Is League P2W?

Neither of the shitty moba games are P2W.
How about naming an actual P2W game? I want to play the most P2W game there is.

>>324005825
League of Legends

>>324005739
not really, you can do good as any champ and by the time you hit lvl 30 you should have your rune pages filled out pretty easily
if you're really impatient you can unlock champs with money but that doesnt give you an advantage, same with buying rune pages since all you really need is an ad page and an ap page
and obviously skins make no difference on gameplay whatsoever

>>324005863
mobas are boring games

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>>324005898
>it's not p2w, it's pay to not grind

>>324006102
how is it grinding if you are literally just playing the game?
i mean there are methods to grind (completing bot matches as quick as possible over and over) if you really want to but you don't have to by any means

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>>324005739
Just "main" a hero anon :^)

>>324006198
Typically, how many hours of gameplay does it take to unlock a single character?

>Two games that are literally the exact same
>One gives you all gameplay content for free, the other makes you pay

The only reason anyone even plays LoL over Dota is because they've sunk a shitload of time/money into it and they don't want to lose their investment

>>324006362
i dunno, at 30~ mins a game the ip just kinda adds up if you play a bunch
also it depends on the champ, the older they are the cheaper they are, and the cheapest ones should only take a couple games
the new ones are expensive as fuck and take a while though

>>324006362
How's that related? You're matchmade in to games with similarly leveled opponents and everyone spawns with no advantages (besides runes and masteries but let's not get in to that)

I don't care if I own five champs or all of them, you only need one to have an equal chance of winning to others.

>>324006449
ive spent like 5 bucks on lol for some skins and tried getting into dota but just couldnt, the gameplay mechanics seem a lot cool but also way more complicated and I just dont feel like putting in the time to learn another assfaggot

>playing assfaggots

>>324006497
Aren't the new ones generally broken when they are first released, and then nerfed afterward?

>>324005739
When the fuck are we getting Pit Lord

>>324006671
yeah, rito are kinda cocksuckers about that and probably just want people to spend rp on them so they an do good for like a week before they get nerfed. they even jacked up the prices on champs right when they are released for a week too

>>324006767
>>324006671
forgot to mention that new champs are almost always banned in ranked/draft pick because of that reason so even if you shell out for them you can only play them in blind pick unless somebody else picks them first

>>324006835
They're banned because people try to play them without having any fucking idea how and play horribly losing the entire game

Do dotards ever tire of spreading lies about league to fuel their autistic 1-sided rivalry?

>>324006449
Or because Dota looks like ass and has an even worse fanbase than LoL's (which is pretty damn hard)

>>324005898
>you can unlock champs with money but that doesnt give you an advantage

except when one of them is on his release week and is OP as fuck

>make a new account
>level it to 30
>on the way to 30 I get enough IP for a full runes for an AD and AP rune page
>I get enough IP for 6 champs that I mainly play
>play these 6 champs all the way to diamond
>win without paying or grinding

explain this retards

A good player will reach high ranks without spending a cent

A shit player will lose no matter how much money they sink into it.

Dotards will shitpost forever because they can't get over people liking what they like

>>324007039
spotted the lolbab

League is worse, I came to Dota from League.

>>324007047
If you think its advantageous to throw money at riot for a character that will be hotfixed in a few days then go ahead anon.

>>324005825
>How about naming an actual P2W game?
Granado Espada aka Sword of The New World.

That's real P2W right there.

>>324006671
Bard, Tahm, Lucian, Gnar, Azir, Vel'Koz, Yasuo and Aatrox were all considered weak on release. In the case of Tahm, Gnar, and Yasuo they all received massive buffs after their perceived weakness and proceeded to become cancer picks.

Lucian has generally fluctuated from being mediocre to being very strong depending on the current adc itemization and how strong other adcs are.

>>324006671
>>324006835
>>324006767

the latest champion released on live servers, Illaoi, is hot garbage. there's not really a malicious intent behind new champions being unbalanced, it's just riot being shit at balancing until their players tell them what to do by complaining.

>>324007174
this
i got into diamond in no time by only playing poppy singed and ezreal
meanwhile some people have all the champions and are still stuck in silver

>>324005739
you don't win by paying
it's pay2compete
free2suck

>>324005739
It's pay2grindless which is a form of p2w, but it's not as impactful

>>324007304
Illaoi isn't bad she's just a pubstomper like pre-Juggercancer Darius or Heimerdinger. If she can control an area she can shit out damage but she's ridiculously slow

>>324006349
I'm willing to bet you have a hero that you consistently perform better as than any other hero.

That's your main.

>>324007304
Riot employees have stated that a champion being overpowered on release is better for them and for players than a champ being underpowered.

Champ is strong, people like champ, people buy champ.

>>324007432

I agree with you on the pubstomper part. But if you understand what she does she's so useless, shit mobility, shit CC, and situational damage.

>>324005898
>Having a larger roster of characters to choose from doesn't give you an advantage

Or are you saying that champions in LoL are so homogenized that having one champion of a given archetype is enough?

>>324007453
Riot isn't competent enough to release an intentionally powerful champ without ridiculous numbers.

It's like that old saying, you shouldn't attribute to malice what could easily be attributed to stupidity

>>324007563
having all the champions in the game doesnt make a difference if you dont know how to play most of them. buying them one at a time gives you time to learn their mechanics and abilities

>>324006671

Most of the new releases are either underpowered or misunderstood, usually because of build setups.

I don't think there has been a flatout broken character since Yorick or Draven.

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>>324007420

>>324007446
I just checked my dotabuff, my most played hero ever (Mirana) I've only played in 4% of my matches anon. My win rate with her scraps my top 20 funnily enough

>>324007603
I think the way they do things is more like, if the champ is too strong release them and tone them down later, if the champ is too weak buff them massively first.

They definitely can't balance their champs well, but they're intentionally going for one end of the spectrum over the other.

Runes give you direct stat boosts. You can buy these direct stat boosts with real money. How is it even a discussion whether or not LoL is pay to win?

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>>324007756
>you can buy runes with money

>>324007661
>Buying them one at a time gives you time to learn their mechanics and abilities

What on earth are you on about? You could just not switch champions like a spastic if they were all free and achieve the exact same effect.

That is not an argument in favor of placing champions behind a paywall.

>>324007756
Because you don't have to pay real money for them.

EVERYONE has these. Real money doesn't make them stronger.

>>324007835
>buy an IP booster with real money

>>324007697
so what exactly is b2p p2w, f2p p2w,

and ftp pay2grindless?

>>324007725
Main doesn't necessarily mean go-to hero, but the hero you do the best with whenever you do choose to pick them.

>>324007845
You spend real money on an IP booster. This gives you more IP, thus more runes, thus a stat advantage, over someone who didn't spend any real money.

>>324005825
Path of Exile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w19sqGjmNlY

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>>324007859
>anyone ever buying IP boosts

>>324007859
I feel like we just cycle through the same posts each thread. Runes are cheap as fuck, you considering you unlock one slot per level, you can easily afford them immediately just by playing the game normally.

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>>324005739

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>>324007912
Anon, I random every game. I rarely pick a hero and only if the team's got no carry or support.

>>324007902
buytoplay
paytowin
freetoplay

>>324007937
No it doesn't because not everyone you're going to play against has the exact same amount of ip earned as you.

Assumed your retarded logic did make any fucking sense, your in game advantage would raise your MMR and have you playing against better players so you're still going to be at a reasonable level compared to others in your game.

>>324007945
>>324007968


>>324007937

>>324007756
Except you can't buy them with money retard.

Yes. Only furfag whales enjoy it.

>>324005825
Travian

>>324008032

see >>324007937


>>324008026
that still equates to paying money = being a higher rank

>>324008000
>someome actually saved the graph I made
Good, now I can delete the cheap imitation I made since I lost that one to formatting

>>324007275
Nigga Lucian, Gnar and Azir were all absurdly broken. Stop trying to justify Riot's awful balancing.

>>324008116
It does not equate to that because I'm not talking about rank, I'm talking about hidden MMR rating. Rank isn't even part of this because you WILL have filled rune pages by the time you can even access ranked queues regardless of IP boost bonuses. Like everyone else.

>>324008176
>he doesn't remember release Lucian being considered a trollpick
>he doesn't remember how Gnar received massive buffs
>he doesn't remember Azir too buggy to do anything

>>324008176
Gnar was considered weak until people realised far better ways to build him.

Azir was supposed to be crazy strong in exchange for being hard. Which is fucking stupid on Riot's part, but him being broken was more or less planned as long as you're good with him.

Its only p2w if a player who pays real money can achieve higher stats or gets any advantage over a player who plays the game.
League doesn't provide any advantage to players who pay money at level 30 because you will have unlocked every runes by then. Playing a 6300 champion won't make you better as the game is balanced so a 450 ip champion will perform just as good.
This means league isn't pay to win by definition.

>>324007937

Depends if you're winning or losing. If you can't win a game, you're getting shit in return.

>>324008205
The higher the hidden MMR, the more skilled people you play with. How are you so delusional you seriously believe this isn't paying to win?

>>324008376
Because you aren't winning, you're playing against better people? Those are not one and the same anon. If anything you're going to lose more often.

>>324008317
>implying anything you say will change these faggots' minds

>>324008376
you can't buy mmr for real money you dumbass nigga

>>324008317
Having more champs to choose from means that you can more options, which means that you can pick the option that fits the game- your team setup, their team setup, your or their gameplan, the meta, or your playstyle- the best

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>>324008317
>as the game is balanced

>>324008368
If 2 players have the exact same amount of skill and are playing the same champ, the one who spent real money will have an advantage over the other

Not really. You can play for free and be on perfectly even ground with other players unless you come upon a situation where your low champ pool limits you, but that comes pregame and you can just play team builder

But dota will always be objectively better in the not pay2win sense if that's what you are trying to say

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>>324008460
>i can't read the thread

>>324008519
Are you this retarded?!

>>324008481
>>324008504
laugh all you want faggots but im buying boosting selling accounts and can get them to diamond just by playing 2 champions
cry me more about league being p2w

There isnt a single MOBA that isnt p2w apart from DotA. SMITE is, LoL is, Paragon will most likely be and so on. It simply is accepted among the players, I personally dont see whats bad about it.

The only problem is the fact that people keep acting as if their games werent p2w. They are like MMO and TCG players by now. If theres gear being sold in an MMO people will still claim for it to not be p2w as long as you can farm the gear ingame. TCG players arent capable of admitting that their entire genre relies on p2w practices. People simply are too proud to admit that they might enjoy a p2w title so instead of accepting that they do, the fucking claim that their games arent.

Just accept that the game you play sells ingame advantages for real money. After doing so you can say 'however, their impact is incredibly limited' (like it is in LoL) and there you go. No one can say that youre wrong but at least youre being honest for once in your pathetic fucking life.

>>324008504
>If 2 players have the exact same amount of skill and are playing the same champ, the one who spent real money will have an advantage over the other
Not in a game with eight other people in it.

You're theorycrafting based on perfect conditions that rarely exist.

>>324008689
>. It simply is accepted among the players, I personally dont see whats bad about it.
Doto and HoN show that it isn't necessary to have such a system to sustain yourself
Thus you're getting shafted for no benefit

>>324008560
He's right. Advantages or no, you're playing only against people you're capable of beating roughly 50% of the time, and any thought of advantages you can get by ip boosts are out the window by the time you're level 30. These advantages count for nothing when it comes to rank or playing at a reasonable level.

>>324007221
you're paying money for power, even for a limited time. It's a bullshit system that shouldn't be defended.

>>324008650
Everything he said is reasonable?

>>324007661
I can play every dota 2 hero because I wanted to know how. I didn't need any incentive other than "I should be prepared in case I need to play this hero".

>>324008728
>Doto and HoN show that it isn't necessary to have such a system to sustain yourself
Now lets compare the profit margins for Dota, HoN and LoL and I am pretty sure that we will come to the conclusion that it is indeed necessary in the eyes of a company. Hell, the only reason Valve was financially able to take that risk was because they make money off of Steam.

Riot didnt have that option and cant just change the system now. What the fuck would their players think? They burned hundreds of dollars for champions and all of a sudden they are free? NO way in hell they would accept that. I mean, I dont play LoL but farming all characters with a fresh account probably takes you like 5000 hours now.

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>>324006671
Quinn and Vel'koz were fairly balanced or slighty weak on relase and they took long or never got actual buffs. Vel'koz kinda found his way in some guys but wuinn is udnerpicked as fuck even after rework. Riot doesn't want that to happen again so they just make champ at least slighty stronger than balanced so they get popularity and then get nerfed.

Can't say I approve this but I understand the idea.

>>324007039
>Dota's HUD is unnecessarily huge and the game would be improved if you could scale it
a valid complaint
>Dota looks like ass (compared to league)
L M A O

>>324008879
and then your pathetic ass cries about cyka blat picking a hero he never played before :^)

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Just main one hero and abandon the game if the enemy team bans that hero.

Works in dota. I'm sure it will work in league.

>>324008958
no, if someone tells me they can't play a hero but I can, I can swap heroes. Or I could instruct him on what to do with the in game voice chat. But nice try faggot.

>>324008963
dota only has bans in autism captain mode. phony detected
BING BING BING WHEE WHOO WHEE WHOO ZIP ZIP ZIP ZIP ZIP

>>324009048
>implying you can be reasonable with your russian friends
dotords are so delusional

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>>324009086
>>324009086
>BING BING BING WHEE WHOO WHEE WHOO ZIP ZIP ZIP ZIP ZIP

Boom, bam, bop, boddy bop boom, pow

>>324009093
depends, but the situations where you can't, and specifically the situation you described is fairly rare. The first dota 2 game I ever played I sucked ass but one nice brit/american and a cool russian encouraged me to keep getting better and helped me learn the ropes.

>>324006198
it's grind because imbecile points you get are based on outcome of the match and time spent. Retard on your team will get as much as you.

>>324005739
Never played LoL, but aren't the heroes in that game more generic and not as specialized and unique as in dota?

>>324008317
>450 ip champion will perform just as good
>implying lee sin and yasuo dont outperform their roles
silver scrub detected
stay in league kiddy

>>324008317

>Its only p2w if a player who pays real money can achieve higher stats or gets any advantage over a player who plays the game.

I bet you think it'd still not be p2w if

>First win bonuses removed, you only get 1 IP for winning
>The only way to get proper rune pages in a reasonable amount of time is to buy IP boosts.

It's not p2w because an F2P player have access to the same resources as a paying player after thousands of hours of game time.

>>324008008
>>324007420
i see you updated your chart

>>324009926
The second one posted in this thread was actually the first one I've made, I just lost it to formatting because I'm dumb

>>324009809
So it would still be P2W if you got 1000 IP per game and an IP boost only gave you 1 extra IP per game?

you have to buy runes with IP, the same currency used to buy heroes. so if you want heroes and also want to be on equal footing with everyone else, you need to buy them with real money. being able to play more heroes means being more versatile means being better. that's p2w

its pay2gay

>>324010167
Technically, sure
Of course it wouldn't be any impactful

>>324005825
any phonegame

>>324008689
Smite offers you everything (current and upcoming) in a single 30 dollar payment, though. That's much more fair than LoL's jewish practices.

>>324010760
Fair or not, thats irrelevant to the point.

>>324005739
Yes it's P2W.
Those rune things make it P2W until you can actually farm them if you don't want to pay.

I was a noob starting out the game and some guy had bought Darius. During the time I played LoL Darius was considered broken and was worth 7k points. Now, I could either spend money on a P2W hero or grind my way through it.

Yes P2W.

>>324007665
except yorick was broken in being massively retardedly weak. Only after getting insane buffs he became OP

>>324007665
Yorick was hot garbage on release on top of being horribly bugged. Then he got buffed into a monster.

Of course it's pay 2 win.

At least 90% of the new champs are better than the Vanilla ones.

Also, the game is extremely skewed towards champs that have CC, which essentially means that a champ that doesn't have CC is almost invariably shit.

>>324011095
Can't buy runes with money. Try again.

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>>324011323
>Also, the game is extremely skewed towards champs that have CC
But lets not forget another one of rito's gold nuggets of balance
>flash counters flash

>>324011397
Can't you buy Riot points and then spend it on runes ?
I'm pretty sure you could do that a couple years ago.

Also,
>buy Riot point
>buy IP boost
>buy runes.

>>324005825
HearthStones
Hearthfag seems to delusionally believe otherwise for some reason
>lol paying to get instantly what you otherwise have to grind for weeks isn't p2w

>>324012016
You could never do that.

>>324005739

Shouldn't ASSFAGGOT games go to /vg/? why the sudden /v/ infestation?

league is weird
why should i buy syndra and fuck around with her balls when i can play as annie and do same damage with one fucking aoe spell?

>>324013046

There used to be a time when every hero in League had a place. but then e-sports needed to be the hot new thing so Riot had to balance but they don't know how to balance so they said "Fuck it" and changed all the old heroes to have the same skills as the new ones do but with different paint

so now you have league of why the fuck am I even playing this?

>>324007117
>spend thousands of hours playing the same handful of champs because of paywall

wow sounds like fun

>>324013145

oh and let's not forget masteries

>League of Thunderlord's Decree

Fucking Riot Game...

>>324013203
masteries are the most retarded system in this game
everyone have the same shit, so why this is even a thing

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>played League Of Legends on and off for about five years
>downloaded and started playing it this week after more than a year of not playing it
>thisissuperfun.jpg

I don't know why people hate MOBAs that much. They are fun as fuck.

>inb4 toxic community
No.
>inb4 no skill involved
No.
>inb4 pay2win
No.

It's pay2notgrind. As others already said in this thread you can't gain any gameplay advantages by paying real money.

Anyone who says it's P2W doesn't know how LoL works or doesn't know what P2W actually is. It would only be P2W if you could buy champions or runes others can't get through playing the game without paying anything.

>>324013713
saying no doesnt make any of those things not true

the community is full of whiny 13 year olds. this is not fun

>>324013862
the community have some superiority complexes
i saw people who say something like "he is platinum 2, its already GG" then proceeding to feed and lick anus of plat faggot.

>>324006102
This is accurate.

>>324013991
>you picked (unpopular champ) ???? ffs troll
>TOP LANE, I SAID IT FIRST
>you picked (champ that doesnt usually go in this specific position) to play jungle??? ffs report this troll
>other team gets first blood early on, "gg report my team" "surrender at 20"

anything that deviates from the norm slightly gets shot down. you cant even antagonize the enemy team without getting banned

>>324013862
Few years ago when I played it, it was really annoying and I'd get mad every second match I'd play. Now I simply stopped arguing with people and if someone starts talking shit I just simply ignore them and 3 minutes later they stop whining and crying. I only play ranked and I'm only Silver division and out of at least 25 matches I played this week maybe in 1 there was dude who was afk and in 1 there was some annoying faggot that was whining constantly and 5 minutes later I get notification that he got banned or something. Other 23 matches were really fun. Point of this games is to stop trying too hard and taking videogame as your job and simply enjoy it as you would enjoy any other multiplayer game or even singleplayer game . That way even if your team is badly losing you will still be chilled and have a good time.

tl;dr game is fun as long as you don't take it too seriously

>>324014303

This what I hate most about LoL. It has to be one of the most 'serious' games you can play. It's obviously just a symptom of being locked into a game for 30+ minutes, however that does excuse the amount of no fun allowed.

>>324007039
Dota does indeed look like garbage. Thought I was playing cod the first time I fired it up with its brown on brown color scheme, 600*480 HUD and colored blobs for champs. I kept wanting to scroll out.

The mechanics of dota obviously are interesting and there is more than lol but some of the complexity is just for its own sake and isn't needed.

>>324014613
>complexity is just for its own sake and isn't needed.

like what?

and i dont see how the color scheme is dull. yes the dire side of the map is dark, its supposed to be a contrast to the radiant side. it blows league out of the water graphically, and it doesnt even have amazing graphics

>>324006362

Average about 90 a match plus 150 for first win of the day. So if you play two and a half hours a day, you can expect it to take roughly two weeks to unlock a 6800 ip champ. New rune sets cost about as much as a champ, but you only need so many. On the other hand IIRC, you can only buy extra rune pages with real money which is bullshit.

Before I quit, I had played approximately 1000 games and had 30-40 champs to show for it without paying money (I doled out for a couple of skins and the aforementioned rune pages, but I never recall paying for a champ). I doubt I spent more than 20 bucks on it over the three years I played, and that was fine.

>>324015502
>two weeks to unlock a 6800 ip champ

so is that one week for a regular champ?

and theres how many, 100?

>lolbabbies will defend this

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>>324015704
>lolbabbies will defend this
>implying there is anything that needs to be defended

>>324015502
>6800
6300 m8

>>324014613

>complexity is just for its own sake and isn't needed.

Having many exceptations between item and spell interaction is a literally a feature though, it's what makes dota 2 worthy successor to the original. Remove those and the game would become a lot worse.

>>324015704
anon I have news for you
there are people that play legaue exactly for that reason

>>324009258
BOO BOO BOO BOO DONG DONG DONG DONG REEE REEE REEE REEE BZZZT BZZZT BZZZT CAWWW CAWWW

>>324006362
much less than learning how to play it, you need to grind your skill and that takes much time than buying chars

>>324005739
Is playing Sven as a support a supreme meme or can he be something other than a core?

>you can get everything by grinding
>you can pass the ocean by swimming

>>324015704

Give or take. If I'm remembering right, the tiers are 450 ip, 1150 ip, 1650 ip, 3150 ip, 4800 ip, 6300 ip, and at around the time I quit, they started setting a higher price on newly released champs for the first week or two they were out before being set at 6300. The ip pricing has more to do with the age than power (though Riot can't into balance so there are always a million OP fotm pieces of shit in 6300s).

All that said, the rate of unlocks was never a large turnoff for me, since I usually got at least as many hours out of the champs I unlocked as it took for me to earn the IP for them.

>>324016025

Yeah, I'm just going off my shitty memory. I stopped playing regularly around Jinx and haven't so much as looked at the game since Tahm Kench.

>>324016336
he have stun
armor and movement speed boost
and with scepter his damage boost from ult is for all teammates

>>324016336
sven support would only work in an agressive manner

>>324005825
Vindictus?

>>324005739
The rate they pump out champions, all for 6k+ IP to buy probably makes it rather difficult for someone to ever get a full collection. Doesn't sounds entirely pay to win but how fucking long would it take to unlock everything without spending money?

>>324008053
holy shit I haven't played that in so long. I used to play that and some other browser "online" thing where you made a deck of cards or something, but I can never remember the name of it. I think it started with an E.

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>>324007117
The sad part is that I genuinely think he seriously doesnt see anything wrong with that.

People that whine over having to pay for champions are people who never played LoL or played 1-3 games only.
People who play LoL know that having to pay for champions is no big deal nor something bad.

>>324014496

It's taken itself too seriously, maybe because of the tournaments having millions of viewers, when in reality the entire community could be summed up as a chubby 13 year old with anger issues that gets pullied every day but has no balls to stand up so he just acts tough in game chat.

>>324005739
League doesn't have any true counters like DotA 2 has. Sure, you might face a enemy with a skill that can negate yours, but you can always work around it if you play smart. Not like in DotA where you have no counterplay.

>>324016724
of course they dont. ever heard of stockholm syndrome

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The IP, runes, experience, and champion buying system exists solely to nickle-and-dime you, the consumer, and encourage you to purchase things using real money in this free video game to gain a tangible gameplay-affecting bonus. This is absolutely inarguable, as none of those systems have any reason to exist otherwise.
Whether this is pay2win or not is irrelevant, the important thing is do you consider it healthy for a game to do this? Is it good for video games to try to squeeze money out of you based on your desire to progress faster and unlock alternate playing styles?

>b-but muh progression
you can progress by getting good you huge sperglords, there's literally no excuse for having to unlock heroes in a competitive game

>>324016824

sounds like you need to git gud

>>324016992
And also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpnxd31y0Fo

>>324016992

I know I'm flying off the handle here, but I think a company should be allowed to monetize its game.

>>324017235
they already make shitloads of dosh on skins

>>324017096
You're right, I realized I forgot about the aspect of encouraging you to keep playing with the transparent Korea-approved method of GRINDING as soon as I hit Post. The goal is the same in the end, though. They want your $$$

>>324013713
People hate them because idiots who find them fun are usually complete asshats and refuse to acknowledge the many legitimate complaints about the game. Like I play HotS because its mindless fun but I know how oversimplified it is and how shit its business practice is.

>>324005739
Can you in any way transfer money in game to the developers/publishers/owners after the initial obtaining of the game for anything other than expansions that segment the community based on who owns what?

If yes the game is the plague and needs to be avoided at all costs.

>>324017235
Is it okay for them to monetize it in a way that damages the end-product?
I think we might have a fundamental difference here.

>>324016992
If the game is f2p than theres nothing wrong with it.
Especially since its not as if certain champions are locked behind a paywall.

If they had 2 party ip weekends each month it'd work out just fine.

>is league p2w?
yes it is.

>b-but you can get everything by grinding
paying money gets you there faster. p2w.

>b-but you dont need all champions
more options is always better than less options. p2w.

>b-but riot needs to live and make money too!
at this point you've already accepted that it is in fact p2w and are now looking to justify and excuse p2w. cuck.

>>324017808
autism the post

>>324005739
League might be if there was any kind of strategic depth to picks. You just read the latest patch notes, see who has the best scaling ratios, and pick them. Tanky deeps top, AP carry mid, AD carry and support bottom, and a jungler. It's an insult to the concept of strategy.

>>324005739

No because you can just grind out all the rest of the champions :^)

>>324017573

It's alright for them to do whatever they want to their product, but that's beside the point. What people really mean by 'damaging the end-product' is 'business model that includes me.' What you want is to enjoy a game paid for by other people through shit you don't care about.

>>324018207
The game is better than Dota because the grind gives you something to do :^)

>>324018317
oh snap

>>324018402
I've heard people unironically say that in real life.

>>324005739
Riki would be a good pick up against Meepo :^)

>>324018529
sorry, i do that

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LEAGUE OF LEGENDS IS P2W YOU FUCKING MUPPETS

If I go up against a well synergized team and me and my 4 other poorfags can only pick from the current pool and the current pool only has gimped easily counterable champions then we fucking lost because of this shitstain of business model

>But you can still win with the heroes you've got
It doesn't matter, I was restricted because I didn't have cash and it would have been objectively better if I had had more options

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>>324005739


IIT : P2W peasant apologists.

>>324013726
"hey bro, you and me will on equal foot after you grind for runes for 30 hours. its totally fair."