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Well /v/?
Is this pic right?
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>>324300376
not really, you can just stop playing the game

name one truly good game that's ever done this
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>>324300561
fuck off SJW
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Not really, an example I'm thinking of is Modern Warfare 2 when the game gives you an option to skip over potentially controversial subject matter.

Also you can just stop playing the game
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>>324300561

gone home
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>>324300376
>You can't skip cutscenes in your game
what a shit game
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To a certain point I agree, but it makes it seems like it's a tinfoil hat wearin conspiratard that made this.
>>324300561
Spec Ops?
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>>324300650
SJW pls go
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>>324300376

i would say no

but then the internet is full of faggot that goes like "UNDERTALE TOLD ME TO NOT DO THE GENOCIDE RUN AND I FEEL TOO GUILTY TO DO IT" and i feel like...
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gooblergator conspiracy thread# 980455

can't wait until to hear about all the spoopy skeleton justice warriors that hurt your feefees
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>>324300658
You can literally beat it under a minute so no
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You can stop playing. After all you didn't spend any money on the game, right? Or a you a faggot?
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>>324300748
Wasn't that kinda the whole point of Spec Ops The Line? The only way to truly win was to stop playing.
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what if the whole movie/book is propaganda? what if that part you skip is crucial to the story?
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>>324300912

gone home is worth at last 30 play throughs
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gamergate was a mistake
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>>324300561
you're agreeing with it though. movies and books you can continue enjoying by skipping through, games you can't. you have to either stop or push through it.
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>>324300376
Counterargument:

People generally associate games with toys in the back of their minds, but not books and movies. So any message is far less effective.
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>>324300870
dat falseflag
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>>324300869
To be fair, the game does chastise you pretty badly if you do a genocide run, I'd say that is where Toby Fox really dropped the ball
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Kinda yes, it is, but not entirely because you can just drop a game like it's hot shit if you want to.

Still it's the most popular medium and when the jews come and start their propaganda in it will become stronger there, so yeah.
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>>324300793

I honestly don't understand how that is "sjw" at all

My first statement is just a fact, the second is just something you can do if you don't like what you're seeing in the game,
OP didn't say anything about why the fuck someone would buy a game with stuff that they didn't like seeing in it.
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>>324301132
FUCK OFF SJW
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>>324301031
>falseflag
only a gooblergator would use some ridiculous conspiracy term like this. back to 8gag
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>>324300376
>skipping forward in a movie/book
I seriously fucking hope people don't do this.
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>>324300376
why would you fastforward or skip pages when you skip fucking plot elements that would prevent you from comprehending the story from the point you left off from

OP and everyone else in this thread are faggots just stop playing the game you social justice counter warriors
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This is true.
Most of Bioware's games have choices so cringeworthy that I just roll for the good side/faction whatever
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>>324301198

alright i don't know who pissed in your fucking cheerios but stay buttblasted you pathetic stupid fuck
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>>324300376
im gonna need to stock up on my authenticater cans of dew

brb
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>>324301352
>being this triggered
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>>324301198
how the fuck is anything he said sjw?
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>>324300870
This bait is just getting tiresome at this point.
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>>324301031
>>324301510

But that pic was made by a niGGer 2bh
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This is autistic as fuck, just don't play such shill games. I tried gone home, dropped it not even half way through, I played Random Access memories, dropped it not even 15 minutes in.

Do you think theres some SJW force making you play their shit "games"?
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>>324300376
If a video game does it, you can turn off the TV/monitor, turn off your speakers, look away, use mods or cheats to skip ahead, or just turn off the game.

That random changing between red and white text is annoying and makes me distrust this image anyway.
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>>324301757
>That random changing between red and white text is annoying and makes me distrust this image anyway.
it's gamergate propaganda
if you don't believe me all you have to do is reverse google search
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>choosing the "bad" path means you get to have a lot less fun in the game
Why do devs keep doing this? Are there any games that don't give you shit for being evil or just simply an asshole? infamous 1 and 2 come to mind, also Shadow the Hedgehog
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>>324300376
>Can't skip cutscenes
>Can't die 3 times on a level and choose to skip
>Can't walk away while whatever you are scared of plays out
Also, who the fuck skips parts of books and movies and continues to read/watch them? Sounds like a real faggot. If I skip a part of something I am not going to continue it after
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>>324302145
>who the fuck skips parts of books and movies and continues to read/watch them
Americans
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I'm finally convinced that people who play video games are the most obnoxious and idiotic people on earth.
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>>324301335
This. Bioware may as well be the sterling example of what the OP describes.

>Get into conversation with Krem about armor choice
>suddenly the Dialogue choices all change to "Hey, you're a Tranny!"

How does the original topic of conversation even segue into the Inquisitor suddenly noticing Krem is affirmative action for trannies? Fuck, I hate Bioware.
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>>324300376
Are you really so week-minded that you have to skip something in order to not be influenced by it?
That sounds pretty intellectually inferior and not very freethinking.
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>video games are really important and also my enemies are using them to oppress me
jesus christ
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>>324301983
>>324301638
>getting upset over a hashtag and morons posting anonymous shit under said hashtag
*Sigh* I want to belive that those are the redditfags I hear so much about >_< but it's probably just idiots.. >:|
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>>324302362
>I'm finally convinced that people who develop games are the most obnoxious and idiotic people on Earth

Fixed that for you senpai!
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>>324300376
Spec ops the line is truely a hallmark of our medium
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Also here's the person who made that pic in the first place
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>>324302064
You could be an ass in mass effect. It was viable to beating lots of parts and getting everything you needed. Fallout, elder scrolls let you win by being bad many times too. I have always liked being the edge lord in role playing games.
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>>324300376
No you dipshit

I can't skip certain pages of Atlas Shrugged and miss the crappy objectivism, if a work is overtly political then politics is part of the whole work.

I can't skip certain scenes in American Sniper and not still be fed the message.
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>>324302510
You're just further convincing me more than ever. People who play video games are idiots.
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>>324300376
Its not right, its fucking retarded.

If you fast forward through parts you dont like, or skip pages in a book, you miss content and end up being like " what the fuck, why is X dead, Why is Y alive? Why did Z happen? this makes no sense, fuck this movie/book "

The truth is, if you cant stomach content that doesn't fit your happy little world, turn off the movie, close the book, or quit the game.

Fucking morons.
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>>324302870
>if you cant stomach content that doesn't fit your happy little world, turn off the movie, close the book, or quit the game
More like quit being such a fucking faggot. People need to get over themselves.
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>>324300376
link the study of the MIT please
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>>324300635
The SJW is OP you fucking abortion.

You and OP literally believe:
>Wahh game's narrative is oppressing me! I can't stop it infecting my mind with its interactive hate-train, what can I do to stop this madness and mind control?

How about turn off the fucking game, you feel-good faggot SJW
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>>324302870
>The truth is, if you cant stomach content that doesn't fit your happy little world, turn off the movie, close the book, or quit the game.
yeah but if i did that then i couldn't whine online about how i'm being persecuted by a video game
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>>324302397
we are talking about ameritards so of fucking course
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>>324303145
The OP quote is from a gamergater
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>>324301006
You gain nothing from skipping things in movies and books except relevant content that confuses you by the end of it.

Name movies and books where you can skip the whole thing and still know all the characters, content, purpose and narrative:

>you can't

Fuck off SJW
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>>324302064
Dark Messiah is quite fun either way. The evil path gets you a fiery demon form, and the good path gets you the best weapons and armour in the game.
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All of that requires that you learn and believe what happens in your entertainment. Just remember that it's fiction and move on.
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>>324301064

>chastise you

With what? The two best boss fights in the game and an easily overcome save corruption gimmick?
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>>324303437
Fuck off SJW
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>>324303263
like there's any difference

they're all obnoxious dipshits who love to pretend they're being oppressed
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>>324303076
That, too.
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>>324300376
Of course it's right. There are plenty of people out there that might have their opinions changed by a video game. I'm sure a few of them are in this thread right now.
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>>324303247
Like you eurobongs are handling these things so much better.
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>>324303551
it's from this guy specifically >>324302591
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>>324300376
I didnt read it but yes, it's all true.
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>>324303263
Show me anyone who plays games that calls themselves a " gamergater " first. Then show me how they aren't just an SJW shill. Then show me how they are so horribly affected by a game that their mental state is compromised to the point of influence.
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>>324303501
I didn't make myself really clear; yeah two of the best boss fights, but Sans pops out and says you're a shithead. I would've preffered an alternative ending, maybe I simply escape from the underground or whatever
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>Tfw this is true
>I've been conditioned to commit genocide on entire goomba civilations
>murdered koopas in their shells
>left octoroks to die in the sun, bleeding out profusely
>gave dodongos lung cancer

I'M A MONSTER, WHAT HAVE I DONE
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>>324303846
You're totally misusing sjw there
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>>324303780
Oh are we doing this?
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>>324300376
POST LINK TO THE STUDY

I swear you fucking faggots would believe anything
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>>324300376
>brainwashment
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>>324300376
I DONT KNOW WHATS REAL AND WHATS A GAME
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>>324303954
>implying people shouldn't be fined for not picking up dog shit
though that thing is like some 1984 shit
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Why does gamergate think that they're right no matter what anyone says?

Everytime someones calls them out on their shit, they just call you an SJW and post some shitty drawing.
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>brainwashment
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>>324300376
>watching movie/reading book for the first time
>"Eh, I don't like this part."
>skips ahead
Who the fuck actually does this?

Not to mention that I can't think of a single game with political brainwashment (which isn't a word) in it because they're fucking games.
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>>324304232
they learned their debate skills from 4chan and fox news
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>>324300376

DUDE

I JUST WANT TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES

HOLY SHIT
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he's right. look at unndertale
it made tumblrfaggots out of everyone i know that played it.
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>>324300376
>skipping pages in a book
>skipping scenes in a movie
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I drop every rpg that tries to make me feel bad for asking for monetary rewards from poor little quest givers. It's a fucking game, I have absolutely no motivation to do anything that doesn't give me resources or bring me closer to the end.
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>>324304232
Who said anything about gamergate? You're the only one throwing around accusations in this thread.
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>skipping pages in a book
I either don't read a book at all, stop reading it REAL early, or bite through the entire thing no matter what if I went too far.
The thought of skipping just a bit of it is just... really wrong.

But anyway. If you can spot "brainwashment", then you can probably just ignore it, anyway. If the book/movie/game/whatever is good in a way it should be, hell, why not ignore the shitty parts and focus on what's good?
And if it doesn't, well, then just don't touch it in the first place.
Easy.
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>>324300376
That's an interesting idea that I hadn't really considered before.
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>>324304579
>letting a videogame manipulate you into feeling bad
>being triggered so hard you have to "drop" it
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>>324304617
Because that pic was made by niGGer

Want his specific name? ItalyGG.
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>>324300376
>That's why political propogandists are battling for control of the medium

They are?
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>>324301448

This board is not /b/ you moron.
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>>324304379
>debate skills from 4chan
Avoiding the main points, focusing on the minor details, ignoring logic and what is fair, and insulting you in the end. The "I'm-right-about-everything-I-talk-about" attitude.
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>>324304579
I really want to believe you were supposed to start that post with greentext with that first sentence
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>>324302064
Soul Nomad has a baller as fuck evil route but you can only do it after beating the game on the good story

You will feel bad though because it really is quite unrelentingly evil
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>>324304805
I wonder who could be behind this post.
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>>324302601
You can be a dick in mass effect but you can't be evil
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>>324304959
Have you ever heard of tumblr?
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>>324300376
>brainwashment

Anyway, the TL/DR in this shitpost is that people should be able to skip last ideas they disagree with? Even in books? How spetsnaz of you.
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>>324305206
I dunno, which boogeyman are you referring to?
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>>324303362
so you're saying skipping over 20 pages of a completely shit part in a book is not gaining anything?

enjoy reading 7 years worth of guts sitting on a boat, I guess
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>>324304973
I would say the 4chan debating skills aren't even that complicated, the vast majority will just say something like 'nice meme' in place of an actual response

I'm not sure if they think it's clever or a big putdown or something because i really don't get what it's supposed to communicate when you do that kind of repsonse, in my mind it just makes them look stupid
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>>324304959
There's a reason age ratings exist, and it's not to warn parents of harmful content
It's to give political figures leverage over media
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>>324300979
It's worth none
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>tfw i share my nationality with the idiot in the OP's post

I must have done something truly heinous in a previous life to deserve this
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>>324305316
No, fucktard. The TL;DR of this post is that, because a video game can be used to influence thoughts and ideas more than any other medium, you should watch closely to who is trying to control the content they contain.

Holy fuck, are you illiterate?
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>>324300376
>political brainwashment
Jesus Christ guys opinions/ideas are not brainwashing
You are calling yourselves retarded if being exposed to something you disagree with is brainwashing
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>>324305415
No it's to avoid media backlash when kids inevitably watch it because then responsibility for it can be passed to the parents if it's clearly stated what's in there and so it prevents bad PR and damaged reputation for the seller

That's some /pol/ tier delusion there
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>>324300376
>brainwashment
>partecipate
>some random quip about the US army that has nothing to do with video games or anything else mentioned
>doesn't even source the study
>suggests that political choices are the same thing as moral choices
>propogandists

I feel like the person who made this wasn't very smart.
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>>324305540
>a video game can be used to influence thoughts and ideas more than any other medium
source?
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>>324305610
It was made by the most autistic member of GG, what do you expect?
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>>324300376
Sort of, but it's a good thing. Books and films can do the same thing by misleading. Just because a game chastises you for doing something doesn't mean it condones the alternative itself. It could be more effectively making a point. It serves a much greater artistic purpose than propagandist. Propaganda only works on idiots, and it either effects you or it doesn't, so it doesn't matter whether it's through a game or a movie at that point.
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>>324305610
Most people who make infographics about conspiracy shit aren't, what kind of people do you think they attract?
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>>324300561
>name one truly good game that's ever done this

I can already smell the no true scotsman fallacy.
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>>324305590
I believe this is something that is worth repeating

People seem to be confused by this a lot
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>>324305610
It's a fucking conspiracy theory, of course the maker isn't smart
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>>324305674
>foxnews.com
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>>324300376
If a move contains political brainwashment, THE VIEWER FIRST HAS TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE IT in order to know to fast-forward or skip a few pages.

Or, since they recognize it and know it's bullshit, they can just keep reading/washing and give themselves an awareness of it, laugh at it, or whatever else a rational human being does. "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" is not an appropriate action to take for anyone over the age of 12.

The same can be done with video games. If you really didn't like it, you would make yourself aware of it and make an effort to reduce that kind of shit in the media you enjoy, or at the very least point it out to others so they can see it for themselves. Ignoring it just shows indifference, and if you were indifferent you wouldn't be making this post here.
Your argument makes absolutely zero sense, OP.
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>>324300376
"Brainwashment" isn't a word.
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>>324304927
How do you know this?
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>>324305861
>2016
>not realizing Fox is run by false-flagging Democrats
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"brainwashing" is the wrong word. It's more of a tool to sway the opinions of those on the fence. Subliminal political advertising. That's what it really is.
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>>324305972
Because I saved it from his Twitter profile just to shitpost here on /v/?
I must thank him for giving me easy b8 material seeing how this thread is already at 121 replies.
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>>324306119
And live-action media makes more of an impact anyway because it's portrayed by real people.
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>>324305605
>media backlash when kids inevitably watch it
but kids watch this stuff daily, where's the backlash?

>it prevents bad PR and damaged reputation for the seller
except that's wrong since literally nobody cares about age ratings on games in the first place

Age ratings/restrictions give political figures like Tipper Gore leverage to help advance their own biases, regardless of whether or not their justified. Example: Her work with the PMRC enabled Tipper to become the Mental Health Policy adviser to the President.

It's all bullshit to fund someone's political aspirations, not to have any real impact on viewing behavior or help people in any way.
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>>324306150
So what you're saying is that you purposefully go out of your way to see things that you already know you don't like, and then complain about it like it isn't totally your fault that you saw it in the first place?
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>>324306335
Yeah, but that little video game push can help. Just another thing to make a message become even more apart of someone's everyday life.
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>>324306423
>but kids watch this stuff daily, where's the backlash?
I'll assume you weren't alive in the times before games had age ratings
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>>324306429
fuck off sjw
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>>324300376
you can just mod it out if you dont like it

checkmate atheists
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>>324300376
>you must comply with this ideology
False, I don't want to be one of those pretentious faggots but Aristotle once said It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

If you fall for propaganda simply because it is there in a game you are a complete idiot and would likely fall for it in any other form.
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>>324300376
>"You must comply with this ideology to continue"

That's like saying I'd nuke a settlement in real life because Fallout 3 let me do it.
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>>324306575
This. Video games taught me that all Italian plumbers ride dinosaurs.
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>>324307082
Why bother blowing everything out of proportion?
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>>324307020
>Nuke Megaton? y/n
>no
>GAME OVER
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>>324305540
Maybe the picture itself IS the brainwashi g. Hell, it diverts attention to a new eny by startling you , and has glaring grammar issues which oust it as a bad prank/hoax immediately.

Young people are very prone to allarmist propaganda. Don't believe the OP without questioning first
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>Every thread about the industry
>I THINK THIS IS MADE BY GOOFERBABBER guys!
>Really? Delete this thread! Stop harassing women! "It's about ethics" lmfao
>No I don't read that hate propaganda
Why are people so afraid of GG, and/or do so much falseflagging? It's always the same pattern as well, the attempt to discredit followed by delusion and ignorance. I'm not even interested in the GG vs SJW war, but it intrigues me to know what people are so afraid of that they are triggered this easily.
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>>324305674
>I didn't actually look at the OP, I just like to comment!
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>>324306724
Actually I was, and the backlash was artificially created by the public outrage of politically-motivated attention whores like Tipper Gore and others of her ilk.

There will always be outrage over something. The media picks it up when it involves outraged people important enough to influence legislation.
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>>324307183
At least vidya asks you, even if it doesn't always give you that choice.

>MY DRUG-DEALING FRIEND IS GOING TO DIE IF HE DOESN'T RAISE 500 DOLLARS BY TONIGHT
>I MUST HELP HIM
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>>324300376
That's stupid pseudo-pseudo-pseudo-''''''science'''''' that only sounds legit if you're a complete moron.
>if a movie contains propaganda you can just fast forward
Movies are watched in the theatres, with friends and on the TV. You don't just skip forward.
When I watched Hateful 8 I could not skip the part about the black guy talking about his black dingus. It was also not effective as propoganda. I was simply disgusted in Quentin Tarantino. He's a cuck.
>If a game does this you can't skip it
Examples? If I am shooting nazis I am well aware that I am playing a propoganda game, it doesn't change my opinions.
If there's choices I will pick what I think is right without giving a shit about the game punishing me, like in Mass Effect where you can basically commit a genocide against an entire race. I did it because they're warmongering assholes. I still got the best ending.
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>>324307294
>I take everything at face value without an ounce of critical thought
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>>324305540
Why not make sure there's content of all types available in the medium so that the consumer can make an informed decision?

And who's going to oversee all that? You? Your friends/associates? People you agree with?

And what happens to ideas you don't agree with? Do you do away with them completely?

They will like you in Russia.
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>>324300870
Well the important thing is you've managed to find a way to feel superior to both sides
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>>324307541
>informed decision
you grossly overestimate the capabilities or the willingness of the consumer to think about their consumption habits
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>>324307541
I don't think you understand the absolute basic idea of what is being said. The image in the OP isn't arguing for censorship. It's not arguing for moderation. It's doing the OPPOSITE of those two things.

It's saying that, if we assume the claim about video games being more influential than other media, whoever controls the content in video games will control the popular opinion--and that's BAD.

You're arguing against a statement that is AGREEING WITH YOU.
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You'd have to be a literal retard to be brainwashed by a video game. Also this example is shit, because you can just stop playing the game.
>watching movie
>get triggered by a part
>fast forward past the whole thing
>confused as fuck as to what's happening since you just skipped through a massive plot point
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>>324305742
>it was made by GG
Oh boy, wr got a schizo over here. go back to Reddit or whatever shithole you're from. no one wants to read SJW or GG shit on /v.
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>>324307735
So we trust you for that instead?

Fuck you.
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>>324307009
Yep, exactly.
Like how some people think protagonists must always very directly reflect the author's beliefs, and that those beliefs better be kosher, for some reason.
I can't understand why people would detest or be afraid of experiencing that sort of thing, as if they're afraid experiencing something like that will successfully challenge their views and turn them into what they think is a "bad person". It's just close-minded.
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>>324308286
I think also if they think a disagreeable protagonist in any form of media might be able to sway someone's core beliefs they mustn't have a lot of faith in their intelligence or the intelligence of others. I'm pretty cynical but even I don't think people are that stupid. For example how many mass murderers has GTA turned out?
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>>324300376
The Institute still sucks
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>>324307974
>if we assume the claim about video games being more influential than other media
not him, but that's a pretty big assumption

>whoever controls the content in video games will control the popular opinion
control is a strong word. Influence, perhaps, but not control.

The OP is deliberately sensationalizing a topic that has been under considerable investigation for decades, which undermines it's stated claims.

Classic false-flag and obvious off-topic bait that should have been deleted 150 comments ago
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>>324307974
The picture implies whoever made it is fighting back with his own propaganda or would like suitable propaganda to replace problematic ideology in games just because whoever made it is afraid.

I, for one, don't want anyone doing anything remotely close to that. I want a free vidya market.
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>>324308498
>OP is a sensationalist bastard
>fishing for replies
/thread.
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>>324308209
Simply having content available doesn't automatically mean people will know how to parse it in an informed way.

That requires critical thinking skills, a thing most people don't engage in consciously when looking for a means of entertainment.
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>>324300376
It is if you're dumb enough to let a video game tell you what kind of person to be.

I'm not a robot!
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>>324308467
>they mustn't have a lot of faith in their intelligence or the intelligence of others
Yeah. I've observed that a bit in various forms, it seems to be a problem which causes people to try to overcompensate morally. If they were less overly-defensive of their ideological identity maybe they'd see these things aren't so bad.
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>>324303145
nice try, a real sjw will never reveal something like OP is saying
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>>324308758
Thank you for once again proving me right by expressing the desire to repress an opinion you dislike.

Won't even bother explaining to you how pretty much every single idea expressed in that single post effectively accrued to a massive train disaster
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>>324308758
>LE SUPRESSION OF IDEAS I DISAGREE WITH WILL FIX IT XDXDXDXDXDXD

Kindly fuck off back to Tumblr.
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>>324308779
And the answer is to suppress ideas you disagree with?

This is something which NEVER worked out well in history. Ever.
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>>324309501
>suppression of ideas

Here's a little tip: those "SJW" holds no influence in gaming.
None, zero, zilch, don't even register in the graph.

And here's another: the "free market" stuff is a stupid utopia the likes of communism, i.e. stuff that should remain confined to it's containment board
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>>324309864
>the answer is to suppress ideas you disagree with?
nowhere in my comment is that implied
you seem to have an axe to grind but no stones
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Make a game. Your personal beliefs will make their way into your work. Now what if most of the other people that make video games share your beliefs? What becomes of the industry? More or less the same as before, but a few things that were not normal in the past might be considered normal now. One more aspect of daily life that has quite a bit of something a group of people believe in. It's not brainwashing, it is what it is.
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