Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak
Who /hype/ here?
Expectations? Wishes? Disgust? Disappointment?
The ships hyperspacing in the trailer intrigue me. I hope they are ancient Hiigarian ships from a recording or something. This game has a huge potential lore wise and we haven't seen an RTS with a good story in almost a fucking decade.
Also I hope the gameplay is holds up, I'm interested in playing it online and I'd hate if it was shallow or broken. I'm very confident that the Single Player will be amazing though.
All that lore meant fuckall because you never actually saw any of the actual races any of this shit was important to. You never see a single living being beyond Karan. The whole thing could be about sentient spaceships or robots. You have little reason to care about any of this shit without actual characters to get attached to.
Seeing Karen doesn't imply that the rest of the race aren't living being? The Bentusi are being attached to their ships and they didn't need a face to be a character, hell their mission in Cataclysm is one of the best RTS missions ever made to date just because of how strong the voice acting is.
you know, aside from the fact that HWs enemies could come from any direction they did less meaningful things with 3 dimensions than many other RTSs since then.
It could easily have been a locked plain like ST:armada and not much of the game´s complexity would have been lost, save of course its eternal charme.
So, your complaining seems kind of rose tinted.
not him but did you get upset when the New Republic planet got blown up in the new Star Wars? Kharak burning has that same effect. You don't care. You have no emotional investment. None of the characters even react, Karan is a robot and the other faggot just stays monotone. There is no emotional investment at all.
The characters are being professional but they aren't soulless. You can see this in small moments like "the subject did not survive interrogation" or how they don't decide to hide or evade but instead order you to hunt down and kill the fleet that destroyed your Homeworld. I'd argue that this was done better in the original HW1 voice acting though.
You can see much less professional characters in Cataclysm since those aren't in charge of their entire population and weren't selected from a list of millions.
>there is no emotional investment
But that's fucking wrong retard.
>the characters reacting
Just admit that you are a cynical prick who can't cry anymore because he spent too much time being angry on the internet.
>the characters reacting
But nobody reacted, as I just said. Karan's voice wavers for a bit but that's it and the other faggot just keeps talking like he always does.
There are no other characters who's perspective we're given. Everyone in Homeworld could've been fucking robots and it would've made literally no difference.
I don't see what you are trying to prove here. How does any of this implies the game has no lore at all? Just because the few characters don't react strongly to what happens means that players shouldn't?
You know why they made it like that? So you are not told what to feel, the experience tells you directly what to feel. It is very similar to games that have silent protagonists. Of course, the subtlety will go over your head if you are used to modern games that mirrors movies.
Still wrong retard. Just because they say one or two lines of dialog rather than go on a long soliloquy or monolog, doesn't mean they don't react. So what did you want 4 to 5 minutes of a speech, or a short minute of really strong emotional dialog paired with the great soundtrack.
I still don't understand why you'd make a Homeworld game that's not set in space with spaceships.
You'd understand why if you learned about the story of this game and how it became Homeworld. At the end of the day it is a pretty neat opportunity to tell the backstory that the first game had.
That's nice but I don't want to read the backstory, I want to play it.
Besides, it's a nice little safe and under-budget project to raise more awareness of the franchise. I'm sure if it does well we'll see HW3.
This guy, this guy gets it
The lackluster barely coherent plot of two previous entries was so forgettable and uninspired that even the music player a bigger part in creating a vision of a different world
I have no clue if there are any books, comics or what ever to turn this clusterfuck into anything decent, but i wont blink an eye if they retcon fucking everything, since, i have no clue what would be changed in teh first place.
And mid you, i played the remaster like a year ago or when it came out, and i already dont give a shit.
Explains the game more.
> played the remaster
Thats nice and all but the original game had a pretty cool book with fleshed out backstory(you can find it as pdf somewhere), not to mention cataclysm, besides being a side story has a pretty good take on using elements off the universe to a higher degree.
>Thats nice and all but the original game had a pretty cool book with fleshed out backstory
Nothing i hate fucking more than having such a incompetent fucking lazy shitty devs that they have to explain they plot through external means rather than through the game itself. Like that fucking crysis 2 comic to explain what the fuck did happen between first and second game. Or online storytelling of Destiny, a fps mmo with less ex positional elements that first entries into the genre.
I mean can you imagine, you go to a cinema, they tell you to come half an hour earlier and borrow you this crappy book written by some washed up writer thats supposed to help you understand the movie you are about to watch?
I cant. But hey, its video games, and those are for children, so who gives a shit, right?
But regardless, the remaster was a shitty lazy upscale that was so broken i had o restart half the mission at lest 3 times.
Gearbox sure as hell didnt do fuck to build on or fix the narrative elements of the game, and seeing how the franchise is handed i doubt this gamer will be much more of an improvement in that regard.
Not that it was a great story to begin with.
They didn't, you can ask BBI that directly in their discord channel. The team that did the Remaster and the team behind DoK are different and only helped each other with things like QA.
Page 3 and 4 of "historical and technical briefing", where there is absolutelly not mention of this "War for our survival" at all during the discovering of the Khar Toba but they talk about wars 400 years before the discovery.
Now, can you point me where this info about this war was pre-retcon?
Omission of information of an incomplete manual that is just there to give you an idea of what happened in the past is not a retcon.
A retcon is a contradiction, when something in the sequels/prequels directly go against something previously established by another work. See the case of the Hyperspace Cores in HW2 and how that directly contradicted information in the original manual that the Khar Toba drive was reverse engineered. There is nothing to contradict now because the detailed story of the discovery of the Khar Toba isn't fucking told in the manual.
>A situation, in a soap opera or similar serial fiction, in which a new storyline explains or changes a previous event or attaches a new significance to it.
Is a retcon.
>WAAAH THIS GAME TAKES PLACE DURING A WAR THAT WASN'T MENTIONED IN ANOTHER GAME SO IT CLEARLY NEVER EXISTED
>WAAAH THIS GAME HAS THE GEARBOX NAME ON IT BUT GEARBOX HAS NO DEVS ON THE TEAM NOR DO THEY EVEN OWN BLACKBIRD AND IT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY COOL OF THEM TO LET BBI USE THE IP NO STRINGS ATTACHED
>WAAAH THIS GAME ISN'T IN SPACE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A LAND BASED GAME LONG BEFORE IT WAS A HOMEWORLD ONE
>THIS GAME IS SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
Every single DoK thread the last couple of months. I miss the comfy homeworld threads we used to have. The shitflingers stayed out and it was good
Dune mod when?
>Cars can do j turns, drifts, spinouts and 180s
Mad Max mod when?
It doesn't. You are literally the only person I've talked about this so far that feels this way, and I've been browsing like 3 different Homeworld forums plus the official chat in discord since the trailer hit about a week ago.
If you want to feel this way and hold off on playing the game so be it, but fuck off from shitting every single thread we have about the game with your fucking bile, they are rare enough as is.
Yeah, relic released some early concept art of them way back when.
Or the game can't convey it's emotions because it has no means to.
If you expect to have to imagine everything in order to feel, good luck.
The game is poorly designed in order to tell what is really going on and what is important.
Storytelling was never a big point in Homeworld.
I don't expect it to improve in Kharak, but maybe the gameplay will save it.
>Just say is a retcon
>Don't say i hate it or anything
>WELL GUESS WHAT I WILL HAVE FUN WHILE YOU ARE RAGING OVER IT, STOP SHITTING MY THREADS! REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Ok anon, if you are this mad then ok, is not a retcon despiste what the meaning of retcon is.
Looks pretty nice.
Amazing art and aesthetics
When there is nothing to be felt, that's about it.
It's like saying Half life 1 makes you anyhow attracted to your character.
HL2 has a better job at doing it by making alyx talks to you more and have more escort sequences.
Too bad HW is a strategy game and therefore is not made to be storytelling if not heavily focused on it.
I imagine them moving like frogs or geckoos when traversing through ships. Maybe like Thin Men from Xcom.
Nigga, did you even play HW1 or Cataclysm?
This is the most pathetic argument I've ever seen in defense of sterile soulless writing
>Y-you're just a b-bad person
No you faggot Redditor, the game gave me no reason to give a shit Kharak burned, the game literally has no characters besides Karan, there's no sense of loss and no reason to care.
Yeah it was nice but Adajo is stock 'this is meaningful' music, you could put a flower germinating and blooming to it and it'll seem very profound.
Gameplay is where Homeworld shined, the story has always been trash beneath even the pulpiest sci-fi for the sheer fact even pulp sci-fi at least attempted to give you character to care about and not monotone talking space ships.
WHERE IS THE GODDAMNED GAMEPLAY? Also
>45 Eurobux for an unknown RTS by noname devs
Dead on arrival.
Actually I did.
>Not giving argument, yea whatever son.
I could say the same to you.
Not everything has to be a Shakespearean epic covered in purple prose with characters going into long-winded monologues about their plight.
You can still tell a lot just by saying very little. Listen to how the characters say their lines.
"The subject did not survive interrogation."
"...Not even beacons..."
You should probably stay out of /lit/ anon, or at least talk to a shrink about your Aspergers.
They had to use a laptop, they outright say that in the dev video. It wasn't even on the highest setting. Then again if the game shits on performance I'll just refund it, it's something you can notice very easily.
>"The subject did not survive interrogation."
He says it with the exact same tone and inflection he says every other line, deadpan and devoid of any emotion. You're just proving yourself wrong.
Didn't this game start development as not a Homeworld title?
Did you think that maybe you are an outlier to the spectum of emotions and that 90% of everyone that played the game praises the emotions felt in the story. Because that's exactly what you are.
>Land based RTS
Why bother, it will never be as good as Total War os SupCom. They should have made it in space like the other two. Missed opportunity, looks pretty meh, honestly. Small unit number and bland levels since its all muh deserts, which is why space would have been a better choice. The skyboxes in Homeworld 2 are still god tier.
Yeah, it origninally was Hardware: Shipbreakers which was basically NOT Homeworld that took place on NOT kharak. Gearbox saw what they were doing and offered/gave them the okay to make a Homeworld game.
>That's still gay as fuck.
U wot m8?
I'm extremely hype right now. Huge HW1 and HW2 fan. I'm behind the curve here; I just found out about this now.
It would have been nice to have an original IP. However...
>Those Gaalsien vehicles
>That Gaalsien design
>Those infantry designs
>Weather and line of sight
I'd like to give it a fair shake.
No, no and no. The game industry nor the players aren't ready for Frank Herbert's genius. They will take it, milk it and rape it to the ground.
We have enough Dune games and mustn't ask for more.
They committed a mild Retcon be declaring with Deserts of Kharak, that the planet Kharak was dieing due to desertification, and in it's worst hours, a war of I'm assuming extinction was ensuing over the limited remaining viable land mass.
While the leading centralized faction of the planet was in the process of re-discovering the prison ship and subsequently long-jump Warpdrive they would eventually install in the Pride of Hiigara.
Oh, I don't mind the transition from Hardware: Shipbreakers to Homeworld: Shipbreakers. I find the Homeworld IP preferable, in fact. I just don't like they would later change the name again to what we have now. Shipbreakers just sounds cooler.
As someone who ranks HW2 as their favorite game of all time, why the fuck did they make the higaarans human in this one?
I mean, they were effectively human in the last one based on what you saw of karan s'jet, but why did they have to explicitly call them humans in this one?
It makes me much less interested in the lore now.
For some reason those moron devs were playing the game on a laptop.
I agree, all the gameplay looks like low fidelity shit so far.
Why the fuck would the devs put out low FPS low-res trash when we have absolutely no other gameplay to watch?
All I see in youtube comments is people complaining about how bad the game looks and how low FPS it is. Why would the devs shoot themselves in the foot like that?
When I google 'deserts of kharak humans' this is one of the first results so I hope you can forgive me for
linking to leddit
>One of the writers confirmed they were humans a long time ago. I'll see if I can find source.
>Don't forget the HW2 poster with the 3 figures across the top. They are pretty clearly human. (The one with the "upside down" destroyer)
I think at the end of the IGN video that IGN guy said 'I know you guys are on a laptop so that's why this is running badly.'
Still though, releasing any gameplay that looks like shit is a guaranteed turnoff.
>fucking arabic music 48 seconds in
>choppy as hell
I really, really want to like this, but this shit sounds like a dumb idea.
"Hey guys let's make a space game ground only and only have a desert setting, shit will be cash I swear".
The Hiigarans were always human ya stupid bastard.
They show Karen being Entombed in the Motherships AI Core at the beginning of the game, held aloft with some Anti-G support ring and cables galore.
They show the Vagyr War-Emperor or whatever, being entombed in his by being floated in an amniotic tube in the 2nd one.
>Arabic music is a problem
>In a Homeworld game
That's why I said 'they basically were human anyways' but it was never explicitly stated.
Now it just seems like a boring as fuck retcon to grab all the plebs who get turned off when the game isn't explicitly about humans.
Nothing can take us far enough emotion
Far enough together
As the light shines so bright
Bright enough to let us in
Nothing can bridge our souls' devotion
Fast enough together
As the power proves you right
Right enough to let you begin
Y'all should just re-read the HW1 manual before getting upset about imaginary retcons. I haven't found anything about DoK thus far that outright contradicts anything in the lore.
Yeah but 99% of people are retards who do retarded things.
These are game developers who are supposed to know how to make / market / show off a game and not do retarded things
related to videogames. Of course we know that isn't true however, since by my definition 99% of game devs are retards too
I reiterate my point.
>Arabic music is a problem
>In a game that's always had Arabic music
Is it uninspired simply because it's on a desert? This has always been the case with Homeworld, it was always influenced by Eastern culture, why is it so wrong now?
Its literally mentioned in the HW1 manual. The desertification of Kharak that is.
I've always seen it sort of the same way its done in Traveller. There are humans in Traveller, but they are separtated into different races (mainly from developing in separate parts of the galaxy) You have the Vilani (Humans that lived on a poisoned world), the Solomni (earth Humans), and Zhodani (psychic Humans).
For instance, we see Makaan in HW2 and he looks pretty human as well as Karen who also looks pretty human as well. I think the only race we havent seen are the Taidaan.
These cutscenes look weird, I cant tell if its just tweening concept drawings like they did with HW 1 and 2 or if they're 3-D animations with some oil filter.
Yeah, I know. I probably should've specified.
I couldn't remember if it was dieing due to desertification, or them building the ship and leaving was due to the planet reaching it's capacity with the size of the civilization they had rebuilt on it.
The Taidaan emperor is clearly a humanoid in a bubble
Because the whole way this launch is going makes it feel like it's an utter rushjob / cashgrab.
>absolutely no contact from devs until less than 10 days before the game comes out
>trailers are shit
>gameplay is shit
>FPS is shit
>graphics are shit
My hype for this game could not have died any faster.
The game was in development hell for years.
First it was an unrelated f2p browser game, then it was a full fledged release, then it was a full-fledge release with the home-world IP tacked on.
This game will have more mutant appendages than an irradiated spider.
Okay bub. HW has always had a Asian/Middle Eastern vibe with it. Some of the names they use are litterally ripped from the bible and other historical sources (Kushan for example)
Looks to be tweened overpaints of real life footage, composited with painted backgrounds.
the homeworld manual has been on a table by my bed since i got the game a hundred fucking years ago, through four moves and three states
I will not buy Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak for my own reasons.
ill give you a hint: gearbox
Well, you just keep on being a bitch nigga.
The rest of us will buy it.
"For our own reasons"
The fact that this is a completely unrelated game that once picked up by an incompetent company was given the name of a beloved franchise they had yet to rape does not make it any better.