I don't mind amiibos that much but they should change how they unlock stuff. Instead of outright unlocking content you can't get any other way, either do it like SMM where you can unlock everything without them, or make standalone DLC for like 5$ or you can buy the amiibo for 13$ and unlock the same DLC. So if you don't want the figure you don't need to buy it.
>no expensive gimmicks that make the console be weak as fuck >keep up the great art direction in their exclusive games while still going for 60 fps even if it means lower technical quality in graphics >F-Zero GX HD with online and track editor >new Custom Robo on par with the GC one >a 2D Mario, a 3D Mario, and one like 3D Land/World >new Retro Studios Metroid game
A powerful no-bullshit console. No gimmicks, just powerful hardware. Make it backwards compatible with the Wii U and slash prices on Wii U games (players choice releases) as an extra incentive to buy an NX. That way they can say "hey, I know you didn't want a Wii U, but if you buy the NX then you get ALL these Wii U games too!"
And it should be fucking powerful. Not just on par with PS4/Xbone. It needs to be the dreamcast to the competition's N64/PS1. Otherwise it's just falling into the same rut as the Wii U did.
As for games, pumping out first party stuff only goes so far. Nintendo needs to actually make a serious effort to get 3rd parties on board. They have always been terrible at this, and it needs to fucking change.
>>324134848 consider: nintendo have never had the level of online infrastructe that Sony and Microsoft have developed oer the years, even if it is a conventional console developed to beat the ps4 it will suffer major online connectivity issues simply by virtue f they just dont have the expertise to develop and maintan something like that out of nowhere
>>324137352 But that is exactly the attitude that is the issue.
You CANNOT have a successful console without 3rd party support. The only exception was the Wii, and that was because it came at just the right time before smartphones and facebook games to get all the casual non-gamers. But that's over and done with.
If they want to pursue actual gamers, they need 3rd parties. Every generation, ninty says "okay, we promise to try this time!" and they never really do. Their idea of catering to 3rd parties just means not actively antagonizing them like they did during the NES/SNES/N64 days. But that's not good enough. They need to butter up th 3rd parties and convince them. They can't just say "here's the NX, take it or leave it". They need to be more active salesmen when it comes to getting 3rd parties on-board.
>>324134848 Sizable and Future Proof amounts of Hardware Power. A Smash and/or Mario Kart Day One. A high profile JRPG released in the launch window. A controller with No Gimmicks. Well okay, add your Scroll Wheel Shoulder Buttons, or an Iphone sized screen to the controller for on-the-go play. Just don't force me to play Bop-It Extreme with this new controller.
Fucking imagine if Nintendo opened their games to be modifiable. Mainly in talking older games, but anything really. Custom MK64 tracks, Goldeneye 007 levels, Pikmin maps. Imagine how strong the development community would be.
>>324137571 Gamecube launch lineup was top-tier though >pikmin >rogue squadron 2 >luigi's mansion >smash bros melee (released a week or two after launch, sue me) >super monkey ball
And while the N64's launch only had like 2 games, one of those games was fucking SM64, so it was still a decent launch for that reason alone.
Really the problem is that no consoles since 6th gen have had good launch lineups. And it's a shame. You'd think having excellent games at launch would be the #1 goal if you want people buying your system.
>>324134848 I want it to be able to ignore the portable functionality altogether, I want it to keep the tablet controller, and I want it to be powerful enough to have good graphics and be able to support 4 tablets at the same time, so the asymmetrical bullshit from the U is fixed. And of course, a strong enough launch lineup.
>>324137537 I think a new launch Mario is a given, or at least I hope it is, considering the last one was 3 years ago. A new Metroid would be nice to cater to people on the fence too.
Good hardware. No stupid gimmicks. An actual innovatice concept. The rumor about releasing new hardware upgrades while keeping the architecture/compatibility was great. Third Party support. Waiting 4 years into the console's lifespan for a Zelda game
>>324137805 Most people play those on other systems because they can't play them on nintendo's.
The paradigm since 7th gen has been "you buy a system for all your multiplats and a separate one for nintendo games". Now imagine if there was a console that got all those multiplats AND nintendo first party titles. It'd be a no-brainer.
>but they already have a PS4 for multiplats Not everyone has moved on to 8th gen consoles, first of all. And secondly, this is why the NX needs to be more powerful. It can't just be on-par. It needs to blow the PS4. I'm talking 60fps 1080p standard on top of everything else. It needs to be powerful so that it can have the definitive versions of console multiplats.
Just expecting everyone to only buy the NX as a "secondary console strictly for ninty games" is a death sentence. This is exactly the issue the Wii U had. It'd be the same mistake all over again.
Donkey Kong (1981) Donkey Kong Jr. (1982) Donkey Kong 3 (1983) Mario Bros. (1983) Vs. Super Mario Bros. (1986) Mario Kart Arcade GP (2005) Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 (2007) Mario Kart Arcade GP DX (2013) Game & Watch
Donkey Kong (1982) Mario Bros. (1983) Mario's Bombs Away (1983) Mario's Cement Factory (1983) Donkey Kong Hockey (1984) Donkey Kong 2 (1983) NES/Famicom and Famicom Disk System
Donkey Kong (1983 NES; 1988 FDS) Dr. Mario (1990) Golf (1984) I Am a Teacher: Super Mario Sweater (1988) Mario Bros. (1983) Mario is Missing! (1993) Mario's Time Machine (1994) NES Open Tournament Golf (1991) Return of Mario Bros. (1988) Super Mario Bros. (1985) Super Mario Bros. 2 (1988) Super Mario Bros. 3 (1988) Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels (1986) Wrecking Crew (1985 NES; 1989 FDS) Yoshi (1991) Yoshi's Cookie (1992) Game Boy
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Mario & Wario (1993) Mario's Early Years! Fun with Letters (1994) Mario's Early Years! Fun with Numbers (1994) Mario's Early Years! Preschool Fun (1994) Mario Is Missing! (1993) Mario Paint (1992) Mario's Time Machine (1993) Mario's Super Picross (1995) Super Mario All-Stars (1993) Super Mario Kart (1992) Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (1993) Super Mario World (1990) Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (1995) Tetris Attack (1995) Wrecking Crew '98 (1998) Yoshi's Cookie (1993) Yoshi's Safari (1993)
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Nintendo doesn't learn from their mistakes. They keep making the same ones generation after generation, even when they themselves admit to having these weak points.
And this sadly won't change with the NX. It's a shame too, but I just don't see how they're going to make it work. They'd need to make a super-powerful console and get all the major third party releases. And even then, I don't think many people (or developers) would embrace it, because faith in nintendo is low. They released the WiiU, which was a failure. Now it's dead in the water and they're dropping it like a rock... and they expect people to go out and buy another nintendo console after that? People already have the fear that it will be another flop.
It's like an (admittedly much less severe) case of what happened with sega during the mid 90s, releasing consoles/add-ons that were failures and then just expecting consumers to buy the next one anyway.
Diddy Kong Racing DS (2007) DK Jungle Climber (2007) Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story (2009) Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time (2005) Mario Hoops: 3-on-3 (2006) Mario Kart DS (2005) Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (2006) Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem (2010) New Super Mario Bros. DS (2006) Super Mario 64 DS (2004) Super Princess Peach (2005) Yoshi's Island DS (2006) Yoshi's Touch & Go (2005) WarioWare D.I.Y. (2009) WarioWare: Snapped! (2008) WarioWare Touched (2004) Mario Party DS (2007) Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (2008) Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (2009) Wario: Master of Disguise (2007) Wii
Super Mario Galaxy (2007) Super Mario Galaxy 2 (2010) Mario Strikers Charged Football (2007) Super Paper Mario (2007) WarioWare: Smooth Moves (2006) WarioWare D.I.Y. Showcase (2009) Super Smash Bros. Brawl (2008) Mario Kart Wii (2008) Mario Party 8 (2007) Mario Super Sluggers (2008) New Super Mario Bros. Wii (2009) New Play Control! Mario Power Tennis (2009) Super Mario All-Stars 25th Anniversary Edition (2010) Mario Sports Mix (2010) Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games (2011) Fortune Street (2011) Mario Party 9 (2012) Nintendo DSi
Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Minis March Again! (2009) Nintendo 3DS
Super Mario 3D Land (2011) Mario Kart 7 (2011) Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games (2012) Paper Mario: Sticker Star (2012) Mario Tennis Open (2012) New Super Mario Bros. 2 (2012) Mario and Donkey Kong: Minis on the Move (2013) Mario & Luigi: Dream Team (2013) Mario Party: Island Tour (2013) Mario Golf: World Tour(2014) Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS (2014) Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars(2015) Puzzle & Dragons Z + Super Mario Bros. Edition (2015) Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure (2015) Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (2015) Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam (2016)
Nintendo Land (2012) New Super Mario Bros. U (2012) New Super Luigi U (2013) Super Mario 3D World (2013) Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games (2013) NES Remix (2013) NES Remix 2 (2014) Super Smash Bros. for Wii U (2014) Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars (2015) Mario Party 10 (2015) Super Mario Maker (2015) Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (2015) Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash (2015) DO YOU GUYS THINK WE WILL GET SOME MORE MARIO GAMES??????
>>324138924 Let's remove Mario from the game just for example. What we are left with are very different games that are only linked by characters and settings. So, yes. I hope we do get some more Mario games because they are the most innovative and at some points inventive games ever created.
Android lollipop or higher Atleast 2gb ram Amoled display Latest snapdragon Option to put in sim card and turn into phone Atleast 16gb internal memory Physical buttons. None of that onscreen shit Port nintendo games to device
>>324138858 Sega CD released a little earlier than that, but you're right.
Like I said, the sega analogy is a much more extreme version of the same thing. BUT the general principle still applies. The Wii U has been an unfortunate failure and they're dropping it prematurely. There is inherently lower confidence in nintendo's next endeavor for this very reason. It's certainly an uphill battle.
But things can turn around. The Dreamcast, despite popular belief, was pretty damn successful during its short time pre-PS2. It only failed because it wasn't able to be successful enough to counter all the other failures that Sega had before then. Point being that despite the Saturn's failure (in the west), the DC was still able to be popular with consumers. But Sega did EVERYTHING right with the dreamcast. So I'm not saying Nintendo can't turn things around, but they'll likewise have to put out the perfect console.
>>324138974 >Yes, cause that helped the Vita oh so much. The difference here is we're expecting the vare minimum for 2016. When mid-range smartphones are sporting 1440p screens is it too much to ask for NX to have a 720p screen at the least?
>>324134848 Nothing. Nintendo still hasnt solved their main problem that they have with HD development and wii u development(although they had time to do this since 2005) and by going to even more powerful hardware the amount of people needed to develop a game within a 3-4 development cycle doubles once again. In the end they will only have 1/4 of the people needed to make a gc/ wii tier first party line up, so a good first party support is impossible unless they upsize their development teams by 4times.
>>324139249 >But they do? Your standards for looking great must be low as fuck. It is made more apparent when you're playing games on one of the XL units, and things look even worse due to the large low rea screen.
God damn, I'm tired of you drones defending such dumb design choices.
>>324139635 You may be right about that. I don't know, I think the graphic power creep is actually killing videogames. You don't need every game to look hyper realistic, and I do honestly think the 3DS games look good. At least nice enough. The retro graphics movement of late is not only about nostalgia.
>>324139609 >Nintendo still hasnt solved their main problem that they have with HD development Nigga, no one has solved that problem even with staffs going over 1k. Most of these bigger studios need 2-3 three cycling to meet their quotas. Even then, there are still been an absurd amount of broken relays and delays.
>>324139541 That's a good point. They need to think of some way to sell it to Wii U owners.
I don't personally own a Wii U. I've played it and the games are fantastic, but I never bought one myself. But I can tell you, if I were one of the people who bought one, and then I find out that nintendo is dropping and telling me to buy their next system instead, I'd be fucking pissed.
I'm just not sure how to do it. Maybe free VC games. Maybe free launch games (although I fucking hate "owning" non-physical games). Maybe some sort of voucher where people who bought a Wii U get a discount on the NX, who knows.
They also need Wii U backwards compatible, so that all the millions of gamers out there who didn't buy a Wii U but would be interested in playing Wii U games would have an incentive to picking up the NX, just as many people who didn't own a gamecube picked up a wii because it could also play GC games.
>>324139659 As long as they don't call it something stupid, they have something catchy to show off and they actually advertise it, it'll be fine. It'd actually be a good time to try to up their game and make their console look less childish, especially if they end up calling it the Nintendo Next, with a cool logo and everything. A Metroid game would definitely help them to achieve that look.
This is a complete tangent, but there should be a fucking peripheral with cartridge slots and controller ports for NES/SNES/N64 so that you can play corresponding these on your NX without having to re-buy games you already own on VC
>>324139932 They need 2-3 teams to get 1 game per year and that on several platforms. They solved the issue as good as possible. Meanwhile nintendo has development cycles that last longer than 5 years and the result is still unfinished.
Unless they go out and hire 10k more devs, it will just have the same nogames proble as the wii u has but this time with even more expensive games.
>>324139962 >Wii U backwards compatible I don't think that's gonna be plausible, if they end up going with the console/handheld hybrid thing, then it will use some sort of cards instead of disks. You can bet your ass they'll port most of the U games to that, though, just like what they did with lots of GCN games for the Wii, even though that thing was retrocompatible.
My only hope is that Nintendo doesn't go the way of Sega.
In order for that to happen: >Hardware that is at least on par with XBO/PS4 >Get the same multiplats that keep the competition afloat (FIFA, Madden, CoD, etc.) >Put some actual money into marketing like with Splatoon >Have Zelda U as a launch title
That alone would keep the NX from crashing and burning.
>>324140364 I'm saying this in terms of what they SHOULD do. I think the console/handheld hybrid gimmick is a terrible idea and I'd put that under the category of "should not do". So all my recommendations preclude that not being a reality.
>>324140434 They won't give a fuck about launch line up. They want you ponying up the $60 burgers for new games. They will release 1 or 2 games right at launch and then flood it with mario cut and paste #300000. Then a year later as its dying, they'll announce bc.
>>324140597 Well, this is a thread about hopes for the NX, after all. We're saying what they need to do to stand a chance.
If this was a thread about what they're actually going to do, then I would just say it's going to be barely on-par with PS4/Xbone, have a new useless gimmick, have shitty 3rd party support, a terrible launch lineup, and more NSMB rehashes.
>>324140213 >They need 2-3 teams to get 1 game per year and that on several platforms. One team handles one game and usually spends 3-5 years developing it. If extra manpower is needed for porting and shit, they either pull from other branches or contract lesser studios to assist. There's no real difference between what they and Nintendo are doing except some publisher have concrete deadlines and things will be cut to meet it.
>unfinished I can't take you serious when you say stuff like that.
>>324140483 >NX isnt even coming out this year There so many things indicating this that we can say with a 90% chance of truth that it will come 2016, starting from a contract with sharp in 2014 that states mass production for free form displays in mid 2016 and iwata saying in 2014 that their new platform would be ready in 2 years(2016) to the fact that there are close to no wii u games in 2016 and not a single one for 2017.
>>324140556 >console/handheld hybrid gimmick is a terrible idea It's actually a great idea, if they do it well. Think about it, Nintendo handhelds are the main product for Nintendo. The hybrid thing allows them to have a new handheld out at the same time they please their console fans. Also, they can sell the handheld part as a separate thing, and what's more, why do people buy Nintendo consoles? To play Nintendo and associates' games. The console/handheld thing allows them to unite all their development teams, which means more games will come out for the thing.
-An actual Paper Mario game -A proper console Kirby -Smash with a new director and no anime shit -Mario Kart 8 but more content and better roster -proper 3D mario -Proper 3D metroid -An F-Zero game -Pikmin -an inventive new IP
Fuck the Wii U pad, it's cool as an accessory, not as the main thing. If there's something Sony and Microsoft have done right it's the controllers.
This thing is GOAT, they should use it for everything
Also, don't call it Wii Pii or something like that, I know the Wii was the most successful Nintendo console, but keeping the name will just confuse people, that's why you use numbers instead of words if you wanna continue the legacy of the console. Wii 2 would have been much more marketable than Wii U.
>>324141215 Sm4sh is actually a great example of how may it work. It looks meh in the 3DS and it looks great in the U. I don't get the point you're trying to make with the dumbed down stuff, what's dumbed down?
>>324141574 The Ice Climbers? Did they actually said that? Doesn't Rosalina work in pretty much the same way with the star? In any case, the difference between the U and the 3DS is a lot bigger than the one 2 systems designed to work in tandem will have, I guess.
>>324141404 >It looks Yeah and it sucks gameplay wise because handheld was a bottleneck(ice climbers and so on). And the look comes only from being developed completely different and just using the same physics at the end, so they made 2 different games with 2 different dev teams and then made the gameplay equal, something that would be done when they truly crossdevelop the games.
When developing a game for 2 platfoems the weakest one will always be a bottleneck and if something canne done on one version(ice climbers) but not on the one that is the bottleneck it simply wont work.
Yeah this might work out for some games, 2d platformers for example, but thevast majority of the library would take a hit in what can be done or not(just imagine a pikmin game having to run on a handheld with a weak cpu and 30 pikmins max and a console that can easily handle 100 pikmins, then both will have 30 max).
>>324142082 Well, as I said, that shouldn't be a problem with the NX, since it should be designed to be used like that. Also, the bulk of the CPU should be in the handheld, so the console mode should only make the games prettier.
My main problems with Wii U were >underpowered >overpriced >system all around feels dated Fix those and your good
Keep it cheap, like $300 at BEST, not too weak, find a balance like PS2 did
Let's be real, Nintendo is never going to get 3rd Party support So Nintendo systems will always be better as secondary/complimentary systems so the cheaper the better
Thats actually a wonderful thing nowadays since everything be coming to PC rendering consoles kinda pointless
a literal Nintendo machine is aight, it seems to be what they're doing to with the handheld/console combination so it will be like get waves and waves of 1st/2nd party games since practically the yearly releases of Wii U and 3DS would be fused together, which would be amazing
Also I actually encourage gimmicks since it makes the system more specialized since that would make for types of games you can't get anywhere else like with DS and Wii U, I like a system that makes me think >this game would be cool on this system since it has this feature Just don't pull a Kinect or Wii U where it sacrifices pricing too much
>>324144319 It's because of that, PS4 at this point have been selling only at brand name, It has literally 2-3 games decent everything is better on PC, Nintendo needs to step up their game and market their fucking consoles to Casual-gamers wannabes instead of Casual-Soccer moms.
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