>no one is talking about indivisible anymore So it was really

Ew make her brown not white

You'd be surprised.

Are you seriously asking this anon?

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Ha ha ha.

Anyway,I haven't heard much of it since the game got funded successfully.

The updates have stopped. There's nothing new to discuss.

>>324122309

I'm just waiting for the release - the hard part, getting it funded, is over now.

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>>324122356
tasteless monkey

It's funded and now under development. Can't hash it out in a day, no matter how much money you have.

>>324122515
>prefering white generic animu waifu instead of superior brown little girl
utterly disgusting

>>324122309
>>324122515

>tumblr nose

Kill yourselves

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>>324122437
>>324122456
this tbqh

There's a general on /vg/ for it and skillgirls, so eveybody who cares talks there unless there's new news to be talked about here.

Also post favorite incarnations.

>tfw no cool fanart of tenoch

>>324122515
>>324122309
Using a sword is way cooler than an axe, and I do prefer fair skin, but why the ugly black hair?

>>324122580
You nigger from an african country infested with AIDS wouldn't know, but white people have reddish noses.

>>324122683

Sure thing, tumblrina.

>>324122683
mine doesnt

>>324122309
>shill your SHITTY game
>get funded
>"W-why isn't anyone talking about it ;(?"
Fuck you

>>324122736
>>324122580
>he actually thinks tumblr would make a white character
l
o
l

>>324122773
You aren't white.

>>324122683
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but not everyone has a swollen red nose. You should go to a dermatologist.

>shills

Knock it off.

There was a lot of buzz over the initial reveal, funding campaign and demo version. Now that it's funded, it's just a case of waiting for completion and release. Expect discussion to die down until there's more to talk about.

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>>324122546
>shittalking Shanoa

why do you must bring shame to your family

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>blaming /v/'s advanced shitposting on shills

>>324123409
It's not his fault he was born after the year 2000
He was still in grade school when OoE came out

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>>324123685
JUST GIVE HIM THE PIZZA ALREADY
THIS GIF MAKES SO MAD

>>324123739
Doesn't excuse him from not playing it, considering how you can emulate so many things now.
Didn't have any console while growing up, but that didn't prevent me from emulating things later on.

>>324123794

Skellies don't deserve pizza.

>>324125015
YOU
DOUBLE NIGGER

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>>324123978
>downloaded the OOE rom the day it was uploaded
>played it a bit in the morning before going to school
>mfw finally getting home and playing all day

>>324122596
>Wanting more generic sword wielding protagos

That's the point when I knew you were a pleb

>>324125921
Better than a retarded looking hand axe.

Poelarms>Maces>Hammers>Swords>Axes

>>324122309
The campaigns over. When there's a new development people will talk about it.

Bloodstained got that new anime-Lookin' shader and people talked about that too

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>>324126249
>comparing tumblr the game to bloodstained

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>>324122309
If we kept talking about it you'd still cry shill, you retarded faggot.

>>324123794
You realise he's fending him off

Pizza defeats skeleton

>>324122309
Yes, this game definitely has marketing budget
Indies these days are actually AA games, they just use the indie term so that people don't shit on the poor graphic quality, like what happens often to real AA games.

>>324123019
>multiple threads a day every day prior to funding
>now literally nothing
You shut the fuck up it was obvious shilling and they were called out on it every time, it just didn't stop anything

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Post em'

FAT ANKLES
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A
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L
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S

>>324122683
We're also 3D.

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>>324129725
At least post the full list, retard.

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>>324129573

There were multiple threads a day because there were updates on a daily basis and /v/ couldn't shut the fuck up about supposed SJWs.

>>324122309
sword is familiar
where's it from m8?

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>>324122356
No

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I didn't like the demo. I felt like I couldn't even appreciate the character designs and attacks because there was so much shit on screen at one time. Really frustrated me. Some of the platforming was frustrating as well. I just want it to be a little less manic.

>>324129725
Shit taste.

>>324130116
maybe you should stick to books grampa

>>324130116
>I didn't like the demo.
I don't remember there being a demo.

>>324130386
The prototype or whatever.

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>>324122309
What sword is that?

>>324122309
no one talk about undertales two years ago after the KS succedeed either

>>324130386
downloaded it off the PSN store. The beta or whatever the fuck it is.

>>324130531
Seems like it's intended to be some kind of rapier to me.

>>324130521
>>324130661
I remember there being a prototype, which is quite different from a demo or a beta.

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>>324130531>>324130723
pretty sure that's the kirkhammer and holy blade swords from Bloodborne.

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>>324130531
This one, I think.

>>324130817
>>324130847
I knew it was reminding me of the Souls games. Cheers lads.

>>324122309
I've been following them on Twitter and they haven't posted anything at all since the game got funded. Knowing what happened Starbound, I'm pretty sure this a good thing rather than bad.

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>>324122590

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>>324122590

>>324129725
>still using my legend after all this time
I'm flattered.

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>>324131126
>the only good one is an edit

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>>324130109
This is nice design

>>324129963
It's amazing how racist those caricatures are.

>>324122309
Fuck off EvaXephon.

>>324130743
Yeah anon a "prototype".
Totally like these "beta" who are publicly release just before the game is release, right ?

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>>324130109
Not meme enough

>>324131326
It makes their design more interesting.

>>324131326
it's amazing how weak that bait is

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>>324131498
>Totally like these "beta" who are publicly release just before the game is release, right ?
Indivisible isn't out till Q1 2018, m8.

>>324122309
>So it was really just shills?

Dude they planned the 4chan shilling in public on their skullheart forum

>>324131797
Source?

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>red: chars who are boring af
>green: chars who I really hope are good because I am going to find a way to jam them into my party no matter what

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>>324129963

Expect undertale levels of tumblr and cancer when it releases.

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>>324131872
>>324132047
>not linking Sangmu and Baozhai
Fags.

>>324131872
Knowing how the battles work I don't think there are going to be straight-up bad characters.

>>324132047
>no toko
>no nuna
>no lanshi
>no baozhai
>no kushi
>no thorani
you are bad and should feel bad

>>324131851
http://skullgirls.com/forums/index.php?threads/help-advertise-indivisible.8273/page-2#post-323832

I don't want to go through every fucking page, but just take my word it goes deeper on how to post on /v/ for the game.

>>324132134
I don't dislike either
but they aint at the top of my list

>>324132117
Yeah I can't wait for the porn too. Let's just hope they won't focus too much on bara shit.

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>>324129725

>>324132195
>knowing the names

Shill detected.

>>324132203
damn
they really did it
the absolute mad men

>>324132195
>knowing how to read

Shill detected.

>>324132298
>literacy is the mark of a shill

>>324132298
they're written under the characters retard

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>>324132294
You forgot one

>>324132298
>Not seeing the names underneath the pictures.

>>324132298

it's right fucking there

>>324132410
so did the devs

>>324132294
isn't Zubaz getting into this game?

>>324132294
holy fuck why are the tie-in characters so good
I think lab zero should just get hired by other game devs to do the art for their games, fuck
let other devs come up with the character concepts, because they're way more interesting that way, then get LZero to make all the sprites and art assets

>>324132294
curses n chaos is an absolute shit game with unbelievably awesome art and I'm glad it's character is being put in a new game

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>>324132501
>>324132564
disgusting inferior versions

>>324132203
Meh the game will probably be decent at worst so who cares if they shilled a bit for it.

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>>324132580
awesome is not the word I would use to describe it

>Game doesn't come out for another 2 years

What did you expect?

>>324130817
>>324130847
kirkmind

>>324132718
I dunno, I fucking love the palete and the design of all the characters and monsters is beautiful
I think it's got a lot of style, the artists had a lot of talent, and then they put it at a ludicrous 1998 phone resolution out of a misguided fetishization of the ultra-lo-fi aesthetic

>>324122309
The game has a literal 3 year wait till release. You think we should talk about it with no news, go general tier, just circle-jerk for hours on end, and shit up /v/ with a bunch of non-discussion?

I mean are you fuckin retarded?

>>324126132
>Hating axes

>>324132117
I don't think it appeals to the kiddies or homeshitters.

Shitposting will be fun.

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>>324132564
even though i like whitewashing, she looks better brownish tbqh. you guys make it look uncanny valley tier.

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Whats there to talk about?

>>324132294
Holy shit HLD looks fucking cool
>>324132505
Yes he is, but hes a boss

>>324132505
>>324134116
Plague of Gripes I love you.

>>324132895
Those "talented artists" have no idea how to make video game art judging by their jerking off over the background making it so convoluted you can barely make out the characters. You have to wonder if their paintings are as poorly composited.

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>>324131326
it's okay, it's DIVERSE so insecure white people feel better about themselves

>>324132047
this is basically it. I can't believe how terrible the character design is

>all these faggots not liking Naga Rider

Your collective lack of JUSTICE disgusts me

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>>324122309
>So it was really just shills? For a indie game?

It was a game catering to SJW and I simply do no like SJW of any kind. They can have a game for their type of people, but don't expect me to like it. The best I can do is ignore it, but you fuckers won't let me. You just won't fucking let me pretend this shit isn't in development. Can't you go away to tumblr or reddit or other social websites?

Why come to 4chan of all places to talk about a LGBT game?

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>>324129725

Shit game.

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>>324132617
Disgusting Inferior Weapons

>>324129963
K O G I
O
G
I

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>all these shit opinions

>>324122309
It's not coming out for another two years and there's zero new information, what would we talk about

Frankly I'm fucking shocked you faggots managed to reach 120 posts

>>324129963
I want to fuck Ren.

>>324135873
Why is my husbando shrouded in the mist?

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>Nobody else liking Hassam

Personally, I'm amazed that any of you even have brain cells

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>>324135086
What this gentleman said

>>324137208
>>324137684
>>324135873
>>324135448
>>324132280
>>324132047
>>324131872
>>324129963

Most all of these designs are so goddamn bland. The first four ones they posted are the ones you can tell had more effort put into them, the rest are either dull (George, Ren, Kushi), or "let's cobble lots of things together and hope it sticks" that ironically still look dull (Kampan, Toko, Narssus).

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Enjoy your social justice game, bluepills.

>>324122515
STUPID DISCIPLE

>>324138285

This sounds more like "different people don't have to be assholes to each others" than a sjw message.

>>324138643
>"we are making this game for social justice."
>>t-that doesn't prove anything!

>>324138643
>>324138643
Trying too hard to force that mémè, shitlord.

>>324135086
>Stop liking what I dont like: the novel
Nobody hates queers as much as me, but get that stick out your ass man

>>324138761
>>324138792

Aren't SJW the people who tell you you should feel bad for being part of the majority?

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>>324122590

Not out yet OP, no real new news so not much to talk about.

>>324122309
>back during the funding
>plenty of shit to talk about because it was getting constantly updated, and there were the streams and shit
>people make indivisible threads sharing the joy of progress, the amazement of new incarnations and the fun of pissing off you "shill" faggots

>now
>fuck-all to talk about since there isn't anything new revealed outside of gayninja which happened a while ago
>so nobody makes threads because, as established, there's nothing to talk about
I know using your brain is hard, OP, but sometimes it's the only way.

>>324138176
they're clearly rushed to get out to the indiegogo page as fast as possible, while the first couple were planned and made for the game already
hope they redesign them

>>324122515
Shanoa is best

>>324138176
>le bland meme

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>>324131872
They really have a cripled asian woman in there? Holy shit! when they said this game was Tumblr pandering i thought they were fucking joking.

>>324132654

So said the shill.

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>>324122309
>So it was really just shills?

You would have known that already if you weren't a newfag who wasn't around for the Skullgirls release. Lab Zero relentlessly shilled the game on here non stop for the weeks leading up to the release.

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>>324139946
>crippled asians are now somehow tumblr pandering
I want newfags to leave

>>324139803

Greentexting a word, adding "le" in front of it and calling it a meme does more to discredit your disagreement than it does my statement, anon.

>>324140104
>implying it isnt

Remind me again why the KS fags were chased off of /v/ again?

>>324122596
I love axes, but the Unfundable axe was a wimpy piece of shit. Gimme big fat two hander axe to cleave and crush my foes with goddammit

Why is this games concept art so shit?

>>324129725
>no Russians
No buy

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>>324139946
>that perfect figure
>those perfect legs
>dat pantyhose

>tumblr pandering

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>All these people hating George
>mfw It's the first proper English representative in a videogame
>He's fucking Saint George
>mfw I'm the only person who likes it

>>324131872
Not one sexy girl. Not even 1/28. Can't even get a bone thrown.

No, shitskins that are fully dressed and armless retards are not attractive.

>>324129976
There were no "updates", faggot. All "updates" were advertisements of its funding status.

>>324140470
cyka blyat

>>324129963
>not!Kamen Rider
>not!Guts
>not!Don Quixote
>not!Princess Jasmine
>not!Tharja
>not!Vi
What an original cast.

>>324140517
Why wasnt a man?

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>>324123978
>Only had once console per gen growing up
>Mfw discovering emulation
My backlog is infinite, but at least I'm set for life if the industry continues going tits up like this

>>324132134
>turning your clothes into a bunch of arms to drag foes to hell
It was cooler (and sexier) when Bayonetta did it

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>>324132527
I actually liked a lot of the designs in Skullgirls but like 90% of the party members in Indivisible are bland as fuck. Did they blow all of their good ideas on Skullgirls or something?

>>324140686
>he wants a man with a perfect figure, perfect legs and wearing pantyhose
Are you aware that you're gay?

Looks like Cultural Appropriation: The Game.

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>>324140686
Because that wouldn't make my dick hard, faggot.

>>324141082
Answer, if it wasnt a tumblr pandering why isnt a man?

>>324141142
Not talking to you right now faggot, get in line.

>>324141125
>"Why is there people from other cultures in this game? It should be more bland" - an American

>>324122309
Its not coming out for like 2 more years.

>>324140283
Because a board for general threads was created.

>>324140283
cus a vn isnt a videogame?

>>324140104
>that pic
I see a bunch of white girls with kooky gooky Suzuki names, anon, not Asians

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>>324122309
Yes.

>>324141228
Because tumblr pandering isnt defined by the inclusion of female characters.

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>>324141726
>I take people's word on a anonymous image board

>>324141610
They were kicked off way before.

>>324141785
>cripled asian woman
>not a minority
>not tumblr pandering.

HAAH WAAW.

>>324140670
I'm just saying, man. If we're gonna do poorly stereotyped versions of IRL cultures for characters, I want to be able to play a vodka swilling babushka who throws Matroyska cluster bombs at people and can summon Baba Yaga's chicken foot house to stomp enemies to death.

Let's just go whole hog with this whole vaguely racist caricatures thing Indivisible has going on

>>324122309
There's nothing to talk about you fucktard. Do you want people to talk nonstop about a game that isn't even out and that no one knows shit about? what the fuck are you going to discuss? your hype? all fucking day?

>>324141005
Even the redesigned guest characters from other games look way better than the main cast.

Not even necessarily more aesthetically pleasing, just like more work was put into them.

>>324141990
B-BUT DAT WOULD BE RACIS!!
#progressive stack
#wagegap
#killallwhitemen

Indie games are always the ones that get shilled on the internet the most and get paid reviews out of the ass because games that already belong to an established brand don't have to worry as much in making people aware that they exist.

>>324138176
>"let's cobble lots of things together and hope it sticks"
I mean that was already the strategy for skullgirls so why not the same here?

>>324141228
>if it wasnt a tumblr pandering why isnt a man?
Including women =/= tumblr pandering

Now, if she was a hamplanet who wanted people to refer to her as "xer" like the fluentsexual lizardkin attack helicopter like she feels she is deep inside, then you'd have a point.

Why do you think tumblr whines about attractive characters? Because they don't like them. Yan is relatively attractive, so saying she's "tumblr pandering" is like saying that including old hags is "lolicon pandering". AKA, it's completely backwards.

>>324142126
>killallwhitemen
Babushka is a granny, anon. You can have whites so long as they're women.

Speaking of, give us a Gaelic waifu with a shillelagh beatstick. Properly Gaelic girls are just as underrepresented in vidya as randomly vaguely brown vaguely Asian people. Probably moreso, even.

>>324141926
It's exactly what happened though.

>>324142392
>Yan is relatively attractive
A minority.

> so saying she's "tumblr pandering" is like saying that including old hags is "lolicon pandering". AKA, it's completely backwards.

You post is basically all wrong but this part takes the cake, fucking bravo.

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>>324122309
>best character in the game is from another IP

How did they fuck up so bad?

>>324142538
>A minority.
You'd be crazy if you think there isn't plenty of people wouldn't tap that ass like mad, arms or not. Then there's those people who have a fetish for footjobs, and they are most certainly NOT a minority.

>le ur wrong but i'm not gonna tell you why you just are ur so dummy! xD!
Well, this was easy.

>>324138285
I never realized she had no arms wtf

>>324142610
>implying Red isn't the flat out best character in any game ever

She's sure close to that at least. Her design is one of the few I'd rate 10/10 in any game I've played. The only other 10/10 I can think of right now is Nito.

>>324142912
>You'd be crazy if you think there isn't plenty of people wouldn't tap that ass like mad

They didnt include her to be your fap material though, you know this to be true.

>Well, this was easy
>implying something like tumblr pandering is something hard to tell
>using false equality like lolis vs hag argument

You're grasping for straws, which adding to what i said earlier makes you all the wrongest.

>>324142332

The colour scheme for each design pulled everything together in Skullgirls. Designs like purple with red trim, or cream and purple, or white with splashes of red and blue, or even orange with teal and purple - they weren't afraid to have saturation. The better Indivisible designs work because they're not afraid to use strong colours, like Thorani's clash of cyan/gold/pale blue against dark purple and dark skin, or Zebei's admittedly weak compliment of cream and yellow that form a great contrast against his black gloves/sleeves and red bands, or Baozhai's strong scheme of red and white against the yellow trims and yellow shoulder-cannon.

The irony is that with Skullgirls the developers were more closely following the design philosophy of games like Street Fighter, with comparatively barren designs using contrasting shapes of colour to compliment and contrast - designs that people would call bland for lack of 'detail' or 'fashion'. Costumes can't be devoid of details, like patterns or buttons or torn hems or layers of clothing, but it's easy to tell when contrasting details are being thrown together with little purpose other than hoping for something greater than the sum of their parts.

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>>324122590
Toss-up between her and Kogi.

pale skin with dark hair is best but the original design fits the setting better

i dont get how you faggots can complain about something like this of all things

>>324123794
hes being attacked by the pizza, not being offered it

>>324143396
>you know this to be true.
OK, so we have Razmi who is clearly supposed to appeal to those Hex Maniac idiots, and Nuna who is supposed to appeal to lolicons, and Phoebe who is supposed to appeal to amazonfags, and Kogi who is supposed to appeal to barafags, and Ren who is supposed to appeal to fuccbois and boi fuccers, and Thorani who is all-around fappable character, and Toko who is supposed to appeal to those Catholic idiots from /pol/, and Sangmu to appeal to the autismoe fans...

But Yan being fap material for footfags is somehow not obvious as shit and clearly intended? Not to mention she's also all-around attractive. Yeah, she has no arms but you're going to have sex with her vagina, not her arms.

>still not telling me why my comparison was wrong
Save us both the embarrassment and stop posting already. As said, Yan is not a hamplanet with a list of pronouns and sexual orientations longer than most telephone directories, so there's no way it can appeal to tumblr.

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>>324137684
>thats a fucking ball

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>>324142610
source my ass.

>>324144636
>hating the shotel salesman
Absolutely terrible taste I seriously hope him and Kogi can both actually use their food in battle. Either that or they get skills that let them craft consumables.

>>324144923
What, that Red is in the game? Check their crowdfunding page, there are a load of indie characters in it. Shovel Knight and Shantae are also in.

>>324145059
I was talking about "the best character" she's not even that "cool", the game is good I give you that, like the music.

>>324145176
Dude red has like my favorite design of any female character ever though. She's super pretty without being blatantly fanservicey or even having an impractical outfit. Also just she's super pretty.

I like indivisible because it brings out the hypocritical nature of /v/

>>324147278
what do you mean

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>>324147278
And how stupid people can be.

>>324135086
>EVERYTHING IS SJW!
wew

>>324138285
I'm not a conservative, anon, so I will!

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why is it called indivisible when i can still see it?

>>324147414
/v/ hates it because "sjws" yet acts identical to the SJWs in this situation

>game has scantly clad woman
>SJWs boycott and scream my soggy knees
>game has a cast that isn't 100% white aryan neo nazis
>/v/ screams "SJW" and says they won't buy it

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>>324147615
Because brown girls.

>>324147623
/v/ hates it because the game plays and looks like shit. The demo was just a demonstration on how weak is grasp of the devs in what makes a good and fluid game. The design of the characters are uninspired and if we take together everything that was posted we have almost a thesis on why indivisible is bad.

But of course as a defense force you choose to ignore all the arguments and just focus on shitpost nobody is taking seriously but people trying to defend this game.

>so many people that hate naga rider
It's like you fags hate JUSTICE or something.

>>324147927
Look at all those objective facts!

>>324148005
Just because it was based on something good, doesn't make the design better. It looks like shit.

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>>324147927
>/v/ hates it cause it's shit
Then why does no one shit on these "shit" parts of the game? Why is everyone focusing on the rumored "SJW" aspect of the game? Why not just hide the thread?

Fuck it, I just downloaded the free pototype demo. What am I in for?

>>324148048
It just looks like an overlord from gaim, so I'm cool with it.

>>324148381
We did. A lot. I myself wrote at least 2 walls of text explaining why this game is bad and none of it had to do with skin color or sjw.

It's just that we realized it's pointless to try to point flaws in this game now that it is shielded by sjw defense force. Despite not even in a single line in my post was talking about skin colors, defenders of the game said I hated it because there was not white people enough.

>>324148539
It's too late for you, anon. The SJW indoctrination has already begun, your complimentary hair dye and tattoos are in the mail.

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>>324122309
>not chocolate flavored

>>324135086
>WAHH WAHH I DONT LIKE THIS SO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT

No matter how "intelligent" you try to sound you still end up being the crybaby with a victim complex.

>>324122309
/v/ only talked about how it would fail. It succeeded so why would they continue talking about?

>>324148621
Why do you keep saying "we" as if you represent /v/ or are part of some hivemind concious?

also
>complain people accuse you of hating it for being SJW
>Randomly accuse anyone not hating it of being a defense force
lol

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and it worked, the devs got a mountain of stupid peoples money from the whole thing

>>324148708
We as in me and the other people pointing out the flaws of the game. This thing of being part of some hivemind conscious you got from your own ass.

Can 'man armor' fags jet back to /k/? This is vidya. Not real armor talk

>>324122515
Looks like the dude in Hatred

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KAMEN RIDER
DELICIOUS BROWN
DOG

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>>324148621
>>324148835
>we
>this guy is so lonely and pathetic he has to delude himself into thinking he's part of a group

>>324148973
this game should be named "revenge of the colonies"

>>324149145
That's the whole reason he's here attacking it. Because of a very tribalistic feeling that "/v/" is against it and anyone discussing it is "not /v/" and must be purged

>>324147454
>psysical

>>324148629
Ajna's a cutie!

>there are people
>on 4chan
>RIGHT NOW
>who hate brown people

I wish /v/ didn't fall for waifubait garbage so easy but c'est la vie

Can't wait until it bombs!

>>324131154
>hey everyone pay attention to me

>>324149965
>there are people
>on 4chan
>RIGHT NOW
>who are surprised at racism

You dumb nigger.

>>324150062
>>324149965
I hate brown people
That's why I fap exclusively to brown girls.

>>324149773
cutie!

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>>324148973
When will they get characters of actual importance in?

>>324150906
this made me chuckle

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>>324150385
>hate brown people
>mfw im brown
Its ok i mostly lurk /v/ and not post much.

>>324147525
This post belong on reddit or YouTube comments for how retarded it is

>>324132134
>50% tumblr nose

>>324148973
Why the fuck are their so many characters?

Is this going to be some strategy rpg? Or a general jrpg?

If it's the latter, what's the fucking point of having so many god damn characters? That shit is annoying.

>>324151676
Not all of them are playable characters.

>>324150732
Alright I just finished it.

Well that was really fun, although I think that I'd like it more if it were a straight up Metroidvania.

Ajna is cute though. CUTE!

>>324151763
Then again, what is the point?

If they're shop keeps or whatever, then that's still so many unnecessary unique designs.

Someone post the blue swimsuit anja version

>>324134635
>Implying Scott Pilgrim game had bad art design
>Implying the same of Mercenary Kings

You're not even trying.

I was turned off for this game looking at the graphics, but after trying it out, man, how I loved this game. You need your eyes checked if you think it's hard to tell enemies from the background.

>>324149994
Haha just like tortanic amirite?

>>324151443
>REEEE You don't follow the hivemind! You don't belong!
top kek

>Hates brown people
>Ms Fortune & Cerebella fags get a free pass
Admit it. You only want to be mad because Indivisible isn't as sexy as Skullgirls.

>>324154816
>10 minutes ago
...ok you caught us.