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I'm in the mood for modern rogue-likes like Binding of Isaac or FTL. Give me some good recommendations.
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>>324137150
gas yourself
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Sunless Sea
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>>324138527
This.
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Those are not roguelikes. They just have roguelike elements. Go play dungeon crawl stone soup
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>>324137150
those are rogue-lites you tremendous faggot
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>>324139105
You misspelled rogue-like my friend.
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>>324138903
Seconded. Give it a shot OP, there´s a tileset version so even scrub like me could understand what´s going on.
Plus it´s simple enough to pick but seems to got tons of depth from what I´ve heard.
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>>324138903
>>324139365
Go back to the stone age grandpas. I asked for modern roguelikes.
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>>324139464
http://store.steampowered.com/tag/fi/Roguelike/#p=0&tab=NewReleases
Start searching then.
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IVAN

You'll never need anything else
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>>324137150
Modern roguelikes should be called Action-Roguelikes, it highlights the fundemental difference.

Anyway give Heavy Bullets a spin off, though it's one-note.
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>>324139464
Ziggurat
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>>324140301
It is too late, the definition of a rogue-like has already changed. Just start calling real rogue-likes "classic rogue-likes".

By the way, you can't bitch about this if you have ever used the new definition of "literally".
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>>324140490
So I can bitch if I haven't?
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>>324140853
Anon is just projecting something for whatever reason.
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>>324140953
One Way Heroics is one of the best examples I've seen of narrative married to gameplay mechanics.
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>>324140853
You can, but you will only end up sounding like a bitter old man.
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>>324141097
This sucks.
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>>324139105
This
Of course this is just a shitposting bait thread, tryint to trigger autists into ranting about how roguelites aren't goguelikes
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I like the term rougelite more. Rougelike would means that it's like Rouge but most games are not like that.
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>>324140490
>It is too late, the definition of a rogue-like has already changed.
It hasn't, really. You cause a lot of confusion using it like this. We have perfectly appropriate words to indicate the distinction, like Rogue-lite, Roguelike-like, or Action-roguelike as suggested by >>324140301.

The distinction between the literal and non-literal meanings of "literally" literally never matters though.
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>>324138903
>Those are not roguelikes. They just have rougelike elements.

So they're roguelikelikes?

Do you people actually read what you type?
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>>324141441
It does though, I want people to know that I mean literally when I say literally
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>>324141825
They'll know what you mean from the context literally every time.
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>>324141825
I'm not sure there was ever a time where literally was used to differentiate literal and figurative meanings. Sort of jumped straight into being used for blase emphasis.
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>>324137150
Nuclear Throne's really good if you want a faster-paced Isaac.
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>>324141441
When the biggest distribution platform classifies popular games like Don't Starve, Binding of Isaac, Nuclear Throne, FTL, and Risk of Rain as a rogue-like, then yes, the definition has changed.
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Due to some confusion over the definition I have made this handy chart
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>>324142062
>rouge
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>>324141982
The entire point of the word was to clarify that a statement was not to be taken as a figure of speech.
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>>324141982
No
Even today I had a situation where I had to specify that I meant literally in the original sense, because otherwise it'd have looked like a hyperbole
Fucking shitters ruining communication
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>>324142216
So what did you say?
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>>324137150
Eat shit, faggot.
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>wants roguelikes
>that aren't like rogue
How about you instead use one of those dumb terms like "rogue-lite" or "games with lots of random elements"? Picture apparently not fucking related.
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I can't be fucked to argue, but Dungeon of the Endless is pretty funky, especially if you;re familiar with FTL.
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>>324142184
Holy shit you're dumb.
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>>324141565
Yes. Roguelikelike or roguelite is the correct terminology.

>>324139464
I bet you think Call of Duty is a modern RPG.
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>>324142062
thank you senpai

>>324142014
Binding of Isaac is about powerlevelling to Godmode in 30 minutes and gradually unlocking more varieties of the same game.

Nuclear Throne is an arcade game about surviving for as long as you possibly can under waves/arenas full of enemies whose lethality curve is a cliff face, and character progression is incredibly limited.

While the presentation is roughly the same, the appeal is fundamentally different.
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>>324142031
Steam's tag system is an accurate reflection of the idiots that use steam, Dota is considered a fucking RPG
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>>324142258
That I pulled literally dozens of ticks off my dogs one time
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>>324142202
And the entire point of a figure of speech called "irony" is to use words in their incorrect meanings to achieve some sort of effect, such as to serve as an intensifier or to trigger an autist like you.
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>>324142403
Yes, and when the idiots are the majority and use the incorrect definition of a word enough, the definition of that word changes. See "literally".
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>>324140301
>Action-Roguelike
I quiet like this term. Unfortunately I've never heard it used by anyone so its useless in most discussions.
>>324141304
I always felt like rogue-lite suggested an element of meta-progression.
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>>324142443
Seems clear enough.
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>>324142031
Popular consensus by a bunch of uneducated people should not determine terminology.
Also Don't Starve doesn't even have roguelike as a popular tag.
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>>324141304
My problem with Roguelite is that it's very similar to Roguelike so it's pretty damn easy to confuse the two at a glance.
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>>324142537
It shouldn't, but it does.
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>>324141029
I agree. It's really well done.
Also a mostly proper roguelike at that.
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>>324142596
It does for idiots. Don't be an idiot. Accepting the decay of language only encourages is.
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http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Berlin_Interpretation
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>>324142673
Has there ever been a case of language conservationists winning?
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>>324137150
Didn't you read the note op? These games are not called rogue-like anymore, they are called rogue-lites.
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>>324142490
You are literally retarded if you literally think literally no longer literally means literally.

Literally.
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>>324142673
>knows literally nothing about how languages work
>complains about their degradation
Just to clarify, when that anon said that uneducated morons shouldn't have an opinion on things they don't know about, he meant you personally.
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>>324142749
I literally never said it doesn't literally mean literally. It just also literally means literally the opposite as well.
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YOU GUIZE!!!

Total Biscuit said not to use that term any more!!!
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>>324137150
Tales of Maj'Eyal aka TOME. I just wish it had actual randomization and not a fixed setting. On other hand you also Dwarf Fortress Adventure mode.

>generate a world
>create couple of fortresses in it
>decide to try the adventure mode
>actual come across and explore your fallen fortresses
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>>324142536
Because you know that I'm being sincere
The biggest amount of ticks I've seen before, on one animal, were maybe 5 of them, which makes that other case exceptional. I doubt many people have experienced something like that. Those people could very well assume that I meant figuratively, since they have to assume that I'm an idiot misusing literally.
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>>324142860
Well, it literally doesn't, though. The opposite of literal is figurative.
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>>324142882
I'm sure people assuming you're an idiot is a constant struggle for you.
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>>324142979
Well yes I am on 4chan
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>>324142828
I bet you're a social Darwinist too.
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>>324142914
Literally also means "used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true."
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>posting legitimate suggestions
You fags don't get it.
OP intention with this whole thread was to "bait", "troll", "flame" or whatever the modern term is for "provoking emotional replies out of others in online environments".
Should be clear at this point.

Video Games.
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nethack is just the best
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>>324142362
Fuck off, Totalbiscuit.
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>>324143261
Shut up we're discussing language and insulting each other
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>>324143161
Which is not the same as "figurative".
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I never knew people could be this anal about the definition of the word "rogue-like".

I like NetHack and DC:SS a lot too (even if I'm absolutely shit at them), but holy shit people, the fact that games exist that put a different spin on elements from those kinds of games isn't the end of the world.
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>>324138903
>>324139105
>>324141304
Who the fuck cares?

When OP says modern roguelikes like FTL and BoI, you know exactly what the kind of games he's looking for is.

Autists just love to get pissy though.
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>>324142728
When we didn't devolve into ebonics.
Ironic shitposting notwithstanding, senpai.
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>>324143947
It's not even as bad as what happened to "hack'n'slash".
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>>324143706
I'm not sure. It depends on if you consider everything that isn't a figure of speech to be literal. Even if it isn't the opposite, it is idiotic to have one of the definitions of X word be not X.
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>>324143947
"Putting a different spin on elements of the genre" is not the same as "being an entirely different game and using a few elements of the genre". Why isn't Binding of Isaac a Zeldalike? It's actually a lot more similar to it.
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>>324143437
>we're talking about bread
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>>324144173
Except most rogue-like/lite/whatever word you fucking want to use for that kind of games these days can't really be called a genre. It's more of a modifier you put on a game of a different genre. Spelunky is a platformer game with rogue-like elements, Crypt of the Necrodancer is a rhythm game with rogue-like elements, Dwarf Fortress is a strategy/management game with rogue-like elements etc. Only the classic games like NetHack, Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup, and the original Rogue can only really be considered a genre anymore.

I guess I can appreciate that people want to separate the more classic rogue-like games (like the aforementioned DC:SS) from the more modern ones, but could you at least have chosen two terms that aren't exactly one fucking letter apart?
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>>324143990
Not yet, but don't pretend that we are not heading down that path. When the Oxford English Dictionary adds words like bling, dope, phat, and twerk, I'd say that language conservationists haven't won.... and I'm not talking about the Oxford Online Dictionary that adds all the new hip words, I'm talking about the grumpy old man dictionary.
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>>324144850
I guess "traditional Roguelikes" have always been Roguelike RPGs, anyway.
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SWORD OF THE STARS THE PIT
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>>324142281
What game is that?
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>>324142281
I should get back to ToMe
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>>324137150
But those aren't roguelikes.
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>>324143947
It's happening to way to many generes lately and it needs to stop.
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>>324142872
I want to play DF so bad, but the learning curve for it is very extreme and I'm a bit to casual for that.
But I enjoy DCSS and Sil, starting to play Brogue lately.
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>>324144850
>Only the classic games like NetHack, Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup, and the original Rogue can only really be considered a genre anymore.
I don't think you have the slightest clue how many roguelikes there are. I suggest giving /rlg/ a try sometime.

What's wrong about "with x elements"?
I mean people have used it for "game with RPG elements" forever.
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Fuck roguelikes, most of them are ASCII which looks horrible and is lazy design. Atleast get some tilesets like dcss. Also, they need to have online and multiplayer because they are boring as fuck
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>>324142872
Got the one where the carp stands up?
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>>324152565
Nah m8.
I actually bought ADOM off steam and the graphical interface was bothering me. Switched to ASCII and never looked back.

You can see the whole level at once, you can't misjudge your step because of perspective, everything is nice and clear cut etc.

I could never play DCSS or Dwarf Fortess in ASCII though.
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>>324146501
This, one of the better ones out there.
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Jesus, I thought I stumbled into /rlg/ for a second. Why can't you people just tell the OP what he wants to hear and move on with your lives?
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>>324153457
>implying
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>>324137150
>games that aren't inspired in any way by Rogue
>call them Roguelikes
So just because you can lose them they're Roguelikes? Binding of Isaac and FTL are nothing like a Roguelike.

ADOM
ToME
Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup

These are all a pretty good start for modern Roguelikes.
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>>324154169
ADOM is hard as balls though.
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>>324154169
>Waaah I cannot handle change
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>>324137150
Why are you guys still using that word? Our leader clearly said it's been retired.
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How about we stop arguing about whether it's like or lite and get to the real problem of whether or not it's pronounced .gif or.jif
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THIS TERM MAKES ME ANGRY
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>>324154169
>aren't inspired in any way by Rogue
That's clearly wrong though.
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>>324137150
path of exile hardcore character goodluck
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>>324154397
Not him, but I don't thing you understand what change means.
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>>324154470
jiffags need not apply
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>>324154660
It literally means change.

Now think about why I used the word literally.
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>>324154478
I AM ANGRY
ANGRY ABOUT TERMINOLOGY
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>>324154760
Seriously jif fags can fuck off
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>>324154470
Both are acceptable.

I personally pronounce it the way the coiner of the word intended but I certainly understand how the alternative may be intuitive and if I were to hear it aloud I would understand what was meant by it.
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>>324154780
It's barely related, that's not how change works.
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>>324137150
>still using that word

I bet you own consoles too.
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>>324152981
DCSS's tileset is really robust and is designed around those issues. I disagree about DF though. Pure ASCII is the only way to play it.
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>>324155608
>I disagree about DF though. Pure ASCII is the only way to play it.
Give me one reason that doesn't amount to elitism
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>>324155608
The DCSS tileset is just really good though.
The dwarf and animal sprites really grew on me. Also there's something really satisfying about how the stones and ores look.
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>>324148087
Tales of Maj'Eyal
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maybe call this a rogue-lite or something
the combat is very rewarding once you get the hang of it, first time will be frustrating though
game is exanima
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>>324137150
Downwell
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>>324155773
The game was designed for ascii, and as far as ascii graphics go, DF is pretty advanced. ascii is very easy to read once acquainted with, and really isn't any harder to learn than tiles.
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>>324158180
It wasn't really designed for anything, Toady just went with ascii because that's the only/easiest/fastest way to display what he wants the game to display, he himself said that he doesn't really see ascii as a requirement/design choice beyond that.
Sure, it's easy to read, but not necessary to enjoy the game, and you don't lose any info by running tilesets
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> not calling the fogueish
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Has anyone played Tharsis?

Is it worth getting?
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>>324157440
seconding
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>>324159798
How big of a gambler are you and what do you feel about rolling 1s on all 5 die?
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What is the distinction between true rogue-like games and what today is considered a rogue-like? And do you think the term rogue-lite is necessary or should these perma-death rng based games be called something else?
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Well if anyone's willing to try out a rogueLITE, I'm gonna recommend Runestone Keeper

I've spent a week on it so far just to "finish" normal difficulty.

Can't imagine how much harder they can make this and what the other characters do
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>>324160086
sounds like my game
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>obvious as fuck bait, almost spelt out
>all these retards falling for it

Is it me or /v/ is becoming more and more retarded every fucking day?
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>>324142289

this. it's more or less a mixture of FTL and tower-defense. Fun as fuck.

music is great,too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZmOCxgFEzk
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Dwarf Fortress Adventure Mode

You will do things you thought you could never do in a video game.
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>rogue comes out
>it inspires games
>these are rogue-likes because they're "like rogue"
>rogue-likes inspire games
>these are called rogue-like-likes because they have rogue-like elements.
Is not that hard.
To be a rogue-like it must contain elements present in rogue originally
For it to be a rogue-like-like it must contain bare elements present in rogue, but only barely, they aren't rogue-likes if the only thing Is procedural levels or permadeath.
Nevertheless to say, no, we can't name rogue-likes "rogue" because there's only one rogue.
And rogue-lites aren't complex enough to be real rogue-likes
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>>324140301
>Action-Roguelike

You realize you basically said something to the like of Bullet Hell/Turn-Based Strategy?

And this is the only true roguelike that can achieve something as unnatural as the gender you or I stated. And yet, it is far from them, by a long shot.

Just keep calling them roguelites.
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Thoughts on Runers?
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My friends, I've been really digging Time Stalkers (first rogue-like I've spent much time with) and want to try another.

If not with monster recruiting, then at least with parties instead of single protagonists.
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Forgot to post pic because Yoshitaka Tamaki is god-tier.
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>>324161613

>that webm

Jesus
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>>324140490
>Rogue-like
>Definition has already changed
It's kind of hard to change a definition when the word literally means "A game like Rogue"
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