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>Ayyy let's put dogs everywhere lmao
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>Ayyy let's put dogs everywhere lmao
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Hold on.

>le framerate meme
>le loading times meme
>le weapon variety meme
>le armor variety meme
>le level design meme
>le too easy meme
>le bad story meme
>le didn't play it meme

Okay, now it's a Bloodborne thread.
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>>324065574
You forgot aliens
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Firstly, there's only 1 maybe 2 spots in the game where you'll encounter more than 2 dogs at once, also, thanks to the way rallying, sidestepping and follow up attacks work in this game compared to DaS, they're infinitely better and more fair fights. If the dog gets a cheap hit on you, you can attack back and get your health back but thanks to sidestepping, you can much more easily dodge the dogs attack and follow up without having to deal with their awkward lunging sidestep they always did after attacks in DaS

Don't even complain about either if you've never experienced the hell of trying to fight that big group of hit and run bastards inside the bridge of 1-2 without a proper shield, those are some bullshit dogs
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>>324065716
Ayy
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>>324065106
>still no PC version
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>>324065574
You forgot "le Cainhurst is good" meme you fucking heathen
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>>324065823
But cainhurst is good faggot
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>>324065783
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>>324065783
Which isn't fair, we should be able to ruin this game like we have every other one we get ported.
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>>324065783
There's never going to be a PC version, Sony funded the game.
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>complaining about 20-30fps in an action oriented game is a meme

sonyggers, everyone.
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>>324065772
Why every one is saying "ayy" for aliens. Where does that come from ?
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>>324065913
but there's nothing stopping sony selling the game on PC to make more money.

Bloodborne isn't a platform seller so they may as well
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>>324065987
It's an ebic maymay
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>>324065895
Why don't you fuck off, edgelord.
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>>324066130
Just like they ported Demon's Souls, right?
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>>324066359
Sony are extremely anti consumer

thus I refuse to support their nasty business practices
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Shame its not on PC.
Infinite health invaders with gold tracers one shotting people, cursing them forever and flying away while spamming firebreath forever is sorely missed.
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>>324066130
haha

You see this post is very humorous because it presents false hope that a coveted ps4 game will come to the Personal Computer, a rival platform. However, in truth, this will never happen, and only demonstrates the Personal Computer fans delusion to expect such

haha
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>Dogs with crow heads
>Crows with dog heads
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>>324066473
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>>324065895
Cainhurst is one of the easies area in BB. That's too bad because the atmospher and the design are really good.
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>>324065716
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>>324065106
silly man, they aren't dogs, they are beasts! there's a huge difference!

that said
>Favorite armor
>Favorite boss/dog
>Favorite area
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>>324065106
At least Bloodborne dogs are easy to kill, not like DaS2 dogs which were literally a moving hitbox.
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>>324066527
>a rival platform
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>>324066780
Some of them, at least
The fire breathing dogs are fucking impossible
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>>324065106
Yeah, man. They're all over my shop.
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>>324066780
I never had an issue with the ds2 dogs
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>>324066671
I couldn't stop laughing at this boss fight.
the following boss is cool tho
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>>324066821
If its not your platform its a rival platform
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>>324066848
>Hellhounds in a random chalice
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>>324066950
No, Playstation has two rivals, and pc is not one of them.
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>>324065895
>this is what vilebloods call a 10/10
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>>324067021
>xbax
>A rival to anyone
PFFFFT
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>>324066848
>The fire breathing dogs are fucking impossible
Really? I had no problem dealing with them
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>>324067046
>Maria
>Hating Gherman
didn't she admired him?
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>>324067163
>Man, this part gave me trouble
>Really?.......didn't even.......phase me.........kid.

Clockwork.
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>>324066848
You never fight more than two at once. Just use a fast weapon and stagger them to death or just use a seamen blade and let them kill each other.
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>>324066949
>I couldn't stop laughing at this boss fight.
For me it was the case with the One reborn. This boss was so funny the way he throws up with the epic music
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>>324067393
Theyre too fast for me though, and get hit once and the other pounces your ass as soon as you're out of iframes
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>>324065106
I still remember when project beast got announced. /v/ was full of it. PC players asked themself how many months after the console release they would get it. They praised the shit out of it, " I love the art style, look at those graphics finally I can use my pcs full power, the Online is gonna be awesome " and and and.

After they realized that this will be another Demon Souls they suddenly changed their mind and called it the worst Souls game, enjoy your 30fps.

Im loving it, and im no fanboy I own several consoles and a good rig, but gabenfags are the worst thing in this world. Thank god they won't ever see the georgeous world of yharnam.
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>>324067314
not after a while
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>>324067131
I was going to say "at least they tried".
Silly me.
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>>324067046
>Dislikes: German
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Funny meeting you down here in the chalice dungeons. You want some vials? Only 1,000,000 echoes each goyisher :^)
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>>324065987
it's an oldfag thing, you wouldn't understand.
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http://strawpoll.me/6312638/
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>>324067413
>the One reborn
talking about that fucker, what is he supposed to be? a bunch of bloody bodies, a god? what is his relevance?
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>NG+
>Ayy let's have one bullet kill you lmao
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>>324067163
Are you going to teleport behind me next? Huh kid?
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>>324068372
The bell ringers wanted to summon something from the Moon. Got the One Reborn instead. My initial thought was that he was Orphan of Kos's corpse reborn but I'm too lazy to compare TOB's face to OOK's
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>>324068590
>Are you going to teleport behind me next?
I whish I could
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>>324066562
So I told Mensis to swap the heads of the dogs and crows and they did it! The absolute madmen!

Seriously though why would they do that.
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>>324068931
Why does the school of Mensis do half the things they do?
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>>324068931
>werewolves made of legs

What did he mean by that?
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>>324068931
For the banter.
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>>324068606
Uh no. They meant to summon The One Reborn. There's no evidence whatsoever that bell ringers are capable of summoning great ones. Great ones have no master. The One Reborn, on the other hand, is no more than a fuck up made of lots of former citizens, so he's basically a puppet.

>>324068372
The One Reborn came about by way of sacrificing Yahargul's citizens in attempt to create a pseudo great one. Obviously they fucked up along the way because The One Reborn is a fuck up beyond all proportions. An abomination.
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>>324068356
Dude you really won't stop posting this until your edgy waifu wins, will you?
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>>324068372
It's a Great One created from the ritual that took place in Yahar'gul. They sacrificed everyone in that part of the town you can't get to before the red moon as part of the ritual, which is why it and every enemy in that place is a mess made out of body parts.
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>>324066562
>fishdogs with angler heads
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>>324067046

Is the joke that Crowsteel is a lot harder than Maria?
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>>324069581
No the joke is that Maria is even more of a stereotype than him.
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>>324065574
You forgot le salty mustard race meme.
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>>324069234
Literally the Maester of Banterwyrth
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>>324065987
Ever since tumblr became a meme machine, /v/ started copying them.
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>>324066330
>good level design is bad

you don't have to kill the bloodlickers you know
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Is Alfred the most alpha character in Bloodborne?
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>>324070607
It's not from Tumblr
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>>324070896
Nah, I'm the most alpha.
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>>324065574

Framerate is a legitimate complaint though. There's no reason it shouldn't be 60 other than FROM are shit programmers
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Honestly I have the most trouble with executioners, NPC hunters and bloodlickers.

Hunter's Nightmare is rightly kicking my ass.
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>DLC
>Ayy let's put blood grasshoppers everywhere lmao
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>>324071736
If it makes you feel any better I only fought the Bloodlickers my first past through the river of blood. Every time after that I ran past them.
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>>324065106

Eww, it looks so drab and dead and boring.
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>>324065987
This picture
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>>324065106
bork bork bork bork bork bork bork bork bork
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>>324072198
Fuck. THIS picture
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>>324066562
crogs with dow heads
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>Been doing nothing by Chalice dungeons today
>feeling like Indian Jones
Damn these are getting fun and frustrating at the same time
Anybody want to engage in shenanigans?
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>>324070896
He killed himself so no.
The Queen gets revived and spawns more vilebloods while the last executioner offed himself because he was too stupid and didn't read a book about Vile cuckmagic
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Bloodborne should have won game of the year '15.

It only lost because it wasn't a shit multiplat
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hey I just wanted to say FUCK THOSE GIANT SHARK PEOPLE IN FISHING HAMLET

that is all
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>>324073550
>The Queen gets revived
Not in my Bloodborne.

Filthy vilebloods.
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>>324073663

I heard you like enemies that have as much health as a boss and can kill you in one running combo.
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>>324073297
That's one ugly mofo
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>>324073927
what is this pose trying to convey?
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>>324065106
You ever notice how no part of the game actually looks that good? I was surprised at how bad the actual game looks.
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>>324073663
i pretty sure the rakuyo fight is objectively like the most challenging in the game
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>>324075141

>Shaman Bone Blade them
>Kill each other

lel no.
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>>324071316
>PS4 can't do 60fps
>it's the software developers' fault
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>>324073927
Sup dude I heard you like living
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ALRIGHT FAGGOTS WHAT'S THE BEST LOOKING ARMOR IN THE GAME SINCE ARMOR STATS DON'T MEAN SHIT?
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>>324071316
people really over estimate the power of game engines.
And the pared down PCs.

shit is not where people think it is.
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>>324075051
Jivin'
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>>324075274
that is super unreliable and any fight is less challenging when you cheese it
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>>324075373
MGSV and EDF 4.1 run at 60 fps.
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>>324065574
>didn't play it meme

what the fuck?

also you forgot ayys you idiot
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>>324075514
Constable set is my favorite.
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>he uses the Chikaga
>he uses the Blades of Mercy
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>>324072159
It's a horror game in a Victorian style setting , of course it's not gonna be a bright and colorful platformer with hugs, cuddles, and funny talking spaghetti skeletons you retard
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>>324075691
If BB emptied the world to nothing but flat areas with minimal world detail, it could run at 60fps too. It would look like DS2 though, you realize. Consoles can only render so much at once and the game is quite detailed.
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>>324075514
Tomb Prospector is the best, followed closely by Executioners set.

Constables set is also pretty awesome.
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>>324070896
He was such a retard that he undid everything Logarius fought for
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What's with those yellow glowing people in Yaharagul and the "make contact" guy?
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>>324076123
Acts of goodness are not always wise, and acts of evil are not always foolish, but regardless, we shall always strive to be good.
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>>324076507
>chromatic aberration
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>>324076657
>this meme again
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>>324065574

You forgot the

>Any valid argument that I don't like can be suddenly "invalidated" by calling it a meme meme
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>>324076507
Alfred died can I still get that hat?
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>>324078496
Check the vendor.
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>>324078496
If you got the badge off him you can buy it in the shop. If you want to do a run with the Wheel/cone head, the earliest you can get it is right aftet beating Amelia and then progressing the night. Alfred moves to his second location right on your way to the the forbidden woods. Do him a solid and kill him right there to get the badge
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>>324067046

Is part of the humor supposed to be the babby grammar and spelling?

>woman
>strongest knight of whatever

The only part that I actually laughed at.
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>>324079342
And then farm 80,000 echoes in the early game.
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>>324070896
Feel like doing a STR/ARC build with Tonitrus.
Should I go Logarius or Holy Moonlight for secondary?
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>>324079616
Haven't used HMS but the wheel is a pretty overrated arcane weapon.

You're basically stuck with one move in its transformed state.
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>>324070896
>all these faggots talking shit about my senpai, a
Alfred

Fuck you all
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>>324079567
Its not that bad. Doing a run through the enemies near Cathedral ward will net you like 10,000 easy. Or you can get captured by the sack guy and go fuck up Paarl
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>those demon dogs that you find in the Chalice Dungeons

They make my anus bleed every time
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>>324071186
It is though
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http://exhentai.org/g/893076/f604042991/
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>>324081327
This isn't porn
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>>324075514
Lady Marias by far except everyone is wearing it
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>>324079567
>i have to spend my echoes on levels
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>>324081513
Kodoku no Gourmet is better than porn
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>>324067342
>>324068590
Still is right, nothing hard with flamy-doggy.
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>>324079616
Boom Hammer
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>>324075514
The doll's set
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>>324083357
Boom Hammer is pretty underwhelming. Most enemies are resistant to blunt damage and the damage in the base form is pretty mediocre
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>>324083771
It compliments the Tonitrus really well. Tonitrus is great for comboing and the Boom Hammer is great for enemies that you need hit & run tactics for. You should never be swinging it when it's not ignited.
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>>324079516
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>>324084034
But then the only worth while combo would be l1 r1 l1 r1 l1 etc. And while the fire damage is nice, there's not much that the hammer can do that the axe couldn't do better. Plus the axe can be buffed. Itll all boil down to preference i guess
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AWAY____________
AWAY_________________________
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>>324084337
I dunno do they like anime there
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>>324073297
That's literally my hunter but with a beard. GIVE HIM BACK
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>>324084337
>here's your reply
Fuck off with your spam
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>>324084337
Did 4+4chan finally die then?
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Would you?
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>>324065574
>le every weapon except the cane is a meme weapon
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>>324084337
kek looks like im leaving guys its been real
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>>324079616
I'm running Beast Cutter/Tonitrus

Pretty good synergy with the two, my build is primarily STR but I've got a pocket of ARC for some spells
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I wish all games had as inspired an art style as Bloodborne does. Just imagine that. I don't think there'd be a game out there I couldn't enjoy then.
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>>324067046
Honestly, this makes me like Maria even more. /r/ing Bloody Crow x Maria
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How do you fuckers feel about this?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/mobilebasic
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>>324067616
Stop using your fanfiction as lore. Gehrman and Maria had a great relationship, it's just that Gehrman never made a move before she died or whatever.
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>>324087010
Too long, didn't read
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>tfw chunk farming
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>>324086982
It's not just the art style, but the sheer level of detail in almost every single area. There are so many assets and objects that really make the world feel alive, plus it's the prettiest souls game by a mile graphics-wise.
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>>324087010
I got pretty far in it before I realized it's not the final in any way, it really is just one guy's interpretation. There are some serious flaws in his logic too, mainly regarding Kos' arrival on the beach.

I got bored and didn't finish it.
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>>324087010
I read that fucking thing, and now it's words are burned into my fucking skull. Thanks for reminding me.
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>>324086607
Would you if she still was still a giant?
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>humanoid enemies
>humanoid enemies everywhere

And people complain about DaS2
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>>324087948
People complain about DaD2 humanoid in armor bosses
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>>324087493

>tfw if you look in the water in the fishing hamlet you see the hunter's nightmare
>if you look over the edge of the nightmare frontier you can see the tops of the fishing hamlet

Wheels within wheels
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>>324087948
The humanoid bosses in Bloodborne are more original than anything from Dark Souls 2.
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>>324065106
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>>324066609
>Cainhurst is one of the easies area in BB if you run passed the Bloodlickers
Fixed.
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>>324073297
>Indian Jones
kek
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>>324087948
Most of DeS/DaS enemies were also humanoid, bosses weren't.
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>>324067046
kek a leka ding dong
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>tfw skill and tinge build
>tfw pvp scrubs getting ass mad after finish them off with bullets
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>>324070896
>Good hunter gives Alf the secret password to get into Club Cainhurst
>Alf kills Anna
>Good Hunter revives Anna through Ancient Alien Magiks
>Annalise acts like nothing happened
Pretty damn disappointing. It would be nice if she commented on you betraying her, or reviving her, or both.
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>>324089627
You reversed time. It tells you that straight up. She was never killed in her time.
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>>324088461
Boss designs are great. But all the Souls games need better boss mechanics, except maybe Demon's Souls.

Too many of the bosses have powerful attacks that barely leave openings for one hit.
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>>324080143
>not posting the follow up
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>>324089736
>Rom can control time even when dead
Is Rom more powerful than Moon Presence?
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>>324089736
Yeah, but even then, the place is all fucked up. How does she not notice she's sitting in a pool of her own blood?
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>>324090008
Rom wasn't a great one, she was a pseudo great one. Making her a Kin.
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>>324090076
Rom was a legit Great One, just as Emissary and The Hunter are. Ascending fully makes you legitimate.
Even Great Ones thought up by other Great One's are legit, like Mother Brain and Wet Nurse.
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Is Witch of Hemick the easiest boss?

I didn't even need a vial
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>>324089627
At least she comments when you try to propose to her
She turns you down unfortunately...
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>>324067046
>edgelord souls
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>>324090281
Definitely the easiest.
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>>324090301
>everything has to be a loli
>I'm not happy until everything around me is like my slice of life anime
Why are these people considered better than ponyfags?
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>>324090301
Why can you only propose to her?
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>>324067046
>German
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>>324090281
Definitely, if you already know the trick, Even if you didn't know ahead of time, you'll know it before they start summoning more adds, and by that time you'll know to just ignore them.
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>>324090301
Not him but

>go on vacation, town is cursed by beasts
>make friends, they all die
>wanna bang some royal vileblood pussy, get BTFO
>finally defeat all the hideous monsters, become a squidkid

being a hunter is suffering ;_;
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>>324087010
>I didn't really like Dark Souls.
What does that have to do with Bloodborne? He's welcome to his opinion, but after the first line I'm already ready to discard his analysis, since he clearly isn't going to focus on proper facts.
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>>324090232
Amygdala is a great one, but it's like a single conciousness spread amongst multiple bodies. Rom was an attempt at creating a great one, but it wasn't a complete success. It wasn't a failure, but it wasn't a success either, more like something in between. Celestial Emissary was the same idea, but was the product of the Choir experimenting on orphans. The Hunter is probably the first and only truly successful ascencion of a human into Great One.
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>>324089627
Probably the laziest thing I've ever seen in a From game. That and the Doll not changing dialouge after you've already killed Gehrman.
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>>324090281
>Fight Witch
>"Holy shit this is so easy. If I don't kill this in one try, /v/ will laugh at me"
>Get grabbed
>Full health dead
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>>324090468
No clue. If I had to pick a reason, I think its because she was actively trying ro bear a blood child. Most likely FROM only wanted to give a bit more dialog to a character so they shoehorn this in and tossed it deep in the chalice dungeons. Have fun getting those extra sentences fuckers!
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What's the best STR weapon?
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>>324091098
WHEEL
H
E
E
L
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>>324091009
Oh geez, that was bad too. I'm actually shocked they haven't patched that yet.
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>>324091098
axe
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>>324091098
Pizza cutter
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>>324090873
I don't now if Rom was a failure, it never says exactly how they ascended her or what the purpose of the experiment was.
Emissary seems to have come out right, as it looks just like all the other experiments, only more powerful.
Fake Iosefka began ascending, but you kill her before she can complete her metamorphosis.

It's unknown exactly how Wet Nurse and Mother Brain came to be. I think the Japanese description of Mergo's cord says that Mergo created the brain when Mensis asked it for brains with eyes. And if Mergo has the power to create life then Wet Nurse is most likely made by Mergo for protection.

The only time it's ever shown actually happening is when Hunter ascends. We never see a Great One come to life at any other time, so it's not clear exactly how the process works or it if always requires the same methods. Iosefka's Imposter only used one cord, despite the Hunter needing three cords and the blood echoes of the Moon Presence. And since Emissary and Rom don't drop cords it may be they didn't use the cords in the same way, or may not have even used cords.
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>>324091098
Hunter Axe
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>>324091291
Well, the thing some people seem to forget is that, just because it's a Great One, doesn't mean they all belong to the same species. To my knowledge, the only true great ones that are seen or mentioned are Oedon, Moon Presence, Mergo(Or Wet nurse since it's inferred that they're one and the same), Amygdala, Kos, Orphan of Kos, and The Hunter.
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>>324070896
>faithfully serves the Healing church which is behind the plague, constant experimentation to turn humans into Ayys, andturned Yharnam into a warzone
>crazed and violent "paladin"
>literally the only reason he has a beef with the Vilebloods is because they have their own independent blood market instead of using HC blood
There is literally nothing good about Executioners. Vilebloods may be PKing vampires but they're fucking harmless compared to the church. I have no idea why people act like Alfred's a fucking hero.
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>>324090813
>Facts
Way over half the shit in his little fanfiction is nothing but. Although, it seems to be enough for everyone over at /bbg/ to wank themselves dry over.
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>>324091709
Great Ones probably don't have a 'species'. They're a completely different life form to humanity.
For one thing, their children share none of their traits. Oedon's child is a little choir slug and Kos' child is a sort hunter look-alike. I don't think they're bound by any kind of genetics, and they can take the form and power that they like, either conscious or subconsciously.
The fact that humans can become Great Ones shows that either they have the ability to drastically change DNA or they don't function on a genetic system like humans.
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Tell me how to understand BB lore without using vaati
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>>324075849
Hahah, wow, you took a jab at Undertale! UNDERTALE! You're such a cool rebel, such a badass, please teach me your ways!
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>>324091986
read the wiki, watch epicnamebro or some shit, fucking play the game idk
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>>324091986
Use your intellect? Do you need everything spelled out for you?
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>>324092172
I can evade blows just fine
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>>324066330
cainhurst is good, don't be a faggot

use big form of holy blade and bloodlickers are trivial
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>>324091968
Exactly. I think the best example for this would be Amygdala. It's a great one that can act as its own species. Amygdala is its own veritable hive mind. Then there is Oedon, who's very form is incomprehensible.
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>>324067046
>dislikes: curiosity, GERMAN, love, girly things
the fuck man
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>>324092342
I think Amygdala is more of a single entity. It's 'head' lives in the Nightmare and it's tendrils exist in the waking world.
I find it kind of interesting that Amygdala and Moon Presence are the only Great Ones shown to manipulate dreams. Amygdala can transport people between the worlds, but Moon Presence is the only one who can transport itself between worlds. It may even have the power to create dreams, judging from the incident of its first beckoning.

Do you think any other Great Ones can manipulate dreams, or is it just those two? I guess Orphan of Kos pulled the Fishing Hamlet into the nightmare, so it may have some power over dreams.
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>>324092605
Orphan of Kos, or Kos?
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>>324091986
most of it is open to interpretation and inference play the game read item descriptions and make up your own version
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>>324092754
some say Kosm
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>>324092754
Well Kos was dead by the time the Fishing Hamlet nightmare was created. Byrgenworth would have had to leave before that, because they took the research back to create Rom. Kos either died while Byrgenworth were performing research or even beforehand. The corpse of Kos would be a rumour that spread quickly, which could be how Byrgenworth first discovered the hamlet.
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>>324092774
But my reading comprehension is terrible
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>>324091986

It's about Catholicism.
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>>324092605
I think Moon Presence can alter the real world as well though. I'm fairly certain it's the reason behind the Blood Moon's existence in the first place. That also goes back to the whole Rom thing. I think Willem learned to some extent what the Moon Presence was capable of, so he tried to ascend Rom and use her as a defense measure to protect everyone. That explains a lot of the lake rune descriptions and the fact that the Blood Moon shows up after killing Rom.
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Why are old Yharnam werewolves manlets?
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>>324092970
community college first then
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>>324093174
Mensis were trying to contact Kos to help them into the Nightmare, but Kos was long dead so they wound up snagging Moon Presence.
Whenever Moon Presence shows up the moon turns red and the beast scourge runs wild. So Rom was hiding this moon to protect Yharnam.
I wonder, though, was it Willem's will doing that? Rom is mindless, so it couldn't have reacted to the Mensis ritual and made the conscious decision to protect Yharnam.
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>Out of vials again

Oh boy I sure do love stopping to farm healing items every god damn minute.
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>>324093716
don't get hit
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>>324093716
Why are you using so many vials?
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>>324093383
No, the shit that Mensis was trying to do ended up being a giant fuck up. They tried to call forth a Great One, but they ended up killing themselves(bar Micolash) and creating a false imitation of one, which ended up being the One Reborn. Actually it was two, the One Reborn being the failure that was created from the bodies of those in the Advent Plaza, and the giant eyeball thing in the Nightmare, which ended up being a great one(I knew I was forgetting one when I made that list).
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>>324088532
10/10 made me do a spit-take
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>>324093716
>running out of vials
Git better
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>>324066359
Demon Souls didn't sell PS3's either, so I agree they should port it from a financial point
>inb4 golden face
Played and enjoyed DS and BB, just wish I could enjoy them with more graphic options and 60fps
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What are the best skill weapons?
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>>324093826
Actually that giant eyeball, I believe, was the conciousness(s) of all those in the Mensis ritual mashed together and forcefully ascended.
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>>324093716

I like the vial system when im progessing through an area. If i run out i can find more instead of having to run back to a bonfire
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>>324093716

>equip all Moon Runes you have
>go to Lecture Hall 1st Floor
>kill student
>Hunters Mark out
>Rinse repeat for about 15 min and buy like 150 vials.
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>>324093809

>Get hit once
>Lose 95% of my health
>Smack my face with 3 vials
>Repeat
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>>324093972
>Demon's Souls didn't sell PS3's
nigger what the fuck are you smoking
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>>324093826
Wrong on all counts.
None of the Mensis Cultists died. They all entered the Nightmare, like Micolash. That's what all the spiders are, mutated Mensis cultists. Patches was likely one as well.
Also, the goal was clearly to contact a Great One, specifically either Mergo or Kos. They asked Mergo for "brains lined with eyes" and Mergo created the brain trusts and giant brains.
When they realised Mergo was fucking retarded they decided to try speaking to Kos instead.
Of course, in the real world, the result of the ritual was that the Moon Presence was contacted, which is how they got into the nightmare, the One Reborn was created from the sacrificed citizens of Yahar'gul, and the cultists themselves eventually wasted away as their real bodies were still in the waking world.
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>>324094040
>>Get hit once
>>Lose 95% of my health
No.
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>>324091034

Whoa what is this item ?
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>>324094261

Yes. Try doing a chalice dungeon once in a while.
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>>324091098

- Whirlygig Saw -> S Scaling, Serrated, All-around Awesome
- Logarius' Wheel -> S Rating, Weird trick form that scales with Arcane
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>>324066562
I wish I hadn't seen a post talking about this before I got to that part
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>>324094370
>using Defiled Chalice as an example
That's, quite literally, the only time this happens.
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>>324094094
DS sold under 2 million
Over 80m PS3's sold
no, its not a system seller
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>>324094174
I assumed the brain was a bunch of students who got transformed into a kin but lost the ability to think rationally
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>>324094631
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>>324094728
That is what happened to the Mensis cultists, but they became spiders, not brains.
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>>324094563

And if you want high tier blood gems it's where you spend most of your time :^)
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>>324094842
>it's a PvP faggot
Ah.
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>>324094174
No, I think we were both wrong, actually. I just looked back at some shit, and I think what Mensis was trying to do was ascend themselves. They had the Cord of Mergo, hence why they came into contact with Mergo. But, they did die. When they tried to contact Mergo, the fact that Mergo suffered stillbirth caused them all to die in an instant, transporting them to the Nightmare.
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>>324095016
Mergo first died long ago. It didn't die while Mensis were there, it only died once you'd killed it's guardian, the Wet Nurse. The cord they used in their ritual belonged to the first incarnation of Mergo.
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>>324094971

Nope. Only been invaded 3 times. PvP is dead.
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>>324095270
Then why do you need high level blood gems?
Are you some kind of shitposter? You know that's frowned upon, don't you?
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>>324095225
I didn't say that it died when Mensis was there, Mergo died before it was born. Mergo died in stillbirth. Same as how Orphan of Kos died due to the death of his mother. And both withdrew into Nightmares which existed before the shit went down in Mensis. It was created by the conciousness(s) of both leaving the material realm.
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>>324095472
The stillbirth is also mentioned in the item description for the stone you get from Lady Yharnam. You can also see what looks like a fetus inside of it.
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>>324095472
That's an interesting theory, but I don't think there's much to suggest it.
The Mergo and Orphan in the nightmare are as real as anything else. I don't think they're just a consciousness taken form.
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>>324095442

>Why do you want higher numbers in a game with RPG elements?
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>>324095625
I mainly get that idea because Old Hunters adds credence to it. One of the ideas is that many of the one third umbilical cords came from Orphan of Kos's corpse. Mergo's umbilical cord was found later, within the Pthumerian labyrinth.
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>>324095838
Ah, I see you are some kind of shitposter.
For shame.
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>>324094773
tell me about micolash, why does he where the cage?
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>>324095625

It really depends on what you consider to be real in Bloodborne. Maria is alive within the Hunters Nightmare but is dead in present time and Laurence is nothing but a skull in present time too. BB kinda follows the DS route where the flow of time and realities are convoluted, so what you accept as real and living is up to you.
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>>324095923

Agreed. That's why I never upgrade my weapons.
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Whats the worst area in the game and why is it post-Rom yahargul?
Fucking hate those bell ringing bitches
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>>324095625
>all those people in Yahar'gul running away
>melting into the walls
>sliding up the walls
>that auditorium of desiccated corpses (also in Mergo's Loft) with Micolash in the center

I wonder what they felt, seeing that shit happen. What DID happen? It must have been slow enough for the villagers to see the ritual succeed (fail?), but too fast for them to run away
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>>324095914
The cord that Iosefka's Imposter used may have come from Kos or Orphan, but I don't think all of them do.
Mergo's cord definitely comes from Mergo, Arianna's cord definitely comes from her child.
The cord used by Laurence may have come from Orphan as well.

But I don't necessarily think a Great One has to die to give up its cord. Orphan is still very much alive, and has been for quite some time. It actually had the chance to grow, unlike Mergo. I don't think Mergo has been hiding out in the nightmare since it died all those centuries ago, because it's still a helpless infant. It was only recently reborn, most likely.
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>>324096017
It especially doesn't help when one of the main themes of the story is that the line between realities is blurred beyond recognition.
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>>324087010
Tfw insight is gained
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>>324096120
Mergo was recently reborn. The Mensis ritual was to contact it and reanimate it.
A Great One is too powerful to use just one life to revive it, so they used an entire city. Mergo was revived in the nightmare, and The One Reborn was the byproduct of all the sacrifices.
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>>324094015
>equip all moon runes you have
>go to loran depth 5 layer 2
>kill beast patients
>hunters mark out
>repeat for about 15 mins and buy 600 vials
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>>324096405

>doing chalice dungeons
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>>324096120
Then it all goes back to that idea of what constitutes the form and abilities of a Great One. It's obvious that they all most likely belong to their own species and harbor their own abilities. But that also brings up a question.

What would the concept of death mean to a Great One? With Amygdala, we can see it means nothing as we only cut off one head of the hydra in that regard. Oedon, we don't know what the fuck is going on with him. The only one we've seen to be killed in "normal terms" is the Moon Presence, and that's only after consuming the Cords and gaining the power to ascend ourselves. So where does that leave all the others?
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>>324094015

This was good advice. Did this a few times and was able to buy 500 vials. Thanks
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>>324096608
>not platinuming the game
you do want to git gud, right?
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>>324093716
I usually just run Tomb of Oedon to Central Yharnam a few times, and that sets me up for vials for a good while.

>>324094015
Although this seems way better.
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>>324096608

Chalice dungeons are fun when the bosses don't kill you in one hit.
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>>324096620
I think most Great Ones with a physical form can be killed, but it probably has to do with who's killing them. The Hunter, by the time he reaches a Great One, has quite a bit of insight. Perhaps Great Ones can only be killed by other Great Ones, because regular humans just lack the mental power to actually end their lives.

Kos died in childbirth, so there is definitely some inherent mortality to them. My thought is that Kos died because she basically gave her soul, all her power to the Orphan so that it could be born strong and not die instantly like all other pureblood Great Ones.
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>>324096620
>>324096949

it could be that it's a complication brought about by their dual parentage between an extra dimensional being and more simple life form like a human
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>>324096949
That's a little iffy for me. It's said that Kos washed up on the shore already dead. So her death is kind of a mystery to me and many other people. It could have just as easily been childbirth that killed her, or it could've been something else. If there is one thing that Paleblood Hunt made me think about though, it's the Doll's role in everything. The idea that she was a Great One all along, helping hunts millennium before the hunts of Yharnam and Pthumeru, is fucking mind boggling. But, at the same time, it makes sense.
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>>324076783
>meme
kill yourself, ca is a dogshit gimmick
just another point on the list of why BB is a shit game
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>>324091805
PRAISE THE GOOD BLOOD
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>>324092605
There are 3 Great Ones that can generate Nightmares:

Moon Presence
Orphan of Kos
Mergo/Wetnurse

All 3 grant NIGHTMARE SLAIN, and all 3 can influence the Moon to varying degrees (MP being the best at it)
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>>324097302
Kos obviously died in childbirth. She died, then Orphan was born. What else could it have been? Also remember how hard it is for Great Ones to produce viable offspring, and that the effort to give birth very well may have killed her.
>Doll was once a Great One
No. That makes no sense. The Doll was a creepy sexual thing Gehrman made, and then when he was locked into the Dream he decided to remake it but this time with life.
Besides, Moon Presence is the patron saint of hunters. Doll is just a companion to Gehrman and tool of the MP, like the messengers.
You might draw parallels with the Doll and Maiden in Black, but the Doll never has any direct interaction with Moon Presence, and there's nothing in the game suggesting that she's an ancient Great One or anything like that.
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>>324097515
Amygdala also seems to have some power over nightmares, transporting you to the nightmare on two separate occasions, and I presume it also transports Patches to Yharnam to trick you.

Kind of makes you wonder why Mensis went to all that trouble when they could just line up for Amygdala. I guess even with high insight you still need Amygdala's permission, in the form of an item.
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>>324094728
>>324095016

The JP description for Mergos cord says that the Mensis had some random cord and accidentally summoned Mergo with it, and Mergo gifted them with the Mensis Brain in response. The other poster was right.

They're trying to beckon Kos with Mergo, and beckoned the MP by mistake
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>>324097568
But think for a second. Since when do we ever see normal humans performing some sort of magical shit? When they call upon great ones to channel their power. Gehrman is a normal human being. How in the hell would he be able to imbue an inanimate object with life? Also, there is in-discrepancies in the timelines between what the Doll talks about and the actual timeline. At most, Gehrman has been around for a century. But, the doll and the gravestones in the dream account to an innumerable amount of hunters. We encounter two in Yharnam, being Djura and Eileen. Things just don't add up with the doll.
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>>324065106

Oh look it's this thread again.

OP I drew you playing some BB !

>I really want to make a thread and have anons add details to this
>someone already did, if you can't tell
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>>324097734
Amygdala(s) can't generate or influence Nightmares, they can only ferry you to them like interdimensional taxi drivers
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RIP Gilbert, I cry every time.
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>>324097997
>Gehrman is a normal human being
He's far, far from it. He made a pact with the Moon Presence and was granted immortality, and I suppose a few favours as well.
>Gehrman has been around for a hundred years
I think it's somewhat longer than that. Also, hunters don't come one at a time. Djura and Eileen are around the same age and they were both dreaming hunters. Every time a hunter is awakened they are buried in the dream, that's why there's so many. It just shows how many hunters have come and gone during Gehrman's time.
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I dont think the Moon Presence's intentions are malicious. Its body is decaying and it looks like its in the process of dying, though it could take hundreds or even thousands of years before it actually dies.. If you look at its animations in both endings that involve it, it desperately clings to you, checking if you are capable of becoming its offspring.

How I see it, Gherman made a deal with the Moon Presence to provide a powerful surrogate and would live within the dream until it grew up. Gherman's goal is to protect the hunters by creating the Hunters Dream, a place where those cursed can return to and try again and again until they transcend the hunt by getting killed by him in the end. If the player refuses, then the MP's side of the deal kicks in. If the hunter is not capable of being a surrogate to the MP, they take over Gherman's role, if they can become a surrogate they kill the already dying Moon Presence and are now reborn anew with the doll who can possibly live forever in a sealed off and safe location.
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>>324098105
That's what I was suggesting. The fact that Amygdala is the only one shown doing this probably means that not many Great Ones can influence dreams in any way. Rom can create illusions, but not true dreams, and Amygdala can transport beings between dreams but not itself. Maybe all Great Ones have some small affinity with dreams, but Moon Presence is definitely the most adept. It can freely move in and out of dreams and nightmares, can influence the waking world from the dream on a huge scale, much larger than Amygdala, and can even consciously create dreams. Mergo and Orphan likely created their parts of the Nightmare by accident, subconsciously, as they're both infantile. Mergo didn't seem to have full control either, as it couldn't conjure up Micolash's requests quite right.
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>>324098209

>I think it's somewhat longer than that. Also, hunters don't come one at a time. Djura and Eileen are around the same age and they were both dreaming hunters. Every time a hunter is awakened they are buried in the dream, that's why there's so many. It just shows how many hunters have come and gone during Gehrman's time.

Alright I'll probably be accused of not paying attention enough or something, but how the actual FUCK does anyone deduce shit like this ? Where are you getting any of this information ?
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>>324066562
Felt like I was playing Impossible Creatures for a second.
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>>324098209
True, but there's also the fact that the Hunter's Dream continues to exist even after the Moon Presence is killed. This is the one thing that always sort of confused me. When you killed it and became a Great One, did you become the one to continue maintaining it? Or, was there something else there as well? Another thing that comes into this whole idea was the appearance of the Winter Lanterns.
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>>324096120
The Healing Church has spent an unknown amount of time cleaning up after the mess that results from the Great Ones descending. Every so often Great Ones knock up chicks around the city, and the Church takes the resulting offspring for research purposes. You can see their half-breed zoo in the Upper Cathedral Ward, who have gotten loose when the staff died.

Who knows how many cords and other artifacts they picked up in the process? We already know they have no idea what to do with them, since the Mensis were experimenting on one instead of eating it, and nobody even remembers what lining your brain with eyes does anymore.

Iosefkas and Willems cords could have came from any of these unions
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>>324098516
Djura and Eileen both make mention of 'dreaming' in their dialogue. They have some way of knowing that the Hunter is connected to the Dream and the Moon Presence. Perhaps they can just see telltale signs.
Also, they're both quite old, probably not too far apart in age. They were probably dreaming not far apart from each other, and may even have met during their connections.

There's also the matter of the Yahar'gul Stooges. They destroy the lamp in the Gaol, which suggests they knew what it was and wanted to cut off your route to that area. They may have dreamt at some point as well.

Ludwig also had some connection to the Moon Presence. He may not have dreamt, as the Church was sort of disconnected from Gerhman's hunters, but he could actually sense the Moon Presence's influence.
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>>324098727
None of the nightmares died when their creator does. Even Rom's little illusion lake stays.
Nightmares are real, physical places. They wouldn't just crumble when their creator dies.

I think a lot of people were confused by Micolash's english name. He's not a host in the sense that he maintains the nightmare, he's a host in the sense that he oversees it.
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>ayy include a guy who kills everyone you saved

i was probably stupid for not noticing that, i think its pretty neat actually, his transformation model was probably the coolest looking in the game.
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>>324098727
You take over the dream in its stead
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>>324098801
Well it's just that Iosefka's cord mentions Willem, and Willem was chief of Byrgenworth, who were the school that went and studied the Fishing Hamlet.
I think it's likely that Iosefka's cord was from the Orphan.
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Fuck dogs, I never had fun fighting them ever, since Demon's.
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>>324098801
I sorta thought those things were what was left of the Choir
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>>324065910
I'd be perfectly fine with that if it meant good loading times and framerate that doesn't randomly shits itself.

Will never happen anyway lel
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>>324098815
I don't think I ever remember there being any mention of Ludwig knowing of the Moon Presence. I think his closest contact with the Great Ones was through the Moonlight Blade. Seeing as he speaks of it as if it gave him hidden wisdom.
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>>324099101
The remnants of the choir are probably the brainsuckers, wolves, and that one nuked dude you learn make contact from
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>>324098815
>as the Church was sort of disconnected from Gerhman's hunters

I dont think any of the hunter groups were ever disconnected. I could be wrong, but Gherman himself seems to have had a good relationship with Laurence. I think its just different groups are sponsored by different organizations but they ultimately work together. There isnt much or a reason to not want to work together.
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>>324099219
No, the Iosefka impostor was of the Choir, as she is wearing choir garb. There is also a Choir Hunter down in Byrgenworth and one that came along with the dudes from Mensis into the Nightmare.
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what's the deal with ebrietas exactly? was it captured by the church,working with them, manipulating them or something else?
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>>324099193
>I don't think I ever remember there being any mention of Ludwig knowing of the Moon Presence
Literally his entire lore significance. The "guiding moonlight" is literally the Moon Presence. He can 'see' it's influence and guidance.
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>>324098986
That doesn't imply that Iosefka is using a cord that Willem used, mostly because it's a one-time use, the cords get consumed. It mentions Willem to explain the difference in the goals of Byrgenwerth and the Church, and to teach the player what using them does
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>>324099349
Well I just mean that the Church hunters likely didn't have a connection to the dream. They probably worked together with other schools of hunters, but I don't think they were apprenticed to Gehrman.
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>>324099437
He was asking about what happened to the choir staff in the UCW, dingus
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>>324099349
Gehrman's Hunters were actually started off as more of a secret operation. They'd look for hints of the Scourge and hunt it down in secret. When shit started getting out of hand; however, Gehrman's hunters were left behind. They needed a more active force to go out and fight off those infected.
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>>324099518
It wouldn't make sense for the cord to mention a character if it never had any connection to him.
>cords are one time use
Factually incorrect. After Iosefka uses her cord you can kill her and take it.
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>>324088532
>mfw finding her on the sewers
Everyone in this fucking game is doomed.
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>>324099485
The Holy Moonlight Blade being an ancient artifact seems to suggest that Moon Presence has been guiding hunters far longer than Yharnam has existed. There may have been beast hunters in ancient Pthumeru who were watched over by the Moon Presence.
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>>324086607
SO. FUCKING. HARD!
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>>324099485
But what if that's not just him talking about his sword? It even says in the item description that it whispered secrets to him, and him alone.
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>>324098815
Where does the game imply that Ludwig never dreamt? Hell, Gehrman, who is stuck in the Dream, knows him, and the Messengers recognize Ludwigs gear
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>>324087010
>Someone wrote all of this shit
I don't know if I want to read it or not.
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>>324099824
Ludwig was unique in that he could see the moon's guidance without dreaming. The sword is imbued with the power of the moon, which is perhaps what awakened this ability of his.

>>324099908
Ludwig refers to it as his "guiding moonlight", and sees it as a strand of light in his mind. If he dreamt he'd known what it actually was and could give proper context to it.
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>>324099908
But it never implies that he did dream, either. In fact, it's really unclear as to where he became connected to the eldritch truth.
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>>324091986
Make up shit as you go while trying to put the little facts you find together.
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>>324099773

Moon Presence probably seeks out strong individuals to be its surrogate and tried to guide Ludwig to transcendence with the Moonlight Blade. Its probably been trying to find a proper surrogate for thousands of years.
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>playing bb destroyed my launch dualshock 4 controller

The DS4s in circulation these days are all fixed, right? Cause I just bought one of the 20th anniversary ones that bestbuy has on sale.
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>>324087298
THIS. What the hell is is with Japanese devs and giving non rare items abysmal drop rate. In fact, why not make them 100% drops, just have them be guarded or held by a tough enemy? Nigga I don't want to spend two hours farming just to get ONE weapon to +9. Fuck this shit I'm duping.
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>>324099908
Also
>Gehrman knows him
You're confusing Ludwig with Laurence.
Laurence was friends with Gerhman before the dream existed, and was actually a key factor in the creation of the dream.
Ludwig was a church hunter who came along at a later time.
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>>324099675
>implying that Iosefka ate a cord
>implying that she isn't preggers
She even says that she was "chosen," and how special she is because of it. That cord was a gift from the Cosmos, and it came bundled with a free baby with it. The process of being pregnant with a great one baby gave her tons of insight (as one would suspect), and she's tripping balls
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>>324089391
Good on ya.
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>>324100219
She's clearly ascending. She mentions how the eyes in her head are wriggling and writhing about. Arianna's symptoms are different, she has no twitching, no mention of head pain. She just has intense nausea.
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>>324090747
u wOt M8?
Becoming a squid is fucking great!
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>>324100162
Something tells me that you never found out you could buy the Chunks as well as Rocks with Insight.
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>>324100183

Its not unreasonable to believe that Gerhman and Ludwig knew each other. Gerhman is the first hunter and Ludwig is the first church hunter. They had to have known each other.
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>>324100162
Gems were the worst.
>Gotta go through the shittiest dungeons ever to get the best gems :^)
I'd rather replay vanilla DaS2 than go through that shitfest again.

I end up killing the winter lanterns at the fishing village to get 22% gems.
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>>324098927
If you played the previous Souls games then you really shouldn't have been surprised that the obviously sinister guy is going to do something bad to you and your NPCs.
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>>324100338
Then she ends up giving birth to Oedon's disgusting slug spawn.
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>>324093716
Fuck you
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>>324100393
Not him but be honest man, that's only really useful for rocks. You need 16 chunks to get a weapon from +6 to +9. It's still much easier to farm off chalice bosses than try to gain 320 insight.
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>>324100479
Yes, and? Arianna is pregnant and shows different symptoms to Iosefka's Imposter.
The Imposter is ascending. That's what the Choir's entire thing was. They didn't care about breeding Great Ones, they wanted to become Great Ones themselves.
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>>324100410
It's possible, but if so then it was for an extremely short amount of time. Soon after, he would've been pulled into the Hunter's Dream.
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>mfw I just noticed that the huntsman in Yharnam are partially turned into beasts, with many of them having beast arms, lets, etc.

Can't believe I didn't notice it before. Thought they were all just regular people at first. Ironic that they're hunting the beasts when they're also turning into them.
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>>324100479
Oedon's babbies are way less cute than Squid. Good thing Oedon is incorporeal cause if he weren't he'd be ugly as fuck.
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>>324100338
Arianna also has veins that are filled I special, corrupted blood, unlike anyone else in the city. It makes sense that her symptoms would be different
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Just suck her clit to get her off the game. Girls go crazy over it>>324065902

>>324065902
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>>324100410
I don't think they would have been friends. May have known each other, but Ludwig was possibly even already a beast by the time the Hunter's Dream was created.
Gehrman cuts himself off from the waking world permanently when he creates the Dream.
Also, why would he take in an already experienced hunter? He took in fresh young recruits.
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>>324100609
After finding out that Insight just adds to Frenzy effects, I cared very little about my Insight. I'd find every opportunity to spend it without losing it all. It made things much easier for me when I did.
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GIVE ME TIPS FOR ORPHAN OF KOS, I'VE WASTED FOUR HOURS ON THIS UGLY SON OF A BITCH

I am a strength/arcane user with a +10 moonlight greatsword, lvl. 98.
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>>324100718
Arianna only became pregnant because she was a vileblood. Oedon seems to have figured out the key, because he managed to impregnate two woman, both of which are distantly related and share the same, tainted blood.
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>>324100718
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>>324099675
[email protected] the cords aren't key items, they're consumables. By definition of a consumable, you can only use them once
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So is Ludwig the hardest boss
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>>324100883
git gud
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>>324100919

Not even close. Defiled Chalice Amygdala is likely it.
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>>324100919

Laurence was the hardest for me but Ludwig was the most fun without a doubt. If only his 2nd phase lasted longer.
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>>324100883
co-op
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>>324100718
>>324100912
>NPCs give blood to you
>But only girls

I think it's menstrual blood guys
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Question: Can you find Uncanny/Lost weapons if you don't have their corresponding badge? I'm doing a playthrough and I'd like to use the burial blade, but if at all possible I'd prefer to get it before fighting Gehrman.
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>>324100918
>game mechanics
I guess in canon everyone is limited to a certain sequence of attacks?
It's also not necessarily canon that you HAVE to eat/pop the cords. It took Brygenworth and Iosefka a lot of research and experimentation to ascend their respective Great Ones, they didn't just pop the item.
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>>324100615
They're not breeding Great Ones, the Great Ones do that on their own. They're merely collecting and studying the results of said breeding.
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>>324100836
>not playing at 99 insight
>not gaining eyes inside
>not matching their greatness

It's the only real way to play the game. But really though, that doesn't relate to the comment I was making. Even if you had 99 insight, you'd only get 4 chunks out of it. That's not even enough to go from +7 to +8.
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>>324100804
>Also, why would he take in an already experienced hunter? He took in fresh young recruits.

Ludwig didnt recruit Gerhman, they just lived in the same time period and were both hunters. Since they were both of legendary status, Gerhman being the first and Ludwig being a good hunter with The Church's backing, they definitely had to have at least known each other and likely hunted together as some point.
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>>324100912
>Use Blood of Arianna
>permanent slow poison effect.
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>>324065106
there's like 12-18 dogs in the entire game, tops.
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>>324067046
Yeah, fuck Germans.
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>>324101089
Oh god damn it. I hate how much sense that makes.
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>>324101137
>game mechanics suddenly don't count when they start interfering with my theory!
You are an awful lorefag
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>>324100681
The natural progression of the game bears witness to the progressive transformation--the huntsmen patrolling the town square, those in advanced stages in the sewers, and then those in their final stages, whether it be your typical feral werewolf, all the way to monstrosities like the Cleric Beast.

You can even argue that it progresses into degenerate stages, including those of previous outbreaks, such as Old Yarhnam, where they're no longer savages beasts but dried husks, clinging to life.
>Aside from the fact you were burned alive
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>>324100883
Hit him until he dies.

I can help you too. Though I think my character was left at the start of the fishing village.
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>>324101089
Stop
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>>324101213
We have literally no idea how long the gap between Gehrman and Ludwig was, it's a complete guess
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>>324101137
>It's also not necessarily canon that you HAVE to eat/pop the cords. It took Brygenworth and Iosefka a lot of research and experimentation to ascend their respective Great Ones, they didn't just pop the item.

Well, its kind of like how you have to actually research what the cords do. The game doesnt tell you at all.
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>>324067046
When rule 34 of her?
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>>324066130
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>>324101693
I think that's where a lot of the theories and ideas get fucked over in terms of the lore. The idea of the passage of time is so fucking convoluted. It's possible that Gehrman and Ludwig knew each other. It's also possible that he went into the Nightmare shortly after Ludwig joined the Church Hunters. It's also possible that these two events happened a century between each other. No one knows.
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>>324101693

Its not hard to make a reasonable guess for this timeline. Gehrman knows Laurence, who started The Healing Church, fondly, which indicated that he knew him for a long period of time. The church didnt sit around while the scourge happened and Ludwig was the first church hunter. Its not hard to put two and two together.
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>>324101457

Something I want to know is, is the Cleric beast kind of the penultimate stage of beasthood? They say Laurence is the first Cleric Beast, which implies that several hunters/afflicted have turned into Cleric Beasts throughout the history of the hunt. I wonder if all these werewolves we see running around Yharnam would become Cleric Beasts if left unchecked.
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>>324066130
>Isn't a platform seller
Its the only reason to own a PS4 Anon.
Give it up already.
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>>324101095
>>324101095
bump
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>wahhh wahhh dogs 2 fast guys

Do you realize that you can knock them down to the ground if you shoot them?
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>>324102519
I want to fug this nundog
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>>324102519
This image makes me feel unsure about many things.
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>>324102041
I don't think beasts evolve like pokemon. I think you get a single transformation, and your beastliness corresponds to how many Vermin possess you at once (a number that increases the longer you use the Blood without succumbing)
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this artwork is sweet keep it up dudes
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>>324102519
I don't know how they got vicar amelia to looks so feminen in wolf form. Even after she transform you can fully tell it's a girl wolf
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>>324102884
>nobody ever draws the good hunter as a qt girl except moeblob fans
I'm not sure what I'm looking for, but can definitely say that it's not generic animu
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>>324102041
Not all beasts become 'cleric beasts'.
The harder you fight the scourge the stronger it gets. Clerics and priests who fought back the beastly urges through sheer willpower were eventually the ones who became the most horrible beasts. Cleric, Amelia, Laurence and Ludwig are some of the largest, most mutated beasts we see in the game, and they were all priests.
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>>324089391
>>tfw skill and tinge build
>>tfw pvp scrubs getting ass mad after finish them off with bullets

You should see how mad people get when you hop around spamming arrows with the bowblade
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>>324103221
Find me Dark Souls art where the Chosen Undead is a woman.
The poster boy is the one that appears most often in art, unless the art is about that artists particular character.
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>>324102041
One thing I've noticed as a theme is that, anatomically speaking, everyone is extremely tall, and it seems as the affliction progress, you get more and more elongated.

Case and point, what strikes you unusual about the last boss?
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>>324102519
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>>324103564
beasthood =/= being an old one
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>>324102519
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>>324103640
Yes, it's even stated that the Old Ones, specifically the Moon Presence, is directly affiliated with the cause of the Scourge.
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>>324102010
I just don't like front-loading too much stuff into Laurences lifetime
>Laurence is born
>a fucking million things happen, roughly 90% of the games back story
>Laurence transforms and gets killed
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>
>
>untold generations of FUCKING NOTHING
>
>
>old yharnam burns
>
>
>
>Mensis ritual begins
>
>
>you show up
Narratively, it's wonky. We also don't know know for how long the Hunters operated independently of the Church before Ludwig formally brought the two organizations together
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>>324103640
But that like saying humans =/= gods

Again, it's a theme, not necessarily canon
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>>324103860

Humans dont equal gods though. You have to give up being a human to even become an infant god.
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>>324103828
well no shit they're the cause. That doesn't mean that being infected, even with the highest magnitude of beasthood, will eventually transform you into an oldone. Ascending requires a host of different circumstances.
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>>324070896
>burn her to ash
>seal ash in an urn
>seal urn in a coffin
>throw coffin to the bottom of the ocean
It's like no one can think at a third grade level to deal with someone that's immortal. It's insulting really.
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>>324103842
The Mensis ritual is actually implied to have happened after you show up.
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>>324065574
Forgot
>le meme weapon
>le neber eber
>le ayy lmaos
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>>324102519
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>>324087948
>giant enemy
>flank it
>impotently attacks over your head
>win
Humanoids are best enemies, nerf parry.
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Finally beat Gascoine after like 8 tries with my last bit of stamina and zero BVs left.

Fuck that machine gunner though.
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>tfw arcane build is shit but too lazy to restart to a non meme build
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>>324103842
There were multiple hunter workshops.
There were the original hunters, who's workshop still exists, the church hunters, who are a seemingly modern school, the powder kegs, and then Gehrman's dreaming hunters, who were chosen from the various schools.
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>>324104119

Uh, how exactly? Theres no way all that shit in Yahargul happened in the couple of hours you've been in Yahrnam
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>>324102519
oh dear...
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>>324102519
>musclegirls having big boobs
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>>324102041
It's weird, Dark Beasts seem to be the "ultimate" beast based on a couple item descriptions.

The stuff with Cleric Beasts seems to be more connected to the "being more holy makes a uglier beast" thing. Ludwig is probably the "holiest" person is the lore, since he was good in spirit, legitmantly thought he was doing the right thing and was a devout follower of the church. Dumb as shit since he couldn't figure out what was going on and how the rest of the church were evil, but super Holy. And he turned into the vilest, most unseemly beast seen in the game.

Laurence was the first Cleric of the Healing Church (since he founded it) and became the first Cleric Beast, which then had to be put down by Brador, perhaps to cover up the fact that thier leader turned into a mindless beast (but then they put his skull on the altar for all to see......?).

Amelia is a cleric but doesn't turn into a Cleric beast, which raises the question whether Laurence looking like the first Boss is just laziness from From.

My personal theory (with almost nothing to back it up) is that Dark Beasts are the result of hundreds, maybe thousands of years of a beast slowly growing in power. But the Cleric Beasts and Ludwig were relatively young, but horribly transformed due to them resisting it for so long.

Dark Beasts are huge and powerful, but still relatively dignified. If Beasthood is turning from Man into a Animal, then Paarl is a "clean transformation", symmetrical, 4 legs, looks like a wolf.

Cleric Beast (and especially Ludwig) are deformed and disgusting. Laurence has a giant arm and Ludwig has all sorts of oddities.

I think the longer beasts are alive the more powerful and strong they get, but the proportions and "mutation" factor are defined by other factors.
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>>324104402
don't stop on the ladder then rush him and hit him off the roof, or wait till you beat darkbeast paarl then go in behind him and become his friend
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>>324101089
>>324101389
>>324101485
>Menstrual
>Mensis
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>>324104512
But in the one time where you can travel there before the Blood Moon, everything is utterly fine. After you murder Rom, that's when they all kill themselves in the ritual, as well as the civilians, and move on to the Nightmare.
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>>324087673

>Giant

wut
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>>324104650
Thanks, is that paarl thing in the large hall underneath his building?
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So is there any good way to farm insight?
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>>324104746
In the concept art books there's a female church giant NPC. I presume she eventually became Adella.
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Was it a bad idea to do the DLC on NG+? I'm getting destroyed
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>>324101789
Just erase the joints on Doll 34.
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>>324104610
A can dream though
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>>324104803
No.
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>Can't beat amygdala
>Can't beat Ludwig
>Can't beat 3 fags in the forrest.
>level 60
>decent stones and weapon level.

I just can't git gud guys I'm too fucking old!
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>>324105117

This is bullshit. I need Blood Stone Chunks and there's no good way to get them.
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what happens if you hit her? i'm scared to try
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>>324105216
Use that giant grave to your advantage with the Shadows. Keep the fire caster behind it while you deal with the ones using swords.
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>>324104643
could have something to do with the amount of contact you have with the great ones or otherworldly forces

amelia and laurence are high ranking members of the church which had lots of contact with the great ones and ludwig had the moonlight sword which channels a similar power or seems to have a connection to the moon presence
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>>324103564
Nobody is actually super tall, the good hunter is just a manlet
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>>324105354
She dies but comes back the next time you visit, I believe
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>>324104871
Couldn't find an image online, so I just took a photo of my book.
Also, the Cainhurst knight might just be concept art for the armor itself, or it could mean there was going to be a Cainhurst hunter NPC.
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>>324105369
Yeah I just gotta keep playing. Any advice on the others?
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>>324105354
She goes "ow", and dies if you hit her enough. Amazing stuff isn't it?
If you kill her, she just revives next time you enter the dream.
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>>324101089

Its not menstrual blood, stop being a fucking retard.
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>>324105224
farm chalice dungeons
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>>324105675
It's not literally menstrual blood, but menstruation is a major theme.
The moon, the blood, the theme of impregnation.
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>>324105216
>Can't beat 3 fags in the forrest.

how did you even get so far in the game if you can't beat the second easiest bosses in the game?
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>>324105459
>>324105513
nice -- but i still won't hit her
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>>324105354
You become a bad person, that's what happens.
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>>324104682
It's actually the other way around.
Mensis means month, and the menstrual cycle is named after this because it takes roughly a month for a cycle to complete.
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>>324105224
equip eye runes then kill the blue eyed werewolves in the upper cathedral ward, worked wonders for me
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>>324105505
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>>324105819

>its not literally menstrual blood, but its a major theme
>so let me continue shitposting about how the blood is menstrual blood

I'm sick of you motherfucking fetishists
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>>324105487
Why isn't that fucking book scanned yet?
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>>324105971
Didn't mean to reply. Fuck.
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>>324106025
Because nobody wants to tear theirs apart? It's a very nice and rather small art book, you're have to completely ruin it to scan it.
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>>324105914
You're a good hunter then.
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>>324103842
>untold generations
One human lifetime tops.
The church explodes onto the scene and is quickly extremely powerful by way of the blood.
Gherman and Maria and Byrgenwerth rape the fishing village after Kos washes up dead, they probably kill the orphan. Maria regrets it and dies.
Cainhurstfags happen at the same time, rise against the church and are wiped out after the church begins commissioning their own hunters.
Church starts spreading the plague themselves likely to have more experimental data on beasthood after Laurence turns on them, gets out of hand as the Gherman derived hunter schools have begun to turn at this point as well. They panic and burn it all down.
Hunter pool is largely exhausted, commission the populace to form militias and root out the plague themselves, backfires because bloodlust, only spreads everything worse.
Everything's an anarchic hellhole at this point, you show up to be cured of an unspecified disease.
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>>324105897
I kept playing the game. Like it's not hard but the game fuck with my head and I go into fear when I know I'm fighting a boss. Normal guys I can handle easy just bosses got me all fucked up.
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>>324105953
I've always wondered, why is that? Months are based on the moon, so why is it that our breeding season is almost exactly a month? Is it just a subconscious thing? Like how women can sometimes synch up their cycles with roommates or friends? Do we jhust subconsciously synch with the months because that's a period of time that our brain just knows?
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I'm chillin' out in front of Orphan of Kos if anyone wants to help me beat the shit out of him.

I'm the bitch sittin' down wearing deer antlers.
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>>324105487

Aw, well that would've been interesting. Despite there being only like 8 giants in the game, having a friendly one would've been a nice change. As morbid as it was, I appreciated the interaction with Saint Adeline. She was pleasant and I felt bad when she died. Giant Adella might've gotten the same reaction from me if she died or she goes mad and I'd be forced to kill her
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>>324106131
>One human lifetime tops.
Probably longer, since Gehrman and Willem seem to be immortal. I wouldn't say centuries, but maybe 100-200 years. The blood gives humans strange abilities, so their lives might not be equatable to ours.
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>>324106151
you can equip charred hunters set for better flame resistance when you fight them
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>>324102041
Environment does seem to play into things. Gilbert is implied to have taken part in the burning of Old Yarnham, where he caught the plague, and eventually turned into one of the beasts you find there, despite transforming in Central Yarnham.
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kos or kosm?
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>>324102041
I think its the vermin description but something in the game says that the harder you resist the beast curse, the longer it germinates and the worse of a beast you become. While "Cleric Beasts" are the next step past werewolf, once you pop you are stuck at that level of beasthood.
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>>324106445
Plip Plop or Splish Splash?
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I want a feature where I can ring a resonant bell and help anyone that needs it. Being in the right area sucks.
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>>324106391
I think Gilbert caught the scourge from his blood ministration. He's a foreignor, so the first thing he'd do when he got to Yharnam is get blood.
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>>324106385
Yeah I do that I know what to equip and junk I just need to stop being a bitch. If this was 10-15 years ago I'd probably ace this fucker. The game is fucking fun though I love everything about it. Even if I am a scrub.
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>>324106562
those two are wayyyyyy different, muh man
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>>324104797
No. Kill the Blood-Starved Beast, die to a sackman, then scour Yaraghul until you find Electric Boogaloo. It's pretty complicated. I recommend just shooting Djura twice point blank with the blunderbuss to make him fall to his death.
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>micolash and his followers at yahargul thought wearing birdcages would help them commune with the ayyy lmaos
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>>324104402
Best way to beat Djura is to buy a Hunter's Axe. Run up to him, dodge his initial blunderbuss attack then do a dodging attack with the transformed hunter's axe. Knocks him off.
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>>324104643
>Amelia is a cleric but doesn't turn into a Cleric beast
Its arguable that Amelia is just the female version of a Cleric Beast since her design and cleric beast share many similarities in the head/hands/legs. Amelia just has a longer neck
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>>324106837
AND THEY WERE RIGHT
so right they all died when they made contact with a dead ayylmao
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>mfw trying Defiled Amygdala
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>>324105897
I actually gave up one one boss. After a single try, I felt so humiliated by being memed on at the last second by the easiest boss in the game, I went and slaughtered the Shadows of Yarnham. I never went back to Hemwick though. My butthurt was too great.
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>>324104643
Amelia does turn into a cleric beast, she even has the antlers. She just looks different because she's a different person. Not all beasts look the same. Ludwig is especially distinct from the other clerics.
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>>324069257
>>324069427
Brah that's dark af.
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>>324107062
Were Amelia and Laurence ever Hunters though? That likely affected how Ludwig turned out.
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>>324106837
They were right though, and it fucked up everything
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>>324106935
They even share a theme.
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>>324107196
Cleric Beast drops the badge of Ludwig's hunters. Amelia was probably a blood saint.
I think Ludwig's horrible transformation is due to his willpower. By focusing on his moonlight he was able to fend off the beast much longer than anyone else, and even regained his mind after transforming. Willpower that strong is bound to build a powerful inner beast. Seems almost like his will and his scourge were evenly matched and constantly at odds.
There's also the matter of his second 'mouth', which is filled with eyes and fires an arcane spray attack. This could suggest that even when he succumbed to the scourge his wisdom and insight became manifest in his beast form.
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>>324106937
>>324107294
It was right because they needed to have the obligatory meme helmet that every souls game has, but they wrote this one into the story as some meaningful bullshit kek
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>>324105354
You kill yourself from the shame of it.
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>>324105354
Why is she so adorable?
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>>324107509
>gold ardea
>mensis cage
>enlarged head
BB has quite a few ""meme helmets""
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>>324106217
I still don't get it what's that image about, but I guess it's some gay porn.
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>>324107465
>and even regained his mind after transforming
Was there ever an explanation for why Patches and the Beggar were totally lucid? Everyone else was either cursed with Down's or totally nuts.
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>>324107509
Dude, Bloodborne has WAY MORE than one silly meme helmet, and they actually do have an inherent significance that's not tacked-on. Basically eyes=insight, so everyone who doesn't know the truth about the ayylmaos wears a vision-obstructing helmet (the executioners, the choir, the vilebloods, the patients... there's also a bunch of guys who gouge out their eyes to avoid becoming mad) whereas the Mensis dudes wear a hat that lets them see, but binds them to the Great Ones. It's not exactly deep but it's genuinely meaningful.
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Whirligig Saw is ludicrously good.

Goddamn son.
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i feel bad for PC-onlys. they would really like bloodborne. hell, i'd buy it agian on PC, but it'll never ever happen
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>>324107737
Patches wasn't a beast, he was more of a kin. I guess we never really learned why the Mensis cultists became spiders, or why some of them still had human features.
As for the beggar, I think he's probably embraced his beasthood. If fighting the scourge makes you mutate horribly and lose your mind, then how about embracing it? The Beast Embrace rune suggests that if you accept the scourge then it's quite gentle on you. So the Beggar may have simply accepted and embraced his new lifestyle. I mean, he was a cannibal already, it's not like becoming a beast was much of a lifestyle change.
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>>324107915

Its fucking insane, I love it.

I'm in the middle of making a HMS crusader build, I hope its good.
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>>324107726
No you idiot, it's performance art.

Watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibQKvjT_dKg
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>>324107892
Actually, I think the eye obstructing helms are more about not needing your human eyes. You have eyes inside, with which you can see far more than your external eyes ever could.
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i'm at wet nurse, but i'm going to put her on hold for the DLC

i haven't done a single chalice nor do i really know what they are (for). pls tell me why or why i shouldn't do some
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>>324108008
ain't gonna watch some half naked guys on vid.
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