>>324255612 Have you seen their crowdfunding page? It has photos of their dead babby plastered all over it.
What disgusts me more than the fact they are profiting from this shit or the fact that the game turned into christfag garbage, is that some of those voice clips are probably RL stuff from times when the baby wasn't dead. Even the crying ones.
>>324256089 >What disgusts me more than the fact they are profiting from this shit That was mt first thought when I've discovered the game, but I didn't bother investigating it, because I believed they wouldn't be this awful. Goddamn
Looks like a pretty boring game but I can understand why the parents created it. What I don't understand is why the proceeds from the game aren't going to charity - the 15 dollars or so you spend on this game could just be spent towards a charity that actually helps cancer patients. It's pretty morally dubious to me that the family are more concerned with lining their own pockets than helping other kids with cancer.
>>324252757 This narrative of yours has a flaw; No one is talking shit about this game on this board. The few times I've actually seen it discussed was only about how dumb it was to have it on Ouya only,and during this month, how bizarre a game like that would be. I'm really sick and tired of you journofluids trolling forums for ANY negative information about a game that might have some SJW-tendencies(which this game clearly doesn't) You should be ashamed of yourself.
>>324256592 Are you autistic? Don't you see the difference between a good (or at least well received, fuck you) movie covering historical moment and two fucks trying to milk their dead kid mere WEEKS after he died? With a terrible game nonetheless.
On the one hand it's just a shitty, cheap game and it seems like they're cashingbin on a tragedy, but on the other hand they lost a child and maybe they deserve a little cash? I have a 7 month old and I'd be pretty devastated if something like this happened to him.
Holy shmoly, my butt-mad-O-meter for that game rises on a daily basis.
fuck your oscar bait fuck your pretentious attitute fuck your immunity to criticism fuck all this hypocritical condolence fuck all those reviewers feeling obliged to give this a good score fuck all those reviewers rating that game basically just for it's topic and nothing else
If you want this game to be a memorial for your dead son make it free and accept donations
Wanna make a commercial produkt out of it? well fucking sorry, deal with everything that comes with it
If Schindler's List was created while Jews were still being genocided then yeah, it'd be pretty unethical. It'd be just as fucking stupid as making a movie about ISIS killing Yazidis and charging people $20 to see it while claiming you're 'spreading awareness', when in reality if you wanted to spread awareness you'd either make it free OR you'd donate the profits to the Yazidi community.
There's no real excuse that the devs aren't donating at least a portion of the sales to kids' cancer treatment or research. It says a lot when buying fucking Five Nights at Freddy's donates more to cancer research than this game does.
>>324256917 Maybe you should come at them with some actual criticism instead of
>lel milking your dead son's cancer with a non-game you deserve to be bullied t.b.h.
Because, you know. Reminding people that you made a personal game about your son dying is pretty much the correct response to that.
It's kinda like when /v/ wanted to shit on DAII and chose "lel all the characters are gay Anders such a homo" as their angle of attack. And then everyone was surprised when EA called them out as homophobes and didn't address criticism about what a rushed piece of shit with recycled dungeons and rubbish encounters it was.
>>324257117 Not really. I can use the same verb and tell that "they are covering death of their kid mere weeks after it happened". It doesn't become any less fucked up.
Since they are not donating shit, my only defense towards this game is that it raises awareness towards cancer but it doesn't cancel the fact that the game lacks any subtlety or the fact that they are doing this by slapping their death kid on every aspect of it.
+ Spielberg, unlike those fucks, has ACTUALLY donated millions of dollars to all kinds of charities so that makes your original argument even weaker.
>Using your child's death to make cash >Devout Christians Yeah, I'm sure a vision of baby Jesus told you to get that money. If you wanted to memorialize your son you wouldn't be charging $15 for a two hour experience that's supposed to make you feel bad. At least all of the money Razer gets from Ouya sales of the game will go to charity. So none.
>>324258007 GIB MONIE PLS MY SON WAS NOT OLD ENOUGH TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY FOR HIS CANCER AND I WANT THE HOT DOLLARZ
>>324257641 It's trolling if it offends them in anyway. Doesnt matter if it justified criticism or valid critique, if it hurts my feelings you're a troll. Feelings are more important than facts or reason.
>>324257602 It was a shameless cash in as well as a terrible movie. If you want to talk holocaust films not made to make money by leveraging genocide, consider Night and Fog, Shoah or even Diamonds of the Night.
>>324257886 >I can use the same verb and tell that "they are covering death of their kid mere weeks after it happened". It doesn't become any less fucked up. Why? The game was in development for a longer time. It was about his life. He died shortly before it was done so they reworked it to reflect that. You're making it sound like they threw something together after his death and that they don't deserve any recognition for the work they put into it because, what, it's too soon? They should be the ultimate judges of that, don't you think?
>>324257857 Because cancer and AIDS are a billion dollar industry. George Bush and Dick Cheney would rather kill off millions of poor people to line their pockets instead of saving the world and being remembered as heroes. I genuinely thought Obama was different but he's in the same little rich white man's clubhouse as the rest of them.
>>324257990 They only deserve respect if they release a product that's worthy of praise, which it isn't. As a videogame, it's objective garbage. As a work of art, it's derivative and plain bad. The fact that they're making dosh while their son's body is still hot is irrelevant, although highly questionable.
>>324256786 Endless games like city builders and dorf fort may not have explicit win conditions (though I'd maybe argue being able to continue to play being a winning condition), but they definitely have lose conditions instead of the game just being "over" like this.
You also make choices that effect the progress of the game and steer you toward either that win or that loss. If all the content and interactivity of your game could have been handled with a few clicks through a powerpoint it isn't a game.
>>324256657 I'm willing to bet the more inflammatory trolls are alts of people with relations to the dev, or perhaps sockpuppets as part of some raid organized by some socjus hive to prop up this game and further prop up the narrative of 'spoiled white manbabies crying about _______'. You know, like how cities/corporates will bus in fake protestors claiming to represent some other group and tarnish their public image? Kind of like that.
>>324258252 >If this was a multi-million dollar title, him asking for money would be expected because you don't just eat a cost like that for the art. So at which point does the budget make it morally justifiable to sacrifice artistic integrity?
>This is a one man band making a game with theoretically infinite time and resources. kek, so a passion project made in someone's spare hours counts as "infinite time and resources" and a multi-million dollar Hollywood production doesn't?
You dumb faggots need to realize no matter what truths we speak or point out, the media is ALWAYS going to spin it against us. So just shut up and keep to yourselves, or you make things worse for everyone involved.
I don't think people also realize how mechanics behind kickstarter reflect on that shit. People don't buy 598721 computers for "development costs". Most of that money goes directly into their pockets so that they can spend it on themselves and their needs so that they don't have to juggle between their project and their job. Those people ALREADY GOT PAID for the game. By selling it for $15 and not donating shit they literally profiting on both their dead kid AND sad fuckers who invested in this game in the first place.
>>324258286 Your distinctions are arbitrary gatekeeping nonsense that require weasel words in order to not exclude a vast chunk of the games you do still want to recognise as games. Why should "game over" be separated from "win/loss conditions"? Why do you get to include implicit win/loss conditions sometimes but "game over" doesn't get to be one? Since when does choice matter? Does that exclude every linear game?
>>324258936 Hell if I know, they're just doing a job. I think what's important is the the man who concieved and directed the movie refused to be paid.
If there had been a full team of developers on this game would you really want none of them to be payed or just the asshole whose idea it was to create the game based on his dead kid and accepts money for it?
Does anyone think that cancer is humanity's expiration date? That maybe some advanced aliens created us with a failsafe mechanism to make sure we wouldn't develop more than what their experiment contemplated? Not saying it's true, but it would make a good story
>>324257857 Because treating it with meds that cost thousands of dollars for a months supply for the rest of the patients lifetime is far more profitable than curing it.
>big ticket items >captive consumers (you need the meds to survive)
What's not to love? It's a guranteed cash cow, and with the rates of cancer its going to stay profitable. This is how Big Pharma has operated for ages. Treatment > cure, unless you can gouge the fuck out of them for a cure. And even then there will always be something every person needs meds for at some point, and thats $$$ in the bag.
>>324258354 I should point out I'm not the anon you were originally hashing this out with. The question is whether something is made primarily for profit, or for some other reason (artistic, cultural importance etc.). So yes, all those films cost something to someone, and none of them are "free". Working out which are driven by profit, which are not, might be impossible; Spielberg likely had more or less good intentions, I'd be more inclined to question the motives of the studios backing him. Nevertheless I feel you can look at Shoah, and what it took to make, and look at Schindler's List, and find the latter wanting. Anon's "it should be free" argument doesn't hold, but in your movie example and the game the cost of the product raises fair questions about intent and purpose in both cases. Giving some of the money to charity would, perhaps artificially, allay some of that suspicion.
tl;dr it's a question of intent, both this game and your movie example seem dubious to many, making commercial products out of drawing on the tragic and personal nature of their respective content worsens that.
>>324259191 Dubs usually speak truth but not this time. Anne Frank was a lusty play thing that pretty much stayed alive servicing every danger that came(!) her way. The "kike"iest thing she ever did was hide money in her asshole for a friend and ended up keeping it for herself (which she then exchanged the money and several sessions of unprotected sex for shelter in a shady barber shop).
Cancer happens when your normal cells multiply but read the DNA a little bit wrong and mutates. Then it mutates out of control and takes up more and more of your body's resources to maintain until it kills you.
Because it's still part of your body, your immune system isn't dumb enough to kill a part of yourself. Cancer so far is only cured by literally poisoning and killing the deviant cells while at the same time killing off your normal body cells.
There is no way to individually target a cancer cell specifically and there is no way to cure cancer until we can figure out how to tell our bodies not to mutate differently when our cells do their normal cell division. Once we can figure that out and stop it, we've essentially created immortality because cancer is the only thing that stops human beings from living so long.
>>324259689 >Because it's still part of your body, your immune system isn't dumb enough to kill a part of yourself. IIRC, the immune system kills daily your own mutated cells, however cancer cells don't trigger that alarm
>>324259059 In these games you are under absolutely no threat of not finishing them, that's hardly a "win" because you only have to perform an incredibly small amount of interaction to do so. There's a reason you "finish" a book instead of "winning" it when you reach the end, the same applies to these things being pumped out. Choice isn't limited to branching storylines and shit, but it extends to all the actions you can decide to make, even in a linear corridor shooter you're choosing which enemies to shoot, what cover to take, what weapons to use, you're actually doing shit besides holding forward or clicking next.
These things are not games., not in the slightest.
>>324259887 Okay, lick my boot, faggot. You should consider it an honour, since you haven't developed any games.
Seriously though do you realise how fucking retarded it is to tie treating someone with basic decency to their success as game developers? You can think their game is shit but that doesn't mean they're subhumans who don't deserve to be pissed on if they're on fire.
>>324260080 People have tried that. The only problem is that they arent looking for debate, if you're not with them you are against them and everything you say is wrong, even if it's factual, even if you have evidence, studies, etc. to back it up. They will simply dismiss your arguments and start shitting in your mouth and using your words against you because in their eyes you are a pissbaby cishet manchild with white privilege and etc. etc. etc.
It's been tried and it has failed every time. They dont care what you think, your world is being dismantled no matter how you object.
>>324259952 >In these games you are under absolutely no threat of not finishing them, that's hardly a "win" because you only have to perform an incredibly small amount of interaction to do so. The smallest amount is still more than none. You're interacting with the game world. You're making things happen. This is different from a book because with a book you're only interacting with the medium, not the content.
>Choice isn't limited to branching storylines and shit, but it extends to all the actions you can decide to make, even in a linear corridor shooter you're choosing which enemies to shoot, what cover to take, what weapons to use, you're actually doing shit besides holding forward or clicking next. Okay, so at least Gone Home is a game, right?
>>324258763 >>324259297 >>324259553 Just to add, it's studio funding versus Ouya and Kickstarter funding models. Universal made Spielberg direct Jurassic Park because they wanted a definite hit in order to go ahead with a film that was much more of a risk. Spielberg comes off very well in regards to his involvement actually.
Studio just wanted to make money, Spielberg just wanted to make Schindler's List. Perhaps the same is true of Ryan and Amy Green and Numinous Games, perhaps not. I think it's fair to question it.
>>324259518 >So making a movie or writing a book or a sing about personal trauma is fine but the line is drawn at a game? Where the fuck did anyone imply that? And yes, they were trying to cash in on their sick kid with the book way before the game was released and yes it is pretty fucking disgusting too.
>>324260721 Shitposting aside, I don't understand why people give them so much shit for not being a research. Checking yourself early is the best way of dealing with this shit and it will stay like that for years. My only complaint is that faggots keep donating and messaging about research despite the fact that announcers say what exactly the foundation does between every fucking game.
>Kid passes away >Instead of remembering him and moving on, make a video game to remind yourself of what happened >Sell your kid's sad story
If the kid somehow didn't die and was getting all this money put into a savings bond for their college tuition in the future, it wouldn't be so bad. The dude is making money off of his kid's death though, and that's absolutely fucked up. How is there any discussion about that game other than "The dev should feel bad for what he did"?
>>324259943 I'm pretty sure your body kills cancer cells all the time, its just that if your immune system is weak or you've been exposed to a fuck ton of carcinogens that your body can't keep up with the cancer and it begins to grow and spread throughout your body. Some types cancer however aren't readily recognized by the body.
>hurr durr exploitation Jesus Christ people have been making books, songs and movies about personal or witnessed trauma for ages. You might as well say any sort of unauthorized biographical media is "exploitative."
>>324260607 >The smallest amount is still more than none. You're interacting with the game world. You're making things happen. This is different from a book because with a book you're only interacting with the medium, not the content.
Sorry, a minimal amount of interaction is not sufficient, especially if it does not present a challenge to your completing the game. Would walking from one end of a field to the other with no obstacles, no ball, no opponents or anything be a sport? No it wouldn't, you don't do anything other than slowly advance down their path to the finish, there's no win or lose, there's no overcoming or beating anything, there's just finishing.
>Okay, so at least Gone Home is a game, right?
Gone Home is as much a game as navigating powerpoint slides covered in boring text. That is to say, it isn't and it is one of the worst offender.
>>324261493 It's not really like /v/ to give a shit about "exploitation" anyway.
I'm sure the real issue is that it's an indie game with little gameplay and everything else is an excuse. Until the excuse becomes the reason, because people think it sounds nice but they're not actually smart enough to think about it themselves.
I probably wouldn't have even heard about this game without the manufactured controversy around it. Sorry for his loss but any time you monetize death, in any creative medium, you get the same responses.
The industry is moving more and more towards death every day some indie hack that made a "story-driven" game relying on emotional crutches rather than thoughtful writing, which inevitably flops, decides that the reason for the failure is trolls/capitalism/the state of the industry, et al.
>>324261782 >wouldn't have even heard about this game without the manufactured controversy around it. That was planned Wouldn't be surprised if the indie clique is behind this sending death threads and vitriol to the guy to increase awareness and push their "muh vignette indie experiences" shit.
>>324261493 How many of those were funded by guilttripping people into it? All while having videos and photos of dead kids slapped all over it. AND turning into christian propaganda despite telling absolutely nothing about that at the funding stage.
Why are you immediately assuming that everyone here would be ok with this kid of shit if it came from other type of media? Because people don't shit on shitty books on a video game board?
>>324261761 Why doesn't /v/ ever criticize a game for actual reasons then? People here always latch on to a meme reason (in this case exploitation) that they don't even care about instead of complaining about the things which they actually don't like. This board is so facetious with arguments, you never know if people here actually care or are just trying to sink something they don't like.
>>324252757 Humanity is the propagation of an economic system which has fed every nation that's adopted it, allowing untold millions if not billions of people to come into existence that otherwise wouldn't have been able to.
>>324261758 Funny, this is the first time I've ever heard that profiting on personal experience being unacceptable. Does this only apply to extremely negative things like the death of your child or does it extend to all forms of personal experiences? What about making a book or a game about your experiences in a war? What about a trip to the beach? Technically even your education is just personal experience that you have experienced in a learning environment. Is it unacceptable to profit on those too?
Or could it be that everyone shitting on the game are just latching on to the first negative thing their mental gymnastics have managed to single out to try and justify their hatred of the game since there doesn't seem to actually be any concrete reason.
>>324258269 >cures for hundreds of diseases found and made available for general public in last 100 years >doctor's can't cure LITERALLY everything >therefore everything they can't cure is LE JEW SITTING ON A VACCINE despite the fact that the richest and jewest of all still get that desease and die from it >somehow a cure for something that kills, like, 20% of people in modern society is NOT going to make people who came up with it a billionaire
>>324262251 >Why doesn't /v/ ever criticize a game for actual reasons then? Well, it's harder to get people to care about the actual reasons, but if you can disguise your personal preference as somehow morally justified you can get a whole bunch of gullible idiots bashing a game along with you. That's why they're the meme reasons. They spread much more easily.
I like how instead of arguing whether something is good or bad, we argue whether something is even X. It's not enough to criticize something, people aren't satisfied until they prove it's "not X." >This isn't even art! >This isn't a even a game!
>>324258523 So the cure for cancer is a strong immune system which catches these mutants early, before they spread. Thus the cure for cancer is to reduce stress, which negatively impacts the immune system, as when stressed your body turns off some of its non-urgent services to concentrate on solving the issue at hand. 1+1=420 legalize it.
>>324262936 Wrong. Cancer isn't a foreign cell or virus that your immune system can detect and destroy. Cancer is a cell mutation gone wrong and allowed to multiply at an alarming rate and since it is your own cell, your immune system won't catch it since it is your own body cell.
>>324263184 Then the cell mutates enough to be dangerous, its also different enough for your immune system to not recognize it as one of its own. The immune system does in fact fight cancer, it just has to be working well, which is why sick and old people tend to get cancer more often, as well as stressed ones.
I don't even know why they choose games as their medium.
The devs hate the fact that their work is a game (or rather that it has to have gameplay) lots of critics see the gameplay as a obstacle for the game to unfold. lots of fans hate the game for being a game.
even worse, everyone talks about "moving gaming forward as a medium" when it comes to these walking simulators while it's actually the exact opposite. They try to get rid of the most crucial thing of gaming, the interactivity- the gameplay. to move games forward you have to enhance that stuff, not get rid of it.
you don't move film forward as medium by just displaying words on a screen to make it feel more "booky"
>>324263401 At that stage the cancer is already beyond the point of being able to be stopped by your immune system.
>The immune system does in fact fight cancer, it just has to be working well, which is why sick and old people tend to get cancer more often, as well as stressed ones. Young people also happen to react well to chemo which shits on your immune system which is why you need a good immune system in the first place.
A good immune system helps against cancer but it won't stop cancer. Which is why you hear of perfectly healthy adults dying from cancer and people who drink/smoke/do coke live till they are 80.
>>324263364 Gamejournopros existed, numerous incidents of undisclosed relationships between reviewer and dev existed, indie devs being harassed for taking a side against social justice, the entire judges panel at the indie game awards or whatever it was called it escapes me at the moment
There is a racket there whether you believe it or not
But you've made up your mind already so this is your last (You) from me
>>324263783 >even worse, everyone talks about "moving gaming forward as a medium" when it comes to these walking simulators while it's actually the exact opposite. They try to get rid of the most crucial thing of gaming, the interactivity- the gameplay. >to move games forward you have to enhance that stuff, not get rid of it. Ever heard of minimalism?
>>324263783 You can see it even in big budget titles, The Order would have made a quality movie, but instead they made it as a sub-par game, hopping on the current bandwagon, and inevitably falling right back off.
The sad truth is, as it was with most indie versions of these failures, the majority of the people working on these games from a management perspective, and also the people coming up with the rough outlines of the game... Are film school rejects, or people who hollywood saw no use for after actually managing to graduate with a degree.
It happens more and more often. More than anything else though, the issues with these people and the writers they surround themselves with is a lack of actual experience in writing, film, etc. This is why all of the games come out, at best, as entry level storytelling. At the very least The Order devs tried to make the game look good, and actually made a game, but it's still symptomatic of the same laziness and misplaced time. I guess it's a bit harder to get into film now that everything is a remake, but really, videogames have been the same way for much longer. It's self-destructive to even think this would be a better option.
I guess minimalistic films should just put up a book on screen and let the viewers read it for two and a half hours. Because it's still totally a film that embraces the medium, just how a game that has player interaction on par with a youtube video is still totally a videogame, right?
>>324263806 This is cool and all, but cancer research is moving into the reals of immunotherapy, fighting the cancer spread and growth by giving people a roided up immune system for a while, and hoping they dont auto-immune themselves to death.
>>324264051 Gamejournopros existed and meant nothing, numerous incidents of undisclosed relationships were fabricated or blown out of proportion, indie devs were "harassed" (I'm sure you'd object to the terminology if it were applied to victims on the other side of the fence) for openly supporting a hate movement, and some conspiracy theory I also only vaguely remember but which I believe overlooked the fact that the prize in question was voted on by the public.
All this shit has ever been is a massive conspiracy theory pushed by gullible retards, cynical manipulators with agendas, and failed devs with chips on their shoulders. They convinced themselves confirmation bias was scepticism pretty early on.
srsly, fuck gaming journalism. I'm not even mad anymore I'm just speechless how it's allowed that people like in OPs pic can earn money with this dishonest bs. there's literally no other journalism with standards THAT low, not even celebrity gossip
>>324265349 >Joel schreit vor Schmerz, er schlägt seinen Kopf gegen die Gitter der Krippe. >Es sind seine echten Schreie, die sein Vater aufgenommen hat. -Gamestar.de dont have an english source, fuck you
>>324252757 Honestly I was against this game at first. Went and had a look at some gameplay, touched as fuck, I want to play it now. What it makes me think is that the parents wanted to share the experience with other people, like they were so blessed to have that kid for as long as they did that they want to show the whole world, not all this shit about cancer and exploitation. I will agree the game should be free, or at the most, like 5 dollars.
>>324257694 >watch all your friends die horribly in the jungles of Nam >come home to a country that hates you for participating in a war you had no choice in to begin with because you were drafted >live the rest of your life in the gutter because the department of veteran's affairs is the most incompetent bureaucracy in existence
>kids who live with their parents until they're 30 having all of their needs taken care of for them unironically claim they had a harder life
>>324255835 You could make a game that actually required emotional skill, you'd just have to create situations in which you have to divine a suitably obfuscated situation and reply with the appropriate emotional response.
This game doesn't do that, it doesn't even come close. The last time I can think of someone actually trying to actually make you use your social talents to do well in a game was L.A Noir, which notoriously failed and basically you should ignore everyone's terrible facial animations and just stick to basic gameplay techniques of basic logic, wild guessing, and reading a FAQ.
This game is press X to care. That's emotional casual games. Real SJWs should be shitting all over the emotibabbys ruining the emotional scene with their "how do I make gaymus care?" miiverse posts and "I'm such a well-centred and adjusted individual, yes I've only played subway sociologists on my iphone but I somehow deserve to have my opinions heard on why deep-trauamatic-survivor-guilt 4: Modern Ennui doesn't contain enough solipsism!
Fucking Queer Time Events. This industry has gone to shit since that and things like fucking pronountransactions in every goddamn game. Why do I have to pay to use "he" to refer to my character? I hate that the default is always Thon.
>>324255856 >this is the difference between the old generation and new generation >old generation see it as profitting of their child's death Are you seriously saying people have never made commercial books or movies about the death of a loved one?
/v/ still sees games as simple toys and not a form of expression. Which isn't surprising at all considering most of you are turd race morons who feel inherently superior to others for extremely trivial reasons.
>>324261919 >>324262243 >Wouldn't be surprised if the indie clique is behind this sending death threads and vitriol to the guy to increase awareness and push their "muh vignette indie experiences" shit a certain indie dev actually did something like this (and this was before gamergate). http://imgur.com/a/4VOcx
>>324262420 >If you play it and it's on a video screen. It's a video game
so if i hook up a vcr to my tv, throw in a show, and play the tape, it's a game now?
holy shit i never knew anon
what about if i take a book in digital format and start to read it on my video screen? i'm playing that book now as if it were a game. that book is now a game. you heard it here first folks, books and films are games now too
jesus fucking christ i want san francisco to leave
>>324255835 >>324266231 I think Planescape Torment actually does this proper, you have to pay actual attention to people's motivations in order to choose correct responses, but who knows, I reserve my judgment on this cancer game, might b good
>>324255856 >>324257694 Nah, people are just in disagreement, and this has nothing to do with age or generations.
I think getting profit over pity money you get from talking about your child's death to strangers isn't cool. This person ain't in need of exteriorizing a trauma trough art, people in that situation don't act like that. It seems like they just saw the child's death as an opportunity, and that's what seems unsightly for some of us.
>>324269945 Oh yeah, I suppose you could use emotional skills in games like planescape, though I think people are usually flexing basic gaming instinct muscles or reading skills over emotional ones. Still, I definitely concede that it's a good example where you CAN use emotional skills in a gameplay environment.
>>324269008 >Games sell because they're fun The fuck does that have to do with anything? Yes toys also sell better than actual serious sculptures, but in no way does that take away from the value of sculptures, artistic or otherwise. Literally proving my point that you people are children with toys and can't think beyond that.
>>324260080 >>324260491 >>324260750 >massively overshadowed Exactly. Anybody with genuine good intentions is completely drowned out by the horde of screaming teenagers demanding blood, that goes for both sides here, it's just impossible to have a rational discussion about any of this online, and anything that does come up in the news is spun by these media vultures like Breitbart and Kotaku as divide and conquer tactics. To everybody who gets genuinely mad about this shit, just stop. By getting mad, incensed, becoming a part of this "discourse", all you're doing is being used as a pawn in somebody's revenue-generating mob. It's honestly somewhat disgusting how social media cultivates the news specifically to turn people against each other in an inflammatory fashion, people who might even agree if they weren't spun against each other by media. Every couple of months Kotaku will come out with some new hot topic to try and provoke us, we eat it up and generate articles and revenue for them. It's ridiculous because we hardly talk about anything else anymore. Look up horseshoe theory.
>>324269342 If you look critically at that album you'll realise it makes a bunch of unprovable assertions and cherrypicks examples. It's a very biased report from one of the involved parties that's meant to incite you against the other one.
Coincidentally, I'm sure the pent-up resentment people already had towards her in chan circles contributed in no way to their eagerness to demonise her later. And, of course, when people who didn't share your history with her wondered what the big deal was, it could only be evidence of a cover-up.
>We're not showing you any evidence of harassment so clearly it didn't happen
You can also see them laying the groundwork of gamergate's defence strategy here.
>Yeah, you're being harassed, but what about us? If you're saying there's harassment coming from this place, it's like you're condemning all of us for the actions of a few, and that's unfair! But I will defend the actions of those few because they are with us! Also they didn't do it! We're all good people here! And it wasn't even real harassment anyway! And she probably faked it! So now that we know she definitely faked it, who's the real victim here?
>Ryan ist alleine im Krankenhaus. Joel ist nicht zu sehen, aber Jenn hört ihn. Joel schreit vor Schmerz, er schlägt seinen Kopf gegen die Gitter der Krippe. >Es sind seine echten Schreie, die sein Vater aufgenommen hat.
"Ryan is alone in the hospital. Joel is nowhere to see but Jenn (the one who was playing) is hearing him. Joel screams in pain, he smashes his head against the bars of the crib. Those are real screams that the father recorded."
For cancer to really develop though it requires specific mutations depending on what type of cell it is. Two common names are the p53 tumor suppressor gene and ras oncogene. The key is altering the genes that would normally mark the cell as needing to be killed among others. Mutations can occur just from the replication process, even though it is very accurate and has ways to fix errors, that's where carcinogens and other DNA damaging factors come into play.
>>324266710 One day, /v/ will realise that journalism has been about making incendiary, "technically true" headlines for decades.
And on that day it will be glorious because I'll stop seeing shit like "X done" because they'll realise that it's 90% bullshit.
I'll even example one I see every now and then. That "4 muslim women beat white girl, get suspended sentence after judge hears they're not used to alcohol because they're muslim"
That story is so doctored up it's unreal. It misses the fact that it had zero impact on the judge's decision, he just had heard those words spoken, which makes the headline technically true. And second, it misses the bit where the "victim" and her boyfriend had been involved in an altercation with those girls, and it was recorded that she had been shouting racial abuse at them, but the newspaper strategically edited the video they put on their website to cut the start (aka. that bit) out.So everything they said and showed was technically true, except that in terms of intent, nothing was true.
>>324274184 Seriously, I'm surprised that there isn't any controversy about this shit. If CoD would use real screams of tortured or shot people for their games there would be protests up the ass but this somehow gets a free pass due to "muh progressive art game".
>>324277039 The core difference is that CoD is basically an "apolitical as possible, while being incredibly politically charged" game that effectively glorifies war, as long as the "good guys" (America) win.
This was closer to an art piece that wanted you to feel uncomfortable, and it wanted to make you feel some kind of pain. You can think it's tasteless if you want, that's a perfectly fine opinion to have, but there's a precedent for using uncomfortable reality in art.
>>324256592 Spielberg: “It is blood money. Let’s call it what it is. I didn't take a single dollar from the profits I received from ‘Schindler's List’ because I did consider it blood money. When I first decided to make ‘Schindler's List" I said, if this movie makes any profit, it can't go to me or my family, it has to go out into the world and that's what we try to do here at the Shoah Foundation. We try to teach the facts of the past to prevent another Holocaust in the future.”
>>324255856 >new generation see it as a memorial of their child, a glorification of his journey
.. that you can experience if you pay yes, pay to play a personal memorial to a kid who ain't yours, who you never knew, whose experience wasn't all that different from that of other people with cancer
>>324252757 So bullshit my old teacher is friends with the developer and he told me all about this shit years ago. I told him exactly this. "Your friend is making a video game that has no business being given that label. Games are interactive entertainment and if he wants to tell his story let him go on a talk show"
cancer has been cured for years, the medical industry just discovered it's immensely more profitable to keep scamming suckers for >muh cure charity drives and gouging people for thousands and thousands of dollars to get pumped full of literal poison
I wish these tin foil hat fucks with their hate boners for modern medicine would do, like, five minutes of research. They always accuse the most niche ass segments of the industry of being evil profit motive machines. They think they've uncovered the super duper secret behind vaccines and specialty drugs, but somehow are completely ignorant of the money behind antidepressants and pharmaceutical reps. Blows my fucking mind.
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