https://youtu.be/0RzIDj0FGH0 Is he right, /v/?

He usually isn't.

>Here's some problems about <subject>
>Here's how 'I' would handle it...which has its own flaws and inherent issues related to gaming
>The end

>people enjoy video game stories

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>>324098613
>Doesn't know jack shit about religion
>Doesn't know jack shit about science
>Doesn't know jack shit about vidya
This guy is truly hopless. Yet he keeps getting attention. Probably because of the Ayy Jews movie.

>Extra Credits
Did somebody say SPIRIT SCIENCE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt3SFJcCjTs

>>324100691
Don't forget he doesn't know jackshit about history either.

>>324098613
>EC

Fuck right off.

Someone post the video
You know which one

WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF INTERNET GUYS

>>324101195
What did he fuck up with history?

>>324101483
Download more ram!

>>324100802
What the fuck is this, a JRPG plot?

>>324101736
Fucking. Everything.

>>324102542
Examples? Videos? Give me something to go on here.

>Linking Extra Credits to /v/ unironically

>>324100691
>>324101195

jelly as fuck

>why don't games provide as much "ponder-able narrative" as other mediums

BECAUSE THEY ARE FUCKING VIDEO GAMES

>>324098613
the fuck is wrong with his voice

He said Hearthstone was F2P done right. Fuck him.

>>324098613
has he made a successful videogame? why is telling us how to make video games?

>>324100691
>Ayy Jews movie
wat

>>324098613

I'm not going to watch your dumb youtube video, what does he say in it?

>>324105591

Apparently the people at EC help make videogames or something. But heck if I know what games

>>324105649
>>324102716

Pretty sure it's a reference to
>>324100802
could be wrong

I fucking hate Spirit Science.

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The episode where the script writer vlogs about his "video game addition" ruining his "life" and fucking cries

I wanted to strangle that fucker
I haven't watched this shit since

>extra credits

no

>>324098613
Extra Credits is so fucking awful

>>324106170
link pls

>>324101483
>>324101762

STOP POSTING! YOU'RE MAKING IT WORSE!

>>324106310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05fxAOCVeWE&feature=youtu.be

1:12

Why is EC allowed to get away with such terrible editing? I can see how it was okay three years ago when you're just starting out and don't know too much about flash or editing in general, but it's literally been hundreds of videos later and it's the same powerpoint-esque slideshow animation.

I mean, shit, even illwillpress had better shit than this.

>>324106512
who cares about the awful editing when he's doing chipmunk voices over everything

>extra credits
Stop shilling your shit

>>324101736
Think he tried his hand in history by going for a big one. The Crusades. It was...bad

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>>324098613
Why does he use a voice changer? I don't understand why.
WHY

>>324105794
No. One person made 1 or a couple of mobile games, so now all of them they're experts. The guy who writes it isn't a part of anything, and the girl (if she's still around) just does art.

>>324098613
Why do we bully people who don't archive.is articles from shitty sites, but we let faggots like this one post links to shitty youtube videos instead of transcribing the few interesting bits?

Every time you post we slowly run out of internet to shit post on.

>>324106991
It's sped up. I think it was to shorten the length of his videos.

>>324107251
What?

EVERY SECOND YOU BROWSE THE INTERNET IS ANOTHER SECOND OF INTERNET LOST FOREVER. WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE INTERNET FOREVER AT THIS RATE.

>>324098613
>video games aren't movies

Maybe in a few years these fags will understand and go away. Probably not, though.

>>324100802
that's pretty entertaining compared to his usual shit

he should return to his roots

>>324104856
THIS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuqmKg6QQTw

>>324098613
God I hate this fucking guy

>>324107554
We are RUNNING OUT OF AIR.

>>324107943
>according to the fcc we are straight up gonna run out of bandwidth before 2014
>straight up gonna run out of bandwidth before 2014
>run out of bandwidth before 2014
>before 2014
>2014

>>324102203
underreated post

>>324107943
mfw I would have believed this if people didnt laugh at it so much

>>324101361
no we don't

>>324098613
>2012 is the enlightenment year of mankind

This guy is insane.

>>324106991
Because he likes being an annoying faggot.

>>324098613
>PROBLEMATIC
>ITS 2012 COME ON
>LITERALLY RAPE
>ANYTHING DONE BY A WOMAN IS GREAT
>EXCEPT WHEN I DON'T REALIZE IT WAS MADE BY A WOMAN

>>324100691

All memes aside they aren't the same person right? Both two separate faggots using the same annoying gimmick right?

>>324106464
AYYYYY HAHAHHAA

>>324104856

I call those games "thinkpiece bait" because those are literally the only time people will seriously talk about them

>Her Story
>Gone Home
>That Dragon Cancer

He was good until he turned into a pseudo intellectual and his girlfriend put his balls in a vice-grip during the GG incident.

>>324098613

Why the fuck do people take 'game design' advice from these e-celebs instead of actual game developers who give talks at GDC or have their own blogs where they talk about their actual experiences in the actual industry?

>>324098613
He's usually right about the issue, but that's never really news. I haven't watched in 6+ months now, but generally shit he brings up is obvious. (the only one I learned something new about was the Chinese social game shit)

He usually brings up some solution that doesn't work and has it's own problems and everyone has known about forever but there is no documented times of someone trying to use it.

He points out that there might be falls with his way, doesn't point out the obvious shortcomings and then just ends it at that saying "We should try anyway"

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I'm really not suppose to tell you guys this but we actually did run out of internet in late 2013 luckily though i was part of the team that installed more reels and expanded it

>>324111448
Personally I watch Jools Watsham(?) his vlogs are pretty damn good, and he also usually uses examples from games he's currently working on.

>>324111448
because the presentation makes it look like they know what they're talking about even if it's all bull shit. people are like sheep and will believe someone as long as they seem confident in what they're talking about and try to make it 'fun' hence the retarded voice change and art work.

they also constantly praise the audience by complimenting them and it makes the retards who watch this feel like they're suddenly smarter.

I don't think EC is malicious, I just think they have their heads up their own ass and think their word is golden

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>>324111565
How much RAM to spare do you have until the next crash? What if somebody hacks the internets?

>>324111806
don't worry they're making these things bigger all the time so we won't run out for quite awhile and we're more worried about sun damage than hackers so we're also trying to dig the facility deeper underground to protect them

>>324106464
WHAT THE FUCK

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>Goobergate comes along
>James Portnow turns into a narcissistic lunatic within the span of a couple months

What the fuck happened to him?

>>324106464
He doesn't even describe an addiction, just his own shitty behavior as a teen

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>>324100802
>jews literally came from space

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>>324112101
>can't say Gamergate because the mere word enrages you

>>324112765
People say gooberghast, because you faggots are too autistic to not respond to it.

>>324112938
>I'm not enraged, you are!
I bet.

>>324100802
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmQegEPxJcQ&feature=iv&src_vid=17YxBa9Ey8E&annotation_id=annotation_715535

Here's what spirit science is run by

>>324111380
Her story gets a lot of flack just because it's called Her story and it's a vn

It's more of a crime solving game, there is no progressive bs

>>324113135
I think they shot themselves in the foot with the name. I haven't played it but it looks kind of interesting.

>>324113030
I do it all of the time, because you losers are literally too unintelligent to not respond to the bait. It's a good test for cripplechan's presence.

>>324113135

It's not about progressiveness. It's just that thinkpiece games don't really get much in the way of discussion outside of thinkpieces

>>324111448
well, extra credits is written by james portnow, who does work in games development, but usually as a consultant, and usually on shitty phone games.

he's not usually right
he also pitched a fit about hatred before the game was even released

>>324113316
Which shitty phone games?
Should I check MobyGames or will you do it for me?

>>324113316

Anything with critical acclaim? Does he have any credibility as a teacher of game design?

>>324113487
No, and No

He's a greasy retard

>>324113487
>>324113382
I've watched most videos from the time they were with penny arcade and in one of them he mentioned working (consulting) on both AAA and mobile titles, but never went into specifics

>>324113487
>St. John's College (NM)
>Bachelors, Classics
>2000 – 2004
>Carnegie Mellon University
>Masters, Entertainment Technology
>2006 – 2008


Literally a latin major.

>>324100802
Fuck yes, I love Spirit Science. The history of humanity one is incredible.
>Aliens from mars inhabiting atlantis
>The three of sephiroths
>A giant round spaceship underneath the spynx
>Positive and negative mental energies, Gaia, the third eye
It manages to cram basically everything into a single, cohesive and borderline insane narration. Would watch a tv show about it.

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>>324113023

>Patri Archie

That still gets me every time

>>324098613
wtf is wrong with my sound card

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>>324098613
>games offer less narrative than a tv show or book. Why?

because you play games for gameplay

you want a story, read a fucking book

>>324113487
>For FarmVille, developer Zynga had hired Portnow to incorporate narrative elements into their game as a means of providing greater context for its click-based building and harvesting.
yeah this guy's legit

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>>324114327

>>324114660
>you cannot be bad at watching a movie
have you ever been in a movie theatre?

>>324114660
>You can't be bad at understanding movies or books.

People have been fooling me for a long time then.

>>324114764
The movie doesn't stop because your bad at watching

>>324114764
black people have a natural -5 moviewatching adeptness

>>324114660
>You can't be bad at understanding movies
False.

>>324114814
>>324115064
>>324114764
The book/movie doesn't punish you for it

do you fucks not have reading comprehension? are you bad at posting in anonymous internet forums? Yes
Are you punished? no

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utk2k8Z4bJE

>that like/dislike ratio

>>324114660
This is not true, you fail to understand a movie and you will either stop watching it or not pay attention to it or continue watching it but because you don't understand it it will be as not watching it, sure you'll see the scenes but their meaning will go over your head and it's the same as not watching.
The same with reading a book or listening to an album you don't like or don't get, sure the book won't close on you but mentally it is already closed for you

>guys, fighting games are not popular enough, we need to make them casual and widen the audience despite said thing would alienate the original fan-base that has kept it alive for over 2 decades!
>muh story muh narrative

>>324115171
>My claim isn't false, because I make another claim later.

I'm sorry that you are a poor communicator, fat man from the image.

>>324111535
the chinese social game was massively misreported by them, almost the entire video is incorrect and misleading information because they didnt fact check

read up on what it actually is yourself, and how it has almost no significance compared how to much they played it up

>>324115171
he makes two statements:
1. you cannot be bad at watching/reading a movie/book
2. no artform other than video games punishes you for being bad at them
I only contested the first statement.

>>324115172
Buttmad aaa game lovers who want games to be accepted as art are hilarious.

>>324115408
>aaa game lovers
you mean indie walking sim lovers, right?

>>324115260
You just described EVERY BLOCKBUSTER MOVIE WATCHER EVER
Do you think those retards care about anything except Micheal bays explosions? money talks
the most popular books are almost always the most remedial

far from demonstrating how movies and books punish failure somehow, you proved the exact opposite. that developers continue to dumb it down, BECAUSE their respective audiences don't think at all

>>324115453
There's some overlap in the fans of The Order 1886 and The Last of Us with the walking sim audience.

>>324115291
without a punishment, or a measurement, the first statement is accurate

>>324098613
This guy is ok, but he's good only if you want to make a commercial title, that is, if you are not targeting a niche.
If you are focused to make a game that does not need to sell in millions, some crossover of genres that you like, and people like you, but you know that it was never popular with the masses than those videos are mostly useless.
So if you are EA watch his videos, if you want to get rich with games, watch his videos, if not you really don't need to.

>>324098613
why does he sound like Todd Howard?

>>324115453
These are people who think Assassin's Creed has a good story.

>>324113023

>that twitter avatar with a perspective from above to avoid showing fat

its the little details that make me burst into maniac laughter

>>324112101
>Can't even call it gamergate

You are pathetic

>>324115476
And who is hurt, and by whom, by not thinking?
Who is wasting their time and money and in the end, themselves, on stupid hings?
Who will in their long run be hurt by the consequences of such actions?
That same audience, it's just that it's not the movie that is punishing them it's themselves.

Also the game is not punishing you, it can't, it's not alive. Can a car punish you? If you do not take the time and patience to learn how to drive a car or change gears for example, and in the middle of an intersection the car turns off, the car didn't punish you, you punished yourself for not taking the time to learn how to drive that car.

>>324115872
>And who is hurt, and by whom
Idiots consuming low quality shit, lead developers to make low quality shit to make money, reducing the choices available to SHIT

you and I are hurt when stupid people win

>16 words per minute

I think it's really pointless to reduce storytelling down to this sort of quantitative analysis.

This measure is especially shit because storytelling is more than just dialogue. It's visuals and sound and a game's mechanics.

Days of Heaven would probably be close to 16 words per minute. It doesn't mean anything.

>>324116013

I haven't watched the video in the OP
Does he actually suggest that there should only be 16 words for each minute of gameplay? What about games like ace attorney, professor layton or zero escape?

>aaa titles post 2010
>story
lol

>>324116080
>I haven't watched the video in the OP
it's okay anon no one in the thread has.
No, he's counted words in some story-heavy games (FFXIII, TLOU) and found they averaged out at about 16 wpm which is what the image is from.

>>324116080

I thought he pretty clearly insinuated that this measure identified a problem between the depth of a game's narrative compared to television.

>>324116005
Truth.
But the masses will always win. It is on those who understand that and are not a part of the masses to still carve a little piece of mind for themselves.
There are so many bad movies coming out I started watching almost exclusively only movies made before the 90's, there's a lot to watch so I'm happy with that for now, the same with games, books, music etc.

>>324116197
I watched up until just after he discusses utility dialogue in Destiny, because I don't want to give him a view and I don't recall what percentage of a video does that.

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His videos are generally too high concept to really consider practically most of the time. He mentions a rule where every line should a. be about the world b. be about the character or other character or c. be something amazing or funny. I have no idea if he's referring to a cutscene, an accessible npc, a left behind archive log, or whatever.

As a game developer whose making an RPG in his spare time this either goes over shit I already know or is too ambiguous to really be applied properly, it's at several points in a video I have to ask for elaboration like a highschool teacher to a student who just makes shit up based on his own narrow perspective.

>>324111448
why do people have opinions and share their opinions?

>>324116427

Game design is a psychological science
these opinion spouters kill the credibility of game design

>>324098613

I haven't been able to take them seriously since their "balance" video. They literally hailed Riot's League of Legends as a game that had good balance.

>>324116374
this only works if there are many users who click the video away after a few seconds.
usually, a video request equals a view.

>Why don't games have as much words as a movie?
MAYBE TO GIVE THE PLAYER A BREAK YOU FUCKTARD

Just imagine what it would be to simultaneously play a game and listen to people saying 120 words per minute.
I'd go insane. It's even confusing when Metal Gear does it, let alone a game that does it with cutscenes

>>324117013
>does it with cutscenes
*without

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>>324102716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCwVhKocvto

>>324117273
I'm seeing nothing wrong

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How did we get here?

Like seriously, how the fuck did we get here?

How did gaming go from what it was to what it is now? Who asked for this to happen?

I want to say 2006 is when it started going to shit, but I couldn't articulate why. What separates 2005 from 2006?

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>>324117416
This is bait.

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>>324117470

>>324117579
The guy who made that video is just as biased as the extra credit one, if not more so. I also don't feel like I can trust anyone who puts "real" in their channel name.

>>324117714
>biased

What does "not biased" look like in your mind?

Games were not meant to tell stories through words. Meaning should be conveyed through mechanics and interactions.

>>324098613
No. It's nothing but pseudointellectual bullshit.

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>>324117714
He cites sources from Western Christian sources and a Eastern Muslim source. Stop pretending to be a retard you passive aggressive cocksucker.

I bet you are a turkish roach.

>>324117796
Gives a objective view of both sides of the tale

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>>324117979
He did, he sited a Muslim source and a Christian source, you want an atheist source or maybe a Scientology one, you illiterate nigger?

>>324118103
And all his "Muslim" source boils down to
>Muslim bad, crusaders good.

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We can all agree who the villains of the 4th crusade are, though

>>324107292
That was the original constraints, it was sped up to fit youtubes time constraints, nows a gimmick because peole like it

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>>324118208
No,
TURKISH bad
We need crusades

That is the message you idiot and yes the crusades were not good, no one was, you biased nigger.

Also the muslims are not doing anything to help themselves in modern times, they are killing themselves in the middle east, they have actual rape gang, like dolphins in Europe and cry when someones calls them towel heads or paki.

>>324118260
Yeah those byzantines were some real stinkers

>>324118456
No one from Indonesia wants to be conflated with a Paki.

>>324118456
>the crusades were not good, no one was,
Tell that to the guy who does the real crusaders history channel

I swear the worst thing they ever put out wasn't the spectrum crunch one, but the "awesome per minute" one. Jesus Christ, that one was awful.

>>324118647
I am not the guy on the video, you asshat, I just hate people who imminently shit one the crusades and only the crusade for been associated with christianity, when other religions and philosophies, like socialism have done as bad or worst crimes against humanity.

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>>324117470

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>>324118489
You watch your mouth, m8

>>324119030
What a terrible year.

>>324117470
>I want to say 2006 is when it started going to shit, but I couldn't articulate why

You mean 2007 and you can pretty much pin down the reason to the release of the iphone (a computer for everyone™) and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare.

>>324098613
I only came for the rule 34, I'm disappointed no one has posted it yet.

>>324115553
false

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>>324098613
>post troll thread
>leave to go shitpost on /mu/ and /pol/
>come back
>this is still here

kek

>>324114660
>you cannot be bad at listening to an album

i want plebs to leave

>>324118912
I don't shit on the crusades or Christianity, I shit on the guy who does the real crusaders history vidoes for the way he does them.