Inklings, definitely. No way Nintendo EAD's newest and successful IP won't be majorly represented in Smash at some point.
Everyone else, who knows. What's important to note that when looking at the first party newcomers in Smash 4, the only ones that could of possibly been in Brawl were Villager and Duck Hunt.
Greninja, Dark Pit, Rosalina & Luma, Wii Fit Trainer, Lucina, Corrin, Robin and Shulk didn't exist during Brawl's planning period in 2005 so there's no way they could of been in. Palutena, Little Mac and Bowser Jr. did exist before then, but it was really only because of the successes of Punch-Out!! Wii, Kid Icarus Uprising and the New Super Mario Bros. games that they got in, all three post Brawl games.
So really, the newcomers of Smash 4 basically depend on what Nintendo's going to do in the future. Obviously Gamefreak and Intelligent Systems will produce more Pokemon and Fire Emblem games with new mascots and protagonists to include in the next Smash game. Maybe Nintendo will revive Mysterious Murasame Castle and promote Takamaru from assist trophy into a playable character much like Little Mac. Perhaps Retro Studios will produce another DKC game with K. Rool as the main villain, blasting him back into relevance and in the spotlight. We'll just have to wait and see.
Smash used to be a gathering of Nintendo icons and history. That was the appeal. Now it's just used as an advertising tool to shill the most recently dropped diarreah. As if Nintendo is taking example from Playstation All-Star's footsteps.
>>324159918 The only characters that kinda do advertise new games are some of the Fire Emblem characters (particularly Roy in Melee and Corrin).
Otherwise I think greatly aggregate the whole "Smash is just for promotion!" thing. What exactly are characters like Little Mac, Palutena and even Robin advertising, exactly? PO!! Wii, KIU and FEA all came out years before Smash 4 arrived in late 2014.
OH SHIT /V/ YOU JUST GOT PUT IN CHARGE OF SMASH 5S DEVELOPMENT.
BUT FIRST YOU MUST ANSWER ONE SIMPLE QUESTION
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WITH GANONDORF
>Keep Him the Same >Make him use alot of Magic Attacks from throughout the series, large inspiration from OoT >One Sword Ganon, Largely based on Twilight Princess >Two Sword CUHRAZY Ganon from Wind Waker/Hyrule Warriors >Fuck Ganondorf, Put in Ganon instead
Inkling is locked in, will probably be the first Newcomer revealed. I think most of 4's roster is going to return, barring Lucina, Doc Mario, and Dark Pit. The 3rd Parties are give or take, I can see Mega Man, Pac, Sonic returning, but Ryu and Cloud are more difficult to pin, they may not be in the vanilla roster. Bayo I think could be, Nintendo has a solid enough relationship with Platinum and Sega that I can see her coming back in the starting roster.
The rest of 4's roster I think is pretty set to return.
>>324155741 >All But Confirmed Tier Inklings Ice Climbers New Mario rep New Fire Emblem rep New Pokemon rep >Very Likely Tier King K. Rool Bandana Dee Wolf >Good Chances Tier Rhythm Heaven rep Takamaru
hopefully they're not afraid to make a few deep cuts into certain franchises if the (niche) character's could potentially lend some cool gameplay catches. people guess Sakurai's logic up and down but he's made it directly clear he's picking newcomers with current relevance from still-continuous franchises, with exceptions made for major titles for their time (ie Duck Hunt, 40 mil+ sold title synonymous with the NES)
>>324163862 I remember in a presentation not too long ago, Inklings were featured alongside really popular Nintendo IPs
It seems like Nintendo really wants to ride the Splatoon train, and it makes a lot of sense >a Wii U game that's actually popular in Japan >the first new IP they've made that people actually liked (Pushmo and Dillon's Rolling Western didn't really work out) >sold incredibly well for a new IP
>>324157642 Don't encourage "loud" to get what you want. Being "loud" is why Ridley and K. Rool got shit on so much. A loud minority isn't going to get what they want anyways. You're only encouraging people to get fed up with you and not support your decision.
>>324159738 Inklings are likely, I just think the reason why they weren't FULLY playable in 4 is probably due to their ink mechanic has to be done from the ground up in the game's engine rather than just being supplementary to it.
I think we might see one other Punch-Out!! boxer and even if we don't it's not gonna be worth making 800 angry posts about why Sakurai is a cheat and jew for not including him. Sandman in Smash 5 would be fucking sweet, though
I think Nintendo giving a nod to their obscure past feels like the right thing to do. Ice Climber, Pit, Rob and Duck Hunt were kind of the right thing to do in their respective Smash games.
They should retire Kanto Pokemon Stadium and replace it with the Pokemon World Tournament. There's nothing wrong with recycling stages from past games, but if there's not noticeable touch-ups to them, why even bother?
I think fans should have input on content OTHER THAN CHARACTERS. Brawl seemed to have that, I think. It would have been nice if certain tracks were represented like Pro Wrestling getting a track in WVBA ring or Wrecking Crew '98's theme being remastered.
Pilotwings 64 needs a nod too, fuck that Mii shit.
>>324160779 Bayofags are truly insufferable and are the worst part of the character getting in. All you faggots do when someone points out Sakurai's bias and favoritism or point out that Bayonetta is wayyyyyyy too far in development to have been the ballot winner is say "R U LE SALTY?????? XD" Please go back to reddit. Jack Cayman would have been a better Platinum rep anyways.
Also, it would be interesting if there were trophy, Pokeball and assist trophy suggestions.
The latter having a requirement of describing how they would work. Does no good to just namedrop a character just because. Like imagine a Bald Bull Assist trophy or summoning a Braviary that uses Sky Drop on a random opponent.
>>324157927 I was thinking about that and I thought what if they went with the Squid Sisters with Marie and Callie being costumes for each other? The inklings make sense, but I feel like that would be something they would do
>Whatever the Pokemon company is trying to push as their new mascot mon for Gen 7 or 8 (whichever one is current when the game is released) >Inkling >Lolo or Bubbles for the retro rep >Saki or that Ninja guy who barely became an AT >Isaac
>>324166705 THIS THIIIIIIIIIIISS Whe should be getting characters up till ash 5 releases instead of waiting 7 years for our ballot picks to have a chance again. I really want Banjo and Kazooie to be Smash 5's Mega Man reveal.
>>324160472 I'd remove custom movesets and implement "alters" for characters and these would have said custom moves. Ganondorf would remain the same to please those already accustomed to his moveset. His alter would be Demise and I'd give him sword bullshit and magic.
This is sort of an embarrassing question since I've been playing since 64, but I've only just started playing more "seriously". I found Yoshi to be my main for Smash 4, sucking the least with him. But the stupid question is, when the hell am I supposed to use egg lay anyway? I have to come to a complete stop to use it, and it doesn't seem to last long enough to really deal out damage. I would have been better off just using an attack, no? And I don't think you can smash anyone off the stage while they're in the egg.
>>324160472 >>Make him use alot of Magic Attacks from throughout the series, large inspiration from OoT This. Give him an energy projectile that can be reflected, but speeds up every time and play tennis with it until it becomes insanely powerful.
>>324169436 >I main him This has never been a good defense of any character ever. You can learn a new one. The idea of Smash is every character is easy to pick up because you don't have to memorize button inputs.
Give DK his Coconut Gun as a custom move Get rid of magnet ledges, characters can not grab a ledge unless they're facing it. Nerf recoveries across the board S L I G H T L Y increase gravity. Nowhere near Melee's awful brick gravity Jump momentum NEW MECHANIC Air grabs >Can be used in the air but you cannot pummel the target and you cannot hold them for longer than half a second, must input a throw direction or the target is released >If facing away from a ledge, can be used to reach out and grab the ledge without falling to your doom or to simply extend the range of which you grab the ledge if you are facing it
>>324170585 >K. Rool isn't popular Which is why he was one of 4chan, Reddit, Tumblr, and Twitter's top picks since the ballot began and got a costume in the game, as well? I didn't even vote for or really even want K. Rool that much btw so don't bother spouting memes and LE SALT! LE SALT!!!!
>>324170580 >>324170585 Those characters are iconic to non-normalfags. So is K. Rool. The only reason Marth and Jiggly are "iconic" is because of Smash.
>>324171740 >He thinks ONE SINGLE non-gamer would be able to identify Marth, Jiggs, ROB, Lucas, K. Rool, Shulk, or half the smash roster You're a fucking moron and you have no idea what you're talking about
>>324160628 If they were to make 2 Ganons, one would have to be Ganon, and one Ganondorf. I like these ideas, but I think the second, magic one would work better. We all know how much everyone would complain about Sword Ganon being yet another swordfighter.
>>324172380 Well >>324172860 Nobody would complain about a Ganondorf swordfighter though People complain about current swordfighters because half of them are from a series that has multiple different weapon types to choose from and they're still all boring sword users with a counter
>>324173046 >tfw I would love Shadow as long as he isn't a Sonic clone and has his SA2 personality Knuckles, Tails, Eggman, and Amy are all higher on my list though >You now realize Bayonetta killed any chance for another Sonic rep
Paper Mario has pretty good odds. Even better if another game comes out before Smash 5
Sakurai added a stage for him, so it's obvious he sees worth in the series, and he's pretty much the only way to represent the Mario's RPG library
Inklings are in no doubt. Nintendo first party franchises are like ALWAYS added
Uhh I guess that Waddle Dee from Kirby could have a chance. I only recently played a few of the recent Kirby games and holy fuck that little dude is in EVERYTHING. If HAL keeps using him I think he's a safe bet.
>>324160808 Since 64, actually. Why do you think there were two Pokemon characters when it was a pretty new IP? Sure, Pokemon's withstood the test of time and was incredibly huge, but it was the only franchise to get more than one representative besides Super Mario.
>>324160472 >>324161506 Dorf retains about 80% of his move set but gains a sword It stays in its hip sheath until needed, maybe along the small of his back like the taunt shows
Changes to A Attacks A two hit swing on standard a Up tilt works similar to current one but starts with the sword over his head and slams down, like an automated Roy standard b other tilts remain identical Smashes stay the same
New standard air, strong horizontal swing in front. Hits one side like Greninja's front air. Other aerials stay.
Standard B is like the stab alt Side b works similar but it's an impaling stab with a shock attack, still dashes and launches them down after Other B's remain
Attacks with sword grant moderate armor, like how Bowser doesn't flinch to certain attacks. Since smashes remain unchanged, this shouldn't be broken
>>324175045 Look, there's good reason to hate characters like "Doctor Mario" or cop-outs like Toon Link using the same moveset more or less, but Paper Mario is based around completely different moves. Hating him because "too many Marios" is shortsighted.
>Dr. Mario, Dark pit, and lucina are all pallete swaps. >Falco is replaced with Wolf >Lucario is removed from the game. Replace him with a different fighting type. Maybe Blaziken or Hawlucha. >Ganon gets his own unique moveset with a trident or some shit. >inkling is one character with multiple palette swaps. >keep pacman but make him better.
>>324175904 >Not happening when it's better to either cut them out or keep them separate >Not happening because fans from Melee >Not happening because you might as well ask for Pikachu to be replaced with Pachirisu instead of adding in a character with no effect on veterans >Not happening because fans from Melee You're only realistically getting the one with the Inkling. Last one is just dependent on what semblance of balance the game will have.
>>324176146 The complaints about clones and the complaints of the same character with completely different moves are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Not liking someone because they are "technically Mario" is not remotely close to not liking someone because their moves are redundant as fuck.
-Inklings -Paper Mario -Takamaru -Excitebike, since he's like the last NES retro icon left -More FE anime swordsmen. -Whatever new Pokemon is hip and relevant -MAYBE Waddle Dee. If HAL continues to make him a bigger part of Kirby
>>324175572 Spot the retard Awakening sold well because it pandered to lonely permavirgin weebs. Had it not sold well they would have killed the series since like the other anon said, it was Z-list garbage. Hence why Fates is more lonely permavirgin weeb pandering. It sells. FE is still a shit series that is only still alive because of smash though
>>324176982 Not that guy, but you have really bad reading comprehension. Awakening is garbage, but it saved the series from actually being canned altogether since no matter how hard it was being pushed, it never sold enough to be worth it. It was either die with a whimper or thrive as a shittier series for a while longer.
>>324176754 I think FE deserves some slots, mostly because it can bring many different styles of play. >sword >axe >mage >spear >Corrin >unit riding a horse/pegasus etc Of course it's a matter of whether they put effort or just add more Marth clones but I can dream.
Lucas could be easily be remade as a Ness alt with custom moves. Yes I guess I want Bomberman too, but Simon would be great. Also Django but that's impossible Joe had 4 games while Red had one. Plus I just like Joe more. See pic related.
>>324177085 >but will still be high up on, if not the top of, a lot of people's shit lists I don't think I've ever stopped to worry about how much shitters would cry. Well, not as a negative. It's more like a cherry on top. How many times did Sakurai stop what he was doing because he was worried about the loud minority? Judging by the final product, not a lot. There are going to be angry babies no matter what he does, anyways.
>>324177184 Missing the point. Nintendo firmly situates Baby Mario as a separate character from Mario and makes excuses to wedge him into games. Just like Paper Mario, they've both been in the M&L series for example.
>>324177478 The Baby Mario example is pretty weak though. Smash requires a bit more than just copypasting existing characters' stat balances and giving them a few animations.
Smash is a commitment for adding a distinct character. Which I don't doubt Paper Mario is, but at the same time it's not something you can fully call a newcomer since it's just Mario under another shell and developing + fine tuning a Smash character isn't exactly a quick-and-painless process.
I main Little mac just make his aerials slighty stronger with little cool down, add more hitstun on d-tilt and 3 hit jab and give up B horizontal options and Side B in the air like it was pre 3ds days. and I wouldn't even need Super armor for Smash attacks.
The only thing I ever use the super armor for is D-tilt F-smash / D-tilt U-smash so braindead Mario or Yoshi can't n-air out of the combos. I actually feel guilty when I use the armor alot.
>>324165498 >I think Bayonetta might get back in >>sure, """might""" get back """in""" because of the """""""""ballot"""""""" >what are you so mad about? Calm down >>SEE!? THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! FUCKING BAYONETTA FAGS!
>>324178242 >The face of Nintendo is allowed to have 3 versions of himself in. This. Honestly, all objections should have died when you realize IT'S FUCKING MARIO. If anyone is allowed to appear multiple times, it's him.
>>324179576 Yeah let's just put any character from anywhere in there for whatever reason because pff why not right here's my choice Doomguy for 5mash at least my choice is an actual classic video game character instead of a tumblr meme
>>324159970 If you actually read his latest interviews there's almost a 100% chance he's making the next one. The only way he isn't is if Nintendo wants a new Smash Bros to promote their new line of amiibo or some shit WHILE he's busy with another project.
>>324180159 I would argue Jill or Chris is the "face" of the franchise, but Leon is certainly the fan favorite. Jill and Chris has actually represented the franchise in crossovers already. I'm not aware if Leon has.
>>324176453 I'm going to list all the things wrong with this now. >Thinking that they will drop the other Mii fighters >Thinking that Elmo is gonna make it in smash >thinking Advanced Wars is gonna be important enought to grace with a character >Thinking Toon Link will get an alt >Paper Mario >Shitty Robo >Thinking DK or Metroid will get another rep >Shitty Robo Part 2 >Thinking Takamaru will be more than a AT >Thinking Zelda has another rep who is worth a damn >Shit Shake >Thinking Microsoft will let Banjo in >Fuck Konami x2 >Another Capcom rep
>>324160472 I make so at the character select screen you can select a moveset for him. I would feel bad completely removing his current moveset as some people like it but he deserves a new one. I think some other characters deserve new movesets as well, I think samus and kirby deserve new ones, but completely removing any moveset is dumb. If they provided alternate movesets for characters that would satisfy everyone.
>>324181362 It's not like they don't let Sakurai know who's going to be relevant. Roy was in Melee before he was in his own game, and Sakurai decided on Greninja before Pokemon X&Y were even announced.
>>324181786 I knew they were being shit before the whole Kojima thing went public. And getting a rep won't save them, it will only make Nintendo look bad for associating with them. Unless they clean up their act and apologies after they get the reps.
>>324181990 id doesn't have as close of ties as Namco or Square though. So the situation is still different. Also, Japan probably doesn't care about him, and that's a huge demerit against him. Well, most of Japan.
Having everything be strictly locked to specific classes was the thing that truly killed it for me. They should have just gone crazy, adding a wide variety of specials borrowed from tons of fighters on the roster and let you mix and match whatever moves you want with any normals you want and not have everything just be stuck to "generic sword guy" or "generic fist guy". Even the costumes get locked to that shit.
>>324180228 No, it will be a Konami Assist Trophy. At random you will get one character (Snake, Vic Viper, Simon, Goemon) They will then scream and explode into hundreds of pachinko balls that rain on all the fighters.
>>324164284 >crippled asian Boo-hoo. If he can't take the heat, or doesn't have the heart or interest, get someone else. This asshole will expand on Smash Tour and we'll be playing Mario Party: Smash Edition with regular Smash being a secondary minigame.
>>324179317 Probably would have gotten in over Jigglypuff if there was more dev time in 64. Then we probably wouldn't have posts in every smash thread about people ironically/unironically wishing Jiggly was dropped.
Here's all I want. >Wii Fit Trainer gone >no more than 4 FE reps >keep the exact same Pokemon characters >keep at least the big 3 third parties Additional third parties will excite me. Don't really care about which first party characters get in, they won't underrepresent their own properties anyway.
>>324184114 I certainly didn't believe he was a given, but there was definite teasing made it seem like a possibility. Who can really gauge how important him getting his own amiibo could be for the closeness of Yacht Club and Nintendo?
>>324184327 Given that there were already plenty of non-Smash amiibos and Yacht Club themselves said from the start that it meant nothing and really only happened because they begged NoA for it? I think it was safe to assume from the beginning that it meant nothing.
>>324183125 Notice how all the companies with characters in Smash are third party though. They all did something, or can do something for Nintendo. MS only gave them Minecraft. So you'd be better off expecting Steve than Banjo.
>>324184784 >Given that there were already plenty of non-Smash amiibos Only Nintendo owned characters. But granted it wasn't Smash themed. >Yacht Club themselves said from the start that it meant nothing Let's consider if he HAD been planned for Smash, they'd still have had to hold their tongues. Saying it "means nothing" could easily be interpreted as guarding their asses and not breaking NDA. Even them "begging" doesn't mean they didn't get considered for the game as cross promotion and support for the amiibo trend. None of this deconfirms him, just decreases the likelihood at most.
>>324185183 Deconfirmed, no. But given he's a tiny as fuck, western only indie character that hasn't even hit a million sales and wasn't even around for a full year before the DLC started? He never had much of a chance, and certainly was never a "sure thing".
I really don't think there's as much of a difference between Undertale and Shovel Knight as many like to think. One's appeared on Nintendo platforms and the other hasn't, that's about it.
>>324185684 >One's appeared on Nintendo platforms and the other hasn't, that's about it. That was enough to get people to completely laugh off Meat Boy as a suggestion. I'd say that's a pretty major distinction actually.
Also, Undertale is just plain done and over. Meanwhile Shovel Knight has 2+ expansions coming and have expressed a desire to make a franchise out of it. Granted more time and sequels need to happen before Shovel Knight even gets considered though.
>>324186519 >Call me when they do make a franchise of it, because that's the only really test of whether or not it has staying power. I already said he shouldn't be considered until he has more games under his belt. We're pretty much just agreeing with each other at this point.
>>324186739 I'm just sayin', I see far more people still prattling on about Undertale than I do about Shovel Knight. I guess that's anecdotal evidence, admittedly. I just think he seems like one of those fleeting indie darlings and it'll take a lot more work for Shovel Knight to begin approaching the scale of non-indie characters.
I'm going to make it parallel in style to Smash 4s new comers
Villager - Inkling WFT - Badge Arcade Rabbit Mega Man - Crash Banicoot Rosalina - Kamek Little Mac - Mach Rider Greninja - Gen 7/8 pokemon Palutena - Xenoblade character Pac - Belmont Robin - New FE Lord/PC Shulk - Wonder-Red (niche game from the last gen) Duck Hunt - Some retro rep Ryu - Heihachi Cloud - Goku Corrin - Newer FE Lord/PC Bayo - whatever 18+ franchise nintendo snipes
In all honesty, I feel the characters we have in the roster right now are perfectly fine. Only thing we need is the return of Ice climbers and Wolf. Of course other classic Nintendo reps from retro to new.
Inkling is a given at this point, and Elma popping in too to represent Xenoblade X could just a few examples of what I mean. Then just work of refining what they have and giving us more modes and content (and for the love of god bring back some form of adventure mode and TRUE classic)
As for third parties. Square, Capcom, and Sega are all in some way connected to Nintendo history (especially in the 16 bit era). Rather then trying to get the rights to someone new from a fourth company I rather they expand on what they have. Those three are perfect. Hell, just add +1 to each third party rep.
For example: >Chun-li with Ryu >Protoman, Zero, X, or Bass with Mega Man >Tifa, Sephiroth , or Terra with Cloud >Rodin, Lumen sage, or Jeane with Bayo >Tails, Knuckles, or Shadow with Sonic >Ms.Pacman skin for Pacman
Or toss a MH rep, RE rep, or even Viewtiful joe considering capcom is in the mix now. I'd love to see Wonder Red vs Joe if it ever happens.
I also like having the idea of a Horror game rep from Nintendo to show up too; either Fatal frame or Eternal Darkness.
>>324188487 I'd be mostly OK with these choices. Kind of mixed feelings on Goku. Love me some Dragonball, but the fantards it would bring to the surface would be unbearable. Maybe Kid Goku would keep the worst of them out of the public eye.
>>324169643 The DKC games with K Tool have outsold every series on that list combined, minus Mario and pokemon. DKC is one of the best selling Nintendo series of all time, so saying he's a literal who is purely ignorant.
If he came in the top on poll, and gets added in DKCR3, then I'd say he's a pretty likely lock.
>>324191000 If he gets into the next DK game then yeah I'd say his chances are good. That's still a big if, though, and he also has the chance of being pushed aside for another DK character like Dixie if she's present.
>Elma You're all my brothers of African descent. Jeanne or Balder definitely maybe Dunban. I'm sick of these literally who's from FE. I want a more diversive roster instead of pandering to the main Nintendo franchises. Wonder Red would also be a nice addition.
>>324172209 >Bayonetta winning 1st in smallest demographic >Bayonetta coming in 5th place after excluding anyone deemed not negotiable or realizable, which could be literally any amount of characters. >Not even top in Japan
>>324155741 I posted my thoughts way back, but here they are in short form:
100% Guaranteed: >Inklings Foolish not to include them. Guaranteed additions >K. Rool or Ridley After the amount of fan bullshit, they're going to happen. I don't care how delusional you say I am here. One of these two is getting in. >Takamaru There's been enough talk about him from Sakurai, all the way back to Melee. He's getting the Mac treatment for sure.
Pretty Confident Additions: >Linkle or Lana Hyrule Warriors was and is stupidly popular. Just do the math. We'll get our new Zelda character, finally, and it will be one of these two. >Rhythm Heaven Rep Been talked about enough. I think we'll get something.
>>324192027 Hyrule Warriors is a spinoff that wasn't even published by Nintendo in Japan. For all intents and purposes it's a third party game that licenses Nintendo characters. There's no way its OCs will ever be in Smash as playable characters.
>>324192813 I'm assuming Dixie was left out mainly because she wasn't very relevant at the time the roster was being decided. They were mainly focusing on DKCR since it was a huge title for Nintendo and TF was still a ways off. If Dixie were in DKCR or TF came out a year earlier than maybe things would have played out differently.
>>324196367 Problem is that they're not revealing the full results so we'll never know for sure. I understand the move though since it could potentially spoil things they plan to do in the future or just piss off people who voted for something stupid like Sora.
It's just too touchy of a subject and some people are going to get mad no matter what they do with this thing.
>>324192962 How many Mach Rider stuff made it into Brawl and Smash 4?
I would LOVE both to make it, but from a standpoint of "what kind of shit would sell copies of my game?!", Takamaru makes a lot more sense. Think about how much they changed Pit to cater to weeaboos and normies. Takamaru fits that bill way better than Mach Rider. They could easily spin that character into a Samurai Champloo/Ruruoni Kenshin type motif and it would pull in edgy teens by the truckload.
Do I want that? No, not really. I actually liked the original Nazo game, just like I enjoyed the NES Kid Icarus and wanted Pit for years. But I know that is what they're going to do -- bastardize Takamaru -- just like they did Pit. But at least it makes sense and it's as good a reason as any to get the character into the game.
The only way Mach Rider would "make sense" from a marketing standpoint (which is all Smash is now) is if they actually made the Fallout-style Mach Rider sequel everybody keeps crossing their fingers for and dreaming about. Until then, Mach Rider would just be "another Falcon" to normies.
>"He also told IGN, when speaking about her potential apperance in future games, “I’m sure we will keep her in mind when thinking about future titles.”
Aunoma likes the idea of Linkle and isn't opposed to keeping her around. Even if HW has 3rd party characters, it won't stop Nintendo. They are a different beast these days. Who ever thought we'd see Mega Man and Sonic in a mainline Mario game (Mario Maker).
There is no "lock" and your favorites can easily be cucked, inklings just need a bit of support down the line though, but i'll give you some examples.
>If DK's new game does NOT have King K Rool in it, he will be fucked
>If Ridley does NOT have a better appearance than his other M format, or doesn't appear in a new game at all, he will be fucked
>If krystal appears in a new starfox game before smash is made, wolf will get fucked
The key here is having a new game at the RIGHT time of development, that will definitely get sakurai's attention, then he looks into popularity and issues like that. Smash is now some kind of odd marketing game (even though it always was) now its just super heavy.
Also betting this will be the last one before a reboot. 64 character or so, 7 DLC, a bit of deep cuts, sorry but that's how fighting games are if you scrubs ever bothered to follow at least one other than this one.
One last thing because you guys trigger me, if the character you want hasn't had a new game in years, and sakurai isn't keen on him/her, that character is DEAD. (also indies never ever you dumbasses)
>>324198306 If the 8 player feature becomes standard, they'll probably have 4 girl variations and 4 boy variations. Considering fashion was such a big element, I'd assume they'd change up the clothes for those options, yeah.
>>324198679 I really wish characters with alt costumes or characters could have 16 alts like Little Mac. I know it's because they were easier to make but it's just unfortunate that you can have 8 Wireframe Macs out at once while you can only have four Alphs and four Male Wii Fit Trainers, just to name a few.
>>324157927 This and a Zelda newcomer, though there's no lock on who exactly the latter will be.
For veterans: - Mario - Luigi - Peach - Bowser - Yoshi - Bowser Jr. and/or Rosalina - Donkey Kong - Diddy Kong - Link - Zelda - Sheik - Ganondorf - Samus - Zero Suit Samus - Kirby - King Dedede - Meta Knight - Fox - Falco - Pikachu - Jigglypuff - Lucario - Captain Falcon - Ness - Marth - Ike - Mr. Game & Watch - Wario - Pit - Palutena - Pikmin & Olimar - R.O.B. - Villager - Little Mac - Duck Hunt
>>324202837 K Rool fans don't care one bit about king of swing. The thing that separates K Rools relevancy from someone like Isaac, is that he's from an active series that is far from dead. All it will take is a new min title to include him, and it will remove all relavncy boundaries from him.
The best move is a compromise. At this point, Dorf has had 14 years of being Heavy Falcon.
Making a real Ganon, with trident and magic projectiles is the best way to go.
Magic inspiration OoT is also cool with me. Ganon/dorf was always a sorcerer first and foremost. This obsession with swords just seems dumb to me. Even in TP & WW, he still uses magic attacks, just in different forms.
>>324203279 Unique Ganondorf is a fight worth giving up at this point. Sakurai doesn't do complete overhauls. The changes for him between Melee and Brawl are probably as big as it's going to get. He doesn't want to disappoint people who are used to it by now.
>>324199296 But the thing with Pokemon is that they don't need to replace already known characters yearly. Some of them just stand out among the crowd or are instantly liked, kinda how you wouldn't replace Pikachu or Charizard.
Greninja has been the first pokemon since Charizard itself to be instantly hailed by most as best of the Gen, even before it appeared in the Anime or Smash, even without being lore-important or appearing in the box cover and even without getting movies or anything to promote it.
In these cases (like Charizard) you just ride upon an established and most likely autistic fanbase that won't waver so easily. I sincerely doubt they'll try to make another FOTW pokemon, considering that this type of recognition is remarkably rare. And it becomes even less likely when you see that Greninja has had lots of staying power. They might add another Pokemon, but they won't remove Greninja. Just like they shouldn't have removed Mewtwo in the first place.
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