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Which is the better character?
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What do you mean it's the same person?
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Big Boss is more lovable/fuckable But Solid is much more heroic.

So it depends on which trait is more important to you.
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Solid by a mile.

Naked should've never been playable.
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>>324285485
the original is always better
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>>324287296
Snake had more depth and characterization in mgs1 than bigboss had in any game.
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>>324285485

Venom
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>>324285485
The one on the right is just big boss in a sneaking suit
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>>324287296
>Big Boss is more fuckable
>implying
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>>324287518
Venom barely even spoke.
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>>324285485
Jack will be always my favorite tho especially after the end of MGSV
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>>324285485
bb obviously
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I have never played a Metal Gear game besides Revengeance so I have no idea. There are like 3 Snake clones or something that's all I know.
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>>324287518
Venom doesn't even have a character
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iriqouis

;__; rip
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>>324287976

He has tho.
He is Big Boss... So I'm guessing BB > SS.
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>Left
>Tried as hard as he could to satisfy his mommy problems for his entire life and ends up dying without ever actually doing it.
>Right
>Follows through with The Boss's will without even knowing it and does a better job than big boss ever could of doing it.
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>>324288064

Maybe he was Solid Snake in disguise.
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>>324288280
>iriquois is solid snake
<3 this meme, I really, really do...
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>>324288280
Impossible, Solid Snake died on that tanker!
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>>324288446

Could he have survived?
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SS>V>BB>Liquid>>Solidus
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>>324285485
People always call out snake for being a pawn but I kind of look at it differently. He seemed to have a more mature outlook on the world. He got fucked by the government sure, but he wasn't going to use his own personal vendetta as an excuse to fuck over the entire world. In comparison to Snake Bigboss seems like a shitty comicbook villain.
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>>324288571
>Venom above anyone
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Otacon
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>>324288280
Wew lad

and everybody knows Solid(RIP) is the best snake
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Big Boss fucking sucks and literally always has

MGS3 should have been about Liquid
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>>324288673
Big boss faught off a swarm of bees with a fuckingn knife.
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>>324288813
he jumped off a cliff
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>>324288673
At least he never put a gun in his mouth, then missed.
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>>324288673
>no gulf war era game where you play as liquid
>no stealth section in pic
>STANDING
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>>324288813
Nope, he used a never ending clip on a stubby m16 while wearing a croc cap with his face painted like a kabuki
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>>324285485
Big Baby
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>>324287518
>liking self-insert characters
you're a different breed of autism
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>>324288813
Snake fought off a sexy waifu sniper with remote controlled missiles. Way fucking cooler.
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>>324288134
Eh, he has BB's memories but I think there are differences in their personality. How they each view Paz for instance.
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where did BB get his extreme durability from? fucker's survived all kinds of shit

hell, even Liquid inherited that
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>>324287837
But Jack is Raiden.
Why the fuck are so many people called John or variations of it in this series?
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>>324289417
John Doe
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>>324285485
How is this even a question?
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>>324289417
like how there's different kinds of snakes but they're snakes all the same
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>>324287518
Venom is self insert devoid of any personality
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>>324289261
>remote controlled missile
Did everyone killed sniper wolf with the nikita?
Am I the only one who outsniped her?
I didn't even know it was possible
I have to play MGS1 again
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Everyone is better than Big Boss

Even Venom is better with the extremely little amount of characterization about him we got

>Gets shit done
>Has a hard life, living with phantom but doesn't fucking cry about it like Big Boss
>Loyal
>Literally just give him and a mission and he'll do it perfectly
>Understood The Boss's will and wanted to help people instead of creating endless war like Big Boss
>Was your favorite guy from Peace Walker
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>>324285485
Big Boss was terrific in MGS3, but Solid Snake from his MGS1 and 2 appearances will always be better.
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>>324289691
>Big Boss was terrific in MGS3

He was Solid Snake with autism
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MGSV pretty much confirms anyone can be like Big Boss, totally watering down the title.
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>>324289526
Wow I didn't know Peace Walker was this bad
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>>324289787
did you not play MGS3/PW at all?
the title of Big Boss was already watered down
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>>324289612
The way you did it is a lot more fun. Using the nikita was cheesy bullshit.
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Why did Snake fire the gun after he took it out of his mouth?
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>>324285485
I like Naked Snake a lot, but I think Solid Snake has a better character arc. Big Boss' character is all over the fucking place throughout the games.
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>>324289771
nah bro, it was interesting to watch him change from a young wide eyed impressionable soldier who looked up to his mentor into a seasoned but cynical veteran of the field.
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>>324289904
there was 1 bullet
firing it means he cant change his mind and kill himself
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>>324289787
Kojima has been trying to hammer that point in since MGS
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>>324288551
blasphemy, we saw it with our own eyes
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>>324287518
Venom may be boring but even with dem scars and that horn, he still manages to be the most handsome Snake.
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>>324289904
to make sure he wouldn't try it again
wasn't there only one bullet inside?
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>>324290001
his aesthetics only exist because big boss does
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>>324289417
It's like a friendly nickname for BB, I mean, he may be a jerk late in the series, but he is my kind of jerk.
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>>324290080
Venom pulls off Big Boss better than Big Boss does
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>>324290014
>>324289989
He could have just gone and gotten another bullet. It's not like he had to do it right then or not at all.
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>>324290145
this. Real big boss turned out to be a coward after he was pushed far enough. Venom is like Big Boss with Solid Snake's determination and loyalty.
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Raiden.
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>>324285485
Jack was a puppet his entire life, even when he was building Outer Heaven, he was only a tool for what he THOUGHT The Boss wanted for the future of the World.

David was a pawn like his dad, up until he said "fuck this shit" and helped end the legacy of the Patriots. David actually got shit done.
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>>324290264
Venom ended up being too loyal, though
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>>324290220
But by the time he bought another, would he still have wanted to die?
I know from personnal experience that you can change your mind in less than a minute
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>>324290220
>complaining about poetry

his hand was on the trigger and he's a million years old, his finger couldve slipped
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Definitely Raiden
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>tfw you realize Quiet was in love with Big Boss, not Venom
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>>324289417
It's not just in this series. Hollywood movies and fiction in general are filled with Johns and Jacks.
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>>324290671
If BB was the MC in MGSV, would he reciprocate her feelings?
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>>324291069
Probably still hung up on EVA so no
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>>324291069
No. Big Boss wants sex, not love. See: EVA, Paz.
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>>324290671
Quiet was in love with the alpha motherfucker who kicked her ass multiple times
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>>324289549
Not so much necessarily. There are a number of plot elements in MGSV that are player-decided, but there are a number of canonical moments that establish Venom as being a much more empathetic person than BB. For example, for as much as Huey may have deserved to die, Venom let him live in exile, which BB at that point in his character development is suggested to probably not have cared if in the same situation. His relation to the soldiers of Diamond Dogs is also established to be one of legitimate care, while BB is established by that point to have completely loss sight of the vision of a world where soldiers are not exploited.
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>>324291069
No.
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>>324290671
The point of MGSV's ending is that Venom IS Big Boss. He made all the decisions that the original Big Boss would have made under those circumstances.
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>>324290001
>Meant to resemble BB as closely as possible
>Somehow manages to be better looking than him
Nice
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>>324290671
Jokes on you, I didn't complete Quiet's last mission until after I had done Truth and restored Venom's face back to his original self.
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>mfw I genuinely believed, up until the moment of the reveal, that the "You're not really playing as Big Boss" theory was utter nonsense, on par with "Chico is Quiet" and that there was absolutely, positively no way it would actually be true
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>>324285485
MGS 3 >>>>>> all other
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>>324290264
>coward
big boss literally did nothing wrong. the whole fiasco with venom was set up by ocelot and zero and bb just ran with it.
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>>324290671
>Quiet loved Big Boss
>Eli hated him
>Kaz and Ocelot used him
>All of his soldiers loved Big Boss
>Paz, his waifu of peace, died because of him after getting gangbanged and thinking of Chico/Big Boss

>Even after literally never doing anything wrong and always trying to be a good person, even sparing HUEY, no one ever truly cared about Venom
>Except for DD, who was probably an old senile dog by the time of MG1
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>>324287296
>Solid is much more heroic.
if by heroic you mean a mindless tool that gets used by everyone, then yes.
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>>324285485
Can you listen to the ground zeroes tapes in PP?
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>>324290264
>coward
no bully
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>>324291983
no
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>>324290671
she might have known. you could make the argument that she stopped trying to kill him because she realized it wasn't him.

I mean, didn't all of his soldiers eventually figure out that he wasn't Big Boss? They were saying shit about it on my game at Mother Base after I beat it, and that was before I got Quiet's ending.
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>>324291715
It's alright, I believed it too. Even with all the hints, I still just refused grasp that you were actually just playing as some random Medic.
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>>324291819
if he really cared about his men, he wouldn't have let his best man get dicked over so hard.
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>>324291819
if he wasnt a pussy he wouldnt have ran with it, he'd say nah and wouldnt use venom like they used him in mgs3. he got used af because of his loyalty to the boss.
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>>324287698
Solid Snake was ugly as fuck in MGS2, and he was too old in MGS4.
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>>324292065
That's just an easter egg

The only people who knew about Venom were Zero, Big Boss, Ocelot, and Kaz, and none of them give a shit about him and saw him as a tool
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>>324290001
Young SS is still the most handsome Snek IMHO. They're all extremely bangable regardless.
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>>324292202
A soldier coming up to Venom, saluting, and saying "I don't who you really are Boss, but you're still my Boss" is just an easter egg?
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>>324290671
Quiet loved the guy who ran Diamond Dogs, kicked her ass multiple times, and showed genuine affection for his soldiers.
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>>324292194
Solid was sexy as Pliskin aka Lite version of BB.
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>>324291242
Both of them left him, not the other way around.
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>>324291395
If someone had the same memories of Big Boss and truly believed he was Big Boss, wouldn't he have done the exact same things Big Boss would've done?
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Looks wise

Venom > Liquid > Solid > Naked > Solidus

We still need proper FOX engine renders of Liquid and Solidus, but assuming that they have the same face as Snake then it's all pretty much even, although Liquid has an advantage since he actually has his own style
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>>324292335
It is, yeah. You gotta know Kojima like's his easter eggs in your face and cheeky as they get.
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>>324291819
He ran with it, that's the problem. It's like he just woke up from his Ground Zeroes coma and suddenly decided to be an asshole that used his own men.
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I can't believe MGS V ruined the story of MG1, MGS 1, and MGS 4 all at once.
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>>324291395
Venom did what he thought Big Boss would do because he thought Big Boss was a hero, while also being swayed by Kaz and Ocelot

That's why he went around trying to disarm every nuke in the fucking world while the real Big Boss planned on mass producing them to take over and create perpetual war since he's too stupid to do anything else
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>>324285485
Venom
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>>324292178
>>324292179
>>324292601
>implying he hated venom
venom threw away his life to save bb, and bb repaid him by bringing venom up to his status. bb ran with it because that would mean there would be more soldiers following his vision.
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>>324291884
Even after all this bullshit, I still prefer the original BB.
Venom was good, I even liked him, being a silent dude and all, but not compares with BB charisma.
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>>324292286
definitely
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>>324287518
Venom is a saint compared to Big Boss. He cares about his men. He doesn't speak much, but the knife fight scene and Shining Lights demonstrate more love and care then Big Boss ever showed.

>>324292775
He still abandoned Kaz and MSF. He's continuing the dream, but leaving behind the people he started the dream with.
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>>324292775
>rewarded him with his status

more like he slapped all the stigmas of being one of the most feared and hated persons in the world onto some poor schmuck and went into hiding for him to take the heat.
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Venom
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>>324292481
No. because he was living the legend of big boss who rassled bears and never did anything wrong, not the true life of big boss where he made many mistakes along the way.
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>>324292978
Big Boss's end game wasn't Kaz's dream, it was way too fucking extreme and fueled by what he wanted after saying fuck the boss
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>>324290001
Agreed.

Also I'm still pissed off you can't just wear the gas mask. Venom looks fucking great with it
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>>324293020
venom seemed pretty stoked to be part of big boss' legend with that smirk he cracks in truth

>>324292978
he didn't leave ocelot behind.
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>>324290001
He's the most qt
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>>324292286
> you will never be this handsome
> will never fight for a cause you truly believe in and be this handsome at the same time
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>>324285485
Naked
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Does Venom have a thinner face or something? His head structure seems so perfect but then when I look at BB in GZ or V he looks fatter and older
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>>324293238
Where the mods at
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>>324289612
wait what? you could use the nikita? because I did it with sniping
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Solid Snake although Big Boss' games are more fun
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>>324289612
I did it fair and square the first time I ever played it, and then a friend told me about the nikita, and I did that once during a replay just to try it out because I didn't believe him.
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>>324293648
I know what you mean. BB looks so much fatter and even older compared to Venom. I think it's just the ponytail + scars or even the fact that they aren't the same person bu tthey still use the same face model.
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>>324289612
>>324293667
I sniped her too, I never even considered using the Nikita.
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>>324289954
honestly the ending of MGS3 tells you everything you need to know about Big Boss' motivations for Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land
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>>324293648
Yeah I've noticed it too. Particularly when I stick Venom is the GZ Sneaking Suit. Even his body looks different?
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>>324287518
Venom had a hard life.

Big boss is a faget who did everything wrong.
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>>324293648
>>324293903
Right. Venom is probably younger.
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>>324289656
>Peace Walker
venom was in peace walker?
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If it was just the original trilogy, then Big Bos >> Solid Snake
But thanks to PW and MGS5, Solid Snake > big Boss
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>>324294146
>venom was in peace walker?
no
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>>324294093
Agreed. The final few minutes of MGS3 are a perfect set up to the MSX titles. There was no need to flesh the character out that much.
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Old Snake or old Big Boss?
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>>324292286
agreed but IMO MGS4 young Snake always looked a little off. The codec and polygons from MGS1 made me picture his face a lot more narrow.
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>>324294424
Old BB
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>>324294146
They say that "he was always the best man we had" so some people headcanon that he's Alligator from PW.
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>>324294146
Venom was MSF's best man. So who ever your best solider was, that's Venom.
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>>324292286
thing is mgs4 solid looks so much grumpier and "get off my lawn"-ish, that whole fucking frown gives him 10 more years of age. If he had a bit more relaxed face he'd be much better looking. BB/Venom look pissed but not too pissed, they look worn-out and kinda "idgaf".
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>>324294146
He was the best man in MSF so it's safe to say that he was whichever soldier you liked/used the most
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>>324294093
except it doesn't?????
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>>324294424
Old Snake is the best Snake, period.
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The real question is why the fuck did kojima never explain Iroquois plisken?

I thought he would be in mgs 5 as perhaps in eli's child soldier group as a rival so his appearance in 2 would be justified.

Instead kojima leaves us with another loose end that will never be resolved.
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>>324294424
Old snake. Old BB was one of the worst things in a game with a main character who constantly shits his pants for laughs and multiple scenes that feature a diapered monkey who drinks soda..
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>>324294093
No it fucking doesn't

It's one thing to denounce the Government, but Big Boss was a fucking nuclear warlord.

PW explained it decently, but there's really no way to justify what Big Boss did. At the end of the day he was a fucking cunt who ruined everything for everyone because he couldn't even bother to change his lifestyle like Snake tried to
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>>324294781
How doesn't it? It gives you the chronicling of how he became such a famous soldier, how he received his title, and where his anti-US motivations came from. That's all we needed to know.
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>>324287448
spouting weird monkish platitudes about war and love does not equal good characterization
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>>324285485
Venom
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>>324294958
Old BB is in 3 games (yes MG1 counts, it's a 25 year late retcon that doesn't matter)
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>>324285485
solid snake
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Ocelot is my favorite Snake, he's in all of the games, excluding Peace Walker. Who else can say that?
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>has the nicest smile
>yet is the saddest snake

is this some sort of poetry?
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>>324287518
>Gets his life stolen from him
>Loses an arm
>Waifu goes off to die in the desert
>Used as a tool by Zero, Big Boss, and Ocelot
>Dies alone with no one even knowing who he really was
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>>324295160
Old BB and brought back from the dead for needless exposition BB are two very different characters.
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>>324295460
Old means old you retard, why are you acting like it's some codename
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>>324295009
I guess you're right. Though it does leave a lot of shit unexplained (like how he became an evil villain asshole).
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>>324295328
>saddest snake
What?
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>>324294920
Agreed
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Solid Snake > Big Boss > Revolver Ocelot > Eva > Liquid Snake > Solidus Snake > Raiden
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>>324295823
>adding EVA to this list for literally no reason
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>>324293648
I remember when I got TPP one of the first things I said "Man they really paid attention to the detail with Big Boss' muscle loss because he isn't nearly as big as he was in Ground Zeroes"

Then I found out
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>>324295665
I'm trying to differentiate between a pretty decent villain and a shitty excuse for an exposition dump
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>>324287518
Only correct answer.
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>>324295823
>Solidus Snake and Raiden that low
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>>324295967
Well actually it is muscle loss, Medic wasn't as skinny as that unless you mean after the hospital then yeah he did seem skinnier.
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>>324285485
I wish people wouldn't put the Brawl Snake as Solid Snake in pictures. Solid Snake didn't have a beard. That is why is Brawl he is just labelled Snake instead of Solid Snake.
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Solid snake will always be my snake but i cant help to feel kind of a melancholy sadness for Venon, he got everything taken from him, his life, his goals and even his true love,

I wished we could ve experince him more in mgsv.

Ss>V>liquid>bb
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>tfw its gone forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiPon8lr48U
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>>324295328
venom always seemed to be on the optimistic side, contrasted to BB who just feels like his experiences made him super jaded and much more calculating.
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>>324296127
he had kind of a chin strap thing going on in MGS2 with stuff growing in everywhere else.

definitely not like the beard in Brawl though.
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>>324296234
It shows up at the end of this hidden track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDtj-2qnTXk
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>Tfw my favorite scene with Venom wasn't even in the final game
I fucking love that "That's right. Don't blame yourself, blame me." line from Kingdom of The Flies. Then you've got him handing Eli the gun with a single bullet, fucking off towards the helicopter, and Eli pussying out and not firing at him.
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Gibson Snake and Connery Boss > Every other version of Snake and Boss.
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>>324296576
I didn't watch any of the trailers for MGSV, which one is that in?
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>>324296364
Venom in general is much more empathetic. Just look at how he views Paz as some icon of peace. Then you've got Big Boss, whose first assumption after learning that she's alive in GZ is that he's going to Camp Omega to murder her and seems totally cool with it.
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>>324296883
Mission 51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3e0LoFh8ew
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>>324296883
It's in the deleted scenes from the blu ray that came with the special edition of the game.
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>>324295784

Sometimes it's better not to show things and that was definitely the case for everything that happened to BB after MGS3. MGS3 gave enough story for Big Boss that we could build the rest in our head. Every single addition since then has only made his story worse.
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>>324295813
>>324295967
Venom never seems to actually enjoy himself like Snake and Big Boss do

Even when his men get a little disorderly he makes a huge scene out of it and stabs himself to make a point about how they're family
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>>324296576
>pussying out

I dunno, it seems like a good idea to give yourself a quick death instead of dying via napalm
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>>324297243
>Little disorderly
If they were just fighting then yeah I'd understand but the guy brings out a knife.
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>>324296569
that sounds like something that would play when you finally get to play as big boss
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>>324285485
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>>324297794
Where's the new edition featuring Venom?
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>>324297476
A better question is why Venom even cared about it so much, DD were literally just a bunch of merc scum trying to profit off of war
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>>324297909
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>>324285485
>forgetting best snake
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>>324298040
>doesnt speak kikongo

he actually kinda did when u first meet eli, right? other than that 10/10.
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Solid > Venom = Liquid > Big Boss > Solidus

Honestly I cant see how anyone thinks BB is bettet than Solid

Solid has significant developments in each appearance and we really get to see many facets of his character. Same even with Venom to some extent if his story wasnt chopped to shit.

With Big Boss we just have Snake Eatrr and his hamfisted redemption in 4, the rest is really inconsequential revisionist shit

Even past that Solid was a cool dude while BB is just a huge mommas boy
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>>324297142
Kind of, yeah. I sorta agree with you.
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>>324292680
>Ruined MGS 1, and MGS 4 all at once.
Only mg1 and mg2 was hurt. How was mgs4 and mgs 1 hurt?
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Solid Snake.

Big Boss is a big pussy.

Though 'Big Boss' is the greatest name/title in all of fiction.
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>>324298979
You cant even ruin MGS4 because it's already one of the biggest pieces of shit ever made
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>>324294425
I never really got that myself. He's super gaunt in MG2-MGS2 but he looks like a football player when he wears the mask in 4.
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>>324295813
>implying
i have a ton of sad venom pictures i can go all day.
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>>324300034
>
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>>324289103
*magazine

fucker.
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Venom Snake is the best one considering he built Outer Heaven from scratch and went through hell and back for his men. While he's being used by people to do their dirty work, he doesn't fight for nations nor corporations. He's a true mercenary.

Even though we never will, It would be THE SHIT to see a sequel where he goes full rogue against big boss, ocelot and everyone else and becomes powerful as fuck, still keeping his particular view of the world.
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>>324291069
God damn that is the best mullet I've ever seen
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>>324300854
Was V your first MGS game?
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>>324296893

It's because of his medical background. Hippocratic oath of do no harm & etc. His training is suppressed during the hypnosis to turn him into BB, but he retains those emotional scars from being unable to save Paz.
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>>324287518
Venom has the coolest design and that's it.
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>>324301370
He has the best voice
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the pre-boss scenes in act2 of mgs4 explain that as a clone, solid snake not only aged at an accelerated rate but also had been engineered to be sterile so he couldn't reproduce or otherwise be copied.

he was the real deal, start to finish. no clones, no doppelgangers operating on his behalf. only once did he assume a pseudonym, but it was paper thin and its purpose was to infiltrate THE compound containing all asses in need of kicking.

solid snake is superior.
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>>324301026
no my first MGS was 4, then 3 and then 5

i'm not a MGS hardcore fan by any means
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PO/PW Snek > Snake > Mgs3 snake > venom > Old Snake >>> neckbeard dropout snake
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>>324285485
All traitors are shit, especially when they betray for literally no reason.Kojima fucked up with both of them.We are talking about a guy who thought twilight-tier love story between annoying blonde dude and annoying bitch was good, so no surprises there.
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solid killed naked/venom/all other posers three times, once without weapons or any other mode of physical contact. his presence alone was more than enough.
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>>324301727
dear god
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>>324301441
V's voice actor was shit.
It was so hollywood.
David Hayter did a much better job (except Peace Walker.. His voice acting in that one was questionable)
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Solid Snake

He is actually interesting and develops constantly whereas BB is the same stoic character in every game.
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>>324289417
All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
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>>324298040
>that shitty horn
0/10
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>>324301942
what's your problem cocksucker
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Does /v/ like Calorie Mate?
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>>324297952

because he was one of them
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>>324291246
Agree 100%
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Literally just finished the REAL ending for MGSV.

Holy fuck that was retarded.
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>>324288551

Not a chance.
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>>324302467

>Putting your snacks next to your grenades

Grenades go inside the fridge, son
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>>324297794
>probably would have used reddit
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>>324285485
Venom Snake and MGS2 Raiden shit on both of them.

PROVE ME WRONG.
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>>324291395
Venom follows the ideal version of Big Boss. Naked Snake's actions during MGSV essentially show that he is cool with abandoning and risking his own men to fulfil his wishes.
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>>324300372
holy shit are you playing on a PS2!?
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>>324305631
>Venom Snake
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>>324305631
I don't really like them but either of them would spank both Solid Snake and Big Boss.
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>>324290264
>is willing to risk everything and build a nation to go against the whole world
>coward
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SS is best snake
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>>324305631
I've personally seen Raiden naked, and he doesn't have a butthole so your argument kind of falls flat.
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>>324305896
Except Venom also did that while dangling his balls out in front of the whole world for them to see and all while taking on XOF and Cipher.
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>>324305992
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>be a kid
>play mgs1 on psx
>snake is cool
>few years later get ps2 and play mgs2
>raiden is cool
>mgs3 time
>cool snake is back
>borrows ps3
>mgs4
>damn i like how he gets old through the series
>mgs5
>oh cool snake again
>what venom?
>who the fuck is solidus?
>what ocelot?
>ocelot? liquid?
>he was an arm?
>but there was ocelot battle in the mgs1 too?
>more snakes? venom? who the fuck boss is?
>fucking more snakes? clones? what the fuck?

Entire mgs plot is fucked up. And to this day i barely understand this.
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You will never be a Diamond Dog.
You will never get punched in the face by Venom
You will never get turned to diamonds.
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>>324307037
>You will never get turned to diamonds

You actually can do that. There are several services that you can opt for that when you die, you can have your ashes turned into a memorial diamond.
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>>324307243
I know but I'm not made of money and neither is my family.

That and I will never be carried into battle on a diamond dogs shoulder. I will never be a shining light.
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>>324294425
fun fact: yoji shinkawa based this portrait on christopher walken
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So uhh... was babby mantis ever explained in MGSV or just fuck it?
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>>324308513
Depends on your definition of explained.
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>>324306678
How old were you when you first played the first few MGS games? It's really not that hard to comprehend the basic framework if you're older than 6 or 7.
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Who /seal/ here?
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solidus snake
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Snake and Big Boss were both pretty cool.

But they're both garbage compared to this fucking Pliskin guy. Biggest badass in the series.
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>>324291926
But he is self aware, he knows that.

So he's not mindless, Snake is definitely a better character than BB. Has a lot more depth when it really comes down to it, BB had some tragedy but Snake is a tragedy himself, and he realises this. You can see how much of a broken version of himself he is in MGS4 but he continues to save the world.
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>>324308513
Was it ever explained why Volgin is the human torch now?
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>>324308513
Just like where Liquid and his niglet army went with Sahelanthropus
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>>324310524
I mean, you're joking, aren't you? Everybody knows that Pliskin is Chico
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>>324287518
>>324285485
only the keifer-based answer is correct
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>>324297794
>Solidus and Solid are the same
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>>324311894
>kiefer
more like Silent Snake amirite?
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>>324298053
>the original snake
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>>324311201

Nanoma-I mean PARASITES. Well, not really, but it's the closest thing we have. It's either that or the magic that is vengeful anger.

The plot is unfinished though, so I think Kojima was in the middle of trying to concoct an explanation when Konami started to shut him down. The hard mode versions of earlier missions are basically prototypes for what he really wanted to create. He just never had the chance to work out the plot details for why Venom had to say go subsistence or complete silence.
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>>324312496

Remember how Skull Face claimed to be the clean up man for BB's missions? That's what the joke picture is trying to get at.

It's kinda supported by one of the trailers for the game that switched in Skull Face's head with Venom. But as with the rest of the dropped plot, this was never properly explored.
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>>324285485
jack
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>>324301596
Unique doesn't necessarily mean superior.
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>>324298351
Eli was raised in England until he was 12, they were speaking English to each other.

On the other hand, the interpreters you recruit teach Venom their languages, so maybe he was. Either way, Eli knows English.
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is that even a question?
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>>324312098
>Silent Snake
Man that would really be an awesome Snake.
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>>324315626
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>>324306136

again
Venon made mother base

Big boss made outer haven and then he gave it to Venon
then venon lost everything in a week.
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>>324285485
Naked Snake. Big Boss is a different person personality wise.
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>>324305273
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>>324315862
a true human beam
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