First time playing this on English and holy shit what's wrong with Leliana's voice actor.
She sounds like an inbred idiot with that lisp, what were they thinking?
I can't bother going through her dialogue anymore.
I understand why so many people hated her now,
She doesn't have a lisp, that's just what Baguettes sound like. She's an alright character though, her accent didn't really bother me at all.
The problem is that she forced the accent so much it sounded like someone badly pretending to speak with french accent. It was a bit like a slavic person intentionally rolling every 'r' for two seconds and omitting articles.
I liked leliana desu, after you "harden" her personality, she and alistair are the only two who can actually change during your campaign
its so strange looking back at how edgy DA was and what it became now, I mean come on you could do somethings so irrationally violent that even the freaking violent werewolf NPCs would act really surprised, and what about the trailers with marylin manson music
>tfw DA2/Inquisition completely ignore your previous choices and bring back Leliana because fuck you.
I mean there's plenty of other shit wrong with those games but still, they couldn't even do the ME2/3 route of having some unknown but virtually identical NPC replace her?
I'm playing inquisition now since I got it as a gift. Anons weren't exaggerating with the 'single player mmo' criticism, and playing past the normal difficulty is actually tedious and boring since you're recycling the same rotation until thing is dead.
Sera is as bad/ugly as she is in all the screenshots and not in a 'oh, it's just that she's realistic' way. Like... Someone fucked up whole modeling her and she came out unintentionally ugly as fuck with badly textured eyes. The same thing happened with Iron Bull. His body looks like he's standing in front of one of those funhouse mirrors.
There are a handful of good characters (Cullen, Solas - surprisingly) and some of the locations are fun to explore, but it's a very underwhelming game. Play it only if you need a timesink.
Also you miss out of nothing if you skip DA2. Just make sure you use the DA keep website before starting a new game so you can input some of your basic choices.
>you never see your warden again in the sequels
yep, used to say its gameplay was as bad as Witcher 3. Now I think it's even worse. Witcher 3 is at least kinda fun on Death March, DAI is just a big boring slog that takes forever on any difficulty above normal.
I was pumped as fuck to play the sequels because I thought my badass Warden would eventually make a cameo appearance.
Anyway, I absolutely loved Orogins. It was astonishingly detailed with great dialogue and party banter. I think of it often.
What race dos you guys choose? I was a Dalish Elf. The origin story sucked, but I enjoyed the mythology behind the race and it molded my character's choices quite a bit.
>Are the Dragon Age sequels that bad? I enjoyed the first game.
I'm not exaggerating when I say Dragon Age 2 is the worst game I've ever played. It has literally no redeeming features and is the epitome of everything wrong with letting EA get in charge of a video game's development.
Yes, your warden is too powerful and would kinda ruin any new enemy they came up with in later games so they're off finding a way to solve the issue of The Calling for grey wardens by themselves. The only reason your character in Inquisition is the leader of the Inquisition is because the warden and Hawke couldn't be found so they needed someone else.
>What race dos you guys choose? I was a Dalish Elf. The origin story sucked, but I enjoyed the mythology behind the race and it molded my character's choices quite a bit.
Human Noble is probably the best because of how well it syncs with the main storyline and gives you a lot of options for dealing with the Loghain situation. A close second is Dwarf Noble.
Dragon Age 2 is fucking terrible, don't kid yourself and don't try to justify it with "You only hate it because it's popular" rhetoric. I cannot speak for Inquisition, but DA2 is an atrocity.
DA2 has a hefty amount of issues that have nothing to do with popularity.
They need to drop Cassandra already. It's obvious that over the course of 2 games, nobody at Bioware knows what to do with the character
>She's a WARRIOR
>Wait but she's also a romantic
>Nevermind, she has no time for romance
>No wait, she actually loves romance but is awkward
>Wait she's not awkward, she has high standards
>Also even though she's a click above Templars she hates the church
>Nevermind what that guy said, she actually wants to change the church
Her character whips around so much they may as well just retcon her, split her into two entities, and be done with it. No, she's not dynamic or deep, she's poorly written and it shows.
They drew a neat lady with a sword and shield but never got around to crafting a personality.
>that many replies
>no a single reply actually explaining why DA2/DA:I is so much worse than DAO
As expected of /v/.
And they will still gonna say it has nothing to do with popularity or /v/ hate wagon.
DA2 has awful gameplay, but it's literally the only game in the series with even even a spark of originality. It manages to be better written and have better characters than either of the other two games despite having a final act that feels like it was written, developed and finished in under a week.
She is lost and gullible but yet wield powerful magic. All she wanted was to help her people but she failed doing so allone. This is an interesting take on a female character and should be done more often in vidya.
Plus she is
Ugh. I've played the game on every difficulty. There's really never a sweet spot where the gameplay actually feels good. On casual, you basically just do the rotation until the thing dies while it does no damage. On normal and above, you watch your units and if you have half a brain, it's just the rotation until something dies. When you figure out the smart things to do for each class (sword n board with high guard gen for warriors, knight-enchanter for mages, ??? for rogues), it becomes even more easy. I feel like the characters aren't that interesting. Iron Bull's a big perfect action hero who is also a secret agent. Sera's the sort of lolsorandumb but with a point XD that you'd see as someone's first character in a tabletop game.
It feels like so much potential story content was sacrificed to make way for some of the areas. Emprise du Lion and Crestwood were probably the only good post-Skyhold areas. The Exalted Plains, Emerald Graves, and Hissing Wastes all could have been scrapped so we could actually have content between the Arbor Wilds and Corypheus randomly showing up on your doorstep boasting about how he was about to kick your ass despite his army and organization being dismantled.
Yeah. The reason why this happened is because the writers felt that there was no way to portray the warden that would satisfy everyone. Original main characters in RPGs have a tendency to be the measuring stick for all future characters. There's also the issue of his/her personality being more abstract. The people who REALLY want to see their warden more, the people with 1000 headcanons and every detail of their warden's gait, mannerisms, speech patterns, and the like thought out, would be disappointed.
Femhawke is qt
They actually went for something different than an ancient evil is awakens and you're not a fucking chosen one or divine child of my ass.
Dumbed down gameplay
They butchered anders
Literally 3 dungeons
Where the fuck is my nigga Sten? (same shit in inquisition)
>anders' whole character and coming on to you with no other way to tell him to stop without gaining rivalry
>quests will all take you to the exact same cave/house/whatever with a section blocked off
>mages feel extremely weak
>all of act 3
>awful looking npc crowds
>mages crying about how templars think they're all blood mages
>THEY'RE ALL ACTUALLY BLOOD MAGES
>combat in general is just mediocre
>all of act 3 again
>awkward animations in cutscenes
It has some stuff I enjoy but being a rushed product really shows.
>Where the fuck is my nigga Sten? (same shit in inquisition)
>he doesn't know Sten staying in the cage and dying is canon
>a fucking chosen one or divine child of my ass
You aren't the "chosen one" in Originis either. But the "ancient evil awakens" part is true tho.
Also if the story was indeed different, it didn't change the fact it was really underwhelming.
I feel like Emprise shouldn't have even been a zone. For a somewhat open world game, that entire area was extremely linear. You load in, set up camp, then charge onward through the cave and toward the other end of the map and then it's over, with a bonus boss in the form of a few dragons at the end of a bridge.
Fanboys/shills will always assert that the game is good after the hinterlands, but really it was the hinterlands and Emerald graves where I actually enjoyed myself.
I approached the game as a spiritual successor to KoA so I wasn't as disappointed as most, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth. Also it would have been nice if all the areas were connected, like in KoA.
>Can only play a human
>Anders and Justice had their character both destroyed for no reason
>Kirkwall is really shitty and samey looking, so is Sundermount
>Terrible writing in general, tries to play the shades of grey angle but makes Mages all look like psychopaths
>WAVE WAVE WAVE can't go anywhere in the city at night without being besieged by 50 goddamn people
Those are just a few things because I couldn't be fucked to finish that game, I couldn't even get through Act 1 it was so damn unfun.
If this thread is inspiring anyone to play DA:O again or for the first time, remember to get the mod that lets you break locks with a stat checks instead of relying on lockpicking. It opens up a lot more party variety and it's not very cheat-like because you still need to pass the stat check and can destroy the items if you fail it.
Yeah, but it's not "raise an army to stop it" kind of ancient evil like the other two games, and destroying it isn't the focus of the plot. (It only becomes a huge threat in act 3, and the lurking idol is far from the only problem in act 3)
Literally the only character who comes into you and bitches when he's turned down in the whole series is Zevran. Anders didn't do shit unless you flirted first.
I haven't played a single game since origins, and i have no desire to either. The series looks like a god awful soap opera with hamfisted "gay is okay" commentary, it's not a good RPG, it's not a good story, it's not a good game.
I enjoyed the idea of the gameplay in DA:O, but I felt like I was being overhwlemed most of the time and my other party members wouldn't stop fucking dying. Maybe it's because I didn't have Wynne until near the end and played as a Two Handed Warrior. Also I didn't really find the story that interesting and the pay off to my character's origin story was pretty underwhelming. Are there any other games that have similar gameplay to DA:O but less bland? Been playing KOTOR2, but that's way too easy
In a way they're more of a divine chosen one than the Warden, Flemeth is always going to pick Hawke there's no other choice. The Warden becomes a Grey Warden by chance, it could be any of the other options. The Noble Human, Dwarf Commoner, Dalish Hunter, Mage, etc. They all actually exist at the same time at the start of the game with only coincidence that Duncan is there to save/recruit them.
Dragon Age: Origins is good, worth playing. The combat is fucking boring though.
Dragon Age 2 would have been a 5/10, but the level design was so fucking awful it ruins the entire game. It's horrific.
Dragon Age: Inquisition just drags on way too fucking long, it's basically a waste of time. They didn't know how to make an open world game without it being boring and empty.
Flemeth really only uses Hawke to transport that amulet though. Whereas she specifically tasks the warden with stopping the blight (so she can get that old god babby soul, but still).
There was once a time I preordered games.
There was once a time I got hyped for games
There was once a time I would wait for a new bioware release
Dragon Age 2 singlehandedly killed all of that.
Given what was to follow, I guess I should be grateful
Speaking of going full retard regardless of who you side with.
Sup guys worst character in the franchise coming through
>In particular, Dragon Age: Inquisition had by far the most successful launch in BioWare’s history, exceeding our expectations. In addition, game sales for last-generation consoles were also much stronger than we had anticipated,” said Blake Jorgensen, EA’s CFO during the call.
>Outperformance versus our outlook was driven by the record-breaking Dragon Age: Inquisition performance.”
Anders in Awakening was top tier, m8.
Anders 2 onwards may as well be a different person. Hell, it would make more sense if some look alike murdered him and assumed his identity.
Velanna was originally supposed to take Anders place in II but none of the writers wanted to write her.
Thee Hamburger Hepler wanted to write a tortured soul mage with a homosex romance so they butchered Anders.
>First DA game to show titty
>None of the OG waifus strip
True, but I don't get why blood magic is bad in and of itself.
>d-demon possession is bad
but blood magic doesnt rely on the fade like normal magic.
also tevinter mages almost all use blood magic, and they dont seem to have a rampant possession problem. if anything, they make demons their bitches rather than the other way around.
The tricky elf cunt did a good job of sounding poor and helpless after Redcliffs second fuckening. It probably fooled some people in to feeling bad for them even though they nearly destroyed reality.
His edgyness was based on terrible experiences in his live though, he was a drugged up sex/fighting slave for mages.
Him just being full of anger and hate is fairly understandable. Not the most complex of characters, but perfectly reasonable motivation.
DA2 is definitely Top 3 of worst pieces of shit I've played.
I agree for the most part. Singleplayer MMO, sure, yet I didn't mind/even liked most of the characters. The only truly dislikeable characters for me where the throwaways that don't matter, and Vivienne. She was just dull and brought nothing. The locations were alright; some were quite nice. Too many desert and mountainous locations for my taste, because Bioware only has 3 environmental palettes and apparently limited assets.
The combat was underwhelming. There was no challenge to be had nor tactics required for anything, and considering all sidequests are utterly meaningless there's little reason to explore beyond mere curiosity. Main quests were enjoyable enough but the plot itself was uninteresting. The implications were intriguing but didn't pay off; just threw out a sequel hook.
It's an impressive amount of content with no depth or complexity; just a large shallow lake you can wade through if you feel like.
That's the thing though. They did destroy reality and you were only able to fix things through a series of extremely fortunate events which includes yourself and Dorian not dying in the future.
Plus time magic doesn't erase the fact that they sold themselves out to Tevinter aka the bad guy nation the first chance they could.
Loghain was a good character. Loghain was also right. The issue is that Loghain being right was trumped by the fact that the Darkspawn are a far greater threat than Orlais could ever hope to be.
During the epilogue, if she died in DA:O it's written off (in typical Bioware theme/fashion) that it was "Lyrium [that] sung thought into being", a literally unknown, unprecedented existence because fuck you Gaider says so and your choices don't matter.
Dragon Age has the weirdest fucking attempt to make a grey morality.
Oh no, they think all Mages will turn to demons or use blood magic! Lets prove them wrong by using blood magic to turn into demons!
All they had to do was follow what they had with Origins.
Was it really that fucking difficult?
New writing team from one game to another, wasn't it? The guys who knew what they were doing were replaced by people that really want to make a wish fulfillment world with a bit of grimdark thrown in to try and hide that.
All things considered, Thedas is fairly pleasant.
>its implied that solas is responsible for making the veil and screwing over all the elves
>somehow removing the veil makes it so that suddenly there are DEMONS EVERYWHERE
How was there any sort of life at all on thedas when there was no veil?
Jaws of Hakkon was boring and shithouse. Descent was actually pretty sweet, personally, and has some neat implications but ends far too quickly and in an X-Files fashion. Trespasser was great.
Nah dude it's straight up said. For >>323930114
Solas was an ancient elf and Elven 'gods' were just powerful beings. Two camps emerged and Solas split 'em up by locking off some in the Fade and creating the Veil so they couldn't escape to the material world. Creating the Veil cut off their connection to the Fade and thus ended their immortality.
The reason why elves became a minority was because elf pussy was too sweet and human dick was too good, right? Or did I read that wrong when they said the elves were panicking because elves banged by humans only made humans?
One thing that really pissed me off in Inquisition was that saving the inhabitants of Haven was entirely meaningless:
If they die they get replaced by NPCs with 1-2 lines of dialogue.
If they live... they get replaced by NPCs with 2-3 lines of dialogue.
I liked DA2 more than Inquisition. Isabela a qt. I want a warrior expy of her and her exploring sluttiness.
Oh I completely agree, but I was enjoying the story up until then. Whatever little of it there was. Combat was mostly shit, facing waves and waves of faceless enemies in the same 7 locations, but I do like the Dragon Age setting.
The entirety of Act 3 was utter garbage, however. That was when it wholly lost me.
The elven empire went civil war and kicked their own ass. Then Tevinter came in, planted a flag and said it won.
Then andraste kicked Tevinter out and made Orlais and the Dales. Then Orlais got made the elves didn't convert to human worship and went and conquered the Dales. Then they struck the idea that Andraste gave the Dales to the elves from all the books to hide that fact.
Kind of like how the Catholics struck the idea that Jesus was a middle eastern Jew from the records when justifying the crusades.
I fucking hate Leliana, her voice her character everything. People just liked her because lesbian
They force her so hard in Inquisition and give a complete bullshit explanation as to why she's alive if you killed her
lyrium ghost lol
I'm getting tired of the Bioware "singing" theme. Rachni, thought control with the Reapers/Leviathan, Darkspawn and the Old Gods, Lyrium, and now even the Dorfs and the Titans... it's just lazy and a hand-wave plot device.
Lyrium having a will of its own? Leliana somehow some heretofore unknown lifeform made out of it? Fuck off.
Dragomn Age Awakenings is technically an expansion, but it comes on a separate disc and is great.
Dragon Age 2 is bad, but the Mark of the Assassin DLC is worse. The Legacy DLC is actually surprisingly good.
Inquisition is an alright game if you can stomach a few shoehorned in scenes about how progressive a dumb tranny thinks the Qunari are - and if you skip all the MMO-styled quest shit.
The catholic thing is similar to the whole "White Jesus" thing. It's pretty hard to motivate a people to invade people who look like your savior. So now all the portraits depict Jesus as a pale skinned brown haired blue eyed white guy. Did you never wonder why that was?
AS for the elf history, most of the history from http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Elf is right, but Solas himself basically says that the elves did it to themselves before Tevinter walked in.
Well the save system doesn't actually import any appearance data for anyone. Hawke only got a pass because they had an iconic default appearance you could use. That and the Warden is basically a legend by that point. Since Corypheus actually manipulates the minds of Wardens, though, it's understandable why they don't show up. There's also the whole, "The Warden goes missing," thing.
You do receive a letter or two from the Hero of Ferelden, though. It's all they could really do since DA:O didn't have a way to really give your character a personality that could be defined for carryover. Also, as someone pointed out the HoF is considered the most powerful humanity-allied character. Dagna, Alistair and Leliana all cream themselves about the HoF. It's also kind of sad to hear drunk Cullen talking about how he's still pining for female mage HoF.
It's ridiculous that you can make her harden her to go back to being a dick ass spy and leave behind the religious nonsense but she still ends up being pious again, what's the point in adding depth to a character if you are just going to railroad her
It raped every bit of Qunari lore we knew as according to Sten. Tallis was a Mary Sue who you are forced into helping even if you tell her to fuck off once you learn she is a spy. Then at the end if you try to get her to surrender the list of Qunari spies she basically mocks you. So you don't even get a chance to fight or kill her, you either kiss her or make her mad and let her leave with a list of Qunari spies.
Also the "bad guy" of the DLC is an Orlesian Duke who invited you to hunt Wyverns with him, and had an actually alright reaction to you murdering his guards and trying to steal from his vault by tossing you in a dungeon. To top it off you go in thinking you'll eventually get used to how ugly a character Tallis is, but you never do.
>Humans claim the war with the elves began when a small elven raiding party attacked the nearby human town of Red Crossing in 2:9 Glory, leading to the Chantry eventually calling an Exalted March against the elves when they had captured Montsimmard and besieged Val Royeaux, claiming they had been attacked by the Dales. The Dalish claim templars invaded the Dales after the elves kicked out Chantry missionaries from their sovereign territory.
Sounds like the elv*s had it coming, tbqh.
Jesus of Nazerath, earned the title of Christ. Born in the Middle east. Was explicitly a Jew. Described in the bible as having skin the color of brown and curly black hair.
I'm fairly certain Jesus was always depicted as white to make him more relatable. Like, "I'm white so he must be too because my skin color is the best"
As far as the crusades, I don't think anybody needed to struggle much to justify them. At the time it was retribution.
I don't see any relation to the Crusades in your post, m8.
And anyway, how would erasing information, that said the land they wanted to conquer was the birthplace of the creator of their religion, help justifying the Crusades?
Dwarves were and always have been cunts to each other, but otherwise they were alright. Remember in Origins, that Thaig that took in elf refugees, just to get murdered for it? It's just sad that they're getting so wrecked by the Darkspawn.
Cullen would be alright if he was an original character, but they kept him in because fangirls fawned over the crazy paranoid templar in DA:O that in every ending had him going nuclear - but suddenly is the most reasonable and rational Templar
Most of Inquisition's characters were great, barring Sera. Solas was a riot if you had low approval. Dorian would have been better if his personal quest wasn't about how daddy didn't accept him for fucking men.
It makes it less awkward. It's harder to kill people that look like your savior, but easier to kill people you've turned into demons. It's basica wartime propaganda.
WW2? Exalt the chinese and demonize the Japanese. The French are our friends and the germans are smelly sausage suckers. The communists are fine, it's the ITALIANS that are disgusting.
It's hard to demonize the arabs when you pray to the image of one.
The question is why recycle the character at all?
Were the people behind the design just really in love with the name Isabella, and had to work with the fact that they'd already named a character that in the last game?
I would have been totally fine with Isabella in 2 being a completely different character from Isabella in 1, but Bioware can't come up with new characters anymore. All they're capable of doing is taking the same characters from previous games, whether you had killed them or not, and changing everything about them until they're a completely different character anyways.
It makes no fucking sense why they do this.
Well to be fair you only see Cullen immediately after witnessing the Templars and Mages he had befriended being turned into Abominations. In DA2 he experienced the very opposite situation to Ferelden's Circle; Mages who were largely uncorrupted, but trapped under the thumb of an increasingly corrupted Templar force. Though really, DA2's mage situation can be pinned on the red lyrium, Corypheus being asleep under the city and the fact that Orsino was a crooked retard encouraging the asshole who murdered your mother.
It's standard fare for Cullen to be in every game by this point, though.
Sera is an ugly little goblin who makes a horrible first, second, and third impression but if you actually force yourself into keeping her around and up her approval some of her later conversations are kind of sweet.
Like if you're a rift mage and she's worried about it because she doesn't want people to see her friend as some big scary wizard.
She was a very minor character in Origins, so why not? It's not like Varric where they literally recycled a companion. That way she could comment on the HoF, the Blight and could actually have dialog that led to sparing Zevran, I suppose.
It's because DA2 was going to be DLC for DA:O that got too big for it's britches so they made it a sequel.
They reused Isabela and Anders and Merrill because they were already somewhat familiar with them from the base game.
Then it went from DA:Kirkwall to DA:2 and they kept them.
>Well to be fair you only see Cullen immediately after witnessing the Templars and Mages he had befriended being turned into Abominations.
The thing was, he was a new and naive templar that is suddenly witnessed to the horrors of magic in the worst way, which makes him snap. Every ending with him has him like this
>In DA2 he experienced the very opposite situation to Ferelden's Circle; Mages who were largely uncorrupted, but trapped under the thumb of an increasingly corrupted Templar force
The mages were out of hand in Kirkwall, Meredith did literally nothing wrong until she turns on you
The only good thing about Sera is if you romance her as a Qunari and find out she's reading a bunch of books to learn about your culture.
Too bad Qunari is painfully unfinished.
Well Dwarves are descended from Titans, the source of lyrium. So at one point as a race they were strong. The elves crippled them which left them open to the Darkspawn, which humans unleashed. So basically dwarves got fucked by every other race in Thedas and it's a surprise they've managed to survive and actually mount counter measures against Darkspawn at all. Their caste system is archaic but the fact that so many dwarves only have fighting darkspawn as a career choice is likely why they've survived at all.
>The mages were out of hand in Kirkwall, Meredith did literally nothing wrong until she turns on you
But muh enigma of Kirkwall codexes that like 1% of people will actually read
>The only good thing about Sera
Is her tarot cards
I agree with everything you posted except humans unleashing Darkspawn. Unless you meant specifically on the Dorfs and not just in lore, because Bioware hasn't made up their mind on what it wants to be yet. Clues point to yet another Ancient Evil sitting in the Black City that's responsible for the Taint and thus Darkspawn/Old Gods and the Blight itself.
I don't think they ever say he was new - the implication was that he was a young guy who didn't really see the boundaries between Mages and Templars, so he buddied up to the Mages. It effected his approach in DA2, where he saw the Mages as his charges proper rather than simply unfortunate people who had to live in a tower.
Legacy states that the high incident of Blood Magic and Maleficarum in Kirkwall was because Corypheus and the Warden prison were so close. The circle mages were actually not doing anything wrong aside from Orsino - the city just had a lot of apostates. Meredith only goes crazy because of the Red Lyrium Idol. Before that you learn that her strictness is a result of her watching her younger sister turn into an abomination. Meredith is a very human character, the game just does its best to hammer in that "templars are bad, those poor mages!" that most people don't take the time to interact or side with her.
The tarot cards were kinda neat
>I don't think they ever say he was new
It was his first harrowing, at least. Just silly how much his character changes since there's no possible way to make him like that in DA:O and he's already reasonable and clearheaded as soon as he's introduced in 2
The Darkspawn didn't get free until Tevinter Magisters actually walked into the Golden/Black City. There was something wrong with the place if Corypheus is to be believed, but the First Blight and Darkspawn didn't happen until after since all races seem to have the same lore and recollection of events.
>All the races have amazing tarot card artwork
>none of it is used for your player icon; instead you get a neon green hand
>To top it off you go in thinking you'll eventually get used to how ugly a character Tallis is, but you never do.
It's not like they had much to work off, seeing as it's Felicia Day's ocdonutsteal.
DA2 is a few years after Origins and getting away from Ferelden probably did wonders. Plus, as I said, the mages in their care were actually pretty benign and the Templar force was much stronger, so he probably had more time to chill out and recover. I'm not saying the transition is perfect, but Inquisition is 10 years after Origins.
>that feel when you need to cheat on leliana if you want to survive in the end
Although I could always ask Alistair or Logan...
It's even worse if you are a female in romance with Alistair
The mages literally did nothing wrong.
>siding with religious zealots who try to oppress people that can cast lightning bolts or control minds
It was going to explode regardless of whether or not anders went full breivik.
Just don't look at the concept art or you'll realise how much content never made it into the game.
Corypheus was the only likeable character in DA:I.
>honest about his motivations
>openly disdains everyone who isnt a powerful tevinter magister
>still super sad that his gods wont talk to him so he becomes a new god so that people will have hope again
Too bad its pointless because Dumat is apparently still around. Otherwise people wouldn't get blessings by praying to him.
>Femhawke is qt
This. Also purging mages despite the game making you out to be an edgelord for doing so
Holy shit I try to black out the elf tribe bullshit from my memory everytime it gets mentioned. The entire thing was fucking retarded.
>yo merril I heard you were going to get possessed so I got possessed so you wouldnt get possessed
and then stupid fucking elves try to kill her because their keeper went full retard.
the entire thing happened because the keeper "thought" that Merril might get possessed, when she's literally the only blood mage you meet who understands anything about demons
>that scene where she mocks Anders for trusting any kind of spirit when he calls her out on her blood magic
B T F O
Orsino was working with apostates performing blood magic in the city. That's where shit went wrong. The Knight Commander and First Enchanter are supposed to work together, but Meredith and Orsino both had issues that led to them never developing much of a working relationship. The templars only got worse because of the Red Lyrium Idol. It might have exploded, but it would have taken years for it to happen. The big thing with Anders blowing up the chantry was that it made the world fear mages and gave every other chantry cause to rebel. If the Templars had just been oppressive, people would have sympathized with the mages. There might have even been reform. But instead hundreds of worshippers and a revered mother were murdered without cause by a mage. Why didn't Anders lash out at the templars?
They fucked up the qunari redesign they did in Inquisition, they looked pretty cool in II even though the horns were unnecessary
I know what you were going for now, alright. Technically the Darkspawn could be said to be from Tevinter meddling but considering that's just what the legend says, we don't know for sure and have to take the games word for it. Personally I believe Corypheus considering that they went with the theme of Solas being an ancient being and thus making most Elven legends true in nature, if slightly modified over time. But then that calls into light what exactly is the nature of the Fade and Golden City, and what resides in it and is responsible for the Taint?
I don't think Bioware even knows what's up with it; they seem fond of creating intriguing mysteries that are poorly explained if Reapers are to be an example, but we'll see when we get the next DA installment where we ransack Tevinter.
Looking at all this beautiful artwork for the game I feel sorry for the people that made it. To have this kind of creative vision and to be stuck at Bioware, where your work has to fit within the constraints of their ancient engine, garbage character modeling and animation, and lazy fucking level designers?
That must be true hell. Like a master violinist being forced to play an instrument made of a tissue box and a cardboard tube with rubber bands.
>that feel when youre fucking zevran and it isnt even cheating because a threesome with morrigan would be his idea of a great time
Zevran was the only good romance in DA:O
Shitty yaoi bait. Horrible prince archetype. Acts like Carth.
LESBIANNNNSSSS~ We dont like men but we do~
Corypheus would be a likable character if his godhood didn't begin and end with with spreading the Taint to everyone and everything.
The Tarot art really is good. Stupid glowing hand.
The whole mage plot is retarded
Time after time we are shown the Templars, sans a few bad eggs, are objectively correct but the game tries making that the "evil" choice. But the writers were so incompetent that the story makes mages look like utter assholes and are the cause of 99% of all problems in the game. Hell Meredith is pretty good before she goes cuckoo for Red Lyrium
Help my sides, how did I never realize this.
Also there's a Warden Log Entry that hints there's an Old God sleeping nearby, but they can't reach it through the rocks.
>the codex entries for Hawke after siding with Templars as a mage
So fucking sweet.
They went to Frostbite 3 so the engine isn't all that ancient anymore. However, they seriously need to work on their modeling and animation.
>not reforming him yet again in Inquisition
I just have a weakspot for him. I hate the mage faction in Inquisition and the Templars are so much better, but I forced myself to go Mage for Samson.
>Dragon age Origins
>Elves look like smaller humans with pointy ears.
>Dragon age II
>Elves are more exotic and have goat like features.
>Dragon age Inquisition
>Elves are back to tiny humans.
>mfw remembering tumblr getting mad about the hand on Blackwall's romance card being white
some of the inquisition elves still look hideous.
Why bother with femHawke and DA2 when you can have the superior qt and game with the same voice?
Someone post the "who would do such a thing over a misunderstanding" image.
And Dorfs became less broad and Qunari went brown, African-ish looking guys to beast people with dark eyes and slight hints of animalistic features to being just tall horned fucks with normal human faces.
Shit bugs the hell out of me. I also wish they'd kept the AYYY designs for the Elves. Make them more distinct and was one of the few positives about DA2.
I handed her over to the Qunari. No fucking way I'm going to keep her around because she feels sorry :((((
You wanted to be a big badass who doesn't take shit from nobody, now live with it. Or die, I don't know what the qunari did to her.
interestingly in medieval art the people of modern day Ethiopia were depicted as white, due to the fact the leaders of europe actually sympathized with their plight (christians desperately defending their homelands against the muslim hordes)
Anders falls under that category too somewhat he realizes he's getting fucked up by Vengeance hard. The problem is the game never goes anywhere or does anything with it and unless you make a constant conscious effort they remain really shitty
I thought she was annoying, but she was also doing exactly what Keepers are -supposed- to do. Dalish elves getting butthurt over blood magic made literally no sense.
As a response to Meredith treating the mages like animals. All the mages ever wanted was freedom.
If the circles were basically just turned into 'here's how to not be a demon' wizard schools then everyone could be happy.
They ducked the design in everything after Origins. They were at their best when the differences were more subtle, in Stens case being a larger than average human with a hair color that contrasted unnaturally with his skin.
Same thing happened with Mass Effects armor. It used to have a retro sci-fi feel to it, then they turned it in to Halo
He stills throws a childlike fit if you spare Loghain, would have been great to have them both and have some closure between the two. They had a connection with Maric and all. Loghain was just too much of an awesome character to kill
Inquisition tried to find the middle ground, both Sera and Solas have the weird nose thing from DA2 where their forehead and nose are basically a beak.
Also because after DA2 they decided they wanted Alistair's mom to have been an elf, so they had to redesign them again to look more human so his not being half-elf would have made sense.
>now live with it. Or die, I don't know what the qunari did to her.
They tried to take her to par vollen to be tried. She gets away again, the Arishok if fired, and you miss out on what SHOULD have been the climactic boss pf the game.
She's one of the characters that needs Hawke as a rival to become a better person honestly. Rvalmancing her makes her return it not because she's sorry, but because she finally accepts it's the right thing to do. And she's sorry.
Hardened Lesbiana was solid as well
Funny how you "harden" them and "soften" Morrigan
I could've sworn that nothing actually changes though. I actually got that scene before her cave final quest and I guess it was a bug or something because the following scenes acted like she still had it
>Still no Dorf Waifu because Gaider is ok with the PC getting split wide by a giant half-minotaur fucker's battering ram, but short thick chicks are "gross"
The codex entries talk mad trash on mages, and how mages reassessed their actions after even their Champion turned on them.
Thing is, Loghain is responsible for killing or attempting to kill every single person Alistair cares about
He wiped out the wardens, killed his obi-wan, poisoned his adoptive father and depending on how much he cares about your character tries to kill his best friend/love repeatedly all while plunging the nation he swore to protect in a conflict that would end everyone living in it
Him not being able to get over that, no matter what, is not being whiny, its being human
The most attractive chick in the game (barring painstakingly crafted femquistors) is a dwarf waifu voiced by Lightning that you can't romance.
My favorite thing about DA2 was Fenris' betrayal.
>I can't side with you Hawke, mages are EVULLLLL LEL
Okay whatever. Then I get to the final fight with meredith.
>Sorry it has come to this hawke-kun
>Fenrist. Cmon Bruh.
>Well okay I guess I'll side with you after all!
Scout Harding was the biggest tease on earth. It was like him pissing in my face and telling me it was raining.
Even more so when they do allow you to flirt with her more in the DLC but there's STILL NO FUCKING CLOSURE. If they somehow tie off her romance in the final DLC then I might go back and play through again for that alone.
VA also did Liara in Mass Effect.
Fun fact; if you flirt with her at every opportunity and do not get into a relationship, the Trespasser DLC describes your relationship with her.
Yes Loghain deserves his contempt sure, but hardened Alistair understands duty. He should understand why conscripting Loghain would be a good idea, the Wardens are supposed to do what is necessary to stop a blight. He just leaves the Wardens in the middle of a blight because he's upset with you, it's childish
Think of how it would be to have more dialogue between the two
I think Alistair didn't get the lesson about Warden's not being heroes and stallions of justice, but their goal is to stop the blight, at all cost: if it means recruiting somebody like Loghain, then so be it.
The idiotic thing is that the player can make a female dwarf and give her whatever features he wants and then have romances with npcs.
But it's not okay to create a female dwarf npc, where they get to decide her face, voice, clothing and mannerism.
Perhaps it's just taking the easy way out. If the player is doing it, then they don't have to feel responsible, even though they made it possible.
Origins had the best Elves, DA2's were total ayy lmao. Its why I like Merril in Origins even if she's only in the Dalish Origin at least she's cute and not some psychotic womanchild that's all ayy trees and not-evil-mirror
I'd say him leaving is him acknowledging that no matter what, no matter how important he was not going to be capable of cooperating with Loghain that closely in such short time, so he left to prevent them from eventually coming to blows
just talk to Loghain during the time as your companion, half the things he says would have essentially been him shouting "come at me bro" at Alistair
He still does what's necessary: he ensures the army is ready to take on the blight and he is in a position to lead them (as a (former) grey warden him being in control has several unique advantages) but sleeping in the same tent as Loghain was not going to happen
Inquisition is alright. Sometimes it feels like an offline MMO with the collecting quests, but there is some fun content involved and I enjoyed building character relationships. The quest at the
Orlesian Ballwas really fun to me, too.
I feel tempted to play through origins with a female dwarf, but the romances feel somehow weird.... Noble or Commoner? Commoner has that underdog feeling, and gives you a good reason to side with Bhelen
Not that you need a good reason, it's just a no-brainer
For what little it was I really enjoyed Descent. Dorfs/Lyrium and Titans lore? Yes please.
The origins were fucking great, especially the dialogue options each of them had.
Playing an outraged and furious city elf who was done taking humans shit was entirely possible, meeting king cailen and telling him the only reason you're there is because you murdered a noble for raping your friend, and his shocked and staggered response before Loghain pulls him out of the conversation was just a nice touch.
Don't worry, even as a noble you have all the reason to side with Bhelen, the entire origin is spent explaining how dwarven nobility works, and he just outplayed you massively at it, which a dwarf noble would certainly respect.
As much as I like Prinze Jr and his voiceacting, Iron Bull was an atrocity of a character. Fantasy/Qunari Shepard up until you recruit him, at which point he sits on his ass all day in a tavern.
god dammit, i was so hyped for DA2 after awakening
i thought only if they could keep it up, just a little bit
how painful it was to meet him in DA2, besides all other flaws of the game
>psshhh nothing personal, kid
Perfect sense to hate bhelen as a noble, but the alternative is still worse.
>dwarves literally dying as a race
>harrowmont wont shut the fuck up about MUH TRADITION
So I played the first two DLCs a while back. Is it worth it starting it up again for Trespasser? Is it really as good as the thread says?
Normally I'd make my own opinion but the install is a hefty one and my bandwidth can't take much more.
>Originally each Act would have ended with a dramatised and exaggerated version of the act's final opponent, similar to Varric's exaggerated version of the prologue
Wish that would've made it into DA2
This. Oh, what's that? Your race is dying and you don't have enough craftsmen, warriors, or pretty much any productive members of society?
Maybe if you didn't just arbitrarily throw a huge percentage of your population in the fucking trash for no apparent reason you'd be better off as a species? Dwarves are literally too stupid to live.
I let him live so that he could kill the dragon so that you may live.
Let Alistair be king, let Loghain redeem his stupidity by dying a noble death and you keep to have adventures.
What is exactly wrong with this?
>Playing an outraged and furious city elf who was done taking humans shit was entirely possible
That is exactly the same character I played. I never bothered replaying the game to see any of the other origins, but that one at least was solid gold.
Loghain's era was over. He was a good general, fought the oppressors and everything was good until the Blight happened and he went insane. Blood was needed to correct his mistake.
>implying you're not a better general and would have lead the Wardens better than he could
What happens if you let Alistar/you have sex with Morrigan and then let Loghain kill the dragon?
The only thing I wish I could change in DA:O is that you should have been able to have your origins as a City elf and end up marrying the Queen and becoming king.
Would have been a nice rise of power too. You start off as an underclass citizen and then become the king. Fuck that 'only nobles can marry the queen' bullshit.
I like playing a Dalish Elf, distrust everyone, everyone even other Elves don't trust you. Finally get to the other Dalish Camp and you're welcomed like you're family, was a nice change of pace before going back to Denerim's Alienage and talking with those round-ears who have forgotten their heritage.
Am I the only one who liked the way they did elves in DA2 ? It really differenciated them from the other races when before they just looked like tiny humans with pointy ears. Also, it may be me but it felt they had an accent in DA2 that they didn't had in DAO.
I was really desapointed when they decided to go back to the DAO elves in DAI, that was one of the rare things I liked from DA2
Yeah but I wanted my City Elf to save his people from being second class citizens and giving everyone the middle finger while being king.
It would be like if a black guy became president in the 1950s or so.
Probably not, but I absolutely hated DA2's elves. DAO gave them sharper features if you actually looked, DA2 just made them alien. Also gave them a Scottish accent, some had a strong accent, some had a vague one.
>Middle finger while being king.
>Implying shit like this wouldn't lead into a civil war as soon as the blight is dealt with.
Nice "revenge on the bigots" fantasy though. It's like a medieval fantasy version of r/thathappened.
I don't actually disagree with her. Theoretically, a game like Dragon Age or Shadowrun should be playable just as a visual novel, without any of the combat. As long as the combat's still there for anyone who wants it, what's the harm in including super easy modes that skip it for those who don't?
>They hate the DA2 and Inquisition because it was when the series became mainstream.
1. DA2 is just shit. No matter how you slice and dice it, it's just shit.
2. DA:I is pandering to the wrong audience. It was also more "mainstreamized" (if that's even a word), making DA purists (DA:O fans, really) not like the game. Suffice to say, the game didn't get the numbers EA was hoping it would get, considering the investment put into it. It placed the franchise's future in jeopardy. That's the also the reason for the slew of DLCs - they're trying to recoup as much money as they could before they shelve the franchise for a very long time or put it on a brief hiatus.
EA figured they need to give it a break: enter ME:A. ME 3, despite selling quite well, has been met with backlash,
>multicolor ending shenanigans
which can also affect sales of the game.
Hopefully, they've learned something from ME 3 and not do the multicolor BS endings. And hopefully, they've learned from their mistakes with DA:I.
>implying that's not what I want
Seriously though, an Elf King would really make everyone lose their shit and start a horrible civil war but it's the perfect endings for the origins of the City Elf.
All you get for that ending is a pat on the back from your townfolks. Being king would have fucked the entire landscape.
I don't understand the reference. Reddit maybe but I have no idea what that is.
>What happens if you let Alistar/you have sex with Morrigan and then let Loghain kill the dragon?
Anora "convinces" him to help rebuild and train the wardens, basically do what you end up doing in Awakening but he ends up doing it in Orlais, ironically
If you sacrifice yourself it says he stays with the Wardens until the calling takes him
>I don't understand the reference. Reddit maybe but I have no idea what that is.
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I'm positive that DA is now what they give their rookies/b-team to work on. Nobody takes it seriously and I don't think even papa EA expects much from it. Mass Effect is their money maker. That's what's keeping Bioware in tact. If an ME game fails, they're finished.
It doesn't make you king it makes you a decent bloke for a filthy knife-ear.
And in a couple hundred years that brave elf warden who stopped the blight will through some revision and editing become that brave human warden who stopped the blight.
you are an idiot if you think da2 is equal to origins
>no race selection
>90% of the game takes place in one city
>4 or so different dungeons that are reused for every single dungeon and side quest
>none of your choices matter
>game was rushed out the door and shipped with tons of bugs
>every companion was bisexual
>magic system dumbed down
basically you are a fucking faggot
>that one faggot who has to whip out his fanboy dick in a perfectly civil DA thread
Do you know how rare these are? Get off EAs dick and let us discuss a game, both its positives and negatives, in peace you shameless faggot
2 she's whatever but Inquisition everyone is constantly raving about what a badass and amazing spymaster she is.
The praise heaped on her from every character is obnoxious. She's also a bit of a cunt to the Inquisitor till you get to Skyhold.
>open a DA thread on vee
He's not wrong, though. There's nothing fanboy about saying that Inquisition was (literally) the most successful Bioware game launch for sales.
I find that difficult to believe without actual numbers.
And even if it's somehow true, one wonders about its post-launch numbers.
DA2 started stronger than the first before falling like a damn rock.
>Gaider thinks female dwarves are icky
Isn't he the dude who talked about how much he wanted to fuck a Qunari?
Yeah, and then was all like "Eww female dwarves look like kids!" completely ignoring the giant birthing hips, crusher thighs, and b to c cup tits.
The difference between them though is that DA2 fell into the hate machine with the general gaming community whereas Inquisition skirted over it (at least outside of /v/) Can't speak for post-launch numbers but the GOTY edition probably means they flatlined around the final DLC release.
DA:I probably sold OK since they bothered to make a GotY bundle.
The reason they didn't make a version of DAII with all the DLC is because no retailer wanted to carry it. They also had to cancel the exalted march DLC since the other two sold so poorly.
If they make a DA4 I really hope they either cut down on the zone sizes or add more interesting stuff to them. There's supposed to be some kind of planet exploration in the new ME so I suppose we'll see how they do it there.
>you will never play as the Warden again
>the best excuse they could manage was "he's too busy fruitlessly trying to extend his own lifespan to help save the world"
At least you get to kill Hawke off.
>>DA4 will be even bigger open world without even shit balls to do and feature humor exclusively revolving around cheese and LE SWOOPING
Play Trespasser. Seriously it's as good as everyone in this thread is saying and the lead writer for it is now in charge of the franchise.
>mfw Shale comes back in her true form and is totally DtF
>Be playing Dickass Mage
>Romance Morrigan until she can't live without my D
>Make myself Prince-consort to Anora
>Cuck Anora with Morrigan and have a god-baby that is some faggy little kid in DAI
She's already lusting after the Arishok sausage
I did play it, Trespasser was pretty good. Felt a bit like a point and click style story at times with the giant glowing talk points, but it was fun. A bit awkward though since Solas was my third party member and they all talk about "getting the gang back together"
As I understood, the concept is actually in vessels rather than a takeover, but a "god" soul can take control of it's vessel if it is primed to be a thrall through some ritual. This was implied with Flemeth and Morrigan/ the well of sorrows, provided the subject is willing.
Since Kieran was never willing nor a thrall to begin with, he was basically carting around this dormant soul rather than in posession of it himself. Thus Flemeth wasn't truly Mythal, but rather a batty old woman with a life elongated by Mythal's magic. How this factors into the Flemeth's-many-daughter shtick is beyond me though.
But it would explain what happened when Solas seemed to absorb her soul and why he seemed unchanged by it in extension.
That's where it gets complicated, but I think it's because of the taint. The Old God tries to stuff itself into a tainted, non-elven-magically enhanced body so shit goes bad.
So it's likely the ritual that Morrigan performed was actually meant to be a last-resort reincarnation ritual that was engineered by the elves, and was not intended to harm the child that gestated and purifed said soul. Since Mythal invented it, it's even more likely that Solas had some involvement, which would explain further why it would do no harm to the fetus.
"what's the thing you like least about the industry?"
"playing the games"
OK, so she should be a visual novel developer or something not working in video GAMES. Video GAMES need stories and sidequests that integrate the GAMEPLAY and the dark, gritty nature of their worlds into them, not "oh man I want to write a gay orgy epic ok I'll just write AROUND the game, let the stupid boys hit things with swords"
>that's not Merril
>that's not Sera
>that's not Cassandra
>that's not Josephine
>that's not Ser Joey
>that's not that faggot pretend Gray warden
>that not fucking "m-mug chantry waifu" faggot Sebastian
Having to deal with a character coming on to you does not make a character the worst character ever.