>324353590
>the game doesn't fit into my completely arbitrary definition of homage, so the only possibility is that it's a ripoff of earthbound

>>324353379

That's a generic feature that's present in hundreds of other games. It's not the uniquebm feature that made Undertale popular.
Meme humour, excessive referenceing and FA characters did.

>>324353546
Those are all common things people say to bash a game and use interchangeably, much like Homage and Ripoff.

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>>324353727
i never tried to define ripoff because i never called it a ripoff. it's just incredibly unoriginal and can't hold itself together without referencing other works.

>>324353731
>meme humour
i hate this meme.

>>324353696
>>324353793
I don't see how that's possible, those terms are not comparable, homage and ripoff are.

>>324353727
>>324353821
this is getting smug way too fast.

>>324353590
He made a good point,
you're just ignoring it and instead
Instead of telling him why he's wrong you just made a shitty passive aggressive greentext post with a reaction image, proving nothing.

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>>324353912
>calling colloquialisms you dislike memes
we come full circle

>>324353963
>good point
>based entirely around his arbitrary definition of 'ripoff'
ayy

>>324353961
I don't normally say this but..Is this your first day on the internet or something? If nothing else, people call sequels rehashes all the damn time.

>>324353963
he's phrasing things in a very black and white way where he assumes that the only arguments being made are whether or not the game a ripoff or homage in its entirety.

>>324353379
Just because Undertale is different in many aspects, doesn't mean that it can't rip off another game on other aspects. OP's picture goes way beyond a homage. That's a key element/experience for Undertale players. That right there, is what keeps in people's minds and where originality is in order. Instead he chose a blatant rip off, because Undertale is in its entirety, nothing but a cheap shot at elements that made Earthbound great.

You're right anon, it's not hard, but you're the one not getting it.

>>324353821
>I never called it a ripoff, it's just that it's a ripoff
Using synonyms does not change your argument.

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I JUST WANT THE UNDERFUCK THREADS TO STOP
ALL OF YOU FUCKING STOP, ITS NOT FAIRS THAT THESE THREADS AND THIS GAME EXISTS

>>324353731
OK, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH /v/'s READING COMPREHENSION NOW?

>Someone asks "at what point does a homage become a ripoff?"
>I state: "When its ripping off the main appeal of what it is giving homage to."
>Then, I state: "Undertale's appeal is in its branching story and multiple endings."
>Then, I state: "Earthbound does not have this" to say that this is why I believe it not to be a ripoff, because its main appeal is different from Earthbound's main appeal.
>Then, I name other examples of people getting two terms like ripoff and homage confused.
>Then, one idiot thinks I am trying to compare the actual terms ripoff and homage to my examples of other words people get mixed up.
>Now, you are suddenly talking about how "that's not unique to Undertale", when I never said it was in the first place.

Seriously, what the fuck is going on? Is it no reading comprehension time or something, or do some people need to get some sleep?

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>>324350113
omega flowey gets creepier and creepier no matter how many times i see it

>>324354080
>people call sequels rehashes all the damn time.
That's what you're going with? With trollposts from /v/? Really? It's ironic that you ask him if its his first day on the internet, when it's obvious that you've never been outside of /v/, and use shitposts to make a point.

>>324354301
ur a fag go shit ur mum

>>324354202
to clarify, i don't think the game's a ripoff in its entirety, and i never stated it was. pieces of it (a majority) are ripoffs, but i still haven't called the game a ripoff. MY arbitrary interpretation of ripoff is a game that heavily 'borrows' plot elements and relies on them because the creator can't write for shit.

>>324354301
Nigger its midnight and i am just getting over a cold. I really enjoyed undertale but the threads are only good for shitposting.

>>324354368
Are you trying to imply that /v/ is the only place that says this shit?

>>324354043
>I'd say it becomes a ripoff when the biggest appeal for the game, ends up being a completely copy and paste of another game in every way. For Undertale, its main appeal is its branching story leading to multiple different endings. Earthbound does not have this.
You read this?
That's what he said, in case you read the wrong post.
He made a good point, Undertale's gimmick is the branching paths, Earthbound didn't have this gimmick, you can't really say Undertale is ripping off Earthbound as far as the story progression goes.
What would you define as a ripoff?

>>324350113
>hurr durr 2 things are the same so clearly it was copied
japs shamelessly copy music and ideas anyway so i doubt earthbound is original at all.

>>324354080
>people call sequels rehashes all the damn time
never seen someone do that seriously and i've been shitting up the internet for an embarrassingly long time.
i'll admit I haven't been on here much in the last two years, so if it's some hot new meme I missed it.

>>324354168
Giygas and Flowey might both be spooky but that does not make one a ripoff of the other
The whole "cry for help" thing is pulled straight from Earthbound but Flowey is far from a ripoff of Giygas.

>>324354301

You do kiddo, it's well past bedtime

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>>324354491
>i'm of the arbitrary opinion that his arbitrary definition of ripoff is a good definition, so you're wrong

>>324354407
Alright I'll give you that, thanks for clarifying.

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>>324354662
anytime hombre

>>324354568
It depends on largely where you look as well. A good example tends to be discussion on pokemon or Zelda. Long running series in general tend to get this quite a bit.

>>324354491
hey man I agree with him, his entire post does hinge on his definition of ripoff(which I happen to agree with)
>becomes a ripoff when the biggest appeal for the game, ends up being a completely copy and paste of another game in every way
this is his definition of ripoff, I happen to agree with it but by no means is this a good point to hinge your entire argument on.
>every way
someone could easily discard the entire argument because of this.

>>324350113
I hate Undertale and think it's overrated!
I'd better make another thread about it!

>ITT: one faggot desperatey trying to prove that Memetale's blatant rip offs are "homages" instead.
Funny, but seriously. Are Memetale fans the worst neo-fanbase on the internet? I mean, of course 95% of them are too young to have played Earthbound, and at least 50% can't differentiate between homage and rip off(this thread proves that.)

>>324354713
makes sense, zelda and pokemon are prime targets for shitposters and kiddies.
why partake in garbage?

>>324354605
>My definition of ripoff is correct and yours is not
You have just as much ground to stand on as that guy
Undertale has more than enough content that separates it from Earthbound for me to consider it not being a ripoff
You're more than welcome to tell me why I'm wrong if you're feeling up to doing more than fucking greentexting

>>324354871
It also has extended into pretty much any sequel these days, but those are some examples where its very easy to see.

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>>324354884
that anon is just trying to point out that your argument was shit, and you just had to keep digging, making your shitty argument into a laughable and whiny sounding blogpost.

>>324354605
And your arbitrary greentext and arbitrary reaction image on your arbitrary post proves that my arbitrary definition of arbitrary is arbitrarily incorrect?

I feel like the word 'ripoff' implies that a project relies on whatever it's ripping off in order to succeed.

In the same way, Zynga's games were huge ripoffs because they would copy other games without really adding anything new to them. They wouldn't even bother changing the UI or mechanics, which made it seem like they weren't competent enough to make good games on their own and needed other games to make their decisions for them. If enough changes are made from the original work, I wouldn't personally call it a ripoff.

Homage also seems to imply that the target audience is aware of the work it's derived from.

Whether or not all this applies to Undertale may depend on all sorts of things.

>>324354884
I'm not on the same ground as him because I never called Undertale a ripoff or homage either way.

Can't it be both an homage AND a ripoff?

Homage implies paying respect to a thing and ripping-off implies being too much like a thing. In this instance it's just being too much like the thing while it's doing an homage to it.

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>>324355020
you're being pretty fuckin' arbitrary, dude

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>>324354747
I can't even read this post through all the buzzwords.

>>324354168
At least this person knows and understands what I am saying, thank you.

>Just because Undertale is different in many aspects, doesn't mean that it can't rip off another game on other aspects.

This is true. I never said it wasn't.

>OP's picture goes way beyond a homage.

Yes, you are correct there, but then again, Earthbound ripped it off a old dragon quest game too.

>That's a key element/experience for Undertale players.

Wait, you mean the Omega Flowey fight? Cause if you do mean that fight, its not. Not every played pacifist first, even though people would recommend it.

>That right there, is what keeps in people's minds and where originality is in order.

If you are trying to say that the Omega Flowey fight is memorable, I would say that yes it is. So you would be right there.

>Instead he chose a blatant rip off, because Undertale is in its entirety, nothing but a cheap shot at elements that made Earthbound great.

Which Earthbound ripped off of as well. So the correct terminology would be, its a game that has some homages and ripped off elements from Earthbound, which is a game that has homages and ripped off elements from other games.

My point still remains valid in that Undertale isn't a complete ripoff of Earthbound. And yes, I am being 100% literally in this, because I am going to take your blanket terminology, rip it up and strangle you with it. Its not a 100% ripoff of Earthbound, which is what people were saying.

>Wat? Nobody was saying it was a complete ripoff?! Just that it rips off Earthbound.

Then be grammatically correct, and say it just rips off a lot of aspects from Earthbound, and stop thinking you can use blanket generalizations like "its a ripoff of a game" on the internet without being called out on it.

>>324354491
Look at OP's picture you faggot. That's not a homage, no matter how hard you keep telling yourself that. It's not about the fucking "branching paths" or whatever the fuck the game has, it's about the blatant rip offs it has. Like, once again, OPs picture.

An homage would have been an NPC dressing the same as Ness, or a character name appearing. Or even the exact same text Earthbound has, in a minor scene, so it doesn't impede Undertale's originality, where it is necessary.

Once again: OP's picture does NOT show a homage. It's a rip off, since it tries to come around as it's own scene, but was clearly taken from Earthbound and then rewritten for his own purpose. That goes even more since it's not a minor scene, but one of the key scenes of the game. a scene in which, originality is the key. Talk about Undertale as game, and its differences as much as you want, but OPs picture shows a blatant rip off. Even if toby came out and said that he intended it as a "homage", which he probably will at some point to do damage control

>>324354481
Are you implying that this shit didn't spread from /v/? I forgot, it's your first day.

>>324354747
>Using buzzwords
>saying anything negative about anyone else
lol

>>324355336
>buzzwords

>>324354426
I am genuinely sorry for you then anon. Please, try to get some sleep and I hope that you will get to feeling better.

>>324355336
>>324355189
>these are the same people who will ignore the other arguments against UT in this thread and pretend that the only reason people hate it is because of memes

>>324354407
>to clarify, i don't think the game's a ripoff in its entirety
>in its entirety

That's the conclusion people jump to when you don't add the extra wording. Then again, it's more cause of /v/ being so used to arguing that some people assume that if you post, you are expecting a argument in the first place.

>>324355441
When you give meme reasons for hating something I'm going to assume you hate it because of memes.

In fact, you are a meme.

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>>324355441
>UT will now and forever be associated with undertale
;-;

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>>324355610
>YOU MUST REALIZE HOW MUCH WE HAVE BECOME LIKE MEMES

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>>324355610
>meme reasons
reminder that all of this could have been prevented

>>324355292
It doesn't matter if it spread or not.

Your statement: >>324354368 implies that outside of /v/ no one ever says that. And further also makes the claim that its only ever used to shitpost.

I know you're just trying your damndest to shitpost, but at least stay consistent.

>>324355203
The irony there is, that the point that Earthbound ripped off DQ is a joke. The system Earthbound uses is so basic, that it can't count as rip off just because of basic gameplay elements and design decisions you'd find in a lot of japanese games at the time.

Earthbound was original where it counted: Story, setting, design, writing etc. I.e: the creative branch. Undertale is the opposite, it is it's own in terms of mechanics, but is relying on Earthbound in pretty much every other aspect. The only point of creativity you can grant Undertale, is the antropomorphism, which is, as pretty much anyone would agree, not the biggest accomplishment these days.

>because I am going to take your blanket terminology, rip it up and strangle you with it
kek. You did a good job there fella. Reading comprehension is something you should acquire before making a fool out of yourself.

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>I hate BuzzwordTale because BuzzwordTale is a buzzword pandering buzzword game that only buzzword people like because it has buzzword elements in it.
>Buzzword Buzzwordtale fags need to buzz off with they're shitty buzzword game
>Lol I just proved BuzzwordTale is a shitty buzzword game.
>If you disagree with me you are a Buzzword

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>>324355203
> [_]

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>>324355882
>Buzzword

>>324355882
>shit literally nobody has said

>>324355706
Not only did you obviously never visited any place besides /v/, you obviously can't read either. The posts didn't imply, it literally says that it's used to shitpost. Serious or not.

And yes, that it spread from /v/ is important, since it underlines the fact that those are shitposts, and that anyone using shitpost to prove anything is a goddamn retard.

>>324355798
>but is relying on Earthbound in pretty much every other aspect

Now that's a stretch. You'd have to be a bit touched in the head to think the stories are anything alike. Even the writing is more comedic, wacky, and character focused than Earthbound's.

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[incoherent rage]

[link to the undertale general]

[something about reporting bait threads]

>>324350743
The fact you had to post or create this image just strikes you as slow instead of clever. You can bet top dollar that, if for some retarded reason Nintendo had allowed him to use their assets, he would've made the fatal mistake of setting the game in the Earthbound universe. No, really. He's that obsessed about Mother.

Also, of ALL the things you could reference, you chose Mettaton = Metatron for name only? Because nothing else, dude.

>>324356239
>you need nintendo's permission to rip off their material

>>324356425
As a ripoff, he definitely wouldn't, as you can clearly see.
With a shiny NINTENDO logo opening for the game, you bet your ass he would've done it.

>>324356124
Ironic that you're saying that. Lemme break it down for you, since its clear you're incapable of reading.

>That's what you're going with? With trollposts from /v/?

First implication. Its implied that this is only used for trolling, and it specifies from /v/.

> Really? It's ironic that you ask him if its his first day on the internet, when it's obvious that you've never been outside of /v/, and use shitposts to make a point.

Second implication. Implying that outside of /v/, this doesn't happen. Because if it did happen, it'd imply its not a phenomenon exclusive to /v/ and thus can be encountered anywhere, meaning theres no justification for assuming that someone has never left /v/.

>>324356036
Nigga, crtl+F in any Undertale thread
Meme
Tumblr
SJW
Reddit
Autism
Pandering
Furry
LE
XD

>>324356531
your argument is completely hypothetical and subjective, mate

>>324356602
>meme is the only word that appears, and it only appears 18 times
>it's not used to insult undertale in half of the posts

>>324356618
Well, he wasn't sponsored by Nintendo, nor is the game still in beta, is it?
Of course it's hypothetical, though I wouldn't go as far as saying subjective. Go take a nice listen to all his pre-undertale tracks and works. Most of it screams EB.

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>>324350113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWSBiUCvWNY UNDERTALE IS OBJECTIVELY THE BEST GAME OF ALL TIME

>>324356602
>Meme
legitimate criticism, the game includes internet memes and imo that takes away from the experience
>Tumblr
legitimate criticism, the game includes a lot of progressive elements that were inserted to directly pander to tumblrinas, toby himself and his friends all worked on homostuck and circlejerked on tumblr for years before undertale's announcement.
>SJW
legitimate criticism, SJWs are using undertale to further their agendas because it checks every box on their 'ideal game' list
>Reddit
>le go back to reddit
is posted in every thread.
>Autism
so is this
>Pandering
legitimate because the game panders to a lot of undesirable groups such as
>Furry
these faggors
>LE
can also be found in most threads due to le ironic shitpost man
>XD
so can this

>>324356780
you can't argue a point effectively when your argument is "X PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAPPENED if Y CONDITIONS WERE MET"

>>324356827
>/mu/tant that shitposts in the form of youtube videos
i hope nobody else replies

>>324356848
>sjw agenda
mate i hate undertale too but we collectively need to settle the fuck down with this sjw illuminati retard hysteria and realize how foolish it is

>>324356883
My argument also considers an extremely far-fetched condition.
So would've been Toby's reaction. Guaranteed.

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>>324355882
>buzz off

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>>324356827
reminder

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>>324356979
it's not any loominati shit it's just faggot bloggers pushing a mediocre game as the best shit since shenmue.

>>324357354
Game journalists suck but Undertale didn't come off as overly SJW to me.

It's true SJWs latched on to it like leeches, and that's a tragedy, but I won't judge a game based on its fanbase.

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>>324357608
it has it's weird progressive moments, but undertale isn't really pushing an agenda.

>>324357868
Yeah, I mean, I think some of the fags here are looking into lines like these way more than they should.


A game just can't make jokes like these anymore or else they're SJW suddenly.

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Would you a Undertale 3d?