With an amiibo exclusive dungeon now confirmed, are you glad

I would if it was a Midna only amiibo

I hope the exclusive dungeon is a "recap" dungeon like most iterations of Ganon's tower.

>>323938896
why would I want to play again the worst 3D Zelda?

>>323938896
IT'S OKAY WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT

>>323938896
Pre-ordered before I even knew about the dungeon.

I don't give a fuck since amiibos can be pirated

>>323938896
Nope cancelled my shit.

>>323939095
No Zelda will ever be worse than SS

>>323939095
>Worst 3D Zelda
>It's literally Ocarina of Time, but more of it, plays better, looks better, exactly what the fans asked for when it was announced.

But then it came out and fags were like 'this isn't what we wanted we wanted more wind waker'.

But when Wind Waker came out, fags were like 'this isn't what we wanted, we wanted more Ocarina of Time'

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>>323938896
>amiibo exclusive dungeon

>>323939362
It's good, don't be a fag.

I didn't and right now I'm hoping the extra "dungeon" is a Cave of Ordeals-type challenge run or something similarly inconsequential. We'll see.

That said, aside fromt the amiibo thing, why are the port's graphics the primary thing people care about? Wind Waker HD was made worthwhile by the slew of improvements in every area BUT graphics.

Just offhand, WWHD has the following:

>rearranged soundtrack with better midi libraries
>Hero Mode which actually makes the early game slightly tense
>vastly improved interface, dedicated buttons for Wind Waker, sail, cannon and crane, thus much less fucking around in menus
>shortened animations
>streamlined Triforce quest
>first-person movement
>more versatile controls when swinging on ropes

And a whole lot of other shit documented on the Zelda wiki.

TPHD is looking to be going in the same direction, with fewer Tears of Light required and the rupee cap being at least doubled. The reason to like WWHD and to buy TPHD istn't the fucking graphics, it's the fact that they're the 2.0 versions of the games.

>>323938896
No, because I'm not interested in that amiibo at all and I told myself I wouldn't buy another remake of a zelda game as long as Nintendo doesn't come out with a new zelda game.

>>323939530
Apparently called the Twilight Cavern

How about they actually add WWHD's shading system so it looks better than a mid-2000s MMO.

>>323939575
TPHD does look like a serious upgrade visually though. The textures were always the game's greatest sin.

>>323938896
I wasn't really planning to buy this at all.

but considering that they are at least adding a new dungeon, i guess i will have to bite.

>>323939575
Just being able to select different items while playing and without accessing menus made it worthwhile for me.

>>323940086
but it looks like only the textures are getting updated, while the game would need a whole new lighting system.

eh I'll just go to best buy when they open and get one there.

>>323939575
>Double rupee cap

Hopefully that piece of shit armor is useful now

>>323940086
TPHD is the biggest bullshot game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_fyOkrteqM

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>>323938896
>paying 60 bucks for a HD retexture
>there's also a amiibo-exclusive dungeon

Just when you thought Nintendrones couldn't get more sad

>>323940086
This. The comparison videos sold it for me, the jump in visual quality is larger than WWHD in my opinion, it really is night and day when comparing the original and HD now.

I'd rather get that fake amiibo that can imitate any other given amiibo and cancel my preorder.

That is fucking disgusting and I'm appalled by seeing Nintendo do garbage like that.

>>323940421

Only for the end of the cave of ordeals.

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>>323940979

>The jump in visual quality is larger than WWHD

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>>323940890
>Battlefront met EA sales expectations despite it being not even half a game with only 4 levels
>Battlefront is not available on Wii-U

At this point Nintendo is the lesser of two evils. At least they're buying full games.

>>323938896
Did Nintendo finally do a press release for it? Or are we still confirming from Amazon France?

>>323941108

>PKeks will defend the upper picture

Question, is the OST gonna be included for Murrika or is it Europe only?

>>323941108
Did GC really looked that bad? well, shit.

>>323941187

Amazon, but I vaguely remember them leaking this type of shit for WWHD which turned out to be accurate

>>323941108
Well TP is actually an improvement as small as it may be, so he's right.

>>323941108
What I said is true anon. Look up the videos. WW was always a good looking game so they didn't have to re-build much, however TP has always had texture issues so they've been completely re-built.
Don't get me wrong I own WWHD and think it's visually stunning, but the texture changes in TPHD have the larger impact.

>>323941313
They also got SSB Wii U right as well with the board game mode

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>>323941108
Objection! The picture above is not an accurate reflection of what WW originally looks like, because this screenshot was taken from an upscaled version on PC.

If you really want to compare, show the real evidence! A screenshot straight from the gamecube!

No I'm glad I never got a Wii U.

>>323941469
A U T I S M
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>>323941469
Done

>>323941469
wew Phoenix calm your tits

>>323941146
I don't know what does that has to do with that post but keep apologizing for your favorite company

>>323938896
Every physical version comes with an amiibo, so the only one at a true loss are those using the meager hard drive on the Wii U and downloading digitally.

>>323939362
>3 hour tutorial.
>no path alternation at all (you could in OOT a BIT)
>blurry grey/gold graphics

Skyward sword was worse but TP was worse than all the 3D zeldas before it.

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>>323941721
Finally going to cum all over Midna.

>>323941737
Only retail copies come with the amiibo you dullard

>>323941639
Well the complaint was about Nintendrones buying a HD retexture for full price, meanwhile everyone outside of Nintendo had already done that with Battlefront, which actually has less content than TPHD. So in the grand scheme of things, people outside of Nintendo are even bigger shit eaters than the Nintendrones are.
Oh, and the comment at the end? pointless. I'm an idort.

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>>323938896
>TP is my favorite Zelda
>my brother lent my copy to a friend and I have never seen it again
>TP remake comes out and its got a new dungeon holy shit
>mfw have to buy the amiibo to access the new dungeon

Im not mad, just disappointed.

>>323941578
That's not a true screenshot.

>>323941356

WW was so simplistic-looking with the flat backgrounds that it was easy to make better. TPHD has the new textures, but it's not that much better at first glance. It's also extremely stupid to not implement a lighting system that's all ready to go.

>>323939362
>BIGGERER AND MORERER IS BETTERER
Yes, it's 'more' of Ocarina of Time. But we'd been there and done that, it was also structured more clumsily than its spiritual predecessor, and was all over the place from a narrative perspective.
It was OoT with more 'stuff', but as it turns out 'more stuff' can be seen as 'fucking clutter', and is often best left out.

Blackmail.

>>323942031
>at least Nintendrones dont eat as much shit as these other shit eaters

I don't know if that's something someone should be proud of

>>323941887
But every time you do it you'll be a drip of being a homo furry.

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I want to be__ Midna!

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>>323941108
>All that shitty bloom
>They could have just added more polygons and it'd look perfect

>>323938896
>buying a "HD" rerelease of one of the shittiest Zelda games
TOP FUCKING KEK

>>323942587

The character models looked worse sometimes in WWHD, but the environments looked a million times better.

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>>323938896
>oh no the amiibo menace engulfs me

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>>323942796
Like I said, all they had to do was smooth things out. I don't like being blinded by the bloom coming off the water when I'm sailing.

>>323939362
I must have forgot about all the parts in OoT where you play as a wolf that controls like ass and wasn't fun in the slightest.

>>323942617
The shittiest Zelda game is Zelda 2. No contest.
Maybe, if you count Crossbow Training as a Zelda game.

And sure, an HD remake of Zelda 2 sounds interesting.

>>323942987
>>323942587

The original just looks dull and washed out. The strong bloom is actually more authentic for sunny weather by the sea, and it makes it a lot more immersive and comfy.

>>323943037
>reading comprehension: the post

>>323943037

>Shittiest Zelda game not SS

That games handholding was insulting to me as a fan of what the series used to be.

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>>323943143
>The original looks dull and washed out
Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad

>>323942434
So wolf link is Midna's cum rag? I like that idea.

did they announce what this version's controls will be like? I'm replaying the Wii version of TP right now and it's currently my only huge complaint.

it feels exceptional for anything that requires aiming, but the sword combat and flying sections with waggle controls feel awful. I hope it's like WWHD, OoT3D, and MM3D with a dedicated attack button and motion controls being used for aiming

Midna > Zelda

>>323943285
that is not at all what the original looked like, this screenshot is from dolphin

>>323943359

lol

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>>323943129

>>323943267
hngh

>>323943234
SS was certainly the biggest disappointment in recent memory.

Although my trouble was less the handholding and more the world building aspect.
Even the oldest games in the series did that better than SS.

>>323943285
the colors look a lot better in WWHD than they did before. Just look at >>323941108

>>323943537
It's just a larger render. That's exactly how the original looks, aesthetically.

>>323943234

SSHD with improved controls and reduced hand holding when

>>323943554
>putting the sig on the mask

The just hurts me for some reason.

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>>323941578
Now that's more like it.

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>>323943562

>>323943669
I don't believe you, but I can neither really prove you wrong, oh well

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I think people overstate the problems with TP a bit.

>overly long tutorial
Yeah this is a problem but once it's over it's over, it's not like say SS where there are new tutorials every 30 minutes.
>wolf controls are ass
Yeah this one is legit, but outside of the bug hunt shit there's not really a ton of forced Wolf segments.

>empty overworld
Most 3D Zelda over worlds are actually empty as fuck. WW in particular just gives the illusion of there being more to do since it divides it's world into sections instead of things being less evenly distributed.

It's not a flawless game by any means but not nearly as shitty as some folks try to make it out to be either.

>>323943596

We're of pretty much the same mind then hombre, since that aspect was my second most loathed aspect. I would have dealt with the handholding if I were actually given a bevy of New Hyrule to explore, as the premise for the game seemed to imply, but instead we get literal retreading the game.

>>323943728

NX if I had to guess, probably alongside the next Zelda spin off. I hope they don't bother, and remake a game that deserves it like LA. Now that's a Zelda story that deserves to be told again.

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>>323943929
It's a benefit of cel shading without shit textures

>>323938896
THAT'S BULLSHIT! FUCK

>>323943037
>he's still propagating the Zelda 2 was different and too hard therefore it's shit nonsense
>he doesn't appreciate the challenge and action gameplay where each enemy felt like a threat because he's used to just mashing HYAH all the time

I'm actually more likely to preorder the LE now that it's confirmed there will be meaningful content tied to the amiibo. I'm still annoyed I was never able to play the Four Swords extra dungeon in GBA ALTTP due to the need to complete Four Swords, which wasn't possible for me.

Man, I sure do like Midna butts.

>>323944162
>he didn't use the glitch

>>323944071

ALTTP, LA, OOA and OOS all deserve to be remade with ALBW's engine.

>>323943037

Autists like you are why everyone just prints rehashes and remakes today.

>>323943037
>shittiest Zelda game is 2
holy shit can this meme die you didn't even play it

make a serious criticism of Zelda 2 that makes it the worst one.

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>>323944261

I'd prefer to fuck Imp Midna more than True Form Midna, tbqh.

>>323944398
ALBW's engine just feels so fucking good

>>323944154
I'm telling the same thing to Paper Mario fanboys with regard to Super Paper Mario, but they won't listen.
It's a different type of game than expected, but still highly enjoyable.
I won't defend the 3DS Paper Mario. That's garbage beyond salvation.

>>323943037
Zelda 2 is awesome though. Shits all over Zelda 1.

>>323944084

WW barely had any real textures. It was like 70% solid colors.

>>323944398

Agreed completely. Nothing gets my dick more diamonds than the notion of flipping onto a tree stump and switching through the seasons on current gen tech. It was the most satisfying world navigation gimmick of a 2D Zelda hands down.

>>323944481
Sticker Star is just awfully designed in nearly every way

>>323944398
>Koholint Island in ALBW's engine
I came.

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>>323944461

>>323939575
>Streamlined Triforce quest
There's a difference between "streamlining" and "cutting content because 10 year olds can't figure out how to use treasure charts."

>>323944481
Super Paper Mario is a really good paper mario game. I just wish they went back to the original formula afterwards instead of shitting out the aberration that is Sticker Star.

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>amiibo exclusive dungeon
Go fuck yourself Nintendo. You are EA tier.

14 dollar day zero DLC for an HD re-release

Nintendrones are literally defending day one, on disc content for an HD RE-RELEASE after shitting on HD and Definitive re-releases for the last 2 years (which included all DLC for their respective game as part of the package).

>>323944765
They were making a proper Paper Mario and then Miyamoto went full fucking retard. Remember the screenshots of the Chain Chomp partner?

>>323944415
Not that guy but I can name a couple:

>the lives/continue system can be pretty unforgiving at times, especially since some of the later dungeons require you to grind your way across several enemy laden death traps just to even attempt them again
>some of the "puzzle" solutions are Simon's Quest tier cryptic bullshit
>fucking Death Mountain

I wouldn't call it the worst Zelda though.

>>323944746
But you still have to use treasure charts for like 4 of them. Why are you being retarded?

>>323944773
Even EA doesn't force ads onto youtube videos that have their games being played in them.

>>323940086
Because even with that it still looks considerably aged. I don't get why they messed with the lighting engine for WW, a game still largely loved for its simplistic graphics, yet refuse to update TP's lighting engine.

Great lighting can often make even mediocre models and textures look great.

>>323944872
git

>>323944872
good

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>>323944987
>>323945017
damn

>>323944872

Well yeah, it's the most obtuse Zelda game in terms of progression, without a doubt, but anyone who understood the basic principles of go everywhere and do everything could certainly navigate their way to the end, provided they got gud at combat.

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>>323944987
>>323945017
>less than a minute apart

The fuck? Also I never said it was too hard as I've finished the game several times, but that doesn't mean it isn't flawed design.

>>323944867
Yep, I was so hyped back then ;_; I just wish Myamoto didn't have such a boner for simple games that can be played by anyone

>>323944746
They didn't cut anything, there's still the same amount of treasure charts, they just put new treasure where Triforce pieces were before.

>>323939315
SS is pretty good, fuck off
TP is the worst.

>>323944872
>>323945156

Romhacking.net has a patch that reduces the combat difficulty to roughly Zelda 1 level. I tried that out after finding the normal game too unforgiving and had a really good time, with the challenge intact.

>>323945410
You can't say that yet, anon. Come back after Zelda U is released and people shift focus to shitting on it so that SS gets less hate and more support.

>>323945410

TP is a Zelda game.
SS is a motion control tech demo that sacrifices all game design to maximize gimmick use.

>>323943037
Fuck you. Zelda II is great. You should really kill yourself. Zelda 1 is the worst Zelda.

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>>323944067
>Most 3D Zelda over worlds are actually empty as fuck.

The fuck are you on about? The area of Termina Field immediately surrounding Clock Town had more stuff by itself than the whole of TP's overworld. OoT had plenty of sidequests and hidden areas outside of dungeons as well, and if you only did the story quest, you wouldn't even see a tenth of the Great Sea. TP, on the other hand, has nothing other than shitty bugs for wallet upgrades, a half-assed ripoff of Gold Skulltulas with fewer rewards, and heart pieces that just lie out in the open rather than requiring you to do anything special to win them.

>>323945642
So how does the 3D model work? Do they model the tits or not?

>>323945410
zeruda cycaru

>>323945710
>The fuck are you on about?
I think he's talking about the TRUTH.
>The area of Termina Field immediately surrounding Clock Town had more stuff by itself than the whole of TP's overworld.
You are wrong little dipshit. Termina Field has what? A few holes you dig up for heart pieces. The observatory you go to once in the entire game. WOW.

>>323945493

Hey man, I'm glad you had the chance to enjoy such solid gameplay, even if you had to rock reduced difficulty. That combat has never been topped by any further entry in the series, and I've played them all.

>>323945765
Why do people claim Zelda cycle? I liked SS day one and I never really cared for TP. TP was incredibly dull and SS was vibrant and full of life.

I remember playing TP back years ago. I beat the first dungeon, wandered the world map, reached Kakariko, and then kind of lost interest in the game. I think I had realized during my run through of Wind Waker that I didn't enjoy modern Zelda games, and was just playing them out of obligation. Eventually, the game was traded into Gamestop and I never even noticed it was gone.

Sometimes I debate going back to it, though. I don't know.

>>323945758
Usually with models or even concept art the subject is drawn "naked" then everything else comes later. So the model was built naked, but the hair is modeled into the chest after.

>>323945758

I'm pretty sure they did.

>>323946090
the Zelda cycle literally states people will say exactly what you're saying right now

your post could be an example image on an article about it

>>323946090
Same. I did use to be more critical of TP when it came out, I eventually got tired of repeating myself over why I dislike it. That may be part of what causes the perception that the general opinion towards a game shifts with time.

Why do Zelda threads always devolve into arguments about SS vs TP?

>>323945934
Don't be mad, I would miss half the content too if I used Fi's Notebook to get everywhere.

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>>323945642
Her face? Let's hope so.

>>323946719
Well, at least this thread was about TPHD and not Zelda U.

https://youtu.be/pSjP7qxsSzk?t=27s

>>323946804
her face is the best part

>>323946475

It's easier to say you like something after the initial heat has worn down. However, if you're here long enough you can see that some opinions remain the same, and those are the ones closest to the truth. Windwaker has cut content issues that fuck with the pacing in a big way. Twilight Princess did a real shit job at making items useful or fun outside of their respective dungeons. Skyward Sword underdelivered on the premise of a completely unexplored Hyrule by deciding to reuse the same couple areas.

It's not a limited edition. They'll be readily available without pre-order.

>>323946719
>Why do ___ threads always devolve into arguments about ___?

wheredoyouthinkyouare.jpg

>>323946859
literally the same

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>>323945642
>>323946868

>>323946965
Literally blind

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>>323946868
Certain charm about them

>>323946965
>being this blind

Kek

>Zelda U delayed until 2017

Was this the fate you chose?

>>323947146
Jesus fuck was it really?

>>323947110
I hate this goddamn artstyle. OOT3D shits all over it.

>>323941539
more like
P L A Y E D O N E M U L A T O R S O H E K N O W S J U S T B Y L O O K I N G A T I T
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>>323946859

It's just the same thing with HD textures slapped on.

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>all these Midna fans
>all these peasants who aren't proud knights of the Insect Kingdom of Her Royal Highness Princess Agitha

>>323938896
Confirmed? where? Isn't it still a rumour?

>>323947259
Nothing announced but it's nintendo. They will delay it to 2018 if they think it wasn't up to snuff.

>>323947259
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
we need this at the top, we really do.

>supporting Nintendo
>2016

Nah, I'm good senpai

>>323947018
>>323947134
The textures and the new dungeon will be dumped and put into dolphin

>>323946918

That's just a matter of naming flaws in a reasonable manner. You can see those and still like the games and not say "0/10 ruined the series".

>>323947363
It's almost as if its a HD remake!

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>>323947363
Isn't that the point of an HD port?

>>323947375
Amazon put it on the game description.

>>323947539
>Amazon
>Not actually confirmed

Ok, now where is it confirmed?

>>323947518
Sure, but not for a $60 price tag. Worth $20 at most.

>>323938896
>Disc locked content
>Confirmed to be disc locked content in the next zelda game as well that needs the wolf link amiibo
That's really terrible.

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>>323947363
>HD remake
>its just the same thing with HD textures slapped on

>>323944746
The whole triforce quest is in there because the 3 dungeons to replace it were cut.

>>323947628
It's not Amazon France has it listed as the bonus so expect Bloodborne for PC in 2015 guys

>>323947698
That's with the amiibo, it will cost less without it

Glad to see nintendo is still pushing the most anti consumer content delivery method in the whole games industry, still.

What's the dungeon? If it's terrible then I won't bother.

If it's one of the better dungeons in the series, sure I'll get the amiibo.

>>323938896
Are they even selling the game at retail without the Amiibo bundled with it?

>>323947846
Why are you defending the price tag?

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>>323947470

>>323947950
>most anti consumer content delivery method in the whole games industry

>on disk DLC
>just get a single line of code allowing for some content thats already on disc
>Amiibo
>buy a physical figure for same price
>get a single line of code allowing for some content thats already on disc

Not saying either practice is ok but amiibo is marginally less cancerous then on disc DLC because you get to own a figure

>>323948260
You were the one who brought it up in the first place, I was talking about the graphics of the game

>>323945598
SS still has more creativity and did far more to actually advance the series than TP did. It fixes so many mechanical flaws the series has had for ages.

>>323948329
Wut? It's the exact same shit as on disc dlc except it is tied to a limited physical good that usually costs more than that DLC would have and because of its limited nature can often cost far more.

For anyone who doesn't feel compelled to collect the amiibos this is worse than on disc dlc.

>>323939362
>Ocarina of Time, but more of it, plays better
If you think that you don't understand what makes OoT good at all.

>>323943035
This, the wolf segments were just awful pace killing mistakes.

Why did they latch on to that gimmick when they had nothing good to do with it?

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>>323948576
I don't think anyone knows what made Ocarina of Time good.

TP is better than Windwaker.

More dungeons which are of a consistent quality and actually somewhat challenging on your first run and the world map actually has stuff in it that's worthwhile.

The only department in which WW is better is the graphics which have aged far better, and maybe the story.

>>323948460
>limited
Its not like its limited on purpose.
>costs more than DLC
Amiibo costs between 10 and 15 bucks depending, most DLC is within this range, with sometimes higher prices

Thats subjective, I'd rather own a figure and have on disc DLC rather then just have on disc DLC

>>323948753
>Why did they latch on to that gimmick when they had nothing good to do with it?
This defines most of the last 10 to 12 years of nintendo's existence.

>>323949086
Definitely the story. TP's may have been more complex but Wind Waker's was told better and never forgot that Link is the main character

>>323949101
>Its not like its limited on purpose.
So? It's still limited in a way that makes it worse for the end user than on disc dlc.
>Amiibo costs between 10 and 15 bucks depending, most DLC is within this range,
Most larger DLC packs cost around that. Most on disc dlc consistes of generic cosmetic crap/bonus items that usually go for a few dollars.

You are shifting away in your comparison from what it originally was.

>>323949086
TP was just all-around bad.

>>323949198
To be honest I don't really remember much of either since Zelda stories rarely leave a mark on me, but this sounds about right. TP gets points for Midna though, she was interesting.

>>323949268
It's the opposite for me, I thought TP was all-around consistently high quality. Only real exception being the wolf parts, but the only real awful thing about that is the bug hunting. But almost every Zelda game has segments like this.

>>323948460
>It's the exact same shit as on disc dlc except it is tied to a limited physical good
The game fucking comes with the amiibo, you can see that in OP's picture you fucking moron. That's the only version you can even preorder at this point, it is not labeled as limited or special edition either.

Stop shitposting.

>>323949443
>TP gets points for Midna though, she was interesting.

But she was too interesting to the point that Link's journey feels inrrelevant. It's why I don't particularly begrudge Wind Waker for shelving Tetra after the Princess Zelda reveal.

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>>323948753
>Knowing that I had raised the expectations of end-users by promising that a realistic Zelda was on the way, I knew that I had to come up with something brilliant, something that would take advantage of the look of the game. My staff suggested that changing the environment would change the gameplay and looking to past Zelda games which use the contrast between two different worlds, dark and light, past and future, we thought to incorporate this idea again. This is when the idea that Link would transform into a wolf was proposed. The idea of Link’s transformation into a wolf came from The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, in which Link transformed into a rabbit in the Dark World. We wanted to change Link’s environment, but we also wanted to make a completely different skill set available to him in this new environment and thus create a completely different style of gameplay. We wanted him to become an animal, combining the ideas of both the wild and heroic into one. That’s how we came up with the idea of the wolf. I was also scolded by Miyamoto who said, “It’s hard enough to get a two-legged Link to move around in a 3-D world convincingly. To consider a four-legged wolf is something an amateur would do." I knew that what he was saying was right and would eventually regret having even tried it, but even if it was a challenge at the time, I thought that this kind of disruptive breakthrough was just what the staff needed to change their way of thinking.

>>323949086
Agreed about the dungeons, but I loathe TP's Hyrule. I legitimately had more fun with the Great Sea because at least you knew you'd find something in every square, as repetitive as scouring each was. TP's overworld had fuck-all in it and featured no collectibles aside from Pieces of Heart, a few of the golden bugs and mostly goddamn useless rupees you couldn't even grab most of the time due to the wallet being almost certainly full at every given time. I hope they remove that retarded limitation in TPHD aside from pushing the amount of rupees you can hold up to 2000 like they did.

>>323949452
One, we are talking about amiibos in general. You'd know this if you read the whole conversation and made even a token attempt to understand it.

Two, not everywhere, and there is a standard version and a more expensive version with the amiibo in some regions.

Next time try to understand what you are replying to.

I would have preordered but i had just finished a playthrough the day before this was announced

>>323949654
Ah, so he didn't really have any ideas to make it work in gameplay, he just went with it.

>>323949662
I like TP's Hyrule. It and Spirit Tracks are the only Zelda games where I feel like I'm exploring a full blown kingdom

The great sea's advantage lies in how quickly it opens up.

>>323949250
>So? It's still limited in a way that makes it worse for the end user than on disc dlc.
Its not really Nintendo's fault that amiiboo is far bigger than they expected and the whole shipping issue. Yeah its shitty in how high demand some amiiboo are and the faggot price scalpers.
>Most larger DLC packs cost around that. Most on disc dlc consistes of generic cosmetic crap/bonus items that usually go for a few dollars
Not sure where you've been for the last few years but the majority of on disc DLC (in particular fighting games) isn't just cosmetic/bonus bullshit.

>>323949857
>Its not really Nintendo's fault that amiiboo is far bigger than they expected and the whole shipping issue.
They chose to lock game content on a disc behind a PHYSICAL product. The limited nature is entirely their fault because they chose to use a system that will always be limited. You understand that I'm not just saying limited as in hard to find, but limited as in finite relative to unlimited digital purchasing, correct?

>Not sure where you've been for the last few years but the majority of on disc DLC (in particular fighting games) isn't just cosmetic/bonus bullshit.


Start dropping some examples.

>>323949760
Pretty much. Then he went to work on Minish Cap and left the team to their devices. Unsurprisingly, nothing really flourished.

A lot of TP's dev in interviews and concept pieces comes across as "we had no idea what the hell we're doing, just throw things at the wall until they stick"

>>323949857
>Chooses to sell disc locked content with toys
>Not their fault that there is a limited supply

dude, really?

Let us not defend amiibos so much, they're definitely not a consumer-friendly way to add content to games. But then again, no-one's forcing you to buy them, and even in this case it's something extra on top of an already full game, they're not forced to give it for free. If you're willing to drop the money for it and the figure, you do, otherwise you don't. No skin off anyone's back.

>>323938896
>exclusive dungeon

Probably just one of those shitty caves with rupees at the end.

Or a mini-dungeon connecting TP to Zelda U.

>>323938896
>amiibo exclusive dungeon

ok now i'm mad

>>323939095
this isnt SS

>>323938896
No. TP sucks.

>>323941146
This is probably the worst attempted defense I have ever seen.

>>323949663
>One, we are talking about amiibos in general. You'd know this if you read the whole conversation and made even a token attempt to understand it.
Oh, sorry my reply was not up to your standards, I'll be sure to continue not giving half a shit in the future.

Amiibos lock out FAR less than any DLC you get in other western AAA games. The most substantial content locked behind them is the ability to use them in Smash as AI fighters. Just about everything else is a cosmetic item/costume, and you'd be paying anywhere between $5-10 for something like that on any other platform, and you wouldn't have a physical figure either. When it's not cosmetic, the game COMES WITH the amiibo and is still th standard $60, like MP10, Amiibo Shitfest and now this game.

>Two, not everywhere, and there is a standard version and a more expensive version with the amiibo in some regions.
The version that comes with an amiibo is $60, the standard price for a video game. If Mario Party 10 is anything to go by , the game will be $50 without the amiibo. If you're paying more than that, sorry, that's your country's import laws and taxes fucking you. Move somewhere that isn't some third-world shithole. If you're complaining about amiibos ruining your video games, then you're clearly at least living within your means and have some disposable income.

Sorry, a $13 figurine locking out a cosmetic costume is not at all comparable to, say, Battlefront's $50 season pass that had more content in it than the base game did or something like TLOU's mountains of paid cosmetic DLC.

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>TFW this isn't actually confirmed
>TFW you faggots are taking an amazon post as gospel

Holy shit, i never knew autism spread

>>323950536
I'm just hoping it's confirmed because it'd be the best possible value for the figure over an item a la Hyrule Warriors or irrelevant costumes like many other games.

>>323950015
Correct, but you also have to understand nintendo saw through that, and thats why theres amiiboo cards, which aren't very hard to produce.

SxT, Mortal Kombat X, King of Fighters XIII, TTT2, Mahvel 3, Bioshock 2, Sonic Generations, The Crew, Guilty Gear XRD

Thats just off the top of my head

>>323950628
But then we'll have endless threads full of shitposting:
>WOW SO ITS OKAY WHEN NINTENDO LOCKS CONTENT BEHIND A LIMITED-RUN FIGURINE
Ignoring the fact that the game fucking comes with the amiibo.

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>>323950148
>sells like unexpectedly high
>harbour strikes
>nintendo's fault

Watch it be a simple ass temple.

>>323950823
I don't care about /v/'s shitposting.

>>323950919
>Doesn't understand that physical goods are always limited.
>Doesn't understand that digital content is not.

>>323950982
>it's a LADX Color Dungeon-style five minute dungeon

>>323950015
Nintendo themselves came right out and said they were disappointed most people just collect them and don't use them for games. Most people don't give two shits about the costume the amiibo unlocks in Mario Kart, they're just buying them because they're collectible figurines.

The only people that actually care are shitposters like you that pretend a single cosmetic item being DLC in an already-complete base game is the worst shit ever while games like Battlefront literally lock half the fucking base game behind a $50 season pass, on top of the $60 the game already costs.

>>323950919
Nintendo has already reissued lots of the harder to find Smash amiibos anyway. The days of buying from scalpers are long gone, Nintendo now knows how much demand to expect.

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>>323951173
That's irrelevant to what I'm saying retard, the guy I was replying to was complaining about the limited supply and blaming nintendo
But thanks for the (You)

>>323950805
>and thats why theres amiiboo cards

Aren't there not even amiibo cards for most of the amiibos?

Also, you had to cherry pick the prime examples going back through last gen. A lot of those don't even fit. mvc3 didn't have fully finished character data, mkx had $5 of disc locked shit, not 10 to 15. Most disc locked shit is cosmetic preorder bonus garbage and you know it.

Do you really want to contrast this to needing multiple amiibos to unlock the disc locked shit on project steam or splatoon?

>>323951568
That was me, and I was saying that it's retarded that you think there was any way a physical good wasn't going to have a set supply.

There's only as many as they produce, i.e. a limited supply. A supply with limits. Not infinite.

>>323950474
>Canada
>third world shithole
no

we're getting fucked hard. minimum wage hasn't changed in years but video games are over 90 dollars after taxes now

>>323951223
>that pretend a single cosmetic item being DLC in an already-complete base game
You should probably stop saying this when we are in a thread about an entire zelda dungeon being locked behind an amiibo.

Also, what games locked half of the actual core base game behind a $50 season pass? Battlefront? Battlefront didn't even have a base game, it's functionally multiplayer only and universally reviled for it. What else?

>nintendrones defend on disc dlc locked behind a physical dlc paywall

wew lad

>>323952140
Every time, forever. Some of them still pretend they only lock cosmetic content when that literally wasn't true from launch.

>>323939095
This isn't Fedora's Mask

>>323952260
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>323951629
I don't know, I know they exist, but all that matters is they eliminate the need for amiibo content.

Last gen? Huh, didn't know MKX and The crew were last gen. Not to mention MKX had far more than just 5 dollars of on disc DLC. Not to mention I played guilty gear XRD on next gen and it came out recently. If you haven't noticed there isn't exactly a lot of fighting game on next gen. Also blazblue.

And yeah, most preorder bonus bullshit is cosmetic, but that doesn't change that nintendo is far from the only company doing this.

Splatoon ads a few different weapons in the single player, which is pointless anyways and project steam just added two playable characters, Ike and Marth, and considering its a SRPG, I wouldn't say its that big of an issue compared to a fighting game character.

>>323951945
The issue isn't minimum wage is harper fucking our dollar over.
Raising minimum wage only hurts the middle class, but those kikes won't lower videogame prices because unless if america lowers it, we won't

>>323939530
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/01/14/wolf-link-amiibo-takes-legend-zelda-twilight-princess-hd-players-twilight-cave/

You let this happen.

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>People still hating on Nintendo for doing actual DLC.

>>323950410
Whatever you say drone. Keep parroting on about it's ok when Nintendo does it when everyone else is doing it worse than they are. I mean this is the board that completley defends Witcher 3 and it's dev's despite the fact that they straight up lied to their fans right up to a month before release.

>>323952260
I think we've reached a critical mass of shit/memeposting.

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>>323945410

>>323952389
>I know they exist, but all that matters is they eliminate the need for amiibo content.
But they don't, they have amiibo cards for that animal crossing deal, but they haven't surfaced to cover the rest of the line.


>Last gen? Huh, didn't know MKX and The crew were last gen.

Oh come on, you obviously know what I was talking about. Bioshock 2, marvel, SxT? Do you want to pretend you didn't just do that?

>And yeah, most preorder bonus bullshit is cosmetic, but that doesn't change that nintendo is far from the only company doing this.

I never said nintendo was the only company doing disc locked content, ever. Not once.

>Splatoon ads a few different weapons in the single player, which is pointless anyways and project steam just added two playable characters, Ike and Marth, and considering its a SRPG, I wouldn't say its that big of an issue compared to a fighting game character.


The point with those is that the barrier to entry on that disc locked content is $40 for splatoon and minimum $36 if you could have found the fire emblem characters at retail.

They are examples of how outrageous the paywall for nintendos disc locked content can be.

>>323952727
Lucina is $40 alone still.

If you wanted to access the disc locked content on project steam you'd have to pay more than double the games retail price.

>>323951629
>Do you really want to contrast this to needing multiple amiibos to unlock the disc locked shit on project steam or splatoon?
Since you're so keen on splitting hairs, I'll bite.

The DLC locked by amiibos is paltry compared to the DLC seen in just about any other AAA game. The games amiibos "unlock" content in are more complete than most western games with DLC off the bat. The philosophy behind amiibos is to "unlock" small extras that compliment the base game, the philosophy behind most western DLC is to take content that was already planned at the game's inception to sell as DLC. That goes for Nintendo's stance on DLC in general, the games that have DLC were completed as intended and the DLC is legitimate extra content planned and made later. Mashpotato didn't even know he was making DLC for Smash until asked about it in an interview.

Splatoon amiibos get you replays of the campaign missions you already beat and cosmetic skins. STEAM gets Fire Emblem characters, something that was obviously not planned for the base game. Why the fuck would Fire Emblem characters be in a game about steampunk folktales and historic figures? It was an extra they decided on later. It is DLC as it was intended to be, actual extra content, not content planned for the game from the start but cut to sell later as DLC.

I don't like amiibos, I don't buy them and don't use them. But it just seems like much of the hate stems from idiots like you bitching a blue streak "on principle" when those same principles are violated over and over again in much more perverse and shady ways by games and publishers yo probably don't bat and eye at. Evryone loves to complain about how bad it is on pricnipal, but Wicther III was GOTY and how dare you question based CDPR when they lied to fans and made paid DLC that was planned before the base game was even done.

is it just a reskinned link amiibo or is it it's own actual thing? What use is this amiibo going to have on other games? I thought these things were supposed to be useful.

>>323952910
Amiibo have never been useful before. People are mad because Nintendo wants to actually make them worthwhile

>>323952910
The amiibo is in the Ops picture, and they are doing actual DLC with it.

>>323952902
> the DLC seen in just about any other AAA game.
The actual bulk of DLC for AAA games isn't on the disc at launch.

Also, the point was about comparison of disc locked content, not DLC as a whole, and the cost of entry for disc locked content being much higher from nintendo because they'll lock it behind multiple amiibos.

>>323952910
It's currently unknown if it'll act like a regular Link amiibo in other games. Since the various Yoshi and Mario amiibos generally act the same, it's reasonable to assume so.

>>323942031
>B-but the others one does it, so it's completely justified when Nintendo does it

Pathetic

>>323952902
>STEAM gets Fire Emblem characters, something that was obviously not planned for the base game.
You understand that you are essentially making an argument that all content in any game outside of main story mode is totally fair to lock behind a paywall, right?

Boss rush mode? $5. Time trials? $5. New game plus mode? $5.

>>323945410
>>323939095

And so the eternal cycle continues

>>323952727
I do recall nintendo saying amiibo cards are for people who don't want to buy an amiibo. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

No, I did but that was just the shit that came to me off the top of my head. Why aren't I allowed to use last gen as an example if current gen is still doing it?

>40 for splatoon
http://www.amazon.com/Splatoon-3-pack-amiibo-nintendo-wii-u/dp/B00VHWMK44
Not to mention this content isn't remotely necessary to play the game and doesn't add anything to it

Not to mention how irrelevant both of those are to the game. Also what is a season pass?

>>323938896

Dunno, maybe you should tell me more about this amiibo dungeon and we'll see

>>323953376
It's an allegory for The Legend of Zelda itself!

>>323952902
To be fair, Splatoon would've been fine if it was just the costumes and reskinned weapons. But the fact the mini games are also locked is kinda shitty, especially the rhythm one that essentially can act as choosing your own lobby waiting music.

Plus the replaying levels is a different experience with using different weapons. Hell some get a bit hard with the charger if you can't aim for shit, especially the final boss

>>323940979
Are you retarded? It looks like they barely upgraded anything.

>>323953419
>Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

But it does mean they don't actually exist at this time and thus do nothing to improve the situation.

>Why aren't I allowed to use last gen as an example if current gen is still doing it?
You acted like it was a strong recent trend and then started pulling in games from 6 years ago. Then pretended you didn't. The pretending you didn't part is what baffled me, really.

Alright, $28 on sale to access that one games Disc Locked content. $70 for Steam.

>Not to mention this content isn't remotely necessary to play the game and doesn't add anything to it

The same can be said for Disc locked content for a lot of other games, that was never the point. The point was that they are locking content on games behind a paywall and the amiibo paywall is worse than the traditional digitial one that everyone else used.

>Also what is a season pass?
Prepurchasing for DLC that is historically and by a huge margin produced and released after a game comes out, and not disc locked content?

You keep trying to relate nintendos disc locked content to other games entire DLC process beyond disc locked content.

Any /Mexican/ here is gonna preorder for Gameplanet?

Is the amiibo in a bundle with the game? Or is it separate for maximum jew?

>>323948460
Maybe I just want to play the game, I don't need a fucking doll, I'm not a child

>>323953140
>The actual bulk of DLC for AAA games isn't on the disc at launch.
To be fair, a good chunk of the base game doesn't ship on the disc either because AAA pubs shove that shit out on the market as quickly as they possibly can, before the game is even finished. So we get 10GB day-one updates that really just patch the game into the playable state it should have been in when it shipped in the first place. You were already given plenty of examples of western AAA games that did have on-disc DLC.

>and the cost of entry for disc locked content being much higher from nintendo because they'll lock it behind multiple amiibos.
But you're conveniently ignoring exactly what that disc locked content is, and that directly affects whether or not that cost of entry is even relevant in the first place. It's generally cosmetic items or something small and relatively inconsequential, like the spinner in Hyrule Warriors or Mario Maker's skins.

And you don't even need to own the amiibo to use it, they're not one-time use items similar to buying DLC that you and only you can access. If you know someone who has an amiibo, you can use it in your game.

DLC in western games is infinitely more offensive because, AGAIN, that content is planned before the base game is even finished or available. Sorry, $30-50 season passes that lock actual, relevant story-related content that would have otherwise been in the base game being announced when the base game is weeks or months away from releasing is absolute cancer. You're just ignoring the specifics of the situation and falling back on "it's about the principle!" to paint this in as bad a light as possible.

>>323954609
there is a bundle but its selling out. ordered from amazon yesterday and now it's unavaliable.

>>323953202
I hope so. I can't be assed to get a Link amiibo for the spinner in Hyrule Warriors but if this gives me both that and the extra dungeon then I might get it at some point in time

>>323954775
>You were already given plenty of examples of western AAA games that did have on-disc DLC.


like 6 games?

I never said other games don't have on disc dlc, just that the distribution method for their on disc dlc is less shitty than nintendos.

>DLC in western games is infinitely more offensive because, AGAIN, that content is planned before the base game is even finished or available

Oh, so nintendo didn't plan any of their on disc dlc? They didn't develop it alongside the game? You really want to argue this?

>>323954834
It's the only version of the game available, it's not a limited or special bundle. It's not sold out everywhere, stop purposefully spreading misinformation because you hate plastic toys.

>>323954342
But the situation is much better now, amiibo cards were needed at launch, but now? We might not even need them.

Its been a trend for many years. And I didn't pretend I didn't, you just said they were all last gen games and I said that some games on there weren't last gen. I honestly didn't mean it that way.

If the DLC unlocked major features or weapons for multiplayer use it would be a major issue, as it is the DLC is just some extra bullshit you can use. In steam's case its just extra characters in SPRG where its totally not necessary. Correct me if I am wrong, because I own neither game.

I think thats what our argument really does come down to, would we prefer digital content that will be there as long as the servers are up or get that digital content physically with a bonus but might be harder to get in the future.

Actually, theres been a few cases where purchasing the season pass will unlock on disc DLC, like in battlefront.

>>323951223

>>323951979
I'm still waiting for you to provide examples of games that lock part of the core game behind a $50 season pass.


Either prove it or shut the fuck up.

>>323955201
>amiibo cards were needed at launch, but now? We might not even need them.
Uh, yes, we need cheaper amiibo alternatives. Some amiibos are still like $40. It's bullshit.

>you just said they were all last gen games

No, I didn't even come close to saying that. I said
>Also, you had to cherry pick the prime examples going back through last gen.

Going back through isn't the same as saying EVERYTHING you picked was last gen.

>Actually, theres been a few cases where purchasing the season pass will unlock on disc DLC, like in battlefront.

Is all of the season pass content on the disc? No? Then you shouldn't be dishonest and try to liken the amiibo cost of entry to season pass cost when that isn't the case.

>>323955487
>Some amiibos are still like $40. It's bullshit.
Not him but what amiibos? At Walmart and Target they are $13-19 dollars.

>>323951979
>You should probably stop saying this when we are in a thread about an entire zelda dungeon being locked behind an amiibo.
Oh, you mean the amiibo that COMES WITH THE FUCKING GAME?

>Wow, I can't believe Nintendo locked that dungeon behind a fucking toy they had the gall to include with the game! How am I supposed to play that dungeon without buying the amiibo the game came with!?

>>323955743
like $13 at retail but you can't find the vast majority of them at retail anymore. You have to go to a secondary market source.

>Oh, you mean the amiibo that COMES WITH THE FUCKING GAME?


It's not included with all versions of the game in all regions.

>>323955743
He's referring to literally a tiny, tiny handful of Smash amiibos that have not been reissued yet.

And even then I see fucking Lucina on ebay for $20. These are not going for $40+ anymore, he's just shitposting because he hates plastic toys.

>>323955487
No amiibo from a retailer is 40 dollars.
Sure scalpers are assholes who need to get cancer, but thats a different story.

Is there an issue with me using last gen as an example?

Well if Nintendo didn't make their amiibo's on disk DLC they'd all be season passes. I'm just saying there is locked content with season passes.

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>>323956010
No, they still go for $40

Maybe check yourself before you start saying other people are full of shit, genius.

>>323956024
>No amiibo from a retailer is 40 dollars.
Which would be great if you could get all the amiibos at retailers, wouldn't it?

>Well if Nintendo didn't make their amiibo's on disk DLC they'd all be season passes.
I'm not sure you know what a season pass is for. It's for a continuous release of dlc, not one or two things.

If nintendo made their extra content after the fact instead of doing on disc dlc there wouldn't be an issue either, would there?

>>323956006
>go to amazon
>95% of all amiibos are under 25 dollars
>any amiibo not at the price just go to ebay and find it for cheap

The sole amiibo thats still being kiked is the Golden Mario amiibo
>>323956170
Yeah, you are full of shit
http://www.amazon.com/Lucina-amiibo-Japan-Import-Series-3075113011/dp/B00TS0UKE4
20 dollars faggot

>>323956427
>>95% of all amiibos are under 25 dollars
Oh, good, most amiibos are no more than twice MSRP...

Also, he just showed you people are paying $40 to $50 for lucina as recent as 16 minutes ago, he's not wrong.

You can still import them, though, which is nice.

Jesus why is this sold out on amazon already? Were people THAT hyped for it? Got to admit I'm kinda of surprised here.

>>323938896
yes

>>323956006
But on amazon the highest one I see is the Golden Mario.

>only source is an Amazon France listing
>the same source that listed Bloodborne for Steam

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>>323956006
>It's not included with all versions of the game in all regions.
Such as?

>>323956170
>Buy it now
>$20
>Free shipping

And looking at actual completed, SOLD listings, I see:

>$22
>$16.79
>$16.92
>$19.98
But no, your cherry-picked, active listings TOTALLY reflect prices for sold, completed listings. Nope, impossible to get Lucina for around $20.

>>323957123
>And looking at actual completed, SOLD listings, I see:
That's what was in that screencap they posted. You can see the modifier as sold listings, sort recent first, and time stamps as well as final price in green.

lrn 2 ebay, mang.

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>>323957123
>Active listings

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>avid amiibo collector
>life-long zelda fan
>preordered the bundle day 1 of it going up
>everyone's all pissed off
>mfw

>TP HD will include a Hero Mode, making enemies hit Link twice as hard. And using the gamepad as a real time inventory...without pausing the game

That alone sells it for me.

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>>323957527
>>323957360
Oh, look, sold listings for under $20.

>>323938896
This news made me think about canceling my preorder even though it's for my gf

>>323957626
Show your sorting settings.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but they obviously proved that people are regularly paying a lot more than that also, for some reason.

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>>323957626
Oh, look, some more.

>>323957527
>>323957626
Pretty much the only way to get her at an affordable but still above retail price is to import her.

If you have a lucina and are a shipper in the US people will pay a lot more to not deal with international shipping.

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>>323957904
And even more!

You don't have to pay $40 for her.

>>323957904
I just did a sold listings search and, just saying, the last 10 lucinas that sold, one was $16 and the reast were between 30-50.

>>323956648

Remember, TP is the second-best selling 3D Zelda.

>>323958082
Point being, she's not $40+, you can get her for less very easily. No one specified the domestic version, and you're not dealing with any international shipping hassles when it's free and you're not the one doing the shipping. You're just waiting a little longer.

Fuck Amiibos. Disc locked content cancer.

Used to be that sort of shit was a bonus and not something you paid $13 to $50 fucking dollars to access.

>>323958045
>>323957904
>>323957626
>>323957527
>>323957123
>>323956170
>>323956010
Different anon. Just fyi there are idiots out there that will pay a premium for Ammibos that are the 1st run of the wave.

If you just want the Ammibo the only ones that cost anything over $20 are the Silver and Gold Mario pretty much.

>>323958575
Yup, a single cosmetic costume is SO MUCH WORSE than a $30-50 season pass that locks ~30% of the game's story content. Yup, Nintendo is Satan incarnate for making plastic toys.

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>physical lockout DLC

come on guys, not even EA or Ubisoft are this bad. Why are Nintendo so shit now?

>>323938896
It's okay when Nintendo does it

>>323938896
This reminds me of the Color Dungeon in The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX. It was a remake-exclusive dungeon, and the remake was even on the successor to the system the original was on.