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ITT: shitty party members

I'll start with this overrated trash
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>>324251491
ITT: shitty thread makers

I'll start with OP the Faggot
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>>324251491
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>>324251491
His theme is probably the best of any game character...ever
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>>324251491
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>>324253794
>he has a random chance to eat your hp recovery items
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>324251491
Frog + Marle in your party made everything a cakewalk tho, the full heal + status cure dual tech for everyone was pretty op
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Here we go
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At least Isabela was hot.
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>>324254285
>choosing healing over big damage and megaelixers
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>Marle specializes in healing
>Only has single heals
>Frog and Robo both have full party heals on their own
>Lucca only deals damage and nothing else
>Every other character has better utility and can deal damage just as well (except Marle)
It feels like the creators forgot about balancing the base party to fit in with the new members.
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don't see what others see in this piece of shit
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I love Frog but I have to agree. At least Marle has Haste, what does Frog have? He's literally a weaker Robo with worse healing and attack magic to boot.
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>>324253794
>>324253794
Ouch. Seems like you didn't give him all your bombs / battle items and use his CRAAAZY SPEED as it was meant to, didn't you?
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>>324253794
>He doesn't give all his bombs/healing items to Boney
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>>324251491
Marle is by far the weakest character in the game

Haste is made redundant by items/omen tabs
Healing is not needed one you have the speed
She does pathetic damage
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>>324256334
>there are people who don't solo mother 4 with the dog
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>>324253794

Boney is the item user. Because of his speed he'll always be your first character to move, which makes him perfect for emergency heals, using offensive items, or removing enemy shields. Each character in Mother 3 has a role and they're all useful in their own way aside from some of the one-off characters.

Now if you'd posted Poo from Earthbound, then I would've agreed.
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>>324257798
>healing is not needed
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>>324258164
Poo is better than Paula though. PK Freeze and whatnot is redundant when Starstorm exists. That, and being able to recover most of his PP with just a single bottle of water is pretty great.
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>>324256326
Are you OP? Cause you sound like a faggot
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>>324258324
no
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>>324258309
He would be great if he was actually present in your party for once, he will inevitably fall behind in levels
also you get PK Starstorm 2 when it doesnt matter anymore since almost all enemies that are left have reflect on by default
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>>324258276
he is kinda right, if you have good items most boss fights you will end before you even need to heal.
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Frog's MT heal is better than Robo's for a long time because his magic stat is way higher. When you pump Robo's magic stat, then yeah, he heals better.

But early game, you need Frog's heals more, and if you have Ayla in your party, you're taking advantage of Slurp Kiss to heal HP as well as status effects. But yeah, by the end of the game, Robo is better than Frog.
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I never liked mallow from super mario rpg.
He's just such little shit, I don't like his backstory either.
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>>324259021

I liked how Mallow grew from a little crybaby bitch into something resembling bravery and responsibility.

Too bad he sucks shit in combat.
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>>324258594
>He would be great if he was actually present in your party for once, he will inevitably fall behind in levels
He doesn't need levels when he has Starstorm and decent HP and speed.
>also you get PK Starstorm 2 when it doesnt matter anymore since almost all enemies that are left have reflect on by default
So what if they have reflect? Neutralizer exists, you know.
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Did anyone actually level her?
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>Cool looking pirate guy joins the party
>He is just a shit tier version of Tyrell
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>not using the best team Crono Frog and Ayla/Lucca
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>>324259542
She's generally not worth babying and is a horrible choice if you're going for a perfect rank run.

But she isn't useless.
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Useless party member thread?

At least she had DELTA SHIELD.
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>>324259542

No, in a game where exp is finite, its a complete waste of time birdie feeding her kills in hopes she will become the beast she supposedly is.
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>>324256218
Beauty beyond compare
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>>324259782
>At least she had [the single most important spell in the game]
?
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>>324256218
He's more fabulous than Kratos.
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>>324259548
>cool looking pirate guy who you saw as a baby in the previous game using psynergy at 0 years old
He really should've been better
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>>324251491
Except he's the best party member.

Fuck you, OP
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>>324259782
>Fastest party member
>In a game where every spell comes in item form and heals are set numbers
>Learns AOE skills that can be used turn 1 of fights
>Delta Shield
As cool as Gilder is, he's the most useless.
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>>324259925

She became a delta shield bot and nothing else. Before she had that, she had 0 value. And honestly, I'd sub her out in a heart beat for anyone else.
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>>324260216

>speed is inconsistent
>items are better than magic
>her aoe is usually the worst thing ever/most enemies are immune to magic

Gilder has tons more survivability/damage as well as a protection of all status effects (exhaust from black looper farming)
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Did anyone use Jacob, Miranda, or Grunt, in Mass effect 2?
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>>324258629
You might as well just post pic related.
In a game where 90% of the party members are awful, this guy takes the cake for being the worst. He's so bad it almost feels like the devs put him in as a joke since he is the most difficult member to recruit
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>Hating on my man Glenn
Fuck off Magus
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Dropped him as soon as I could.
Are there any good native archers in RPGs?
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>>324251491
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>>324260547
It's not that inconsistent, Aika will move first 99% of the time.
Items being better than magic is what i meant. Her stats don't mean shit when she can through out a sacrum crystal first.
There are barely any enemies immune to magic in SoA, which doesnt even matter as Aikas skills aren't even magic.
She's a buff/heal character as most fast ones are. Curing exhaust is barely a set back
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Fuck you OP glenn / frog is the best designed character in any JRPG.
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone use her.
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>>324261256

Only if you count PQ.
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>>324261256
Stop calling me "partner" you annoying piece of shit.
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>>324260726
I used Miranda mainly to stare at her ass and Grunt as a meat shield for a while but not for the whole game.
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i don't like edgelords
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>>324261607
Serph/Gale/Argilla is the superior party.
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>>324261265

Use lamda burst or alpha storm or omega cyclone on loopers and get back to me.

Go ahead, I'll wait.
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>>324256064
>what is frog squash and Crisis arm?
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>>324260107
this, X cut and his normal attack crits are insane.
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>>324262175
I have never understood how frog squash works.

sometimes it gives huge damage, other times barely any.
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>>324251491
Wow op you are literally fucking retarded
He was one of the best characters
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>>324263136
Everyone is shit when compared to Ayla, Robo, Crono, and Lucca

Magus is also fine but only as party leader
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>>324262879
it's based on how much frog's HP is missing

Even then it's still kinda inconsistent
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>>324259302
Poo should've been given way earlier than he was. What I liked about Mother 3 is that you get all your party members pretty much right off the bat.
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>>324261369
I actually liked Nalia more than Edwin, being able to use a bow was nice
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>>324261886
Technically none of the loopers are completely magic immune.
There are 2 loopers that aren't immune to fire attacks.
Still, that's because of the fire element resistance and not because her skill is magic. S.Moves don't count as the magic.
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Don't act like its not true
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To deal damage with this man, you have to wait an absurd amount of time to charge him up. Even then, his damage is average. Overall, he's a waste of time and space.
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>>324264054
Nigga what
Amelia is fucking top tier
Franz is alright if you meant him but not by any means terrible
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>>324264413
I thought it wasn't possible to make a character worse than a Berserker

I was wrong

Give Samurai Gil Toss again please, they are so bad without it
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>>324261467
>at least one or two characters have to die
>Daichi cant be one of them
What a downgrade from Atsuro.
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>>324256326
Frog has jolly good cooperation. Nigga has dual techs with everybody. He's like having a fucking back up Crono
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>>324259821
Welllllllll....

if you're going for a low-turn-count run, or a S rank run, Nino obviously is worthless, but since I cleared all the maps out and did all the bonus maps every time I always ended up with a squad of Lv.20/20 dudes even if I babied Nino
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>>324265839
>has dual attacks with everyone
Just like everyone else in the fucking game
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>>324264054
are you a fag or do you just blow your mom's dick
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>>324251491
You made me angry. He had such a tragic story.
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>>324259663
This. Thief should have been able to steal spells or something to make himself useful. Like, make his advanced job able to steal enemy turns or abilities so he has a unique and useful mechanic. Shit woulda been cool as fuck if he could rob Chaos of spells/turns thereby giving the party ample opportunities to heal/fight. Ninja is a shit.
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>>324264054
>things that Jagen users say
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>>324256218
why do people complain about Zelos but not Kratos?
they play exactly the same
comparing to the the two of them, Sheena is beyond useless have no damage output and having no variety of moves
Collett is also shit until endgame where she can just spam spells with Genis and Raine
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>>324266471
I am so fucking disappointed there hasn't been a turn based game that does this. I swear I've seen shit like that in Mario RPGs where characters that are considered crooks or thieves can steal your ability to attack or use items but that isn't allowed to be a skill on a thief party member. Even Bravely Default, the game that has like 20 different ways to break it, features this

I want a thief where they can steal fucking anything instead of "fast guy with knife that sometimes steals something"
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>>324266076
No like he has a wider variety of dual techs than everyone one else who's not Crono. Your most useful ones come from frog
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>>324266503
>why do people complain about Zelos but not Kratos?
>they play exactly the same

Zelos has the worst personality, a shit personality, and the worst reasons to betray the party (llolololo I am joining the winning side. My reaction "join them in hell")
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>>324251491
>there are people who minmax in Casual Trigger instead of just using the characters they like
Now that's what I call faggotry.
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>>324254285
That makes no difference when half the possible party members have healing tech and status is so rare you'll be fine with the regular status removing items.
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>>324266761
Thieves in Tactics Advance can steal abilities and it's hardly excting.
What you are describing sounds like a very restricted variation of blue magic or Vampire's genome drain from Bravely Default.
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>>324266928
>There are people who don't min-max in everything
When did the trash get out of it's home?
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pic related


also Gar and Nina from Breath of Fire 3
anyone who says Donald in KH1 is terrible is a shitter that's too lazy to customize Donald's attack settings, give him spare equipment or probably was retarded enough to give him the staffs that lower MP
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>>324267287
>minmaxing in casual single player games because you're too shit to beat them without it
How does it feel to have severe autism?
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>>324267124
It might not be the most efficient way but it made every fight trivial by doing
Haste on everyone -> attack with everyone -> heal everyone to full after enemy has attacked -> repeat until enemy is dead
You wont even run out of mana because lmaoGoldStud
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>>324267919
Every fight in the game is trivial with any party setup as long as you're not legally brain dead. This is why discussions about character tiers in the game are dumb: it doesn't fucking matter who you use.
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>>324267531
>Ever doing things casual and lazy like and never aiming for the most optimal and precise way to victory
Do you ever win at anything you do? No, of course not. You're just trying to feel good about yourself while being a failure and the only way you can really try to take the high ground is to try to make it out like there's a greater meaning to taking it easy, when in reality you're just a lazy ass who gets attached to things that aren't real and is chances are a wage slave wishing he could win the lottery to escape. It's that kind of thinking that ensures you'll never be the 1%
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>>324268554
ok anon, you keep knocking down those strawmen and don't let anyone tell you you can't do it!
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>>324254285
Marle is the worst party member in the game. Her focus on healing techs only is overkill when you could use a generalist like Frog or Robo who can do good damage and also have healing techs.

In fact, Crono + Marle + Frog is probably the worst party in the game.
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>>324261256
Are you talking about Golden? I didn't play it but he was by far the best in the original.
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>>324266828
Everyone has 3 dual techs with each other.

If you mean useful ones, sort of. But you really only end up using 1 dual tech per pair anyway.
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>>324259542
I pretty much always use units like her.
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>>324264413
> Waste of time and space.

Not really. He has the best STR rating in the game, so keep raising that with espers and when you get the illumina, give him that by using the merit award + black belt + back row. In 2/3 party dungeons, have Terra/Celes/Cyan as your Illumina users, Edgar/Mog = dragoon, Locke/Setzer = offering setups.

By doing this you can leave behind Gau and Umaro. Gau can be okay but takes an absurd amount of time to build up late-game and isn't controllable, and Umaro is just uncontrollable garbage.

That is unless you are a faggot who just gives ultima to everyone, then your party doesn't matter.
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>>324251491
Chrono Trigger character rankings:

Crono > Ayla > Robo = Frog > Lucca > Magus > Marle

Yes, Magus is shit. No dual techs and needs to use an accessory to do triple techs. His shadow magic damage is underwhelming, fire/ice/lightning 2 are garbage by the time you get him, and he has low physical attack.
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>>324251491
> Ruined RE5

Bitch is useless. Wish the game didn't require a shitty computer controlled partner all the time.
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>>324261256

>Not liking Yosuke

You must be gay
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>>324270017
Why is Lucca that low? She's the most effective character for cleaning up weak enemies with high magic and fire 2. The high magic stat also makes her really useful for powerful dual/triple techs.
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>>324258629
This game really should have been a Strategy RPG if they were going to include this many characters.
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>>324270452
> cleaning up weak enemies

Why do you need to 'clean up weak enemies?' How is that at all useful?

She's that low because she has low physical attack like Marle. She has ok to good magic damage so long as the enemy is weak to fire, but has really poor physical attack capabilities and has no healing magic to compensate.

Frog and Robo are jacks-of-all-trades with both good physical and healing attacks, and they work well with complementing Ayla.
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>>324258164
>>324258594
>>324258309

Now that I think about it, the only actual useless party member in Earthbound is Ness
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>>324261607
Physical skills were severely downgraded from Nocturne, too. You were better off giving one or two physical attacks to jack-of-all-trades characters like Serph or Gale than using a specialist.

Still, he's a shit-ton more useful than Cielo was in the first game.
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These fuckers right here, every time I run into one they don't know what their doing. Even if they did their damage is shit since their playing a hard scaling % based classes without a +12 or higher.
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>>324270017
>implying I don't know magus is shit
>implying I won't use him anyways

He can spam the tier 2 spells a whole bunch which is something I guess.
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>>324269778
How do you make Umaro work? I heard that you can influence his AI with items.
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she really turns into a useless piece of shit later on in the game, chrom's better
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>>324272250
She's the only viable tank in the game. And tanks wreck shit with the EO formula.
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>>324271793
You have to give him specific relics to make him work.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Umaro
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>>324270913
Nigga what
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>>324270346
>>324270346
How about you get some fucking friends then?
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This old fart.
>Doesn't excel in damage
>Cecil and I believe Yang have higher health than him
>Has 0 MP, so that cuts his options down further if you were planning to give him some Augments in the DS version
>Only saving grace is the ability to Analyze all enemies at once

If you think Edward's bad, that's kind of unfair considering how long you get him for. Cid is just a filler party member that sucks at everything.
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>>324270017
>Robo = Frog

Only on the first playthrough. Robo shits on Frog after that thanks to not being able to wield the upgraded Masamune until the end of the game.
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>>324272250
That's not Kormaru and Ken
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>best member
>best techs
>best theme

>shitty

please die
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As shit as Chie is at least she has some use until you get Kanji.
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>>324269213

Marle has Haste in the DS version, which makes her a lot more valuable.
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>>324264413
or you could equip him with offering and genji glove so his base attack is x8. Cyan actually one of the best team members to have.
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>>324251491
He's completely outclassed by Crono as a physical attacker and by Marle as a mage.
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>>324269213
Marle has Haste and insanely powerful Dual Techs. Frog is legitimately the worst because he's a jack of all trades and master of none. Second worst is Lucca because she brings nothing to the team other than fire damage.
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>get them early on in the game
>no magic and only a couple mediocre special techniques
>assumed they were supposed to be the heavy-hitter, but they had less abilities and weaker stats than Cray
>when I got to Woren, put them on Una so that she could boost their physical stats, their magical abilities were non-existant, so I didn't care about the magic stats decreasing
>still pretty useless, and their actual physical attacks miss too often to be useful
>later on in the game, recieves a massive buff from a storyline event
>in magic
>because I made their master Una, their actual Wisdom stat sucks and doesn't even have enough AP to cast anything
>put them off Una as soon as I realized, but the damage had already been done
>now stuck in a purgatory between being too weak for physical attacks, but being too lame for magical
>tfw permanent backseat

Fuck Ershin. They literally have no point whatsoever in the game.

If I wanted to hit hard, I would use Cray. If I prefer magic, then I would use Nina/Ursula. If I wanted a mixture of both, I would use Ryu/Scias.

Ershin has no point other than to be a permanent EXP leech the whole game.
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>>324269213
>In fact, Crono + Marle + Frog is probably the worst party in the game.

That's the party I use most of the time (re: when I'm not forced to use Ayla to steal missables) and the game is still piss easy.
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>>324274537
>hating Ershin

FAYAH
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You don't know SHIT about useless characters.

>first real boss who can fuck you up
>game saddles you with a shitty character
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This morphable pink asshole.
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>>324267330
Kongol was fine, he was just slow as fuck. And you need to go out your way to actually get his Dragoon spirit earlier or he's always lagging behind. Just put a speed accessory on him and you have a tough as nails tank.
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>>324275185
>Freed
Thanks for reminding me. What the FUCK were they thinking?
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>>324274920
Ershin is literally a meme character. When Deis appeared, I was hoping we'd get her as a party member, but instead we were stuck with the meme machine.
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>>324275609
So you can get his wife later on and so they can produce one of the best spear wielders in the series overall come Suikoden 3.
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>>324252167
be careful not to cut yourself on all that edge, ledditor
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>best girl
but
>worst party member
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>>324276824
>Gave her healing materia
>Finally useful
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>>324251491
i'm pretty sure his and and Marle's ice water AOE is the most powerful attack at one point int he game
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>>324277305
I always used Ice Water against Magus.
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>>324277170
Yeah but Aeris is superior at healing whenever you have her available RIP in peace
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>>324251491
He's good enough to still be overpowered. A lot of the other cast is just better though. He's a good character stuck in a game filled with overpowered characters. If you really want a crappy character in a game filled with overpowered party members look at Garr from BoF 4. He's utterly useless. The only thing that's decent about him is that he gets his most powerful weapon a lot earlier than anyone else. But it drains your life and Momo will still hit harder with a regular attack, not to mention with with shadowwalk which makes her attacks hit 100% of the time.

Nina's more like the Frog of BoF 3 though. She's an average party member stuck in a game filled with OP party members. Although even then, the contrast between her and every other party member besides Garr is still more jarring than comparing Frog to Crono or Robo.
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>>324279428
Not as good as Katt, but I still enjoyed her.
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>>324276508
Be careful not to slip on all that shit shitposter.
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>>324279428
You kidding right? She's a better version of Nina. She's one of the best party members to have honestly. Especially since you don't need to waste shamans on her.
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>>324279428
>Can Max every stat except HP
>Can learn the strongest magic available in the game
>She doesn't depend fusion unlike every other character

>''useless''
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>>324260726
I am such an RP fag that I was constantly swapping my party members around so they all got an equal share of the action...in theory.

In reality, It was close, but I never used Jacob, he was just too overshadowed by the rest. He should have been able to use rifles and shotguns, as he is a defensive biotic and could have held a position very well.

I also never used Kasumi and Liara in 2 because I caught onto the Mass Effect train two years after 3 came out.
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Except for Vesperia, dogs are always shit.
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>>324261256
I don't really "like" Yosuke but Garudyne has the fastest animation to any top level AoE elemental spell.

Combine that with his Wind Boost and Wind Amp skills and the battles seem to end in seconds.
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>>324272131
>Chrom's better
Clearly someone doesn't know jack shit about proper FE eugenics.
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>>324281024
I thought he was pretty good. He's got crazy evasion compared to the other characters for most of the game since he can't wear shoes.
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>>324264054
At least she doesn't stay shit from the very beginning like a certain someone
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>>324270017
Pretty sure Magus is the strongest mage in the game.
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>>324267330
>Nina
She's great once you get meditate and MINDO SODO. Garr on the other hand is an irredeemable piece of shit
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>>324273575
I heard that Edward is broken as fuck in the GBA version
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>>324282428
>hating on the baller that is Marcus
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>>324283795
they added a new dungeon in the GBA version on Mt Ordeals dude to the game allowing Yang, Cid, Edward, and the twins to join the final battle.

So this new dungeon has their really good equipment on par with the moon stuff for everyone else
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>>324260810
>Cor Blimey
>useless

fuck you he was a bro through the whole game<
now Angelo on the other hand...
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>>324253794
This
Should've been Salsa with better offense and speed
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>>324251491
Guaranteed bait
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>>324270017
Wrong it is
Crono>Ayla>Robo>Lucca>Magus>Frog>Marle

But the game is a joke so you can get away with whatever
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>>324260810
FUCK YOU
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>>324274537
>>324274920
>>324275931
Ershin can be used as a Transfer tank for Ryu since it has the highest Concentration points
it regens 20+ AP on the backrow every turn for crying out loud
best Ershin is HP+DEF+AP tank Ershin
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>>324281024
The characters in P3/4 who focus on Hama or Mudo attacks (Koro, Ken, Naoto) are generally more useless. If that focus towards insta deaths moves were put towards literally anything else they would be more useful, as they skills are just generally not of use in Persona or even SMT as a whole in my experience.
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>>324251491
I've always been a unique individual and the mere fact that Frog was "cool" at all, that people liked him? Made me shy away from him. Chrono Trigger is a hard game to like anyway because it's so popular and I want to be interesting, people meme all over Robo, the ultra weebs like Magus, and the perverts like Ayla. The safe options are Marle and Lucca, but people will think I like them because they're cute instead of because they're the least popular.
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>>324269213
Marle will always have a locked spot in my party whenever Crono is in it.

They belong together.
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>>324283795
Edward is my favourite character in the GBA version. He goes so fast that in the time Cecil takes to get one turn, he'll get 2 and a bit. It's ridiculous. His Hide is great, because it he's fast enough to quickly duck out of an incoming attack if you time it right. He does ludicrous damage to most enemies in the Moon, because he gets multipliers on them. He'll probably deal more than Cecil in there. It's pretty fun. Also he can get 99 in all stats.

He's a bit less fun in After Years unfortunately, but who isn't?
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>>324284619
I played with Crono, Robo, and Frog. They had good healing and they are the only characters I noticed who gave me triple tech. Though later the triple tech wasn't very useful as frenzy+rapid punch took off more damage in a turn. While Frog took decent damage though considerably less with aerial strike. Also frog was my favorite character.
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>>324284259
Angelo has Multiheal and Twin Falcon Slash, he's great. If you go Bows he gets an All Enemy attack. Yangus is actually the weakest overall party member in the game, Hero beats his strength at later levels and Angelo and Jessica are both better in boss fights, and his healing and attack options are both worse than them. He's still the best character in the game though, and he's one of the two characters who get critical hit moves for Metal Slime hunting.
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>>324284827
naoto was far from useless though. In the original she handled trashmobs like nothing and the dungeon right after you get her is riddled with dark/light weak mobs that are immune to everything else, give her the sp half accessory and she made dungeons obsolete. She was a bit mediocre in boss fights but MC could more than make up for that and she could still spam megido spells while having no weakness. In golden she was by far the best party member hands down and in PersonaQ she was even more broken.
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Surprised no-one's posted this fucker yet.
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>>324284887
>Being this much of a hipster
What the fuck
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>>324284887
>instead of because they're the least popular
Which would be the worst reason to like a character.
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>>324280730
>>324280679
She's not useless, but overrated indeed.

She has average stats before level 50, and the game usually ends at levels 35-45 of your party. She's good because she starts at 35 while your party is 20 so her stats are automatically better than anyone's and that there are Death, Might, Exit and Warp among her spells. But it won't take long until other characters reach her experience. Either, not every time you will wipe entire groups with offensive magic, you will have to buff your teammates. Let alone she can't do shit against bosses but buff and heal. Her damage to bosses with spells isn't comparable to what Ryu does with dragons/physicals and Katt with physicals while buffed. She falls apart once shaman Katt, shaman Sten and shaman Jean are available, who can rush through the last dungeon without any casualties if used correctly.
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>>324284887
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>>324285486
His limit breaks just range from useless to bad, which is sadly the only thing differentiates characters in FF7.
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>>324285486
But it takes him sixty thousand kills to do what Cait Sith can do n 40! That makes him OP!
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>>324285484
Bosses are really the only thing you have to worry about in Persona anyway, the dungeons are easy no matter who use. I played the original however, if I ever play Golden I will give her another try, as well as when I play q, as the dungeons probably will be more difficult in that game than in the Personas.
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>>324284887

>I dislike other people choices but i care for other people opinions about my choices

You're adorable.
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there is not other more shit party member than my friends
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>>324285486
Because it doesn't need to be mentioned, he has awful stats, awful weapons, and absolutely disgusting limits.
Only an Advent Children Apologist will defend Vincent
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>>324261467
>>324265435
he was a pretty good multi striker and i really liked him in record breaker.
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>>324285691
>>324285735
>>324285910
I never got why so many people recommend him. Cid I get, he's great, but Vincent did more to hinder your progress than anything else with his stupid limit breaks. I guess FFVII really did attract edgy teens when it came out.
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>>324285889
Same. All their attacks are either unreliable or have a boring design
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>>324261256
>even his ultimate form is weak to the final boss
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>>324254285
Frog + Ayla did exactly the same thing and Ayla can actually do damage
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>>324251491
dumb frogposter
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>>324285842
>Bosses are really the only thing you have to worry about in Persona anyway

Sure but trashmobs make up a much much much larger part of the game and naotos instakill moves sped up that part considerably in the original, so much that her somewhat lower boss DPS was an ok tradeoff (you only needed good MC personas for that anyway)

In golden naoto is strong because she can learn elemental dyne spells, gets heat riser, mind charge and invigorate 3 while still no weakness in sight.

PersonaQ in general makes instakill moves stupid good and naoto has both high speed and high luck making her the best character in the game by a good amount.
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>>324274537
>get to final boss
>You and me, we are different from your friends, we are gods!
>nobody mentions Ershin is a god too
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>>324257798

Who cares? The game was easy as fuck no matter who you threw in the party.
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>>324273993
In the original yes. But in Golden she's one of the best
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>>324286715
Ershin's not a god, it's a recipient to contain Deis

notice how, when Deis left, Ershin was just a lifeless husk
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>>324286905
I meant Deis, whatever

She could have mentioned it before getting genocided
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>>324286570
I usually just rushed mobs with physical attacks and had no problem.
Naoto sounds like she got way better in Golden though.
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>>324287139
I was about to say that Fou Lu didn't know about Deis' existence, but then I remembered that Fou Lu DID look into Ryu's memories
so maybe, Fou Lu ignored Deis because her summoning was incomplete?
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>>324287310
Or because after his waifu got soiled he started to hate sluts
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>>324258629
someone should make a collage with every useless party member in every game.
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>>324251491
Not even trying.

>>324253676
This nigga gets it.

>>324256064
>implying Frog with masamune isn't the best damage dealer right after Crono

>>324256218
ToS has literally two characters I like. Him and Sheena.

>>324264413
He was a good fighter if equipped accordingly. And he's one of the most interesting party members.
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>>324287801
>I like frog because he is a friendzoned whiteknight frogposter like me
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>>324275185
that's 99% of suikoden 2's cast.
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>>324281024
ugh, this.

if they talked or something it'd be different. they always just go "bow?" and shit on everything.
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>>324268554
>you'll never win at anything
>you'll never be in the top 1%
>unironically uses "wageslave" as an insult

I just, I just don't know anymore.
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>>324287965
>friendzoned
There's an ending where he marries the queen.
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>>324288726
Does he poop a string of tadpoles on her, as is tradition?
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>>324288726
most of CT's endings are pointless.
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>>324287965
> I like to shitpost because I like my posts to match my vapid, hollow personality.
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>>324287801
>Frog with Masamune
>Not Robo with Crisis Arm
>or Apocalypse Arm
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>>324287801
>implying Frog with masamune isn't the best damage dealer right after Crono

If you convienently forget about Ayla and Robo, sure.
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