>Playing KOTOR II for the first time
>Going around Nar Shadda minding my own bussiness
>Random guy is betting bullied because he owns money
>He says I have his money
>"No, I don't, leave me alone"
>Thugs start threatening me
>"What the fuck, I don't care, ask him for the money"
>Thugs attack me, I kill them
>Random guy complains that I only made things worse and runs away
>Pic related starts ranting about how helping random people only makes them weaker and I'm a little shit
Is this a common thing in the game, where you just get involved in shit and then Kreia goes full retarded about it?
Yeah, Kreia is basically Ayn Rand and Kotor tries to subvert some of the assumptions you have about star wars, heroes, and the force. Some fans don't like it because there's too much grey; they think Star Wars should remain black & white like the old adventure serials of the 1930's-40's which stars draws heavily from.
>offered a multiple-choice question
>pick one, it was the wrong choice
>reload, pick the other choice, it was also the wrong choice
it's like I'm really playing a Telltale game
>YOU PLEB IT'S TOO MATURE FOR YOU, REAL LIFE ISN'T FAIR XDDD
yeah you know realism in a series with light sabers and aliens
>Some fans don't like it because there's too much grey; they think Star Wars should remain black & white like the old adventure serials of the 1930's-40's which stars draws heavily from.
While I think that's true, putting that aside.
The problem with Kreia is nothing makes her happy except being a giant asskisser to her. Any other decision you get lectured to for thinking for yourself.
Don't think too much into it. If you decided not to help then Kreia says he grows desperate and kills someone or something like that, and then she gives you shit like that.
Just remember this: no matter what you do, you're always wrong and Kreia (Avellone) is always right.
This is why I liked the story in SWTOR.
At least most of the time it didnt try and jerk me around calling me a fucking cuck. I mostly left people alone unless they decided to fuck with me or insult me and I killed them. Oh im your apprentice and you want to call me stupid? Well goodbye into the lava you go.
I remember there was one mission though where I was fighting some jedi faggot and he did that same shit and wanted to fuck with me and I threw him off the fucking elevator platform into the elevator shaft where he fell like 20 stories and died and I broke the mission and had to start all the way over because I apparently wasnt supposed to chuck a bitch to their death but was supposed to win and call him a faggot and execute him or let him go. Skipping that step was not allowed.
>The problem with Kreia is nothing makes her happy except being a giant asskisser to her.
At first I thought this too, but I think is more about making people help themselves instead of getting personally involved in their problems. It's like she wants you to be Jesus Christ.
>The problem with Kreia is nothing makes her happy except being a giant asskisser to her. Any other decision you get lectured to for thinking for yourself.
That's the whole point. There a conversation with her at some point, where she tells you to be a manipulative cunt and treat your companions as pawns. There is a line you get to choose that says something 'then I will use you as well', to which she answers 'good, then you've learned your lesson' and it gives you reputation points with her. Basically, tell people what they want to hear, gain their loyalty and then use them for your own advantage.
Ayn Rand was based m8. People who don't like her normally just didn't really undestood what she was trying to say and think her ideology is all about be a prick when that's hardly true.
It seemed a lot more open for the most part and I got to do what I wanted.
I just pvped mostly in that game and had like 20k kills and when I finally did the story it wasnt so forced.
I don't like when things talk down to me. I mean if the game would let me, I probably would of just killed my master and skipped all of that dumb shit.
Also hated that gay fucking planet that was lvl locked.
I was like lvl 24 and the planet was lvl 29 or some shit and I could already heal tank every instance and just do whatever and I got forced into this immense fucking grind because casual shitters cant get stuff done.
>the films were the worst part of star wars
No, anything written by Anderson takes that award by a longshot. Just because the EU have stuff like Zahn's work doesn't change that it was also filled with a lot of utter shit.
Not him but Ayn was a shitty philosopher. She was like Stirner but not nearly as well thought-out or educated. Funnily Stirner actually IS what people attribute to Ayn, the "the system is just in your head, fuck everyone but yourself", except he knew how to argue it well.
>pick one, it was the wrong choice
>reload, pick the other choice, it was also the wrong choice
So you have learned nothing. You have failed me, completely and utterly.
kotor was more like a loveletter to the original series, although it did some subverting in terms of heroes and villains, it felt like a classic star wars adventure
kotor 2 was the atlas shrugged of star wars, going waaay to far with its deconstruction and critique of its universe, with kreia being a whiny bitch and mouthpiece of avellone. That shtick got tiresome and it doesn't help that the game was shipped unfinished either
As much as I like KOTOR 2 the game is way too heavy handed with dishing out dark side and light side points when it can never understand your intent. Why would you get swayed to the Dark Side because your charity got a beggar beaten up? Your intent was purely good, it makes no sense to punish you for it. I absolutely understand Kreia teaching you about your actions having consequences but that doesn't make my character more or less evil, the intentions and actions do.
well have fun sucking egotistical jedi cock for a chance at a seat on the cuck council
ill be over here killin doodz, blowing shit up, getting shit done, and doing all of the space drugs
dont forget to ask your master for permission jedi cuck boi
No. She doesn't want you to become another Darth Sion. You have learned nothing. People get frustrated with this game because it actually catches you off guard when you fuck up and it teaches you how you fucked up but people would rather blame BAD WRITING
She contradicts herself though. If you refuse to help someone she says you're an idiot for passing up the opportunity to get experience points+loot.
It's just being smarmy for the sake of being smarmy
You get LS points for giving the beggar money, Kreia just cuts in to tell you that that action might have consequences that aren't immediately obvious. Hell, I'm pretty sure that you can even gain influence with her in that situation by making it clear you did it for your own reasons instead of just because its "the right thing to do"
THe lession is a lession in life.
Something some people without a frontal lobe cannot understand.
it teaches you that sometimes no matter what you do, you will lose. Ever heard of ''damned if you do,damned if you don't''.
The thing is this game tries something new with morality. Almost every single game with a moral compass has been ''insert coin, get good boy points''. Instead this game has made you think, should you help this person out.
Struggle is the engine of success, Kreia tells you this constantly, if you let other do battle for you, you get weaker. If you fight battles for other people, they get weaker.
As complex as Kotor2 is, it's easy enough to get a grasp if you don't have the attention span of a 12 year old boy.
I swear if its not every kotor thread with this complaint its an OP with it as one. Why do people find Kreia hard to understand? She herself is a hypocrite but she's teach very basic lessons.
I feel like the people who critique Star Wars are the people who listen to Harlan Ellison too much
>"But that's the point! Is the single defense I get when I alienate myself at dinner parties by my negativity. It's supposed to be mindless, I'm told. And then those professional types who are safe in loving Star Wars where they might be attacked for reading the latest Robert Silverberg or Thomas Disch sf novel, explain to me as carefully as one would a retarded child, that Star Wars is a return to the worship of the Eternal Verifies: honor, truth, fighting Evil. All black and white. Try black and white in a world of credit cards, punk rock, mastectomies, Watergate, the rise of homegrown Nazism, Anita Bryant, and the terrifying fact that more than half of all serious crimes in the United States are committed by people between the ages of ten and seventeen—-and that includes rape, murder, robbery, aggravated assault and burglary."
The problem is it was never meant to be applicable to reality when people are making it such.
Again, because my choices are meaningless. No matter what I do, any choice I make has negative consequence. Even doing nothing is something, because inaction is a choice.
What lecture did she give before Dantooine that said anything like that? She said absolutely nothing about what you should do with power, only that it's good if you get it at the expense of others. Her speech on Dantooine isn't justified at all, she's just mad that she never got a chance to prove the Council wrong and she's taking it out on you.
Because she contradicts herself and tells you off for following her own advice.
thats the thing though too. I don't like it when things are just black and white. It literally becomes too boring when its only about good vs. evil and never anything inbetween.
You actually sound like one of those retards who press ''A'' or ''Enter'' furiously during conversations to skip dialogue and get to the fighting.
I'm certain this isn't the first game to outsmart someone as dumb as you.
The only real case of this is with Vrook, and maybe the vaklu/queen stand off on onderon, both of those was just her giving an opinion rather than talking you down for what you did/didnt do. The one that people seem so out of sorts about is the unavoidable bit on Nar Shaddah, which is just as >>324297504
said, its a basic "you lose either way" scenario and you can get any lost influence back by simply saying you understand, its not complicated.
What tips me off about kotor universe being stupid is how in the span of 5 years, jedis go from being lead to glory by revan and owning the place again, to being hunted to the brink of extinction . again.
All the while, some random cuck proclaims himself a dark lord and conquers the universe.
What the cuck? How can Jedis be such ineffective cucks?
Sure, it makes the plot point that Jedis are cucks unfit to rule a valid one. But if the whole starwars universe is going to revolve around making Lore fit Lovarellos FoTM self-insert character a valid construction, then I can see why Lucas might have been mad.
Seriously. Making the Jedis such sad cunts so that the whole kreia thing can work is the work of bad writting. The whole thing could have been way more nuanced and less over the top with the whole "turns out the sith are so much better at rulling that they pretty much own the place with a 90% uptime" shit. I mean, in a multiplayer capture the base match, the sith own the Jedi hands down.
Think of it this way. At this point Meetra Surik isn't wise enough to have taken the right action. Both choices are wrong. It's not contradiction. They're two different extremes to be wrong. If at this point she was wise enough, Meetra would have done something like told the thugs they could resolve it if all four of them met with the crime boss and that he would get his money's worth, then convincing the man during the meeting to sell himself to slavery as it is the only way to resolve the debt alive, then use that as leverage with the boss to give her information about the bounty on Jedi
Go to /his/, they love him because of how ridiculous and yet hard to argue against his philosophy is.
Also the drawings of him because no photographs at the time
So is Kotor 2 like the Casual Filter in regards to the story line?
It seems like only idiots really don't understand her teachings.
I'm sick and fucking tired of asshole posting their shitty twitch URLs polluting our once beautiful board. I'm making a stand here and now as a mass electronic media expert by not posting my twitch URL and instead just my username, which is exactly as you guessed it: doodsrsly. I'm tired of people insulting the intelligence of others so in my channel right now I'm Playing as Jesus Katarn and yesterday we got off peragus mining and the game is about to truly begin for our watchman.
she's literally avellone's mouthpiece
I bet you liked ulysses too
There's a difference between injecting moral ambiguity and fundamentally misunderstanding the force like Avellone does.
>he doesn't rewrite the program so the Kobayashi Maru is a winnable situation
You'll never win creativity points.
I guess fucking so, that or people who hated her never actually went through her dialogue's on the ship so her actions are just so confusing and random when she makes it plain as day what she expects of you/what she's after.
You can tell her off at every turn, it just results in lost influence which players seem completely baffled about.
She can be interesting to listen to sometimes.
Everyone is mostly worth while listening to. From the war stories from Mandalore, to HK-47's stories about Revan and how to kill Jedi. Maximum comfort.
She's a Sith teacher. If you don't kill her, you've failed
No she told you to think when you help people because it could just fuck them up later. And so long as you simply understand what she's telling you, her influence doesnt change either way, and you even get some light side points.
>Mind tricking thugs into walking off a cliff
I normally run full light side but that shit was too satisfying to pass up.
She's still not as bad as Ulysses
THAT is the worst kind of mouthpiece. No matter what you do, you technically prove him right, and all you can really accomplish is stopping the nuke.
DA SUPERB OWL
You're free to do whatever. You can debate her, you can tell her she can talk all she wants but you're not changing your mind, you can outright tell her to shut the fuck up for once. You're not forced to be a good student.
People just don't understand both negative and positive influence unlocks stuff and get butthurt when they lose points with her, thinking the game demands they kiss her ass all the time.
The sith rule of two came about a good while after the KOTOR games chronologically. Bane was inspired by the master-student dynamic between revan and malak, so he decided to cut out all the faggy armies of darkness that the sith had grown fond of and created the rule of two.
Disregard that, i guess i really cant read. Yeah that particular case isnt cut and dry, she wanted you to ask for a reward after killing those thugs since you were forced into the situation anyway, its a poorly written event in any case.
Malak turned on Revan because Revan was consistently a shithead to Malak.
I mean the whole reason HK calls organics meatbags is because he calls Malak that once and Revan thought it was SO hilarious that he reprogrammed HK to call all humans but himself meatbag.
Dude! Why say that?
It is shown that she can fight off bandits and is proficient at melee combat.
It is shown she understands how ships work, seeing as she's a salvager. She has to know her mechanic basics.
What's left? Shes on her period so she growls at chewie? And he replies: lets fug?
That she's a good pilot? The kid in ep. 1 won a professional pod race. To state an 8 year old is more capable than a grow woman is pure mysoginy.
>she wields a light saber sell enough to win the duel
Kylo Ben took a direct blaster hit and still fought . he and his 3 way lightsaber are the real Mary sues .
Shitposting asides, I really hope Kylo gets mutilated and turned into a copy of Vader . robot accessories and all. And. Gets redempted with death. But this is Disney... So, that won't happen.
Since this thread is already here
Has anyone actually turned their party members into jedi and then use them effectively? I never can, everyone else sucks as a jedi
You forgot the fact that she's doing shit with the force instantly when it took Luke years to master and perfect.
doesn't change the fact she's a qt. though.
It's not about listening to her. You can turn it around by saying you did it for reasons other than "because it's a light side action".
She's teaching you to think without the Force, which is something Jedi and Sith can't do, because they've always been steeped in it.
The trick with 2's jedi shit is for the most part not levelling them at all til you can make them jedi, as with the exception of atton, you turn them when theyve already spent 13-19 levels as their base class. And in cases of like Mira, she's just best as a blaster jedi anyway.
>She's teaching you to think without the Force, which is something Jedi and Sith can't do, because they've always been steeped in it.
Maybe because the force literally exists in all matter and you can't escape it.
I tried that before but they still never play right, especially with handmaiden where YOU have to be a certain level to beat those duels to turn her, and bao-dur has so few influence checks you literally need to plan them for each play through
Bao's the one i never change to jedi just cause i like having him as a skill whore and guardian fucks all that up. Handmaiden's easy, just dont level her til shes a guardian, then put all feats into flurry/2 hand/toughness adn shit and give the basic self-buff force powers, shell jump and wreck shit easily.
I don't get your problem. Are you trying to make them all use lightsabers/spam lightning after converting at high levels?
Just slap force speed on every single one of them and you've doubled their effectiveness at whatever the hell they were doing up to that point.
I don't really think you prove him right no matter what, so much as you just disagree with the crazy butthurt man threatening to nuke everyone again because he doesn't like how things turned out.
>yfw da burrs when the mojave bowl
Blame that on how the franchise developed after the original trilogy. The force was originally a subtle actor that could occasionally be used for great things like shooting lightning (if you were an extremely powerful sith) or augmenting a jump; after the prequels everyone became wizard duelists. Remember how powerful yoda seemed when he lifted a spaceship out of the muck; now think of all the crazy shit people do with it in the prequels. The only thing questionable about Rey is using the mind trick, and even then that's something she might have learned from whoever abandoned her, or saw when Kylo's mind reading backfired.
>calling KotoR 2 good writing
Nothing good in science fiction has been written since the 1970s. Go read The Demolished Man you culturally illiterate manchildren.
Then why write for a setting if you don't like how it's constructed at its core?
>Again, because my choices are meaningless. No matter what I do, any choice I make has negative consequence. Even doing nothing is something, because inaction is a choice.
Now you're figuring it out.
Why not write for a setting if you don't like how it's constructed?
Deconstructions are a big thing, bro. Maybe Avellone just wanted to explore it a bit deeper than pure black/white mentality. Whether he succeeded's not really the point.
Just because that hack Lucas doesn't like it doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.
>Why not write for a setting if you don't like how it's constructed?
Because more often then not when that happens it's because you have an axe to grind, which is where bias happens.
>game's been out for years
>still radically different interpretations of what the fuck she was talking about and what she wanted
Let's face it. The game was good, but written intentionally murky as a substitute for actual storytelling.
The idea at one point was that the Sith spend too much time backstabbing each other to actually take over the galaxy, so only having 2 reduces how often the backstabbing happens to only when the apprentice becomes the new master.
Plus, the whole 'the apprentice kills the master' thing ensures that the next Sith in line is always stronger than the last.
Unfortunately, being a better fighter or practitioner of the force doesn't make you a better leader or general.
>yfw the pats win the superbowl again
Which is one of the fundamental ways Avellone misunderstands the force. He thinks Jedi morality correlates 1:1 to the light side, and sith morality to the dark side; the answer in reality is so much more complex than that. The "light side" of the force is the normal part of the force, and the "dark side" is what happens when someone who's strong in the force corrupts it with anger, hatred and the like; it corrupts them in turn. You could be one of the pettiest, most corrupt businessmen in the galaxy and not be dark side.
>the empire maintains order
>people like you disrupt that order
I leveled up stun droid because its so good a starter level power.
Not going to further it down the branch tho.
How do I build a melee centric character with a few good powers ? I'm already going power attack/2 handed for that sweet sweet extra attack , but the Jedi side power all seem weak. And the healing is kind of meh tbqh
>ignoring that Sideous engineered the disasters that caused the order to crack down in the first place.
It's like the police raiding a drug lab that they supplied the drugs to.
All you need as a mlee is the speed line, the energy resistance line, and after that you can do whatever. If light side try to get all the light side buffs since plot will give you a power that combines them into 1 buff
I start as a jedi, so I figure I'll have a lightsaber soon.
I see there's a feat to let you deflect blasters without a lightsaber.
"Why would I waste a feat on that? I'm surely going to get a lightsaber soon."
>level 5 <-- Still on Peragus
>level 10 <-- Chose Nar Shaada first
Finally got a fucking lightsaber fifteen hours into the fucking game
The plot doesn't give you that all-in-one power until way, way late in the game. I got it at like level 21 or 22.
Also it says it uses Force Armor, when it means Force Aura.
>star wars is the only sci-fi nowadays
Science fiction with literary merit is still being written, look at ursula k. leguinn. Just because you only pay attention to trash pulp sci-fi doesn't mean there isn't more out there
>playing kotor II for the first time after playing kotor 1, which was a 10/10 goaty for me
>peragus is pretty cool
>stop playing for a long time on telos because it doesn't feel like kotor
>force myself through it
>the telos outskirts with Bao Dur part is pretty cool
>nar shadaa was pretty cool also, i loved how Atton fucked up the two Twi'lek assasins with his fists only
>get to dxun
>get bored as FUCK, once again it stopped feeling kotor-ish
>force myself through it
>get to onderon
>again bored as fuck, it stopped feeling kotor-ish yet again
>today loaded up the game and left after a minute because of the confusion and no idea what the fuck am i doing here and what the fuck am i supposed to do
There never was a single moment in kotor 1 where i felt that way, even Taris was fucking great.
Just kill me /v/.
That was okay, but I hated it because it meant that Heal was the first power on my list, and not Speed. Continually scrolling through the half dozen buffs as a light side jedi was awful.
Also Master Speed should've tripled your movement speed.
What's the problem with that? Once you get your lightsaber that's your weapon sorted for the rest of the game, you just need to find crystals to upgrade it.
Did you actually think they'd give you one immediately, and therefore remove any sort of weapon progression and make normal melee weapons obsolete?
Nigga learn to read. He's claiming that there's been no good sci-fi since the seventies, I'm saying that's only the case if you purposefully pay attention to nothing but pulp trash.
>getting buttmad because someone uses shorthand to refer to a genre
>i loved how Atton fucked up the two Twi'lek assasins with his fists only
I quickly gave him a melee weapon to fight with, and he kicked their ass with it. But I never used him again after that, so for the rest of the game he had a double bladed sith blade-staff thing stuck to his right hand.
I'm taking atton everywhere because i'm making him a carth 2.0, hopefully he'll be able to one powerblast KO anyone like Carth did in kotor 1
Yeah, if i actually get through the boring part again, christ
That particular part in nar shadda IS stupid
>give some guy money
>later some thugs kill him for it
Well so fucking what? Are you supposed to feel bad for the fact that you can't control everything in the universe?
I got it actually, but i couldn't get atton on dxun so i went handmaiden and canderous, waiting till i return to the ebon hawk to give it to him
Also i loved the Carth cameo at the beginning, i hope i meet him later
>tfw i was hoping he'd be a companion for 2 too
>people buy into the philosophy of someone who's just manipulating you to get revenge on the sith and the jedi for her
Mira would hop on the Jedi dick, but she's too busy interrupting her own voice files with other voice files, and is unable to enunciate her words correctly, so she never conveys her desire for the D properly.
>>Playing KOTOR II for the first time
I want to play KOTOR 2 for the first time...
Ill show you a handjob sim.
You into lady boys?
You ever been rimmed in space?
Passion Power Strength Victory
Faggot Faggot Faggot Faggot
Her "philosophy" is most of the time just common sense, with occasional bullshit added on top.
Rejecting the Jedi code while getting above 75% light side and racking up influence is an easy thing to do. And in the end she even says she's sort of proud
>Science fiction is not the same as science fiction.
>muh appeal to authority
It doesn't matter if they're the king niggers of all scifi, to the vast majority of people who aren't butthurt about shitty movies being called science fiction, the two terms are interchangeable.
Every genre has its deal of worthless bargain bin writers; if anything, it's a mark against the maturity of the SF community that they feel the need to validate their works via pedanticism.
I hate that part. They write in two options for you to take and she bitches about either. I had a suspicion about it as a kid and reloaded and low and behold she bitched either way.
Fuck you obsidian.
>Ending section with Goto and the Remote locked over control of the mass shadow generator
>Beat Darth Traya
>nothing about the mass shadow generator in the ending video
What was the point
>a good character
The entire ending is a mess and a lot of /v/ refuses to accept it.
Malachor V was totally underwhelming.
>visas handmaiden get 5 second scene with no resolution
>bao dur just disappears the last few maps
>robots have an interesting, but pointless conclusion
>atton just walks in or lays like a fish at the end
>end is just a zoom out
Carth is pretty much peak Bioware in that he has daddy issues with his former commanding officer and daddy issues with his son. The only way he could be more Bioware is if he was also gay.
Except everyone knows the ending is a rushed mess, which is the reason they tell people to get the RCM, since it helps fill in the holes, it doesnt make the ending good, but it makes it less of a clusterfuck of missing parts.
So I was replaying Kotor 1 and 2 and the moment I started 2 and met up with Kreia it hit me. How the fuck do they not know each other?
I mean, Kreia taught Revan for a little while at least, and the Exile fought under Revan during the Mandalorian wars, an event that drove Kreia to distance herself from the Jedi Council and into the Dark side.
Now, during this time period we know for sure of two Jedi training enclaves, Coruscant and Dantooine. Considering no one recognizes Revan unmasked in Dantooine during K1, apart from the Council, and how Kreia seems familiar with them folks that exiled the PC in K2 (which I'm assuming is the main Council in Couruscant), then it's likely Revan trained in Courscant as well, under Kreia and other Masters.
Now this creates a very awkward timeline, in which it can be assumed Kreia would be on Coruscant during the years leading up to the Mandalorian wars and Jedi civil war, and she would certainly be a prominent figure among the Order, especially during the fallout of the Mandalorian wars and iconic events such as the public exile of PC.
So we know this old lady was a Master stationed at the main temple of the Order, she was prominent enough to be acquainted with every member of the council, trained the man who gave the Exile a position as general in his army, and was close enough with Atris (a woman who went on to sot on the Council, preside over ther trial of the PC, and also was borderline yandere for the Exile). Which begs the question, how exactly do they not know each other?
At the very least the Exile should be able to recognize Kreia, even if they never happened to have struck a conversation. Checkmate atheists?
so you post your twitch URL? I stream and am doing KOTOR 2 but you won't see me posting my shit on here.
Scam artist in the house
how's that amazing? all jedi can do that but most probably think it's pointless. i think she only does it because she has no physical strength as an old bat
Better off force floating blasters behind your target and fire it.
Atton in the restored content though was pretty cool
he strolls up with the bitches, they do their dance and get fucked he 360's and walks away to poke a sithlord
comes back and stands there all cool at the archway and you and him go skipping off into the sunset together
Kreia was exiled. There's enough hints in the game to assume she's Arren Kae and there are two versions for when she was exiled - for partaking in Mandalorian wars or before due to the affair with the Echani general. We probably should assume the latter considering Disciple saying that Revan "came to her first master to learn how to leave the order". Exile studied on Dantooine, as the old bot there has a recording of Vrook and not-Yoda discussing his padawanship. Kreia was a historian and never sat on the council. This could theoretically make it possible for the Exile and Kreia to have never met each other.
>but why must she cockblock me?
The Force is telling you to bang the superior Jedi waifu.
>play KOTOR for the first time
>didn't expect to fall in love with Bastila
I couldn't explain what I felt in my heart, but I found it beautiful. My regret is that she is a dead waifu
It would be completely retarded to have the same party interactions without it.
>i'll swear my undying allegiance to someone who is completely against my ethos and who previously was nothing but a dick to me because in this conversation he chose the right option
Woulda been nice if it went exactly like that, wheras its more that theyll swear loyalty to you, but handmaiden still quotes atris if you kill someone, and visas still gets a murder boner, even after going fully light. Mira/Atton were pretty good neutral sides that worked either way
Just woulda been nice to see some overall change outside of a couple story events to reflect the party members new alignment.
Theres the handmaiden fight, mira's fight, and that little bit with visas' chambers on the ship. Woulda been much better if the former 2 weren't left up to player choice in dialogue and actually reflected the characters nw set of mind. Same with that dark side shit on Dxun, nothing comes of it. Thanks Lucasarts.
She could look significantly different. The jedi masters only piece together who she is after she reveals her self, maybe they know her mostly as a result of her notoriety which was really only gained after the Exile had already left for the wars.
Imagine if I retooled the force unleashed engine to be a RPG engine and made it all about a no name soldier or smugler that has no force powers yet must fight agaionst powerful force wielding jedi/sith faggots by using deception or cunning.
Something as if Atton was the main character nd you choose his path. Either to be a killer of jedi or a Han Solo. Or something in between.
>Bastilla's a cunt
Bastilla loves you and only you :3
>tfw no atris gf to teach me some discipline
She was tortured and easily turned back to the light side with the power of love.
Kylo is awesome, he has an eight pack and a cool lightsaber.
Todd please, go back to removing features for Skyrim 2
Of course you're right when you talk like Kreia. She literally covers all bases and flip flops around based on whatever choice you picked so she's right in that situation. And even then she's not entirely right.
no? You only gain 1 force power thats light/dark and thats based on whatever side you are leaning towards at the time, otherwise you have access to everything you put points into, you just wont have more/less force cost requirements. Oh and >>324313426
that, but you can clear the game fine without prestige bonuses. Oh, and you probably wont be able to enter that one cave on korriban, cant remember if that was alignment or level locked.
That exact moment is the only one in the game Kreia yells at you whathever you do and It's fully intended.
Kreia wants you to understand that all your actions have consequences and you should think of those consequences before acting. Basically, she wants you to stop being a "retarded good guy" jedi helping every living thing on the galaxy or being a fucking emo edgelord sith killing because "lol, killing".
It may feel weird, but everything will make sense when you end the game (with Restored content mod, please).
Ayn ryand was avbitch who cheated on her husband and admired a serial killer for his "free spirt" i hate her type of thinking that people only help others to feel good about themselves.
Yup, only the power itself is based on alignment, like i did mostly "good" choices for each planet, still ended up with the dark side power since i was fully dark sided. It just tosses whatever the bar leans even slightly towards.
That might have worked if it actually depended on you consistently acting a certain way first and if the game actually had options beyond the standard "suck off orphan good" and "stomp puppy to death evil".
>Not nocicing Rey received Jedi training but was mind-wiped.
>Not noticing she began to use the force JUST after Kylo Ren attempted to read her mind (releasing her memories).
You don't get the point. She wants you to do things by yourself withouth the helping of the force IF YOU CAN.
When you use mindtrick on a dude in Onderon to let you pass she says "The real victory is to make this withouth the force".
She is not saying "you should fight withouth the force". She only wants you not to be 100% force dependant and to use your own common sense.
>tfw i started to like Mandalore more after i discovered he is
Onderon was my last planet, any cool interactions if i recruit him earlier in another playthrough? What happens if i bring him with me to the mandalorians on Nar Shadaa's flophouse and Dantooine's merc camp?
Considering hes only with you to reunite the clans so you'd get influence which opens more dialogue with him about his travels with revan, was interesting stuff.
The force is basically fate or destiny, shes a control freak, and shes old, and bitter, its not really surprising she hates it.
It's partially a front anyway
The Hunter themselves is actually one of my favourite classes, since they're pretty damn savvy no matter how you play them.
The problem most people had with it is that you're always just a bounty hunter. The storyline never makes you more. Which I thought was a given.
Because trying to interpret the clearly Daoist-inspired force as a judeo-christian god is really silly. It just makes her look stupid. And like Ulysses, we're supposed to take this villain with a really stupid ideology seriously.
She's such a difficult character to please
Inb4 that's the point
In a game where building relationships is a key component to the game, and one is literally impossible to please, it's incredibly annoying
Pic from an old thread
I, playing the sith lords contnent eddtion. literally did this last week, im playing a sith so I killed the guys and made him pay me, win win. If I recall all your compaions get butt hurt easily. In 2006 moral choice was either " I am jesus the paragon of good" Or fucking charles manson mixed with satan
Noone cares about anything you do in 1 except for 1 choice towards the end that is apparently the breaking point for everyone. All theyll do is shake their heads and call you too mean/nice
Malak calls her mean names and she turns evil in the span of 10 minutes.
Incidentally what the fuck is Malak even doing the entire game? He's clearly not off actually contributing to the operation since he's always staring out of windows. Go fucking do something. Anything.
>and fundamentally misunderstanding the force like Avellone does.
Get out Lucas.
When everyone calls her a kid.
Twi'lek kids and teenagers are built like kids and teenagers, though. Mission wasn't a good example. They just succeeded in making her slightly short.
Everyone calls her a kid and she herself says she's 14 years old. So it's pretty safe to assume that twi'lek age the same as humans. They can even produce offspring with humans as revealed in The Clone Wars.
You're thinking about impregnating Mission right now, aren't you?
Personally I get thrilled at the idea of seducing a sarcastic, snobby, amazing woman and making her want nothing more than to be fucked by me only to have her leave me for my younger and less successful former best friend once she sees how tall and rude he is. That shit really gets me off.
You don't have to play the first one, considering every so often a line is dropped in that roughly goes "THEN <Character from KOTOR> DID <Event from KOTOR>!"
But I'd play it anyway. First KOTOR is pretty good.
>They can even produce offspring with humans
>you will never have a Twi'lek wife
Female? Yes. Twi'lek? I'd call you a moron for saying this since you never could play as anything but a human in KotOR II (or the first game for that matter) without mods, but then again it's also canon that the Handmaiden traveled with the Exile (which is impossible for FemExile playthroughs without mods).
As far as I'm concerned, male exile fits better in the whole set.
So I'll just consider Jedi Jesus to be canon.
Kreia doesnt really comment on shit anywhwre else than Nar Shaddaa, and thats mainly because Nar Shaddaa has probably +10 straight up Jesus help moments with all the refugees needing your help.
Anyways, don't think that KoToR2 has Good/Bad moral. Its more like altruistic/cunning/psychotic. Kreia mostly likes cunning acts. And you can buddy up with her a lot after Nar Shaddaa since she talks a lot about new party members, the plot, her philosophy and Force if you just talk to her.
Neither of them is wrong mate. You lose influence only if you ignore what she says to you.
Also, losing influence =/= bad. One of the key points of Kotor 2 is that trying to befriend everyone and avoiding conflict are signs of weakness and insecurity.
>the ending is still shit even with TSLRCM
why didn't anyone tell me this
I first played Kotor 2 when it was released as a university freshman.
Waited years for the modding community to fix the clusterfuck. I am thankful for their hard work even though it isnt perfect.
>Struggle is the engine of success, Kreia tells you this constantly, if you let other do battle for you, you get weaker. If you fight battles for other people, they get weaker.
The problem is that's not always true and /v/ all of a sudden having threads about this edgelord bitch with no entertainment value as if she's the greatest character ever and deeply insightful
Anyone having issues with the game where you can't actually click anything? Occurs to me when it either comes out of a cutscene or when I start the game.
When it was released: New Star Wars story on a completely untouched lore.
Good Game, good story, good characters, REVAN, has to be played if you want to understand KOTOR2.
usually it only happens when the cutscenes kick in and rarely when starting the game up. now i can't get past the menu.
not even using it unless it's already included in the steam game or the restoration mod.
Of course. She was the best girl after all.
Once you've gotten chummy enough with her and hear her life story you should actually feel sorry for her a bit.
She felt more light side at one point, went crazy dark side, and then got fucked up and mind-raped/maybe physical raped by the two Sith Lords she called allies.
So, yeah. She's a bit crazy and wants the whole of the Force gone. That's the whole point in the end. You can't just end the Force. She makes sense until the end and then you realize "holy fuck this old woman wants nearly the same thing as Nihilus."
>Competing in the mandalorian battle circle
>Lose the fight, but only just
>Just before the conversation starts to confirm the loss, HK-47 suddenly shoots my opponent out of nowhere
>Does enough damage to finish him off
>"Wow Jedi, looks like we underestimated you!"
HK is the best droid by far
>[sloppy sex noises in the crew quarters]
>T3-M4 saw everything
It was Taoist inspired in the original but in the prequel it just got pants on the head retarded God. What sort of Taoist force impregnates a women with Jesus, fucks with his vision and turns him to the dark side and bring balance to the force after 25 years of galactic despotism and the near annhilation of the Jedi? Now imagine this shit repeated dozen of times in the EU and history and you can see why Kriea gets mad at shitty writing.
How did you get it so wrong? Kriea doesn't want to or could actually end the force, its a lie she told Atris to get you to chase her. She told the disciple and you repeatedly is that the exile is her greatest triumph, for someone to become so strong and prove that you don't have to be a neet Jedi or powermad Sith and be the Force's little bitch
>mfw just imagining how bad she would be, since she probably never explored herself as a jedi
>mfw imagining the embarrassment and awkwardness when she stumbles through everything
>How did you get it so wrong
It's her entire creed though. She's pure middle of the road. She chastises you for even using the Force to influence anyone around you. She chastises you for even helping people or hurting them in some cases.
That's pure force neutrality.
That's non-existence of the Force. It's obviously what she was aiming for. She was tired of it. Done with it. That's called being a normal person. She scoffed at the idea of making people in your crew Jedi/Sith or even recognizing them as that.
>she probably never explored herself as a jedi
I wonder how female Jedis react when their biological clock begins to kick them hard.
Do they fight when they're on their periods?
She personally hates it yes, but she more to the point, wanted you, and those under you to not simply follow the force completely like those in the council/sith. Cause that's the source of all the dumb shit that happens. So i dont know if neutrality is quite accurate.
She can't is why. THe exile is a very specific, special case where everything lined up just perfectly to create him/her, and was why she was so fascinated by you
Probably super hard. They are conditioned against sex and the like so I can't imagine that they can't control that too using the force to maniuplate them.
>no milf jedi, kept fit after a lifestyle of exercise, using force tricks to make me want to plant my seed in her
>no hot, sweaty milf jedi domination sex
>you will never get to impregnate a hot milf jedi while you shove a lightsaber up her ass
You can point her hypocrisy out to her at the end. She claims she uses it in hopes of understanding it better and learning if it's possible to get rid of it. Then she follows with "but maybe these are just excuses of an old woman who has grown to rely on the thing she hates".
That and she can't just replicate what the Exile had done to himself at Malachor V. It was a result of unusual circumstances, and frankly, in the grand scope of things it would accomplish nothing anyway. One wound won't get rid of the force entirely, but it's enough to get her fascinated with you. Because you're everything she wants to but can't be.
I really liked Kreia
I sorta hoped that if you had like massive Wisdom stat you could actually convince to cross over to your line of thinking (depending on your morality alignment)
>no milf jedi, kept fit after a lifestyle of exercise, using force tricks to make me want to plant my seed in her
>no hot, sweaty milf jedi domination sex
>you will never get to impregnate a hot milf jedi while you shove a lightsaber up her ass
Atris was a wasted opportunity.
That's kind of backwards though.
I feel like people who are willing to abandon their families are just as quickly willing to abandon anyone. That's just my experience though, cause I turned out to be a soulless shitbird.
Its one of the many reasons the jedi/council got fucked over, the only attachment they had was to the force, so they would do sometimes incredibly stupid things because force balance.
Is there a better robot than HK-47 in all of star wars
Kreia is not neutral. She is, in fact, the ultimate Sith, one who truly embodies the Sith Code. "Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me." The stereotypical Sith is not free, rather they are a slave to the Force. Kreia uses the Force but does not want one to become reliant on it. Using the Force to break one's chains rather than be chained.
>you will never be a jedi in training visiting atris' academy on an exchange program.
>she will never berate you and call you names as you struggle through echani training
>she will never call you into her chambers late at night
>she will never force you to kneel in front of her and eat her out
>her hot, sweaty pussy after a hard day's training will never be on your face
>she will never pin you down and force you to impregnate her, before dismissing you as nothing more than a human dildo and sending you home
it's called satire smarty party pooper pants
It's posts like these I stick around for. Thanks. Great discussions.
Like others have said.
Get your ass behind the bar and shoot.
Breddy easy after that. Be sure to Atton your best bro after this. There are other times where you might want Bao with you too for influence reasons. It's hard as fuck though when considering all your people.
Bounty hunters aren't well trained in the art of pathfinding. Get behind the bar and watch them stand there in confusion.
Afterwards, try to keep all your party members properly equipped. There will be times when you'll need to use them without the Exile around and if you're playing with the restoration mod, Atton and HK will get more solo content.
And do get a spare pair of upgraded blasters and keep it in your inventory unassigned. They'll come in handy soon on Nar Shadaa.
>some hack at a video game company who wrote for a single star wars game is suddenly a better authority on the fundamentals of the universe than the guy who made the universe
>implying lucas, or anyone except obsidrones and a few people at bioware who threw a few pity references in TOR, give a fuck about kotor2
Did anyone else here make the mistake of installing the robot planet mod that the restoration mod team made? The one that was based off the final planet/jedi master who were cut from the game?
Holy shit do I regret that. several hours of obscenely long corridors, bad voice acting, who gives a fuck tier quests and a plot that was so dumb I forgot it after I finished.
>No matter what you do, you technically prove him right
Ulysses was literally insane. Part of what he wanted was to test your convictions and get the point across that people shouldn't be constantly trying to cling to old world ideals (AKA pick Independent), but the other half was Ulysses being so fucked up due to his refusal to let go that you can straight up listen to his tapes and make him realize what a madman he is
1. revan was the guy who came up with the idea of two dark lords, and bane just stole the idea
2. apprentices killing their masters is part of ancient sith tradition
Because it's like 10% cut content 90% shit they came up with to fill in the blanks, so it's essentially a shitty fan expansion, and they probably already maxed their moms' credit cards paying for the voice actors for the first version.
Sion literally holds his already broken body together through the sheer force and rage. He basically is suppose to be dead already but isn't. so he is like a force zombie.
And it is how he was still active when the republic soldiers thought he was dead on that ship in the beginning of the game
No, before Revan there was only 1 dark lord of this sith. Source: Tales of the Jedi: Golden Age of the Sith.
Then when Bane discovered Revan's holocron, he adopted the idea of there only being 2 dark lords, the master and the apprentice, from him. Source: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction
Apprentice killing the master and undertaking his mantle is part of ancient sith tradition. Source: Kotor 1 and 2
Malak is repeatedly called Revan's apprentice. Source: Kotor 1