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So... letdown confirmed
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fuck video games
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>Wanted a good stealth game for years
>All recent stealth games have been so shit they won't get sequels
>Only good stealth games are 2D indie playformers
>Pre-ordered this game hoping it would be good

Is it so fucking hard to get a good stealth game? I'm supposed to pay 60 bucks for a game with only 2 fucking levels? I really wanted this game to be good and I knew Square Enix would fuck it up, just not this badly.

Pre-order fucking dropped.
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>>323980265
Literally had one job:

"Make Blood Money 2"

And they still fucked it up.
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>>323980265
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Alright everyone go home, nothing to see here. Just another franchise burning to the ground.
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and yet this piece of shit still remains 60 dollars.
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>ever having any expectations for this game
You brought this on yourself, dumbass
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>Eidos since the Square acquisition

What the fuck are they doing?
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>>32398026
God fucking damn, episodic Hitman: Blood Money? Is no franchise safe?
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>>323982539
>Just another franchise burning to the
>implying it didn't already burn with Absolution
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>>323980265
Just a week ago some dumb-shit anon was calling me an idiot for thinking this new game wouldn't be like Blood Money. I certainly don't remember Blood Money requiring you to download other locations as add-ons.

As usual, it feels good being right.
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>>323983865
Fucking cut and paste

Anyway fuck you square enix
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>>323980265

Why do you consider episodic content inherently a bad thing?
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>Having expectations for any Hitman game after Blood Money
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THANKS SE!
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>>323984152
>Waiting to play a full game
naw fuck you reddit
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>>323984152
Why do you consider AAA games being released incomplete okay?
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>>323982212
this

can't wait to see how the shills are going to spin this one

>it's everything true hitman fans wanted!
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>>323984318
>>323984346

Neither books nor film always tie up overarching plotlines in a single volume/episode, why do games need to be any different?

If the game has tight gameplay and a tolerable plot, while being optimized for PC at a reasonable price point for the length of each segment (with you paying the same amount over time vs a single purchase at the end), why would you mad? Being impatient isn't a valid argument.
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Nothing has really changed other than the fact that they're releasing less content in the initial version so they can get it out the door faster.

We knew the game wasn't being released in a complete state since June.
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>>323984928

So you'd be fine buying a book chapter by chapter or a film scene by scene? Cause that's what you just said about videogames. Fuck off reddit.
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Anyone else excited for Super Mario Bros. Episode 1?
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>>323985208
can't wait for the Luigi costume DLC, fairly priced at $4,99
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>>323984928
>(you)
You Didn't have to try so hard
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>>323985156
An episode that takes several hours of gameplay to complete is not necessarily the same as a single chapter of a book nor a single scene in a film.

You are damning this game to fail before we've even seen any actual gameplay/info on it beyond the episodic model.

At the end of the day it is impossible to know how it will do until we actually see the damn thing. It could very well be shit, but I am not convinced that being episodic makes a game bad by itself
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>>323985354

>Playing $4.99 for a recolour
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>>323984152
I would like to know this as well. You /v/irgins had no problem when the fat one made Half Life episodic. So why is episodic games bad now?
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>>323985687
don't like it, don't buy it

it's optional!
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>>323985756
Half Life 2 was a complete game.
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What the fuck even is hitman?

This is what you get for buying shit games in the first place.
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>>323985756
>comparing HL2 + EP1&2 to this mess

seek help
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>>323985964
2/10 got my reply
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>>323984928
The problem with this is video games are the worst with this. There was already too many sequels. Why can't games be allowed to truly end? This episodic thing seems completely counter to game design. This isn't a tv show. It's a video game.
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>>323985964
looks like a game based on a movie that bombed badly

I'd just ignore it
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>>323985930
>>323985983
>episodes 1 and 2
>fanboys begging for an episode 3 that valve seems to refuse to make

Valve does this worst then any other company out there and you idiots praise them.
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Hey guys, id software here.
We just want to inform you that Doom's Episode 2: The Shores Of Hell will be released sometime during summer 2016.
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>>323984928
>Hitman
>Plot
Fuck off
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>>323985631
Looks like Squeenix is here to do some damage control.
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I don't know how people can compare this to books or movies. it's basically companies saying, 'we can't provide a complete product like we used to. not even a shitty half-baked product with patches to follow. now we'll just release the game piecemeal. thanks for the $60 up front though!'

>>323986180
>Why can't games be allowed to truly end?
$
people clamoring for more
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>>323986268
>released a complete game
>developed and released additional content after launch
>people want nothing more than for them to release a new game
>comparing that to Absolution 2.0

>>323985631
>At the end of the day it is impossible to know how it will do until we actually see the damn thing

It's going to suck, just like absolution did.
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It's probably for the best.
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jesus christ you autists are absurd. just hold off until all episodes are released so you know if it's good or not, then either buy the complete product or pass it off as a shit game

your backlog is large enough to compensate. I'm sure most of you haven't played death to spies.
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>>323986468
lol

>>323986493
>not preaching to the echochamber
>shill shill Shill SHILL SHILL

No anon, you are the cancer

>>323986662

Not all episodic games have been like that. I'm not suggesting this will be good or bad. I'm interested as to why /v/ has this knee jerk reaction about the game before really knowing anything about it.
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>>323982212
fucking this
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How the fuck will this work?
Will episode 1 have like 1 or 2 missions?
If so they better be fucking huge enough and lush with content if they want people to wait for them to shit our more episodes.
This episodic shit is genuinely awful.
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>>323986998
>actually defending this garbage

I SERIOUSLY hope you're being paid for this
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I bet it's going to be like Resident Evil Revelations 2 where everything is included on the disc. Shit's still gay as fuck.
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>2015
>Sell game, optional season pass
>2016
>Sell season pass
>???
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>>323982025
try out styx.
its pretty great.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/242640/
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>>323984928
There was nothing wrong with the original game format.
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>>323986998
Because Hitman Absolution was garbage...?
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And companies are running around flapping their hands wondering why their sales a dropping and why people are choosing to wait and just pirate the full game all at once after it's fully released.

"PIRACY IS HURTING THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY"
> Will you consider not releasing games episodically, so we actually get 100% of the game we pay for?
"NO, BUT DON'T PIRATE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT OUR WAY OR NOT AT ALL"
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>>323987836
>2017
>Sell empty case with a slip telling you the content will be available the next year for an additional 60$
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>Episodic Release

I REALLY hope this doesn't become a new trend.
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>>323988345
It will

Thanks to Tell-Tale
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>>323988345
>BECOME
>NEW
>TREND

W E W
E
W

We're already in hell, lad
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>>323980265
WHY DOES SQUARE DO THIS
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>>323988345
With the inevitable success of ff7 it most definitely will.
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>>323988591

Fuck you, Randy.
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>>323988474

Tell-Tale is one success out of many failures. They've been trying to push episodic games since the mid 00s.
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>>323988591
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>Release full game on launch with around the same amount of missions, more or less, that Blood Money had
>Every now and then release more missions as DLC

What if they did this? I mean it'd be best without the dlc part but this is 2016 so get real nigga
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I thought episodic releases basically existed because it gets players excited for seeing the story continue?

The last time Hitman tried to have a story it fucking sucked, the fuck is this shit? This is just giving us less shit spread out over a longer period of time. Blood money had all the fucking missions at launch and it's still the best in the series.
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>>323988345
Still thinks awards doesn't mean anything? If Tomb Raider and Deus Ex doesn't sell well expect that to happen to then.
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Another old series dies.
Only a couple dozen left and then what will they do?
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You know what

Fuck video games
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Did anyone seriously have high hopes for this game after Assolution?
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Okay. So will it fail?
I could be wrong but I don't think Hitman was ever a super successful franchise outside of a dedicated fanbase. I know I won't bother with this trash.
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>>323989169
>oh no people don't like our amazing model
>guess no one wants hitman anymore ):
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>>323988998
>Another old series dies.
Did you not play the last installment?

>Only a couple dozen left and then what will they do?
A couple dozen seems like a pretty high estimate.

>Commander Keen
>Total Annihilation
>Monkey Island
>Jedi Knight
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>>323988204
it's only good up until you reach the middle of the game. it's then when levels begin to repeat.
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Well, at least Absolution prepared us for the worst. It's not so disappointing when you're not expecting anything.
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>>323980265
did nobody tire out the alpha? it's was pretty decent even in that state.
huge level and many ways to kill your targets.
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ok
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>>323989754
No. I'll play the beta when it comes out soon and see how I feel.
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>>323982212
>one job
>Make another masterpiece
That's quite a tall order. You really expected this after their last game?
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Episodic games are the "safest" make the first 3 hour episode as good as you want. If it flop, make the sequels as cheap as possible.

You know if a game flops or not using, like, 30% of the production value
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Sadly, yes after seeing that demo. I deserved it. Brb death
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>>323990046
Literally just
>copy/paste blood money
>add new levels
>add new weapons
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>>323984152
>>323985756
Well, for one, it will not be as coherent or well-thought out a product as it would have been if it were worked on until it was 100% complete. A TV show, for example, doesn't make one episode at a time then move onto the next, they plan and generally film and produce them all before the first episode even airs.

When you make a game episodic, you can't go back and revise earlier parts of the game to make the story/gameplay/whatever better or more engaging because you already released that content. You're basically setting the tone and general plot for the whole game much, much earlier than you normally would, you're writing and coding yourself into a corner and you have no other alternatives. You can't really edit or change anything.
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>>323990918
>When you make a game episodic, you can't go back and revise earlier parts
you absolutely can. updates
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>>323982212
Ubisoft should've done that with Splinter Cell. They almost managed to do it with Double Agent, but then they fucked up by adding the double agent missions
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>>323982025
But that's wrong. 60 bucks gets you all the shit as it releases. Think of it as one of those "season passes" that have become the norm in recent years.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsfHIH-Nk0c
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>>323990918
Plenty of TV shows only plan an episode or two ahead.
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Why are we getting back to episodic gaming? It failed a decade ago.
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this just means I have to torrent more than once for the entire game.
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>>323991295
Blacklist was solid
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>>323980265
Well fuck that shit, guess I'm not playing this now.
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>>323980265
I'll wait to see the payment structure but Im not holding my breath
Game industry is already the largest in the world and the rise of digital sales in the market has only helped this. They cant go claiming that the upper development costs demand upper pricing
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>>323991248
No, updates do not completely change core gameplay mechanics, characters, entire settings, story arcs, etc. and even if they did that is a waste of time and resources, release the game when it's done.

Once you release the first episode, that first ~20% of your game, all that is more or less set in stone as opposed to it not being final until the game is almost entirely complete. I'm talking basic design-stage stuff, not small tweaks/updates once that's all been decided upon. When you work on and release something, regardless of what it is, piecemeal, working one piece of content at a time, it will generally end up being a less-focused product.
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>>323991606
Most do not.
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>>323991336
>>60 bucks gets you all the shit as it releases.
So you're paying full price for an incomplete game with periodic releases that the consumer base has to wait for because marketing. That's fucking stupid and a terrible business model that only works if your customers have sufficient reason to buy your product in parts. Stretching it out after paying full price makes no sense.
And season passes have generally been for multiplayer content and have had no bearing on singleplayer campaigns.
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The way they use the word "locale" makes me think the game will just be a small amount of levels repeated with slightly different objectives or community made objectives instead of a decent number of unique and well designed levels like Blood Money.
Hope I'm wrong but the developer literally hasn't released a good game in over 10 years.
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Didn't this all get announced months ago?

I'm still holding out hope.
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>valve releases episodes
>everyone buys their shit
>other companies follow through
>"nooooo the end of video games"

You did this
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>>323991985
NO IRONSIDE, NO BUY
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Man. I really wanted this game to be good and sell well, I really did.

But shit like this? Why? They are going to just confuse people, they have changed their mind about the business model like 3 times now. This is going to bomb, and it's all going to be because of this stupid model that make people confused instead of hype.

The last thing you want on release is anger and confusion. For fuck's sake Square, delay the game, sell it whole. You're shooting yourself in the foot.
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>>323980265
Way to kill the hype for your game.
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>>323982025
>Pre-order fucking dropped.
Your fault for always pre-ordering ;)
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>>323980265
FUCK
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>>323980265
Square SQUARE NO
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>>323984152
You're a good goy. They did a good job breeding a fine young consumer like you.
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>>323990347
>If it flop, make the sequels as cheap as possible.
You mean make 2 a piece of shit cutting corners until it's a circle and don't release 3 at all.
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