>>323998930 But I loved Advent Children What's the point of having superpowered character if they don't fight each other in crazy anime battles I hope that the combat in VII Remake looks like combat in AC At least late game combat when you get more powerful materia and limit breaks >they add a new kind of materia >instead of giving you magic it gives you new non-magic attacks and moves This is how you improve VII
The difference my good anon is that in those other games, 99% of spells and abilities aren't completely fucking useless. Well actually FF8 had it just as bad but at least it lets you press some buttons while doing Limit Breaks/Summons to make it a little less monotonous.
In most other FF games, you'll actually use support spells once in a while and the characters have different abilities that set them apart, not to mention there's usually some actual character customization that can't just be swapped out on a whim, which makes it more personalized. All these things add depth.
>>323999492 >>323999190 "Flower Girl" Selling flowers Variable price of flowers "Escort" Aeris to where she feels safe Her house amidst the chaos of Sector 7 Her home's proximity to Wall Market Wall Market's renown for the Honey Bee Inn and Don Corneo's grip on the sector Aeris deep knowledge of all the workings and goings on of Wall Market Completing Cloud's crossdressing quest to maximum is at Aeris direction according to her knowledge of what Don Coreno likes. Her flirtatious and engaging demeanor with multiple men, including non-playable characters Her contrasting melancholy due to her current life (not referring to what she's lost) and question dodging when asked
Should I be more specific? Perhaps define the first as it relates to modern-day, historical, western and eastern ideololgies?
>>323999635 Hmm, it's not that I WANT Aeris to be a prostitute, I just think it makes her more interesting and realistic. If that were to occur, I think it would make her sacrifice now be more redemption and like a savior rather than a martyr or saint. It would also be a more sexually charged interaction between characters and could create some great, tense scenes which fits well with the new tone.
>>324000043 >>324000121 Not the person youre replying to, but japanese slang is really clear on "flower girl" - it's basically describing an escort but not so specifically sexually charged/implied over there. Somewhat hard to explain in translation but basically ACTUALLY paid dating rather than your "paid dating" in America If it was a WRPG aeris would be known for "tricking" instead and it would be just an implied thing but everyone would know
This always bothered me. I'm sure there's a translation fuckup there somewhere. No way the main characters were retarded enough to remove the materia from the rocket in flight if it meant dooming a potentially world-saving mission just to spite Shinra.
I bet the materia was actually just used as an energy source for getting the rocket off the ground or something, and the actual warhead was a conventional weapon.
>>324000627 It's not just about sex-trafficking in Japan. It's a way of circumventing all kinds of laws in eastern and western culture.
A flower girl in the west is a long spanning tradition. It's a young girl who scatters flowers (or petals) on the ground before the bride arrives. It's modern-day symbolism is transition from childhood to adulthood. They usually wear very similar dresses to heighten that point. More traditionally, the flower girl tossed out wheat and herbs and things thought to raise fertility. Because the point of marriage was children between nobels, and the flowergirl played a part purely in the sexual means of things. Obviously, more subtle in English since this was made by far-eastern asian men.
In japanese, the modern style of what Aeris does is called "enjo kosai" or "comensated dating." It means men giving money or goods to younger women for favors, company. Sex is not inherent, but usually implied. To say the bringing up enjo kosai is patently not about sex is like saying making a 100-year-old dragon loli is just her character and isn't to sexually fetishize it. Enjo kosai itself is heavily frowned upon considering its implications but also because it seemed to be a reflection of the industrialized, materialistic nature of youth into modern times (Midgar). Historically (and today) prostitution itself was banned and made only available in the outskirts/slums of a city. It works outside the bans by allowing paying for services such as "soaplands" "massage cafes" "health fashion" and the above enju kosai to bypass explicit sex trafficking.
Should we just talk about Aeris' actions in game, her placement in the world, and all the symbolism with just the word "flower" and how prominently it is tied to her, especially in the beginning?
There's nothin' wrong with her being a prostitute. In fact, it makes her more interesting and give her more depth. It's a wonderful explanation and a great contrast to her musings, and her actual dialogue.
>>324001049 I like the perspective that it's combining both meanings and I agree with you, I was just clarifying since the previous posters didnt really seem to be aware of enjo kosai even being a thing
>>324000627 >but japanese slang is really clear on "flower girl" - it's basically describing an escort but not so specifically sexually charged/implied over there Pulling this out of your ass? Flower girl is not a euphemism for anything in japan. It has no connotations. It has no hidden meanings whatsoever. It is not japanese slang, and never has been.
>>324000043 It is a purity thing, as sex is also very much regarded as a purity thing. It's an allusion, not a literal "WHORE" to mention flowers. It being nature-based is also a great tie in as her role in protecting the planet and mothering the growth of those rare flowers... >>324000473 ...which she sells for a single gil. To you. Because you're cute, she likes you. But charges far more to non-playable characters. As for "bodyguard" vs "escort" you're totally right! She never used the word escort, she just "hired" Cloud as a bodyguard to take her directly home at the cost of a date (when Cloud says "I'm not cheap"). Later, her mother reveals she seems to need protection from potential bad men frequently and Aeris herself says she's used to this. It is just as easy to interpret as referring to Turks or just danger as a woman, since in the very next scene watching Tifa enter Wall Market, she says it's not a safe place for women, Directly stating that Don Corneo isn't in to men.
>>324000387 It's not so much as wishful thinking as interpretation. Growing up in a slum of Midgar as a pretty girl who's learned to sell goods and be a flirt...the constant iterations of flower motif, it's not a stretch by any means to realistically portray her as some level of prostitute. Not a bad thing, and I think it's a better background and more fitting to her character than to be a completely pure maiden, a practical goddess of the planet who is demure and tender. Just like all slum girls are who know nothing of their past and are chased by thugs frequently.
>>324001284 I'm not any of the anons here, and while I agree with you that neither the term "flower girl" literally in Japanese has connotations to prostitutes (some may argue the purchasing of a token item, usually a flower from edo period sex districts was common but that's a misconception), the type of work Aeris does and claims to do and models her business in-game is very similar to what another anon mentioned as enjo kosai. Being a flower girl was less about literal naming and more about the striking difference of a pure girl in a dirty city and how amazing that was. And as the game progressed through Midgar and you found out more and more about her...a little too amazing to hold continuity.
Aerith being a whore or a virgin makes literally no difference to anything. At best you can make some sort of head canon about how her life was before but ultimately that neither has any bearing to the story told in 7. Maybe Barret sold cookies, maybe Cloud slipped to chocobo shit, maybe Vincent farted in his coffin, maybe Cid shitposts on /v/ for free. th>s
>>324002848 It can alter the meaning of her sacrifice. In either case, she didn't MEAN to get stabbed completely through by Sephiroth, but it happens. If she were a more realistic character with a more tonally dark background, this death is a release - redemption of since, return to ancient roots, leaving this life behind. If she were more a wholly chaste and pure woman it makes her death seem justified and destined - it makes her a saint and a divine being instead of merely the last Ancient capable of summoning Holy.
Overall, yeah, no difference, big whoop. As a character? It makes her unique and sets up a large contrast between her and Tifa, subverting tropes rather than relying on them. It's better writing.
>>324003291 That's all head canon though. She became a literal flower seller in Crisis Core. In AC flowers are in every scene with her which I doubt is to link her to her whore past while talking to Cloud.
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