Is he right /v/? Do we drive away people from different walks of life and thus deprive us of future masterpieces?
As a non white faggot I'm still waiting on that nice graph that connects "representation" and "quality" of the creative work, at any level, as if this shit can be measured anyway
nah i'm not gonna do it
how do you get this far in life and still sound like that? you can practically see gobs of what sounds like dairy clogging up the back of his throat and his sinus cavity.
p.s. no i do not care about the 'established personality' of your latest e-celeb pretend friend
Most of what he's saying is fine except the fact that gender diversity ISNT an asset, its a liability on the collective brains and souls of the men who create, cultivate and build the medium.
You shouldn't compare the men working on building a gaming industry in their previously overlooked countries to the likes of female dev darlings that keep harassment, its an insult to everyone involved in the discussion
Of course he's wrong. If race stops you from enjoying something, you're a racist. The idea that black people can't like games unless the characters are black is ridiculous. Case in point: games are made all across the world and enjoyed by diverse audiences. If you had to feel represented in order to enjoy something, gaming would be purely domestic.
They're a minority.
Proportional representation is fine.
You don't make games that appeal to a tenth of your audience.
There's loads of shit I'd like to see more of.
But I take what I can get.
That's what being a part of a niche (see: a minority) means.
What the fuck is "representation" anyway?
Nathan Drake or whatever other white dudes don't represent anyone but themselves.
Carl Johnson or whatever other black dudes don't represent anyone but themselves.
Niko Bellic or whatever other eastern Europeans don't represent anyone but themselves.
The one character that may represent "YOU" is your self-insert in a game with a character creator.
"Representation" is honestly really offensive. These collectivists do absolutely nothing, but they'll still link themselves to other people's accomplishments as though they did it themselves JUST BECAUSE that person or character shares a surface physical trait like dark skin or lady parts. They're being awfully racist and sexist by appropriating the accomplishments of other human beings based on their skin and sex.
expecting developers to make the games you want instead of the games they want to make is the first mistake
the second is that you're playing what the developers make, whoever they may be - if i played a game developed by 6 black chicks, i shouldn't be surprised if it's a game about black chicks
just because a lot of devs are white people doesn't make it their responsibility to cater to other peoples racial wants. if they want to do that, good for them, but it's certainly not an obligation for them to do so.
many great games have been made about other cultures than the devs making them, like the videos example of bloodborne, san andreas also comes to mind, but this whole method of guilt tripping developers into a necessity of diversity in their games characters or settings is something i can't wait to fade away. it's fucking annoying, let people craft what they want to craft. nobody is forcing anybody to play something, nobody is forcing anybody not to play something - gaming is an optional form of entertainment.
In my educated opinion the less minorities we cram into games and the less minorities play games the better.
Video games can only get worse by introducing other races. The best games are made by people of the same race.
Putting more black people into games and catering to black people doesn't make games more diverse, it does the exact opposite. It's always the same stupid shit with black people. It's always the same stupid shit with latinos. It's always the same stupid shit with arabs.
Want to make games more diverse? Have white people make games for white people or have asians make games for asian people. That's how you create diverse masterpieces.
This is an interesting and somewhat neutral arguement, don't think it needs to happen but I wouldn't be pissed if there were more minority games that were actually good and interesting and not obvious SJW inclusivity fests. But you posted this on /v/ so you're going to get the same answer.
how can you be somewhat neutral? you're either neutral or you aren't. clearly he's lobbying for one side more than the other if he's only somewhat neutral you noncommittal prick.
Noone is entirely neutral dipshit. He clearly wants more of the divirse shit, but he doesn't pull the obnoxious naggy bullshit assholes like gawker do. He just says it could bring more people in for greater potential in the industry, not forced quotas YOU MUST HAVE X OF Y bullshit the retards wanna enforce.
Whether or not someone can be entirely neutral is besides the point you moron. Describing something as somewhat neutral is retarded. If you're somewhat neutral, then you're not neutral, so why even bring the world neutral into it? Dress up your bullshit better next time, please.
>Listen to the video again, understand what he is saying, what he is implying and the context. If you do you can clearly see that he states that people from a group, from a race all think the same and produce the same thing. That "white males" are somehow "limited" to make violent and generic games, that white males(the ones who originally made the industry like it or not) need to have other races and creeds in order to be capable of being more creative and less bad. This are not my words.
All this wild and unsourced speculation at best. Again, completely willfully ignoring the massive influence east-Asians in the gaming industry when convenient. Not only that, when you actually think about it, not only this has a strong racial element to it, but it has a RACIAL DETERMINISM implications.
You see, saying that "each different race will produce a different product" is, by definition race determinism. Something that I'm sure a "progressive", self-critical, self-loathing, ideologically motivated and ultimately conflicted white male as he would be VERY against it. Not sure how he does not realize this, maybe it is lost of this strong bias you talk about.
Well? I sure like the implications on this, he literally is agreeing with /pol/ without noticing.
>Listen to the video again, understand what he is saying, what he is implying and the context. If you do you can clearly see that he states that people from a group, from a race all think the same and produce the same thing. That "white males" are somehow "limited" to make violent and generic games, that white males(the ones who originally made the industry like it or not) need to have other races and creeds in order to be capable of being more creative and less bad. This are not my words.
>All this wild and unsourced speculation at best. Again, completely willfully ignoring the massive influence east-Asians in the gaming industry when convenient. Not only that, when you actually think about it, not only this has a strong racial element to it, but it has a RACIAL DETERMINISM implications.
>You see, saying that "each different race will produce a different product" is, by definition race determinism. Something that I'm sure a "progressive", self-critical, self-loathing, ideologically motivated and ultimately conflicted white male as he would be VERY against it. Not sure how he does not realize this, maybe it is lost of this strong bias you talk about.
>Wait did the Polish devs and the Japanese devs bend over in order to accommodate into their team, people from other ethnicities and backgrounds? How many black trans non cis members were there in Project CD Red or From Software? And about the samey samey thing from publishers, you have a point there but I think the main problem is a lack of passion and freedom. If publishers allow devs to work on stuff they are passionate about and give them a certain amount of freedom then it really doesn't matter if the protagonist is a straight white guy from a western country, the game will be most likely good. BTW I'm not white if that means anything.
>Do you not realize how fucking dumb it is to say game development companies are too white (70% in those charts) when the population of the USA is 77% white? Also, monoculturalism is good for W3 and BB, yet we need more multiculturalism in video game companies? Wtf? And do you seriously think developers being white has more of an impact on AAA game development than the target demographics and proven markets? This video is so meandering and contradictory, it has to be a joke,
His he right /v/?
choosing video games as your format for race politics
>wants more black people in medieval timey europe
GET THE FUCK OUT, YOU CARE NOTHING OF ART YOU ARE A FUCKING FAGGOT AND DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT STORYTELLING OR CULTURE
YES IM FUCKING MAD
>Hey /v/, did you see this Youtube video on social issues? Gamergate general I guess.
Kill yourself my man.
>Everybody is a label to them
God damn, this.
Very impressed by what you said here. I have a tough time putting my thoughts on this matter into words but you basically summed up how I feel.
It should not be an accomplishment for someone who labels themselves as [some group] just because a character labelled as [some group] was represented in a game. Its a character. Its main purpose should be to serve the story or gameplay. Any other purpose is wrong completely.
Is there a game where I can build walls and ban muslims?
i always have and always will be pissed that girls think that male protags represent men accurately but female protags dont represent women, its absolute fucking bullshit.
If we want to talk about being triggered and social issues, no fucking olympic gymnast nathan drake doesnt represent men, neither does marcus fenix or solid snake, they are fucking Adonises. But if men think a character is cool than its a power fantasy, where women are only molested by having strong attractive females.
its this kind of shit that pushes me toward sexism because the loudest female voices are the fucking most illogical and retarded voices you hear, followed the by cuckboys who agree and say "BUHU MUH 30 YEAR OLD MEN AND BROWN HAIR, WHERES MUH BLACK MEN AND FAT WOMEN!"
i honestly dont give a fuck about character body types, if a games good il play it, but you cant have your feminist cake and eat it too
>why didn't T.S. Eliot make the Waste Land about the Fisher Queen and the Holy Spinning Rims?
This is how "diversity" wackos sound.
you know what barriers exist....none.
Which is why this complaint is always this weird nebulous tripe about INCLUSIVENESS, that the straight white hetero man isnt incentivising and praising diversity. That white men like technology and video games where black, chinese, arab, lesbian trannies dont. they are underrepresented because almost purely of lack of interest, and this burden like shown >>323998720 is the white mans burden. There arent enough Iraqi Transotherkin in gaming and its because......WE ARENT INCLUSIVE ENOUGH, not that we are being exclusive, but that we arent coddling other races to joining us so we can SPREAD OUR WINGS AS A DIVERSE AND RICH CULTURE!
its a combination of white guilt and thinking with your feelings before putting factual information into your arguments
if game development was factually sexist, then youd be hearing about all kinds of women suing Activision for not hiring females for being females, but like Carmack said "the reason we dont hire females is because they dont apply for the position" its like that fuckin study that showed women factually did make less than men, and thats stuck around for years, and then suddenly these new comprehensive studies show that women when hired dont fight for hire salaries, or bonuses, or raises.
Way to not watch the video.
He's stating that more countries should start making their own fucking games. Uniqueness that other countries inhabit that are NOT Japan/USA are being suppressed because there's no funding for said studio's.
He's not saying add more asian/black/blah blah blah NPC's and shit to video games that don't need it- he's saying more people than just the U.S and Japan should dominate the games industry, which I agree with.
he literally says "you may think im going to discuss how i wish it had more people of color in it or it had taken it easy on the cleavage.... WELL I DO, AND I DO" in regards to the witcher.
i know the grander point he makes is that he wishes more games were made by niggers, but he does in fact say he wishes the witcher had more niggers and less boobs
>Uniqueness that other countries inhabit that are NOT Japan/USA are being suppressed because there's no funding for said studio's.
By that logic, the video games industries in both the US and Japan were suppressed in their early stages as well. Why were they able to overcome the hurdles? Racial superiority?
Who would expect *minority* NOT to be a minority in almost anything? They are literally a minority. Also if a person who's a minority loves video games, what is stopping them from making them? They just have to work hard and beat the competition. Nobody cared about race (aside from racist hicks who wouldn't make anything aside from deer hunting simulator) until the diversity agenda was shoved down people's throats and made everyone look bad. If you can't relate to a character because of their skin color or whatever then you're the problem.
funny he should talk about how much of a damn shame it is that CDProject is run by white dudes and that games arent inclusive enough considering the only reason the witcher 3 exists is because of all the tax money that Poland gave to them to make sure the game could be made, but we wouldnt want to be educated on the arguments we make, itd be so much easier to just fellate ourselves with large vocabulary and cry about how there arent more games made by Brazilians
>"you may think im going to discuss how i wish it had more people of color in it or it had taken it easy on the cleavage.... WELL I DO, AND I DO" in regards to the witcher.
Further proof that Anglos are a cancer.
Just a decade ago gaming was dominated by the Japanese & that echo's today, most Western games are inspired by Japanese games in some way
Where did this idea that gaming was always dominated by Whites & catering to Whites become a thing?
because colleges and intellectuals are surrounded by KoolAid, its harder to go to college and come out a conservative than it is to go to college and come out liberal, and its because teachers have a liberal agenda so they can better make their existence appreciated, which is very dangerous to infuse intellectualism with liberal academia. I'm not trying to convert anyone, but it always seems that if a teacher says they dont agree with Obama their ass gets put on a burner, but if a teacher says that they dont support american colonialism, than they are brave and so smart for it.
look at the state of things now, we have an old socialist who wants to give everyone free shit, and DIVERSIFY the united states running as a democrat as if thats at all the political affiliation he belongs to. its absolute fucking madness from an objective standpoint
>White people need to make games about us, because we are being oppressed & marginalized!
That explains 2 decades of Japanese dominance in the video game industry
>Making your game about us is us doing you a favour
No you entitled shitskins, make your own game like Japs & Koreans are
Thing is the average citizen is a retard.
They will pick a football team then take the team's victory as their own. They will believe some of their individual actions may bring bad luck to the team and other retarded shit. It's a lost cause.
>being educated on a subject that doesn't yet exist
>better democratic sensibilities
How exactly does this promote innovation? Are you trying to say that they're inherently more ambitious?
Dirt poor slavic countries are able to do it, I don't see the problem.
I remember how some dude went "here's a list, hire them" with a link to some site called blackgamedevs or something.
If you actually went through the list there were no coders, maybe 1 or 2 good artists, and the rest were idea guys and "game designers" and other useless bullshit. It was like fucking pottery.
So, what? The USA should fund videogame development in Africa by Black Africans?
This shit is all supply and demand. If there was actually a demand for videogames made by and for minorities, someone would fill it.
I don't think we even know what MrBTongue's race is, so fuck you for assuming he's English. He could be a filthy German or Swede or a God forsaken Frenchman or something.
In fact from this multiculti bullshit I'd be more inclined to think he's German or Swedish.
>The notion that "diversity" means better quality.
Everyone on /v/ complains that games are just the same rehashed shit. People clearly want diverse games.
And I think we will agree that diverse creators lead to diverse products. Compare video game diversity with music diversity. Music has so many different flavors, so much to love or hate. Video games are very narrow, because the spectrum of people making them is very narrow.
So I agree there is a "problem", as in we could be getting more out of vidya, but I dont think it needs a radical solution.
I feel that the "indie revolution" or whatever we had recently introduced different kinds of people into the business. Most of them are still fucking white, but they are different whites, and they made different kinds of games, that couldnt have existed several years ago.
People can be diverse in more ways than just race or sex, though.
I am talking mostly about culture, and not the opera singing or Mona Lisa type culture.
Blacks have different ideas of whats cool than whites, and men have a different idea of whats fun than women.
So it makes sense that people with different understanding of what a good game might be will produce different games.
Diversity of creators implies diversity of products. I think my music example is appropriate, as blacks entered the popular music scene things got much more different, genres were created, and styles were invented.
And in video games, 2deep4u games produced by hipsters are a more recent addition, brought by the many indie artsy types entering the scene. Yeah, some games like that existed before, but few and far between, and not quite as tryhard.
what happens when people make a more inclusive game?
I just want to play good games, these people that keep complaining about a lack of "diversity" think diversity means shoving different layers of brown into a cast. True diversity is something like Final Fantasy VI, every character has his own personality, abilities, backgrounds, reasons to fight against The Empire / Kefka.
Most people didn't like that game because it was bad, not because of the brown protagonist.
The only interesting or innovative thing the game introduces is only used like twice in the entire campaign, the rest is a generic Beat-them-Up that severely limits your combo potential.
shouldnt matter ToBeHonest Fampai. If people cared about inclusiveness than this game should have record sales, they should have bought it on principle like fat virgin neckbeards like i did for huniepop
How do any of these stack up to modern artsy tryhard games like ones exploring cancer or funerals by just having you walk around in ambiance reading text?
But how does that have any relevancy to the topic as to video games?
What the video is saying is that either different cultures are halted from making their own games in some way, or just that too many games are made by white males.
So what the fuck is the argument here. Nobody is actually STOPPING people of different cultures or sexes from making games. Why put the burden of supporting their endeavors on someone else?
The status quo is stopping different games being made, because they wouldnt sell. There is no audience for them.
And for such an audience to exist, the product must exist first. So its a chicken-egg thing.
Which is why the guy reasons we need to create an egg in laboratory conditions, so we can get the cycle going.
do these still exist?
even youtube is full of PC bullshit.
comment FAGGOT on any Lets play video and watch the butthurt come out in droves to white knight for those poor underprivileged gaylords
He confuses cultural diversity with retarded gender politics.
The best part is that if actual non-asian non-whites started making games en-masse they would continously trigger the leftards with their culturally diverse opinions like how homos as either viewed as disgusting or the punchline of jokes and how most are blatantly racist towards other non-whites.
But that's stupid. Telling people to like something that doesn't exist?
And as for the creators, doesn't that mean they're just morally bankrupt moneygrubbers that don't want to make something because they love it, but rather because they think it might sell?
What this comes down to is these people having a boner for themselves and not a goddamn passion for videogames.
i just mean that mean internet comments are somewhat of a rarity compared to previous. to the point where the loud tumblrites get the final say. i dont give a fuck either way, but even Mean Internet Comments aren't a valid excuse anymore.
the things keeping out niggers, girls and faggots are nonsituations or nonhappenings in which an employer says "i wont hire you because you are a black female tranny" despite them having no skill in coding or programming, that youll see in their online comics they draw
Let's say, hypothetically, a game was created specifically to cater to Africans. How one could produce such a thing or how the game would actually look and play like, let's disregard for now. A game was created to cater to Africans by a racially and sexually diverse team of developers.
Suppose it bombs and barely makes any money because, as it turns out, they don't much care for it and would rather play GTA V or whatever, do we still blame whitey?
But that's wrong. The only situation where discourse is worth anything is when it isn't colored by restrictions on what you're allowed to say or do.
Me not calling your shitty opinions faggotry doesn't mean anything if I'd be censored or banned for doing it.
>there will never be a game made by niggers that accurately portrays what it's like to be a nigger
the world's really missing out, c'mon inner city yuths, start makin dem programz
Its not always about making money. Sometimes its about not bankrupting yourself.
I have a game published. I had to pay around $2000 for "marketing and publicity" and about as much for "visual and audio assets". There are also the small fees to publish your game here or there.
Over the course of a year I made my money back, but that basically meant my several hundred hours of work were free labor, since there is no way I am actually profiting much from my game. For an experienced programmer who usually sits on ~$40 an hour in my country and sphere, this means a big loss.
Basically any person with the skills to make a game invest a lot of potential profit by wasting their valuable time on the game, and doesnt expect much return from it. There is no money in video games. Like 1% of indies make money.
They don't really want other cultures either desu.
They want to portray their inner-city liberal americanized views as other people's cultures.
It's very much about cultural imperialism.
>but they'll still link themselves to other people's accomplishments as though they did it themselves
But then you are ignoring the fundamental human nature of group bonding and benefit sharing
study have shown that presentation of race in a positive light does increase certain race favour and tolerance
The honor given by people representing your group and distribute to you is true
and ignoring this is choose to be blind
>i wish my mean comments could be more effective
>nowadays only tumblr mean comments work
Mate you dont make sense. If you want mean comments, you should be prepared to take some. The only time "lol nigger fag" is acceptable is when "die cis scum" is also acceptable.
as previously stated, i dont mind, but im trying to say that Mean Internet Comments, are somewhat of a rarity is all. What people decide to shoutdown is beyond my interests. Just saying the internet of today is not the internet of yesterday, things are very inclusive now compared to 2004.
So what solution would you suggest, then? You can't make people want something that isn't there, but if someone really has a passion for something they'll risk bankruptcy to create something they'll love.
If you keep saying that video games need more ethno games or whatever, or that gamedev needs to be more inclusive, the creators will show up, smelling either opportunity to express themselves, or opportunity to make money, or some such.
Its about fooling the creators that a crowd exists, so they can create, so a crowd can form; not about fooling the crowd that they want something, so it can get created.
>Have white people make games for white people or have asians make games for asian people. >That's how you create diverse masterpieces.
That doesn't explain Bloodborne & mgs
which programmed & design by Japanese with Western characters and favored by the west
Yeah, and that's fine. I could call you a retard here and you could call me one back, and we could shitpost back and forth forever. But if I were to call you a retard somewhere else and get permabanned for it, or have it held against me so much by the community that all future conversation would die, does someone else not calling you a retard really mean anything?
They're just afraid to say what they think because of the consequences. It says nothing towards any respect, or lack of which, they might have for you or your argument. It's just an environment where everyone is forced to wear a smile or else, you can't ever really trust what someone has to say.
>Games should be diverse.
>Japanese game showing sexuality that Japanese culture considers acceptable.
>Waaah! That's sexist!
>Western developers create game depicting foreign culture.
Let's face facts. There really is no winning here. You know it's true.
>and what happens when nobody buys it?
If that happens, the experiment failed and the only losers are artists getting fooled into dedicating time and becoming bankrupt.
However we are past that point for the first wave, since many of the 2deep4u indie "experiences" were successful, and the "walking simulator" genre was coined and created, and sold many copies of games.
Yep, Gone Home is video game's rock music, the new genre created by outsiders entering the industry and the status quo failing to push them out despite claims that they arent real mu- I mean not real video games.
Hopefully the second wave will be something I'd actually enjoy as well.
because women are women
a man who does well can be appreciated by other men, supported and praised for their works
women only feel jealousy and remorse towards successful females.
The left is full of hypocrites and doublethink
This. AAA games are so formulaic because those formulas are all things that sell, and in 2016 games need to sell six gorillion copies or they're immediately a flop. It's not because of "MUH WHITE MALES", it's the market at work.
>We demand you make more diverse inclusive games!
>Assassin's creed released a game with a tranny, and a woman in a leading role who outshines the dude
>Worst selling assassins creed
Gee wonder why
>Gee wonder why
Because women and trannies arent playing much video games yet. If you keep making games for them, they will get into it, and start buying.
Its a long term investment.
You now realize that the left is run by white supremacists and racists.
They're using underhanded tactics to ensure that the world is dominated by white culture.
How do you silence a minority? You steal their voice by having 20-something middle class white people represent their cause.
How do you make sure non-whites never make their own video games? You get white developers to saturate the non-white niche of video games.
It's all a ploy to keep non-whites silenced and dependant.
People create what they want to create. If other people show interest in the creators' work, they will buy said work. This provides monetary support for the creators, allowing them to go on creating more of the stuff they want to/can create.
If a video game has not been made yet, it is because no one has wanted to create it AND put in the effort to do so. No one is stopping a woman, or a black person, or a Mexican from creating a video game that they want to make. There are plenty examples of this happening, from the Rance games being made by a largely female staff, to Guacamelee being made by Mexicans. They have both gotten accolades and praise for their creations, and have become a celebrated part of the medium. What's stopping Africans from doing so other than lack of desire to?
And who is to say that anything an African game company could make would be better or more interesting than whatever EA or Ubisoft shit out biannually? Diversity is a nebulous benefit that is often touted as being the savior of a sick industry, but the diversity that matters, diversity of expertise and talent, is completely ignored in favor of superficial diversity.
>Complaining about games from white countries feature white people
You forgot Vice City Stories
Also Liberty City Stories was an Italian-American protagonist. Since his skin is lighter than an arbitrary point of color, he's now a white slave owner who hates black people and goes out of his way to keep them oppressed, because everyone who leans to the right politically is a rich heterosexual "cis" white male of british descent
GTAV DID get some brownie points if you look around, it was just massively overshadowed by the amazing "There's strippers and you can kill female passerby like you can kill everyone else" controversy.
>Make projects that you know are going to fail just in hopes that someday in the future x group is going to maybe pay attention to videogames
That is genius
>Its a long term investment.
Personally I see it as throwing money down the drain, because even if it does happen by that point the game will be old as shit and off the stores and nobody will buy it
>Its a long term investment.
That's fucking retarded considering selling to the current majority already yields more profits
>Because women and trannies arent playing much video games yet.
The arguments go they should be represented because women are 50% of gamers. Then you get fags saying they aren't playing because there aren't many of them. Well which is it?
This guy is good when he's actually talking about video games, not identity politics and when he's not pushing his political agenda. He's totally comically wrong here. Not only are there tons of distinctive Japanese games, but they are constantly criticized by his crowd for objectifying women, using sexist tropes, and so on. He even shows video from Feminist Frequency, who mostly criticized distinctly Japanese games. You can't have it both ways.
Also, it's incredibly reductive to reduce MGS to a game about a white guy shooting things. This is the same mistake every sanctimonious moron makes--instead of treating games holistically, they treat them as a checklist of gender, race, sexuality, and so on. Maybe you wouldn't be so bored of the same games over and over again if you paid more attention to games aside from the protagonists's skin color or sex.
Also, he says that it's "on us" to make gaming more diverse, because somehow the natural state of everything is equal representation, so it must be our fault. But gaming is expensive, so naturally in America there will be fewer black people doing it since black people are generally poorer. And some people just don't like gaming as much. If someone doesn't want to play games or doesn't want to make games, it's not our responsibility to beg them.
>If the workforce is the same, then the aggregate product will be the same.
This is the crux of his error. Aside from the fact that the video game industry actually has a wealth of uniquely Japanese games which are criticized for being Japanese, white people aren't all the same. If you suddenly install a bunch of brown people at game development studios, then games aren't going to become brilliant masterpieces. The way to get artistically unique games isn't to act like white men are just too dumb to think of anything unique, it's to criticize *games themselves* instead of playing this retarded identity politics games.
The statistics are poorly researched and have incredibly inherent problems, but they are entirely based on mobile game audiences. Women make up less than 1/4th of the audience for any given console.
>There are plenty examples of this happening, from the Rance games being made by a largely female staff
But this isn't true.
Yes Tori is a woman and she was the lead writer until Sengoku.
And yes YUKIMI did the art for the first four games.
But that's it.
>let's sell our product at a huge loss to a demographic that is laughably small right now just in hopes that it one day grows
>wouldn't it be better to just sell to the white males, the largest buying demographic right now?
>check your privilege, you're fired Joe
Isn't assuming that someone from a different country is a naturally better writer than some white guy basically stereotyping? I mean it kind of sounds like "asians are better than maths than us white guys" only, you know, for writing and game making and shit.
A lot of what people say in these arguments for diversity sound weirdly like what they claim you shouldn't do, imply things about other races.
>How about they start playing video games, so that people will see it as a sound investment to appeal to them?
Thats whats currently happening, under the encouraging gaze of the Industry, promoting it with female protags and media statements.
How are people getting pushed from the industry? Is there any proof that developers choose not to hire women/people of color because they're not white? I see interviews with people in the industry say all the time that this kind of thing doesn't happen, and people who are good get in regardless of their skin color or gender.
Forcing diversity isn't going to do us any good. Forced diversity brings"token black guy who shouts GodD Damn" and "Smart Asian Guy". Do we really want that in video games?
This is what forced diversity brings, which is bad. Only non-forced diversity is good, which is something that MrBtongue doesn't mention.
Lack of soul due to big publishers viewing video games as nothing more than products leads to creative bankrupcy. Video games aren't uninteresting because there's not enough women/PoC in the industry. They're uninteresting because of this creative bankrupcy, and partly for catering to the lowest common denominator, but that's another issue.
There is a market of black gamers. Asian gamers. Women. And as such, games will be made for them. A ton of indie games heavily feature minorities, and then there are games like Remember me. It unfortunately failed, but it still shows that the medium is growing organically. Why force an industry to cater to somebody? I'll agree that there's a staggering amount of "white man games", but for one, I know many women and non-white men who enjoy those games and don't have a problem with the protagonists, and two, why would you argue for trying to forcibly change that? That's not what brings good ideas or characters made. It takes time for an industry as big as this to change, and it's already changing.
>games are made everywhere in the world
>somehow american racial composition is used as comparison for some reason
But again, isn't that line of logic wrong?
Does it mean that slav countries should only make games about slavs?
Of course it's a bullshit.
Should we compare it to the whole world's population then? So 1/7 characters are Indian and 1,6/7 are Chinese? And 4/10 have Temujin as their ancestor? That's bullshit, again.
So, maybe we should strive for accurate presentation of the place where the action takes place, but then it can be fantasyland and what now?
Why even get into the whole race thing then? Why don't you give devs the choice?
Despite of what /pol/ says - Hollywood blockbusters are getting dominated by white male protagonists more and more and there are few exceptions, some notably big(newest star wars). Have you seen anybody complaining? No, everybody pretends Hollywood is inclusive because they play with image well, add token characters here and there while it's all a charade. I think the recent marketing moves of big companies like Ubi or EA try to achieve the same result - get useful idiots rave about how great they are while doing whatever their market research shows as right, without negative press if it's not politically correct enough.
His first point that different views can give different experience is valid
The one that people who could produce something incredible is less so. It's a pretty big leap in logic to say different will equal good, as much of a chance we have we get a bloodborne we have an infinitely better chance of getting a indie privilege simulator. Plus both those games he praised were made in this environment. Nothing is stopping slavs making games and not much else is stopping other countries or genders. He's ignored the simple truth that not everything will be all that good
Also games have become samey as people are scared to take risks because development costs so much. There is a reason the video game market is the way it is, those are the people most likely to buy something. You can get little bumps which appeal to different people but the problem is they don't stick around and chasing them has hurt companies in teh past
Just let developers tell the stories they want to tell. Let them write the characters they want to write. Forcing them to write about characters they don't want to write about and they don't have experience/thoughts with/about will only make these characters uninteresting and feel forced. Only characters made in this way can be complex and interesting, which is what we all want, is it not?
It's funny that you use TW3 and BB as your examples, because those are exactly the games who said "fuck you" to diversity and just told stories they wanted to tell. There were no black/asian/muslim people in medieval Poland, and the world of bloodborne doesn't really care about race, either. They're just people. It seems to me like you destroyed your own point with your examples. Games like Assassin's Creed who do force minorities down your throat are bad games because they're products - and the forced diversity in them is a part of this product, while the all-white W3 which was made entirely by white people has the most soul of a game I've played in years.
Something like the soul of W3 can't be forced by trying to force diversity. It has to be nurtured organically, written and made by people who really want to do something great and actually know how to do it, too. And it took CDP 3 games and many years to have enough money to do this kind of thing. If anything is stopping interesting AAA games being diverse, it's the massive cost attached to making them and the market still being unsure if such games can be supported. That and most studios being only interested in seeing the highest possible green number at the end of the fiscal year.
i like that he opens up saying "i have a heart of coal so lets just say im a little bit callous" in the most coldsteel fashion he can possibly muster
to then go onto say "VIDYA NEEDS MORE BLACKS AND TONE BACK THE CLEAVAGE YOU SEXIST MISOGYNERDS" guy really shows his reddit with this video
I don't understand this mans point at all. He says that we are not inclusive, but what does it mean to be more inclusive? Is it literally just shoehorning gays and blacks and women characters into games? But his whole argument for doing this is because we are potentially losing other cultures and ideas. Gays and blacks and women aren't cultural groups though. I don't see why he thinks they would bring new ideas to the table at any rate different than cis gendered white males.
So then by not setting our games and filling them with them with Turkish cultural themes are we then chasing away all the brilliant Turkish game developers? This makes no sense.
The only argument I understood from this video is that by not being inclusive we are scaring off talent, but that claim is totally unfounded.
The Witcher games feel so Polish because the characters are all white, like they would be in a medieval Polish country side, which goes against what he seems to be saying games should do.
>Witcher 3 is a fantastic game that came from Polish devs
>Bloodborne is a fantastic game that came from Japanese devs
>White people are the reason we don't see more of this
I actually like the definition of "diversity" BTongue was working with here; namely, that there are a lot of interesting games that can be made by drawing inspiration from other cultures. Aside from vidya, I also play Magic: The Gathering, and one of the aspects of that game I enjoy is the fact that it explores a new setting every year. Since we finally got off Dominaria we've seen:
>a world made of metal with creatures soul-trapped from other planes
>a world ripped wholesale from Japanese mythology
>an ecumenopolis ruled by ten guilds of differing philosophies
>a world inspired by Celtic myth and fairy-tales that has a dark mirror
>a world broken into five shards that were each deprived of certain types of mana
>a world with untamed wilds and adventure, hiding Lovecraftian horrors
>a gothic horror world kept in balance by a millenia-old vampire
>a world ripped wholesale from Greek mythology
>an amalgamation of far-east cultures from Khmer to Tibet to the Mongol empire
That sort of shit is nice to see. I'm sure there could be really great games from the same vein as The Witcher but from cultures in Latin America, Africa, or the Middle East. But all of this depends on one thing: That those people get off their asses and do it. The fact that white people make games does not prevent hispanic or black or arab people from making games. The fact that men make games does not prevent women from making games. Diversity is not something that must be cultivated, it's something that must emerge on its own - and if minorities want to see it, they're the ones that have to make it.
Media aren't going to make crusades against dev houses like Rockstar because what will happen is what happened to Polygon when they were like "WAAAH NO FEMALE PROTAG IN AC:UNITY".
Ubi cut them out from news and then they were raving how great Ubisoft is while reposting news from other sites.
Rockstar is in another league though because while there are ubi-haters everywhere, people who say that GTA games are shit are quickly silenced by assmad fanboys raving on how stupid the critics are. Which is another reason why don't they do anything against Rockstar because pissing off the people who give you clicks isn't great idea if you make money from clicks.
Glad I unsubbed him weeks ago then
His arguments are outated now since the SJW click that makes these arguments are show to be more stupider and awful last year. I can see people excusing them back in 2013 or so. But its all bullshit now.
I do think that games are getting to the same but diversity has nothing to do with it.
It's strange to see a /v/ thread about wimin, niggaz and social justice not being a shitposting fest. There is some good non-/pol/ opinion around there.
Why don't you guys make some videos to explain your point?
Okay... so what? Why is he complaining? If they want to get into the industry they can. They just have to fund themselves because there isn't much in the way of publishers in those countries, as there isn't much of a games industry.
It's certainly not the duty of foreigners to fund their shit.
>Designed Mafia 1 and 2 which are both fucking patrician quality games.
>The new designer for Mafia 3 is going all out with the inclusivity and looks like shit meanwhile Kingdom Come looks based as fuck.
In fact it's easier to make games in 3rd world than in 1st world once you have the capital since wages, working conditions and rents are much, much lower, sometimes the electricity is more expensive but not by miles.
I remember the faggot arguing with him instantly spun around on a dime, screencapped the fifth one and screamed racist.
For asking him if he thought minorities were incompetent.
Don't have a computer good enough to render video. Don't have a video editor. Don't know how to use a video editor. Don't have a mic. I do have some rough scripts for videos in case I ever get those, though.
>Characters in games
So those thousands of weeb games don't count I guess
It's no use. People will bitch and moan to be "included" in games. Just personally showing how racist they are because they can't enjoy a game with only certain races in it
>They wouldn't sell, there is no audience for them
Fuck off. If there is a demand, which apparently there is, there is an audience. And the audience is the people who won't shut the fuck up about diversity. If they want the game they can fund it from their pockets.
Here are some things that bugs me about this "call for diversity":
Why do you want people to work on fucking toys?
I know it sounds ironic and silly on this board but I keep thinking women and other races are better off doing their own thing instead of focusing on game design.
>le imaginary bogeyman of bigots
>50% of gamers are female
>games aren't inclusive enough
Wat, it doesn't seem to make a difference to women, and so what if women play mostly mobile/facebook games, it's what they like leave them alone.
>And sold many copies of games
That's the thing. Look close enough and you'll find most of these walking simulators and 2deep4u indie games are popular as fuck, mostly due to youtuber credit, but don't SELL as well as they're talked about. Nobody actually WANTS the game. They just want to be "in" with the current thing.
>he's saying more people than just the U.S and Japan should dominate the games industry
Then those countries need to start making vidya. They need to be the ones who need to be competitive. No one has the right to take away from others just for their own twisted sense of justice. No one even gave a fuck about eastern european vidya until they started making their own games and tried to compete. If vodka drinking squatters can make in vidya, then so can anyone else. The problem is other countries aren't trying. So it's their fault. Not Japan or USA.
I'm so glad we aren't in business together. A long term investment that will net you the SAME or LESS amount of money than if you had have stuck with something you want to make in the first place? That's fucking stupid.
The 'best' part of that is that The Witcher series has consistently caught shit for the allegedly bad treatment of women in it (never mind that it had some of the most well written and most powerful female characters in recent vidya) and TW3 for not having black people by the very same liberals who campaign for 'representation' and 'diversity'.
If the PC crowd had its way, TW3 would be neutered, a bland and inoffensive game bereft of the melancholy and bigotry-filled nasty world that gives it its backbone, without that particular unique Polish feeling to it that MrBtongue claims he loves so much about it.
I know you think you understand the market and all, but you don't. The publishers you loathe do, and that's why most of them make good money.
They are catering to all avaliable sources of human shaped wallets. Anyone they aren't catering to won't buy their shit. Putting something out, which costs time and money, on the off chance it MAY attract someone is called "being a retard"
Maybe someone here on /v/ could help me answer this. I know that white people use their whiteness and patriarcal status quo tin order to make the PoC Japanese gamedevs racist, but how does it work exactly?
Is it some kind of magic? Privilege transferring?
I mean, let's face it. So is the right.
People don't realize their own contradictions, and when they do, they'll either accept "man, I actually fucked up and need to think on my positions more" or they'll bullshit it like "it's still valid because (some insanely contrived reason)".
The farther ingrained in an ideology you are, and possibly the bigger narcissist you are, the more likely you're just going to do the second thing. Guess which politicians and "journalists" do?
>And the audience is the people who won't shut the fuck up about diversity.
Thats the artificially created audience I am talking about. Fuck, man, the plan is so good you dont even see it working.
Smudboy is a bit too obsessed with BioWare still. Five years ago I could understand focusing on them, but he needs to just let go of them. Make some proper reviews, I'd love to see what he has to say about Alpha Protocol or the Witcher series.
I just love the entitlement from these people
>here's an incredibly successful decades old franchise
>sells like fucking hotcakes
>I'M OFFENDED THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BLACKS IN YOUR CREATION, YOU NEED TO ADD THEM
>A long term investment that will net you the SAME or LESS amount of money than if you had have stuck with something you want to make in the first place?
Nobody is selling video games only to women, moron. You will keep your current audience and also add more to it. You will sell to men and women.
Thats why its called wider audience, not new audience.
>His arguments are outated now since the SJW click that makes these arguments are show to be more stupider and awful last year. I can see people excusing them back in 2013 or so. But its all bullshit now.
This, didn't he get the memo? This shit is old fucking hat. What the fuck is he thinking still hanging onto it? It's like Atheism+.
Yes but the big problem, and this is the big flaw in their wonderful plan, is that 99.99% of this fucking artificial audience is all bark, no bite.
They don't want to PLAY these games, just get on board the bitch train. So their cultivated market will have a shittier income than a burger flipper and it will fail miserably.
>go into a gamedev uni course
>go into debt
>get "taught" this
The futures looks interesting alright.
It's pretty pathetic too. Once they start flinging shit like "you're a poopie head". It becomes obvious that they're losing an argument. It's basic schoolyard tactics and they still haven't grown out of it.
what about elves, orcs, goblins and a multitude of alien races? where are those in the statistics ?
Also in a great many games you have no idea if the characters are actually human, nevermind where on earth they come from .
99%~ of these characters are also completely fictional, meaning they are not human or of any race at all, they are imaginary.
I guess the hatred of white people or people that look like white people is so strong they ignore anything that may sink their progressive ship.
I find it weird that there are those that claim that if men find a strong, well-chiseled male character cool, it's a power fantasy, yet I also find characters like Bayonetta and Classic Lara Croft to be cool people to play as.
I mean I know their logic is flawed but god damn, they need to just let people like what they wanna like. These people don't even play videogames.
super bunny hop (overrated, too occupied with being positive, often rambles instead of making cohesive arguments)
matthewmatosis (never releases videos, has a cute accent, focused on the games and never talks politics)
idk third guy
>make a game that is literally meant to be historically accurate
>triggered fags want you to add in minorities for no reason besides wanting minorities
Also it's pretty fucking racist to tell people to actively try hiring black people rather than hire whoever is the most skilled applicant
>our culture can't match yours, so you have to change yours to suit us!
Diversity won't always bring about something good. Look at how forcing it brought around so many shitty 2deep4u walking simulators or press the button to be fed my social agenda. This isn't growing the market as these games really don't appeal to anyone but the people making these games, it is such a tiny community they all live in the same city
This. Polygon will suck patriarchy walker 2016 off but none of these people care about actually getting into and supporting games
Smud can be a bit too nitpicky and would do better with shorter more focused reviews, but at the same time I like how he rips up games and shows how badly thought out they are
Also add mechagamezilla to god emperor tier
>250 replies to neurotic social justice nonsense
Yes, and the makeup industry is discriminating against men and pushing them away from using makeup by using only women in their advertisements
He just hates white people like a good SJeW.
I wish these people would step up their commitment and stop using any technology made by white people and then they can die in a mud hut surrounded by niggers.
I don't get why people think they need to be represented in order to be able to enjoy a game.
I'm a straight white male but I play all kinds of shit where I play asian dudes or women or blue hedgehogs or dream constructs or whatever the hell rayman is or stuff like that.
This is so fucking stupid.
If you want diversity look at any fighting game tournament, chinks, niggers, white trash, spics, you name it, no one gives a shit as long as they don't have to interact with smash players.
Well, he was in the first wave to really criticize the Mass Effect franchise, so his review of ME2 a few months after it came out comes to mind.
Other than that his look into DA2 is pretty good as well (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA1KPsFV1tQ&index=1&list=PL6CCFE735D2DAA19A) or look at the Deus Ex HR review. The games he's reviewed are separated pretty well in the playlists section of the channel.
Preferably go with a game you've played and see if you like what he has to say, I guess.
There's tons of historical periods that games have never touched. I'd love a game about African history, back when the african people were Kings.
If you want to have other races in games, you would have to completely rewrite stories into something more unintelligible.
Blacks should always be near crime, cannibalism and pointless violence (try making a story around a race that has not enough IQ points to even have morals)
asians would be shitting on the streets and also raping
Most of these other races would not be able to formulate good plans, use technology well or do anything of intellect and will act uncivilized.
The thing is, these other races know that they are like that, so if you just paste a nigger face on a white character, you still wont represent them.
So let the other races just look up to the superior race, there is nothing wrong with that.
No. They end up spending thousands on a worthless degree with worthless information peddled out by meme-spewing professors that stroke their egos on how forward thinking and socially conscious they are in their gated communities 2 blocks from some gang ridden shithole.
That's why you need to vote Bernie, to save them from their crushing debt.
I'm sure publishers have analysts that take a look at what's selling, who's buying it, and forming their strategy based on that. They're not saying "Straight white men rule, fuck everybody else", they're saying "Straight white men are and have always been the primary purchasers and users of our products. We should probably target our marketing toward them.".
I liked this guy's Mass Effect 3 ending analysis, but I just can't follow him down this road.
Annoying voice and cadence, annoying editing, poor sound mixing, stole his style from RLM's review of the Star Wars prequels, often rambles and meanders instead of making clear arguments that lead to a conclusion. Bad humor. 2015 video was really bad, bad video on gamergate/journalism. Sorry it's 440am no detail
>Annoying voice and cadence
Yeah I honestly can't stand his style or voice, but I still think his videos are overall good.
Tumblr got a girl sent to the hospital after she tried to kill herself from comments because she drew a steven universe character with the wrong color skin
What about the erotic novel industry? I think it's about time they stopped pandering to silly female fantasy and be more inclusive of men.
Does all black people share culture? Does a black guy in USA have the same culture as a black guy in Congo? Probably not and the same thing goes all the other races.
The countries in europe does not have the same culture and even an ignorant ass like me knows that all asian and african countries does not share the same culture.
In my humble opinion some people stare themselves blind looking at race when culture is what is actually interesting. People can and should of course make whatever games they like but diversity in terms of culture sounds interesting.
Yea, the entertainment medium is made by white people, for white people. Stories that make sense and dont end up with your enemies heart being eaten 9 out of 10 times, are white.
If they started to make black/asian other other shitskin stories, there would be a lot more superstition, pseudo science, witch doctors. The storyline wouldnt make sense to white people as it would seem retarded.
Our story, game and movie mediums have been derived from our european folklore, from bards, from other european things that make sense, that have structure and logic in them.
Niggers and other lower races dont have that in their culture. So they shouldnt complain about a european invention not catering to them.
Perhaps the niggers should invent their own means of telling stories first. Shit, those monkeys didnt even have really a written language.
THEY DIDNT HAVE A WRITTEN LANGUAGE AND THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT NOT BEING REPRESENTED IN SOME OTHERS RACE MEDIA.
these people are insane.
The nigga used 2000 Census data when 2010 Census data exists. This right there should show you his "study" is glaringly inaccurate.
Here's something we could all agree on
The gaming industry needs more cute boy pandering
Yet another medium where Japan does a better job of serving both men and women.
When will this fucking meme fad die
I'm tired of hearing about diversity and fucking retard shit, it's always the whites too. Whites are the ones 90% of the time complaining that others aren't represented. Shut the fuck up.
Multiculturalism is a joke. Maybe cultures should just keep to themselves.
Also, straight white male protagonist is the safest way to offend the fewest people. You take a minority and make him too stereotypical and people get mad at you for being a racist. You take a minority and make him too bland and they'll say they're just a white man color swap.
Ah what happened with campster?
As in, pandering to cute boys like us, of course.
It'll die in 2016, it already is. 2012-13 were the rise years (with the obvious you-know-who), 2014 was the peak year, 2015 was the turn.
I mean look at how the left reacted to and got reacted by the cologne fiasco. Utter embarrassment, total loss of the narrative.
Doesn't matter. He's also the same kind of person that only counts Anglo Saxon and Germanic as white in an attempt to say whites are being bred out of humanity when total Caucasoid outnumber every race except East Asian and Indian Sub-Continent.
Larsa is cutest boy. Prove me wrong fags.
>Starts video stating how "diverse" developers produce interesting, different games.
>Next, he suggests having different races (from the same country) would somehow be equivalent to the previous point.
Yeah, mane, no. You are mixing two things here. W3 is different because it was made by people with a different cultural background.
Having latinos residing in the USA, or women, develop games WITHIN the USA won't produce the witcher.
He's basically implying white american males can only produce one type of content, which is utter bullshit. Having more diversity in the development team has jack shit to do with the quality of said product. Just look at Bioware.
Not to mention he's talking to CONSUMERS not studios/publishers/developers, who are the ones who actually have a say in the matter.
What a stupid, pointless video.
>Be a gamedev student (well, it's actually called "interactive technology and software design")
>Love it because I'm being taught actual skills that I can use outside of making vidya
>Have the best grades in the fucking course, get myself a sponsored scholarship
>I'm invited to the US for a course on game design, and even supposed to give a speech about game design and technology
>The first thing they show in the course is that "diversity" bullshit
>Stand up and walk the fuck out of there
>When I'm supposed to give a speech I'm interrupted by some random idiot
>Apparently the only reason why they wanted me to give a speech is because I'm from Mexico and they needed diversity
>Apparently I'm also too white for a mexican and they accuse me of racism
>Also, after having to show my fucking passport to prove where I come from (this wasn't my first time in the US, and ironically enough, it was a fucking liberal cunt the one who asked me about my legal status and even assumed at some point I got there ilegally), they wanted me to talk about diversity and how "big bad white man won't let us poor mexicunts and minorities make gaems."
>Eventually just stand up and get the fuck out of there because they're clearly not interested in hearing what I wanted to say
Never again. But on the bright side, I'm going to the next PAX for free.
Then there are all the people who say you're pandering either way. The general rule is to use a white male protagonist unless there's a specific reason for him to be anything else. Not to mention that most of the creators are white, so white is their relatable default in all circumstances other than another race making more sense in the environment.
America is not a white country, it is not of any particular race, because America was founded on immigration, which is precisely why it has done so well, it has nothing to do with the whites living there.
>the rest of the data is pretty even.
but it shouldn't be.
See, if you have a population of 100 white people, 10 black people, and 10 hispanics, then you need to reach an equal representation to all three demographics!
So the only acceptable audience for videogames should be: 10 white people, 10 black people, and 10 hispanics.
My brother literally thought he was a girl, I didn't want to spoil the trap for him.
Trump is a joke candidate just like Bernie. They basically say whatever the fuck they want, get a lot of attention, then the real candidates show up.
The last time a legitimate loon got presidency was Teddy Roosevelt.
Trump is just saying shit that the Fox News audience wants to hear just like Bernie is saying shit the CNN audience wants to hear. Come June we'll have the boring, middle of the road, married to the corporate oligarchy candidates out in front. Trump will drop out and happily accept another zero on his speaking and appearance fees.
Anyone who enjoys games and who is different than the majority should step up to the plate and create this so called masterpiece for his oppressed brethren. We shouldn't assume that just because someone's different that they're as good or better than everyone else.
I'm tired of hearing about cultures altogether. Fuck every culture. It's a meaningless concept people use to excuse taking the easy way and submitting to an arbitrarily defined collective instead of exerting their own individuality and intellect.
Get a fucking identity people. You're not black and you're not white. You're a human being with a brain. Use it. Do whatever the fuck you want and stop worrying about this shit.
>My brother literally thought he was a girl
Everybody did at first.
That's got nothing to do with my point. I wasn't talking about the merits of Trump specifically, but the state of affairs that would turn such a large number of people to a "joke candidate" like him.
is people taking OP seriously?
who expects major publishers to focus on pleasing every minority in the world ?
what about videogames starring non-human protagonists? does that offend people too ?
CUTE BOYS WILL MAKE GAMING GREAT AGAIN
This is not some random fling for Trump, dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI
And there's no point in him dropping out when he's the frontrunner and possibly suiciding his business reputation like this, especially since 'appearance fees' would be peanuts compared to his old job
Holy fuck is this story fucking real
You should've gave a nice satire story to them
Square literally made a girl and just called it a boy. How do they keep getting away with it.
He says pretty explicitly that its more important to cultivate diversity and representation on the developer side, not the product.
I'm against hiring quotas (and I'm pretty sure he didn't vouch for them in the video) because at best they judge value based solely on race and gender, and at worst they keep someone competent or uniquely talented from getting a certain position in favor of someone else.
That being said, there isn't an art industry in existence that wouldn't benefit from a leveled playing field on the development side. Any society which keeps someone who otherwise could make great art (either purposefully or accidentally) us fucking up.
The problem I have with the vid is that he's very vague on how this problem arises, how prevalent it is, and how to solve it. These are the same problems that pop up in every one of these arguments, and no one has a real answer for any of them.
If he stop making videos just because you fucking pathetic manchild beta neckbeards harass him for for having an opinion i'm going to take you down
Most of you are too fucking stupid to even watch his videos let alone understanding his point of view
>is people taking OP seriously?
Lots of people do, created a whole progressive movement shitstorm surrounding hobby media.
>That being said, there isn't an art industry in existence that wouldn't benefit from a leveled playing field on the development side.
Level down the top then. down with the 1% majority!
A lot of candidates are basically in the race to increase their own worth. Trump isn't doing anything that will hurt his business. Guy is in the business of land. Him being a racist telling Mexicans to go home and be shot doesn't hurt the value of land.
Trump has been a controversial idiot forever.
>MRBTongue used to offer a unique analysis of game narratives and mechanics
>now he just preaches identity politics and dime a dozen opinions that can be found all over the internet
What went wrong? He used to be on of my favorite youtubers.
Well i think that this strength is that he actually goes through the story of a game and critiques it. Too many people just says something vague like "the story was interesting"/"the story was not interesting" etc etc and are done with the story. It is refreshing to see someone actually taking stories in games seriously. It would be interesting though to see him make some videos about non Bioware games.
> Music has so many different flavors, so much to love or hate.
Because it's not like genres in video games exist too right?
Oh wait no there's more skin colours in music that's what matters. we need a level playing field in music. We need government funding and school re-education programs to discourage white metal musicians and promote and create black metal musicians, and vice versa for rap artists.
for proper representation, of course.
I actually considered it, but on second thought that seemed like stooping to their level. You know, they gave me a free space to let my voice be heard, I just couldn't use it as an opportunity to throw a fit about political ideologies and the people behind them.
Instead, I just said that it was clear they didn't care about what I had to say, or about video games for that matter. I thanked the staff, apologized for leaving early, and went to a Hooters with my teacher and classmate. Both of them are femake, btw.
Representation is an issue of oppression!
They contradict themselves all the time
They say whites should represent all other races and cultures
then cry foul when it's not a member of the minority themselves representing themselves
I think I agree with most of the video, except the part about wishing Witcher 3 had black people in it.
I would like to see more diversity in video games. I don't mean injecting token characters to every game, but games that take place in unexplored settings and use their setting to its fullest. For example, something like African tribal wars or life under imperialism could be a pretty good setting for a variety of games, and I'm not talking about "Assassin's Creed: Nairobi". Maybe an RPG where you get to decide which tribe you belong to, and get to decide what you try to pursue: uniting the tribes, dominating the others or isolationism?
Something like Fallout: New Vegas or Witcher 3, no shit games that take place in Africa pls
Trump is a literal billionaire. Money is nothing to him. People who actually think his next step wouldn't be running the country are fucking retarded. He's got the money, now he's getting that power
No matter how well developers and publishers try to appease what we say, they still find ways to slip up and offending someone else. Its not that theres no winning or losing, the industry is just trying to break their habits. You don't magically go sober after one day, it takes time. As a turtle I get uncomfortable everytime I play Mario games. I still do, soon Nintendo will "pander" to people like me and making gaming better for everyone.
Agreed. He needs to finish off Inquisition already and move on to something actually interesting.
I do wonder how his legal battle bullshit's going, having to upload videos in low res due to the claim against his channel must suck.
>uniting the tribes, dominating the others or isolationism?
The only possible inoffensive solution is "singing kumbaya and defeating the evil white invaders"
Also it would have to be created solely by african natives or else you're culturally appropriating
>make game with sexy girls with big tits
>somehow this is a crime against humanity
I don't know how they whine that it's "an unrealistic portrayal of a woman" when there are literally sexy big titted women.
Sure not every bitch has nice cow tits, but plenty do
>I would like to see more diversity in video games
Cool, take some classes and make the games yourself. Harassing devs to make diverse games just because you want them is stupid
You fucking idiot you don't get it do you
oppression is power + privilege. It doesn't work the other way around.
Uh, because it just IS better. Period. Because if we do that, then even minorities will be able to enjoy videogames, where they never were able to before because they obviously naturally fucking hate things with white people in them. We have to cater to them and make sure they're having fun with leisure entertainment fluff too, otherwise it's basically like we're living in the slave era all over again with our oppression of them.
Insisting that videogame ethnicities reflect real-world ethnic groups reinforces this dumbass, incredibly racist idea that you cannot "relate" to someone unless you are the same ethnicity as them, thereby hilariously reinforcing and supporting the attitude of publishers in appealing to the majority with the most money.
I don't expect that sort of forethought from these assholes. And that's beside the point:
Anyone who holds an extended argument over statistics in videogames isn't interested in videogames, they're ultimately just interested in statistics. That's not an attitude I remotely condone, and I encourage refusing to engage or discuss anything with that sort.
>still smile everytime I remember both him and Anita getting BTFO when they tried shaming the Doom trailer for being so violent
I mean the game is gonna be shit, but they were shitting all over it for the wrong reason
>My two fav games last year were from Poland and Japan
>Their Polishness and Japaneseness is inextricably linked to why they're good games
>This somehow translates to other countries (America, I guess) needing to "let" more women and trannies make games
>oppression is power + privilege
I always thought this was some shitty meme internet argument. Then I had a teacher in community college who insisted black people cannot be racist, because "racism is prejudice from a position of power"
These people are fucking delusional
I find this really hard to believe. I'm going to have to assume that they simply ignore Japanese games or count Japanese characters as being white based on how they tend to have lighter skin.
>African tribal wars
That has an extremely large chance of being considered racist if you take any missteps. I bet most developers would ironically not consider it worth the risk thanks to the current cultural climate.
I played and enjoyed Just Cause 3 last month.
Do you what I kept saying to myself though?
>Boy, I wish Rico was white and not hispanic, I really can't relate to him as a white male
Oh wait. No, I didn't say that; because who fucking cares?
They are literally trying to change the definitions of words, just so they don't have to have an actual discussion. It's a lot easier to shout someone down than have a debate that you might not win.
Yeah, it's been in their progressive books and pamphlets for decades, not made up at all.
I wonder how they'd be able to mentally process the cologne sexual abuse and rape done by a group of 1000 migrants, they're racial minorities so their rape of pure white german women can't be bad...
How about using your brain rather than your spine? I didn't say the game would have to take Western sensibilities into account, you can never please everyone. Some people are just looking to get offended and now you're acting they're the only people that matter
Did you even read my post? I did not say every game should have token minority characters in them, I said that I wish devs would utilise different settings. I'm tired of European Medieval fantasy, not because I'm an uber-SJW that hates white people, but because it's been done plenty times before.
I bet you think that in a game that takes place in Africa, you'd still think that black people were a "minority"
Harassing devs IS stupid. Who have I harassed? Fucking hell dude, did you even think before posting?
>That has an extremely large chance of being considered racist if you take any missteps. I bet most developers would ironically not consider it worth the risk thanks to the current cultural climate.
Yeah, especially if it's made by white devs. It's a shame, I wish people paid less attention to the professional victims and their "outrage" that just so happens to give them clicks on their shit sites.
They honestly just twist shit and do mental gymnastics to make it seem like they're right.
This was a history teacher, and she literally tried telling us that during the LA riots blacks did not loot or damage any stores that supported blacks. Despite the countless videos showing that they trashed fucking everything
>I wonder how they'd be able to mentally process the cologne sexual abuse and rape done by a group of 1000 migrants
They mentally processed it by ignoring it.
The German police chief in Köln literally lost his job, because he reported that New Year's Eve, "went without incident", when that's literally the opposite of what happened.
People are so terrified of giving ammunition to right-wing people, that they will lie to the media for political reasons; when ironically this is what fuels right-wing opinion in the first place.
>Harassing devs IS stupid. Who have I harassed? Fucking hell dude, did you even think before posting?
When most people talk about wanting diversity in games they want devs to pander to them. I'm just saying if you want more diversity in games then feel free to start making one yourself
>you can never please everyone.
But that's the only way games will ever be TRUE ART! Don't you understand!?
I mean, look at music and movies! They're respected because they're always Oscar winner type art films and never offend anybody...
>games made in a culture that is 90% white
>90% of character are white
WELL NO FUCKING SHIT
Tell africa to go make some fucking video games if you want black protagonists
Racial/sexuality diversity does not lead to gameplay diversity, is he fucking retarded? Gameplay diversity comes from developers encouraging creativity and taking risks, they could be white or brown or purple, it doesn't matter.
I like most of his videos and he generally seems like a smart guy, but for some reason he just accepts SJW arguments unconditionally. Same with a bunch of other YouTubers. It's a damn shame.
Can't wait to finish my book and delve into TW3, when im deep into a book playing a story heavy game I often feel distracted and unable to focus on the game. As for the lack of poc, a fantasy game that takes inspiration from medieval europe could technically have everyone be black even if it appeared strange, my point is that it ultimately doesn't really matter te race even if a white population makes by far the most sense given that it's fantasy and enough reasoning is behind the race of the game population. There's no real weight to any criticism of how the people look though beyond basic game world logic (like cold environments being full of pale humans), it's entirely a persons hard on for a mix of different coloured humans that could possibly have them upset at TW3's white population, get over yourself.
I really didn't expect this from him since he seems to have critical mindset.
I guess I'll just chalk it down to him not knowing enough about the topic as he says but he probably shouldn't make a video about it at all then.
Videogames aren't the fucking news or some school textbook, they have no obligation to represent anything. If you feel paraplegic furry lesbians are underrepresented you can literally just go and make a videogame about it. No one is stoping you.
Most anime style characters are fantasy races from alternate universes where neither americans or japanese exist. And even then most of them are just asian looking characters with funky hair or eyes.
Literally fucking streisand effect blowback. You think they would've learned something from all the other times this happened with much more minor events.
They just stepped into their own coffin with this one though. Either they come off as "racist bigot hitlers!!" by blaming the minorities, or "rape apologist shitlords!" by defending them, because that's the very argumentative framework they set for themselves when accusing everybody else beforehand. It's really something beautiful. Tied their own nooses.
And then of course, I'd love to ask Anita, "So, how many videogames did those migrants play?". Just to put it all in proper perspective.
Nah, he's done it before.
Diversity is just code word for "less white people".
They do not want "true" diversity, i.e the only diversity that matters in the real world; diversity of ideas and opinions.
They didn't actually check to see the actual ethnicity of the characters in game, they just looked at the color of the skin and the type of face and if it looked white then it must be white. These people probably put Tidus down as being hispanic because of the tan skin and blonde hair
and the joke is that he's from Zanarkin and doesn't fit into any of the real world ethnicities.
Did you miss his point that the kind of diversity that the Souls games represent would be impossible without the cultural background?
ie creativity and risk would not be enough.
Ignoring MrBTongue's stupidity for a moment, I unironically want to play a game that takes place solely in (non-Egyptian) Africa. Maybe something like Expeditions Conquistadors. Or something based on folklore.
Or maybe a warlord simulator where you recruit child soldiers and work your way up to conquering the continent. Final boss is a coalition of first world armies who've had enough of your shit.
>Or maybe a warlord simulator where you recruit child soldiers and work your way up to conquering the continent. Final boss is a coalition of first world armies who've had enough of your shit.
You can't do that you bigot
Diversity means nothing more but 'less white people'. Be it in video games, politics, sports, movies or social structure.
Its not our fault that we are the apex of human civilization and basically better at everything than all other ethnicities who walk around on this blue little planet.
To be fair, all the so called 'Asians' in game look like white people than they do like Asians. Blue and green eyes everywhere. Blond and light brown hair are incredibly common. Caucasian facial structures etc. I mean, look at FF for example. Almost all characters look more like central Europeans than they look like Japanese. Same basically applies for almost all Asian games safe for maybe the Shenmu series or stuff like Tekken.
>she literally tried telling us that during the LA riots blacks did not loot or damage any stores that supported blacks
Get the fuck out of here. There's no way she actually buys that.
Yeah but compared to the WEST it's very...diverse...huh...
A gang of hundreds of migrants mass sexually assaulted dozens of girls in a big roving new years celebration, some rapes as well. Similar events happened all over Europe, like sweden and denmark. Big coverups by police, politicians, media. Callbacks to Rotherham (1400 targeted white girl victims by pakistani sex traffickers in britain over many years, covered up because "we don't want to promote racial tensions").
>they have caucasoid features
They have CARTOON features. Don't believe those dumb infographics. Even still, they're still undeniably asian. It's just how they represent themselves.
>tfw I'm one of the few people who want video games to be seen as an important part of modern culture and while I don't really want them to be recognized as art, I want people to see and appreciate the art within them
>tfw people instantly link me to fags like that
>tfw the only other people who share my views on the topic are either japanese game devs or rich people pumping money into game museums
When will this ride stop?
>I mean, look at FF for example.
This is literally japanese fashion model face. I don't understand you people. They mostly all scream ASIAN ASIAN ASIAN.
next you'll be saying Yakuza characters are all caucasians too
>MrBtongue shitting on AAA games
/v/ b-but they are totally for me...
Fuck off you little shits, you cry about AAA games all year long, how they are samey and shit.
He's right. And it is parallel to this fucking boards complaints all year round.
Pale skinned north americans, eastern european and asian men brought us TW3, BB and Siege last year, I think we are doing quite fine without pansexual black disabled diversity trying to change a segment of gaming women will never be interested in given they devote all their gaming time to mobile games, the sims and mmo's, A BIG WHO GIVES A FUCK.
There's nothing wrong with having altered definitions of words for the purposes of academia, the problem is that these retards keep trying to supplant the colloquial term, like just because a professor once called racism power plus privilege so that his bullshit theory would make sense. So now being prejudiced against a race isn't racist.
It doesn't even matter, the thing most people are against is the prejudice, it's just that progressives are so entranced by the idea of racist and sexist as magic curse words that instantly win any argument that they forgot what was behind the words. All they care about is ensuring nobody can use these instant death words against them.
It's just posturing and manoeuvring now, bringing all the mudslinging of politics to the people.
Yeah. But they had no problem reporting about the small group of hooligans who went through Cologne and beat up Muslims "to make a point".
Our government and media are trying to turn our nation into spineless faggots. I hope more people finally realise that our media is shit.
There is no point in being reasonable. When you ask for diversity you ask for mediocrity. You dont negotiate with people who lack arguments. Why should someone be treated better just because of their skin color? Why is protecting one group from 'discrimination' not automatically considered discrimination of another? The hole concept makes no sense. You introduce laws to protect X from being discriminated but by doing so discriminate Y and Z. So your attempt to get rid of discrimination results in theoretical, unproven discrimination turning into the direct and obvious discrimination of 2 groups.
These people dont give a shit about equality. Hell, what the fuck is equality even? Why do people deserve to be treated equally? If they bring less to the table then they should be treated accordingly. Thats how the world should fucking work. The problem is that these people are so brainwashed that they actually believe that they are being held down by other people. They have no evidence whatsoever to prove that they arent accountable for their own misfortune, yet they still claim for it to be the case. After all, its easier to go through life and blame other people for your own incompetence.
There is no so called wage cap. There is no discrimination of black people when it comes to the educational system of the US and so on. All this shit is just fabricated garbage because these peoples are too lazy to get off their fucking asses.
Go ahead and watch this. It might give you some insight why there is no point in arguing with these people. I mean, apart from their inability to provide evidence for their claims, of course.
I still don't understand all this.
I play videogames for ~3 hours everyday, have played them since I was 6 or 7 and not once have I seen misogyny, racism, homophobia or intolerance in the games I play. I'm gay, you'd think I'd pick up on homophobia in something I do every single day..and yet not once have I felt offended by my videogames.
What fucking videogames are people playing and getting all offended by holy shit
Seriously, please give me a couple examples
>women aren't as interested in gaming as men are
Sorry, but that is a complete myth. See this video for a thorough and objective refutation of that notion.
>you'd think I'd pick up on homophobia in something I do every single day
Ah, but here's the ticket!
THE MORE YOU THINK YOU AREN'T AFFECTED, THE MORE AFFECTED YOU ARE
The very fact that you think games aren't oppressive, just proves how oppressive they are, you just can't see it because you're so oppressed by the oppression!
I agree women are as interested in gaming as men, just not the same games and that's fine, there's no issue with women and men generally liking different things, we don't all have to enjoy the same things at the same rate.
Is this a joke? Asians have brown eyes, all of them. Thats due to genetics and blue as well as green eyes being recessive. The only way an Asian could have either eye color is by being a hybrid. In which case hes not Asian anymore, but Asian-White. And even then its incredibly rare. Even if you are half white half Asian you will very likely end up with brown eyes.
Its fantasy but it clear he is suppose to be asain even if the features are different.
Also the only way you can really get hair like that is being albino and thats a whole different ballgame.
fighting games have always had the most diverse casts of characters, is it any wonder they have fostered such a diverse fanbase over the decades that the genre has been alive?
>This turns into de facto racism when the majority are in charge of the government and corporations.
And the solution is to remove the majority from the government and corporations.
Only in white countries, though. Because only whites can be racist.
>XBOX would make tons more money if candycrush was on the store instead of an iphone
Why do people keep complaining about there not being enough X in games when it's easier than ever to just go out and create games themselves? Lead by example and all that. I mean it's fine to have an opinion on things but it's straight up unfair to demand the developers cater to your needs instead of making the game they want to make.
I'm around of these types of people a lot, and it's weird to see what media they enjoy because they find most things offensive. It's mostly shows/movies for children and dramas aimed at high schoolers, since these are the least offensive things around. I mean there's nothing wrong with media for younger people, but it's weird to just watch the Rugrats movie and Bill Nye the Science Guy on repeat.
Not to mention the dramas, they're literally everyone fucking everyone. Everyone is bisexual, and they're all fucking everyone while worrying about Prom and how their parents just don't understand.
>This turns into de facto racism when the majority are in charge of the government and corporations
You know, or maybe these people simply are a) more competent and b) there are more of them here because your fucking people decided to migrate to a white country because the shit hole they came from didnt offer enough?
You know why western countries are well run? Ever thought about it maybe being because of white people? No, I guess that has nothing to do with it. Its just a gigantic coincidence that the west has been the apex of human civilizations for centuries, probably even millennia. People arent equal as long as they fail to provide proof that they can accomplish the same things. And as long as the west is being ran by white people its not racist to acknowledge that they are superior.
After all, why the fuck would you assume that all people are equal when its not all people who managed to accomplish the same things? Thats one of the biggest problems with modern society. People think that because somethings SHOUDLNT BE that it automatically CANNOT BE. But thats not how the fucking world works. Youre not equal unless you prove that you are.
>it conforms strictly to the asian standard of beauty
>BUT LOOK GREEN EYES AND BLOND HAIR HOW IS THAT EVEN RELATED TO BEING ASIAN
and this shit is supposed to be black right
>which is precisely why it has done so well, it has nothing to do with the whites living there.
With respect it started as a colony from a white country with mainly white immigration, it's only been relatively recently that whites haven't been the overwhelming majority.
>You don't know that you fucking idiot. You can't see the future.
>Why do people keep complaining about there not being enough X in games when it's easier than ever to just go out and create games themselves?
No, you just don't understand.
The system is created by white people to hold minorities down. They can't. Infact they can't do anything on their own because that's how oppressed they are.
Just look at detroit, the result of the white man fooling the black man into an automobile career and then deliberately tearing it down to keep blacks under, it is our burden to carry this guilt.
>Expecting Non-European(white for you Americans)/Asian males to learn to program anything
Women who are into gaming, as in, beyond mobile stuff, are usually into action games and JRPGs. So it's either "pick up and play for long amounts of time" (Bayonetta, DMC, and such) or "pick up and immerse yourself in a world that feeds your imagination" (any japanese RPG).
This is the most embarrassing thing I've seen circulating on /v/
I mean how do you look at that and not think it was just made by a bitter faggot who was bullied for being a beta autist? Nobody makes fun of anyone for playing videogames, unless you're actually a fucking loser who would get bullied no matter what. If you honestly think you were ever bullied solely as a result of liking vidya then it's no wonder you were a target. You're a fucking idiot.
I really thought this image would be mocked when it was made but I see it posted over and over and now I realise just how fucking sad and deluded lots of people on /v/ really are. I mean are you fucking serious? Did you REALLY have girls laughing at you for playing videogames? Where does this happen? They laughed at you because you were ugly, not because you played videogames
And even if you DID grow up in some kind of bizarre alternate universe shithole where there was a girl actually fucking idiotic enough to laugh at you for playing videogames when you were 10 years old, maybe it's time you fucking got over it? Or better yet, hold onto that bitterness forever and ever and save images from memecenter 15 years later making fun of girls because you're STILL not over it.
>because America was founded on immigration
Yeah, migration of white Europeans. Thats why the country worked. But hey, its just migration right? Lets ignore the fact that the country almost exclusively consisted of Germans, Brits, Italians etc in the beginning.
Lel, the west was a poor, diseased shithole only some hundreds of years ago, don't get ahead of yourself.
Especially if you're of germanic origin, you people were barbarians with no culture or history until civilized people taught you a middle eastern religion.
Well, who's making the video games?
Because if its just white people making the video games, and then people who are not white buy them anyway, then who actually gives a shit?
Like if all the colored people clearly don't care and spend their money on games about white people, then who's so upset about under representation? Other white people? Why? Why do other white people care more than colored people what fucking color their main character is?
>Lel, the west was a poor, diseased shithole only some hundreds of years ago, don't get ahead of yourself.
Yeah, lets forget about Greece, the Romans, the Holy Roman Empire and so on.
There's more ways to get into gaming than ever before, there is something for everyone, there's no need to change Gears to cater to women, just let people play what they play and not see "only 10% of shooter players are female" as being a problem.
>50% of video game demographics are WOMEN!! HA HEAR THAT!!??
>That means people need to cater to women more!!
I always laughed at this because, if half of us are girls, then clearly they're catering to women just perfectly already. If you cater to them more, it's gonna become 60% female 40% males and so on. They're so fucking stupid.
>black characters are rare in the fighting genre
>most of the characters are asians
>caucasians are the 2nd behind asian in terms of characters
>fgc in the west if full of niggers and spics with low amounts of whites and asians
What point are you trying to make. RTS is full of diverse "races" as well yet mostly whites and gooks play it.