you cant get any worse than blizzard activision. they're literally the fucking worst company right next to EA. Though I do hate EA more. At least Blizzard just abuses its retarded followers. EA single handedly dismantled PC gaming and turned it into fucking trash.
>>324324932 Rob Pardo, who put the in-game store in WoW? >That's why it's a rumor. May happen may not. There was a time when Real ID was here to stay and micro-transactions would be "A betrayal of the player base" (Rob Pardo ~Senior VP ~Blizzard press release)
>Blizzard >Battle.net 2.0 >desktop client DRM >friends messenger >no invisible status >no appear offline status >friends can see what game you're playing >friends can see what mode you're playing >friends can see what zone you are in >friends can see friend's friends >can't just have a peaceful, isolated playing experience
What makes me angry about Blizz is that they LITERALLY had the perfect formula for RTS games. Starcraft BW was hands down the best and most balanced RTS of it's time (with the subsequent patches though). The units where great, the story was incredible, the game felt directly related to your skill, etc...
But, how do you go from BW, to fucking Starcraft 2 is beyond me, I don't know what kind of inbred fucks you have working there to not have a proper game by the time of release, and the worst part is that while HotS was decent (on the multiplayer aspect at least), they butchered everything on LotV. Thank god I haven't bought the game, but the campaign is so bad that Kerrigan becomes Super Saiyan God and the Multiplayer is Rock-Paper-Scissors afaik (Protoss beats Terran beats Zerg beats Protoss)
And what should I say about Diablo? Diablo II was perfect for the genre, so HOW do you fuck Diablo III up? Literally how.
>>324328786 They are about as shifty as anybody else, they don't really follow the shitty trends other publishers do though like season passes; they just happen to be trends that are just as bad that they themselves come up with themselves.
At least they are somewhat creative when it comes to jewing people. Not nearly as creative as Valve though, holy shit.
>>324329882 Well, Kojima had artistic (whatever the fuck that means to that man) ideals behind it Blizz just wants to sell games, and in order to sell you need to have a good game, which Blizzard hasn't been doing for the past 8 years
>>324330924 >opposite of what the fans want >literally gave in to SJW >hearthstone >casualfags in WoW >Muh Micro Muh Skill in SC2
I mean here's the fucking irony. SC/BW wasn't made to be some globally competitive game. It was created and balanced like a normal fucking multiplayer game aiming for the same standards as all their other multiplayer games. They didn't force 'balance'. They just popped some shit out after seeing some patterns for SC to act as soft counters and left it at that after 7 patches.
Think about how long guys like Boxer reigned on top of BW. Literally an era as far as e-sports goes. No one holds the crown for that long these days. Yet people still refer to it like a god damn bible when it comes to balance.
All it did was just what sports do. Small changes, and let the players adapt instead of giving a shit about whining.
In comparison what is SC2 doing right now? Oh right.
Even D2/D3 had Blizzard listening to people saying D1 was too dark, when the entire fucking point was that you're in a spooky dungeon. Look at Dragon's Dogma, if you're a midget and cross the stream your lantern goes out and you lost your light source. In D3 you put on some items and the whole place may as well be Las Vegas at night. Yeah D2 was undoubtedly better than D1 in terms of sales and longevity, but that's only AFTER you factor in bots and how in D1 people could just cheat their items and had kill hax making replay value low. If D1 didn't let people trainer and kill hax even half as easily and had like 30% of the item variation as D2 it might have been a different story, and the class customization was abysmal to begin with.
Blizzard games were better when their 'power levels' were low tier instead of everything evolving to BIGGER SHOULDER PADS BETTER STATS MORE NEON GLOW SFX AND LEDDIT FACES.
>>324333693 Think about it this way. How many fans actually can understand the full cause and effects of their ideas? How many fans just want their own class/character to get stronger while nerfing others? How many fans are just venting cause they aren't having a fun time?
Then think about how a company is supposed to sift through that properly. Like actually gain genuine results from it. Not superficial results like OH THIS IS AN EXPLOIT THANKS or OH PANDAS? HERE'S A PANDA IN THE EXPANSION.
Actual long term forecast, like what cross servers or flight or arenas or anti-world pvp or flashier and edgier gear sets every tier would impact the life of the game.
That's not gonna happen. They were making oceans of money to swim in. They were in over their heads living in the moment. Hell the head guys like Metzen who use to be all edgy and shit even got married. Why would they stay the same, let alone improve?
>>324333661 I don't know if you're talking about me, but I'm a launchfag. I actually stopped before wrath because I got banned for killing too many people during the pre-wrath event. Unless you count me selling arena titles on other people's accounts but that's just a tiny trivial aspect of the game.
>>324335363 I never claimed that at all. I'm simply pointing out how Blizzard went from lucking out as the Gods of Balance and Good Game Design to selling out and one trick pony like Bioware.
Valve is different. They also made good games, but first of all unless you count CS 1.6 and that game was obviously not balanced, just competitive, then Valve never gave two shits about balance in the first place. You never saw people refer to HL2 shit or TF2 as paragons of balance. It's just 'fun'. Then they stopped making games.
No different than say Bioware, which is a totally different case of success just like Valve. Why would I compare the success of an companies that thrived for very different reasons just because they all end up being massive jews?
>>324335797 It's not like they make games for people who pay attention to balance like that anymore anyway. Them pushing e-sports with MLG isn't going to change anything either.
WoW introduced normies and crybaby faggots, there's no fixing that. The only way to fix Blizzard is to turn back time and prevent them from becoming successful. It would be better if they went out of business than become what they have.
>>324336756 Fucking Heavensward has more to do right now than WoD. I wouldn't be surprised if nobody came back for Legion, WoD was a complete smack in the face and it woke up almost every WoWdrone causing them to leave en masse.
>>324336829 >It's not like they make games for people who pay attention to balance like that anymore anyway.
Overall you are right, but they are still 'attempting' to with SC2 LOTV, and no doubt in the past when WoW arena was huge in the e-sports scene they were trying really hard to constantly 'balance' which is now practically ingrained in how they work patch changes. Otherwise why would buffs and nerfs keep coming every damn major update?
I also agree that there's no cure for Blizzard. As I said in hindsight they never had the potential to balance anything, they just lucked out on several games during a time when making a game was vastly simpler. It would not have mattered if they 'stuck' to the formula or not, because they never aimed to get to that point intentionally, it just fell in their lap after some hard work and they thought they actually were geniuses as a result.
>>324338747 >but with Blizzard acquiring Candy Crush and some of the actual company being sold off I'm not very optimistic... Are you talking about the scraps of shares Vivendi had after ActiBlizzard bought themselves from them? That's not going to make a difference.
>>324338747 It doesn't matter which path Legion goes down, it's destined to suck dick. It's literally a game that shoehorns you with a chosen one weapon in a fucking MMO and thinking modding it a lot somehow makes up for it.
Know what game recently thought adding lots of mods to their shitty weapons would make up for the lack of itemization? Fallout 4. Ever took a look at those steam charts on play times?
>>324337618 I know some shit they've done to friends. One they permabanned his Smite account which had money on it because he was just slightly abrasive. Deserved a warning at least. That's not the worst though, I had a good friend I played every day with, he spent literally over a thousand dollars on his account. They permabanned it because he let his younger brother use his account (his younger brother didn't live with him). And once they permaban they don't lift it, no matter what. Spend money on Hirez and they will fuck you in the ass with a pitchfork.
>>324338969 I'm just afraid Blizzard is preparing for this to bomb. Just a spitball theory, but I feel like Overwatch, HotS, Candy Crush, and Hearthstone are a cushion because they know WoW won't last much longer. And once it does die, or once Legion does fail to bring back the subs WoD lost, they'll have these other games that aren't quite as good to fall back on and continue being cashcows that can keep WoW afloat.
>>324339015 Yeah I was tempted to see what they would do with the artifact weapon system thinking maybe it could be unique like XIV did giving you a long epic quest, but they just hand it to you at 100 >you are the one chosen to wield the ashbringer, congratulations >camera pans out >thousands of other paladins in the same room all wielding ashbringers >don't feel so heroic anymore >well maybe I can find a different weapon >oh there are no weapons >well maybe I can use talents >there are no talents, they're embedded in the artifact weapon >well I still have my glyphs >there are no glyphs, artifact weapon is all you need
I keep wanting to like Legion, but the more I see of it the more I hate it...
>>324340190 Hearthstone is currently making more money than WoW. WoW isn't their cashcow game anymore, the fate of Blizzard is completely undeterred by WoW.
Blizzard continues to support WoW just like they support all their other games, fucking Everquest got a new expansion the same time WoD came out. It's not unusual for an MMO to receive content like this even when it's fallen from relevancy.
The only thing Legion bombing will do is drive WoW into obscurity, which is still amazing after maintaining 11 years of dominance.
>>324340902 They are arguably worse. Blizzard is killing themselves. Bethesda is threatening modding itself. Granted given how shit FO4 is it's probably not gonna kill it, but attempted murder is still attempted murder.
>>324340190 talents still exist in legion. apparently theres more talents now because there is a different pvp talent tree. glyphs still exist in legion (new system though, once you get a glyph its activated forever. no more 3 minor/3 major, you can have 1 glyph per spell for every single spell)
there are plenty of legitimate things to complain about, stop making up lies.
>ruins resident evil with 6 and RC >makes the new game episodic >lol megaman >Megaman legends 3 manages to be an even bigger fuck you than just ignoring him >25th anniversary game is literally a fanmade rom that they slapped their logo onto >literally held a steam sale entirely for DLC >dont acknowledge any of their pre-2000's games besides RE, SF, and Monster hunter >lol, how about we lock most of the SF V characters behind paywalls
>>324324546 Friendly reminder Blizzard streams Blizzcon behind a paywall and has pop up pre order advertisements alongside their anouncements.
I can't name a single other company that is so obviously greedy and aggressive with their marketing. Most companies make their announcements for free, but not Blizzard. Everything has a fee in Blizzard's world...literally everything.
>>324340504 Yeah they're supposed to be adding a PVP tree as well, but classes are so unbalanced who even wants to PVP anymore?
My biggest problem is just that so many abilities have been pruned the classes have become so homogenized. Every class is a cookie cutter with an execute, damage reduction, on demand heal, CC break, and the biggest difference between the classes now is the transmog.
You no longer really need every class to do a raid because instead of everyone bringing something different they all have the same benefits. Now every class has to compete with each other dps wise because instead of >this mage isn't doing as much dps as the others but we need him for remove curse and now with remove curse gone >this mage isn't doing as much dps as the others lets kick him and get someone else he doesn't bring anything unique and another rogue would be just as good >aspects are gone so we don't need this hunter >totems are gone so we don't need this shaman
I don't really think Blizzard are that shitty, sure, Diablo 3 release was a disaster and wotlk, cata and mop sucked ass imho, but Reaper of Souls, Starcraft 2 and all the xpacs, Heroes of the Storm, WoD and soon Overwatch is bretty gud actually
>>324341898 Blizzcon has always been incredibly exclusive. Game media outlets still give announcements at the time of their reveal as does the battle.net news so it doesn't really matter unless you want to see it live.
>>324342401 I hate that they've extended this to their games as well making it very secluded >well these guys signed up for the Overwatch beta AT blizzcon and have been playing blizzard games forever... >on the other hand this guy just started playing WoW yesterday but gets tens of thousands of viewers on Twitch >lets give the invitation to the streamer! fuck the loyal fans!
>>324342770 I think the point of the beta was solely for testing and not letting everybody have a taste like the Battlefront beta was. If they invited a wider range of people they would have more feedback to sort through and we'd just end up with a clusterfuck like WoW. But we are going to end up with it regardless because Blizzard is fucking retarded.
>>324342482 Yeah but they were stupid to just ax it. They should have just took what was done with it and worked on it in-house if it wasn't up to snuff. The concept itself was what was important as the Starcraft universe wasn't WoWfied yet like SC2 made it ya know full of SSJs and squid gods and ANCIENT SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY locked in their mother's basement.
I mean fuck, when was it ever implied Gantrithor or whatever the fuck ship Tassadar was on was an ancient carrier? It looked just the fucking same as a normal carrier. It's one thing for Bethesda to not respect the lore of a franchise they bought and then proceed to spin it however they like, it's another when you fuck up your own work a decade later just because you had kids and decided to get lazy.
>>324343869 Blizzard is really anal about their standards of quality. It's why the underwater raid in Cataclysm was axed.
But see, when they do release something of sub-par quality instead of just axing it you get garbage like HotS. At least Titan was salvageable enough that Overwatch can be its own thing with non the wiser, HotS was a SC2 mod that runs on the same engine and uses the same match making system and completely suffers from it. That and the messy concept of the game itself which is just a re-structured dota clone trying to be another game.
The fucking Cinematic is their worst ever, it's just recycled cinematic assets re-used.
>>324344162 Which is ironic considering WC/SC were based on other games they were working for other people, but all of a sudden they can't take a 3rd party's work for their own franchise and fix it for themselves?
>>324344417 It's more that Blizzard dota went through so many design changes that it became a big fucking mess. Turning it into it's own game pretty much cluster fucked it. I think development hell played a bigger part than having big heads.
>>324344748 >7 patches after expansion >People back then were still complaining like crazy >There was no international gook playing field at the time of 1.07 >Blizzard just practically stopped and didn't bother at all >Many many years later the scene changes >Blizzard adds like a tiny change to 1.08 after generations of meta strats/builds come and go >Everyone praises BW as the pinnacle of balance rivaling chess despite pro gamers arguing that flavor/trend is OP
Look faggot you're the only retard here shilling and you're doing a poor job of it cause you can't even samefag properly.
>>324346526 Stat building hasn't been a thing since CATA anyway. You don't even benefit from stats outside your class range anyway, considering the way classes are designed now I can't see how they would.
I want to play an rpg, and customize my character, I don't want a ready character based on spec I choose, I want to change stats to focus on my play style, like more crit, more damage, more multistrike etc
>>324348385 Why do people quote this when the context for it was more PVP mounts, which is more manpower for that instead of other things. It's not like Blizzard has people on-staff who are twiddling their thumbs, they aren't Japanese developers trying to get employees to quit because they won't give them work.
>>324348652 because they won't give us a true explanation of why they're removing a lot of this stuff, just >well we didn't feel it was being utilized correctly so instead of fixing it we're just removing it >maybe we'll bring it back in a future patch or something
>>324348856 how did WoD even make it out of the meeting >Karabor and Bladespire will be hubs for players! >that'll never work >lets make a 24/7 pvp zone and call garrions faction hubs >but the garrisons are instanced >feh >everyone just hangs out in ashran since its pretty much a hub in itself
>>324348810 A lot of the people who work on these kinds of games tend to move on to other developers and other projects instead of staying, so when the new team comes in and they don't know how to approach something like scenarios because it takes time away from what features they want to introduce or whatever, they just outright cut it. It's usually things they consider to be failed experiments or things that didn't meet their expectations or can't plan for like scenarios. All the scenario stuff for WoD was out in the open.
It is easier to remove something than try to fix it, especially with a game that has 11 years worth of shit piled on to it. Sorting through all that is more effort than it would be worth, and giving an explanation for that wouldn't benefit Blizzard in any way.
Going back and fixing shit often ends up breaking more shit, the new models alone caused more trouble than they were worth. They can't really fix all this crap when they are trying to meet quotas for development of content patches and new expansion content either. If it doesn't have a purpose in the new expansion, it isn't getting looked at. It's why Stormwind hasn't been fixed, it isn't the main hub anymore.
>Dr. Boom is UNANIMOUSLY agreed to be overpowered by absolutely everyone and is still never nerfed >Card rebalances were promised to be a regular occurance but just flat out stopped >The last balance patch, which was ages after the one before that and around 6 months ago now, was a nerf to the cheapest of three cards that enabled a difficult-to-play combo deck >Blizz continues to shit out new overpowered cards while the vanilla set is left in the dust >Ben "you don't know how good the new Warsong Commander is" Brode releases a "designer insights" video that basically just consists of him whining about the fanbase is entitled >he's still in charge despite being completely fucking stupid and out of touch with the game
How long do you think it is before HS finally dies?
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