>this track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkHmZ0tKKww
It's just forgettable & the XCX OST is full of these kind of tracks. He relies on a big bombastic sound because the actual compositions themselves are weak as shit. It's basically Japanese Hans-Zimmer. All the song does is hit into some big bombastic mess of notes over some standard power chords, then just slaps over it a disgusting tin-sounding snare drum to create a generic groove. Even when the bombast lets up at 1:40, it doesn't go into anything interesting; just another weak melody played on the continuing violin over the same generic 4/4 groove where it's just someone hitting that same ugly-sounding snare. It's lazy. Then at 2:29, it does the same thing again, more melodramatic bombast; the same groove; the same god-awful snare drum. The track doesn't go anywhere musically; it doesn't turn any corners. It's just constantly beating you over the head with bombastic melodrama. I really hope Takahashi does away with Sawano for the next game. I'm not gonna lie, there's some tracks I really do like but the majority of it is tacky, cheesy, unsophisticated trash.
Compare it to this track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi0M9SIaLb4
The piano intro is so memorable. Then at 0:25, the snare changes into the rim hit of the snare, demonstrating that there is actual dynamics going on in the music, unlike Sawano's bombastic-turn-everything-up-to-11 style. Throughout the song, even when it goes into different parts, there's a constant theme running through it. Sawano is just bombastic melodrama, that's it. It's the same throughout the whole track. It's the same on this track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fi4_DoVwto
The same groove, the same bombastic big sound, the same god-awful snare, melodies lifted straight out of a Linkin' Park/Evanescence album. The tracks sound like a 12 year old just got bought his first keyboard & drum set. Please kill me.
It really irritates me how every field and battle theme has a noticeable start and stop. Those songs should loop seamlessly. Its also really fucking annoying how you can't hear the characters talking over the damn lyrics in cutscenes. Not to mention that most of the lyrics are just stupid in general
>IS THIS THING ON
>I NEED A BIGGER GUN
And then there's the NLA music of course, both themes are absolute garbage. And Uncontrollable isnt even about fighting, its about a couple making up after an argument. Why the fuck would he use those lyrics for the Tyrant song? As retarded as Black Tar is, at least its somewhat about fighting.
I'm not sure what music plays during the Yggralith Zero fight but its probably the worst lyrical track I've heard in any video game.
Sawano doesn't have a clue how to write video game music and I agree he doesn't need to come back for the next Xenoblade game.
>OP's first time hearing a Hiroyuki Sawano OST
I liked XBC's OST a lot but I really prefer XBCX's overall. There's so many good tracks
The only stupid part of Sawano is how he fucking gives stupid shitty names to all the songs
>Why the fuck would he use those lyrics for the Tyrant song? As retarded as Black Tar is, at least its somewhat about fighting.
Whenever it goes into "When I ask the smallest things, you get mad" part I fucking cringe. The vocal & those lyrics made me want to stab myself. It's excruciatingly painful in a "I fucking hate this part" way.
I play guitar & piano. Let us know when you stop having shit taste.
Oh, what's that I hear? 50% off Ill Nino & Papa Roach hoodies in the town shopping centre? Aw, anon. Your fave. Quick, anon, put on your pants & eyeliner before they sell out.
And yes, don't worry, they do XXL :^)
Couple things I need help with /v/
1) How the fuck do I properly use this afterburner skill? It says boosts damage when in ranged combos, sometimes I hit for 500ish damage each and other times I hit for 2500 each shot. I can't figure it out pls help (level 7 astral crusader, level 26 overall)
2) Just hit level 7 Astral Crusader, starting to get a little bored of sniping everything. I'm level 6 blast fencer so I might just master that and galactic knight afterwards but hows samurai gunner/bastion warrior?
Hanz zimmer is pretty cool
My fucking nigga. Best battle theme in the game.
Also post underated tracks. NO main field themes allowed, NO Don't Worry, NO Wir Fliegen, NO Uncontrollable.
The most popular tracks of the XCX OST are rhe worst songs imo, it's just everyone gravitates towards them the most because they're more instantly gratifying & the most poppy.
>I liked XBC's OST a lot but I really prefer XBCX's overall. There's so many good tracks
>There's so many good tracks
One of the only tracks I really enjoy in the game, maybe it's because I'm a sucker for Sawano's vocal team.
make me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSyqAsc3wFw
im sorry guys no matter if every other track is excellent in the game or not
not having a volume slider is fucking unforgivable
but those 2 songs (especially day) in NLA being so criminally bad is plain torture and i have had to take a break from the game because I just can't play for extended periods of time if I have to listen to that shit
But Anon, downloadable data packs were very clearly an option. File size has nothing to do with anything.
Thank you sawano..
Sawano is trash
I thought both were unique.
Music isn't just about what sounds good, it's about fitting the tone of the scene the director is making. XC and XCX are like Fire and Water. They're incredibly different, XC's OST wouldn't fit with XCX.
A lot of XCX's OST gives me a Metal Gear vibe.
>mfw listening to the XCX OST right now
>all these people talking about Mitsuda and Shimomura
They did, like, six tracks on XC. What made that soundtrack so good was that it had a diversity of composers working under the strict direction of someone who knew exactly what he wanted from every aspect of the game.
Sawano is just a hack who was given free reign to do whatever the fuck he wanted.
I don't watch anime. Guess I'm not over-saturated.
Where are some easy enemies to kill leveled around 33? I need to level up some classes and can only find either 22's, 26's, or 38's that one shot me
I'm only level 28 so Skells aren't an option
Who the fuck knows. Songs with vocals in video games can work well when there's just one or two lyrical songs that are memorable. Like Snake Eater for instance. When 75% of the soundtrack is full of dumb sounding engrish with subpar singers, it just gets annoying. On top of that, video game music shouldn't really have a noticeable stop and start point when it loops and thats hard to avoid with vocal tracks.
it's weird because when that part cues in, nothing really happens in the scene for it to really have any meaning. It almost feels like it's actually composed for a scene from something else entirely.
I remember the XC OST sounding a hell of a lot more compressed in the actual game. Actual that's still the case with XCX, just not to the same extent. I wish we'd get some proper remasters in the future.
Why are /a/utists so mentally stunted?
i disagree. I love every single thing in this game except for the music to the point where i actually put in headphones if im not doing story missions and listen to some rock or DnB because it actually fits the epic battles.
Fuck the music in this game is so beyond terrible it ALMOST ruined a 9/10 game and turned it into a 8/10
this guy is a fucking hack. i swear, i can't like any of his work. I've listened to aldnoah zero, kill la kill, nanatsu no taizai and xcx.
his music is so generic, robotic and emotionless, he seems to do everything on the computer which i despise.
definitely the worst composer i've seen
I wouldn't say XBCX's music is horrible. It's serviceable enough, but for me, XBC just had a much more memorable score.
Colony 9 pops up in my head as soon as I think of the game. X doesn't have a particular tune or two that jumps out at me
Not OP, but Sawano should hold off a bit. Between Aldnoha Zero, Shingeki no Kiojin and Xenoblade chronicles X, after doing more or less the same, his signature may getting old. He must take some time to renew his way of composing. I loved his shingeki no Kiojin soundtrack but I'm getting tired of his artistic lazyness.
Basically Sawano is the nu-metal/scuzz/Kerrang composer of anime/video games. I also hate the production of his songs.
We need music like this back in Xeno. Sawano cant even touch shit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV-j7elCiE4
I agree with the Japanese Hans Zimmer line. A lot of his songs have very similar sounds and styles to them to the point that you could replace one with the other without much change.
Melancholia on the squad select screen sounds hilariously similar to Aliez from A/Z in structure and even vocals.
Just like some of Zimmer's songs sound like homages to his previous work. Cyclotone/Retreat & Reveille/Mombasa have always felt like riffs on the same theme.
His tracks for Aldnoah Zero were god-tier, especially the rearrange tracks lordy
I was very disappointed with the ending theme.
Where was my sappy love song for me to memorize all the lyrics of?
I remember laughing my ass off when I first heard that ending theme, but now I sing along with it.
I think it's a good song, same with the Xenoblade one and I was kinda hoping for something similar out of this one.
I wish Shimomura, ACE+ and him would team up for Xenoblade 3. I absolutely loved everything they did so far and Sawano deserves way more respect for writing the entirety of X's OST.
I wish they would pick someone to supervise sawano
I mean I love the dude but letting him do the OST without anyone telling him what works and doesn't probably led to the stupid ass lyrics during cutscenes
The Nopon in X were such a big disappointment compared to the original
>And then there's the NLA music of course, both themes are absolute garbage.
>non-white person trying to use white as an insult
ongo bongo ooga booga
I fucking love this track. The part at 0:43 is too good.
Mitsuda is my favorite vidya composer
for Chrono Cross alone. But Chrono Trigger and Xenogears also have damn good soundtracks.
I really wish he'd compose for more games these days.
I have no idea. It must be somewhere around Dead Man's Gulch.
Either one of these, I'm guessing:
It's a pity the screenshots aren't more helpful.
>there was a pizza promotion for XBX a few months ago
Holy fucking shit.
>could've made it downloadable like they did with the Data packs
Maybe tricky rights issues with Japanese voice cast
That gets REALLY sticky in video games; some are successful while some are not
Agreed OP, the OST on XCX is shit. The first Xenoblade had a great OST, so many comfy songs.
Hell I'm an oldfag though. I keep hopping Yasunori Mitsuda will be composing every Xeno game when when I hear them get announced.
Mitsuda's music in XC are shit though, the good ones were the ones done by ACE+
I mean, are you seriously telling me that the poor man Kingdom Hearts music is good? Fuck that, even Black tar had a memorable intro-riff before the lyrics kicked in.
>Mitsuda will never work on a full size JRPG ever again
feels pretty darn awful
Anon, you and I share similar tastes. Have you lidtened to the Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross arranged album that Mistuda and MillennialFair release about 4 months ago? Its be beautiful. Or how about bithe the arranged albums for Xenogears, Cried and Myth? Simply amazing.
I could possibly understand people being turned off by the rap in Black Tar and in NLA night, maybe even the lyrics in Uncontrollable since it's about a fucking couple arguing.
But you have unequivocally shit taste if you think the rest of the OST is bad, holy shit. Not only are the tracks themselves great but they fit the atmosphere of the places they're in almost perfectly.
I listened to some of the Trigger/Cross arranged album and thought it was alright, but a little disappointing compared to what I was hoping for. Still great though.
As for Xenogears,
I haven't beaten the game yet, so I'm gonna wait on that.
Anon, you must be a pretty young kid to not know how a good of a composer Yasunori Mitsuda is.
Go play Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, and Xenogears. Then try to tell yourself that Mistuda isn't the best vidya composer ever.
Or are the type of kiddo you can't play games with "old" graphics?
Anon, you should really listen to the whole CT/CC album. Some of the mid and later tracks are so beautifully done that they literally make me cry.
Also, yes, you need to beat Xenogears ASAP!
>resorting to old shit
nigga CT is my first RPG
and how does your post even go against mine? saying his old work is great doesn't mean his work in XC is shit
with that said outside of Termina his CC town music are all crap
But his new work is amazing anon. Have you not listened to the CT/CC arranged album that came out a few months ago, or the 2nd arranged album for Xenogears, Myth, that came out last year?
While Xenoegars is wholly his style and absolutely wondrous it's CT that hit's a perfect 100 out of 100. It's pure emotion with no fluff done by arguably the two best vidya composers that have ever walked this earth in the early phases of their careers.
Yeah go finish Xenogears
What I get from the posters here is that if someone good makes something shitty, it'd still be good despite being actual shit.
Same reason why Pixar movies that are crappy gets free pass I guess.
You just proved my point though - those arranged albums are from old compositions still.
There's a reason why you don't hear the basic battle theme in XC among the usual "arranged" music in XC, because those were the only good tunes in XC (although personally I am not a big fan of Mechanical Rhythm).
>people praise XC soundtrack like crazy
>finally play the game
>music is just okay, nothing special
Did I miss some epic new meme or what?
>But his new work is amazing anon.
This, Mitsuda is a god
Yes, It was called having taste.
Since your differs from my own it is certainly objectively wrong and therefore and obligated to instruct you to immediately kill yourself, preferably in a painful way such as self immolation or suffocation.
Glad to hear that anon. Wind Scene, Schala's Theme, The Bend of Time, and On the Other Side are my favorite from that album.
Anon, if you were actually lisren the albums then you would know that many of the songs are entirely new compositions.
Also the battle scenes for Xenogears have been on the arranged albums and they sound epic.
it's funny too
they use unrelated games composed by the same composer as a means to say that the other game is of good quality
and yet only the old songs were actually quite more memorable because they were well done
and why do you keep on bringing old games when talking about XB? you're just proving my point on how XB's OST is subpar
>tfw you'll never fly around to music like this again
No, the good songs like CODENAMEZ, THEMEX and The key we've lost (I think that's what it's called) are hidden and tucked away, only being played once while the shitty NLA and battle music is played 99% of the game.
The game has a good OST but unfortunately the shit songs are played the most often.
You'll get a lot of shit from this pleb board OP and nintenyearolds but they are most likely not familiar with how often Sawano reuses the same shitty tracks. They have most likely not even watched 20 whole animes(not including movies) so the are not familiar with his work on blue exorcist.
God I loved anytime that track started up.
>/v/ talking about music
el oh el lads
Have you faggots ever composed anything? Yeah fucking thought so, filthy plebs.
except I agree to you that XG and CT and CC have amazing music, and his arrangement are mostly good
what I AM criticizing is you needing to bring up old works just to say an unrelated game has good music
Can we fuck off about music and story for once.
NX has shoulder wheels. XCX's combat literally is suited for shoulder wheel
Left stick to control, Right stick for camera, right shoulder wheel to select arts.
XCX combat would feel fucking smooth id the dpad was on the right, but a shoulder wheel would seriously take the cake.
Also imagine not having to press a stiff d-pad to scroll a menu, but instead have an actual mouse wheel.
So much butthurt in this thread.
Funny how some people are mad that only one talentious composer was able to surpass a team of multiple composer. XC's OST isn't bad nut nowhere near as good as XCX's OST. It has a handful of good tracks drowned in a sea of "how to make generic JRPG music 101" tracks. On the other hand XCX is the most ambitious OST that was composed for a JRPG. It's full of diverse and enchanting sounds and melodies. Nothing will ever surpass Sylvalum's night theme.
>XC's OST isn't bad nut nowhere near as good as XCX's OST.
shitposting on XCX threads doesn't make those threads as XC
Pretty sure that's a thing. It's a reason why you don't have Rival Schools in PSN, for instance.
You know what, I'll be serious.
What makes that bad exactly? NLA theme isn't really offending at all. Hell, it's one of those music that fits perfectly in the game. So I'm exactly not seeing why NLA theme is considered "bad music".
Now this is criticism I agree on. I wonder what made them forget that. You'd think with all of the options available, you'd have an audio slider.
>not caring about Phog and Frye
>nor the NPCs in those missions
>So I'm exactly not seeing why NLA theme is considered "bad music".
It's just a little too bombastic desu
he's a very competent composer in his style, it's not his fault that everyone wants to hire him and people get sick of it. I think the XC soundtrack is better than the bulk of his work but it's hardly a major step-down in quality between that and XCX's.
>Phog and Frye
hey by that logic only Shulk and Fiora were the only main characters
well I dunno about me, but you certainly aren't
I'm still waiting as to why NLA city theme is bad
>tfw they go with a Mitsuda + Go Shiina combo for the next game
Sawano is a good composer, he's just bad at understanding the context the music will be used in. He writes music for the sale of writing music.
Actually it seems you need to make a shitpost thread for XCX for XC to be discussed, since if it's a usual XCX thread, the shitposting is ignored.
Hey at least Shulk is in Smash!
And so did the other characters in XC but are you seriously telling me Sharla is important? Reyn? Riki? Hell even Dunban? Only Shulk and Fiora remain relevant throughout the game.
fuck of XCfag, it's Jin Uzuki 2.0
Sure he is competent, but when you can know with two notes that it is one of his works it is as much of a boon as a bane. His work on shingeki no Kiojin is mind blowing, but having 2-3 soundtracks extremely similar can only hurt him on the long run. He needs another trick/ vibe to stay fresh.
My nigga. Mitsuda is my favorite vidya composer, but Go Shiina is underrated as hell. Tales of Legendia has one of my favorite vidya soundtracks.
The game is so close to being 10/10, but it has so many little flaws. A damn shame.
>you seriously telling me Sharla is important? Reyn? Riki? Hell even Dunban?
They actually showed up and had things to say didn't they? It's almost like they were actual main characters.
What did Phog, Hope and Frye say or do on the main story quests again, oh right nothing because they weren't part of it, like most of the characters in the game. They're what you'd call a side character.
I do wish most of your party members had more banter. But it's understandable considering how many characters are involved in this game.
Never ever sadly.
With that said, XBX ends with a prelude to some MMO like, you can be a Nopon, Ma-non, Prone, Mim, Orphe, that hazmat race, or Wrothian and explore a more colonized Mira
their importance petered out because the scale of the story kept changing beyond their scope.
Remember the original motivation to leaving Colony 9 was to avenge the "death" of countless homs at the hand of the mechon.
When the story climaxed EVERYONE but Shulk and
they sadly only interact in post battles.
Lin and Alexa talk about skell exihibitions
Yelv genuinely surprised at Nagi's language
Lao and Murderess gossiping about Irina
Hope concerned about Phog's looks
there are surprisingly a lot.
the art book proves that.
also the next game is gonna be a Xenogears revival avoiding copyright issues. Setting will be steampunk style but will have some advanced civilization. Combat will be similar to XCX, but story will be linear and have Fei-like protag. Also the man whose foot we say in ending with lao, is Space Grahf
I mean, besides how hard you're trying to analyze this like it's some /mu/-tard, you basically should have expected it when you consider the guy is known for his work in Laotian StickiFigure Slideshows. That said, he does have some great tracks in there (some of the battle themes, Sylvalum Night) but I wish he didn't use Whitaker so much. Guy's a shitty rapper.
It doesn't beat out XBC for me since that was just a power stable of dedicated vidya composers, but I can acknowledge how some people wouldn't like it since it's just generic RPG music through and through with the occasional electric guitar thrown in (usually ACE+'s work.)
The artbook is just an artbook, it means nothing.
There's an entire fucking ocean past Oblivia, Noctilum and Cauldron with an invisible wall.
Whatever is past that wall is gonna be the setting for the sequel.
You can remove Reyn from the start and nothing changes, since it's Dunban who influences most of Shulk.
Sharla's pointless and purpose is really just a plot device for a Metal Face, and even then, is already done better by Dunban and Fiora.
Riki is token.
Meila I'll give you that, has a bit more relevance than the others, but peters out after the importance of Telethia.
I like XC characters but pls don't tell me those guys are developed and enough presence
Xeno games tend to never be finished
even Xenoblade has a bit more open ended shit with Shulk
>Saga is the only shit entry in the Xeno franchise.
Literally because it's development went to hell and they had to pick up the pieces and wrap shit it. I still love the shit out of Saga ep1. Ep2 was garbage and Ep3 was them doing the best they could to wrap shit up since they original plan for the series was null in void at that point.
Kos-Mos and Telos are the best thing to come out of the Xeno games.
>Even Dunban petered out. That's my point.
Then your point is shit because they were still part of the game, they still showed up and they still had dialogue and played off eachother during the story. All the way up to the very end of the game they were still characters with things to say that other characters would respond to.
What you're arguing is that is the equivalent of the optional recruitable side characters you can get in XCX who literally do nothing and have nothing to say at all during the game's story. If you put them on your party they will not interact with the party or say or do anything during main story cutscenes. The game will act like they are not even there.
>Reyn wondering if he succedeed in protecting Shulk
>Sharla and the quest to find her lover and then dealing with him dying
>Melia wanting Shulk's dick and also having to deal with the extinction of her kind
>LOL THESE DON'T COUNT THEY DON'T GET DEVELOPED AT ALL XD
At least this isn't popular. I mean, it's basically just inverse Linkin Park in nucore shit.
Odd they made this an insert in some cutscenes and a menu theme though.
By that logic the XCX side characters are "main characters" because they banter in the battle field. That's my point, those scenes you talk about are just fluffs.
Yes actually, remove Reyn and Sharla and you wouldn't lose nothing. Heck, I'd argue it'd improve more since it'd make Dunban closer to Shulk.
I already said about Melia's importance but you faggots are only concerned abotu MUH NTRs.
>You can remove Reyn from the start and nothing changes
If he died instead of Fiora he would have been turned into another Gadolt or Mumkhar. Reyn time is fine since he is Shulk's rock of reason.
the "presence" is minimal and pretty much comparable to a banter
then why bring it up as though it's a fault of a game being compared to a game that also has the same fault?
Shit, did he write Worlds Collide?
I actually... like it.
not die, just cease to exist
imagine in the opening it was Dunban, still weak from his battle but assists Shulk around gathering parts
it also makes the whole monado drama shit at the early part less weird because the previous wielder is there to see Shulk's progress with it
>It doesn't beat out XBC for me since that was just a power stable of dedicated vidya composers, but I can acknowledge how some people wouldn't like it since it's just generic RPG music through and through with the occasional electric guitar thrown in (usually ACE+'s work.)
XBC's music is extremely good, but you're right about it's very generic RPG music. It's really good at what it does, don't get me wrong, but I really respect X's decisions to make such unique tracks for their game. X is way more hit and miss though.
I post the save thing on /a/ all the time. His compositions are shit. They're either very forgettable and flat melodies, or his signature "triple descend into EPIC LOUD CHORDS AND CHANGING!" He even has the same girl do the chanting every time.
He has absolutely no range or talent. He's the beacon of shit tier pleb taste in music, and one of the reasons I didn't buy XCX.
>By that logic
This is the second time you've said that where it's a complete fucking non-sequitur.
No by the logic that these character are main characters because they show up in the main story and have dialogue and a role in said main story that is not optional doesn't make side characters who do not into main characters because they can have a single line of unrelated party banter outside of cutscenes or the main plot.
I'm seriously starting to question your basic cognitive functions anon.
>I liked XC for it's combat
>I thought XC's story was generic, up until Alvis reveal at the end
>I had more fun actually playing XCX than XC
>I think the lore in XCX is more interesting than XC's main story
More fun for me.
See, for me, simply appearing on a cutscene and saying "whoa!" doesn't make someone important nor having a presence. They have to be more than that.
Your defense solely relies on that.
Shit like this is why I wonder why people cherish FFIX when it also suffers the same thing.
/a/non here. We've known for years now that Sawano is an overrated hack who composes nothing but unmemorable, phoned in, symphonic crap. Now you know how we feel whenever it's announced that Sawano's doing the soundtrack of another anime.
The real shame though is that Sawano used to be a great composer. The OST he composed for Gundam Unicorn was Sawano at his finest, but he peaked soon after that.
Why does Takahashi hate Mellia so much?
>Sharla says she'll help Melia win the Shulkbowl
>never followed up on
>brother turned into a Telethia and died as a failed suicide bomber
>friends and family Telethia
>Shulk too fixated on the toaster to even pay attention to Melia
>Melia had a chance to tell her her feeling but pussied out
>by endgame she is left with nothing but her dwindling subjects, a destroyed kingdom and resigned to be the High Entia fuck factory to keep her race pure from becoming death machines.
>>the "presence" is minimal and pretty much comparable to a banter
No it fucking isn't anon, not in the fucking least.
In one case you have characters interacting in the main plot saying things that the other characters respond to reacting to the situation at hand as it unfolds.
In the other you have a canned phase that repeats again and again when a battle ends that completely ignores anything that is currently happening.
In the one case you've got a character who is actually part of the story, if you just silenced out their lines it wouldn't make sense because suddenly the protagonist and antagonist would be talking to imaginary people and reacting to imaginary events.
You blink out Phog, Frye, Hope or any of the non essential characters and it changes absolutely nothing because according to the game's plot they aren't even there.
I see your point and what you're trying to say, but again, I want more substance if you want to consider the characters relevant during those.
with that said
>In the other you have a canned phase that repeats again and again when a battle ends that completely ignores anything that is currently happening.
but anon, how can it "ignore anything that is currently happening" when they react to battle, which is when they say those lines
>>Your defense solely relies on that.
Except it doesn't, my defense relies on the fact that these character are actually responded to. When they say something the other characters say something in response.
You blank them out and silence all their lines and you'd fucking notice immediately that you're missing.
Likely because unless you're deep into the game, you don't really spend a lot of time in Cauldros. I know I'm at Chapter 7 of the story (just got my skell) and Cauldros is my least explored area.
Though my party is about to hit level 50 collectively from stomping higher level beasties with the Skells. I should basically be able to just roll through the story now.
>most jrpg fans hate any music that isn't played on a piano or violin and is always soft and atmospheric.
Yeah it seems you're taking my point a bit to literal.
My point is like how I mentioned removing Reyn. Because I removed Reyn, changes are made to fit with Dunban.
In the point about "cutscene presence", obviously you'll have to change it that they will have no reference to the removed character, but the whole idea, the whole importance of that scene, is still there because, as I said, those characters are fluffs.
Something tells me at some point in the design process, you were intended to choose who Shulk goes goes with, but that was removed and the settled with Fiora since she's just pre-baked as the default romance option.
Sharla at least had the Reyn fallback. Melia just gets BTFO by the will of the Universe at every turn.
Sawano is getting tiring for me as well. Everything he does sounds the same. He's like the Japanese Jeremy Soule. Except unlike him, I can't help but to enjoy his music.
But fuck the NLA and Primordia themes. They are fucking terrible.
I really like X's soundtrack, honestly. While i prefer the original's, I think I'd rather have what we got then just the same thing again. It really does fit the theme better, and while there were a lot of songs (ie Black Tar) that I really hated at first, it's starting to grow on me. I don't even find the NLA themes to be TOO terrible,
though that may just be because I only have ~20 hours in the game.It also may help that I'v never heard any of Sawano's other work.
I like Primordia.
Is the theme generally disliked? Why?
>Probe it a lot
>THESE CUSTOMERS KEEP ORDERING PIZZA FROM ME...AND THEY KILLED MY WIFE FROM STRESS!
>CLEARLY IT IS NOT MY FAULT FOR NOT HIRING MORE PEOPLE FOR WORK OR EXPANDING MY BUSINESS!
Dude was a fucking idiot. Ma-non literally cannot comprehend the same concepts as humans, and this guy somehow had the money to upgrade a skell rather than expand his pizza business in NLA. Because other entrepreneurs CLEARLY weren't around!
Why the fuck can't we get composers like Shiro Sagisu, Susumu Hirasawa, or even Yoko Kanno to do the soundtrack for video games?
Anon I've listened to your entire argument from the beginning up until now.
You haven't made a single valid point in this entire time. You claim that the side characters in XCX are main characters because the main characters in XC had reduced impact on the plot later in the game and that party banter after a fight is equivalent to actually interacting with other characters in cutscenes during the main plot. You're also saying that if you could alter the dialogue and the plot of the entire game to remove the characters and this is your proof that they aren't main characters.
I know what you're saying and it's still retarded.
Engage the Enemy would be literally perfect if it were done with live instruments. Those synth strings are fucking bottom of the uncanny valley cancer
Sawano can ONLY produce synth garbage
I imagine it's because it's generic dinosaur music.
>the heavy brass sections
>the strings sections to embody the sprawling grassy landscapes
>how it's basically the same track but subdued at night (typical style, since Bionis' Leg does this too, so not really a valid complaint)
I like it well enough myself. It's not offensive like the NLA themes.
I get that that anon, obviously, but that's not the point he's trying to make.
What he's saying is that these characters in their current roles are not main characters and are equivalent to the plot as the characters in XCX who don't even show up in the main plotline such as Phog, Frye or Hope.
When someone says "take out a character and nothing changes", they mean that in the sense of importance to the scene, not of the lines.
That is my point - the importance of the scenes didn't require them at all.
I'm simply saying that their importance are "similar" to them right after their usual introductory arc because of how unimportant they are later on.
And yet somehow the "dinosaur" music managed to fit in the game unlike other Sawano's generic work.
>I'm simply saying that their importance are "similar" to them right after their usual introductory arc because of how unimportant they are later on.
Well you are now but this has changed from before when you claimed by that logic only shulk and fiora were main characters.
Again, thank you for admitting you were wrong, and you should have done this sooner before you spent an hour embarrassing yourself.
Area themes aren't as hard since you're given a theme and you roll with it.
Like how lava levels always have this apocalyptic and heavy sound to them.
Cauldros is no different. Though props to Oblivia having a Western Desert/wild wilderness theme.
but sometimes even the redundant piece becomes suddenly good when put on the right context
like sure, you got gaur plains which is a nice theme and all, but then primordia just feels like it has more personality because of how the music reflects the dangers the place (being near the vicinity of NLA)
>I don't know anything about music and like eating shit
I know moon. Between my PC, PS3/4, Vita and DS (just about done with my Wii) I essentially have unlimited games to play. XCX would have been the only reason I bought a WiiU, but I didn't feel like buying a console for one watered down "we want quantity over quality" bastardization of a last gen game I loved.
Agreed with OP. The worldmap songs are kind of boring. They're different, but not memorable and don't add enough WOW. If you get into Guar Plains in the first XBC, you definitely get that. One of the biggest open area's in the game where you gain a lot of freedom. The OST fits perfectly there and to never get bored of. For Sawano, I feel like there is no music at all or at the least, it doesn't stick around unless it annoys me uh yeah yeah dum di du dum and one two three four. Basically, Sawano isn't bad but as expected, he can not compose for a videogame alone. If they kept ACE+ and the other guys around, I'm pretty certain the OST would be flawless.
There is just this thing of...too much Sawano. Some mixing his style with other stuff would do great. Also, his style seemed to fit nicely on a game like Sengoku Basara. RPGs need to be done with more care though. Might just be the hardest type of game to compose due to it's dynamic/variety.
Xenoblade Chronicles X? More like
Penisblade Chronicles Sex.
Here's your (You).
Though really, it fits better if you actually see the place at night. Honestly? This destroys Mount Valak in the original.
X only has 4 areas to explore and cave shit. Although, caves music are even worse than ether mines/ tephra cave. XBC did have quite a few more area's so the one or two shitty ones are excusable to the almost all shitty ones in existance in another game.
Sylvalum > Noctilum > Oblivia > Cauldros > Primordia themes wise. I mess up in remembering the last 3 as they somehow...sound too similair. I have no complain's for Sylvalum's though. It's pretty spot on.
XCX dropped focus on engaging story for the main plot, and without that, good sidequests are pointless.
The characters aren't even remotely comparable (I don't understand the one guy in this thread pretending the main characters in XC weren't needed or didn't play a big role).
XCX focused on "bigger" world building, not better. Without interesting characters to interact with the world, it essentially amounts to a giant offline MMO: all lore with no interesting plot or interactions. Going for a broader audience was the worst thing they could have done.
Do you like Kanye OP? What about Drake? I really want to know your top 5.
Yeah, I'm sad you couldn't get the kitty chain quest guy Gi Zang and Ackwar as your party members. They're both chars with quests to make you grow on them and be dissapointed you can't get them in your party, despite capable.
I wonder how High Entia connected to X's Telethia.
I don't hate all of the tracks in XBX, but if they bring him back in their next game they need to either severely limit lyrical tracks or have him not be the only composer. Ideally both.
Yeah, they could have easily given Bozé's spot on the roster to Gi Zang.
If the Entia knew they had to mix their blood with Homs, why didn't they make more effort towards that? Barely anyone in Colony 6 or 9 believed they existed, they were just holed up on their own city and never really mingled.
It doesn't make any sense. Telethia can't exist without some HE body.
It's just a nod, like how the Nopon are there, mention two races fighting each other with giant weapons, and the
Legendary Nopon Blade
There are nods to the other Xeno games, but since this is a blade-line, and XBC being the most recent, it gets the most nods.
Fcuk, I love Engage the Enemy, it's such a great track! It fits so well in the moments it is used, the climax is absolutley amazing and I love having that song in smash bros. Add the voice acting which I think it's pretty good for JRPG standards and the scenes are absolutely amazing, also, Riki's voice in japanese makes me sick, I really like how they gave him a strange cute but aged creature feel in english, kind of like a creature from Star Wars or some shit instead of a KAWAII UGUU VOICE.
"It isn't over until the fat baby sings!"
>finish chapter 3
[b]IF YOU ARE ROUSING YOUR WIFE[/b]
[b]YOU NEED SOME PROTECTION[/b]
[b]REYN TIME GET YOU[/b]
[b]WHATEVER YOU GO[/b]
Beta enough he shows up all the other BLADEs who can't do what he can. Like basically everyone who's not Elma's team is saying he's badass for elbowing his way into dangerous missions like that when no one else will.
Even Nagi handpicked him in that short story before the game.
I suddenly got reminded of this son of a bitch, nearly had a heart attack because of it
both Sawano and go shina need to stop adding vocals to their tracks
but I felt sorry for sawano it's damn hard to top Xenoblade Chronicles OST
just listen to go shina cringe worthy shit
and compare it to this
Persona composer too need stay away from the vocals. any track without vocals there are god tier
>Persona composer too need stay away from the vocals. any track without vocals there are god tier
>before chapter 5
>WE ARE ALL HUMAN GOTTA BE CAREFUL JUST IN CASE WE DIE!
>aftet chapter 5
>lol who the fuck cares? We are just mims. If we destroy this mim then we will just upload you to another mim
Then how can people actually die if everyone is a fucking mim? What shitty fucking writing
What do Lao and Murderess say about Irina.
Also you forgot the best one with Alexa and Hideo.
A: Why did I see you doing push-ups in front of Commander Vandham the other day?
HB: Because I wanted to remind him which one of us had the endurance for the long haul
That should've been NLA's day theme.
>If we destroy this mim then we will just upload you to another mim
What? Just keep playing the game and avoid these threads for spoilers please, and that was only supposed to be possible if they found the core.
I don't think XBX's music is that bad. It gives the game its own identity.
Sound mixing during cutscenes needs to be improved htough. No reason for the music to drown out what characters are saying.
i'd take that over shonen shit from XC.
also chapter 5 is literally more complex than the entireity of XC. Untill the bomb that hits in chapter 11~12.
I judge XCX on chapters 5, 6, 11 and 12. If those chapters didn't exist, I'd agree XCX had shit story.
How many fucking playables does this game have?
Storyline I have gotten Cross, Lin, Elma, Lao, L, Doug, Gwin, and Iriina.
For side characters I've gotten H.B., Yelv, Alexa, and Frye.
I know about Phog, Nagi, and Murderess.
How many fucking characters are in this game?
>tfw the next sequel will never have a Shulk guy
I'm not really feeling it anymore.
11 and 12 are definitely the best chapters story-wise. There's a noticeable leap in quality in cutscene direction and themes. They also simmer down on the eating Tatsu jokes. Too bad the whole game isn't like them, and it ends soon afterwards.
I like Frye and Alexa's
Frye: Hey Alexa, you ever gonna get it up over something besides Skells?
Alexa: Whatever. The only things you ever talk about are booze and your brother
what is xenogears disk 2
what is xenosaga 2
gf gets killed
boy gets magical sword for revenge
magic sword is actually evil god
boy kills evil god
world goes back to normal
I'm guessing you are one of those faggots that think Melia's character development is the entire story of XC.
Pretty sure this is a traffic violation.
There's also Bozo, Celica, Phog, and
I like Alexa, but the game just made it so fun to bully her in her first affinity quest, you can pick the option to tease her like 5 times in one cutscene.
Make sure you take the dosage as required.
Is this a new maymay or something? Sawano is great, Black tar is best song since Keiichi Okabe's Shadowlord.
>Lets take a minute and count how many worthwhile quests exist in XC, outside of main story.
>Nopon Drug quest
If we're talking about side quest scope, one can argue the side quests involving the Definians are one gigantic side plot
Which one is the memesword? I'm playing as Bastion Trooper. So much of the time my character is doing nothing.
>let gatling fire
>let shield swing
>respond to soul voice
Nothing feels exciting about the combat. The world is interesting but the fighting is dull.