What does the future hold for Melee? Sm4sh? 64? All will be shown later today.
Speak your piece.
>mfw Leffen paid Nintendude to sabotage the G3 Top 8
>mfw Nintendude deliberately allowed himself to face M2K and eliminate him
>mfw M2K falling to the Dark Side was just as planned.
>mfw Leffen is planning to slowly destabilize the 5 Gods and usurp their glory.
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN. IT WAS HIM ALL ALONG!
I'm just so happy Ice finally made top 8
and he could definitely take SFAT in Fox dittos
>try to counterpick so you can play one of the most one-sided match-ups in the game
>you're average with the character in every way
>fuck up a lot
>bitch on twitter
As a Peach Main I can safely say that m2k shouldn't be complaining about wobbling.
Peach vs ICs is free as fuck. All he needed to do was time him out.
Not only that but he got grabbed at 10% on his last stock.
You can easily mash out if you mash real hard out of it. But he didn't even try.
>play a counterpick specifically to win
>don't play to win
m2k went full retard.
>ICs win it all
>salt explodes everywhere
>wobbling is now banned because people can't handle shitty characters having one trick that makes them able to compete with good characters that actually have multiple options
I will bet my life to a dollar that they won't play tomorrow. Mang0 is amazing at beating Ice Climbers, and even then Hbox will most likely meet him in losers to fuck him up. Nintendude himself doesn't think he can possibly beat Hbox with ICs.
Somebody make the fucking edit. Please.
Yes. Getting out at like 30% is nigh impossible but the inhumane mashers like Westballz are able to do it.
10% is hard but still doable.
M2K already said he's switching over to the superior Smash 4 this year.
He's done with melee because of bullshit glitches like "wobbling". Melee belongs in the museum along with every other fossil that still plays it.
>Armada vs PP
This is the match I'm most excited to see, especially after crews, but I have to give it to Armada 3-1
>Hbox vs Axe
>Mango vs Nintendude
>Sfat vs Ice
>Mango vs PP
3-1 mango (PP wins on fd)
>Ice vs Axe
>Armada vs Hbox
>mango vs ice
>mango vs hbox
>armada vs hbox
As long as it's not a Hbox and Armada grand finals, I'm happy. Would love to see Mang0 or PP win ideally but having been at Top 8 for BH5 live, nothing is worse than Hbox Armada GFs. The majority of the crowd stopped paying attention and a lot of spectators actually started leaving.
Wasn't able to have 64 on all day so Im excited to see Top 8 tomorrow. sm4sh was extremely hype today too upsets galore. Wish the Dabuz meme would end and people could just appreciate his style of play.
Am I the only one who thought that this set was the perfect capper to this top 64?
The salty suite didn't deliver, so this hit the spot. As a bonus alongside already a bunch of major upsets, we have an ICs in top 8.
>>character is literally not viable except for one broken interaction
Wobbles got 2nd at evo and barely use the wobble. Ice climbers have decent grab followups even without it.
Dabuz is far better than Void. I haven't been bored watching Smash sets in quite some time but for some reason Void just knocks me the fuck out. I respect the dude but he makes it very apparent how cancerous Sheik can really be.
I honestly think Axe can make it to 3 or 4. I think he could be Ice and SFAT. Not sure about Nintendude, but Mango will probably knock him out. That just leaves Mango and we saw that he can do it, it depends on how Mango plays tomorrow.
Biggest threats to Axe would be Armada and PP, with Nintendude and Mango being tough but possible to beat. Everyone else I think Axe can beat just fine
What time does it start back up tomorrow?
They've finally given in to the lure of the Dark Side.
Chancellor Leffen has won.
All is lost. None of the Top 8 Masters can stand against him and he's not even present at the final fight.
It's hard when there's literally only 5 relevant Ice Climber players (Fly doesn't count anymore) scattered around the world now. ICs has so much specific tech that's it's hard to practice for when you fight one of those 5 IC players.
Doubly so if you literally never pull out peach except when you fight one of those players
I expected this, Nintendude has actually beaten M2K in the past couple of sets
>that ONE guy with nintendude in top 8 lucked the fuck out
There is literally nothing worse than M2K nuthuggers.
The dude is a complete asshole in pretty much every way. Why does anyone defend him just because he cries on twitter about muh selflessness?
>doesnt want to win with a time out
>goes down FOR THE PEOPLE
regardless of how bad his peach play was and how lame he was about to make it, you got to give him credit.
he literally gave up top 8 so that people dont think of him as a big faggot like hbox.
but then he realized what he did and will now be the biggest one to ever live
>I don't want to be a villain
>I'm not that kind of person
>I'd rather just bitch on twitter trying to justify my loss against someone I counterpicked against
>in a 9-1 match-up
>against someone widely regarded as an overrated wobble-abusing shitter
>M2K still draws on the light.
Damn, I almost had him. It seems Nintendude couldn't provoke him enough.
No matter, everything is proceeding as I have forseen it.
Soon. Melee will be mine.
hes always super depressed when he gets embarassed
Its a hangover from doing really well. You get complacent and dont work as hard, then you lose and work harder, and the cycle resets.
Its like Armada after Apex. I mean yea say it was PAL but he lost to fucking hbox right afterwards and looked sluggish doing it
yeah man totally. hold on are we talking about the player that literally never approaches? the same one that sits at the ledge and waits for his opponent to approach? yea totally for the people xd
I kind of know how Hbox fans feel know. They see merit in the Puff/Fox matchup where others don't. I always have fun watching ICs try to manuever around their opponent, especially if it's Peach, and try to keep Nana from getting killed. Regardless of wobbling, it's an uphill battle every time considering how fundamentally lackluster ICs are in high level play.
Some of you guys are alright, don't go to Genesis tomorrow.
>he thinks Nintendude has anything but a 0% chance of winning Genesis
Have you ever even seen an Ice Climbers in top 8 before?
Axe is playing super on point, way better than he has since Smash Summit. Though SFAT has been playing pretty fucking good too. A lot of this top 8 is a real tossup. Hopefully Hbox doesn't shake Axe too hard
You always got to watch for lower bracket Mango so we'll see. Axe always keeps it close and he just took it away today
The seeds are already planted. Nintendude performed his role perfectly. History will repeat itself.
Leffen has already won.
>I tried to appeal to the crowd (not time out) and went on the ground and got wobbled. Its the last time ill ever try to be playing for fans.
>Im not lying i literally stopped because i didnt want to turn smash into that. The crowd literally is why i went down. I swear im not lying.
>But ive learned today that playing to win no matter WHAT is what really matters. I plan to play for the timeout in the future now.
>I hated how everyone hated what i did with brawl metaknight when i fight ics. I played by the rules to win.
M2K confirming what I and many others have known for a while- Melee players choose not to play lame even if they know they can win by doing so. Top player metagame manipulation is real.
seriously how can anyone not feel bad for him, the only thing he had going for him in his life(smash) is now gone, he isn't getting good placings in any of the games, and doesn't feel like he even likes the game anymore
It's the buildup to it that makes it satisfying. Popo and Nana can be easily separated at any time, and a lone Popo is practically a lost stock against any high tier character.
>Another Armada Hbox Winners finals
>Another Hbox Armarda grands
Pls god no
Wobbles himself has been playing like that for the past couple of years while he was in the semi-retired status
He intentionally tries not to wobble unless he absolutely has to use it to win
Am I the only one who feels like Smash 4 was more exciting than Melee at this event so far?
I really enjoy both games and usually favor Melee as a spectator sport but Genesis just feels the same as the past 3 or 4 nationals. Maybe I'm just getting burnt out because of the frequency of events, but the narratives in Melee haven't been as exciting as of late. There was also very little energy in the Melee crowd vs. the Smash 4 crowd.
i've been following melee since it was first at evo back in '07
and i still don't understand what people have against wobbling
seems pretty mundane to me
you get a game
you bend it really far from how its intended to be played
and you get some really funky shit
it just kinda happens and you roll with it
in most cases, it creates characters like IC (or Iron Man) where they are inferior to the Top Tiers in almost every way except for their one infinite
if you hate ICs, please tell me not only why
but how stuff that fox/marth/shiek is preferable
>that stock where Nintendude got M2K's Peach from 0 to 70% with Sopo
M2K either needs to just man up and use one of his decent characters against ICs, or actually train with Peach for a while. Because I mean holy fuck, why would you ever let that happen as Peach?
If that happens then I'm literally hopping over to Smash 4 for the night. Melee is still great and this top 64 has been incredible to watch, but I really don't care for Hbox unless he manages to not get 2nd.
he plays like a robot, never gets baited by hbox being a fag and planking the way emo2king does
I mean obviously everyone already knows that, it just means that the game stagnates forever
God smash made me forget how much I love marvel 2. Damn I love that game
it's not even ICs that bother me. Every top IC is fun to watch and someone I can root for. Wobbles himself has some of the sickest looking combos I've ever seen.
I just really hate the way Nintendude plays ICs. I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to play that way, but I don't think i can root for him in any matchup.
I feel you. There were way more upsets in smash 4 today, and the it's been more enjoyable as a whole to watch. Even the salty suite was a bust
People are retarded and forget that to wobble you have to play shitty fucking ICs
It's cool when you get one off, but the moment Nana is gone you're now stuck with essentially an F tier character.
Infinites are never a good thing and they're always fucking gay in every game they're in
Wobbling is even worse because it doesn't even look cool or take any execution whatsoever (you literally just tap the a button at a certain speed) it's easy as shit
Melee is extremely esports now, most things have been figured out already and you can predict placings for almost all the events. Smash 4 now carries the "Melee hype", it's extremely fresh compared to Melee and it's full of brand new rivalries.
>THIS IS IT BROS. THE DEATH OF MELEE STARTS TONIGHT.
My God, it's finally arrived. After Fifteen Long Years, our darkest hour.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing what would happen if M2K makes Smash 4 his main game. But realistically, that tweet is just him being dramatic. He'll come back... they always come back.
Fuck man, I just want to see M2K win one major. ONE fucking major
The guys been at this for a decade
His sponsor takes advantage of him, while all the other gods are under big brands.
Will M2K ever win a major in our lifetime?
>None of the Top 8 Masters
LEL Hbox Armada and Mang0 ALL have a good shot at him if they actually meet in bracket, in addition to others. Leffen peaks high, but even at his peak he barely edges out Armada, who's ultra consistent. He's Mango-tier.
>someone named Nintendude plays IC in a boring way and wobbles as hard as he can to win
>someone named Wobbles doesn't even wobble, is godly at ICs, and is fun to watch
what is this
meets nintendude in losers last game of the night
goes peach every game, loses 3-1
last game he had 2 stocks to 1, with 2 minutes left
tried to let the game time out, but instead he gets wobbled twice in a row
maybe, but wobbling seems like the thing that's stopping ICs from being embraced by more people. Wobbles himself has demonstrated how ridiculous and flashy the combo potential of ICs is, if more people tried to emulate that I'd feel a lot more inclined to root for ICs
m2k just tweeted this and deleted it like 10 seconds later wtf?
>Axe is playing super on point, way better than he has since Smash Summit
Well, excluding the set vs Armada at Eclipse. That was fantastic. He seemed kinda crushed about losing the last hit scenario there and got btfo in losers afterwards tho.
>mfw Nintendude wins it all tomorrow
I only caught the last round of M2K vs Nintendude, why did M2K play Peach? I don't recall him ever using peach in a tourney b4 why didn't he just fox or something
Now? Melee has always had a few people dominate the scene.
The 5 Gods
The Big Six
If anything its only now that we're seeing another restructuring of this.
I honestly think Plup will be the next to break into the top.
>Jason Zimmerman is literally inconsolable. Teammates are coming over to console him and he wants none of it.
HOW HE KING
WITH NO RING
Plup isn't beating Armada. Ever. Same for Westballz/Axe. It's just not happening. I'm sure he will break into the top 5, but he won't be beating Armada & Hbox (at big tournaments because Hbox in local tournaments is way different than Hbox at a major).
Who doesn't know this? Few ICs still make top 8 and none have won nationals. Wobbles only came close because he was the god-tier equivalent of Nintendude/Fly at his peak and people were unprepared for ICs during Evo 2013.
maybe, until people decide to learn the pika mu
probably not until he switches characters and not for a few years
maybe but he's inconsistent and doesnt have the best mindset
You get the Smash Deathnote. What one player's or caster's name do you write down?
So fairly new to Smash, let me get this straight all the other gods have a main character but M2K, is that the reason he never wins?
Mang0 - falco
armada - peach
hbox - jiggly
pp - marth
leffen - fox
M2k - ??? no consistent main
>Its weird PM is dead/dying at a local level
Says who? PM "dies" at a local level during every school year. Speaking just for New England, it was actually worse last winter than it has been so far.
Not at all, Melee is totally not that shallow unless you play a character that's totally not viable. PP plays Falco/Marth, Armada plays Peach/Fox, Mang0 up until recently played one of the best Foxes in the world, with tournament ready Falcon, Marth and Mario. M2k is just old and has major mindset issues.
M2K is the jack of all trades and has been playing at top level for a decade now. His hands are fucked and he breaks down mentally due to external and internal pressure. Plus he balances 4 to 6 events every single tournament
he mains shiek/marth/fox situationally
most people have a pocket character, he just goes a little deeper, and no its not why he never wins, he does very well
his hands are a mess is the problem
Mango mains falco and fox, armada mains peach and fox, pp mains falco and marth, m2k mains sheik and marth. The reason m2k will also play other characters is that he thinks character matchups are incredibly important, so much that he plays peach, a character who he is not good with, against even the best ice climbers players.
i think crew battles was the most hype so far.
someone post the Hbox popoff pls. I love how he gets spun around by MacD
No, M2K has hand problems and plays more than just Melee. He's also been in a bit of a rough spot the last year but he did have some moments where he played really well. His biggest issue is dealing with his emotions, especially after a loss. M2K in robot mode is arguably the greatest player of all time but M2K after a pretty hard loss or in a state of any sort of negative mindset is the worst of the six by far since he does a bad job of not letting his feelings affect his play.
Also Mango and Armada both have Fox and PPMD has Falco. The only true solo mains in the top 6 are Hbox and Leffen.
ZeRo because I fucking hate how much of an insufferable shit he is.
I dont want any Melee players to go. Even as much as I don't like Hbox for how he plays, he brings a nice dynamic to the top six in Melee by being the only Puff at that level and I love watching him in doubles.
More like streaming is the family's income source
Mang0 has 1750 subs, that's $2.50x1750
$4375 a month, or $52500 a year
This is excluding all the retarded donations he gets and his player salary from c9
>mfw Mango is nxt to be wobbled
What if this is some Melee-loving God's way of spiting him for not playing Samus or something? What if it was Leffen's birthright to play Samus and he said "lol no im playing Fox" so he's forever fated to lose against Samus players forever until he plays the character?
to be fair, Fly is almost completely incapable of wobbling because, for some reason, he's unable to get the first of the wobble right
That being said, I still expect Mango to destroy Nintendude
I can't wait for the delicious tears
Samus has ways out of the traditional optimal Fox pressure. Leffen just plays as optimally as possible, he lacks in the mind game aspect of the game, which is why he gets 4-stocked more than anyone in the top 6. Samus is the kind of character that exposes people with a poor mental game.
>all the spacies are in losers bracket
i dunno, be she's my favorite kinda smug
People are very familiar with the species MU so punishes are optimal, whereas falcos are struggling to kill pikachu because how the fuck do you edge guard that? Who the fuck plays pikachu?
>mfw all the spacies tomorrow are potential food for wobbling for Nintendude who somehow also happens to be in losers
>shine can infinite, why isn't it banned?
>Marth's grab and sword hit boxes are ridiculously disjointed, why isn't he banned
>Shiek can chain grab most of the cast, why isn't she banned
>Rest can OHKO, why isn't Puff banned?
Melee is a game of broken jank, virtually every character is broken in some regard, except EVERYONE knows how broken everything is, no one is on unfair footing.
wasn't that the same girl who she said was her best friend? I saw the picture of her and PPMD but I didn't know they were dating. haha, fuckin pro-hoes. Doesn't she realize that Melee players are broke.
She's such an insecure landwhale jesus christ. If you insult her she will rant about it on twitter for days. Plus she retweets feminazi shit and flirts with other guys, hypocrite much?
Jesus, you're clueless.
It's a super long VN about living in a countryside, Japanese mythology and saving your loli sister from her cruel fate. For example after the scene with broken cup, she gets anal-fucked by MC (her brother) as punishment/reward.
>pikachu has insane recovery, a solid spike and a move that reaches the top blast zone
>Peach has insane recovery, and can pull a game winning object randomly and has Dsmash that can do 20-40%
>Falco has the best vertical movement in the game, combo shine and a long lasting, cheap as fuck spike
>Ganondorf can kill someone in half a dozen hits
>IC's have an infinite
>Falcon is ridiculously fast
>Samus also has free recovery and multiple projectiles, some with kill ability offstage
Pretty much this
>mang0 had a close game with him at tbh5 and nintendude is playing amazing right now
mang0 might lose this
Yeah, it has crazy amount of sex scenes. Pretty much every female character gets some. And the non-loli ones get lolified as some points of the story too.
And the story itself is pretty great too if you like slice of life and countryside setting and Japanese mythology.
Personally I like all that, so it's one of my favorite VNs. Only thing I'm not so into is pissing, it has rather many pissing scenes, since the artist is into it appearently.
There won't be an English patch. Some people started it, but they were only doing machine translation and gave up super fast. The entry just remained in VNDB.
And yes, I read Japanese. Took years, but now I'm reaping the rewards such as this delightful VN.
I'm in Japan now as an exchange student. Some people I know plan in finding a job and staying. Personally I plan on returning, first getting some work experience in my home country and then perhaps find a job in Japan.
I don't know how the hell anyone would find enjoyment playing the way Nintendude does, especially when Wobbles is out there styling harder than anyone has ever styled with the character
press F to pay your respects to Nintendude
I'm so sad for m2k..... ;_;
I drink for you
>pewpewu switches to black marth
>suddenly out of nowhere starts getting top 3 placings
He tries to counterpick a lot and it never works out for him.
He always goes Fox against Hbox, but he doesn't play the matchup well and loses. He'd be much better off just sticking with Marth and Shiek no matter what he's up against.
The Gods era kinda officially ended about a year ago at Apex with Leffen finally beating m2k and taking out mango. Tbh, the gods have been losing more and more to non gods since the end of 2013, and the only ones who don't these days are armada and to a lesser extent hungrybox
This. It really feels like there are no such thing as "The Gods" anymore. They all kinda blend in with the above average player lately. Granted there's moments where they appear to be back in their glory days but it's not often.
Yep it was.
PPU had some intense sets on stream. He went to game 5 against Chillin, Westballz and SFAT.
Watch Ice vs Javi if you want to see someone get FUCKED UP in Fox dittos.