>>324295884 Something a casual would play. Think only plays Xbox level of person. A normal person can't play Xcom because it would be too hard. A normal person also can't play Civ V because games last way too long
>>324296021 That was kind of going to be my point. Civ games take many many hours, it's hardly a game you can just pick up and put down whenever. Even if it's not very difficult to complete, it just takes a long time.
My metric is if my parents (in their mid 50s and fairly technophobic) could get into the game. Flap bird, Candy Crush, Dance Central, and Wii Sports are casual. A game as dense as Civ 5 and X-Com are not for them--sure, they are easier to handle than their forefathers or contemporaries but it is still leagues above the aforementioned games in complexity.
Casual has just become a random demerit /v/ likes to toss around at any game that is more stream-lined (read: less bullshit-y") than the handful of sacred cows on this site.
>>324296765 bomb diffuse thin man council mission first month almost requires a guaranteed reset. Game has a really weird difficulty curve. If you make it passed the first two months and have decently upgraded people, it gets a lot easier.
They are both more casualised versions of their respective serieses, but they're definitely not casual. Casual games are pretty much defined by easy to pick up and low time commitment, and while the first is sort of true, the second definitely isn't.
>>324295537 Depends on mods. I know that XCom with no mods and even on hardest tier isnt that hard as long as you use cover and play smart, but Long Dong is fucking retarded with how it actively wants you to lose. Don't know much about Civ though.
>>324299512 it was some years ago... My best friend would also sometimes drop just by to play Civ, with considerably better results. He realy loved game but didn't have PC, only NES. We would watch some movies, drink beer/ homemande wine, and after I would go to sleep, he would keep playing untill 5AM or so. Eventually he got his own machine. fun times.
On a player aspect? No, a casual xbox dudebro wont stand 10+ hours games of civ, or handle XCOM risk management well and would quit.
However, in a "play stile" both games would be great casual games. Like, I would love to play civ in my Cellphone for 10 minutes on the bus /subway, and save (also, civ takes like 1 min for a full game AI make its move) even if the same game take a month.
But we are stuck with those pay not 2 Wait shitty games like clash of clans
The game is board game tier when it comes to mechanics. The level of tactics used can be only summed up as "Schrodinger's plan" as if "We are both alive and dead at the same time depending if we hit or not".
Battletech, the grand daddy of TBT games uses RNG, games are won and lost based on dice rolls. The key to any game with RNG is planning ahead and having redundancy plans in case any move fails. Preparation and prediction skills is how you win in these sorts of games.
>>324301292 I also 400 hours in Puzzle Quest. XCOM is not a bad game. Just not as deeply tactical as fans try to make it look like. I wan't more faithful original Xcom remake (with Silent Storm gunplay and Metal Gears level of TECHNOLOGY).
>>324295537 >>324299128 >>324301279 Those games are only more hardcore than Civ 5 because the tutorials are shit and you need to watch Youtube tutorials to have anything more than a vague understanding of how anything works.
>>324301279 >1000+ hours in EU4, CK2 and Vicky 2 >Open HOI3 for the first time >Play the tutorials >Play about 3 days of a campaign >Quit forever It was on that day that I realised my autism lite can never compare to the real thing.
>>324295642 I love watching xcom but I just hate playing the game myself. I'd really like if they made an xcom game centered more on base building and dispatching ships to destroy UFO's rather than controlling a small scale task force half of the time.
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