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MoP was the second best expansion after TBC. Literally the only bad thing about it was the goofy looking/acting pandas.
Prove me wrong
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>>324014131
Eh, I'd say WotLK was better overall, but it's close. I personally enjoyed it, sans pandas. But then again, I played warlock.
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>>324014131
what purposeless and mundane life you must lead saying whats unpopular on a japanese image board so you can feel the tiniest sliver of validation. validation not that you're right of course but validated as in an action to prove to yourself that you exist at all

fag
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>>324014264
>Wotlk
>not complete shit
It had more cut content than any expansion. It started the whole "hero class" bullshit, each and every dev was fellating DKs(and sometimes Paladins and Warlocks) non stop.
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>>324014131
>What is WotLK?
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>dailies of Pandaria

No.
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>>324014131
>Literally the only bad thing about it was the goofy looking/acting pandas.
right, but that took a huge toll

fag
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>>324014406
>It had more cut content than any expansion.
What is Cata?

And even with some content cut WotLK was still better. I prefer an expansion with cut content over an expansion where there was no content planned to begin with.
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Good times back in 2008.
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>>324014406
DKs were actually pretty mediocre for the second half of the expansion, except for Blood which was broken in PvE due to armor pen.
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>>324014916
And by the end tanking DKs where absolute dogshit
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>>324014916
The only spec who wasn't too overpowered was Frost, who were only the second best melee DPS in PvE after Fury warriors. Meanwhile Blood DKs were the best tank and a more than decent DPS and incredibly strong BG heroes, and UH completely dominated every kind of PvP, while also being more than decent in PvE.
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>>324015067
>Blood DKs were the best tank
During/After ulduar they where pretty shit m8.

Still best class to solo/yolo a 1% boss health when the raid wipes.
I loved my bloodcow.
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>>324014916
>Second half of expansion
>Blood DKs broken in PvE
Unholy was their #1 PvE DPS-spec. Indeed, blood was their weakest DPS spec.
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>All these wrathbabies
Wrath was shit, lazy, easy raids and started the trend of only 1 tier being relevant.
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>>324014131
>MoP was the second best expansion after TBC
Not much of a claim, since it's competing against Cata and WoD which nearly everyone agrees were (are) horseshit. WotLK is the only legitimate contender, but as far as I'm concerned Wrath's easy dungeons and pugable raids were the beginning of the end in terms of destroying the community aspect of the game. It also started the egregious trend of having a whole fucking year of the final content patch which they're STILL DOING over six years later. Some of the zones (Borean Tundra, Zul'Drak, Dragonblight) had unfulfilling or completely unfinished storylines. The goals/motivations of the Lich King were never clearly explained in-game, and in terms of plot progression Ulduar and ToC were blatant filler
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>>324015338
What about multi-target fights? My guild had like 2 Blood DKs on DPS iirc and we were pretty cutting edge. I never played one myself though
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What are the best private servers to play each expacs?
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>>324015338
>ICC
All the good player dropped the game after the travesty that is ToC was released.
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>>324015745
The guy I quoted said
>second half of the expansion
ICC is the second half of the expansion.
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>>324015631
>Cutting edge
Well, they're the edgelords after all...
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>>324015338
Dunno where those numbers are from, but I'm pretty sure with capped ArP Blood beat out Unholy. Might have needed Shadowmourne
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>>324015865
Fuck, I remember Firelands being much longer.
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>>324014131
Lich king was better.
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>>324015865
I can't help but feel that this chart is flawed/misleading with the inclusion of Zul gurub and Zul aman, not sure how to handle them but they were never the main raids..
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>>324015865
>counting ruby sanctum as a separate tier
Is this image a joke? Wrath was not 196 days of ICC followed by 168 days of RS, it was 364 days of ICC
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>>324016048
And ruby sanctum.
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>>324014131
In terms of individual quality, MoP was worse than WotLK. However, WotLK set Cataclysm and onward into motion, so it was the worst and most damaging to WoW as a whole.
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>>324015919
It says in the picture. Top50 parses from World of Logs. So in practice it's BiS gear, good RNG, perfect play and a generally short encounter (high cooldown uptime). If blood DKs were the highest DPS spec at some point, it's certainly not with Shadowmourne because realistically 100% of the players included in the average probably had one.

>>324016048
>>324016095
Then add them together. Simple.
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>>324016268
everything set everything else in motion
BC started a whole lot of bullshit by introducing arenas
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>>324016393
>BC started a whole lot of bullshit by introducing arenas
This.
PVPtards ruined the game in general.
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>>324016268
I honestly don't see what people rate wrath so highly for, while ulduar and ICC were rad they came at the cost of 2 shit tiers.
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>>324016393
>being this autistic

Sure, I'll rephrase. WotLK set all the bad things into motion.
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>>324016458
nothing wrong with pvp as long as it was group based
2v2's did a lot of damage to the game however
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>>324016496
Naxx was good, especially for people like me, who hadn't the chance to experience it in vanilla.
Also, expansions isn't just raids. It's quest, environment, music, visual design etc.
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>>324016496
The continent itself and the leveling experience were pretty good
for many people it was a welcome return to a more true to warcraft expansion after TBC fucked up in that aspect
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>>324016535
>instanced PvP
>in an MMO
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>>324016620
>>324016641
I didn't like the questing either honestly, it started the wanking of the player character with the lich king quest lines, that is of course a very subjective criticism.
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>>324016641
Boring Thundra, Dragonblight, Zul'Drak, Sholazar and Icecrown were fucking awful
The only redeeming ones were Storm Peaks, Howling Fjord and Grizzly Hills
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>>324016393
But it wasn't until WotLK when they really became damaging to the game, like gutting classes in the name of "e-sports".

Or let's think of something like welfare gear instead: vanilla had plenty of what I would consider "welfare" or "catchup" gear (be it affordable craftables like Bloodvine set, BoE tier set pieces, AV rep items or significanly buffed 5-man dungeon loot at later portions of the expansion) and so did TBC but I believe varied gear sources and a degree of catchup mechanisms are a necessary part of the game (indirectly nerfing content such that players aren't forever stuck in the same content, allowing dedicated new players to make themselves noticed and worth picking up rather than being stuck with bad old players who are forever raiding low-tier content for a reason - this is important even for the top-end guilds). While accessible good gear was always a thing, vanilla and TBC didn't go overboard. It wasn't until WotLK when you started receiving current-tier content from facerollable content (doable by 5 worst players on the server, without any of them uttering a word) in such quantities and with such ease that all but the latest raid tiers became instantly obsolete.

Same with designs like flying: I agree that flying has pretty much inherent disadvantages in making PvP easy to avoid, allowing you to skip content etc. but TBC had numerous world PvP hotspots, actual reasons to get in the world, it was far more difficult to avoid fights due to double cast time on the mount, fast flying was actually prestigious and slow was there only for gating of content rather than fast travel (due to being slower than ground mount) etc. The design kinda worked in TBC, and through inflation-corrected pricing, keeping the cast times and slow speed, not making the game a queue simulator etc. WotLK would have avoided the most damning effects. But it didn't, and TBC doesn't deserve the blame.
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>>324015338
Why does this chart ignore 1/3rd of the instance?
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>>324017530
Well for one it wouldn't be fair to count BQL
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>>324017530
Blood Queen for example is ignored because who gets the first bite affects DPS more than everything else. I don't remember the actual justification for the absence of other bosses (insufficient sample size for Lich King heroic, maybe?) but I remember they had legit justifications when I grabbed the picture from the original source.
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>>324016535

>Balancing around a mini game

Arenas were a mistake.

t. Holy Paladin

Why the fuck couldn't they just have had separate balance for arenas/bgs and the rest of the game? guild wars was doing it at about the same time as burning crusade.
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>BC released
>this is shit I can't wait for WotLK
>WotLK released
>this is shit I wish I was playing BC
>Cataclysm released
>this is shit I wish I was playing WotLK

etc etc
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>>324017821
>t.
Can someone explain this epic new meme to me? Or is this just a wordfilter or something?
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>>324018016
Lurk more nigger
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>>324018016
"t." is short for "terveisin", which is Finnish for "regards"
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>>324018016
It means signed, probably some gay reddit shit.
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>>324018175
Merci!
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>>324014131
I enjoyed it more than TBC.

Its pretty much my favorite part of WoW, next to vanilla maybe, and that only because of vanillas novelty and somewhat different structure.
TBC kinda railroaded all expansions into following the same idea.
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I have just uninstalled WoW. Literally not even ten minutes ago. Ask me anything, family.
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>>324018706

When are you going to install nostalrius bro
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>>324014131
>implying any of the expansions has been anything other than complete shit
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>>324018815
I played it during the summer. I have a 60 warlock there, but I'd like to play The Burning Crusade way more than classic.
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>>324019230
CORECRAFT SOON
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>Ysera is corrupted and killed
>Lich King commanding the Death Knights
>Varian and Vol'jin most likely dying

Are you ready for Legion?

j-just 8 more months, y-yay
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>>324019525
I dont mind the wait, I got other games to play.
Definitely wont give Blizzard money now though, not even ingame gold.
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>>324019525
>Vol'Jin becomes warchief
>he instantly disappears because he's not marketable to kids

fucking hell
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>>324020000
Well he's a pretty terrible character to be honest. Nice quads
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>>324020000
Good he shouldn't have been Warchief in the first place, it should have been Lor'Themar or Sylvanas, at least we got War Queen Sylvanas for Legion.
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mop > wotlk post argent tournament > tbc > wotlk > classic > cata > wod
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>>324020118
Ulduar still beats ICC
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>mfw throne of thunder is literally the best raid
Get rekt Ulduar fags

>>324020000
Simply epic storytelling
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Shit opinion below
I like 4.0 cataclysm.
The dungeons were reasonably difficult
And that was the last patch before that whole normal mode raids cleared on day one became a thing
Also it had some of the prettiest zones (except for twilight highlands)
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>WotLK>Panadria>Vanilla>BC>>>>Cataclysm>>>>>>>>>>>WoD
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>>324020393
Cata launch was fine.
Its everything after that that sucked.
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>>324020536
Nope.

>TBC>classic>MoP>WotLK>Cataclysm>WoD
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TBC > Wrath > MoP > Cata > Vanilla >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WoD

Vanillafags please shut up, I don't care about your nostalgia for muh good ol' days. It was not a very good game. You didn't know any better when you were 13 and coming off of Runescape.
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>>324020257
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Classic was and still is shit.

I hate nostalgiafags.
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>>324020807
Cata is not better than WoD. They're both shit but Cata had literally the worst zones/questing in the history of the game, and only a single good raid.
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>>324014131

>Literally the only bad thing about it was the main core race of the entire expansion.
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>>324020393
cata launch was awesome
tier 11 was a really well done raid tier. one of the best they ever made.
cata 5man heroics were straight up the best 5man experience i ever had in the game (played from vanilla until mop)

cata could have gone on to be the best expansion ever, but they decided to slack off
>first 'major content patch' has 2 5man dungeons, that's it
>second raid tier is released, barely big enough to qualify as half a raid tier
>third raid tier is fucking dragon soul

i dont get how they could go from making a really good raid tier (BoT and BWD were god tier) to making the abomination that was dragon soul.
not to mention the cancer that is LFR
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>>324020892
But WoD only has a SINGLE raid. Also leveling is fun the first time. Then it's tedious cause there's no diversity or choice.
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Only Vanilla was good BC, Wrath, Cata, Mop and WoD were all dogshit. Vanilla had the best PvE and PvP. I feel sorry for people who never got to play the GOAT WoW. Privat Server don't count cuz they are buggy and don't have the good old community where most people were +30.
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>>324021203
WoD has three, what are you talking about?

>there's no diversity or choice.
There wasn't any in Cata outside of picking Vashjir/Hyjal. The quests and phasing in Cata were so beyond awful that I would say the expansion was worse for that alone.
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>>324021203
Raiding wasnt the issue in WoD.
All raids were alright, even Highmaul was passable and somehow better than Dragonsoul.
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>>324021428
Highmaul definitely wasn't too impressive visually but it did have fun fights
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>>324021528
If Highmaul had like two more bosses in that castle itself and a tierset to go with it they couldve delivered it as a whole raiding tier and WoDs endgame raiding situation wouldnt look so bad.

As it stands you got BRF and HFC as two raid tiers and nobody dares to count Highmaul.

Blizzard can be really stupid about some things. Same with saying that BRF is not part of a major patch and then making the major patch twitter only.
Its like they actively want to piss people off with shit like that.
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>>324020000
Vol'jin is uninteresting. He was only looked upon favorably because he wasn't Garrosh, Sylvannas (who seems to have a perfectly split opinion growing on the "hate" side on the forums) or Thrall.

Panda "leader" is a) stupid and b) possibly dead and / or fucked off and the Blood Elf guy's "lol who?" status has reached meme level so he was out too.
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>>324021689
Highmaul had seven bosses; same as Firelands and more than ToC
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>>324022347
ToC was fucking shit tier and Firelands really needed those two extra bosses too.
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>>324017821
After like 3-4~ expacs they did it.
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Here's a little something to refresh your memory vanilla friends.

>Hey I see you're leveling a paladin. That's nice, here's ONE damaging spell for the next 30 levels.
>You want to tank/dps with your paladin? Not in our raids.
>Leveling a warrior? Be careful to not pull two mobs.
>You're a bear or prot pally and want to tank? Get bent.
>Want to be a high-ranked pvp-er? Say good bye to friends, family, sunlight, showers and sleep. Say hello to the pizza delivery guy.
This is just the things that came to my mind as i was typing this, there might be more bullshit that i can't remember.
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>>324022484
Not disagreeing but they're but undoubtedly raid tiers, as is Highmaul
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>>324022683
People dont call Highmaul a raid tier because it doesnt come with a tierset.

Like its part of the Blackrock Foundry tier.

If they actually did make bosses drop unique tiersets and they labeled it as one people wouldnt be as mad I bet.
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>>324022770
BRF has higher ilevel though. Sunwell is considered to be a higher tier than BT/Hyjal despite the fact that it didn't get its own set
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>>324019525
>we'll never be able to chillax in the archerus with necromancers as healers and ignore the living
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>>324014131
>Remember trying to get to the daily quest givers in Shattrath City when WoW had millions of American subscribers
*shudders*
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>>324022650
none of these are negative.
>Be careful to not pull two mobs.
Just shows how casualised you are
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>>324021035
You forgot
>A week after release all 5 mans are nerfed to shit
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>>324014131
op is a faggot
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>>324022650
You forgot
>Do you enjoy fly paths?
>Do you enjoy long-ass loadscreens?
>Do you enjoy grinding up to "second job tier?"?
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>>324023035
Ilevel doesnt matter. Tiersets are what set tiers apart.
Sunwell is T6 because it still offers some T6 pieces.

I mean come on. Blizzard themselves dont call it its own unique tier.
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>>324014131
Irrefutable tier list:

TBC > Vanilla > WotLK > MoP > Cataclysm > Horseshit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WoD
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>mfw some wrathbabby says Wotlk is the best expansion
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>>324023390
That's kind of misleading though, since Sunwell is much harder than BT or Hyjal and you needed mostly T6 gear to even put your foot in the door
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BC>Vanilla>Cata pre 4.1>WOTLK>Warlords>Cata post 4.1>pandaland
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>>324023760
Is the term "wrathbabby" even a thing anymore? I mean, if you started in WotLK, you started off pretty good as far as I'm concerned.

Fuck, at least you got to experience the old talent trees.
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>>324023414
>vanilla
>better than anything
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>>324018016

t. Alberto Barbosa
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>>324023961
vanilla was pretty goshdarn amazing, son

if you were a NEET anyway
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>>324023142
It's one thing to be casual and a entirely different thing to have two thirds of your class broken to the point where it's unplayable/useless.
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>>324023414
Might contest WotLK being as high as it is, what with the awful first raid tier (way too fucking easy) butchered heroics, introduction of so many dreadful new mechanics (gearscore, achievement linking, LFG, staggered released on raids, awful vehicle mechanics)

Wintergrasp was the only decent introduction and Ulduar was pretty great, but ICC ruined everything, what a pile of shit that raid was
>Hey let's make every other boss a total gearcheck that you cannot pass regardless of skill unless you farmed the previous shit for weeks and got the drops you need :^)
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>>324024524
WotLK was the last expansion the original devs worked on. Ulduar by itself justifies its position in that tier list.

Overcasualization, the start of overpandering and every raid/decision made after Ulduar keeps it behind Vanilla.

Also to note: the original team actually left after finishing Ulduar. It was their last work.
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>>324023414
Fuck this nigger, I didn't even bother finishing the ring
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>>324024817
>Ulduar by itself justifies its position in that tier list.
No.

WOTLK was generally a mighty shitshow.
Naxx was a weakass rehash, TOTC was terrible garbage, 5mans were babby mode, tons of content got scrapped, Deathknights were shit and broken.

I dont care about the old team when they released something as underwhelming as this.
One raid doesnt save it.
Not sure why "team A" fanboys exist.
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>>324023943
>if you started in WotLK, you started off pretty good as far as I'm concerned

Well as far as I'm concerned you're a faggot who is wrong.
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>>324018225
m.
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>>324024973
All of WotLK content was good, except Argent Tournament. Fuck Argent Tournament.

Even the heroics were good, it's just they were too easy and that left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
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>>324024817
original devs left after vanilla your retard and made guild wars 1.
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>>324025558
>All of WotLK content was good
BULLSHIT
All those questlines that lead into nothing.
All the empty promises.
The completely awful rehash naxx and the gimmicky Malygos faggotry.
All the vehicle shit.
Babby mode dungeons with especially awful ones like Violet Hold and the Culling of Stratholme.

Fuck WOTLK.
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>>324024973
(you)
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>>324025910
Why do you.
Make post.
Like this.
I don't understand.
Are you trying to write-
A poem?
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>>324025917
Yeah making an actual point would actually take effort.

>>324026116
Calm down sperg.
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>>324026173
Here's your goddamn reply

Are you fucking satisfied with your shitposting?
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>>324026309
>shitposters calling legit posters shitposters
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>>324014131
Wrath was a lot better than MoP. Better atmosphere, better zones, better community at the time which I know isn't something Blizz has control over, but still. Also, better armor sets, genuinely fun raids that never got old even after months of the same shit, WG, arenas were the most fun they ever were, no horrible Cata/MOP BGs and just so much more. I also miss how healing and tanking used to work and how each class was a lot more unique than they were in MoP, also fuck holy power
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>>324027140
>Cata/MoP BGs horrible
>but Strands of the Ancients and Isle of Conquest are totally fine
>Naxx and TOTC didnt get boring
Fucking nostalgianiggers
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>>324014131
MoP was boring as fuck, the only challenging was raids, same thing goes for WoD
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Hey kids, are there any private servers with actually good scripting? I know Atlantiss works well, but I would rather not play Cata. Also no Warmane, I don't have the patience for fake que time nonsense on top of barely working shit.
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>>324028437
I doubt that anything but vanilla has semi decent scripts.
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>>324027140
You're objectively wrong. Healing was piss easy in Wotlk, starting with Naxx 25 gear you literally couldn't run out of mana. And tanking was already ruined, the threat system was a joke
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>>324028637
>mfw paladin tanks could macro their whole tank rotation into two buttons
TOP TIER GAMEPLAY
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>>324029183
You forgot retritards
>Macro it all into one button, another for procs and CDs
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>>324028437
Well, depends on what you consider "good". Because Cataclysm emulation is less advanced than other expansions, if you look at the issue in terms of completable content rather than how good the server is compared to publicly available open source version of the emulation software, it's not at all difficult to find servers "better" than Atlantiss (although their devs clearly have put much more effort into the project than most other servers).

In this sense, all vanilla servers would be "good" because 95%+ quests are completable in stock emulation and a lot of bosses simply use their abilities (which work in stock emulation) on a timer without any actual scripting going into the fights. But if you start paying attention to detail, some are less bad than others (Valkyrie at least, allegedly Kronos, although Valkyrie is 100% Russian and dead, though, so not a realistic alternative). Nostalrius really isn't good the way I would view it, but most of the content "works" because it "works" by default so it still might be your most realistic option due to population.

Public tests have demonstrated that Corecraft is by far the most advanced private server of any expansion, but the release date is Soon(tm). Hellground is the least bad currently available server, but TBC emulation is generally speaking in a pretty mediocre state (but in relation to Cata emulation, it'd still be quite decent).

For WotLK, Gamer-District is currently the best server purely in terms of mechanics, but it has outrageous pay2win, outrageous rates and it's an ICC simulator. Despite having fallen behind recently, Theatre of Dreams probably still is #2 server and they're looking to relaunch on February (it'll likely be 90% Polish again, though, I don't know if that's a dealbreaker for you).
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