>>324145905 No, it needs Nintendo to shift its strategy away from trying to milk 20 year old games for profit.
Nintendo's strategy with the Wii of providing a cheap, no frills gaming console that was accessible to everyone was sound. They correctly recognized that there weren't enough HDTV owners in 2006 to warrant making an HD system.
The only problem is that now online has become a mainstream part of everyone's life, and Nintendo didn't adapt to the market. Pair this with not wanting to play nice with any 3rd party developers and a Wii U that isn't any cheaper than its competition, and you have a recipe for disaster.
So how to fix it? Relatively simple: > System launch price is $249 > Provide a robust online service. Annual paid subscription of $50 gets you free access to any game released on the GCN or earlier and discounts on Wii/Wii U titles. > Free online access gets you multiplayer. > Coordinate with 3rd party developers to release with current gen multiplats on launch.
If it gets games, it will sell. All Nintendo needs to do is warm up relationships with third parties and get a couple of those games that are selling greatly. There's already a rumor of the FFVII remake coming to it and will more than likely at least get bids by activision and EA.
>>324148000 >> System launch price is $249 which would mean the hardware would be on par of Xbone at best, or PS4 selling at loss > Provide a robust online service. Annual paid subscription of $50 gets you free access to any game released on the GCN or earlier and discounts on Wii/Wii U titles. shit idea
>>324145524 I'm a fucking Nintendofag and even I think it'll flop like shit, mostly because they're trying to not only make it a fucking hybrid console, and their fucking obsession with mobile recently will make it even worse. The fact they'll probably release it soon will kill the Wii U too early, too.
>>324148714 Boy, I sure do love paying a fucking fee to play games I can buy for like 2 dollars that go away at the end of the month and I don't actually own. Kill yourself you fucking retarded faggot.
>>324148787 >mostly because they're trying to not only make it a fucking hybrid console How do you know that?
>and their fucking obsession with mobile recently will make it even worse They are making six mobile games, that's not really an obsession
>>324148908 > Boy, I sure do love paying a fucking fee to play games I can buy for like 2 dollars that go away at the end of the month and I don't actually own. Kill yourself you fucking retarded faggot.
You would be paying a fee to have access to a libarary of hundreds of older games... for free...plus discounts on newer games you might have missed if you never bought a Wii or Wii U.
Yes, you can easily emulate anything N64 and earlier if you like, so if you don't think it's a good deal then don't pay for the subscription. But given that Nintendo is still charging ~$10 for 20 year old games, and most people don't have their old SNES lying around to buy an after-market $2 copy, I think there will be a big enough market for this.
>>324149089 >They already said they want to make it a mix of a handheld and a home console. No they didn't. Find me a quote that states that the NX is a hybrid between consoles and handheld and I don't mean a fucking vague quote like "we want to bridge the gap blahblahblah". I want concrete proof that the NX a handheld/console hybrid
You can't, so right now, you're making up a bunch of nonsense about a console none of us know about.
>>324149089 >They Actually no, they have not, if you mean Nintendo. All they've said it is a platform for dedicated gaming. That's it. Anything about controller, hybrid or anything is just you making up shit from rumors on the internet.
Casual mobile gaming is one of the hottest markets right now. Unfortunately, I don't see how Nintendo can enter that market given that the reason mobile gaming is so popular is because you can play the games on a device you already own for other purposes - namely, your cell phone. The other reason is that many of those games are free or dirt cheap to own.
They also squashed that one lucky move by having very few good games. Most people I know who owned a Wii had a $200 shelf ornament after the whole "look how fun it is to flail around like a spaz!" gimmick wore off.
>>324149318 The only evidence pointing to this is that Nintendo merged their console and handheld hardware development divisions a while back and their talks of having a common OS infrastructure between them for making ports easier. Of course faggots on the internet ran with this and started screaming HYBRID CONSOLE HYBRID CONSOLE from the rooftops as if this was a confirmed truth.
Maybe Nintendo just wanted the two teams working in one spot and more closely together, who fucking knows.
I have to believe that it will. Because a new Smash will be too early for people to give a shit. It's a system seller but one came out. People won't be aching for a new one. Same with Mario Kart. So what will sell this system to the general public? They got no COD, Fifa, Madden, Final Fantasy, GTA, Destiny and other third party games. That is what people want. Zelda and Mario can't sell this system to everyone. The Nintendo core of 15 million will buy it. I could see this selling worse than the WiiU. What does Nintendo have to appeal to the gamers of today? What is their advantage over Sony/Microsoft? They have worse online. They have worse third party support. Their games are good but Sony/Microsoft have games on par with them. Nintendo needs to figure out their competitive advantage and exploit it.
>>324152025 Marketing is a powerful force, man. I've always preferred Sony's approach to gaming over Nintendo but I don't care how much they sell or if they beat them. I just play the games I like. This is some cult shit.
>>324152173 >So what will sell this system to the general public? They got no COD, Fifa, Madden, Final Fantasy, GTA, Destiny and other third party games. That is what people want. Zelda and Mario can't sell this system to everyone. The Nintendo core of 15 million will buy it. I could see this selling worse than the WiiU. What does Nintendo have to appeal to the gamers of today?
Splatoon 2 Fire Emblem (increasingly more mainstream) Pokemon Harvest Moon/Rune Factory Codename STEAM 2 Non-Persona SMT games Metroid Prime New Mario game that makes use of whatever gimmicks the NX has Literally anything Zelda draws more than just a 'small core' Monster Hunter
>>324152684 >you need to fucking evolve on the already established They did that with the gamepad but people fail to see it.
>Scroll bumpers are a GREAT idea, it's the sort of stuff that objectively enhances the console without taking anything away, more like that Nintendo. Still a gimmick though and people have cultivated a narrative of "gimmick = bad".
Pokemon and Monster Hunter are two of the biggest franchises in Japan. Pokemon is a huge worldwide seller as well. Adding in the loyalty of Zelda fans and the unstoppable hype train that will be Splatoon 2...
I'm not really worried about the NX. At the very least Nintendo is going to keep their grip over Japan.
No, that's not what I fucking said. I said stop trying to milk 20 year old games for profit at the expense of the future. I said nothing about making new games.
The entire tactic of including a way to get access to hundreds of classic games and discounted Wii/Wii U games is to get people to buy the console en masse, which will motivate 3rd party developers to port games to the system. Of course, integral to all this is making the system with specs that allow for easy and cheap porting.
>>324152832 Hiromichi Tanaka: >NXの登場も含め、ゲームの主軸はますますスマホなどの多機能携帯端末にシフトしていくのではないかと思います。 I think, including the introduction of the NX, the shift of gaming towards multifunctional handheld devices like smartphones will continue.
>>324153319 >>324153318 >Most I am aware that some of them have sold rather well. I am sure MH would be enough to get japanese fans buying the NX but not western fans, at least not in massive sales. Pokemon would certainly be enough if the NX was a handheld but I am not sure that it is.
>>324145524 If its another hardware gimmick aimed at casuals like the Wii it'll flop. If Iwata's blueprint follows the "Blue Ocean" strategy thinking they'll get Wii era profits back, it'll guranteedly flop. Doesn't mean Nintendo will be out of the hardware market though but they'll most exclusively stick to handhelds while Sony dominates the console side of things.
>>324153831 >When it didn't, it was simply renamed a fad, which just makes it a flop to self proclaimed hardcores. It was bad for anyone that actually likes playing video games. Of course, this is /v/, so you wouldn't understand.
>>324153951 >Because a standard controller with scrolls wheels isn't done. That would make it a gimmick So I guess the d-pad, analog stick, analog shoulder buttons etc. were all gimmicks? >>324153963 >it'll guranteedly flop >guranteedly neo-/v/ is underage Brazilian and Mexican shitposters forever RIP
How did the GameCube get so many multiplats? It still didn't get as many third party games as the PS2 and Xbox obviously, but third party support was way better than the N64 at least. Nintendo needs to get in that position again with the NX.
>>324153831 The Wii was a fad because Nintendo wasn't able to replicate its success with Wii U. The majority of people who bought a Wii weren't gamers to begin with and they already have their smartphones/ipads to cover all of their entertainment and social media needs.
NX needs to have a good hardware specs to garner 3rd party support or its gonna flop no matter how stellar their 1st party offerings are. They are gonna have to work on breaking that stereotype of "people only buying Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games" they have brought on themselves for decades. Otherwise Sony has in the bag, and they'll never be #1 in the game industry again.
I think Nintendo has created an environment where the NX can't succeed. They would have to do a complete 180 in regards to marketing with how they handled the Wii U. Maybe they never marketed it in any aggressive way because they didn't believe in it.
It needs marketing, it needs to be affordable, and as much as /v/ hates to hear this: it needs a gimmick, because the dudebro audience which makes up like 75% of the gaming market in the US simply does not care about Nintendo and surely don't care if it's just a handheld-console hybrid.
>>324154392 It sat right in between the PS2 and Xbox in power level and ease of development.
Nintendo had impressed a lot of publishers with the development kits, so most of the AAA houses were already on board, and continued making ports available because why the fuck not. All the assets made for PS2 versions ran fine on it anyway.
Why is the Wii Mote and the Wii U Gamepad considered gimmicks?
None of the tech used in either of the devices were new for their time nor were they the first company to package that tech together like that. Still considered to be gimmicks and that's a correct label.
>>324154530 >The majority of people who bought a Wii weren't gamers to begin with
This is the crazy assumption I always come across.
You don't fucking know, and even if it was true, they might still like more of the same.
Nintendo's issue with the Wii U has primarily been that none of the people who enjoyed the Wii but aren't in the loop about games don't even know the Wii U exists, and it has no new games that appeal to these people either.
Shabby new versions of Wii Sports and Wii Fit aren't going to cut it, as they wouldn't see the novelty.
>>324154927 They were considered "gimmicks" because of how they radically altered gameplay and the development process of the games on the consoles. A scroll wheel would likely just be used for shit like quick menu navigation and wouldn't fundamentally alter the games themselves.
>>324155067 Then they would get more third party support. Just look at the Wii U's first year, when third parties tried to port shit but ran into a brickwall that was Wii U's shit tier CPU. Ass Creed, Bamham, and others running worse on a newer console than ps3 and 360. Only need for speed was notable for getting a decent port. The Watchdogs port had more time in the oven than any other version and it still runs worse than the ps3 version.
>>324154997 Only reason why PS3 didn't take off nearly as much as the PS2 was cause of how expensive it was at launch. Over the years, when it got down $300, it started selling, and by the time it got down to $200-250, they were selling like hotcakes. Of course its never going to reach PS2 level sales and neither is the PS4 cause the economy was pretty good during that time, and PS2's were relatively cheap just like the DS was everyone was buying them cause they had a lot of disposable income. Fast-forward today and that's not the case, and while I think the PS4 is selling good, I don't think it'll ever reach the PS2 in terms of sales in its lifetime because of the price point, and the differences of the economy from then and now.
>>324155174 I don't know about Japan, but in the rest of the world it failed because it doesn't support some of Vita's most unique, best games, and it doesn't support a decent streaming service like netflix or hulu or fucking anything.
>>324155343 >They were considered "gimmicks" because of how they radically altered gameplay and the development process of the games on the consoles. The Wiimote was a fucking lightgun in most scenarios. It did the same shit arcade games and some peripherals were already doing, just in a smaller, cheaper package.
>no gimmicks >decent hardware >atleast 3-5 big/good games on launch >stop living in their blue-pill bubble and join the rest of the world with basic features >easy development for devs >stop pretending "FAMRY FIRST"
It's not even fucking hard but they'll still mess it up somehow.
>>324155174 Vita TV failed in Japan cause streaming services and consoles aren't that big and most would prefer to play their Vita portably than on their 4k tv.
>>324155232 GTA is an essential game for every platform, without it, it sales are gonna be severed.
>>324155463 The PS4 will probably reach close to the sales of the PS3 but not exceed it. Again, the reason for this is because of the price, and the differences of the economy between today and during the time of the PS2. Even than the PS4 is still the most successful console of its current generation and I have a hard time thinking the NX will play catchup. At the most it'll probably exceed the Xbox 1 but will get no where near the PS4.
>>324156149 >atleast 3-5 big/good games on launch Let's be real now nigga. It's just need sports games and Call of Duty. Those are "good games" to the public. It wouldn't even need anything else and none of the shit you said.
>>324156535 >The PS4 will probably reach close to the sales of the PS3 but not exceed it. delusional nintoddler. It's ALREADY surpassed ps3's Japanese lifetime sales and selling at a rate faster than the PS2.
>>324156253 I won't deny the Wii was a juggernaut during that time and if anything, Nintendo was at their prime but unfortunately they couldn't replicate that with the Wii U because it was radically different from the Wii with the gamepad. Not to mention, there was a whole lot confusion regarding whether it was an accessory to the Wii or an overpriced console. I myself didn't think about that until I got broadband internet and searched it up. A good majority of people that bought the Wii didn't just look at it as being a necessary upgrade.
I don't mind if Nintendo was to make another gimmicky controller but for the love of god, they need to give the core gaming audience the option to play with a regular controller whether its the gamecube or a USB controll. From what I recall, I played the majority of Wii games(which numbered between 4-6) with a gamecube controller. The only games I played with the Wii Mote were LOZ Twilight Princess and Xenoblade Chronicles. Had I had the chance though I would prefer to play with a comfy controller over a gimmicky one. The Wii U's gamepad is large and easy to hold but feels awkward playing on it, has short battery life, and feels like you can break it if you play too long on it. I would prefer that Nintendo not adopt gimmicky controllers for their next console but who knows what they'll do.
>>324145524 Even as a Nintendo fan, I am expecting it to fail yes.
If its aimed at their dedicated audience: Those people already bought a Wii U, so they likely won't buy the NX unless it ends up with lots of games that they can't play on the Wii U. And even then, they might think twice since the Wii U is considered dead and its only 3 years old now.
If its not aimed at its dedicated audience: Then its doomed. There are no more untapped markets, so this would mean competing with the competition for a change, which is suicide. Just having the same third parties as the others isn't enough, too many people already took the dive and bought a PS4 or Xbox One for that reason. NO, the NX having Nintendo exclusive games would be bad here, and not good. It would mean dedicated fans likely abandoning them, leaving them at the mercy of people that buy consoles for third party games, and these people are highly fickle. Who wouldn't be? If you can get the game on the computer, they won't buy a console for it.
So really, they have two choices: 1. Get even less sales by appealing to people that already have a Wii U. 2. Or get nothing trying to get people that already bought a PS4 or Xbox One.
Confirmed too expensive. That's the launch price of the smaller Wii U system, and Miyamoto confirmed that Nintendo believes the Wii U was too expensive and should have started out cheaper.
>Provide a robust online service. Annual paid subscription of $50 gets you free access to any game released on the GCN or earlier and discounts on Wii/Wii U titles.
The true death of Nintendo.
>Free online access gets you multiplayer.
This is how it should be for EVERYTHING online. Period. Nintendo is the only one that hasn't completely fallen to scummy jew tactics yet like paying for online or services. It would be the last push that causes me to abandon them entirely.
>Coordinate with 3rd party developers to release with current gen multiplats on launch.
>>324157281 Let's be a realist here, as much as I love Sony and Nintendo, its not going to reach PS2 numbers no matter how much we wish it. The reason is because there's a lot more competition on the market than ever from smartphones/tablets/iphone that are getting casuals into gaming mobile and the economy isn't the same. At most it'll reach 60-75 million in its lifespan but no more than that. Every subsequent console release are going to continue to see a decline in sales no matter how good they are because they did everything they can on them and the economy just isn't the same anymore. The only system immune from the changes in the market is the PC as a good build can keep it sustained over an entire generation of consoles. The console market is never going to be the same again.
Honestly, they just need to learn that the West is a completely different beast than Japan when it comes to what drives sales.
People form here buy whatever the TV tells them to, it's how it works. This goes double for America wince they are absolutely obsessed with consumerism. You just have to hype up the console, spend A LOT of money in marketing and it will sell.
You don't need AMAZING games. You need games and then you need to convince people they are AMAZING. You put advertisements for it everywhere, show fake bullshots and outright lie about their features.
People will buy them, play for a while, and then move on to the next big thing on the TV. People are sheep, treat them like sheep.
>>324158409 this. That's why Splatoon sold so well - it's the first time Nintendo did a modern-style marketing blitz, and it paid off.
Now I'm not saying anything about the quality of the game, because that's immaterial. What matters is the marketing hype behind it. That's what sold GTAV, it's what sold MKX, it's what sells every big-selling game.
>>324148000 >> Provide a robust online service. Annual paid subscription of $50 gets you free access to any game released on the GCN or earlier and discounts on Wii/Wii U titles. >>>PAY MONEY FOR ONLINE
>>324145524 I don't Nintendo could possibly come up with anything that people are going to want. They're launching at the wrong time. People are perfectly happy with the existing console offerings. There is no demand for something else. This is going to be Nintendo's last fuckup.
>>324157671 I think the only strategy Nintendo has at this point is too convince the Wii U & 3ds audience to move to the NX. For that to happen its going to need very good games so good that make you march to the store or promptly order one online. A Mario game in the same veins as Mario Galaxy or Mario 64 but with more features, a Zelda game that gives you a Witcher 3 experience, an open world Pokemon game, a mature Metroid Prime, an highly competitive and hyperrealistic F-Zero game, Splatoon 2, a serious Fire Emblem as ambitious as Genelogy of the Holy War/Radiant Dawn or Smash 5 with physics close to melee. Either way if it doesn't have any of these games and they implement the amiibo gimmick but locking ingame content with physical dlc, I can't say I'll buy an NX anytime soon.
The only way for Nintendo to win this gen is to capitalize on FREE ONLINE. No Strings attached FREE ONLINE. They can jew it up with proprietary hardware, amiibos, Fire Emblem Red&Blue, "free"games with limited plays per day+buyable plays, overpriced N64/Gamecube roms, Digital versions costing as much as retail, whatever. But the only thing they can't afford to jew out is on FREE ONLINE.
Probably, it'll be a piece of shit just like the Wii U. You can't even turn the fucking Wii U tablet off without turning the whole console off. The only way to ignore it 100% is to have it fucking die and stay dead
I'm sure NX will have a gaping flaw like using it as a console will drain the handhelds battery and there's no way to charge it while playing and there's no way to play it without the handheld turned on, this IS Nintendo we're talking about here
>>324158514 Splatoon and Mario Maker are fine examples of how to make games structured around the gamepad. Sadly though they came very late when the Wii U really needed those kind of launch titles back in 2012.
The rest of the games though like Pikmin, Mario Kart 8, Wind Waker, Hyrule Warriors, etc, I never saw the need for it. Even in Xenoblade X, it just felt forced, with the sole exemption of the convenience of fast traveling, I would prefer the pro controller in every way possible to the Gamepad for these kind of games.
>>324159863 >They tried calling back Wii audiences for the Wii U and NOTHING.
Did they really try? It feels like they kept dropping the ball for several years in a row, from letting Wii go without games to failing to make Wii U attractive to casuals. They lost the core crowd by letting Wii dry up, and they lost the casual crowd by failing to market Wii U. If that's their idea of trying, NX is fucked.
Nintendo flops every time because they focus on family bullshit first and foremost. Yes, you could argue that that's what made the Wii such a huge success, but look what happened at the end of its cycle. It was just as dead as the Wii U is now. Probably even deader.
Focus on individuals. The "family" audience dont play videogames. They play smartphone flash shit.
>>324161020 That's because Nintendo abandons their consoles after a few years to focus on the next gen handheld which then gets abandoned for the next gen console. You get 1 year of trash (or "experimental") games from Ubisoft and Nintendo because "it's too hard to make a quality launch game", a few years of big budget Nintendo games then you get low budget puzzle games until the next console.
They've sold less and less since the NES. The competition has crushed them ever since the 5th gen. The only exception has been the Wii. And thats because it became a meme for a few years. If it hadnt become a fad, the real numbers would've been about 4.15 or so. Below the NGC and a bit above the Wii U.
They're doing something wrong when Sony crushes them every time. When Sony doesnt even have a damn company mascot.
>>324161439 >They're doing something wrong when Sony crushes them every time. The only real competition they have is themselves. They've become too complacent along with old staff bogging them down. Along with an embarrassingly bad marketing team and what I can only imagine as terrible communication between NoA,NoE, & HQ.
>>324161020 Yeah I agree with this Nintendo needs to move away from their family image ASAP. They don't have to go over the top in violance in their games, they just need to make more mature themes or add mature dialogues/story to some of their games to get people to come back to them. Metroid, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, F-Zero, and Zelda are the franchises I can think of that can have more meaningful/mature things added to them even if that steps up their rating. I'm sure though with the money Nintendo makes they can make new original ips as well. They can continue to keep Mario and Animal Crossing as it is and for Pokemon they should probably step it up to a T-rating by adding more content that has not been seen in the past games cause Pokemon is started to get to stale and kiddy for my tastes. Would be interesting if there was a mature story-line or interesting characters behind them rather than just beat everyone, collect your badgets and collect all 700+ Pokemon. Its too repetitive for the franchise, and for the love of god, drop Ash from the anime already.
>>324162781 The Xenoblade guy said that he's not doing a sequel next, but seeing X, anything he does will be fine. Also, a Prime like Metroid is very possible. Other than that, fuck the haters, give me a new Mario game and the first console Pokemon ever.
>>324162781 >pokemon should be T-rated the fuck are you talking about
Pokemon has always been aimed at 8-year-olds, and it still sells to that market. Yo-kai watch is aimed similarly, and also sold well. Kids games can still sell. Just accept it isn't "your" series anymore and move on.
As for the rest, Nintendo's strength isn't in telling mature/dark stories, they shouldn't even try. Just get those multiplats, that will do it. Bring on AssCreed, CoD, GTA, Fallout, Just Cause, Far Cry, and all the rest.
>>324159415 >I think the only strategy Nintendo has at this point is too convince the Wii U & 3ds audience to move to the NX.
This is doomed to fail. Wii U is barely at 10 million, and this action of wanting them to abandon it for the NX will lead to some fans abandoning them in return. So its basically guarenteed that the NX will have less then 10 million sales. Following in the N64, Gamecube, Wii U pattern.
>>324160130 After given some thought, I think it would cater to casuals, a bit. It's not the end-all solution I thought it was, I'll admit.
Casuals just want to turn on the machine, go to the store, download a game and play it online immediately without having to worry about account shit or annual fees or updates. There would still be still download/install times, although updates could be scheduled to be done automatically.
Would they need an account to use the store? I think it would be possible to just use the System ID in lieu of an account, maybe with pre-bought Nintendo FunBucks that are included with each new console? You would have to separate userdata from sysdata somehow to prevent formatting abuse.
Another problem I can see is the NX not having enough variety for people to invest in an account on console launch. I'm wary of Nintendo's coding staff. I used to think Mario Maker would be released pretty soon after it was announced, not 2 years down the lane. Porting Roms should be just a two week affair, not take fucking years Nintendo. And don't get me started on AAA launch titles, which is what Xenoblade X should have been. I guess Nintendo is too small to be a platform making company but too big to be a publisher, in our overbloated 50 Million production costs times. Same with Valve, except they just lean back and watch the bucks roll in instead of making Half Life 3.
I thought hardcore gamers would also like it, but I realize now it would invite the BR crowd that the hardcore gamers want to distance themselves so much from. It would take a fuck up of Microsoft 2013 E3 magnitude for a sizeable amount of hardcore gamers to leave Sony and Microsoft and be lured with the promise of Free Online.
>>324163115 And that's exactly the problem, Pokemon will never be anything more than that which is a damn shame really cause it has a lot of potential to explore more mature themes like they did with Lavender town in the old games. Its one of the most imaginative series out there and its being held down the ground by risk-free Nintendo. Of course so long as the latest installments of Pokemon continue to sell nothing will change with the franchise sadly.
>>324163116 Well if he's not working on Xenoblade but wants to work on an ARPG more geared to the west I have absolutely no problem with that.
>>324163176 Yeah there is not much to do but to accept it sadly. I still play the older games every now and then exclusively for the gameplay but so much missed opportunities in what they can do with the characters and themes that inhabit the world, again, they don't need over the top violance/sex added to them, all I want is a feel to the world and characters in a more meaningful context, don't care how its presented, so long as the Pokemon games give me something to care about aside from the few Pokemon that I train. Would be great if there was some Ghibli Studio-like narrative or something added to it that makes you empathize with the Pokemon and characters in the game.
>>324158283 >N64 had third party support and Gamecube had third party support out the ass >N64 third party support out the ass EL OH EL
I can give you the GameCube, but the N64 was basically a Nintendo/Rare box. Most third party developers were making games for the PS1 after Nintendo decided to stay with cartridges.
Konami outside of Goemon didn't give the N64 real support (Castlevania Simphony of the Night, Silent Hill, DDR/Beatmania/Pop 'n Music Ports, Metal Gear Solid, Parodius).
Capcom developed for the PS1 (Megaman Legends 2, The Misadventures of Tron Bonne, Mega Man X 4/5/6, Strider, Street Fighter/DarkStalker ports). And some of those games even got a Saturn release but not a N64 release.
SquareSoft pretty much abandoned Nintendo by that point and I don't think they even developed a game for the N64.
While the N64 had some neat gems developed by Treasure; it's still a pretty shitty system if you aren't into Nintendo games.
Now that I think about it, will they even make a new Smash for NX? It's only been a year since Sm4sh came out and all the DLC characters aren't even out yet. And NX might come out sometime this year or year
Seems far too early to make a new one and it will be even worse if the NX fails too
>>324164943 okay you fucking retard, I'll spell it out for you:
attempting to do both essentially means that they're focusing on handhelds because the 3ds wasn't as catastrophic as the wii u was, all they're doing with this hybrid bullshit is attempting to convert some of their home console audience into their handheld business so in the future they can drop home consoles altogether
>>324164083 The earlier Fire Emblem games were relatively mature up til Radiant Dawn. Right after that Awakening took the series a couple steps back. While it did refine gameplay, and the artstyle, the story was very cliche and very immature, and the majority of characters are walking anime tropes. On my first playthrough alone it felt like one of the most immature rpgs I have ever played, only one that comes close to it in being mediocre is Fallout 3 and that's not saying much. The only way the Fire Emblem series can return to greatness is if its similiar to this game.
Now if the Fire Emblem series were to have a plot and world similiar to Genealogy of the Holy War with memorable characters like that of Path of Radiance, I'm pretty sure it can be a solid SRPG. Sadly it won't be.
>>324165187 >is attempting to convert some of their home console audience into their handheld business It's the other way around, you absolute moron. Their handheld business is the one going well, so they're trying to lure users into the console side since the NX allows them to play the same games in the console with higher res and better graphics. They're not focusing in one or the other, they're doing both at the same time.
>>324165038 Depends on how long the NX sticks around. If it stumbles right out of the gate and gets canned in 3 years (which is very possible) then of course it doesn't get a Smash Bros.
On the other hand, if it miraculously takes off and lasts another 5-6 years, then sure, it'll get one towards the end of its lifetime. Or maybe a port of Smash4 with all the DLC included is more likely.
>>324164547 Again, it doesn't have to be "dark" it just needs something meaningful you're gonna care about in the long run. After collecting all 700+ pokemon and exploring everything in the latest games there isn't much else you can do except battle people online. It gets repetitive and fast and there's really nothing you're gonna care about except the gameplay and the few pokemon you're training.
>>324164547 >Japan's gaming industry isn't obsessed with turning everything grimdark.
exploring mature themes means turning everything grimdark? Even fucking anime tries to explore mature themes every now and then, why can't Nintendo?
I could understand if kiddy casual games were working out for the company, but the Wii U is proof that its not fucking working. I'm starting to think the people working in that company are ACTUALLY retarded.
It'll be twice as powerful as PS4 for the same price as it'll be made with 2015 hardware not 2011 hardware, will have an android OS and allow it to install any google app and be a partner with the new handheld which will be able to work as a Gamepad for the console, the system itself will come with standard controller that has a trackball thing and rear paddles and be a combo of the steam controller/xbox elite and dual nunchucks.
>>324165889 Anime has always been lightyears ahead in Mature themes in animation whether its romance, action, suspense, comedy drama, it has it all. Not all of it is perfect, and for every good anime there's a dozen of cliche ones but if you look at some series made in the past like GTO, Akira, Rose of Versailles, Code Geass, Barefoot Gen, Princess Tutu, Stop Hibari-Kun, Trigun, etc, there's a lot of series that give you characters you'll care about even up to today.
But as for Nintendo, they are gonna have to pave the way for a bigger variety of games. Like I said earlier, there games don't need violance or sex in them, they just need a more mature atmosphere to them to bring back older games to them. Not all of their series have to incorporate mature themes as some like Mario and Animal Crossing should remain family friendly and enhanced in terms of gameplay but there have a horde of series they can experiment with to try something new to them. I don't know they have half of their franchises aimed at family audience and casuals and the other half aimed at teens and adults. If they can bring more of the adult audience to the fray, which makes up the majority of gaming anyway, they'll have found their audience. It won't be big like the Wii era, but it'll be better than another flop like the Wii U was(sadly).
>>324167021 What they just need to do is remove the DLC portions of them, just sell fucking figures. That's what anybody is buying them for, anyway. Literally nobody cares about getting some gay ass yoshi skins, they just want to own physical Captain Falcon merch.
$249 is $100 cheaper than the PS4 this holiday season and $150 cheaper than its launch price. Realistically, the NX probably has to launch at $299.
I'm curious how you think Nintendo can release a console that can support current-gen multiplats to build its 3rd party library and come in at under $200.
The problem with the Wii U isn't that it's $249, the problem is that it's a slightly upgraded Wii with an expensive tablet controller tacked on. The other problem is that it's marketing to a casual consumer base. These people remember how their Wiis collected dust after 6 months because after Wii Fit got old there was nothing else to play... and Candy Crush is free.
> [paid online is] The true death of Nintendo...Everything online should be free.
What pays for the cost of servers? The maintenance? The security?
One of Nintendo's biggest weakness right now, besides 3rd party multiplats, is they have a crappy online system in an age of online gaming. But that's also because they don't charge anything for it. From a business perspective they can't just decide to bleed money providing a free online service because it rustles some people's Jimmies. Sony could have dominated the XBone even more if they kept their online free for multiplayer, but the math just doesn't work.
If anything, offering a library of old games for free might not be enough to lure people into the paid subscription to cover the costs.
>>324167178 Remember when the WiiU was announced, and they had all those devs talking about how innovative it was, and how much potential they saw?
They'll do the same thing. And Ubisoft will shit out a half-assed new IP and a few ports of last-gen games for the launch, nobody else will do much of anything, and then all the 3rd parties will go back to Sony/Microsoft like last time. Like every time.
>>324166556 PS4 and X1 have the majority of dudebro gaming audience with them, they aren't going to be swayed to the NX no matter how powerful it is. Only way the NX is going to work is if there is something unique and new to it AND if it has interesting games at launch. And yes, Nintendo's gonna need all the nostigia-fags, Nintendo fans, and otaku they can get because that'll determine if Nintendo has a future in the console market or not.
>>324167476 >I'm curious how you think Nintendo can release a console that can support current-gen multiplats to build its 3rd party library and come in at under $200. Superior Nippon code folded a thousand times?
Anyway, devs better start getting busy with code optimization since console hardware now has to meet certain power saving regulations. You can't just keep throwing cores and Nvidia cards at shit and call it a day.
No. Back in the day when Mortal Kombat came out for consoles and Doom was in full-swing, there was a big media hooplah over the gore in games. Nintendo elected to censor MK1. Sega did, too, but released an optional code that unlocked the blood. That's what started the kiddy image.
The image continued when Sony was willing to let developers push more boundaries with more mature, realistic games on the PSX.
>>324168648 Not really. $250 was a mistake for such a piece of obsolete hardware. If the NX is competent enough, it'll be more expensive. They can afford to sell them at a loss though, so it better is competent.
>>324148000 I don't know why everyone is shitting on this. He's right about the subscription. Not for online access, mind you. But a subscription that just grants you access to ninty's entire ROM backlog? People would absolutely go for that.
Of course, they also need to not fuck up the virtual console again in order for this to be worthwhile.
>>324168648 >When are people going to accept that Nintendo isn't going to compete with the other consoles?
When is Nintendo going to accept that this strategy is literally never going to work? The Wii was successful on a fluke, it's not going to happen again. They're chasing a market that doesn't exist anymore.
The Wii U is proof that Nintendo's fanbase is not enough to make their consoles successful. So who IS their demographic? Children? Phone games. Teenagers? Those are all playing console shooters. Young adults? Obviously not. So who? Do they seriously believe that they can be successful again by pandering to 30 year old nostalgiafags? Are the Nintendo execs fucking retarded?
I don't see how it succeeds unless they catch lightning in a bottle again with another gimmick like the Wii. It's just too late in the generation to throw your hat in the ring again. Too many consumers already have a console and aren't going to be swayed by anything short of another revolution. Just making a console up to par with the PS4 isn't going to cut it since people already have that in their living rooms. A console/handheld hybrid isn't going to cut it as it's just the logical progression from the Wii U, which already failed. Trying to surpass the PS4/XBone in power would make it too expensive, which would be a death sentence this late in the game. It has to be cheap, and it has to be flashy and gimmicky and get mainstream attention like the Wii did.
In a perfect world, Nintendo would have just stayed the course and waited for the next gen, when they could have just released a true proper game console without an obnoxious gimmick. Instead, they're in no man's land and an obnoxious gimmick is pretty much all they can rely on.
>>324169149 nah, i would say 60% Sonyggers and 30% PC the Sony Fanboyism has been getting bigger lately you can't talk about PC or PS without ending in console wars and nintendo threads are shitted on by sonyfags a lot of times which then ends in nintedofags starting being retarded this place is getting shittier and shittier everyday
>>324159441 it's balanced out by all the 'Nintendo is doomed' shitposting. Also you don't see nearly as many posts claiming the NX is going to be the best selling system of its generation, mostly just Wii U / 3ds defense, or shitflinging at Sony/MS.
>>324170178 The U failed for a lot of completely unrelated reasons. People actually love the tablet. Go check Miiverse. And the PS4/XBone were obsolete hardware at release day, so it wouldn't. The 3DS is already dying, so making the NX a console/handheld hybrid guarantees its success.
>>324170478 Yes, anonymous, I'm sure people are rigging the strawpoll about what gaming platform they like the most on a chinese cartoon imageboard. I'm glad you're here to shed some light on strawpoll fraud.
>>324170202 If they don't fuck it up and they release it with enough great games in the horizon, it could be great. I'm hyped at the possibility of getting to play all those handheld IPs in a console, if it really is a hybrid.
>>324154905 Get one. We won't get news for months, and at the earliest we're talking about a late summer release. Probably not even until next year. You could be playing those games and more meanwhile.
>>324171235 I literally told you: >the possibility of getting to play all those handheld IPs in a console, if it really is a hybrid Of course it's only speculation at this point, that's what hype is all about.
>>324170690 i didn't meant it that way, a poll isn't really accurate, because it isn't always the whole /v/ that's voting, yet certain anons that saw the thread, which could lead to inaccuarate results
>>324169789 Its obvious. They are saying the NX won't "replace" anything, cause they aren't going to dedicate that many resources to it. Its a even more experimental idea then the Wii U was. Its goal is simply to convert more people into Nintendo fans. Fans as dedicated as the people that made the Wii U reach 10 million.
If the NX fails, its not big deal cause they didn't invest enough into it to lose that much.
If the NX succeeds, their dedicated Nintendo fanboys will increase. Then they will begin to convert it into a proper Nintendo console and have it replace the Wii U, with all first party and no third party games again, which will then proceed to reach 20+ million console sales while people continue to whine about no third party games. Nintendo survives even better, nobody gets the change they wanted, and doom sayers get destroyed and start calling the NX a fluke accident.
Either way, Nintendo isn't changing. They just want a way to make more dedicated fans that will buy their consoles, without the risk of it failing and costing them for it.
>>324171951 >that it will include VC for all the past handheld games, and also it will be free What the fuck are you even talking about? I said that I'm excited that tipically handhed only INTELECTUAL PROPERTIES will be playable on a console.
Guess what? You are speculating that it won't be a hybrid without any bases too, retard.
>>324172000 again, it's not the sony fanbase. It's the anti-nintendo fanbase, which often false-flags as sonyfans. There aren't that many true sonyfans on the board, just as there aren't that many xbots - just people who hate nintendo.
Similarly, there's no actual hatebase towards sony - it's just nintendofags who are pissed about getting shat on all the time and lash back at anyone.
>>324172596 >it's not the sony fanbase. It's the anti-nintendo fanbase >there's no actual hatebase towards sony - it's just nintendofags who are pissed about getting shat on all the time >it's not real bro, its just the other fanbase the shit on i assure you that with all the people that browse /v/ there is it's well know that PC and Sony hate each other but this is less related to what i was saying Sony is the one that shits on others the most, and even with taking the false-flags on account, i think it it's too much shitposting to to be exclusively made by false-flaggers
Is Nintendo building western relationships or expanding western development?
the west is like the last (albeit biggest) region that's gonna buy a closed platform home console in modern day, yet it looks like they have negligible interest in building western studios bar some Universal Studios park attractions
Sony saw the writing on the wall and built relationships with western developers. nintendo basically neutered their western branches GCN era and turned inward, bar telling Retro to make more mascot games despite having too much of that already
>>324173959 I love the argument that any game you don't like is automatically a negative against another company. Same with multiplats and how they never count.
This is why your stupid shitbox is failing. Even the consumers don't understand. Sony will continue to strangle Nintendo's corpse while MS jacks off into their mouth and PC shits in their eyes. You obsess over the very things that HURT the company and dismiss the stuff that succeeds for everyone else.
Personally, I think by "merging the handheld and console" means we are probably getting two devices, a hand held and a console, that both run on the same OS, and the console can play all the handheld's games, but the handheld can't play all the console's games. Sort of like the Turboduo and the Turbo Express, though not exactly the same because that talk of "industry leading chips" from a while back makes me think the console version won't just be the handheld in a different case.
>>324177774 The rumor says the handheld is the main thing, and you can dock it in the console to boost its power, so the games would have different graphic setting depending on if you're running it into the handheld or in the console.
what i wonder is in the case NX fails and nintendo almost dies(if it happens, what will probably not but still) will Nintendo continue to make games to other platforms or will it die with all of it's franchises? i think that the second one is the most probable one, looking at how everything is today
>>324168648 >>Miyamoto: "We aren't trying to compete with the other consoles." This worries me as it still seems like they are chasing a ship which sailed .
They will never get the Wii crowd back, smart phones are where these people go for that now and it will only advance in that way. The only chance they would sort of have with that is a nintendo tablet but their attempt at that made a fisher price toy cause they don't understand it.
>>324180906 I don't see how. Most Nintendo games with DLC are complete experiences when they come out, and the DLC is developed after the game, instead of chopping content to be sold later. Maybe Amiibo Festival? And even then, I'm sure that Animal Crossing fans are enjoying the figurines more than the game.
>>324148000 Honestly I think this is solid. As far as the whole "GCN or earlier" subscription, I don't think it's impossible for Nintendo, but it doesn't sound like something Nintendo would do. Maybe complementary games for the service like Games with Gold or PS+ that would include VC releases, but the whole catalog?
But Nintendo definitely needs to cooperate with 3rd parties better. You can't look me in the eye and say that hardware was the downfall of the Wii U when so many new games released on last-gen hardware. It wasn't because of the lack of power; it was because Nintendo didn't work well with third parties developing on the Wii U.
>>324182063 The problem with third parties and Nintendo is that their work ethic doesn't match up. Nintendo is make sure everything works fine on release if something comes up fix it immediately. People like Ubisoft now, they're more get it out now and fix it later. As long as people buy it we're set.
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