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Did you guys think that could be cool if Sonic have another "Super" transformations?

Just Super Sonic is a little boring.
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>>324145120
So would super sonic god super sonic just go back to blue
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>>324145120
lets just completely rip off dbz now
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>>324145208
it would be blue, but it would be cyan
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What about hyper sonic?
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>>324145120

He already has a level above Super you dipshit, Hyper Sonic with the power of the Super Emeralds.

He also has Darkspine and Excalibur.
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>Hyper
>Darkspine
>Excalibur
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The Archie comics have more transformations?

Excalibur-Sonic is just Super Sonic using an armor and sword.
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>>324145991

Archie only had Super and some other one-off form early on for Sonic.
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the fuck you typing about kid

sonic has a new super form in most of the modern games

stop playing emulators on your phone and pay more attention in class
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It doesn't fit him so well
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>>324145991
Archie used to have a million different super transformations but they all got thrown out about 9 years ago. Super Sonic himself hasn't appeared out of the Mega Man crossovers in about 8 years.

>>324146797
The only "new" ones were in Secret Rings and Black Knight, neither of which have appeared outside those games.
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Hyper Sonic from S3&K you daft chid.
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I love darkspine sonic - I think sonic should embrace his inner darkness more to be honest.

The darkness yields true power and Sonic should use it to kill those who have done him wrong like he did in the secret rings.

In secret rings his anger and hatred gave him power, more power than the light of super sonic.
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>>324147727

t. Coldsteel
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>>324147727
Watch the edge


What's the difference between hyper and super sanic? Besides one using the super emeralds obvi
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But then it wouldn't be so special.
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>>324148084

Super is canon.
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>>324148084

Hyper Sonic can eliminate everything near him in a blinding flash of light.
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>>324147390
meh Super Tails was better.
Same invincibility and speed, tails usual flying and a pack of killer birds that themselves were invincible.
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>>324148084
Hyper sonic jumps higher and gets that sick double jump/blast where he boosts in the direction you push.
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>>324148084
I don't think hyper is canon at all.
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>>324145120
Super Forms are shit and lazy
I'll only be fine if it's something you can use during gameplay and adds something other than "Oh, you go faster and are invincible now"
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>>324148084
Hyper kills enemies faster.
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>>324148315
>Same speed
>Doesn't have the immediate tp speed boost when jumping

You can clear stages much faster with Hyper Sonic.

>>324148338

Hyper is canon, Knuckles says during the FINALHAZARD that he doesn't have enough energy to use his super form, alluding to the fact he's gone Super previously, which needed the Super Emeralds.

>In before Shadow said that line!

Shadow only says that line in the dub because they fucked up. In the original Japanese, Knuckles says it, and Shadow is in his fucking super form when he says it which should clue you in that a mistake was made.

Yes I know how autistic I'm being.
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>>324148401
Well it's a good thing that they are optional and aren't invincible at all.
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>>324147727
the comic super sonic is a mad dog killer
sega hated it
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Am I the only one who find Sonic transformations fucking dumb and the gimmick of most tru end bossfight really boring
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>>324145420
this
we don't need different sonic saiyan power levels
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>>324148401

Super forms are optional in Colors onwards.
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Yeah, give him another transformation!
Then after that he'll transform again!
Turning into Super Ultra Mega Galactic Hyper- uh
Fuck it!
We'll just call him Jesus the Hedgehog!
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>>324148794
You're not a special snowflake, no.
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>>324148897
This, Super Sonic was a mistake
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>>324148957

The problem was that Sega felt like they needed to shoehorn a Super Sonic fight in every game after S3K/SA1.
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>>324145120
yeah, sure, like werehog sonic
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>daycare during summers in elementary school years
>they have a genesis with sonic 3
>the group I hanged with was full of "beat the elite 4 100 times then you unlock mewthree" type kids
>"you know anon if you get 200 rings you can become purple super sonic" (basically they thought there was a super sonic for each emerald color)
>a few weeks later
>taking turns
>my turn
>get 200 rings
>"LOOK GUYS I GOT 200 RINGS!"
>still normal super sonic
>"oh I forgot, it was 210 rings anon"
>
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>>324147727
Pshhhhhhhhh
This sounds like Tails get Trolled
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>>324149162
werehog sonic was cute
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>>324149509
>never again since the fanbase is a mix of autistic adults and their autistic offspring
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>>324148823
>>324148794
Iam pretty sure Sonic and Shadow needed to turn super in order not to kill himself or get himself easily killed since most of the end bosses surround themselves in areas/fight in out of livable areas that could stop or kill sonic on a normal bases if he tried

for example, regular sonic wouldn;t survive trying to beat the bosses in space, on liquid lava, a rip through a mystical dimension or time, and the sky over a dark bottomless pit..
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>>324149668
GHOST BLOWJOB

WOO WOO WOO
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>>324149770

The Time Eater could've easily been fought from where ever Sonic's friends were yelling about homing attacks.
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>>324149770
you're misunderstanding me
super sonic/silver shadow is fine
what i'm saying is that we don't need multiple levels of super like in DBZ
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>>324150012
we need them because how else is Sonic going to adapt to the greater bads of those settings with the positions given to him and the hand he was dealt?
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>>324150230
Really
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>>324149770
It's a video game. Sonic only "needs" Super Sonic because the plot said so, because the developers wanted to make a Super Sonic fight. Look at Colors. They could've designed the final boss so you're flying in space and have to beat it with Super Sonic, but they chose not to.
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>>324151320

>They could've designed the final boss so you're flying in space and have to beat it with Super Sonic, but they chose not to.

Sonic Team did, at least. Dimps on the other hand...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O848gqPoj-U
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>>324145120
Super modes are so 16-bit.
Fusions are where it's at!
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>>324147390
No longer canon. Along with Super forms for Tails and Knuckles.
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>>324153507
>no longer canon
>still in the remakes
wew lad
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The issue isn't Super Sonic being the only form. It's just that he's extremely underwhelming. They need to make him more dramatic and an absolute last resort when all else is lost to hype him up.

The most he ever gets is the 5 second spinny camera super transition which is... kinda boring to watch. And if his abilities got powered up with more visuals that would make him better too.

ST has honestly just been lazy with him.
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>>324153752
There are no official S3&K remakes, only emulated ports.
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>>324154217
The last time super sonic was used great as a last resort to fix the problem at hand was unleashed. And everyone complained that it sucked and that running around laps chasing an egg nega and clones forever is a better final boss
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>>324153752
Iizuka confirmed Super Emeralds were gone as of Adventure and likely won't be returning.

Also, has said only male hedgehogs can go super with the only exception being Blaze. Head writer of the Archie Sonic comics states that is the case as well, since he has to follow general mandates from SoA/SoJ.
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>>324154589
That's because the execution actually did suck. Easily the worst Super Sonic fight, even 06 and Generations weren't as bad.
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>>324154589

Nega Wisp Armor was refreshing since it was the first time in forever that Eggman was the final threat. Rehashing that fight for LW was retarded, however.
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>>324154861
What the fuck, hell no. For me it goes

Adventure 1 > unleashed > sonic 06 > heroes > adventure 2

Youre calling the final generations boss better than it? Get the fuck out of here
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>>324154589
Well they're probably talking about the split boss battle gameplay between fun, fast Super Sonic and slow as fuck all, anchor feet Light Gaia.

The cinematics and suspense during the transformation was good, but it could have been better. I have a vision of a SSJ type transformation (but less dramatic of course) when Sonic just goes ape shit, but again, ST is too lazy for that.
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>>324154861

>Time "can't see shit and homing shots" Eater better than anything
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>>324154589
How many presses did that QTE require again
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>>324154963
Actually unleashed had a dual type of fight: werehog vs eggman while spiraling down the center of the earth, and super sonic/light gaia against dark gaia.

>>324155130
I like the weighty feel of light gaia since it feels like its a really heavy object and portrays how far away they are from dark gaia. And darting around the shield taking out the snakes with all the action in the background was great
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>>324145120
He has plenty of different super forms though.
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>>324150230
by not pulling a deus ex machina?
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perfect chaos > finalhazard > metal overlord > gaia >>>>> time eater
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>>324154861
>06
>half assed side scroller boss
>Generations
>unfinished "its a homing attack" frustrating controls boss

Now you're just being ridiculous anon. Unleashed boss was very complete and did something fun and different. Homing in at high speed and destroying the weak spots around his force field was fun as fuck, and that Xx50 QTE was well placed.

The light gaia parts were shit yeah, but still better than those 2.
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>>324155190
F I F T Y
I
F
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Give Sonic a stand.
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>>324155861
>06
>half assed side scroller boss
>Generations
>unfinished "its a homing attack" frustrating controls boss
Yes, they were bad. And Unleashed's was worse. Fuck that annoying piece of shit.

>it's good because it's different!
No, being different does not automatically make it good.
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>>324148590
Knuckles uses the chaos emeralds to go super. The super emeralds turn him into Hyper Knuckles. The only aesthetic difference is that he leaves after-images. He also has a screen-clearing abilities.
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>>324156576
You have terrible taste, seriously. generations is a new low for sonic bosses
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>>324145120
>Hyper
>Darkspine
>Dark Super from Sonic X
>Excalibur

Oh yeah. He totally needs more. The fuck are you on, OP?
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>>324157067
Generations will forever be second-worst so long as Unleashed's Super Sonic fight still exists.
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>>324156576
I think you need to replay Unleashed's and Generations final boss. The difference is night and day.
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So if Super is Super Saiyan and Hyper is Super Saiyan 2, what form is Super Saiyan 3?
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>>324157148
I completely disagree, but if thats what you think man then go ahead

Unleashed had a perfect final level, cinematics, thematics and scenes, story ending, and boss fight
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>>324157491
It was perfect up until you got to the point where you were actually controlling Super Sonic. Everything else was good.
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>>324157603
If you say so nigga
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Super Amy when?
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>>324148084
these guys are right>>324148270, >>324148337, but he can also breathe underwater
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>>324157903
Only male Hedgehogs
which somehow includes 3 different machines, one of them that doesn't even resemble a hedgehog but still
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They did that for a while with the Storybook games and Darksspine Sonic is fucking fanfiction tier.

Excalibur Sonic was dumb too but at least in a campy, fun kind of way
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>>324157270
Base=SSJ
Super=SSJG
Hyper=SSJGSS

Darkspine=False SSJ
Excaliburn=Adult Goku w/ power pole.
Dammit I miss that power pole. ;______________;
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>>324158412
Merlina and amy were so cute in black knight
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>>324158125

And a cat.
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>>324158575
Blaze doesn't use Chaos Emeralds for her super
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>>324158412
>Darkspine sonic was fanfic tier
He was the .5% of fanfic that's worth reading. Guy finally threw a punch.
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>>324158412

Erazor fucked with his weenie genie. That shit doesn't fly.
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Super Eggman when?
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>>324159389
He uses the chaos emeralds to make super creations, not go super himself
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>>324145120
>Super Sonic God

Would Super Sonic God Super Sonic be a glowing saturated blue or would he be green for dramatic effect?
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What would happen if he absorbed the Sol Emeralds?
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>>324145120
Nigga looks like Perfect Nazo
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>>324159616
He'd be Solar Sonic.
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>>324159518

>or would he be green for dramatic effect

they'd have to pay royalties first
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If Sonic can use Chaos Control like Shadow did in SA2 why does he charge into shit like a retard when he's in Super Form instead of doing something like a Chaos Blast or Chaos Spear or Chaos Anal Rupture
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>>324159984
the hell is that behind him
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>>324159616
That fire sonic shits from the super mario bros z thing.

So basically Super Sonic with fire powers.
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>>324160074
Because Shadow has more midichlorians basically
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>No Sonic X 1-hour special for Generations
where 90s Sonic drawn like the OVA.
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Secret rings best game
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>>324160324
That was hype I hope that shows up in the remake
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>>324160184

His new, sure to be a hit, graphic novel.
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>>324160507
We can only hope.

I can remember when it first happened. Boy that was amazing.
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>>324154831
>>324147390
Super Emeralds aren't gone. The title "Hyper Sonic", no longer exists. But ever since Sonic 3&K, Sonic's Super form has been the same as his Hyper form. Sonic's Hyper form is what allows him to defy gravity. Regular Super Sonic only makes him invincible. That's why Hyper Sonic gets the double jump. And that's why Hyper Sonic can propel himself in space, or even just in the air.

The chaos emeralds were powered up when brought in the presence of the Master Emerald. Turning them into super emeralds. But in reality, the "super" emeralds are just emeralds restored to their normal form. So it becomes unnecessary to refer to them as "super", when they're in their normal state.

Hence, it's unnecessary to refer to Super Sonic as "Hyper" Sonic. When his hyper form, is really just the true Super form.
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>>324161393
Wrong. If you play S&K separately or finish S3&K with all Chaos Emeralds and having not gone to the shrine after Launch Base (which is hard but possible), Super Sonic goes through Doomsday Zone.

And besides that, Super Sonic was bound by gravity in Adventure 1 too.
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>>324154217
What? No. Super Sonic was the best when you could transform as him at any time, so long as you had 50 rings. People loved Super Sonic because it was a reward for the player. After mastering the game, you are then allowed to exploit it with this super cool form.

Sonic Team needs to actually make Super Sonic properly playable again. Stop shoving him at the end of the game with the bullshit cartoon drama to try and make it seem more important.

Make it another fun reward for the player FIRST, and then if they want to do the story bullshit second, then fine.
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>tfw shahras voice makes dick diamonds
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>>324161963
I don't count gameplay considerations to dictate the canon. If you hook S&K to Sonic 2, then you can play Knuckles in Sonic 2. That doesn't make Knuckle's venture in the Sonic 2 world canon. Similarly, only playing half the game wouldn't make Super Sonic in Doomsday canon. Nor would skipping the completely intended shrine sequence count as canon either.

Especially considering the mural in the shrine, of Sonic fighting Eggman. I doubt the mural was depicting Sonic using the power of the emeralds in their depleted forms.
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>>324162116
Super Sonic has been playable in every main game since 2010 and has only been a final boss exclusive in 1 of those games in the past 6 years. You clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

And you're very wrong if you think that in any game, regardless of the tone or audience, it doesn't need to have an enticing story.
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>>324162874

You're putting more thought into this than Sonic Team does.
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>>324163378
Or maybe you never thought of these things that were there the entire time? So now you're feeling a little weird about being confronted with this information.
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>>324163727

I've heard this shit before. They make enough sense but you know damn well Sonic Team doesn't give that much of a shit about Sonic's continuity.
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>>324162894
I'll admit, I haven't fully played a Sonic game Since 2010. I dabbled with Colors and Generations. That's about it. So sorry if I'm wrong about those games. From what I'm aware, You can transform into super forms in those games, except Super Sonic will automatically fly through regions. So you're not really playing as him. You're just kind of summoning him, and he does his own thing.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

>And you're very wrong if you think that in any game, regardless of the tone or audience, it doesn't need to have an enticing story.
I believe in developing player action first, and then building a story around that. Not the other way around. I feel like if your levels aren't built to handle Super Sonic, then they're probably shittily designed level. That would mean that you didn't take the time to actually give the player any real control.

I don't care if developing Super Sonic takes away from the story. I would rather have more things to do, than worry about how many cinematics play at the end of the game.
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>>324164348
It's really not far fetched to think that Sonic Team intended the story to take place over both games, and for the player to go to the shrine. I doubt Sonic Team is so dull minded, that they would find such a thing too complex to consider.
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>>324162874
Except the only reason why the Super Emeralds and Hyper Sonic/Hyper Knuckles/Super Tails exist in the first place is because S3&K was split into two games instead of released as one as intended. This is why they were retconned now because Sega treats S3&K as a single game instead of two. Hyper Sonic and the Super Emeralds simply do not exist, they were added as a neat bonus as an apology for not releasing it as a complete game and nothing else.
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>>324164776
Let's say the game did come out as a single package. From what you're suggesting, that would mean they intended to only have 7 emeralds across all the levels. And the whole thing with the shrine powering up the emeralds were never supposed to happen.

That sounds too far fetched. It makes more sense to me that they planed the whole thing with the emeralds from the onset.
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>>324164412
In Colors you have 100% control over him and stages are even slightly adjusted just so that you don't have to use Wisps to progress. In Generations you have most control over him, he only flies if you boost and that's only over certain sections. In Lost World, you have 100% control over him.

And all you were asking for is for him to be playable in stages again. Why can he not be playable in stages and have worthy suspense for a final boss? I don't understand how me wanting him to have proper cinematics get in the way of being playable in stages.
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He can transform again when he has has 7 colours of doritos while smoking weed.
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>>324165182
>From what you're suggesting, that would mean they intended to only have 7 emeralds across all the levels. And the whole thing with the shrine powering up the emeralds were never supposed to happen.
Correct, that was the original intention.
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>>324165182
No it doesnt. S3&K was always supposed to be one game but there was space and time problems. The order of levels is messed up because of this, sonic 3 complete shows the original order they wanted but didnt have the time for. they went crazy with the fanservice as an apology.
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>>324165271
>Why can he not be playable in stages and have worthy suspense for a final boss?
I didn't say he can't. Don't get so defensive. I said.
>Make it another fun reward for the player FIRST, and then if they want to do the story bullshit second, then fine.
I was stating what I believe to be the order of priority.
If he's already playable, then fine, I don't care if he gets a stupid dramatic final segment.
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Why is there always that one faggot who insists his head canon is an absolute truth?

Hyper sonic is gone. Deal with it
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>>324165318
>>324165469
[citation needed]
True or not. It still doesn't change the final product. Where Sonic gets a hyper form and the emeralds are powered up. Things change throughout development all the time. Originally, Sonic was considered to be a human. And then that changed throughout development. Now he's a hedgehog. And that's that.

I am aware that they were originally intended to be a single game. However, just because they were meant to be one game, doesn't mean they only intended to have 7 special stages. I'm arguing that they most likely plotted the Emerald sequence ahead of time. And already considered 14 special stages.
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>>324166000
>sonic was considered to be a human

no
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>>324166000
>It still doesn't change the final product.
And your head canon doesn't change the canon that Super Emeralds and Hyper Sonic don't officially exist.
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>>324161393
>The chaos emeralds were powered up when brought in the presence of the Master Emerald.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but doesn't literally the opposite happen in Sonic Adventure 2? They bring the Master Emerald to the replica of the shrine so they can nullify the Emeralds?
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>>324166241
Good question. I was hoping someone would ask.
The Master Emerald is the "controller". It can be utilized to control the energy of the emeralds. The Emeralds are actually powered by the earth, as explained in Sonic Unleased. However the Master Emerald still has control over energy the emeralds are allowed.

>>324166174
I haven't stated any false information. I have only noted the evidence that is in the games, and informed you that these details do not conflict with each other. Certainly, if the author says the super emeralds aren't real, then who am I to argue? But I would also say that despite what the author says, he hasn't written any conflicting information in the story yet.
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>>324166241

The Mah Emerood controls the power of the Chaos Emeralds.
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>>324166794
I give up. Go talk to a wall for all I care you stubborn shit
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>>324166794
This conversation chain basically started with >>324161393, which is completely false.
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>>324166968
What more do you want? I acknowledged the author's intent. I'm just speaking on a technical level. Technically, the author hasn't written anything that conflicts with the events of S3&K.

Is that really so difficult for you to grasp?
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>>324167201
What about it is false?
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>>324167352
>Super Emeralds aren't gone.
False. They have never appeared outside of S3&K while Chaos Emeralds have appeared in almost every other game, being referred to specifically as Chaos Emeralds and not Super Emeralds.

>ever since Sonic 3&K, Sonic's Super form has been the same as his Hyper form
False, at no point as Super Sonic ever looked like Hyper Sonic in any of the games.

>Sonic's Hyper form is what allows him to defy gravity. Regular Super Sonic only makes him invincible. That's why Hyper Sonic gets the double jump. And that's why Hyper Sonic can propel himself in space, or even just in the air.
False for two reasons. First off, as mentioned before you can play Doomsday Zone as just Super Sonic, so Super Sonic can fly through the air. Second, as mentioned before Super Sonic is still bound by gravity in Adventure 1, so if Super Sonic was the same as Hyper Sonic that would not be the case.
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>>324166158
Yeah, he was. He had spiky hair, a big nose and overalls.
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>>324145120
>sonic
>cool
>ever
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>>324167758
Did you not understand the part of the post about why things are called what they're called?
The Super Emeralds have appeared in every Sonic game since S&K. Only they aren't called "super" emeralds. They're merely called emeralds, because their "super" form, is actually their standard form. When returned to their shine, their rightful place, they revert back to their original form. They are only called "super", as a way to distinguish them from their previous form.

Visually, the emeralds were all round before. But now they're in that diamond shape. Ever since they turned super, they have kept the same shape.

>at no point as Super Sonic ever looked like Hyper Sonic in any of the games
Design change. They also turn Sonic's eyes red since Sonic Adventure. Design is inconsistent.

>as mentioned before you can play Doomsday Zone as just Super Sonic
As explained before, that's just a gameplay consideration.

>Second, as mentioned before Super Sonic is still bound by gravity in Adventure 1
"Defy gravity" doesn't necessarily mean "free flight". I never said hyper has free flight. I said he can propel himself in air. Hyper can move freely in space, because there is no gravity up there. However, on ground, he can only move in the air for limited bursts.
Regular Super Sonic, while fast, doesn't actually have any means to propel himself in air.
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>>324145120
>Sonic
>Cool
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>>324168817
>The Super Emeralds have appeared in every Sonic game since S&K. Only they aren't called "super" emeralds. They're merely called emeralds, because their "super" form, is actually their standard form. When returned to their shine, their rightful place, they revert back to their original form. They are only called "super", as a way to distinguish them from their previous form.
Literally none of this is supported by the games and is your personal headcanon.

>Visually, the emeralds were all round before.
That's what they look like from the top-down genius. Heroes proved this by showing them from the top-down and they look exactly like how they did in the Genesis games. They've just started showing them sideways with the switch to 3D.

>As explained before, that's just a gameplay consideration.
>"Defy gravity" doesn't necessarily mean "free flight". I never said hyper has free flight. I said he can propel himself in air. Hyper can move freely in space, because there is no gravity up there. However, on ground, he can only move in the air for limited bursts. Regular Super Sonic, while fast, doesn't actually have any means to propel himself in air.
This is just you saying gameplay only counts when you personally say it does, which is an invalid argument. Nothing about this is supported by the games, just your own personal headcanon.
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>>324151320
it wasn't necessary then because he could keep up and attack regularly
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When are people going to realize that the Genesis games are no longer completely canon and that Adventure basically was a reboot?
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>>324169460
Yes, because that's what the developers decided to do for the boss fight.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN16PT6gpGU

Get to work senpai.
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>>324153507
"canon" in sonic literally contradicts itself shitloads of times. Everything from the ages of the characters to the timeline of events doesn't make logical sense when you break it down.

Therefore the "canon" can not be taken seriously and it's up to the players to interpret events themselves.

And I'll be fanned if the best game in the series is going to be deemed non canon because of this. If anything, everything post S3&K is not canon and just exists in its own form.
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>>324169881
This.

Arguing canon in the sonic series is an exercise in impossibility.
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>>324169409
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3_manuals
>Dr. Robotnik tricks Knuckles, the guardian of the Floating Island's Chaos Emeralds.
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_%26_Knuckles_manuals
The manuals supports the idea that the chaos emeralds are native to Angel Island.
>Knuckles has problems, too. As Guardian of Floating Island and all the emeralds, Knuckles has a mission -- to wage war on all invaders.

Returning the Emeralds to the island is their rightful place. Therefore, it can be reasonably deduced, that when the emeralds are returned to their shrine, they are reverting to their standard state.

>That's what they look like from the top-down genius
I knew you were going to say that. However, that's not true. because in Sonic 2, when you are in a special stage and approach an emerald, you don't see it's diamond shape. You see it's round shape. When they turned into super emeralds, it just so happened that they could design the topside to appear like the old emeralds. And they looked like diamonds since S3&K

>This is just you saying gameplay only counts when you personally say it does
No, I'm making the logical argument that both games together, with the shrine sequence is the intended way to play that game. And the other ways are variations they've allowed for the player to experience. you're making the illogical argument that skipping all the super emeralds is equally valid as collecting all the super emeralds.
Super Sonic, post Sonic Adventure, has been shown to have limited flight while inside of the atmosphere. Coincidentally, Hyper Sonic in S3&K has increased acceleration when in air, and the ability to double jump. But before he turned Super, he was never shown doing any gravity defying feats.
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>>324145420

>lets just completely rip off dbz now

It did that since Sonic 2.
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>>324170957
>But before he turned Hyper, he was never shown doing any gravity defying feats.
fixed
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>>324167782
>>324166000
no, he was originally a cat, not a human. stupid

source: nintendo power
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>>324170957

>because in Sonic 2, when you are in a special stage and approach an emerald, you don't see it's diamond shape. You see it's round shape.
>round

It never was "round" in Sonic 2. Also, you have take the geometrical shape of the Chaos Emeralds in the proper chronological context lore-wise. In Sonic Adventure, the Chaos Emeralds had that diamond shape for thousands of years since Tikal's time.
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>>324172241
He went through a few designs before they settled on the hedgehog.
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>>324145120
To bad Dark Sonic Not Cannon
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>>324172710
The werehog was pretty much a buffer, fuzzier dark sonic. In the opening cgi of unleashed they pretty much have the same tone
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>>324172609
>You will never see the alternate reality where he was Sega's mascot.
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>>324159518
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>>324172595
I'm just calling it "round" for lack of better term. It's got 6 sides, so that's round enough for me.

But think about it. Why would the supposed top side of the emerald be facing the screen like that? In that perspective, wouldn't it make more sense to show the emerald right side up, so you can see it's diamond shape?

In Sonic Adventure, they show the emeralds enshrined in Tikal's time. But who is to say what happened to them in between. Clearly, for at least two games, they didn't take on the diamond shape. Perhaps they change form over time? I don't know.
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Well, there was Darkspine Sonic.

The design makes no sense but I GUESS its another transformation.
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>>324166158

Was Eggman originally a walrus?
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>>324173167
I usually don't like the fandom stuff. But goddamn does he look great in that color. I want this now.
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>>324173167
How many attoseconds does it take for him to circle the galaxy?
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>>324145120
>worried about powercreeping when the games aren't even able to have decent physics
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>>324173317
I believe so. I think his design was inspired by the song I am the walrus. Or something like that.
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>>324173317

No, he was Teddy Roosevelt.

Really.
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>>324173531

yeah man but he's the eggman, the walrus, and is wearing sgt. pepper's uniform.
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Nah, compare it to DBZ.
Super Saiyan 1 is objectively the best looking form, SS2 and 3 are fine but all the ones beyond that just feel cheesy.
>Yfw Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 2 will be a thing
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>>324173231

>Why would the supposed top side of the emerald be facing the screen like that?

Less sprite work from a personal perspective.

>wouldn't it make more sense to show the emerald right side up, so you can see it's diamond shape?

In Sonic 3 right before you collect one of the Chaos Emeralds in the Special Stages, you can see that the Emerald is lying on one of sides.

>Perhaps they change form over time?

They do. Sonic 3D is one example, but the Diamond-Shape is the most common form that the Chaos Emeralds take.
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>>324174885
Sonic R was developed post S&K.

>Less sprite work from a personal perspective.
Plausible answer, I'll give you that. However, if they only had one angle to draw, why draw the angle that doesn't fit the special stage. Considering they went out of their way to produce that 3D effect. Wouldn't they want to show the good angel of the emeralds?

>In Sonic 3 right before you collect one of the Chaos Emeralds in the Special Stages, you can see that the Emerald is lying on one of sides.
It's not lying on it's side. It's standing straight up. In Sonic 3 and Knuckles, they go out of their way to make a visual distinction between regular emeralds and super emeralds.
https://youtu.be/M0vS3fX8t1Q?t=97
Notice the super emerald is in all of it's diamond glory.

whereas the regular emerald is shown to be rounded.
https://youtu.be/stv39YJVqvg?t=94

>Perhaps they change form over time?
>They do. Sonic 3D is one example
I meant story wise. Perhaps there is a reason for why they change form.
I can't say I'm familiar with Sonic 3D. But I get the sense that that game's emerald design wasn't a story-conscious decision. I could be wrong. But that's the feeling I get.

However, in S3&K, the diamond shape was a very clear transformation. Their old form and new form was meant to be taken as two distinctly different things.

Face it: the idea that the emeralds merely changed angle, is nothing but a long held headcanon. Debunked by actually observing the information provided in the games.
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There are people...who seriously care this match about how many edges the chaos emeralds have? Guys please stop perpetuating the autism meme, youre making those of us who just play the games to have fun look bad
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>>324177023
this
please shut up the lot of you
this is as retarded as Bigger Luke theorists
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>>324173159
Thats a reality with a 100% dead sega.

No way that abomination would have survived through the saturn years.
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>>324177243
>Not wanting Fatty McBoingo and the Secret Rings
>Not wanting Fatty McBoingo Unleashed
>Not wanting Fatty McBoingo CD
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>>324177603
>>324177243

so what would be the equivalent of shadow, then
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>>324177943
Thinny DiBounci
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>>324160074
He probably could do it, but it seems like he doesn't really like using Chaos powers unless he has to. Besides, why bother trying to use powers you don't practice with when ramming shit works fine?
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>>324178181
guffawed out loud. thanks anon
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>>324173167
That looks more like Mystic
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>>324158412
>>324158935
>>324158693
looking a bit of darkspine, he also absorved the rings with the negative emotions
>final boss's name actually means "the 1001 nights"
not bad, sanicteam
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>>324178437
>game is about arabian nights
>nights sequel comes out a year after secret rings

THE ABSOLUTE MAD MEN
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>>324155190
>>324156175
>mfw the first time i had to to that
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>>324178584
>he didnt feel like a badass after shielding that hit and charging towards dark gaia

QTEs normally piss me off but they were fucking epic for that fight
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>>324179247
actaully it was the best/most memorable part of the fight for me, just for how ridiculous it was compared to the other qtes in the game
the fight should have been a mix of the ps2/wii version with these qte as the final part though
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>>324177023
>>324177189
You being adverse to information, doesn't make everyone else autistic.
This is just what happens when two people who know their shit, happen to have a minor disagreement. Instead of resorting into shitflinging because you have no knowledge to back up your statement, you can actually back up what you say with facts.
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>>324179651
yeah okay that's what people do when they're discussing things that aren't fucking stupid

you're having a serious discussion about whether or not the chaos emeralds are rounded or 'diamond' shaped on /v/

have some FUCKING self awareness before you start getting holier than thou
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>>324179639
Me to. it was like platinum levels of crazy, it was just fucking cool and silly to see. wasn't there another qte that took 99 presses? I feel like the qtes made sense in the day stages since they were all about speed and reaction but hated how finishers for the werehog were tied to qtes. The werehog combat qtes seemed REALLY fucking fast for some reason

I disagree with the last gen version though. everything in that game is shit. It makes me sad how that was made just to recoup losses for the HD version and yet people actually say it was better. Unleashed HD is fucking great though
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>>324180098
You are in a thread where the topic is to weigh the pros and cons of sonic having a new super form.
What did you expect to see here?

I'm perfectly aware how petty it is talk about the sides of the emeralds. But that kind of discussion is only petty when compared to real world issues. By entering a Sonic thread, you have indirectly shed any pretenses that real world issues matter. We're in fantasy land right now. Where anthropomorphic blue hedgehogs run at sonic speeds, to defeat egg shaped super geniuses.

In that context: I think it's fair to discuss the shape of the super emeralds.

You need to have some self awareness, before you start getting all holier than thou. You're in this thread too. You're not above this.
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>>324179247
Same, caught me so off guard. That single QTE gave me more of a rush than all of Asuras Wrath to be honest.

Unironically Sonic Unleashed has very well done QTE's. They're brief, far and few, take place only after the battle, and fun to watch.
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>>324180676
yeah except i'm fucking aware what is going on here is nerdy as fuck whereas you're insisting the detailed emerald discussion isn't even a little sperglordy
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>>324180676
This thread was fine until you and your butt buddy started shitting all over it. It's fags like you that fuck these threads up and go

>well its a sonic thread, what did you expect? :^D

you ARE the 'what did you expect' portion of that statement.
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>>324180715
>Asuras Wrath
does that game get good past the first 30 minutes
it's kind of a weird mess right now
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>>324180715
Dont forget how my nigga egg dragoon got fucking PUMMELED in those qtes. Sonic tore the eggmobile right out of the dragoon, spun it, and threw him out of the crust of the earth

Unleashed ended so perfectly, its sad in comparison to the garbage we got with colors, generations, and lost world (which fucking rehashed colors of all things)
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>>324156958
This right here, Tails was the only one that required the Super Emeralds to transform because he can't tap into the regular Emeralds

>>324146480
The other one Archie comics had was Ultra Sonic. which happened when Sonic tapped into some kind of Ring energy. This also worked for Tails as well. I don't think it's canon anymore since the reboot on issue 252 though
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>>324180676
>what did you expect
not this brand of autism
some, yes, but not this much
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>>324181374
>he can't tap into the regular Emeralds
if i were tails i'd just fucking kill myself
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>>324180969
Why do you care if it's nerdy? Is that supposed to mean something bad?
Yes, it's nerdy. Because nerds play Sonic games.
We're just having a discussion about video games. And sharing information. Sorry we're not talking in the special way that's fun for you. But I'm having fun comparing knowledge.

>>324181092
We're ruining the thread, by actually discussing the topic? I don't understand. This thread is about Sonic's super forms. And we're talking about Sonic's super forms.

>>324181406
Tell me what's autistic about it. Specifically.
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>>324180349
i would have prefered playing not-punch out with dark gaia rather than pressing those slow as fuck qtes, and that's after getting closer to him at a snail speed THREE TIMES, and that's if you don't fail that "fight" (it was kinda neat at first because it shows the scale of the area, after all you're at the center of the earth problably we went from apotos to empire city in distance while reaching him, inmediately playing as sonic and hit him in the eyes was great though) the same goes with the boring destroy the shield as super sonic later, i was so hyped to break his shit, but then it was "lol destroy the shield sanic, let me fight him in the meantime", and then i see the fight in the ps2/wii version, which is not that good, at least it let sonic make more damage.
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I always thought that Hyper Sonic became the new canon Super Sonic because in Sonic 3 and Knuckles you are upgrading the emeralds to their Super forms.

My personal head canon stated that the emeralds were now at their true potential.


The one that botherd me the most was at the end of Sonic Heroes, Sonic goes Super, but Tails and Knuckles don't even turn. I mean sure the game wasn't great anyway but at least give me something cool
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>>324181607
do you remember Quentin and how he'd make silly strawmans of neckbeardy manchildren playing 3DS games in public and what not

you're what he was trying to make us avoid

but you know what? i'll bite. the sheer depth and detail you're both going into is what makes it autistic. it's overanalyzing something the developers didn't even care enough about to be consistent with and trying to act like your personal feelings and ideas are true canon.
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>>324181374
>The other one Archie comics had was Ultra Sonic
This guy right here, Ultra Sonic literally felt like something out of a Dragonball powerup
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>>324181842
>The one that botherd me the most was at the end of Sonic Heroes
Yea, I really hated that too.
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>>324181951
However in the comics the Ring power is how Tails turned to Hyper Tails, because the comics didn't have a stable canon back then.
Damn going back to some of these old issues makes me glad the reboot happened in 252
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>>324181658
To me it just looks so static and boring on the ps2/wii version. You line up, waggle a little and punch out his eyes till hes dead. I feel like the hd version is much more varied, actually using the temples the chaos emeralds were stored in as a platform to safely reach dark gaia and get upclose to hit his eyes. Charging towards dark gaia in the mech also felt really heavy which like you said, helped show the distance between sonic and dark gaia.

The shield part was kind of disappointing sure but it still felt good to dart around and fuck his tentacles up while chip was in the background 1v1ing him (even though that shouldve been you). The camera and scenery was really good in the last part. I dont care for the punch out mini game and shit feeling like sonic is doing more because it wasnt. It was side scrolling with the temple mech and countering him rather than a variety of mechanics from sonic and the temple mech combining to take dark gaia down.

Thats just me though, I cant think of one good thing the ps2/wii version has over the HD one but I guess the common opinion sees otherwise
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>>324181937
Yes, I remember Quentin. I didn't pay him much mind. But every now and again, I'd look at the comics for a laugh.

You would have a point, except for the fact that we're not in public. We're on /v/. This is the place to nerd out, and go whole hog into whatever you're interests are.

But even more: I only contributed to the conversation as much as the other anon reciprocated. It's not like I just went into a random thread and started talking randomly about Sonic's super forms, and the emeralds that govern them. I stumbled into the thread where that kind of discussion is appropriate. And replied to the person who might be interested in knowing what I know.

If you don't care for the discussion we had, then you could have hidden it at any time.

As for the accusation of "overanalyzing" see >>324167235
Again, I never said my beliefs are above the developer's. Only that the developers haven't written contradicting information yet.

It would be like if you changed your name from Bill to Joe. Everyone knows that your parents named you Bill. Everyone knows that Bill is on your birth certificate. But you go by Joe now. Well, alright. I will call you Joe from now on. But you're not going to convince me that your name was never Bill. Just because you had a change in identity, that doesn't erase your history.

Does that make sense?
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>>324183003
>he's still going
>he still thinks he doesn't have incurable autism
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>>324183319
I used to think autism was in insult. Until I saw the good things that come from autism. Now I never correct anyone.
You don't know how awesome autism is, until you see the half A press video.
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>>324183529
there's being a savant and then there's being a regular dirty filthy sticky-fingered autist

this guy is clearly the former
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>>324183601
True. But if I'm not some sticky fingered disabled person, then what do I care if someone calls me autistic? I'm autistic because I enjoyed playing Sonic, and now I have a pretty decent knowledge of the games? Alright. I'll take it. Who cares. I can school everyone on Sonic without trying. This shit is fun.
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>>324183893
>I can school everyone on Sonic without trying.
>bragging about this
and this is why people think you're autistic
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>>324184194
ok. hey, at least I actually contributed to the thread. While you're just talking about autism in a sonic thread. As if that isn't a completely fucked out topic...
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So what was everyone's favorite Super/Hyper moment. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow.

Choose the game that had your favorite, maybe because of the atmosphere, story, or gameplay, let's just have a bit of fun.
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>>324184596
yes, you posted your headcanon. good for you. nice contribution!
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>>324185054
I backed up everything I said with in-game information.
What have you contributed to the thread?
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>>324184998
since this is my post I will go first.

Sonic Adventure 2, because of the feels and because Sonic and Shadow working together to take on the big evil was enjoyable for me as a kid.
Another tie is Generations because of Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic working together was just bad ass
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>>324145120
I think Sonic should drown in the toilet he's been swimming in for the past twenty years.
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>Not wanting another game where you play as Robotnik.
>And actually win.
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