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>boss fight
>it's difficult
>not because the enemy hits hard
>but because it has a shitty unskippable mini-game or segment that instantly kills you if you lose
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>boss fight
>boss has more health bars than you can see
>not sure if you're even hurting him

Fucking Sephiroth.
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dance water dance? or the section in the marluxia fight where hes chasing you with the scythe?
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>>324252603
Zexion.

He's easy as shit but you're forced to do the meteor segment.
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>>324252395
Described the final segment of the Young Xehanort fight in DDD
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>Have guard button in game
>Press square
>Blocks .5 second later
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>>324252603
speaking of which did they tone down DANCE WATER DANCE in FM? I am in Critical Mode but never had the problem I had anymore in his HB boss fight.
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>>324252772
I think it's just that you've gotten better at the game. I still die to his data fight every once in a while but I don't find him that difficult.
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>>324252772
It's a bit more intense but i hear spamming fire in sidom form helps
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>>324252395
KH2 had way too many these.
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>>324252871
never even had to drive, just had to triangle a lot

>>324252826
I do remember the water soldiers being less numerous now but maybe it's my memory being fuzzy
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>>324252395
the game is not for kids
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>boss fight requires you to kill the bosses' legs
>each leg has a healthbar
>you then have to sit there whacking at a defenseless, paralyzed giant torso/head for 10 minutes to "kill it"
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>>324252395
Did the PS3 releases make these skippable?
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>>324253256
Yes, actually.
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>>324252695
I just go into limit form and start using sonic blade if I got the wrong spot.
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>>324253707
it makes you invincible?
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>>324253829
For the most part, there are some attacks that will knock you out of it though.
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>>324253829
There's like one TINY spot where you're vulnerable, I think it's in between each rave, but for the most part yeah. That's how I beat lingering will.
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>>324253856
I was forced to shortcut Reflect, never liked using it though.
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>>324252756
WHY DOES NOMURA DO IT?
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>>324253918
Don't let the lvl 1 fags get to you. They can bitch about reflect all they want, but when the enemies fill the entire stage with instant death, it's justified.
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Does FM make proud mode harder in KH1, it seems harder.
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>>324254083
What? Most people love reflect, especially people playing on level 1.
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>>324254815
Yeah they ramped the difficulty up a bit
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>>324252756
>completely invincible on successful block
>can chain blocks into each other

It's pretty fair for an OP defensive option.
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I've been playing bbs, just beat terras story and started aquas. It seems like her campaign is quite a bit harder, is that because it's my second play through or is hers just naturally have a harder start?
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>>324255715
I think it comes down to how they're designed to play. Terra specializes in hitting like a truck while Aqua is more magic based. Ven is fast but does little damage in the beginning.
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>>324255715
I'd have recommended doing Ventus after Terra since you spoil bits and pieces of the story, also Aqua does significantly less damage than Terra and her main gimmick is how strong she is in magic.
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>>324255893
Well I'm literally not even out of the Cinderella world so I might just restart if ventus is better to do first story wise.
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>>324255986
It's up to you, Ventus is more annoying to play as out of the three at the beginning by the way, he does no damage and has to rely on shotlocks.
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>>324255986
The Nomura recommended order is Terra - Ventus - Aqua. But you kind of don't have to go that way. Most people end up doing Aqua last anyway because if you're playing FM she had more content than the other two and it kind of makes more sense to go at the end but like I said it's ultimately your choice.
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>>324252395
>playing MGS2 on hard or higher difficulty
>having a decent time until Solidus starts choking you to death
What the fuck is this button mashing bullshit?
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>>324256205
>shot locks
Whelp, I'm playing on a phone emulator and shot locks are the one thing it's really hard to do
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Why are there annoying minigames in a boss fight in KH2?
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>dying if you lose a boss fight is bad
holy shit why am I not surprised this was posted by a faggot with a kingdom hears image

end yourself
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>>324252695
Zexion is the EASIEST Org fight in the game. You must suck
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>>324252395
DANCE WATER DANCE
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>>324257609
I know, it's the meteor part that took me by surprise because it's mandatory.

My point is you got this annoying segments on an otherwise easy fight.
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>>324258095
easy as shit

xaldin is a bitch tho
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>boss asks why, but in his mind he finds that he can't rely on himself
>boss can't hold on to what he wants when he's stretched so thin
>boss can't hold on to end things watching everything spin with thoughts of failure sinking in
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>actually having trouble with a childish disney game?

Holy shit git gud faggots
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>>324252395
Goddamn, that fucking release bullshit in xemnas' kh1 fight. I think it gave me PTSD.
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>>324257609
Zexion is easy, but Lexaeus and Marluxia are easier.
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>>324258095
That one was actually done relatively well I think. I was always stressed during the fight that I wasn't going to do it in time, but I just barely stayed caught up.
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Why is KH2 literally TRIANGLE the game
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>>324260373
Good thing they rebalanced reaction commands in Final Mix.
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I WANT YOU

TO KEEP THE BEAT
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Why does Kingdom Hearts look so fucking stupid?

>generic teen with an edgelord design groups up with a bunch of disney characters to achieve a goal
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>>324260564
It's even better that 3 won't have reaction commands. So maybe that will finally die.
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GET UP ON THE HYDRA'S BACK
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>>324260652
K.
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I was enjoying Kingdom Hearts until I ran into time trial shit at the Hercules world, fucking Sora keeps overstepping ledges when attacking making me waste precious time jumping back up and being one second too late for the 20th attempt.
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>>324260652
I think it's cute and nostalgic desu. I think this also causes them to be the favourite games of females. Which is good for my penis.

Also the combat and rpg elements are fun as fuck.
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How the fuck do beat beat Data Roxas? At first it was a simple block/roll and punish. but once he starts spamming light pillars he super armors through almost everything.
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>>324254985
>Most people love reflect
From what I've seen this isn't really true, most people look down on using reflect because it makes things way too easy.
What those playing on lvl 1 love is limits.
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>>324260373
why does everyone hate KH2's reaction commands?
all it did was add varety to the game

sometimes you pressed the cross button
sometimes you pressed the square button
sometimes you pressed the circle button
but you get a prompt to press triangle and all of a sudden it's shit, I don't understand

would you have preferred no prompt rather just pressing triangle next to a certain enemy just on the fly?
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>>324262334
Because it was often used in lieu of a real battle design, it was made even worse in fights where there were moments where you HAD to use reaction commands. Makes it not feel like a fight and more like you're just following the script.
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>>324252395
This bullshit from Castlevania:DoS
Death's was the worst
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>>324252395
>the minigame is a bullet hell with vocaloid songs
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>>324252395
KH2FM > KH3D > Re:Com = KHFM = Re:Coded > BBSFM >>>>>> 358/2
Prove me wrong.
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>>324262709
most of them were rather quick so it didn't feel that scripted, not including the final boss reaction commands with the lasers

to me they just seemed as another way of attacking even if some of them are forced

it also feels good to beat a boss with the last hit of a limit or with a reaction command to make it feel more epic, and most of the time you can choose to not use the reactions anyways

despite all that, I can understand why some don't like the flow of battle changing from normal combat to doing a unique reaction command which is the exact thing needed to win a fight
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>>324260373
Except it isn't
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>>324263387
>it also feels good to beat a boss with the last hit of a limit or with a reaction command to make it feel more epic
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>>324263208
I find the placement of DDD weird, why do you like it so much?
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>>324263612
I guess it's just a personal preference of mine
maybe it isn't that great after all
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>>324263612
Not with a RC but I agree that finishing a boss with a limit finisher looks pretty cool.
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>>324252603
Both.
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>>324263679
Its high up because other than re:coded, it did the command deck system right.
Even with everything having super armor and nothing gets staggered.
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>>324252395
undertale?
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>>324263387
>it also feels good to beat a boss with the last hit of a limit or with a reaction command to make it feel more epic
Play Asura's Warth
Bosses don't have health bars, you charge your limit break, and when it's full it's "press R2 to awesome"
It's as beautiful as it sounds
these guys are remaking ff7 and the charge mechanic shown in the gameplay footage is exactly this
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Is there a skill in KH games where you get super armor, i.e. you don't get staggered?
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>>324263082
>it's a community project for a platformer
>there are multiple Touhou-themed levels
>they all have bullet hell segments that are horrendously made
>it's always EoSD-themed
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>>324264732
Be a boss in the handheld command deck games.
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>>324264732
A few of the keychains in re:coded have an ability that gives you super armor when you attack.
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>>324264826
Hey, how ya doin'?
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>>324265038
Well no, he doesn't have super armor.
He does actually get staggered. However, doing physical attacks cause him to rewind time after two or three hits. Adding other reason as to why physical attacks are useless in BBS.
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>>324265038
Whoever designed this boss didn't understand the appeal of the other KH superbosses

Having to mash evade is not fun gameplay.
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>>324263612
>>324264595
honestly, I don't see what's wrong with fighting a boss normally and then finishing them off in a cool way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0INlq2EbM
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>>324265203
I thought his staggering was a change between the vanilla version to the FM? I forgot which way it allegedly when.
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>>324265379
Was it? I've never played BBS ENG with him.
But in BBSFM he does get staggered but still rewinds time, making it useless.
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>>324265245
You could say that about any of the BBS bosses, really. Vanitas just decides when you attack doesn't hit with no rhyme or reason. I pray that KH3 has what made KH2's combat so great and Vanitas is one of the 13 darknesses so that we can get an actual good fight out of him.
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>>324265558
I didn't think Vanitas's main story boss fights were that bad

His counter was fair, his firaga was fair, the only bs thing was how he could one shot you with the lightning spell.

Fuck the Lingering Sentiment Vanitas though.
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>>324265514
It was either that or change between BbS FM on the PSP and BbS FM 2.5. I don't know how accurate it is.
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>boss has multiple stages
>have to wait for boss to cycle through his attacks to hit him
>oops you fucked up in the third stage time to do it all again

Fucking Tropical Freeze
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>>324265514
I played BBS psp emulated. He staggers IIRC but if you hit him with too many physical attacks he rewinds.

However if you use thunder/fire surge he staggers fully and doesn't rewind time or break out

It's fucking stupid, that's practically the only """""fair""""" way to fight him.
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>>324265849
How is his counter fair? He just uses it whenever he feels like it. The rest of his fight's fine, I guess, but his counter has no reason for behaving like it does.
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>>324266207
I just mean it's fair because you can always dodge on reaction. I know there is no rhyme or reason to when he activates it unlike the KH2 boss revenge values.
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>>324265849
No, his fights are bad. But it wasn't that his attacks are hard to avoid, or broken or anything involving his attacks at all really, even his lightning. But his counter wasn't.
A boss shouldn't be able to break out randomly during hitstun, thats why its bad.
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>>324266851
All of the BBS bosses randomly break out during hitstun.
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>>324267219
>>324266851
KH2 also does that

Though mostly because HAHAHAH TIME FOR MINIGAME
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>>324267557
I think your using the word mini-game wrong. I don't think any of the bosses really turn into mini-games, they just have reaction commands you have to use, which isn't the same thing.
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>>324267557
No they don't. If you actually knew how the mechanics worked, you'd know that in KH2 you can 100% reliably tell when a boss is going to break out of your combos if you're paying attention.
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>>324267557
>KH2 also does that
No it doesn't. There's nothing random about it in KH2. It's based on a formula.
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>>324267754
>>324267740
I was focusing mostly on "hitstun break", didn't really read on "random". Obviously they rely on health percentage.

It's kinda annoying though. I wish more games have the "boss haven't got time to "upgrade" or use some tech because you stun-locked them".
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>>324267908
You can do that with some bosses in KH2: most notably Sai'x who will never be able to enter his berserk state if you use Peter Pan and spam Horizontal Slash on him.
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>>324267557
No? Theres a hidden counter called Revenge value.
I'm sorry you sat there and mashed through fights.
>>324267908
And again, you are wrong. Its based on how many hits and finishers you do on a boss. Now damage on HP.
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>>324268230
That guy is retarded, but he's also not completely wrong: some bosses also break out of your combos at specific HP thresholds regardless of their revenge value. That said, that guy obviously doesn't have a very good understanding of the mechanics either way so this is more of a clarification than a defense of him.
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>>324268127
I believe you can skip the desperation attacks of all Org XIII members.
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>>324268230
>>324268524
I'd argue most of those would only matter in Critical Mode anyway, and even then it's more of manipulating hidden numbers, which I'd argue is even a bit too much. Reminds me of the exploit in 4D Mode of SO3.

>>324268127
Saix is relatively easy though even without stunlocking him. He's one of those few bosses who you can power through.
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>>324268826
You can't skip Data Demyx's final DANCE, WATER, DANCE, but I think you can skip everyone else's.
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>>324268858
>hidden numbers
You can literally see on the boss's health bare where they take reduced damage from finishers and know when they're going to jump/teleport/retaliate out of the combo.
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>>324269038
I was talking about Revenge value.
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>>324269038
>>324269119
ah nevermind, I thought you meant Revenge itself, not its effect
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So the general idea is to count your hits, anticipate a revenge attack, then Guard/Parry, then repeat?
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>>324269585
That's correct, so you aren't caught pressing a button and take massive damage. It's mostly useful on critical mode since other modes aren't as punishing.
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I always thought some revenge attacks are "cinematic" triggered like Demyx's... I think Luxord is like that?
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>>324269585
Not for Roxas
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>>324254815
I thought so, but I thought it was just because I dropped the sword and picked up the staff, because I thought I would be a minmaxing faggot but never got that deep into the endgame stuff on that run.
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>>324270014
You can lock Roxas in a loop that essentially skips his revenge value and his desperation move using Limit form.
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What the hell is with the god awful heartless recolors in KHFM?
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>>324270664
Fuck really?
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>>324270781
They lost the original code for KH1 apparently.
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>>324271097
That's not as bad as them loosing pretty much all of the KH1 assets when it came time to do 1.5 remix.
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>inb4 something in KH3 is broken as fuck
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>Gameplay
KH2FM > 3DDD > BBSFM > RE:COM > KHFM > RE:Coded > 358/2

>Story
KHFM > 358/2 > BBSFM > RE:COM > KH2FM > RE:Coded >>>>>>>>>> 3DDD

Not fact, just my opinions.
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>>324272129
Why do you find re:coded to be the second lowest in gameplay when it's the one game that used the command deck that wasn't horribly broken (and when you can pull off combos like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4USW_VzLD8&feature=youtu.be&t=758)? If it's all the minigames, I can understand that.
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Is this a top shelf sixth gen rpg or is it just a good game with a neat concept? Is it a weeb game? Does it compare in quality with other "different" rpg games such as Kotor and Ttyd?
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