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>this track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkHmZ0tKKww

It's just forgettable & the XCX OST is full of these kind of tracks. He relies on a big bombastic sound because the actual compositions themselves are weak as shit. It's basically Japanese Hans-Zimmer. All the song does is hit into some big bombastic mess of notes over some standard power chords, then just slaps over it a disgusting tin-sounding snare drum to create a generic groove. Even when the bombast lets up at 1:40, it doesn't go into anything interesting; just another weak melody played on the continuing violin over the same generic 4/4 groove where it's just someone hitting that same ugly-sounding snare. It's lazy. Then at 2:29, it does the same thing again, more melodramatic bombast; the same groove; the same god-awful snare drum. The track doesn't go anywhere musically; it doesn't turn any corners. It's just constantly beating you over the head with bombastic melodrama. I really hope Takahashi does away with Sawano for the next game. I'm not gonna lie, there's some tracks I really do like but the majority of it is tacky, cheesy, unsophisticated trash.

Compare it to this track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi0M9SIaLb4

The piano intro is so memorable. Then at 0:25, the snare changes into the rim hit of the snare, demonstrating that there is actual dynamics going on in the music, unlike Sawano's bombastic-turn-everything-up-to-11 style. Throughout the song, even when it goes into different parts, there's a constant theme running through it. Sawano is just bombastic melodrama, that's it. It's the same throughout the whole track. It's the same on this track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fi4_DoVwto

The same groove, the same bombastic big sound, the same god-awful snare, melodies lifted straight out of a Linkin' Park/Evanescence album. The tracks sound like a 12 year old just got bought his first keyboard & drum set. Please kill me.
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>Ctrl-F: bombast
>8 matches
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>>324004009

>Clueless about music: The OP

I'm glad to hear you're not enjoying it, that's what you deserve for being so stupid.
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>>324004009
This is for the listeners. Thanks, Sony!
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>>324004009
It really irritates me how every field and battle theme has a noticeable start and stop. Those songs should loop seamlessly. Its also really fucking annoying how you can't hear the characters talking over the damn lyrics in cutscenes. Not to mention that most of the lyrics are just stupid in general
>HELLO
>IS THIS THING ON
>I NEED A BIGGER GUN
And then there's the NLA music of course, both themes are absolute garbage. And Uncontrollable isnt even about fighting, its about a couple making up after an argument. Why the fuck would he use those lyrics for the Tyrant song? As retarded as Black Tar is, at least its somewhat about fighting.
I'm not sure what music plays during the Yggralith Zero fight but its probably the worst lyrical track I've heard in any video game.
Sawano doesn't have a clue how to write video game music and I agree he doesn't need to come back for the next Xenoblade game.
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>>324005035
While I haven't even played Xenoblade Chronicles X, I agree with OP about Sawano.
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>>324005275
If they bring back Mitsuda I can agree with retards like you
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>>324005378
How am I retarded? Fuck you.
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>>324004009
Let us know when you get paid to make music OP or when you can play an instrument.

In the mean time kill yourself.
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>OP's first time hearing a Hiroyuki Sawano OST

I liked XBC's OST a lot but I really prefer XBCX's overall. There's so many good tracks

The only stupid part of Sawano is how he fucking gives stupid shitty names to all the songs
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>>324005507
so he's got to become a recognized composer for a variety of productions before he's allowed to talk about music?
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>Ganglion battle theme
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OP sucks nigger dicks
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>>324005275
>Why the fuck would he use those lyrics for the Tyrant song? As retarded as Black Tar is, at least its somewhat about fighting.

Whenever it goes into "When I ask the smallest things, you get mad" part I fucking cringe. The vocal & those lyrics made me want to stab myself. It's excruciatingly painful in a "I fucking hate this part" way.
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>>324005275
>>324005690
I'm really glad that I don't pay enough attention to the music to understand the lyrics now.
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>>324004009
I like sawano's music in X but the total lack of leifmotifs just leaves me a bad taste in my mouth
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I'm not sure what you were expecting after he did the Unicorn and Aldnoah Zero OST
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>>324004009
I CAN'T HEAR YOU
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>>324005921
I swear I've heard that line in more than one of his songs.
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>dat music when I activate overdrive
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>>324005507
I play guitar & piano. Let us know when you stop having shit taste.

Oh, what's that I hear? 50% off Ill Nino & Papa Roach hoodies in the town shopping centre? Aw, anon. Your fave. Quick, anon, put on your pants & eyeliner before they sell out.

And yes, don't worry, they do XXL :^)
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Couple things I need help with /v/

1) How the fuck do I properly use this afterburner skill? It says boosts damage when in ranged combos, sometimes I hit for 500ish damage each and other times I hit for 2500 each shot. I can't figure it out pls help (level 7 astral crusader, level 26 overall)

2) Just hit level 7 Astral Crusader, starting to get a little bored of sniping everything. I'm level 6 blast fencer so I might just master that and galactic knight afterwards but hows samurai gunner/bastion warrior?
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>the nigger who wrote the rap tracks for XCX straight up says he didn't even try to make good songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0D7cNvUmTM
skip to 1:32
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Hanz zimmer is pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkM4u1LFOp4
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>>324005654
My fucking nigga. Best battle theme in the game.

Also post underated tracks. NO main field themes allowed, NO Don't Worry, NO Wir Fliegen, NO Uncontrollable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmdt5wU0F6g
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>>324006254
From the sounds of it, neither did Sawano.
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Sawanofags are the worst
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IN A SEA OF DARK MATTER
EVERY MINUTE MATTERS
LIVIN WHILE OTHER LIVES SHATTER
SEEING GHOSTS SCATTER
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>>324006254
Sawano is trash

Kill me
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>>324006468
Yep, sounds like he gave Sawano what he asked for.
All the more reason he doesn't need to come back
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>>324006369
The most popular tracks of the XCX OST are rhe worst songs imo, it's just everyone gravitates towards them the most because they're more instantly gratifying & the most poppy.
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>>324006369
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkHmZ0tKKww
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>>324006586
Kill yourself you lazy fuck.
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>>324005602
>I liked XBC's OST a lot but I really prefer XBCX's overall. There's so many good tracks

>There's so many good tracks
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>>324006697
Its probably because the worst ones are the ones that play the most often. Both Black Tar and both NLA themes are utter garbage
Uncontrollable is pretty shitty as well
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>>324006734
generic as fuck bombastic melodrama. aesthetically sounds so bad.
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8-4 needs to stay the fuck away from Xenoblade 3.

Censorship and dub only, what were they thinking?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-ZWPt9Ht44

One of the only tracks I really enjoy in the game, maybe it's because I'm a sucker for Sawano's vocal team.
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>>324006829
shit taste desu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IoSv1QI5o
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>>324007017
Stop posting trash
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>>324007017
Hate that song. Just reminds me of Lao's gay nu-metal beard.
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They need to bring back Shimomura, her music always delivers
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>>324007056
make me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSyqAsc3wFw
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>>324004009
>yfw didn't read
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im sorry guys no matter if every other track is excellent in the game or not

not having a volume slider is fucking unforgivable

but those 2 songs (especially day) in NLA being so criminally bad is plain torture and i have had to take a break from the game because I just can't play for extended periods of time if I have to listen to that shit
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>>324007017
>that Engrish

It sounds like shes singing while noodles are half hanging out of her mouth. So bad.
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>>324007183
Why didn't they just bring back Mitsuda?
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>>324004009
The word you are looking for is crescendo, not "bombastic"
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>>324006964
The game was huge, doubling the size of voice overs was obviously not an option
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>>324007247
yeah, can't believe all those lyrics senpai
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>>324007260
"Sawano's music is just crescendo melodrama"

Are you a retard?
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>>324007290
could've made it downloadable like they did with the Data packs
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What's his best anime soundtrack?
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>>324007290
But Anon, downloadable data packs were very clearly an option. File size has nothing to do with anything.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYrsFWOBsAQ
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Thank you sawano..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObrQAAsJ4vo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfuoUv5YMN0

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZxLijQvEa4

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8do8ab8wi5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Apdfz4HNrY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpZzMNz1BSk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi0M9SIaLb4
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>>324005602
The ost is worst than kill la kill OST. That's saying a lot m8.
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Sucks that Shimomura didn't come back to do a couple of tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anuAekXi13M
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on a whole different PLAAAAAAAAANET
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SAWANO JUST RELEASE AN UNRELEASED TRACK HE COMPOSED FOR XCX.WOW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YxaaGgTQYM
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>half of these posts are the same person
We get it, OP. You have an opinion.
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>>324007247
Nigga you might be suffering from schizophrenia, go see a doctor and ask about the voices in your head because you're scaring me.
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Reminder

Sawano is trash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUJK2TVk2zA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dy74NOzcS8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBgYfJ1iu-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUQiAv-tVKY
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>>324007514
OP the only one being bombastic in this thread is you.
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>>324005456
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I thought both were unique.

Music isn't just about what sounds good, it's about fitting the tone of the scene the director is making. XC and XCX are like Fire and Water. They're incredibly different, XC's OST wouldn't fit with XCX.

A lot of XCX's OST gives me a Metal Gear vibe.

>mfw listening to the XCX OST right now
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>>324007861
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>all these people talking about Mitsuda and Shimomura

They did, like, six tracks on XC. What made that soundtrack so good was that it had a diversity of composers working under the strict direction of someone who knew exactly what he wanted from every aspect of the game.

Sawano is just a hack who was given free reign to do whatever the fuck he wanted.

http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/xenoblade/0/0
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>>324007950
Maybe I'd like it better if I hadn't heard the same soundtrack in five different animes.
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>>324007993
>Sawano is just a hack who was given free reign to do whatever the fuck he wanted.
Pretty much. He was the one who suggested making a lot of tracks with vocals. Like, why?
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Everytime anon posts the smallest thing
OP gets mad
Or just shitpost
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>>324008063
I don't watch anime. Guess I'm not over-saturated.

Oh well.
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>>324007950
>Music isn't just about what sounds good, it's about fitting the tone of the scene the director is making.

...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk6itrDWqqY (Min. 34:20)
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Where are some easy enemies to kill leveled around 33? I need to level up some classes and can only find either 22's, 26's, or 38's that one shot me

I'm only level 28 so Skells aren't an option
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>>324008064
Who the fuck knows. Songs with vocals in video games can work well when there's just one or two lyrical songs that are memorable. Like Snake Eater for instance. When 75% of the soundtrack is full of dumb sounding engrish with subpar singers, it just gets annoying. On top of that, video game music shouldn't really have a noticeable stop and start point when it loops and thats hard to avoid with vocal tracks.
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I like the soundtrack of XCX even more than the soundtrack of XC.
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>one by oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone
holy fuck that song is so bad
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>>324007545
>>324008082
>>324008285
Samefag
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>>324008137
What am I missing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoGe9KCxmlc
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>>324008442
wrong
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>>324008137
That bombastic part at 13:13 just sounds so ridiculous. It's just so over the top.
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>>324008613
it's weird because when that part cues in, nothing really happens in the scene for it to really have any meaning. It almost feels like it's actually composed for a scene from something else entirely.
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>>324007449
I remember the XC OST sounding a hell of a lot more compressed in the actual game. Actual that's still the case with XCX, just not to the same extent. I wish we'd get some proper remasters in the future.
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>bombastic
>bombastic
>bombastic

Why are /a/utists so mentally stunted?
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>tfw he'll never make a better ost than his best work the gundam unicorn ost
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>>324007347
Kill la Kill
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>>324007950
i disagree. I love every single thing in this game except for the music to the point where i actually put in headphones if im not doing story missions and listen to some rock or DnB because it actually fits the epic battles.

Fuck the music in this game is so beyond terrible it ALMOST ruined a 9/10 game and turned it into a 8/10
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this guy is a fucking hack. i swear, i can't like any of his work. I've listened to aldnoah zero, kill la kill, nanatsu no taizai and xcx.

his music is so generic, robotic and emotionless, he seems to do everything on the computer which i despise.

definitely the worst composer i've seen
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I wouldn't say XBCX's music is horrible. It's serviceable enough, but for me, XBC just had a much more memorable score.

Colony 9 pops up in my head as soon as I think of the game. X doesn't have a particular tune or two that jumps out at me
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>>324005035
>>324005507

Not OP, but Sawano should hold off a bit. Between Aldnoha Zero, Shingeki no Kiojin and Xenoblade chronicles X, after doing more or less the same, his signature may getting old. He must take some time to renew his way of composing. I loved his shingeki no Kiojin soundtrack but I'm getting tired of his artistic lazyness.
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Basically Sawano is the nu-metal/scuzz/Kerrang composer of anime/video games. I also hate the production of his songs.

We need music like this back in Xeno. Sawano cant even touch shit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV-j7elCiE4
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>>324006367
He's either phenomenal or repetitive. Either Purates or NolanBats. There's like, no inbeteeen with that guy.
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>>324015062
and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rztj4vu_wA
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I agree with the Japanese Hans Zimmer line. A lot of his songs have very similar sounds and styles to them to the point that you could replace one with the other without much change.

Melancholia on the squad select screen sounds hilariously similar to Aliez from A/Z in structure and even vocals.

Just like some of Zimmer's songs sound like homages to his previous work. Cyclotone/Retreat & Reveille/Mombasa have always felt like riffs on the same theme.
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>>324013363
I would drink it
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However you feel about the soundtrack.

Can we all admit that the NLA tracks probably weren't the best choice possible considering how much you're going to be hearing them?
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THIS NEEDS TO BE A TOWN THEME IN THE NEXT XENOBLADE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNnjal6lPyE&index=14&list=PL05-k29z6Y9RKg58LJa2B0I-aqTc95IHT

DO YOU AGREE?
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THIS NEEDS TO BE IN THE NEXT XENOBLADE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW4-Pr-4VFk&index=21&list=PL05-k29z6Y9RKg58LJa2B0I-aqTc95IHT

DO YOU AGREE?
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>>324014537
His tracks for Aldnoah Zero were god-tier, especially the rearrange tracks lordy
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>>324004009
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I CAN'T HEAR YOU
I CAN'T SEE YOU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw49mOVybuE
I just want Mitsuda back
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Fucking stop saying bombast(ic)
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>>324016970
I was very disappointed with the ending theme.
Where was my sappy love song for me to memorize all the lyrics of?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIzmMizFVE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnWf3XyCSiw
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>>324017262
When I first heard Xenogears credits I was like what the fuck are these lyrics man.
But now it's closer to A MILLION SHADES OF LIGHT
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>>324017262
I just want cheesy ps1 music back in general
I fucking love Xenogears soundtrack
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>>324017336
I remember laughing my ass off when I first heard that ending theme, but now I sing along with it.

I think it's a good song, same with the Xenoblade one and I was kinda hoping for something similar out of this one.
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>>324013363
>epic
>rock or DnB

This is the problem with jrpg faglords. This game is about cheesy weeb animu glorfying murrika. The soundtrack fits perfectly.
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>>324004009
>hurr I have shit tastes
Stay the fuck away from good games.
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>>324004009
>XCX fan hate Sawano
>While having a WiiU
>While playing the censored version
>With awful meme dub

Wew lads
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>>324017751
It's honestly the same reaction I have with XCX.
After hearing the songs so many times I grew to love them and sing along every single time
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>Compare the song for a random boss with the song used in every single important emotional cutscene
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>>324014537
The Aldnoah tracks were literally the only good thing about that show. It alone made the first episode good, and the second one, and the third one.
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>>324004103
laughing way too hard at this
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>>324004009
I wish Shimomura, ACE+ and him would team up for Xenoblade 3. I absolutely loved everything they did so far and Sawano deserves way more respect for writing the entirety of X's OST.
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>>324020443
I wish they would pick someone to supervise sawano
I mean I love the dude but letting him do the OST without anyone telling him what works and doesn't probably led to the stupid ass lyrics during cutscenes
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The Nopon in X were such a big disappointment compared to the original

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w-TJX5KRMY
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>>324020769
Fucking pointless in both desu senpai
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>>324004009
>that feel when you lose complete interest in the game after you beat it because the post game is nothing but mmo-tier grinding
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>>324005275
>And then there's the NLA music of course, both themes are absolute garbage.
ONE
TWO
THREE
MEH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDL7jFibVvc
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>>324008063
Try not to watch trash anime then
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>>324021606
Nearly every anime Sawano composed is trash. His dorama soundtracks are even worse. This is not a compelling argument against his stale creativity
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>>324004009
>this track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkHmZ0tKKww [Embed]
This track is fantastic, your taste is shit.
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tl;dr of OPs post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K5Dm-o_MEs
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>>324004009
That's a bunch of useless words when you could just say the music is trash, which I'd agree.
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Black tar might not be the best music in XCX but it's way better and original than it's XC counterpart, which is literally a poor man's Kingdom Hearts music
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is this the pinnacle of music in video games?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_dsM-r__x8
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>>324007449
Beside those mmmh YEAH Yeah. In NLA night time, I really dig the song.
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>>324007662
Why is it wrong for me to like the Primordia song?
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man so many fucking white people with shitty as all fuck musical taste in this thread
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>>324026572
>non-white person trying to use white as an insult

ongo bongo ooga booga
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>sightseeing spots 1/2
Where the hell is second?
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>>324004009
Fuck you I loved the OST, its different from main line trash we constantly get.

Both Xenos have great music, fite me
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>>324026715
i'm asian fuckboy
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>>324026725
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>>324026858
chingu chongu suck my wongu
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>>324026725
Have you referenced this? http://imgur.com/a/n7zxi
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>>324004009
The only thing he should stay away from is vocalists.
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>complain about XCX's soundtrack being "generic bombastic"

hilarious, you can actually twist it and complain about XC's soundtrack being "generic JRPG"
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Sucks how I will never play this because no boob slider and censored clothing and dialog
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>>324026969
Thanks for the help, but it doesn't work.
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>>324016970
I fucking love this track. The part at 0:43 is too good.
Mitsuda is my favorite vidya composer for Chrono Cross alone.
But Chrono Trigger and Xenogears also have damn good soundtracks.

I really wish he'd compose for more games these days.
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>>324027338
Do you know which one you're missing?
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>>324027507
I have no idea. It must be somewhere around Dead Man's Gulch.
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So is this the XBX thread? I guess it was pointless to make one.
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>>324027648
Either one of these, I'm guessing:
http://xenoblade.wikia.com/wiki/Dead_Man's_Ingress
http://xenoblade.wikia.com/wiki/Millstone_Ridge

It's a pity the screenshots aren't more helpful.
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>there was a pizza promotion for XBX a few months ago

Holy fucking shit.
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>>324007342
>could've made it downloadable like they did with the Data packs

Maybe tricky rights issues with Japanese voice cast

That gets REALLY sticky in video games; some are successful while some are not
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>>324028128
Fucking Ma'non

Also Hideo goes up to Commander Vandham on a regular basis to do push-ups in front of him to remind Vandham that only Hideo has the endurance for the long-hall
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>>324028360
I remember people saying here about Ma-non being shitheads about that grenade pizza quest.

But if you actually probe a lot, it's the Army Pizza's fault.
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>>324004009
Agreed OP, the OST on XCX is shit. The first Xenoblade had a great OST, so many comfy songs.

Hell I'm an oldfag though. I keep hopping Yasunori Mitsuda will be composing every Xeno game when when I hear them get announced.
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>>324028571
Mitsuda's music in XC are shit though, the good ones were the ones done by ACE+

I mean, are you seriously telling me that the poor man Kingdom Hearts music is good? Fuck that, even Black tar had a memorable intro-riff before the lyrics kicked in.
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>>324026725
>>324026886
>>324026973
>those graphics
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>Mitsuda will never work on a full size JRPG ever again

feels pretty darn awful
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>>324027446
Mitsuda is pretty fucking good
I hope he returns in some way soon
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>>324027446
Anon, you and I share similar tastes. Have you lidtened to the Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross arranged album that Mistuda and MillennialFair release about 4 months ago? Its be beautiful. Or how about bithe the arranged albums for Xenogears, Cried and Myth? Simply amazing.
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>this video contains content from Sony Music
>Sony
KEKED
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>>324029018
WE FUCKING DID IT

>mfw based Sony blocks nintenshit music and gets paid for it

bahaha
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I could possibly understand people being turned off by the rap in Black Tar and in NLA night, maybe even the lyrics in Uncontrollable since it's about a fucking couple arguing.

But you have unequivocally shit taste if you think the rest of the OST is bad, holy shit. Not only are the tracks themselves great but they fit the atmosphere of the places they're in almost perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n40Lxd53EcY
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>>324029006
I listened to some of the Trigger/Cross arranged album and thought it was alright, but a little disappointing compared to what I was hoping for. Still great though.

As for Xenogears, I haven't beaten the game yet, so I'm gonna wait on that.
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>>324029018
Sony music isn't the same thing as Playstation.
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>>324029135
>expecting reasoning to idiots
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>>324028707
Anon, you must be a pretty young kid to not know how a good of a composer Yasunori Mitsuda is.

Go play Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, and Xenogears. Then try to tell yourself that Mistuda isn't the best vidya composer ever.

Or are the type of kiddo you can't play games with "old" graphics?
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Sawano best work was on the Sengoku Basara anime.
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>>324029176
Anon, you should really listen to the whole CT/CC album. Some of the mid and later tracks are so beautifully done that they literally make me cry.

Also, yes, you need to beat Xenogears ASAP!
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>>324029298
>resorting to old shit

nigga CT is my first RPG

and how does your post even go against mine? saying his old work is great doesn't mean his work in XC is shit

with that said outside of Termina his CC town music are all crap
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>>324027959
It was in this place.
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Sawano is literally garbage >>324006254 >>324008137 >>324007662
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Didn't read the thread, just popping in to say that OP is faggot, goodbye.
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>>324029490
But his new work is amazing anon. Have you not listened to the CT/CC arranged album that came out a few months ago, or the 2nd arranged album for Xenogears, Myth, that came out last year?
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>>324029468
Yeah I'm listening to it again and I really like it.
Not a huge fan of the vocals, but Time's Scar was good. Also this Wind Scene is GOAT.
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>>324029609
Hi Sawano
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>>324029176

While Xenoegars is wholly his style and absolutely wondrous it's CT that hit's a perfect 100 out of 100. It's pure emotion with no fluff done by arguably the two best vidya composers that have ever walked this earth in the early phases of their careers.

Yeah go finish Xenogears
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What I get from the posters here is that if someone good makes something shitty, it'd still be good despite being actual shit.

Same reason why Pixar movies that are crappy gets free pass I guess.

>>324029649
You just proved my point though - those arranged albums are from old compositions still.

There's a reason why you don't hear the basic battle theme in XC among the usual "arranged" music in XC, because those were the only good tunes in XC (although personally I am not a big fan of Mechanical Rhythm).
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>people praise XC soundtrack like crazy
>finally play the game
>music is just okay, nothing special
Did I miss some epic new meme or what?
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>>324029649
>But his new work is amazing anon.

This, Mitsuda is a god

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2q6t7b4aPk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUrYAg_pLRY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLZumkhdI2U
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>>324007950
>Music isn't just about what sounds good, it's about fitting the tone of the scene the director is making.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjSx9hux9NA
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>>324030023
Yes, It was called having taste.

Since your differs from my own it is certainly objectively wrong and therefore and obligated to instruct you to immediately kill yourself, preferably in a painful way such as self immolation or suffocation.
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>>324030310
>Yes, It was called having bad taste.
ftfy
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>>324020869

HOM HOM TALK SMACK

HEROPON SMACK BACK
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>>324029703
Glad to hear that anon. Wind Scene, Schala's Theme, The Bend of Time, and On the Other Side are my favorite from that album.

>>324029813
Anon, if you were actually lisren the albums then you would know that many of the songs are entirely new compositions.

Also the battle scenes for Xenogears have been on the arranged albums and they sound epic.

>>324030083
Muh nigga.
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>>324030310
Sawano go to sleep
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>>324030370
No, they missed having taste, not having bad taste you moron.
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>>324030023
it's funny too

they use unrelated games composed by the same composer as a means to say that the other game is of good quality

>>324030389
and yet only the old songs were actually quite more memorable because they were well done

and why do you keep on bringing old games when talking about XB? you're just proving my point on how XB's OST is subpar
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>tfw you'll never fly around to music like this again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AfpPwNc7ek
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>>324023870

An Obstacle In Our Way was better
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>>324030023
No, the good songs like CODENAMEZ, THEMEX and The key we've lost (I think that's what it's called) are hidden and tucked away, only being played once while the shitty NLA and battle music is played 99% of the game.
The game has a good OST but unfortunately the shit songs are played the most often.
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>>324030508
last I checked the field themes and flight music are played a lot
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>>324004009
You'll get a lot of shit from this pleb board OP and nintenyearolds but they are most likely not familiar with how often Sawano reuses the same shitty tracks. They have most likely not even watched 20 whole animes(not including movies) so the are not familiar with his work on blue exorcist.
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>>324030472
God I loved anytime that track started up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N28K29tTfkc
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>>324030567
>I have to rely on other works to judge a work

so are you saying The Good Dinosaur is a good movie because Pixar made Ratatouille?
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>/v/ talking about music
el oh el lads
Have you faggots ever composed anything? Yeah fucking thought so, filthy plebs.
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>>324030464
Okay anon, I'll stop replying to you because clearly you just want to shit post about songs and albums you have never even heard for games you've never played.
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>>324007662
Not fair Gaur Plains is too good.
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>>324030781
>shitposts

except I agree to you that XG and CT and CC have amazing music, and his arrangement are mostly good

what I AM criticizing is you needing to bring up old works just to say an unrelated game has good music
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Can we fuck off about music and story for once.

NX has shoulder wheels. XCX's combat literally is suited for shoulder wheel

Left stick to control, Right stick for camera, right shoulder wheel to select arts.

XCX combat would feel fucking smooth id the dpad was on the right, but a shoulder wheel would seriously take the cake.

Also imagine not having to press a stiff d-pad to scroll a menu, but instead have an actual mouse wheel.
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Who's ready to get comfy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX65poZ8jiE
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>>324030724
All you should have to do is rely on your ears to tell Sawano is trash but your low intelligence seems to get in the way.
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>>324030950
I'd argue it isn't that much needed since you're sorta in a "pseudo" real time game
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>>324030745
>NNB image
>retarded statement

Like clockwork
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>>324031025
>he resorts to ad hominem

every fucking time

and every fucking XCX thread even

I'm noticing XCfags are salty because their game isn't discussed anymore
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So much butthurt in this thread.

Funny how some people are mad that only one talentious composer was able to surpass a team of multiple composer. XC's OST isn't bad nut nowhere near as good as XCX's OST. It has a handful of good tracks drowned in a sea of "how to make generic JRPG music 101" tracks. On the other hand XCX is the most ambitious OST that was composed for a JRPG. It's full of diverse and enchanting sounds and melodies. Nothing will ever surpass Sylvalum's night theme.
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>>324031158
Ehh

Noctilum > cave > Sylvalum > Primordia = Oblivia > Cauldros

themes
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>>324031158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdp6XPvJg40
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>>324031031
so you want the game to not feel comfy?

shoulder wheel is literally a god send for JRPGs on NX
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>>324031313
No I agree your control set up is good, I just feel like it isn't direly needed
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>>324031158
>XC's OST isn't bad nut nowhere near as good as XCX's OST.
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>>324031125
>I'm noticing XCfags are salty because their game isn't discussed anymore

except XC threads has seen a resurgence after XCX came out so inferior.
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>>324028338
I love these drones who pretend to know what they're talking about
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Lets take a minute and count how many worthwhile quests exist in XC, outside of main story.

Nopon Drug quest

that's it.
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OP sounds like a fucking faggot and needs to "bombast" his house to rid us of his gay shit.
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>>324031401
>resurgence

shitposting on XCX threads doesn't make those threads as XC

>>324031405
Pretty sure that's a thing. It's a reason why you don't have Rival Schools in PSN, for instance.
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>xenoblade 3

lol
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>UH
>YEAH
>UH UH UH UH
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>>324031476
Sawano get out
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>>324031549
You know what, I'll be serious.

What makes that bad exactly? NLA theme isn't really offending at all. Hell, it's one of those music that fits perfectly in the game. So I'm exactly not seeing why NLA theme is considered "bad music".
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>>324007183
>not having a volume slider is fucking unforgivable

Holy shit, this. I was wearing headphones and even then the music overpowered the voices way too frequently.
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>>324005690
The Tyrandt song isn't bad tho, it's the only battle theme I actually like.

Oh and another one used very rarely on story missions.
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>>324031463

how many main characters in XCX do we care about?

>Elma
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>>324031703
Now this is criticism I agree on. I wonder what made them forget that. You'd think with all of the options available, you'd have an audio slider.

>>324031754
>not caring about Phog and Frye
>nor L
>nor Hope
>nor the NPCs in those missions
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>>324031754
Don't forget Nagi, he's cool too.

But yeah, fuck the rest of them.
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>So I'm exactly not seeing why NLA theme is considered "bad music".
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>>324031684
It's just a little too bombastic desu
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https://a.uguu.se/sgjgxl_Meanwhile,onthemanonship.webm
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>>324031887
>he can't express his opinion properly so he relies on animation
>and even then the animation doesn't even say why
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>>324014537
he's a very competent composer in his style, it's not his fault that everyone wants to hire him and people get sick of it. I think the XC soundtrack is better than the bulk of his work but it's hardly a major step-down in quality between that and XCX's.
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>>324031823
>main characters
>Phog and Frye
>Hope
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>>324032027
>Trying this hard

lmao
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>>324032108
hey by that logic only Shulk and Fiora were the only main characters

>>324032136
well I dunno about me, but you certainly aren't

I'm still waiting as to why NLA city theme is bad
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>>324031754
I like Nagi, Phog, Frye, Hope, L and probably Celica.

I want to fuck/be fucked by daddy Vandham
I also want Jiarg to breed me with his royal kitty cat seed

Fuck Boze.
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>>324005690
It's still a good song though
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>tfw they go with a Mitsuda + Go Shiina combo for the next game
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>>324032207
No, you see Shulk and Fiora showed up in actual story missions and had dialogue outside their specific affinity missions.
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>>324004009
Sawano is a good composer, he's just bad at understanding the context the music will be used in. He writes music for the sale of writing music.
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>>324031242
>>324031391
>>324031280
Reaction faces are not valid answers.
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>>324031401
Actually it seems you need to make a shitpost thread for XCX for XC to be discussed, since if it's a usual XCX thread, the shitposting is ignored.

Hey at least Shulk is in Smash!
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>>324032145
Dunban 2.0
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>>324032367
And so did the other characters in XC but are you seriously telling me Sharla is important? Reyn? Riki? Hell even Dunban? Only Shulk and Fiora remain relevant throughout the game.

>>324032441
>Dunban

fuck of XCfag, it's Jin Uzuki 2.0
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>>324032558
its actually citan 4.0
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XCX OST is trash compared to XC

prove me wrong
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Hey I remember this thread!

Where is the part where someone says Arts are disabled when B is being prompted?
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>>324032668
sylvalum night theme
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>>324032056
Sure he is competent, but when you can know with two notes that it is one of his works it is as much of a boon as a bane. His work on shingeki no Kiojin is mind blowing, but having 2-3 soundtracks extremely similar can only hurt him on the long run. He needs another trick/ vibe to stay fresh.
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>>324032558
There's a difference between having varying levels of importance throughout the story, and literally no importance whatsoever at any point.
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>>324032323
>Go Shiina
My nigga. Mitsuda is my favorite vidya composer, but Go Shiina is underrated as hell. Tales of Legendia has one of my favorite vidya soundtracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5mBC4f264
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjZkAreY3c0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h-sCaMkMu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hADioyprLO0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_gEATNuTRo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXh7PtA13HI

The game is so close to being 10/10, but it has so many little flaws. A damn shame.
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>>324032668
This is true. I literally cannot prove you wrong.
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>>324032772
With how the other characters are handled in XC you might as well turn them into affinity missions and nothing would change.
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If you like Xenogears you hate Xenosaga
If you like Xenosage you hate Xenoblade
If you like Xenoblade you hate Xenoblade X

It's not hard folks.
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>>324032668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOWqE-VATZg
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>>324032918
no
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>>324032558
>you seriously telling me Sharla is important? Reyn? Riki? Hell even Dunban?
They actually showed up and had things to say didn't they? It's almost like they were actual main characters.

What did Phog, Hope and Frye say or do on the main story quests again, oh right nothing because they weren't part of it, like most of the characters in the game. They're what you'd call a side character.
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>>324032918
I like Gears, Blade and X

Saga is the only shit entry in the Xeno franchise.
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I do wish most of your party members had more banter. But it's understandable considering how many characters are involved in this game.
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>>324032979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNbw8Re-yIs
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>>324031823

hey look at all cool characters and backstories

ENJOY NEVER GETTING CLOSURE
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>>324033043
Their importance only comes up in their introduction. Even Dunban petered out. That's my point.

>>324033234
>XC is my first xeno game
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>>324032809

He totally saved the OST in Zestiria with just a handful of pieces.
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>>324032558

HAHA IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THE LOCALIZATION OF XC CHANGED DUNBAN FROM BEING A GENERIC HOTHEAD TO BEING A WORLDLY POETIC WARRIOR

or something
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So the eventual sequel is gonna be set on a new continent, right?

I mean Mira is obviously much more than those five areas.
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>>324033212
you know you should have used Colony music because that one is shit
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>>324033186
It actually makes more sense really.

Xenoblade had 7 characters they needed to worry about writing for.

X has like 20 characters, hell many of them don't even interact at all.
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>>324033439
Never ever sadly.

With that said, XBX ends with a prelude to some MMO like, you can be a Nopon, Ma-non, Prone, Mim, Orphe, that hazmat race, or Wrothian and explore a more colonized Mira
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>>324033485
Quantity over quality basically
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>>324031823
>Phog and Frye
>main characters
They aren't involved in the main story at all and I'm pretty sure they're DLC in the japanese version.
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>>324033212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tn7sJ_-nhY
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>Xenoblade 3

dream on, nintentards.
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>>324033575
>quality
>Sharla, Reyn and Meila

>>324033630
neither are DLC
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>>324033312
their importance petered out because the scale of the story kept changing beyond their scope.

Remember the original motivation to leaving Colony 9 was to avenge the "death" of countless homs at the hand of the mechon.

When the story climaxed EVERYONE but Shulk and Zanza became irrelevant.
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>>324033696
>Sharla, Reyn and Melia

All good characters with enough presence and development throughout the story, your point?
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>>324033312
>>XC is my first xeno game
Is that suppose to be some kind of defense? What the hell are you on about?
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>>324033485
they sadly only interact in post battles.

Lin and Alexa talk about skell exihibitions
Yelv genuinely surprised at Nagi's language
Lao and Murderess gossiping about Irina
Hope concerned about Phog's looks

etc...

there are surprisingly a lot.
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>All these hipster faggots hating on based Sawano
I bet you'd like some hipster shit like this instead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuVjX4VGrfU
LOL
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>>324033439
the art book proves that.

also the next game is gonna be a Xenogears revival avoiding copyright issues. Setting will be steampunk style but will have some advanced civilization. Combat will be similar to XCX, but story will be linear and have Fei-like protag. Also the man whose foot we say in ending with lao, is Space Grahf
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>>324033696

I know everyone loves Riki but his journey was ultimately pointless to the plot after they beat the dinobeast.
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>>324004009
I mean, besides how hard you're trying to analyze this like it's some /mu/-tard, you basically should have expected it when you consider the guy is known for his work in Laotian StickiFigure Slideshows. That said, he does have some great tracks in there (some of the battle themes, Sylvalum Night) but I wish he didn't use Whitaker so much. Guy's a shitty rapper.

It doesn't beat out XBC for me since that was just a power stable of dedicated vidya composers, but I can acknowledge how some people wouldn't like it since it's just generic RPG music through and through with the occasional electric guitar thrown in (usually ACE+'s work.)
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>>324033845
The artbook is just an artbook, it means nothing.

There's an entire fucking ocean past Oblivia, Noctilum and Cauldron with an invisible wall.

Whatever is past that wall is gonna be the setting for the sequel.
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>>324033756
You can remove Reyn from the start and nothing changes, since it's Dunban who influences most of Shulk.

Sharla's pointless and purpose is really just a plot device for a Metal Face, and even then, is already done better by Dunban and Fiora.

Riki is token.

Meila I'll give you that, has a bit more relevance than the others, but peters out after the importance of Telethia.

>>324033785
pls no

I like XC characters but pls don't tell me those guys are developed and enough presence

>>324033789
Xeno games tend to never be finished

even Xenoblade has a bit more open ended shit with Shulk
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>>324033153
>Saga is the only shit entry in the Xeno franchise.

Literally because it's development went to hell and they had to pick up the pieces and wrap shit it. I still love the shit out of Saga ep1. Ep2 was garbage and Ep3 was them doing the best they could to wrap shit up since they original plan for the series was null in void at that point.

Kos-Mos and Telos are the best thing to come out of the Xeno games.
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>>324033312
>Even Dunban petered out. That's my point.
Then your point is shit because they were still part of the game, they still showed up and they still had dialogue and played off eachother during the story. All the way up to the very end of the game they were still characters with things to say that other characters would respond to.

What you're arguing is that is the equivalent of the optional recruitable side characters you can get in XCX who literally do nothing and have nothing to say at all during the game's story. If you put them on your party they will not interact with the party or say or do anything during main story cutscenes. The game will act like they are not even there.
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>Reyn wondering if he succedeed in protecting Shulk
>Sharla and the quest to find her lover and then dealing with him dying
>Melia wanting Shulk's dick and also having to deal with the extinction of her kind

>LOL THESE DON'T COUNT THEY DON'T GET DEVELOPED AT ALL XD
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>>324034008
What reyen was the one who told shulk he need to be open about his visions.
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>>324006697

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zug0VLXZalI

At least this isn't popular. I mean, it's basically just inverse Linkin Park in nucore shit.

Odd they made this an insert in some cutscenes and a menu theme though.
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ONE BY OOOOOONE
ONE BY ONE!
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>>324006254
>Xenoblade X Chronicles

Fuck me
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>>324034146
By that logic the XCX side characters are "main characters" because they banter in the battle field. That's my point, those scenes you talk about are just fluffs.

>>324034191
Yes actually, remove Reyn and Sharla and you wouldn't lose nothing. Heck, I'd argue it'd improve more since it'd make Dunban closer to Shulk.

I already said about Melia's importance but you faggots are only concerned abotu MUH NTRs.
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>>324033818
Not only that not every character has them

You can fill out a party of characters where no one will interact with eachother beside with the player.
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>>324034347
>By that logic the XCX side characters are "main characters" because they banter in the battle field

No they aren't

Battle field banter =/= cutscene presence
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>>324034008
>Xeno games tend to never be finished
Ok but doesn't excuse the game not giving sufficient closure. It was shit then and guess what it's still shit now.
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Posting best Sawano

https://youtu.be/58qLOGi13T8?t=1h14m46s
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>>324034008

>You can remove Reyn from the start and nothing changes

If he died instead of Fiora he would have been turned into another Gadolt or Mumkhar. Reyn time is fine since he is Shulk's rock of reason.
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>>324034478
the "presence" is minimal and pretty much comparable to a banter

>>324034495
then why bring it up as though it's a fault of a game being compared to a game that also has the same fault?
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>>324006254
Shit, did he write Worlds Collide?
I actually... like it.
https://youtu.be/ZPbuhaF078o
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>>324016738

I love generic samples too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY3Dby3tATg
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>>324034623
not die, just cease to exist

imagine in the opening it was Dunban, still weak from his battle but assists Shulk around gathering parts

it also makes the whole monado drama shit at the early part less weird because the previous wielder is there to see Shulk's progress with it
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>>324033959
>It doesn't beat out XBC for me since that was just a power stable of dedicated vidya composers, but I can acknowledge how some people wouldn't like it since it's just generic RPG music through and through with the occasional electric guitar thrown in (usually ACE+'s work.)

XBC's music is extremely good, but you're right about it's very generic RPG music. It's really good at what it does, don't get me wrong, but I really respect X's decisions to make such unique tracks for their game. X is way more hit and miss though.
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>>324004009
I post the save thing on /a/ all the time. His compositions are shit. They're either very forgettable and flat melodies, or his signature "triple descend into EPIC LOUD CHORDS AND CHANGING!" He even has the same girl do the chanting every time.

He has absolutely no range or talent. He's the beacon of shit tier pleb taste in music, and one of the reasons I didn't buy XCX.
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>By that logic
This is the second time you've said that where it's a complete fucking non-sequitur.

No by the logic that these character are main characters because they show up in the main story and have dialogue and a role in said main story that is not optional doesn't make side characters who do not into main characters because they can have a single line of unrelated party banter outside of cutscenes or the main plot.

I'm seriously starting to question your basic cognitive functions anon.
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>>324034886
So few words yet so much bullshit in one post.
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>>324034886
Why not just play the game on mute? You missed out probably one of the better alien-centric games.
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>I liked XC for it's combat
>I thought XC's story was generic, up until Alvis reveal at the end
>I had more fun actually playing XCX than XC
>I think the lore in XCX is more interesting than XC's main story

More fun for me.
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>>324035046
i liked XCX's sidequest system a lot more

Xenoblade's main plot was too good, so I ignored like 90% of sidequests.
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>>324034987
See, for me, simply appearing on a cutscene and saying "whoa!" doesn't make someone important nor having a presence. They have to be more than that.

Your defense solely relies on that.

Shit like this is why I wonder why people cherish FFIX when it also suffers the same thing.
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>>324004009
/a/non here. We've known for years now that Sawano is an overrated hack who composes nothing but unmemorable, phoned in, symphonic crap. Now you know how we feel whenever it's announced that Sawano's doing the soundtrack of another anime.

The real shame though is that Sawano used to be a great composer. The OST he composed for Gundam Unicorn was Sawano at his finest, but he peaked soon after that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v25MaXwopNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwktIkvRBI8
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>>324006369
I never see anyone talk about Cauldros's theme
Its great. Sounds super powerful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arCSjKvK0s0
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>>324034191

Why does Takahashi hate Mellia so much?

>Sharla says she'll help Melia win the Shulkbowl
>never followed up on
>dad died
>brother turned into a Telethia and died as a failed suicide bomber
>friends and family Telethia
>Shulk too fixated on the toaster to even pay attention to Melia
>Melia had a chance to tell her her feeling but pussied out
>by endgame she is left with nothing but her dwindling subjects, a destroyed kingdom and resigned to be the High Entia fuck factory to keep her race pure from becoming death machines.
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>>324035163
the drug quest and the tyrea quest were the only memorable ones. Rest was filler to me. XCX had some really interesting sidequests
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>>324035163
I did that, and I ended up getting stuck on a boss at the very end because I was underleveled.

Xenoblade Chronicles' sidequests ruined the game for me.
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>>324035393
Although people are harsh on Manon here.

Like, if you actually paid attention, it's the pizza maker's fault.
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>>324035163
indeed. I loved every moment in XCX.
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>>324035270
The night part is where it shines desu
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>>324033186
It looks like the artist fucked up when they made this. One of Elmas earlier chips is poorly painted in. Lao one, Elma cheated.
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>>324035557
you don't really hear much about people talking about Cauldros's theme because many used skells there, which is a shame.
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>>324034631
>>the "presence" is minimal and pretty much comparable to a banter
No it fucking isn't anon, not in the fucking least.

In one case you have characters interacting in the main plot saying things that the other characters respond to reacting to the situation at hand as it unfolds.

In the other you have a canned phase that repeats again and again when a battle ends that completely ignores anything that is currently happening.

In the one case you've got a character who is actually part of the story, if you just silenced out their lines it wouldn't make sense because suddenly the protagonist and antagonist would be talking to imaginary people and reacting to imaginary events.

You blink out Phog, Frye, Hope or any of the non essential characters and it changes absolutely nothing because according to the game's plot they aren't even there.
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>>324035270
>Nightime
>Those bells
>Dat beat

most jrpg fans hate any music that isn't played on a piano or violin and is always soft and atmospheric. That's why this thread exists.
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>>324035806
see >>324035218

I see your point and what you're trying to say, but again, I want more substance if you want to consider the characters relevant during those.

with that said

>In the other you have a canned phase that repeats again and again when a battle ends that completely ignores anything that is currently happening.

but anon, how can it "ignore anything that is currently happening" when they react to battle, which is when they say those lines
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>>324035218
>>Your defense solely relies on that.
Except it doesn't, my defense relies on the fact that these character are actually responded to. When they say something the other characters say something in response.

You blank them out and silence all their lines and you'd fucking notice immediately that you're missing.
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>>324035270

Likely because unless you're deep into the game, you don't really spend a lot of time in Cauldros. I know I'm at Chapter 7 of the story (just got my skell) and Cauldros is my least explored area.

Though my party is about to hit level 50 collectively from stomping higher level beasties with the Skells. I should basically be able to just roll through the story now.
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>>324035880

>most jrpg fans hate any music that isn't played on a piano or violin and is always soft and atmospheric.
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>>324036139
Potentially. But the last area pulls some bullshit. Its better to be a little overleveled honestly.
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>>324036106
Yeah it seems you're taking my point a bit to literal.

My point is like how I mentioned removing Reyn. Because I removed Reyn, changes are made to fit with Dunban.

In the point about "cutscene presence", obviously you'll have to change it that they will have no reference to the removed character, but the whole idea, the whole importance of that scene, is still there because, as I said, those characters are fluffs.
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>>324035336

Something tells me at some point in the design process, you were intended to choose who Shulk goes goes with, but that was removed and the settled with Fiora since she's just pre-baked as the default romance option.

Sharla at least had the Reyn fallback. Melia just gets BTFO by the will of the Universe at every turn.
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Sawano is getting tiring for me as well. Everything he does sounds the same. He's like the Japanese Jeremy Soule. Except unlike him, I can't help but to enjoy his music.

But fuck the NLA and Primordia themes. They are fucking terrible.
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I really like X's soundtrack, honestly. While i prefer the original's, I think I'd rather have what we got then just the same thing again. It really does fit the theme better, and while there were a lot of songs (ie Black Tar) that I really hated at first, it's starting to grow on me. I don't even find the NLA themes to be TOO terrible, though that may just be because I only have ~20 hours in the game. It also may help that I'v never heard any of Sawano's other work.

>>324036394
I like Primordia.
Is the theme generally disliked? Why?
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>>324036394
Primordia's fucking great man.
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>>324036337
>You have to alter the game for my point to make any sense
Glad, you're finally admitting you were wrong.

Couldn't you have done this 20 minutes ago and saved me the hassle?
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>>324028428
>Probe it a lot
>THESE CUSTOMERS KEEP ORDERING PIZZA FROM ME...AND THEY KILLED MY WIFE FROM STRESS!
>CLEARLY IT IS NOT MY FAULT FOR NOT HIRING MORE PEOPLE FOR WORK OR EXPANDING MY BUSINESS!
Dude was a fucking idiot. Ma-non literally cannot comprehend the same concepts as humans, and this guy somehow had the money to upgrade a skell rather than expand his pizza business in NLA. Because other entrepreneurs CLEARLY weren't around!
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>>324036818
Way to actually be ignorant on my points or outright dismiss them.

Though you are right that this is stressful if pushed on because you wouldn't even listen.
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Why the fuck can't we get composers like Shiro Sagisu, Susumu Hirasawa, or even Yoko Kanno to do the soundtrack for video games?

Sagisu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fC7x9VIKzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC7H1rOU1Gg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GheBtkD7TQ

Hirasawa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n55QVlBoDxI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seV2DwFu3Lg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx9RgTiIKDE

Kanno:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIVgSuuUTwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udTaYktFHnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaAVuyp1yiM
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>>324036282
Gravity damage becomes a factor doesn't it. I've been waiting for that to kick in as a regular thing outside of a handful of tyrants.

Also something something beam damage.
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>>324036818
He's saying that Xenoblade has redundant characters which roles could be filled by other characters to make them stand out more. What's so hard to understand?
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>>324036973
Anon I've listened to your entire argument from the beginning up until now.

You haven't made a single valid point in this entire time. You claim that the side characters in XCX are main characters because the main characters in XC had reduced impact on the plot later in the game and that party banter after a fight is equivalent to actually interacting with other characters in cutscenes during the main plot. You're also saying that if you could alter the dialogue and the plot of the entire game to remove the characters and this is your proof that they aren't main characters.

I know what you're saying and it's still retarded.
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I will never, ever understand what it is about this soundtrack that makes people so pissy.
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>>324004009
Engage the Enemy would be literally perfect if it were done with live instruments. Those synth strings are fucking bottom of the uncanny valley cancer

Sawano can ONLY produce synth garbage
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>>324036783

I imagine it's because it's generic dinosaur music.

>the heavy brass sections
>the strings sections to embody the sprawling grassy landscapes

>how it's basically the same track but subdued at night (typical style, since Bionis' Leg does this too, so not really a valid complaint)

I like it well enough myself. It's not offensive like the NLA themes.
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>>324037537
It's not generic jrpg music.
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>>324037451
I get that that anon, obviously, but that's not the point he's trying to make.

What he's saying is that these characters in their current roles are not main characters and are equivalent to the plot as the characters in XCX who don't even show up in the main plotline such as Phog, Frye or Hope.
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>>324037527
When someone says "take out a character and nothing changes", they mean that in the sense of importance to the scene, not of the lines.

That is my point - the importance of the scenes didn't require them at all.
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>>324037537
The fact that it plays so loudly that it drowns out the characters talking during cutscenes, so people notice it and start to pick it apart which would normally happen.
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>>324037741
I'm simply saying that their importance are "similar" to them right after their usual introductory arc because of how unimportant they are later on.

>>324037669
And yet somehow the "dinosaur" music managed to fit in the game unlike other Sawano's generic work.
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>>324037886
Yeah, that lack of volume options is ridiculous, but I don't hate the music itself
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>>324037886
*wouldn't normally happen
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Xenoblade x's ost > xenoblades ost

Xenoblade has more bland songs than X

the only difference is it wasn't uses as well in cutscenes but aside from that it was better
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So any tips on how to beat Calore in Cauldros? Even with 3 lvl 50 Skells I get rekt and I gotta beat this fucker to unlock one of the level 5 field skills.
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>>324037992
>I'm simply saying that their importance are "similar" to them right after their usual introductory arc because of how unimportant they are later on.
Well you are now but this has changed from before when you claimed by that logic only shulk and fiora were main characters.

Again, thank you for admitting you were wrong, and you should have done this sooner before you spent an hour embarrassing yourself.
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>>324037992

Area themes aren't as hard since you're given a theme and you roll with it.

Like how lava levels always have this apocalyptic and heavy sound to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K911vKN02WU

Cauldros is no different. Though props to Oblivia having a Western Desert/wild wilderness theme.
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>>324038082

too bad the good songs are buried in fuck all areas and the worst that the OST has to offer is blared on infinite.
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Fuck you OP
Manon, Sylvalum, Oblivia and Cauldros' themes were great
Noctilum's isn't bad but Primordia's is pretty meh

The city one caught me by surprise but I like it now.
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>>324038331
which was my point from the beginning? that in the end only shulk and fiora mattered since the introduction story didn't really have a lasting length?
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>>324038392
but sometimes even the redundant piece becomes suddenly good when put on the right context

like sure, you got gaur plains which is a nice theme and all, but then primordia just feels like it has more personality because of how the music reflects the dangers the place (being near the vicinity of NLA)
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>>324035025
>I don't know anything about music and like eating shit
We know.

>>324035029
I know moon. Between my PC, PS3/4, Vita and DS (just about done with my Wii) I essentially have unlimited games to play. XCX would have been the only reason I bought a WiiU, but I didn't feel like buying a console for one watered down "we want quantity over quality" bastardization of a last gen game I loved.
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>>324038828
XC feels more quantity over quality gameplay-wise

XCX has more meaningful side quests, a better world building, and lets you explore around
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Ayylmao
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>>324039127
you mean Elmao
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>>324004009
Agreed with OP. The worldmap songs are kind of boring. They're different, but not memorable and don't add enough WOW. If you get into Guar Plains in the first XBC, you definitely get that. One of the biggest open area's in the game where you gain a lot of freedom. The OST fits perfectly there and to never get bored of. For Sawano, I feel like there is no music at all or at the least, it doesn't stick around unless it annoys me uh yeah yeah dum di du dum and one two three four. Basically, Sawano isn't bad but as expected, he can not compose for a videogame alone. If they kept ACE+ and the other guys around, I'm pretty certain the OST would be flawless.

There is just this thing of...too much Sawano. Some mixing his style with other stuff would do great. Also, his style seemed to fit nicely on a game like Sengoku Basara. RPGs need to be done with more care though. Might just be the hardest type of game to compose due to it's dynamic/variety.
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>>324039281
the fuck am I reading
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Xenoblade Chronicles X? More like Penisblade Chronicles Sex.
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>>324039281
The area themes of x are the one thing that shit on xc

All of then are good whereas xc had garbage like ether mines or tephra cave
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>>324039281
>They're different, but not memorable and don't add enough WOW
Di you even reach Sylvalum or Noctilum?
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>>324039428
You could have equipped a raygun
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I don't like the soundtrack either, but I haven't played the game, I'm just an enthusiast and composer.
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>>324039281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDbh3lLi1ZY

Here's your (You).

Though really, it fits better if you actually see the place at night. Honestly? This destroys Mount Valak in the original.
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>>324039449
X only has 4 areas to explore and cave shit. Although, caves music are even worse than ether mines/ tephra cave. XBC did have quite a few more area's so the one or two shitty ones are excusable to the almost all shitty ones in existance in another game.

>>324039462
Sylvalum > Noctilum > Oblivia > Cauldros > Primordia themes wise. I mess up in remembering the last 3 as they somehow...sound too similair. I have no complain's for Sylvalum's though. It's pretty spot on.
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>>324038971
XCX dropped focus on engaging story for the main plot, and without that, good sidequests are pointless.

The characters aren't even remotely comparable (I don't understand the one guy in this thread pretending the main characters in XC weren't needed or didn't play a big role).

XCX focused on "bigger" world building, not better. Without interesting characters to interact with the world, it essentially amounts to a giant offline MMO: all lore with no interesting plot or interactions. Going for a broader audience was the worst thing they could have done.
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>>324040109
>Xcx cave music worse than ether mines

Epitome of shit taste
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>>324004009
Do you like Kanye OP? What about Drake? I really want to know your top 5.
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>>324040140
Yeah, I'm sad you couldn't get the kitty chain quest guy Gi Zang and Ackwar as your party members. They're both chars with quests to make you grow on them and be dissapointed you can't get them in your party, despite capable.
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>>324040224
I wonder how High Entia connected to X's Telethia.
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I don't hate all of the tracks in XBX, but if they bring him back in their next game they need to either severely limit lyrical tracks or have him not be the only composer. Ideally both.
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>>324032551
They're kinda cunts to Gwin, considering he actually is one of the aces of all the BLADEs somehow.
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>>324040376
They dont
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>>324040327
Yeah, they could have easily given Bozé's spot on the roster to Gi Zang.
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>>324040493
It's just banter lad :)
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>>324040224
If the Entia knew they had to mix their blood with Homs, why didn't they make more effort towards that? Barely anyone in Colony 6 or 9 believed they existed, they were just holed up on their own city and never really mingled.
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>>324040523
I'd be okay with this. More than, even. Boze is a fucking awful character, and that's even before considering he's basically /pol/ incarnate.
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>>324040495
It doesn't make any sense. Telethia can't exist without some HE body.
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>>324040493
He's just beta as fuck. What other reason do you need to pick on him?
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>>324040740
Takahashi already stated that the XC and XCX aren't connected plot wise so there's no point in thinking about it unless you have your own head canon.
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>>324040740
It's just a nod, like how the Nopon are there, mention two races fighting each other with giant weapons, and the Legendary Nopon Blade

There are nods to the other Xeno games, but since this is a blade-line, and XBC being the most recent, it gets the most nods.
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>>324004009

Fcuk, I love Engage the Enemy, it's such a great track! It fits so well in the moments it is used, the climax is absolutley amazing and I love having that song in smash bros. Add the voice acting which I think it's pretty good for JRPG standards and the scenes are absolutely amazing, also, Riki's voice in japanese makes me sick, I really like how they gave him a strange cute but aged creature feel in english, kind of like a creature from Star Wars or some shit instead of a KAWAII UGUU VOICE.
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>>324041175
>>324040889
"It isn't over until the fat baby sings!"
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>>324040493

with a face like that, what did you expect ?
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>finish chapter 3
>explore primordia
>find this
???
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>>324041786
Don't touch it!
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I don't understand all the hate for Black Tar. I could do without the rap parts, but I didn't find them that annoying, and the rest of the song is good.
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>>324041786
Whenever you find one of those, they'll come back in a later sidequest.
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>>324041891

Skell version is slightly better for limiting the crap out of Whitaker.

>>324042112
And usually end up destroyed
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>>324041891
[b]IF YOU ARE ROUSING YOUR WIFE[/b]
[b]YOU NEED SOME PROTECTION[/b]
[b]REYN TIME GET YOU[/b]
[b]WHATEVER YOU GO[/b]
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>>324040745
Beta enough he shows up all the other BLADEs who can't do what he can. Like basically everyone who's not Elma's team is saying he's badass for elbowing his way into dangerous missions like that when no one else will.

Even Nagi handpicked him in that short story before the game.
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>>324020058
He's posting on /v/ to prove a point, of course he's going to cherrypick.
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>>324041891

just spend only 30 minutes in New L.A. and you'll understand. despite that, i still love this game
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>>324041881
I suddenly got reminded of this son of a bitch, nearly had a heart attack because of it
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>>324042447
*CLICK* *CLICK*
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>>324042280
He may be above average at being a BLADE, but whenever there is a situation involving Irina he becomes the biggest pussy.
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>>324042323
Well yeah. The NLA theme sucks after the first five minutes, but I was talking about the battle theme.
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>>324042573
Scarier than horror games desu
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>>324043051
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OP is less fag than most of this thread
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>>324004009
both Sawano and go shina need to stop adding vocals to their tracks
but I felt sorry for sawano it's damn hard to top Xenoblade Chronicles OST

just listen to go shina cringe worthy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsapGXtZ1QA&index=9&list=RD22ZKTyJvzPU

and compare it to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYRZvMkJNeg

Persona composer too need stay away from the vocals. any track without vocals there are god tier
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>>324044135
>Persona composer too need stay away from the vocals

>implying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzRqtW1C0Zo
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>>324044135
>Persona composer too need stay away from the vocals. any track without vocals there are god tier

Shouji Meguro just composes the same track over and over again.
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>>324044135
>Persona composer too need stay away from the vocals. any track without vocals there are god tier

Nah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd6MW-XhO5I
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>>324044135
No Shoji Meguro doesn't need to stay away from vocals. https://youtu.be/-iy47Q--EbU
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>>324004009
You know the poop is gonna hit the fan when this starts playing
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UH UH YEAAAH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_N7WgxEoI8
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>Please kill me.

And that's why I will never take anything you said seriously whether or not you might be right.
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>before chapter 5
>WE ARE ALL HUMAN GOTTA BE CAREFUL JUST IN CASE WE DIE!
>aftet chapter 5
>lol who the fuck cares? We are just mims. If we destroy this mim then we will just upload you to another mim

Then how can people actually die if everyone is a fucking mim? What shitty fucking writing
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>>324047757
>faggot detected
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>>324048259
>actually defending the worst writen xenogears
Why?
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>>324042253
go home reddit
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I-I liked Uncontrollable...
and Black Tar in a it's-so-cheesy-its-good kind of way

New L.A. is utter garbage tho
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>>324048887
Just imagine. Someone was paid to record NLA music
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>>324048975
UH UH UH YEAH
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>>324033818
What do Lao and Murderess say about Irina.

Also you forgot the best one with Alexa and Hideo.
A: Why did I see you doing push-ups in front of Commander Vandham the other day?
HB: Because I wanted to remind him which one of us had the endurance for the long haul
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>>324034576
>breathless

That should've been NLA's day theme.
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>>324047757
>If we destroy this mim then we will just upload you to another mim

What? Just keep playing the game and avoid these threads for spoilers please, and that was only supposed to be possible if they found the core.
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I don't think XBX's music is that bad. It gives the game its own identity.

Sound mixing during cutscenes needs to be improved htough. No reason for the music to drown out what characters are saying.
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>>324004009
Honestly, why the fuck did they pick the two worst tracks (both NLA themes) to play in the city? What a dumb choice
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> Hating on UH UH YEAH
Nigger
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>>324048394
i'd take that over shonen shit from XC.

also chapter 5 is literally more complex than the entireity of XC. Untill the bomb that hits in chapter 11~12.

I judge XCX on chapters 5, 6, 11 and 12. If those chapters didn't exist, I'd agree XCX had shit story.
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>>324047757
>oh shit, we forgot to tell you that you're a robot lol
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How many fucking playables does this game have?

Storyline I have gotten Cross, Lin, Elma, Lao, L, Doug, Gwin, and Iriina.

For side characters I've gotten H.B., Yelv, Alexa, and Frye.

I know about Phog, Nagi, and Murderess.

How many fucking characters are in this game?
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>>324051706
>putting sequel bait in a game that will never get a direct sequel is good writing
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>tfw the next sequel will never have a Shulk guy
I'm not really feeling it anymore.
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>>324051980
Its more likely that the next game will have a standard protag instead of custom character garbage
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>>324052069
But this game does have a standard protagonist, it's just that you don't play as her.
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>>324051706

11 and 12 are definitely the best chapters story-wise. There's a noticeable leap in quality in cutscene direction and themes. They also simmer down on the eating Tatsu jokes. Too bad the whole game isn't like them, and it ends soon afterwards.
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>>324049376
I like Frye and Alexa's
Frye: Hey Alexa, you ever gonna get it up over something besides Skells?
Alexa: Whatever. The only things you ever talk about are booze and your brother
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>>324051927
what is xenogears disk 2
what is xenosaga 2

XC plot:
gf gets killed
boy gets magical sword for revenge
magic sword is actually evil god
boy kills evil god
world goes back to normal

I'm guessing you are one of those faggots that think Melia's character development is the entire story of XC.
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Pretty sure this is a traffic violation.
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So, what's the best melee weapon Arts and DPS wise? I'm sticking with the sniper rifle as my ranged one, since the After Burner art is just the best shit ever.
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>>324052389
>what is xenosaga 2
A Game that everyone knew would get a sequel?
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>>324006369
Is NO.EX01 underrated? Because this shit is FUCKING GOD TIER.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDyIooHmTWg
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>>324052505
longsword? how do you not know about ether dance by know
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>>324052568
With that atrocious art style? I'm amazed they managed to do it.
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>It's a low level mission that requires you to run through an area filled with high level aggressive monsters
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>>324052568
a 6 part game that became 3 parts. the writer of the game almost commited suicide in part 2. 3 literally crammed what would have been 4~6 in one game.
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>>324052681
>finish mission
>"great job, now we just need more materials!"
>Special Sauce: 0/5
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>>324051717
I'm convinced elma is in on the whole j body thing, there is no way she'd forget to mention that
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>>324051923
There's also Bozo, Celica, Phog, and Mia survives

>>324052271
I like Alexa, but the game just made it so fun to bully her in her first affinity quest, you can pick the option to tease her like 5 times in one cutscene.

>>324052392
Thanks doc
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>>324051923

Around 18, I think.
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>>324052625
Cause I just maxed out Astral Crusader, but thanks! Brb, becoming a Duelist.
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>>324053327
don't forget to believe in the heart of the cards
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>>324053110

Probably. It seemed suspicious to me how Elma and Nagi desperately wanted Cross to join BLADE at the beginning of the game. Then they put him/her in Elma's team.
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>>324053110
She probably is in on it. At some point before the story she trained Yelv or implanted fake memories of training him
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>>324053119
Make sure you take the dosage as required.
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>>324053461
Screw the cards, I have FrontierNav's money.
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>>324008167
look for map hexes that are colored purple, along with the monsters the color of the hexed updates as you level
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>>324004009
Is this a new maymay or something? Sawano is great, Black tar is best song since Keiichi Okabe's Shadowlord.
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>>324055303
Considering all the degenerate stuff going on in NLA at any given moment, it shouldn't.
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>>324055687
>that one guy cuddling a Nopon in the park
Gross. Alex was right.
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>>324031463
>Lets take a minute and count how many worthwhile quests exist in XC, outside of main story.
>Nopon Drug quest
>that's it.

If we're talking about side quest scope, one can argue the side quests involving the Definians are one gigantic side plot
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>>324005035
I doubt he's any more clueless about music than the autistic weeaboos who worship Sawano.
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>>324055505
>Black tar
>good
Bait.jpg
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>>324052681
>>It's a low level mission that requires you to run through an area filled with high level aggressive monsters

Ohhh, Spy Game, you are one hell of a Affinity Quest!
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>>324055908
>tfw no cute Nopon gf to hug while you sleep
Why live?
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>>324055303
BESTIALITY AND FUTA IMAGES FUCKING WHEN GOD DAMN IT
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>>324055908
Alex died before knowing the Wrothian, so his opinion is invalidated. Hell, he knew about the Definians and didn't like them either, so he was probably gay as hell.
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>>324051579
>It gives the game its own identity.
Since when is mass produced Sawano garbage made to appeal to casuals considered having identity?
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>>324044135
You might have a chronic case of shit taste.
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>>324044772
Lotus Juice is a fucking god tier rapper.
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I'm starting to lose interest in the game, I'm not even halfway through the story, I'm not sure what I should do.
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>>324040495
Mira is the planet Shulk created at the end of XC and the mysterious force that won't let others leave the planet and allows them to understand each other is Alvin
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>>324058872
play a class outside of memesword

or play another game
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>>324059598

Which one is the memesword? I'm playing as Bastion Trooper. So much of the time my character is doing nothing.

>let gatling fire
>switch weapon
>let shield swing
>switch weapon
>respond to soul voice

Nothing feels exciting about the combat. The world is interesting but the fighting is dull.
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