iirc, Vaati's sole drive was abusing Ezlo's powers from that capffor his own means just because he wouldn't let him use it; cursing Ezlo in the process.
he's no Ganondorf on the evil scale, but still quite a shithead
Amada wasn't right at all!
It's not like humanity is dying of some mysterious illness, he just wanted to turn everybody into robots just because
And while I think it's wrong to go around exterminating those half robot children, it was wrong to make them in the first place
The only main villain to do something wrong in MGS was Volgin.
SkullFace wanted to stop Zero from creating the Patriots A.I. and even Soft Hardman had a decent purpose with deterrence.
Did you even play the games?
Game would have been infinitely better if we could have sided with her.
>active genocide on a huge part of the populous
>the humans do nothing but bask in their robot-maintained paradise
He was a real hero of MGS2
Nothing. He was right about everything he said.
Everyone was so happy in the genjutsu he did nothing wrong.
Coldman was going to shoot nukes though. I don't remember what was the first target, but the second was MB. All sorts of things would've gone bad if the first target was shot.
Are you trying to imply that the plot of the Gen III isn't bad?
>The first time he didn't know
>The second time was because he couldn't get that underaged pussy
That's all he did
All the others were done by Govener dude, since he was freaking out about his power, and Adachi just told him he could save people by pushing them in.
Top Kekman wanted to to use the peace walker system to make everyone afraid to use nukes, since PW would then fire back immediately. His plan hinged on the US gov not firing their nukes in response to the fake nuke signals, hoping that they wouldn't have the guts to push the extinction button.
the idea was to use waves to destroy civilication on land so that mroe natural areas woudl go back to pokemon habitats rather than cities, team qua was hippies if anything but they did nt want to improve the water mass of the earth.
team magma wanted the opposite with increasing landmass so that huamnity could continue to flourish, it had nothign to do with drying up the sea, it was about rising the land aboe FROM the sea
This, except I thought Yado was dead for a long time since you don't get to truly see him in Joyful
Unless you played Joyful you wouldn't know
Dr. Yado is the trumpet guy in Painful
Which I think is the only thing Painful got right. Yado is just a god looking over the destruction he's caused.
He was going to make america great again
that doesn't matter
he could right about everything but he did incredibly wrong things
>Freedom becoming more & more dead
Truly, he was just ahead of the game.
X was already dead and Ciel was out of Passys.
But it's symbolic, X that fought for humans keeping the reploids down, becoming a mere seal in his service turned to scrap for the new age of the machine. Then Zero fucked it up and not allowing humanity to get annihilated.
This is a legitimate good pick for this topic.
He may have become a hero of sorts, but damn one had to remember that he killed billions of humans. You could blame it on religion, but it still happened.
By the logic that monsters were driven underground in the first place for a reason.
By the logic that she was being trapped there and treated like a family dog.
By the logic that being near goatfamily will fill anyone with a murderous rage. I mean, christ, spend 30 seconds at /vg/
Well no, he was just your rival. Hell, he had more moral justification than some other rivals, since he was simply trying to make friends and obviously didn't know how far off the rails Ghetsis was.
To be fair half the characters in the game did want to just outright kill you with no remorse. Asgore, Mettaton, Muffet and Flowey especially. Toriel wouldn't have hesitated to burn you to a crisp. Undyne hunted you in Frisk mode and Chara was just defending himself there. If the game was only those bosses, Chara wouldn't even be evil. It would just be a standard RPG. The only boss who actually did nothing wrong was Papyrus.
The same could be said of Captain Olimar though.
With more pillaging loot from everything he murders for profit and enslaving locals to murder for him.
Half the shit you kill in Pikmin wouldn't even pursue you more than 5 feet.
>a patriot who desperately wants to strengthen the military power of his own small country after witnessing hell
>was brainwashed and tricked into commencing a coup
>fully redeems himself in a sequel and becomes a playable character in 3rd, being one of the strongest party members to boot
He wasn't enslaving them, the Pikmin were retarded as fuck and needed someone to guide them. Meanwhile Olimar needed help with getting the ship repaired.
Olimar was able to go back and the Pikmin learned to work together.
Don't know about the other games.
Breen's actions were necessary for the Combine to not wipe out humanity on first contact, but he needed to die to allow humanity to gain ground again. If Freeman hadn't started an uprising, the planet would have been a dystopian shithole for decades, maybe centuries, before the entirety of the populace was converted or dead.
They wouldn't keep us as slaves forever, we're not as useful as the striders or whatever they used for gunships. They'd have just stripmined the planet and left us dead.
Also he's a dumbass for not realising how powerful the gravity gun was during the last sequence.
>Putting the maniacal AI whose sole purpose was to wipe out humanity then torture the remainders for eternity
Yeah sure, that's morally fine.
He doesn't even reproduce or support other lifeforms, he literally doesn't have a purpose besides being a butthurt asshole.
>Honoured his deal and brought back Mono when he didn't have to.
>Brought Agro back to life (most likely, it was a long fall) because he could.
>Possibly even restored life to Wander as best he could.
He really didn't do anything wrong.
just because he's a horned entity with a black aura around him doesn't mean he needs much more to be a good guy.
I'm sure reviving the girl was a lot of trouble considering he didn't even manage to kill 3 idiots at the state he was.
He's a good dindu, just wanted to help his people.
You saying you didn't notice the biblical undertones?
>Dormin is Nimrod backwards. Nimrod was a monarch mentioned in the book of Genesis. He ordered the construction of the Tower of Babel.
>The building Wander departs from to slay each colossus is a ruined tower
>Nimrod was, for the crime of false worship, torn into pieces which were scattered into all the corners of his kingdom, as a warning of what such heresy begets
>In the Divine Comedy, Nimrod is described as a "dark titan" in hell, and he can only speak in gibberish
Remove Huey and the list will be good. And why is Caim even there? He's not a fucking villain. Sure, he loves to murder, but so it happened that he was murdering eldritch abominations not innocent people.
>fulfilled his promise
>the reason he was sealed was solely because of how powerful he was
You also have to remember that the colosi were anything but natural. The Colosi are man-made and are now "beautiful and innocent creatures" that people who never play the game claim they are
>Peace after death
Someone didn't play Chapter 22
Hades did everything wrong
That's what is so great about him but at least he didn't constantly lie to himself like Viridi
Another piece of dialogue people often seem to forget about is at the end when Dormin possesses Wander's body.
He says something like he's "borrowing" it, certainly something that implies he was going to give it back.
He wasn't making a break for it in Wander's body, he was doing the best he could to fight off the humans who he knew were going to re-seal him and likely kill Wander and Mono if he didn't stop them.
Yes, he said "borrowed" in the cutscene. I'm surprised that after all these years someone actually finally noticed that Dormin wasn't necessary the evil. The people that showed up looked like ignorant fanatics to me instead, seeing how they callously executed Wander even though he showed no inclination to fight them.
>That entire castle segment
Jesus, it felt like something out of the Manga. N's basically Yellow when you get down to brass tacks.
Dormin is most definitely evil. I don't care how honorable he is, but you simply don't get sealed away in sixteen pieces in an uninhabited land if you didn't do something pretty terrible to earn it.
Dormin is a being with power over death, he was likely sealed simply because the humans believed him unholy or his powers challenged their own religious creed.
While he looks the part of a death god and his essence has a negative affect on Wander's health (turning black, as he did), that's hardly Dormin's fault and there's nothing in the game to suggest he's malicious- he seems quite reasonable if not kind to Wander, depending on how you interpret certain things.
I regard people who come out of SotC thinking Dormin was an evil entity who tried to trick Wander (of whom I've met more than one) as simply having not been paying attention.
I never played the game, but I saw he reside into the tree is because the Owl was giving a home for its children then Ori ended up killing him and the children. Basically all this time it was defending itself in a sense.
He might not have tricked Wander, but that doesn't make him any less evil. That just makes him openly evil.
Him telling Wander that continuing down this path means that he will be corrupted and die does not excuse the fact that he corrupts and possesses Wander in the end.
The Devil is the Devil, even if he introduces himself to you as such.
Except that he didn't corrupt and kill him, the humans at the shrine did. Death is the nature of his power. It's like complaining that you have burned your hand because you stuck it in the fire. Wander was willing to jump into the fire for the sake of that girl and so he got burned. Doesn't make Dormin The Devil.
And I'm saying that a non-evil entity wouldn't have agreed to Wander's plan to throw his life away like that.
Dormin saw a chance to break free and took it. He kept his promise to resurrect Mono, but it was of little joy to Wander, who was already dead by that time.
Dormin's reasons to help were completely selfish.
Basically it went like this
owl had babies. Ori's tree dad was so concerned with finding Ori that he put on that huge light show that was actually super dangerous to living beings (hence Ori's adopted mom hurrying him inside when it started). The Lightshow killed all the baby owls that had hatched. To protect her last baby, mama owl killed all the tree things because for all she knew the had just murdered her babies for fun.
He wasn't even the villain of the story. Just because you fight him doesn't mean he's the villain. The villains of the story are Chara and Flowey, they are the main antagonists.
Every MGS main villain, Skully included, had their own motives that they thought were the right things to do morally
Volgin and Huey are the only ones who were in it 100% for personal gain
Being able to take his side and murder my squad was a pleasant surprise.
>guy breaks through forbidden territory with girl and starts annoying you to revive her
>you even tell him that he won't get to actually live with her if this works
>he still accepts it
He was completely neutral, saying he's evil proves you to be a fool and nothing else.
He didn't intend to corrupt him, as >>324021384 says
And, as said in >>324019697, >>324020272, I think it was pretty apparent he was going to give Wander his body back and only possessed him because it offered the best chance of survival for not just himself, but Wander and Mono as well.
I believe that restoring Wander to life as a child was Dormin's final act for Wander: the best he could given Wander's corrupted body.
>Going along with the boy's plan kills him
>If you were moral, you would ignore his pleas
>Instead, help him kill himself because you want to use his body to break free
He's evil. Just accept it, anon.
Tell me, /v/, how good were Carmack's games once Romero left?
You're ignoring evidence.
Why did he say he was "borrowing" Wander's body?
Why did he revive Mono and possibly Agro and Wander as well?
Why did he warn Wander against what he was planning on doing?
If someone is informed of what fate awaits them and they still want to go through with it, it's not immoral if that also happens to benefit you.
And what astonishingly neutral act caused him to be split up into sixteen pieces and sealed away in an uninhabited land?
You can try to imply it was simple fanaticism, but judging by the priest's reaction to him being free, there's a very good chance that him getting out of the forbidden land would be a very bad thing indeed.
I would say Moon Presence and Orphan of Kos from Bloodborne both qualify. MP keeps Gherman prisoner but at the same time he's helping mankind with the Hunter's Dream, which seems to illustrate that he is generally sympathetic towards humans.
But he didn't want to kill Wander, he merely warned that his death was a pretty distinct probability.
Wander's body had to be used as a vessel to transport Dormin's essence back to the temple and that stuff ain't healthy.
And in the end, Wander didn't die. Possibly, depending on how you interpret it, because Dormin brought him back to life.
But going along with it knowing that you will kill the person (even if they claim to want it) does.
Also, there's zero evidence that it was Dormin who caused any of the revivals at the end. If anything, I would say that the well was responsible for it all.
There's no evidence to suggest that Dormin would have done evil deeds if he were freed.
The priest and his confederates were the violent, murderous ones.
It was apparent in the narrative they were religious zealots, it's not much of a leap to conclude their people likely sealed Dormin because they found his existent at odds with their religious beliefs.
He's like a pagan deity in the face of Christianity. Not evil, but an entity they found blasphemous.
Yeah, it sucked and sucked hard.
Eidos succumbed to the dotcom craze and let him turn the office into a playground without putting any real measures on productivity or progress.
It didn't help that what Romero was trying to do at the time just wasn't there in terms of technology and AI.
You're working on assumptions now.
There's as much of a chance of Dormin being sealed for mere religious reason as much of him being actually a evil being that brings destruction.
With what we actually have to work on, he's neutral.
So facilitating someone's wish to die in order to save a loved one is evil?
And denying someone's overpowering desire to bring back a loved one when you have the power to grant it is correct?
Wander chose freely.
If it was for mere religious reasons, why would they go to such lengths with it? (SIXTEEN fucking pieces, all sealed into a guardian golem)
You don't do something that drastic just due to religious dogma, there had to be some risk that Dormin posed to the world around him, whether it was an intentional one or not.
No, he's neutral. Dormin didn't trick Wander and didn't force him to keep going. He was completely honest about the fact that shit could end badly. The fact that he gets freed as a bonus doesn't make him evil
You can try to imply it was simple fanaticism, but judging by the priest's reaction to him being free, there's a very good chance that him getting out of the forbidden land would be a very bad thing indeed.
Well Dormin was probably gonna go wreck the shit of the guy who imprisoned him
>Brainwashed soldiers of the army
>Brainwashed soldiers of the union
>Kids that almost got Leonard's pedo ass kiled because he was doing the religious shit
Stop. No one is fucking innocent in Drakengard, except for the fucking farmers and peasants and the worst Caim did to those was kick an elf in frustration.
>You don't do something that drastic just due to religious dogma
Can you even read what you're saying? People today, in this reality kill themselves and murder others by the hundreds if not thousands for religious reasons. It's not a far stretch to assume that binding someone by using magic macguffins could be done because of religious fundamentalism. That and the whole "girl with a cursed fate, let's leave her to die in the infertile lands because that's what we should do". If that doesn't raise any red flags about how correct and peaceful the religion of Wander's people is, I don't know what will.
He didn't trick Wander, but he also didn't refuse to help him on the grounds that it would kill him.
He practically agreed to assist with Wander's suicide, and the reason he agreed to do that is because it would allow him a chance to free himself. We don't know if he actually even kept his end of the bargain as there is no way to demonstrate what ended up resurrecting Mono.
The sealing itself is not the thing that's hard to believe to be fanaticism, but the degree of it and the measures taken are far too heavyhanded for there to be no reason for it other than religious zeal.
He was sealed in SIXTEEN fucking pieces for GAMEPLAY purposes.
If he was sealed in less it would be a pretty shitty game.
And you don't even know how hard it was to split him in 16 pieces, so there's no way to know if it was a major thing or not.
As I said, this is just "maybe they had a good reason and he's actually evil", from what we've seen him in the game, he's neutral.
There's no reason to believe otherwise, right now we're just arguing fan work that could just as much be that he was sealed for being a good guy as a he was sealed for being a evil guy.
Satan is just doing his thing bringing about the apocalypse in a timely manner. Then some asshole shows up and murders everything in sight.
Some quirks about the game:
-This game had bullet time before Max Payne made it famous
-If you click and hold in the game menu, it will reveal the signatures of one of the developers (this was before anybody realized how bad of an idea this was)
FUCKING MOBIUS ONE.
EURSIA WAS SUPPOSE TO WIN.
YELLOW 4 WAS SUPPOSE TO BE ALIVE.
>he's evil because he assisted Wander's "suicide" and he only wanted to be free!
He agreed to it because he couldn't really do much else.
What would he do? "I'm not going to help you no matter what because I might get freed and that would be bad?"
God fucking damnit.
If you were in his situation and this guy came asking to ressurect someone and the only way you could do it was if you were unsealed, and the only way you can be liberated is if you take over his body, he agrees with that idea anyway, because he's willing to do anything for her, you would be evil for going through with that?
What kind of fucked up moral compass is that?
I'm saying that if he really wasn't evil or at the very least morally ambiguous, then killing someone for his freedom, even if it was an unintended side effect, would not sit well with him.
And you're failing to understand that it was a request.
He didn't kill anyone for his freedom, it wasn't the objective of their pact.
It was the only way to bring Mono back to life, and anyone could see that Wander was willing to go through anything for her.
It wasn't a "I'm going to kill you".
He never tried to trick Wander in any way or form, he was completely honest about it.
Do you know why sealed ancient evil and demons never keep their part of the promise and are always lying when unsealed in histories and such?
Because they're evil.
This bullshit again?
You know Wander did go directly to him for a reason right?
So it's obvious that Dormin did have ressurecting powers.
Now even through there's enough proof that Dormin was the one responsible for doing it, We will keep trying to pin it on a well for no good reason just to say he's evil.
If Dormin was just trying to get himself free, he could certainly have tried to sweet talk Wander about actually losing his body, but he never did.
And once again, everything points toward Dormin being neutral.
Again, it being a request does not absolve the party that agrees to honor that request.
If someone asks you to help to kill themselves and you agree instead of trying to talk them to back out of it, that's morally dubious.
And no, "You know this will kill you, right?" does not count as a try to talk someone down.
That doesn't make the one who agrees to carry out that request evil. It is being done for the greater good - in this case resurrection of the girl. You said it yourself. It's morally dubious aka morally gray area. And don't you think trying to talk someone down who stole a sacred relic and came into cursed lands and will be punished with death for his transgressions, if he is caught, a silly idea?
You keep spewing that as if Dormin just killed Wander for no good reason as if he was asked to murder him and he did, but it wasn't that.
He did that for a reason, it was the only way to SAVE someone. someone dear to Wander.
You better not go on about Dormin not actually ressurecting mono again.
None of the great ones can be applied normal morals. That being said MP is the only great one we know of who is hostile to other great ones which makes it the most evil I'd say given the great ones are supposed to somewhat care for humans. Everything else horrible that happens is humans fault for messing with things they can't understand and killing beautiful mother kos.
Also poor gherman just wants someone to save him.
The whole point of SotC is that Wander is a lovestruck retard that cannot let go of Mono and makes a pact with a dubious deity in an attempt to rescue her, losing everything in the process.
The scene at the very end where you can keep holding on but can not actually get to Mono delivers this point home. You can keep holding on as long as you want to, but eventually you have to let go, just as Wander has to let go of Mono.
With that in mind, it doesn't make sense for Dormin to be anything but evil, because then Wander's pact with him isn't as meaningful in context of the themes in the game.
The point the game tries to relay is that love makes us do retarded things, such as make a pact with an ancient evil, even if we know that it's an incredibly bad idea, and that in the end, it's best to come to terms with loss and let go.
That's why Dormin being a neutral being that is simply helping Wander just because does not work, because that wouldn't highlight the desperation of Wander as well as him being evil.
That was the point of the game for you? really?
Actually getting your love back to life, just as you wished for while losing your body as you know it would happen is a "retarded things, and a incredible bad idea"?
What are you even trying to say? That it was completely rational for Wander to want to die/lose his body for a mere chance that Mono might live again, even though he could not share in that joy?
All of it was grief-fueled desperation, an insane bid for something that is out of mortal hands.
>Out of mortal hands
>Clear evidence of magic existing
>He could hear Mono stir the closer he came to killing all of the colossi and calling his name
Keep digging that hole. Maybe you should take your own advice and let go, because you've lost this argument.
Considering the things he did for Mono, he was almost certainly going to die anyway and he managed to save her as he wanted.
This is as good as SotC could have ended.
If in YOUR OPINION, that was stupid and retarded, because he didn't get to live with her (that is wrong as well because baby Wander from well), that still doesn't mean anything about Dormin being evil.
Yes, that is as good as the game could have ended because the point was that Wander couldn't let go and continue on with his life after Mono died. Then at the end he finally realizes that he can't keep clinging to Mono and, both figuratively and literally, lets go.
The fact that his endeavors actually paid off (which is a pretty generous way of putting it) is irrelevant to the message of the story, which is that love drives us to do crazy things because we do not want to accept loss. Even though Mono and Wander both lived on, they cannot return to what they had before.
They never wanted to return to what it was before.
Wander knew it would never go back to what it was before, he just wanted to save the love of his life, and he did.
You're taking that message of the story out of your ass and it doesn't even make sense, considering he actually did get to live with her once again, which is more than he ever asked for.
So you're saying that without thinking how she would feel about it, Wander wanted to resurrect Mono at the price of his own life, possibly condemning her into a life of misery without him?
She tried to purge the world of androids so that she could resurrect humanity
Yes, Wander did.
And not only he went through with that, but he also got to live together with her as a baby.
If the idea of this game was to give the player a message that making a pact with a deity that will get you killed was just plain wrong and stupid, Mono wouldn't have lived, Aggro would have died, and Wander wouldn't have turned back into a baby.
Good thing it didn't, because now that would be stupid.
And good thing there's no ressurecting deity parts scattered through a forbidden land in form of giant colossus so people don't try to ressurect their lovers in exchange of their own in real life.
Also, did I say this was a game? so it doesn't necessarily have a "message" in it.
And you don't think that was selfish and a sign of lack of good judgment on Wander's part? Like, you know, the actions of a desperate man ready to do anything to hold on to what he has lost, in hopes of getting it back.
The fact that it worked doesn't mean that it wasn't foolish and pretty much gambling.
It was a reckless decision? obviously it was, if there wasn't any danger with it, then it would have 0 impact, it wouldn't be a compelling story at all.
It's the only reason we're even having this argument.
As I said before, If YOU thought it was a bad call on Wander's part, and that you wouldn't do it, good for you, you're rational.
To think this all started with Dormin's morality in question.
>Mono wouldn't have lived, Aggro would have died, and Wander wouldn't have turned back into a baby.
That's the point. Accepting loss means that you come to terms with never seeing whoever you lost again.
Not him, but I think 'reckless' is a bad word for it.
It wasn't a gamble because he didn't really have anything to lose.
If he was going to be without Mono either way, there's nothing left but to try and run the risk of failure.
I think everyone interested in the discussion should read this article on the matter. It highlights the points I am trying to make in a much more poignant way.
To quote it as a response to your points;
>It goes without saying that all of these losses could have been avoided if Wander simply gave up on his quest. In fact, there is nothing in particular that makes the progression through the story necessary. Wander is not saving the world, and no further harm would befall anyone if he walked away. All of the suffering – the obvious pain and struggle attached to the hunt and assault, the destruction of relatively harmless or isolated creatures of great beauty and scale, the bodily deterioration of Wander, the loss of Agro – all of this could be avoided if the quest was given up. On top of this, Wander’s quest is to do something that the game has repeatedly reminded us, through Emon, Dormin, and even Wander’s own dream, is unnatural and outside of normal possibility. Wander could choose to accept Mono’s loss and move on. Wander could let go. But he does not. Instead, he pushes himself through immense suffering and enormous destruction, all in the name of clinging to the hope of defying death, all to hold on to Mono. In contrast to the game’s demand that the player learn when he must let go, the avatar the player inhabits fails to learn this lesson and desperately holds on despite everything that indicates the quest should be let go.
And? he didn't do that, accept Mono's loss, and still succeded in what he wanted and some more.
Because this was a love story just like many others out there, the protagonist often do reckless decisions in favor of his love.
If the message was to show that it was pointless and idiotic to do so, Dormin would have been, yes, a evil god and Mono wouldn't have been ressurected.
The end result is of little concern to the actions taken in the here and now, though. Wander had no way of knowing what would happen if he chose to do Dormin's bidding.
At that moment, it was stupid and reckless. The fact that it paid off was just a fluke.
it was, I never once said Wander was being rational fighting those 16 colossus.
and it paid off.
Why? because it's just a love story.
It's not trying to prove a point.
That's why the "fluke" happened.
This is a very pointless paragraph, because as soon as the game starts Wander is already in a situation that it is pointless to just "let go", as he has already stolen a sacred relic and trepassed on forbidden land, he would have been killed anyway.
letting go of the quest at the game's place was the worst decision he could have made.
>but he needed to die to allow humanity to gain ground again
you really think Earth ate the entire alien army?
kill him, push them back, they'll come again, and won't let buildings standing after this
Had he simply left after placing Mono's body on the altar, I doubt Emon and his goons would have killed him. The only reason they attacked him in the game at all is because he was already too far gone at that point.
Mithos was a beta that couldn't do anything without his sister paddling him on the back. instead of trying to understand people or take responsibility for his fuck ups, he decided it would be better to create one master race that was doom to fail.
It just a assumption.
They were clearly armed to kill, maybe they had assumed Wander would manage to go through killing the Colossus? Yes, maybe.
But just as much it could have been that they came armed to kill him for what he had already done.
if anything, the mc was the one in the wrong. chose pussy instead of his bro.
he fights for the freedom of his people. nothing wrong with that.
>Trying to save your village and the world from crumbling away into nothing
>Stupid kids think you're trying to take over the world because of what some senile old man said about the elemental stars
Only in ORAS though. ORAS did a good job of improving Aqua's and Magma's motivations, in the original games they were flat out retarded and nonsensical.
ORAS Aqua is a better example of Pokemon villains who did nothing wrong since N isn't even a villain. Fucking hippie pirates.
He only wanted to survive. You'd have done the same
but only if you didn't have a freind like Grovyle.
If it wasn't for their brutish methods, you'd be absolutely right.
hell, they could have explained their findings, convinced other adepts to join them, like they did with Alex, and they probably would have defeated Isaac with the help of other people assisting them
The fact that they went full anti-hero about it was fucking dumb
I was surprised at how I managed to go through the whole thing while hating the mc from start to finish, his whiny attitude is really irritating and the only time he showed a backbone it was to steal someone's daughter and fucked over his friends hopes and dreams because of muh love.
>the last Pokémon games came out in 2014
>it's the current year and a new game has not even been announced
Cow-Cow was a villian and a monster who ruined China for countless years. Now Dong Zhuo, that's someone who did literally nothing wrong and was a victim of Shu propaganda.
now if only we had a game that perfectly showed what Saturos and Menardi were doing throughout Golden Sun
I mean yeah, we saw them at some major events, but I feel we missed a ton of things they did.
It would be nice to see what they, Felix, and Alex thought of during these events
>Giygas LITERALLY wanted to doom the world to ten thousand years of darkness, he was LITERALLY driving everyone crazy
>Hires an incompetent fat baby as his right-hand man
>Gets beaten by the Power of Friendship™
Giygas did EVERYTHING wrong.
Althena was fucking stupid for essentially abandoning the world.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, what if the real cause of all the bad shit that happened was actually Kraden being a tired old man?
>No, you crazy old man, don't lean against those trees that look suspiciously like people-- goddammit, you knocked them over!
>Kraden, no, don't lean against that rock-- GOD FUCKING DAMNIT YOU GERIATRIC FOOL YOU CAUSED A ROCKSLIDE, I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY
>dis nigga caused the end if existence
By killing himself? Besides world deserves such a fate, because for some reasons. Spoiler there are no other way to stop Evil God from human slavery.
Fine, here are non-edgelord villains who weren't really evil. A bunch of jovial 'pirates' who genuinely wanted to help Pokemon, they were just really misguided.
>Toriel wouldn't have hesitated to burn you to a crisp.
She starts intentionally missing if you get to low health, and lets you kill her. The only way to die against Toriel is to TRY to, since you have to chase down her bullets, which RUN AWAY FROM YOU.
Freedom always comes at a cost
Humans are not always good or evil. A "god" is there to keep us in check. If we decide our own fate, we can choose Oblivion or Paradise.
sometimes we need guidance. Sometimes we need someone to keep us in check. Or maybe sometimes the entire world should not be shaped by one man or woman. Caius tried this. forsaking balance in all things for his own dream to come into fruition, or end fate as we know it.
Fuck it, he was selfish. He fought for his own freedom, which got everyone else involved as well.
>He fought for his own freedom
He just don't wanted to be a someone's bitch, because he watched end of the world and suffered many death of his friends. That was a Evil God work to be honest. So he decided enough is enough and kill a God and take freedom for mankind.
literally tried to save the Universe
>kill a god and take freedom for mankind
Except the method he used involved killing the entire human race in the process, should he fail, which he did.
Besides, wasn't the world tied to the existence of the evil god in the first place? Wouldn't killing him still bring nothing but destruction? But hey, at least everyone died free.
Everyone now live on Earth thanks to him, with no evil gods.
>Besides, wasn't the world tied to the existence of the evil god in the first place?
Evil God was a cunt he wanted to rape Lightning and eresed human feelings. Unforgivable.
so let me get this perfectly straight
Evil God died, allowing people who were there when this idiot died to Rewrite the world, making something new for people to live in
That's fine, but...
What you're perfectly fine with is; allowing someone who is CLEARLY mentally unstable, under the influence of love, and has some pretty bad anger issues, to rewrite a new world for people to live in?
Yeah, nothing could possibly go wrong there
>allowing someone who is CLEARLY mentally unstable, under the influence of love
Caius has no choice, he can't die because Jul won't let him. Also he only watched for a dead souls with Jul and only.
I don't see what you're talking about, unstable assholes always make the best, most stable universes that everyone can enjoy in peace and harmony!
Killing all of the monsters would be self defense. Yes, even Toriel. She tries to hold you captive to fill the emotional gap of her lost son. When you ask if you can go home she replies " This is your home now. " Replace every monster with a human and you'll see why Chara, genocide , and neutral route Frisk did nothing wrong. Everyone attacks you either to kill you or beat you into submission.
You can't die, evil god torturing humans and killing them all over and over again. Someone's need to stop this. What will you do on his place?
If anyone on that list deserves to be nuked from orbit, it's him. I'm still mad about it.
He just wanted to save the city.
Only exists because Chara was evil to begin with and wanted to go on a murderous rampage in both the Underground and the surface
Thought that you had killed many spiders by stepping on them, and apologizes when she realizes that you hadn't
As Toriel states, he only does this in hopes that no more humans will come down there so that they don't have to suffer. And he's certainly remorseful for making this decision.
Like another anon says, she actually starts missing and won't kill you.
This guy actually does want to kill you, BUT that's only because he believes that if Asgore kills you, he'll go to the surface and start killing humans. Mettaton wants to protect humanity by having only to kill one.
A pretty obvious one.
He's just trying to protect Olympus from Kratos, a corrupt god who's abusing his power and shows no appreciation for what the gods did for him. While the gods did use Kratos in a way, they had arguably good intentions.
Black and White (and the 2nd games) were the only pokemon games I skipped over. Were they any good?
Why do you post that as a gif?
Ghesis formed Team Plasma, and raised N while misleading him about the outside world, telling him that all Pokemon were unhappy and people abused them. He only let him play with Pokemon which were abused by their trainers, and basically raised him in a bubble. Because of this N grew up thinking he had to save all Pokemon from people.
N was a figure head in reality, he was something to make the movement seem legitimate and real, because the one leading the movement was genuine, even if the rest of it wasn't
Because N was genuine, he was able to get the legendary dragon to help him out as well in stealing all the Pokemon in the world, and because he had the legendary dragon backing him up, people were inclined to believe him and think his cause was pure and righteous. Because of this fact, people started giving up their Pokemon willingly. The plan was that by the end of this, only Team Plasma would have Pokemon, and they could then be Nazis.
However Ghesis made one miscalculation in this plan; when N traveled around the world trying to fuck people up and call them all evil for abusing Pokemon, he did end up talking to the pokemon on the road, and especially with the MC's pokemon. He realized they weren't abused, they weren't mistreated, they weren't unhappy, so he started to be confused what it all meant.
Also because MC awakened the other dragon, he was seen as just as legitimate as N; therefore they fought, and only the one who won could be called correct in their ideals in a sense. Because battle is a way of confirming your way of life and ideals, as you stake everything and your heart within your actions.
By the time of the final battle, N already started to wonder if maybe he was wrong about it all, but he wouldn't reconsider until you fought him all out, and he could realize if it really was the case.
You could make a game about that premise except its the protagonist who wants that and you wouldnt call him a villain, hell im sure there is already a game where the hero fucks over countless innocent people just to get a loved one back
And those androids are the entire fucking human race, the last full human died 100 years before the game started, everyone has robot implants or is a cyborg, what she is trying to do is basically genocide the entire world and then maybe resurrect humans again.
I thought you would never ask
Makes plenty of sense.
A scant few hundred years ago, blasphemy was punishable by death. It was absolutely about keeping power in the church and making sure your illiterate commoners stayed ignorant, fearful and obedient. The church was the highest authority, even the king/whatever was not above it, and they often worked closely together for the benefit of the royalty and the clergy. The church existed to keep the system the way it was, to keep the rich rich and the poor poor.
So something like an all-powerful Demi-God that contradicts the scripture you're using to suppress your serfs and commoners arises, you stamp it out to keep the status quo, to keep your carefully balanced system of exploitation in place. If the populace is lead to believe the scripture is false, the system breaks down and the powerful are no longer in power, the money and luxury cease.
>BUT that's only because he believes that if Asgore kills you, he'll go to the surface and start killing humans. Mettaton wants to protect humanity by having only to kill one.
When does he state this?
>used Kratos for their dirty work
>didn't give him want he really wanted
>forced him to live when he tried to kill himself to deal with his guilt
They pretty much brought it on themselves
She's not outright evil, she's just a traumatized survivor of something similar to a nuclear holocaust that's absolutely fucking terrified of anything like that happening again.
>Most of the MGS cast did nothing wrong.
Wow. just wow.
>most have slaughtered thousands of people to benefit their ideals
HE A GUD EMPRAH
NEED MONEY FOR THEM WEAPONS
>man who got rid of swamps in Europe (also swamps are worst areas in any video game)
>badass lawman with Code Napoleon
>didn't give rights to women because they were useless, he just fucked them
>Ayy I just wanna take over the world and shit for teh evils
>Humans exist to serve. I'm gonna make my own country of obediant supersolder slaves
>Humans are too big of wussies to fire nukes when needed. Lets get robots to decide when to use the nukes. This will totally get the government to give me power again!
>We need to have some sort of secret one world government, in order to prevent war.
Not evil, just so paranoid and stupid that he causes unintended problems for everyone. Also Immoral as fuck.
>English ruined my culture. I want to kill anyone who speaks english in order to preserve the cultures of the second and third world. If that doesn't work, I'll just kill everyone!
Evil, and petty
>Imma just do whatever I'm told
Not evil, just obediant as fuck
>War. Always war. Also get rid of the patriots, but I need war 24/7
Evil. Period. End of story.
>I just want to fucking cause as much fucking chaos as possible, and take over shit.
Evil, and immature. He's just a whiney bitch in the end.
>We need to bring freedom back to America, and I'll do anything it takes
Not evil, but immoral, and stupid. Ocelot played him the entire fucking time.
>Big Boss fucked up. So did Zero. Now we got Big Boss's dream coming true, and it's fucking awful. And it's Zero's fault. And I'm the only guy capible of fixing it. Fuck.
The hero the world needed, not the one it deserved
>HEY I WANT COWBOYS AND SHOOTY SHOOTY WOO
Evil, and stupid.
If you've read the manga for further explanation/story details, some people actually listened to N and let their Pokemon go. Those same Pokemon ended up really sad and even looked for other trainers to take them in.
I wish they'd learn to borrow more from pokespe. It got things right from the get go, whatever fuckery the games keep trying to do drives the series further from perfection.
I want corruption in the pokemon league, I want mons attacking trainers and shit
Anything pokemon special could introduce couldn't be nearly as bad as what they did to pokemon's story in Gen 6.
At this point, we have a 3D rendered world, we have fully rendered pokemon, they've toyed with the idea of a pokemon gym leader/elite 4 being bad or taking an active role in the story.
Why not just go with it?
They were just willing to do whatever it takes to save the world.