The Codex Astartes is a set of rules. They guide us....shape us as Ultramarines...teach us how to hold duty and honor sacred above all. But how we live with those rules is the true test of a Space Marine.
>>324030737 He sold his superior, his sworn battle brother, to outside forces. He's a traitor to his genes and to his Primarch. You don't go tattling to the Inquisition, you tell your Chapter Master and keep your problems in house.
Titus had no signs of corruption and Leandros betrayed his own chapter by turning him in. Little faggot was too much of a rookie to even be on that mission - dude couldn't stop talking about the fucking Codex for five seconds.
>>324030737 Except, you know, risking literally an entire company, if not the entire chapter of the Ultramarines by crying to the Inquisition instead of consulting a chaplain. Really though, I can't help but feel that that was more either incompetent writing or just straight up disregarding the fluff of 40K in terms of how loyalist space marines actually properly deal with the risk of potential Chaos corruption within their ranks.
In DoW2 the blood ravens didn't go crying to the Inquisition because one of their battle brothers became corrupted. They also didn't go crying to them when Kyras turned out to be in the cahoots with Khorne. What did they do? They smacked traitors in the face, sent possible corrupted battle brothers in a penitence crusade and then smacked their CM in the face and prevented an Exterminatus
>imperial guard shitting their pants struggling with Orks >be spess mehereen coming along seeing their trouble >yank the heavy bolter that would take 3 imperial guards to carry and hip fire that sucker until Orks turn into paste
>>324030737 the ultramarines are most codex loving faggots out there he just wanted to help him comrade to get him free of possible corruption and called for the highest instance instead of a chaplain so you are correct op
>>324033304 honestly he might just be a mild blank or just have good mental health, plus the ones who were going on about how resistant to the warp he is and how super suspicious that is were not exactly trustworthy sources, a daemonhost and a chaos warlord.
>>324031863 I actually think it was Relic taking the piss at Matt Ward. Portraying a younger Ultramarine obsessed with the codex astartes as incompetent, inexperienced, naive, and over all a negative force.
Keep in mind Relic was staffed by people who really understood 40k and were also fans of the series, enough that a few of them posted on /tg/ way back in the day.
>>324033613 Most likely. The way Ward portrays the Ultramarines is fucking retarded and Leandros is pretty much exactly what a Wardian UM would be like - a rigid, naive idiot who can't change his combat strategy or think on his own.
If Leandros were in charge of the attack on Graia they would've been shot down before they even got to the surface because muh codex.
>>324030737 Even if you thought Titus was corrupted, he massively fucked up by making it an Inquisitorial matter. It should have gone to the Chapter Chaplain and Librarian first and ended there. None of the First Founding wants to bother with the Inquisition.
>>324033304 >>324033532 The chapter would definitely have noticed if he was a blank. Only 1000 soldiers per chapter means you can afford to look closely. One of the more common theories is that he is favored by Khorne, whether he knows it or not, and that's why he heals from executions (extremely bloody kills) and is able to fuck magic.
>>324034918 It's possible he was favored by Khorne, but I doubt it. He never seemed to revel in carnage - he just viewed it as necessary to get the job done.
It's possible he's a blank but like you said, they'd have found out by now. 1,000 marines per chapter and the fact that he's been in active combat for over 200 years means it would have come up at some point.
I just finish chaos rising and started playing retribution and why Thaddeus is the canon traitor alongside Avitus? Shouldnt be Avitus and Martellus? Or is just because they need to make space for Diomedes as the assault marine?
>>324030737 >misinterpreted his own Primarch's guidelines >squealed to the inquisition rather than going to his own Chaplain/Librarian >brought distrust on his chapter >distracted the Black Templars, leaving the Blood Ravens alone in a fucking forge world He did plenty wrong.
>>324036736 >>324036826 IIRC, the part about Vanilla Ice and Thaddeus was never confirmed, just assumed. Even in the pure ending, Gabriel makes it fairly clear that Kyras will want their asses on a platter and tells you to wait until he gives the word, so they might have just been hiding. Given that Tarkus and Cyrus were also in hiding, it's possible that Thaddeus and Vanilla Ice either didn't get the message, or didn't get to the fighting in time.
>>324038962 In all seriousness, it was probably from when the Custodes fought alongside the legions in the great crusade. The Thousand Sons could have pulled off the heist when they were loyal, given their skills in divination and the ones who did happened to be the ones who went into the corvidae cult. The bit about it being present during the showdown was probably made up.
>>324030737 He has less knowledge about the meaning codex astartes than his dear captain, which already had no knowledge of its meaning, thus being a complete failure as a son of macragge and ultramar.
>>324039575 not settled as such, but the only way it isn't the Thousand Sons is if someone pulls an incredibly retarded retcon.
As it stands, they have 1) Identical divination based battle strategy, save for less mindbullets involved 2) an abundance of psykers and identical recruitment tactics 3) a splinter faction called the corvidae (which translates to Raven) cult that went out on their own just before the heresy 4) Abbadon being particularly interested in them, implying that he's buttflustered about a traitor legion having a loyal splinter 5) Eliphas giving hints out the ass 6) A prophecy stating that the future of the Thousand Sons involves a Raven of Blood. The author who wrote it actually apologised for making it too obvious.
While it is possible that it's the most elaborate red herring ever devised, it would be Stephanie Myer tier bad writing to do so. A red herring is supposed to be an implication, not shouting IT IS X! IT IS! then saying ACTUALLY NO, WHAT A TWEEST!
>>324040712 Blade of the Unrelenting was easily the best weapon for it. Fuck hammers and Terminator armour, even the Blessed Cage, they can go to those faggots that die when Ulkair glances briefly in their direction.
>>324040928 He also has Terminator honors (the gold marking on his kneepad) meaning he's had to have seen some intense shit and been a veteran of a lot of battles to have access to Terminator armor over vets like Sidonus and Titus.
But he still acts like a fucking rookie faggot.
He god damn better have been held down and nailed with socks filled with bolter shells for what he did to Titus.
>>324041027 This is truth. What I dont get is that they are always going on about "accesability" and how the wargame market is dying yet they could simply release a type of "quickgame" ruleset that simplifies the game for quick 15 minute matches. Put out small battle box sets with this new rule book at a reasonable price and you expand the hobby.
Id basically just copy the system that was made for that Army Men game. I cant recall the name but its for battles for the little plastic army men you can buy at the drugstore. Its very simple and can be played in 10-15 minute sets. They would also move more product by opening up a new manufacturing plant in the US. Prices of models could go down but overall profit would go up because you get around exporting from Bongistan to the American market.
>>324040928 Second Company isn't veteran, it's just second company, a standard battle company like 3rd, 4th and 5th. They take marines out of the reserve companies as and when they need them to fill dead mens shoes, or those who have been inducted into 1st company.
>>324041512 That would be a great way to actually create interest in the hobby too, since the average 40K game requires an entire day off to accomplish. A short, smaller-scale skirmish variant with cheaper models and a more adequate rule system would be just what GW needs to push product and get the numbers they want.
>>324042252 Don't I know it. Iv got 15000 points yeah 15 thousand, of Imperial Guard. Most of them I molded myself because fuck spending that much money, but a fair chunk was from when prices were reasonable. I remember paying 20 dollars for 30 guardsmen.
Iv played a game with my 3 friends who combined their armies, chaos, orks, and tyranids. It took 2 days to finish it. Its so simple I dont see why GW doesnt do it. Small 500 point or less games with simplified rulesets, release a couple of battleboxes like SMvsCSM IGvsOrks TauvsTyranids EldarvsDeldar with a copy of the new rules.
>no RPG somewhat like Mass Effect based on being an Inquisitor >no tactical shooter as an Imperial Guardsmen, basically a mix of Rainbow Six and Full Spectrum warrior >No Space Marine 2 >No DOW 3 >No Supreme Commander scale RTS game >No Sins of a Solar Empire clone game
>>324040387 Holy shit. Got any more of these? I have a few ork ones but not too many of the others. >>324044272 >No Commissar training your troops >No Magos or Logis to report to you about the fleet's tech
SJW wants to shove his pronouns into an established setting and says there is no reason not to, claims that the lore that only men can be made space marines because the Emperor is male and geneseed is based on hsi genetic makeup isnt an argument because its science fiction fantasy.
Why do these people believe that? I FUCKING HATE the argument that just because something isn't real it can be anything you want. The universe has consistent rules and ideas. You cant just suddenly say Space Marines can be female. The established setting is that they cannot. Its just like the faggots wanting blacks and women to feature more heavily in medieval era games. Fuck nigger its the medieval period, it doesn't matter if its fantasy medieval or not. ITS THE FUCKING MEDIEVAL AGES. Your fight for women's rights is just going to get you burned at the fucking stake you god damn heretic.
The whole fucking point of these settings half the time is to show how utterly barbaric and inhuman it is. 40k is barbaric, its inhuman, human suffering has surpassed any possible understanding that we could have. Its a fucking setting where you as an individual hold NO VALUE. At all. Billions die across the galaxy in minutes, uncountable worlds are locked in wars that would devestate our planet ten times over. The common man is an oppressed serf who is mouth frorthingly religious, who eats soylent green while working 16 hour shifts to make the buttons for the coats of the Imperial guard.
Part of me is glad gamesworkshop never changes and doesnt listen to anyone but themselves. Because they will never kowtow to this insane bullshit.
>>324045664 Fortunately, the one saving grace of GW is that they utterly ignore SJW shit. They know what sells, they know their audience, and they certainly won't risk fucking up the gold mine they're sitting on for the sake of people that aren't even their demographic.
If it weren't for them being one of the biggest crowd of jews in the business world, they'd actually be pretty based.
>>324046376 >>324046635 I've heard good things about Ciaphas Cain, but I wanted some good stories related to the Heresy/Chaos. Looks interesting though, I'll keep an eye on them. >>324046873 >:^) I have the feeling you're just shitposting
>>324048239 Haven't heard much of Ahriman's trilogy since I recently discovered that it existed. I'm out of the loop but I could guess that not too many involve the Necrons with their new lore and all.
This is fantasy related but has anyone read the Endtimes with Archaon?
>>324047804 Nah, the discussion is about equal, and each board excels in certian areas of discussion. And /v/ has the benefit of not having people like Carnac, ND, tau posters to shit up threads. But /v/ certainly does have quite good discussion, I'll give you that
>>324050714 >>324050820 It's also good because /v/ 40k threads are only up every so often, so we're not burned out on it, and it's niche enough, despite being fairly popular, that it's populated by people who actually played the games, not shitposters. /tg/ would roll their eyes at used up jokes/discussions, but /v/ can have a fresh take on it while still have a laugh and, like you said, avoid the unholy trinity of /tg/ shitposters. I've lost count of the number of times I've banged my head against Carnac's mental brick wall regarding the Ravens
>>324051103 >where do you want to start? Like I said some chaos-related stuff would be nice, doesn't have to be Heresy-related but it would be nice. If you think there's a story that's particularly good I'd like to check it out too
>>324052042 >Rogue trader finds part of a missing fleet so the Admech cum their pants at the wonders that an Old Explorator group had that were lost and fund a fleet. Black Templars accompany it because they are exploring "new" areas. This don't go to plan.
>>324052332 For Chaos? Night Lords Trilogy by ADB will start you off really well. There's also Iron Warriors Omnibus and the Word Bearers Omnibus too.
>>324052091 +++ Records Unknown +++ GW hasn't clarified yet
>>324030737 >you will never defect to the Tau Empire as a Gue'vesa >you will never fight with your fellow alien comrades in the name of a noble cause >you will never return home from war to your pregnant Tau wife who is lovingly awaiting a new bond between your two peoples
>>324051490 >I've lost count of the number of times I've banged my head against Carnac's mental brick wall regarding the Ravens Just post the proofs rooster and he'll go away. It's what I did when he went on about tau ships being better than imperium ones, tau are the best, ect. around the release of either mon'tka or kauyon, and look what that did. The rooster is still holding the "no proofs" sign in the 40k general pic to this day because of me.
>>324056598 >No game set in Commorragh >You will never start off as either a noble trueborn or a lowly test tube DE >You will never devote your life to either partake in the arena, be a realspace raider, or to an Incubi shrine >You will never start off doing small errands and then lead your own Cabal where you manage troops, bodyguards, and realspace raids.
Shira Calpurnia omnibus. Even though it's mostly just politicking within the imperium the second novel is fucking awesome. Shira Calpurnia an arbites officer with some distant tie to a space marine in her family is told that she gets to preside over the transfer of an ancient rogue trader charter... that was signed by the emperor himself, and dotted with his blood. Her lieutenant fucking hyperventilates himself to unconciousness when he hears about this, the local ecclesiarchy tries to confiscate the charter because it's y'know a holy relic of the emperors life. The mechanicus gets involved and I believe even the inquisition shows up too. It's entertaining as fuck to see a planet basically rip itself apart over a 10 000 year old paper with the signature and a drop of blood from the emperor on it.
it's even more interesting when you see what this paper can do to daemons
>>324056810 True but he was shitting on the universe while describing it. He went from: "Oh look at this universe, I fucking love 40k but there's clearly not enough female representation so it's putting me off a little" to: "the actual reason I wrote this was because no models/codex and SoB are overpriced." While he's not wrong about SoB being forgotten by GW, he's just bitching like a child.
>>324058639 The problem was, the article can be summed up as
>Businesses, especially publically traded businesses, shouldn't care about making profit, but about pandering to minorities >How dare they try and make as much money as possible! WAAAH THEY GOT RID OF WHFB AND IM SO UPSET! MAKE MORE WOMEN DESPITE THE REASON SOB NOT GETTING UPDATED IS DOWN TO SALES AND THUS PROVES THERE IS NO MARKET! >I'm going to ignore the half a dozen model companies which run on smaller numbers and margins than GW and thus can afford to make lower quality cheesecake/proxy models!
>>324034918 >>324036375 >He never seemed to revel in carnage - he just viewed it as necessary to get the job done.
Every time he goes into super-mode he yells something about serving the Emperor or whatever. What if he's favored by the Emperor? That would explain why he's resistant to the warp, and why everyone would accuse him of being tainted by the warp. Everyone forgets that the Emperor can use warp powers too, and no one accuses him of heresy.
>>324059134 Dawn of War and winter assault have actual campaigns.
Dow is space marine centric Winter assault has guardsmen, eldar, chaos and ork campaigns.
Dark crusade shifts to a province control type game with much less story, but 7 playable races (it adds necrons and tau, which are pretty bland due to the ruleset of 40k when the game was made). It's fun, but it's also painfully simple.
Soulstorm adds two more races (albiet fucking awfully balanced ones), keeps the dark crusade formula, has some quality of life improvements for some races, but also makes other things like province defense more tedious.
Throughout the whole dawn of war 1 series, eldar are unbelievably fucking overpowered and succeeded in a forum campaign on relic to get other races nerfed and their own race buffed.
>>324059540 Campaign wise? Vanilla is super easy. WA is by far the hardest. DC is fun except for when you're fighting a high level Eldar base who are fucking OP. SS is DC except longuer, less fun and more tedious, Eldar have been balanced but DE and Necrons are super weak.
>>324034918 >>324035329 >>324036097 >>324036375 >>324059401 The game is an alternate universe. The fluff doesn't match up and there are weapons in the game not supported by GW (I think the example is the Nade Launcher which Relic had to beg GW to let them use, even in an alt universe). GW seems to let people do Alt Universes a lot more. Age of Reckoning was alt universe, for example. Warhammer Total War isn't alt universe, it's just between 2502 and 2515.
I'd love to see the Sisters to have stuff like: -Combat and Storm Shields -Expanded Acts of Faith with extra miracles -Completely new units -Better Relics from their Reliquary for their HQs -Giving them back Land Raiders or have them have an equivalent of theirs to said Land Raiders
>>324059540 The DoW and WA are more traditional campaigns.
>>324059892 RagingHeroes is doing Proxy SoB (which are insane) as well as Proxy Sisters of Sigmar.
There is a unit in these called Knights of the Chalice. They're essentially Terminator Armoured SoB with Sword + Shield. They look amazing in art, but they don't have the money to make them look good in models...
I've bought about $130 worth thou. Well, I have $130 to spend on them when they're fully done.
The DoW campaign is about the spehhs mahreens. It's its own little thing and even when some things don't make sense fluff-wise, it's still fun to play through. WA is a hit or miss. Some people love it, some hate it. It's IG simulator, take that as you will
Dark Crusade and Soulstorm are risk-like campaigns, basically you just play skirmishes in all of them with the exception of some areas that have specific objectives and the stronghold missions which are really fun. The best part about DC is the banter you get from all the commanders
Soulstorm is the same campaign format from DC but it's shit, don't play it.
A lot of people hate DoW2 for no reason, but the campaigns in it are really fun. Chaos Rising is the best. I think I actually like the DoW2 campaigns more than the DoW1 campaigns
>>324059836 >(I think the example is the Nade Launcher which Relic had to beg GW to let them use, even in an alt universe) Third parties come up with new weapons for 40k is nothing new. They probably showed it to their GW relations guy, explained about where it came from and what it does and then put it in after he said 'yeah, ok then'.
>>324060240 The thing I hate about DoW2 Chaos Rising, is it's very hard to make a single unit get high corruption and nobody else. It's either everybody or nobody. The only way to reduce it is with reducation gear, which outright nerfs you. Since corruption gear needs specific levels of corruption to be equipable.
However, I enjoyed them more than DoW1, despite DoW1's amazing VA. Retribution is the best for me though. Plenty of factions, playing as Nids was cool as fuck, the loot is fun and getting units and their upgrades instead of loot was also fun in it's own right. Ork Campaign and IG campaign were the best.
>>324030737 >Leandros is a Red Scorpions-tier codex basher >but reports Titus to the Inquisition because he suspects taint >even though the proper procedure IN THE CODEX is to report him to the head Chaplain/Chapter Master Leandros was wrong by the standards of his own goddamn book.
>>324060240 Dark Crusade and Soulstorm are more multiplayer-oriented, right? I'm not that experienced in the RTS genre so for now I'd settle for a fun campaign. Looks like I'll buy DoW GOTY and see if I like it, I appreciate the info man
>>324059921 You must remembering things wrong because they were at least mid-tier. Celestian were the 2nd best AV infantry right behind Fire Dragon. Seraphim were amazing harrasser. Penitent Engine was straight up the best walker of the game. Battle Sisters squad are SM squad with less HP and option. Repentia were also one of the best melee units.
>>324060532 Canonically, Avitus was considered the traitor I think. >>324060535 Retribution was fun in its own way, making your squad the most overpowered thing was always fun to see >Plague Champion infects a squad, infection spreads, you can manually detonate infected squads, that cause zombies, rinse repeat >Commissar Lord execute can make your squad invulnerable and deal more damage, beat the entire game with an army of guardsmen
>>324060374 I hate trying to make Avitus the guy. I just can't bring myself to get corruption and it sucks there is no easy way to tip him over the edge while leaving everybody else normal. Also, at Lv.24 you can easily get 3000+ Range DPS with him, making him insane against everything bar vehicles.
>>324060535 DoW series is the benchmark for vidya VA work. Outside SS, there's not a single one with multiple outstanding performances. I've no idea why portal gets jacked off constantly for VA work despite being outclassed so readily
no dude that's what I was trying to explain to you. If you want to corrupt a single unit you can give them corrupted gear and take them on missions. It's a no brainer. You can only use purity wargear if you're at 0% corruption, not the other way around. Using corrupted gear doesn't require any level of corruption beforehand
>>324061020 >dat pic Literally a normal terminator with boobs.
>I hate it when anyone on your team goes traitor, even Martellus.
I just...it's like a Khorne Berserker tearing into you. Only instead of spilled blood, your soul is torn apart by sadness. That's why Jonas is the best traitor because he didn't really betray you and show ghis loyalty beyond death.
>>324061280 Corrupted gear needs certain levels and those that don't are awful you end up nerfing yourself. Furthermore, not taking them on the mission is kinda moot point as you need to take 4 dudes. Some gear reduces your corruption when equipped. It doesn't have any set level required.
>>324061480 We don't really know and it doesn't help that whenever they are appearing their power level change to fit the plot.
>>324061483 I think the reason why people says "X race is over/under-powered" is because they only played the campaign. Playing the campaign on normal doubled the HP of your units so everything you faced seems squishy in comparison.
>>324062540 Wait, you referring to the picture I asked if it was fan art or the proxy models art? If the former, then yeah, boobplate is off putting for that kind of armour, as for the proxies, I like them due to not being terminator armour with boobs slapped on them.
>>324063765 >DoW 1 Orks and IG over DoW 2 Orks and IG Nope, not gonna agree on this, DoW 2 orks are meaner, greener and orkier, nevermind more attention in regards to their other designs and for the love of god that fucking vox sound effect on all IG vehicles in DoW 1 is pure cancer, although the LET ME PREACH HIS NAME preacher was godlike.
>>324065220 >DOWI Orks are comical, DOWII definitely sound meaner. DoW 2 ones also have some of this, like Warboss saying "Dis gonna be a long trip, so pee before we leave" everytime you order a group of units to travel with him on a big distance.
>mfw remembering that /tg/ greentext story about an SoB Canoness abusing a choir boy by shoving his face into her twat between her enormous fit supple thighs then forcing him to lap up every drip of her urine as an exercise of devotion and loyalty towards the Ecclesiarchy.
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