Would you, /v/?
I'll post all the official art and fanart that I have
she seems sad
I want to give her a hug and stroke her head
I feel like I ruined this potentially good fight.
I can't believe people are posting images in an image board. I mean how dare they.
Why does Bloodborne have such a nice community of fan artists?
I always wondered about this scene, as well as pic related, how many Yharnamites did it take to hunt these things down? Sorta wished we were able to see those type of hunts happen in real time
ehr its somewhat decent, boss wise its only useful against amy and rom and any humonoid boss after a visceral. I would say is useful on pvp but after a visceral they usually die. I actually prefer the blacksky eye from the dlc.
>>all that blacklisted stuff on danbooru
I want to see it, right?
>every Bloodborne thread posts fanart
Can you use it to parry?
No this is /v/ for video games you fucking autist.
>S-stop posting video game images on the video game board on an imageboard!
Please fucking kill yourself.
literally the most based boss fight in any souls games.
I think in the animation she stabs you, then hugs you, then pulls the swords out. I heard there were two kinds, a regular one, and one when it kills you
I bet you wanna giver her a bowl of eggs too, faggot
Anon the DLC is BL 65+ what are you even doing.
Fake Iosefka is a member of the Choir, she took Iosefka's place (probably same place you get in), and began to save still sane people from the ashen blood plague and turned them into ayy. She does this because she admires the kin and eventually tries on herself and fails giving you one of the umbilical chord.
I'm ok with bloodborne being retold as a coming of age teen dramedy
NO NO NO NO NOO!
NOT LIKE THIS!
I'VE CLEARED THE FUCKING ROUTE ON MY WAY TO HER AND I MAKE SURE TO DOUBLE CHECK IT.
If Maria is her distant relative and can fight as hard as she does, Annalise would theoretically be a terrifying fight
>offer her ring of betrothal one too many times
>she gets pissed
>initiates secret boss fight
>you collect sperm so she can bear a child
>but not from you
>boss arena is the throne room and long stairway
>statues come to life as mobs and/or form mazes that you have to fight/navigate
>if you have too high bloodtinge she can turn it against you
>if you gave her a lot of Blood Dregs she can use those against you
>she summons a Vileblood to play on the piano while you fight
>if you gave Alfred the summons he would help you, sacrificing himself to give you the chance to kill her
You really should have had that option
>I told the little girl about the sage house
>all those beasts are in the way, though
>I'm sure that she'll be fine
Plus, if she made it to the chapel, what would happen if she met Eileen? Eileen would probably tell her that you put down Gascoigne
Out of curiosity. What happens to the NPC's in each ending?
Do they actually survive through the ending at any point? The sunrise ending somewhat implies that they do, but it doesn't really make clear what was real and what was not.
>what would happen if she met Eileen?
She might not know Gascoigne was her dad but I'd hope there is at least a remnant of warmth in her heart and she wouldn't tell her.
That being said she'd have to learn sooner or later.
Dont know. Probably the same unrecognizable face as Viola or every cadaver
This hit me in the feels.
>People in Cathedral Ward
During the blood moon the old lady will go crazy and if you keep talking to her she'll try to get sedative and die outside, Arianna gives birth to a kin, Adaline goes bonkers but doesn't do anything, and the suspicious man stays suspicious
If you don't really talk to her she'll just disappear, and the boar won't eat her, so I'd like to think she found another way to safety
changes no matter if you talk to him or not
I got mixed up on the name, thanks for clarifying. She goes crazy anyway during the blood moon, difference is that she doesn't kill Arianna
>she'll just kneel there, muttering and laughing
Sorry about the order, I cant read moonrunes nor infer an obvious sequence
You can save the little girl. When you come back to the window later the little girls big sister is there and chastises the little girl into talking too strangers. She tells her to hush and they both survive the hunt. Don't you see anon? The only way to save them is to stay away.
You are the true beast.
It's at least long enough for several waves of hunters, yharnamites, and church staff to be born and die. Stuff like the Healing Church gradually abandoning the hunters sounds like it would take many generations
Why is she so perfect?
>Running through Yharnam with a little girl on your shoulders while a summoned, phantom Gascoigne protects you
>No sound except an orchestral version of the music box theme
Woulda been neat.
>not the hybrid literal shitting and incest discussions
No, but you can look for more in the autor pixiv account and ask someone nice enough to do that for you... for us.
There's a chance that one of the Living Failures would spawn when you 'kill' the boss, and it'll be just a random mob wandering the Lumenflower garden.
Pushing it. Arianna will tell a male Hunter that she doesn't work during nights of the hunt and to come back another night. While she tells female Hunters that they should leave as she wouldn't want to drag them down to her level.
Well we still don't know what happened to Archibald. Or Caryll. Or how Oedon lost its form. Also we don't know what humanity's new childhood looks like. But I think Bloodborne will be standalone
I want them too bleed on me
>see the beastly scourge overtake Yharnam/Old Yharnam
>watch Yharnamites hunt down and string up/crucify BSB/werewolves
>participate in the destruction of the Vilebloods
>be on hand to see the Mensis Ritual succeed/fail?
I want to know what exactly happened in Yahar'gul
>those corpses praying
>the desiccated bodies in those craters
>the villagers running away and merging into the walls
>some of them getting sucked upwards into the buildings
>that auditorium of bodies surrounding Micolash
dont worry, the hunter comes, saves the girl, kills the boar and eats it roasted with the other hunters at the tavern
He didn't act like it.
Also was the Orphan of Kos the child that was sacrificed by Gherman and Lawrence to summon the Moon Presence?
>It was the wrath of Mother Kos which formed the Nightmare
>Hamlet Villagers wish mercy upon the poor wizened child
>Whispering in the Hamlet mentions the Orphan being taken
>3 Umbilical cords involve children, 1 from Arianna, 1 from Fake Iosefka, 1 from Mergo
>Last umbilical cord is at the workshop, upon the altar (pre patch Umbilical Cord mentions a child being sacrificed I think)
I wonder if death for Great Ones is actually death. Maybe the wrath of Kos passed unto the child and was still in place through death.
Mensis accidentally make contact with Mergo
they persuade it to pull them into the Nightmare, and they hold a big party/ritual for the occasion, with all the Mensis staff putting on their birdcages and gathering around Micolash, with the townsfolk waiting outside.
the Ritual begins, and Mergo pulling the Mensis into the Nightmare nukes Yarhargul. the townsfolk sense what is about to happen and try to flee, but they don't make it, and are melted into the walls.
the Mensis begin their ritual in the Nightmare, and employ rogue Pthumerian bell maidens to guard Micolash's corpse (the entryway into their Nightmare) by giving them permission to kidnap and sacrifice Yharnamites for summons, and giving them the permission to use Church ritual materials for the necessary oomph to summon even stronger things with the sacrifice material if they deem necessary (which they do to make the One Reborn when you get too far)
orphan of kos formed the hunter's nightmare, kos washed ashore dead and wasn't in a position to do anything
the orphan cursed them on the villager's behalf. you don't get NIGHTMARE SLAIN from beating on the fishman at the start of the Village, you get it from smacking the Orphan's disembodied spirit
Goddamn why does Bloodborne have such great art direction?
I just wish the animation would step up it's game.
>he didn't act like it.
He does in two ways.
1. he keeps telling you to accept your death since he knows/thinks you will be placed in his position if you beat him which is why he fights you in the first place.
2. He has dialoge when he is sleep talking and cries talking about how he wants to wake up and escape the dream. Calling out for help to be free.
I thought my analogy was pretty clear.
It's not even the Orphan that's the host of the nightmare, it's Kos. Dreaming dead god and what not. You dispel Kos's shade and the nightmare ends, nothing happens when you kill the Orphan.
The animation is pretty damn good aswell. It can only look so good though when the framerate keeps fluctuating between 20 and 30. Dark Souls on PC has pretty good animations when you run it at 60.
that's not Kos' shade, that's the Orphan's. When you hit it, it floats to the ocean, and the narrator says "ahh sweet child of kos, returned to the ocean..." how much more confirmation do you want that the nightmare generator is the Orphan? a glowing neon sign?
you kill the Orphan's body but it lingers on as a spirit, because even in death it doesn't want to leave it's mother
You misunderstood what happened. Kos washed ashore dead. She didn't do anything. The orphan was not. It was alive. The orphan was the progenitor of the nightmare. That's why the shade you dispel after you kill the orphan is in the shape of the orphan and not Kos. It's also why the shade of the orphan is standing on the dead Kos. He wants to be reunited with his mother. That's also the meaning of Willhelms narration after you disspell the shade. He returns to the bottomless sea, a bottomless curse, to his mother. Youve finally abated his wrath at being torn from the womb of his dead mother and horribly brutalized.
Wait, it's ocean? I seem to remember it being "Ahh sweet child of Kos, returned to the sea. Accepting of all that there is, and can be."
Although I might be remembering it wrong.
Every time I try to use this weapon, I'm always disappointed. Yet when I invade in cathedral ward and lure the host to the riflespear hunter, the shots have a chance of doing 50% of their health.
Is the rifle spear mediocre or am I doing it wrong?
>Even TW3's combat looks better in motion
it doesnt, and a lot of the sword swings look pretty bad, not to mention the running animation is really stiff compared to bloodborne.
>naughty dog tier animation
the first uncharted is pretty bad in that regard, and tlou just looks realistic because it's mo-capped. try to give a look at the horse animations and it'll look like ass, model as well
>actually doing squats
>actually putting your knees at this much of a risk
my trainer at planet fitness told me that nobody should ever do squats, or deadlifts for that matter, since they place too much strain on your joints
the One Reborn is most likely just an anti-hunter measure deployed by the Bell Maidens to keep you from the Nightmare of Mensis. you got too close and their normal summons wouldn't stop you, so they pulled out a Yellow Backbone and used the resulting ungodly forces to summon a gigantic ball of summon material all at once
you can always say that the Orphan made the Nightmare by borrowing power from his mother. she's still somewhat active, since she can generate a lightning bolt on command from her son during your fight
Now I'm imagining tacticool Bell Maidens.
>"COMMAND, WE NEED BACKUP, THE HUNTER IS TOO STRONG, I REPEAT, WE NEED BACKUP. OUT."
>"SHIT! We're gonna have to use THAT ... Alright then... DEPLOY THE ANTI-HUNTER MEASURE!"
I thought that it was all the accumulated dead, whereas the villagers already there were a combination of blood and being summoned by bell maidens
Sorry, guy, apparently this song has a fraught translation history.
Here's something from a Latin teacher. Take it or leave it.
So I'm pretty far into Bloodborne now. I think I'm at the front door of the end of the main game and I've done a fair bit of the DLC. So if I have the timeline of events correct:
>Two dudes are faculty at this school
>Someone finds a cave full of superhumans
>Upon digging in the cave they find an alien god thing
>They start farming it for blood thinking it can make them superhuman too. Turns out the blood heals everthing. With the small side effect of turning the subject into a beast
>Laurence starts experimenting on the town and using Gerhman and his Hunters to cut down the beasts while Willem starts ransacking the fishing village looking for eyes inside people's brains
>They start taking children to the Orphanage to teach them alien magic..but ended up turning them into ayy. This is how the Choir started
>Laurence and Willem are at odds and they split, Laurence starts the Healing Church
>He continues to use the Yharnamites as guinea pigs and hiring Hunters to kill the ones who turn. Byrgenwerth just shuts in worshipping their lake monster. I don't know when Rom ascended.
>The Yharnam experiment gets out of control. Old Yharnam has to be burned down and Central Yharnam is closed off from Cathedral Ward. Gerhman disappears after talking to the moon.
>The Church Hunters turn weird because...I don't know
>The School of Mensis splits from Byrgenwerth and starts their own bullshit ritual of trying to ascend the same way Rom did. By contacting Kos? Or some say Kosm?
>But on the background of all this shit MP is contracting Hunters to go kill other Great One babies because...I don't know. But the hunt nights don't end until the baby is dead. At least the Hunter involved will barely remember his time in the Hunter's Dream
I admit I'm still a bit shaky on a lot of it
It is heavily implied Byrgenwerth experimented on the Great One fetus (the Orphan). This is evidenced by two things in game.
First and foremost, the presence of the umbilical cord in Byrgenwerth had to have come from some sort of great one fetus. The fact that it's 1/3 implies there are three others and their are. Byrgenwerth kept one and Laurence seemingly took the other parts and bequeathed one too Gherman (as evidenced by its presence at his shop) and the the other too Iosefka who was likely a high ranking member of the choir. The fourth one third cord comes from a brand new great one fetus (Ariannas). The orphan is the only Great One fetus (that we know of) that Byrgenwerth came in too contact with so it's not unreasonable the umbilical cord is his.
The second piece of evidence comes from the condition of the fishing village itself. Its mostly destroyed and its inhabitants, massacred by Byrgenwerth. What's interesting are the remnants. The villagers are monstrosities and, for a fishing village, didn't you notice a surprising lack of fish? But what did we see? Cavernous room upon cavernous room filled to the brim with Kos parasites. It is likely Kos washed ashore, dead, and the villagers took to worshiping her as a god when they harvested her parasites. In much the same way that the Choir used the blood of Ebrietas to "evolve" the villagers were likely "granted eyes" by the parasites of Kos. Byrgenwerth likely caught wind of the "evolved" fishing hamlet and descended upon it with brutal efficiency. The item description of the accursed brew states that the villagers were massacred and their skulls were literally ripped asunder in search of "eyes" by Byrgenwerth. What is not clear, is if the church knew about Kos herself prior too invading he hamlet. However, the bounty of her unborn fetus was too great a bounty too pass up. So they absconded with it and her parasites where they brought abducted villagers to experiment on, Maria as the research boss.
>Willem forbids anyone who's studying at Byrgenwerth from using the Blood in their research, it scares him (on account of the beasts that it produces)
>he orders Gehrman and his earliest hunters to ransack the fishing village
>Laurence and his friends think this is retarded, and so they leave to do their own thing
>the Healing Church doesn't know what they're doing at first, their early experiments are failures
>THEN, LATER they find Ebrietas, she teaches them advanced Blood techniques, and the Choir forms
>their research goes better, it eventually produces the Celestial Emmisary
>MP wants you to kill the Wetnurse, because it is keeping the MP from claiming Mergo as its' surrogate.
>the MP doesn't care about how many other Great Ones you kill or let live, it only wants you to kill the Wetnurse
What kind of disgusting reprobate would ever question the kind and noble Alfred?
You're actually pretty close on all this except the fishing hamlet is actually the first thing that happens in the timeline. It happens prior to the schism and Laurence taking his leave of Willhelm and establishing the church. The church, lead by Laurence, discover Ebrietas much later.
Yeah sorry it's at Mensis where Micholash uses it to meet Mergo. Byrgenwerth gives all the cords away when he determines the Old Blood is to be feared. It's also possible Laurence simply took them all with him.
He wanted everyone to have eyes though. He's so dreamy, always thinking of others.
He was hiding her, because she can't be killed. Basically making sure no more Vilebloods are made/formed/whatever happens.
He wasn't. He realized he couldn't could kill her so instead he stood guard over her eternally to brutally murder anyone who would make audience with her and become a new vileblood.
Highly unlikely. He knew exactly where they were, with Laurence and his associates, and never tried to recover them. In fact, Yurie, a member of the choir, was likely protecting him. Laurence highly respected Laurence even after the Schism and wouldn't steal from him. Laurence likely gave the cords away, after he ascended Rom, but regarded her as something of a failure and likely decided to proceed with other avenues of research for evolution. Clearly, he wasn't successful.
>Provost Willem sought the Cord in order to elevate his being and thoughts to those of a Great One, by lining his brain with eyes. The ONLY choice, he knew, if man were to ever match Their greatness. - Iosefka (imposter)
caps added by me. willem spent his life looking for the damn things because he believed that they were the one true path to ascendance.
Rom didn't use a cord to ascend, she was granted eyes as a gift
I hate it that NPCs have a really pumped up blunderbuss that does a good chunk of damage but you can't do that yourself even with a bunch of bloodtinge.
I want a good shotgun, damn it.
Willelm did indeed seek the cord and he found one. Why do you think he sent the hunters to the Fishing Hamlet? To recover the secrets the villagers uncovered there (Kos and her orphan and the parasites). He was successful when Byrgenwerth (Maria for sure, possibly Laurence, and likely Gherman) brutalized the village and returned with the Cord. Rom was granted eyes by Kos as stated by Micolash in his ramblings. But we know that Kos was dead when she washed ashore so she coudlnt have done it. No, it was the Cord, from Kos and her orphan, that was used to ascend Rom through Byrgernwerth. When Willhelm saw the failure he wrought he sought another path and this is where the schism occurs. Laurence still wants to use the cord and the Old Blood while Willhelm relalizes that "evolution without courage will be the ruin of our race." The failure of Rom proves that the Old Blood is to be feared and another way must be found. Laurence disagrees and leaves Willhelm, along with the Cord, and establishes the Church.
i would love to see the video of this because i know its bullshit. I have the best BT gem possible with 50 BT and I cant get anywhere near this damage. In terms of "one shot" potential the repeating pistol is king and per bullet efficiency goes to Evelyn. Blunderbuss isnt even on the chart.
what are you talking about
>Rom was ascended with a Cord, and it goes wrong
>which proves that using the Old Blood doesn't work
>Laurence wants to use the Cord
which is why he built their entire infrastructure around Blood experimentation, EVEN THOUGH according to your own theory he would have had access to several ascendance-causing Cords from the beginning, and the Great Ones periodically force women throughout Yharnam to shit out half-breed Great Ones whenever the Moon drops (all of which would supply cords)
>when Willem saw his failure he seeks another path
which is never ever mentioned or ever discussed. willem wanted to ascend using eyes on the inside, and nothing ever implies otherwise
This is what I mean. I don't want to one-shot things with the blunderbuss, but it should only be fair that a fucking shotgun does a bit more damage than pistols.
I'd be fine if it just had the same damage as those two pistols, but no. Yet an NPC can shoot you with a blunderbuss for a fuckton of damage.
Not only that but you get TWO spread-shot guns and they're still pretty much the same, unlike pistols. Shotguns got the shaft.
>My name's Ludwig, The Holy Blade
>Now I know what you're thinking
>"Is he really gonna use a Holy Blade?"
>Well, I'll let you in on a little secret...
That's real bullshit because there's nothing in the game that hints that real Iosefka wasn't as much nazi doctor as the imposter though. If anything real Iosefka is even more fucked up because she's acting all nice and innocent while being Josef Mengele trying to turn you into a goofy blue ayylmao.
You seriously don't think that the imposter has dug that huge corpse pit leading to the woods in one night do you?
>implying that the corpse pit means that real Iosefka was conducting experiments
the Night of the Hunt produces mountains of corpses, far too many for any hospital to handle. eventually you just have to dump them. tragic, but necessary
The Cord and the Old Blood are one and the same. What do you think the cord is filled with? Its filled with blood. Rom is a failure because it's stated in his own name. The Vacuous Rom. Vacuous literally means lacking intelligence and mindless. Rom is a failure. You seriously think Willhelm saw Rom and thought this is true evolution, this is our future? Of course not. That's when he realizes the Old Blood, the cords, their usage is wrong. Once again, "evolution without courage will be the ruin of our race." We'd all end up like Rom. Braindead ascended failures. Laurence disagrees with Willhelm's assertion that Rom was a failure and that the usage of the Old Blood is wrong, he thinks their usage merely needs to be perfected.
THAT is why he leaves the church and establishes the church, takes the cord, invents blood ministration and develops the Choir in secret. So he can experiment with the blood and perfect evolution where Willhelm failed. He eventually uses the cord to summon the Moon Presence when as a desperate gamble to stave off the scourge of beasts, which his blood ministration has created, but that's an entirely different conversation.
Jesus... Love this fucking weapon but I had only use it because of how easy is to parry and stagger.
>ask for proof of blunderbuss doing 1500 damage
Thats what i thought. Still though 1k damage is better than I thought. Regardless, my point still stands. It's out damaged by pretty much every pistol.
I did my first set of pvp matches today. I think I did about 7 fights and I won 5 of them with the Hunter's Axe. I guess if I was able to win the majority of my matches on the first day it means they weren't that great but still I didn't feel underpowered.
the Old Blood is N O T the Cords. the Old Blood was a relic that was hauled out of the Old Labyrinth before anything else. It's completely different
>what do you think the cord is filled with
other shit besides Old Blood, considering that the Church has been trying to use the Blood to ascend people for god knows how long, and it hasn't work yet.
>Laurence was using the Cords
again fucking no. the fact that Church staff are doing bullshit research with them (like summoning Mergo and the MP) instead of eating them, like they should, is intrinsic proof that the Cords aren't a factor in their research
The schism was as follows: Willem wanted to ascend using insight and eyes on the inside. Laurence wanted to transform people with the Blood. Willem thought this was cheating, and forbid the Blood in his research. Hence, "evolution without Courage will be the death of our race"
You can shitpost all you want but until i see video of it. I have all the ingredients and i can't make the blunderbuss do that much damage ever. Ill believe it when I see someone else do it. Until you have a video feel free too shitpost away.
I'm pretty sure that's all they did. The Yharnamites to SUPER fanatical about their holy blood to the point where if it didn't come from the church they hate it. They literally worship the stuff if Vicar Amelia's prayer is any indication. Which is strange considering she's carrying around an amulet that reminds her of the original adage "Fear the Old Blood."
>yfw you realize you subsist off the blood of your enemies and become more powerful the more you consume
>yfw you are an immortal blood drinker that decmates anything in your path through strength and magic
>yfw when you love wearing styling gothic fashion
>yfw the good hunter is dracula
The most pure blood there is essentially. In humans, they are capable of growing into any and every human tissue. If you could distill the basic essence into any Great One into i's purest form the umbilical cord would be it.
Bloodborne needs to be self contained, I can't see anyway to expand upon its story without ultimately detracting from the experience.
I'd like to see a new stand alone, but I honestly can't think of what I'd like it to be.
I am not so sure, Anon, and I do very much appreciate your response.
This theory is complicated by the nature of the Hunter's Dream and The Nightmare, but we know from item descriptions that Maria was unhappy about something, discarded her weapon, and dedicated her life to protecting something.
As you have pointed out, there isn't very much left worth saving within the fishing hamlet - a harem of hybrids and monsters. I had assumed when playing that the Orphan had pulled everything around it into an alternate dimension, The Nightmare, and thus escaped to a plane where it could not be touched by anyone else.
I assumed also that the Orphan did this without dying or being molested, as what else would Maria devote herself to protecting? The Orphan had been captured and experimented upon/killed, then she would have thrown her life away for nothing.
That's how I saw it, anyway.
Dude, guys, I had a dream where someone was actually dodging the frenzy needles from the winter lanterns.
Blood found in the labyrinth. Cures everything
The diluted stuff passed around and sold en masse.
Artificial blood created by Iosefka...somehow. Extremely potent at restoring health
Laurence got his nuns to become carriers and producers of Old Blood. Probably not as strong as the Old Blood itself but powerful enough to have a continuous restorative effect
Hooker's blood that heals wounds but also restores stamina. I'm certain there's a sex joke in here somewhere but basically it probably made her clients last longer. But isn't Arianna related to the Vilebloods? So shouldn't her blood be Vileblood too?
Found in any Hunter that have absorbed blood echos. Has sperm in it? And apparently Queen Annalise is drinking it hoping she'll produce a child of blood? What?
I don't really know other than it makes you pale and in the case of the Queen, live forever.
I think I got them all. There are more blood types in this game than I thought but I wish some of them were more clearly explained
Kin bleed white, their blood transforms as part of their ascendance
the Doll is either Kin, or a construct created by the MP as an eldritch 3D dakimakura for Gehrman and the hunters
Is Micolash the best Fromsoft NPC ever created?
Arianna's blood is stated to be very similar to the forbidden blood; now whether that's because she's a vileblood, and has imbibed a lot of the the forbidden blood, or because she is impregnated by Oedon (much like Queen Yharnam, who is assumed is the source of the forbidden blood), we don't know.
But again, we know her blood is indeed very similar to the forbidden blood.
On the topic of the forbidden blood aka vileblood, the theory is that a Byrgenwerth scholar brought a sample of Queen Yharnam's (who shows unprecedented mastery over blood magic, and had to be restrained) back with him to Cainhurst.
Yharnam's blood was believed to be so tainted with vermin that heavy imbibing of it caused the immortality that Queen Annalise has.
For whatever reason, be it that Church didn't want people to gain immortality, or that the they were worried blood teeming with vermin (which the Church knows causes ashen blood) with bring about more trouble, or that they didn't want the prowess over blood magic that Yharnam posses (and later Maria, a vileblood herself, would posses) to be common place, the Church forbid the imbibing of Yharnam's blood.
When the scholar betrayed Byrgenwerth and brought the forbidden blood back with him, the Church set up the Executioners to eradicate those who would imbibe it.
Which really, is ridiculous when you think that this is the same people responsible for knowingly unleashing the scourge of the beast, creating the ashen blood disease, and in turn burning Old Yharnam to the ground.
They clearly don't give a fuck about fearing the old blood like Byrgenwerth, so why forbid this blood instead of researching it too?