So what is to blame for the Nintendo decline? What went

>decline
There is nothing wrong with Nintendo; they have their own ecosystem outside the PCstationOne one.

nintendo sucks

I'm not a big nintendo guy, but I lobe my 3DS. I wouldn't ever buy one of their home consoles though, because they just dont appeal to me.

Isn't one of the big reasons the WiiU didn't sell, is because people didn't even know it was a new console.

>>323793358
I understand what went wrong now that I look at this chart.

Absolutely nothing. Nintendo has always been in constant decline, they just got super lucky with Wii and probably won't ever repeat its success.

I was legitimately going to buy a WiiU for Fatal Frame and a 3DS for Bravely Default. I didn't buy either because censorship.

Because theres less and less manchildren who want to play for nostalgia sake. N64 gen is the last source of those manchildren. The further you go it will exponentially get worse.

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>>323793358
Pretty much what >>323797552 said.

The real question is why did the Wii sell so much

>>323797772
"Look, son, your video games are helping me lose weight! It's so much fun to play bowling in our house!"

>>323793358
Nintendo's audience grew out of playing the same game for over decades

Also less kids play videogames amd increasingly more dudbros in their early 20s and late teens

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>>323793358
Censorship.

>>323793358
Poor name and too similar to the Wii.

>>323798290
>Also less kids play videogames
That's not true. They just play other games, like minecraft.

>>323798584
>attempting to derail vidya

The butthurt is strong in this one

>>323793358
>Gamecube and WiiU per year sales are pretty near.
>NINTENDO IS DOOMED

Nintendo didn't die with Gamecube, I don't know why it should be doomed.
>>323797178
Buy a 3DS and pirate uncensored version though.

To be fair, this is only talking about consoles.

Nintendo has the handheld market by the balls.

>>323798698

>MUH DOOM

This is what the fanboys cry when someone mentions Nintendo's decline.

>>323798584
I want to be a hermaphroniggerist

>>323798825
That goes with the kiddies are moving on case

Handhelds attracts more kids than consoles do

But smartphone/tablets is absoring that market

>>323798380
Rather, fewer kids play videogames on the home consoles. They're all about the mobile now.

>>323798942
>Hermaphrosexualism
Am I a new sjw concept?

>>323793358
censorship and desire to pirate

>>323798584
Rollllliiiin

>>323793358

polarization of their target demographic.

E for Everyone used to be games with a tasteful amount of violence and edge that didn't go over the line.

Now it's literally pre-school tier. Not even little kids want to be pandered to like that.

Hopefully Nintendo gets the memo and realizes that 7 year olds are playing Call of Duty and FNAF now. Edgy and "mature" styles work better with kids than they did in the 90s.

Wii was a fluck, everyone fell for the waggle gimmick including me. Wii U was a marketing disaster everyone thought it was some Wii upgrade.

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>>323798584
rolling for homofaggotite!

>>323793358
They went for the casual market and netflix box audience, which got eaten up by smartphones.

>>323798380
Which isn't that much different than Farmville or The Sims.

The next Animal Crossing needs to give the players far, far more freedom to modify and expand their town or village or even city. And create.

>>323798584
rollan

>>323794094
>PC
Not even a factor.

Playstation/Xbox have the biggest market which they share and compete with each other for, Nintendo has a smaller secondary market which they essentially own. PC is a niche community.

>>323799219
>Edgy and "mature" styles work better with kids than they did in the 90s
Pretty sure it was always like that. Me and most of my peers (90s kids) all watched Rambo, Predator and so on before we were 8. Super cute kids stuff isn't really appealing unless you're 4 or a girl.

>>323798584
roll

>>323793358
the gimmicks of the wii turned off a lot of core gamers, the Wii U had a terrible naming scheme, and nintendos internet support is still terrible.

It's better, there's that. but it's still really bad.

gimmicks are okay as long as they're not shoved down your throat (Donkey kong country returns, Phantom hourglass)

also the push to making otherise singleplayer games into poorly designed multiplayer clusterfucks (New Super Mario Bros Wii/U, while its easy singleplayer, its nothing other than butting heads in multiplayer)

not to mention they need to fire a lot of their musical directors. Mario Galaxy was great and all, but whoever was directing the show for NSMB, DKCR, and the like.

Not to mention cookie cutting some of those, especially NSMB.

>>323799819
As I said, >>323798316 caused the decline.

It was Mortal Kombat that made consumers of all ages pause and start thinking Nintendo was treating EVERYONE who bought their games as small children.

>>323798584

Ring a ding ding baby

>>323799219
>Edgy and "mature" styles work better with kids than they did in the 90s.
No, it doesn't, it always worked better because kids always want to be "edgy" and "mature". Such dumb creatures.

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>>323793358
>>323798316
That's really only a symptom of their decline, not the cause. The real problem is that Nintendo always lived in their own little bubble thinking they're above current hardware and media trends and think that 3rd-party developers should just flock to them because the NES help reinvent the console gaming market.

Super NES = Slow-ass CPU by 1990 standards.
N64 = Cartridges when everyone else was switching to CD-ROMs
GameCube = No real online infrastructure. Mini-DVDs instead of proper DVD.
Wii = A complete fluke of a success. Was successful by marketing to grandparents and pre-schoolers, but had no serious 3rd-party support.
Wii U = Tried to pander to casuals again without the same success. Basically a souped-up Xbox 360.

>>323798584
fluid oppression queen here we go!

>>323799663
>PC is a niche community.
Delusional consolekids everyone

>>323799663
>PC is a niche community.
In Japan and the US, maybe, but PC reigns supreme in Europe, both Eastern and Western

Nintendo lacks the third party That is why It is slowly lowering.

Wii was a out liner.

>>323800273
It's a fact. Deal with it.
>>323800294
>but PC reigns supreme in Europe
Europe is unequivocally PS territory.

>>323800575
In England, but I'm German and hardly anyone I know owns any consoles. You are correct about the most owned ones being Sony's, though.

The cause is two fold, one it was cheap by 2006 standards and two it panders to the casuals. The type of audience that only jumps to the next new fad and doesn't have any sort of attachment to the brand. Its the reason why the wii declined fast near the end of last gen. Nintendo tried pander the casuals again with a new gimmick but most of them moved to mobiles at that point.

TL;DR Casuals is what made the wii sell and it also what killed the wii u.

>>323798584
I desire homophobicism

>>323793358
>the Wiiu has so less consoles than the Wii did in a year


That is just sad.

>>323800734
>Nintendo tried pander the casuals again
How does the WiiU pander to casuals?

Explain it properly.

>>323793358
>Ctrl+F
>Only one result for "cartridge"

Fucking N64 nostalgiafags. That piece of shit forever doomed the company

>>323794094
>There is nothing wrong with Nintendo
lol
they're a joke if compared to their former selves.

>>323800849
>being THIS autismal
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/MJs2bNTKBeaanVyCmNFPvg%3D%3D

>>323800849
>Since the Wii came out they can eat shit and die for all I care

Thankfully Iwata already did. Now we need to get rid of Reggie and Miyamoto

>>323800849
>extremely spoopy
Hope the NX does as bad as the Shit U.
Feels good. They deserve it.
Melee will always be their zenith anyway.

>>323793358
They're taking it too easy.
The SNES was revolutionary. The N64 and Gamecube had competition but had game changers on their systems you had to recognize and couldn't find elsewhere.
The Wii is where they just seem to have titles for the sake of it.
Enough screwing around, it's time to take the game by storm.
>Select all images with a Sun Umbrella
>Sunbrella

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>>323797178
>>323798316
>>323799126
>hurr durr censorship

No one cares except fat nerds whose life is video games and nothing more.

>>323793358
Sony and Dudebros

>>323793358
Lack of a standout launch line-up
Droughts
Lack of marketing compared to the Wii

But above all else, whatever marketing it did receive failed to accurately portray what the Wii U does and what it can do differently from everything else. Stuff like those online videos showing off people demoing the Wii's games and that TV campaign about the two nips traveling cross-country, busting into people's houses, and saying "YU FIRUFI GAIJINS WAN TSU PRAY SAMU BIDEO GEIMU?" was some effective shit, and managed to accurately display what the Wii was and what it was capable of doing. I don't think I saw anything like that for the Wii U.

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>>323793358
Abandoned their fanbase for normies who had no intention of ever buying a Nintendo product ever again since they never used their Wii.

>>323801145
I truly believe that it's too later for nintendo at this point. They simply can not make a good video game anymore. Scratch that, they can make good video games, but not masterpieces or even Great games at this point.
I mean, do you trust nintendo, modern nintendo, with Metroid or f-zero? We saw how star fox ended up, like shit.

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>>323801169
>mfw I'm a fat nerd, my life is nothing but games and I'm still not that much of a faggot who goes onto online crusades

>>323793358

3rd-6th gen: increasing competition

8th gen: massive decline in quantity and quality of games

>>323800849
seeing as how they haven't censored a single decent game yet, I haven't given a single shit.

I mean, honestly, did any of you try fatal frame? It was so embarrassing.

Gonna be real though, even as a nintendrone, everything after sm4sh has been shovelware.

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>>323801059
You think the spoopy part was memetastic? You haven't seen nothing yet!

>>323800896
Well considering the gamepad is a major marketing point of the wii u along with amiibos. Its clear the nintendo is trying the make the wii u appealing to casuals.

I mean it did try to recapture mainstream support by having third party launch titles but that failed. Nintendo is trying to find a place in the market but so far no success.

>>323800734
B...but it's only the name and marketing!

I hope Nintendo drowns in their "blue ocean"

>>323801397
half of them are fake, i refuse to believe it.

People realized that they don't want gimmicks, they just want to game. It seems like Nintendo plans on continuing the gimmicks with the NX. This will be an utter failure if it's not marketed towards normies correctly. I also dislike the Nintendo atmosphere, feels like it's for a bunch of kids and man children. I just want Nintendo to drop the whole gimmicky bs and make a serious console for once. You know somethings wrong when the controller costs more than the console itself.

>>323801408
How is the gamepad aimed at casuals?

>>323801307
>Face Training
Cracks me up every time. Modern Nintendo, not even once.

Wasn't the wii the cheapest out of all the new consoles? It also was family marketed so of course it would sell.

>>323799950
>shitty gameplay masked by laughably edgy, B movie tier gore
>not for children, but a discerning, mature audience
Wew lad

>>323801469
No, it's real. All of it.

>>323801059
melee was bad, you just suck at new smash games

>>323793358
A lot of things:

>No third party support
>"Kiddy" image (actual kids don't like Nintendo for this)
>Alienated the core fanbase (the Wii in general, the dumbed down gameplay, the decline in quality of games this gen).
>Draconian practices (they decide what's good or not for you. See Twitch and censoring).
>Lack of adaptability (poor online ecosistem, not aknowledging the direct competition).

That being said, the WiiU is the best console this gen at the moment. A better question would be: Why PS4 is so popular after the PS3? Literally what went right?

>>323801469
Not him, but they're legit

Even the cat ones

When I first saw them on social media I kinda just rolled my eyes but looking back, it does look pretty embarrassing on the treehouse's part.

Those guys look so young, I have no idea why they act like 45 year olds when trying to relate to younger kids.

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>>323801169
>I am the pinnacle of comedy by reposting the same troll in every thread daily

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>>323799663
>PC is a niche community

>>323800849

>modern Nintendo censors generic JRPGs!

Generic kusoge is part of the problem

The modern FE audience in particular are huge Neotendo enablers

>>323801393
>Gonna be real though, even as a nintendrone, everything after Mario Galaxy 2 has been shovelware.
Fixed.

>>323800705

>I'm German and hardly anyone I know owns any consoles

wow

>>323800113
>Super NES = Slow-ass CPU by 1990 standards.
You can install external chips on cartridge and compensate what Nintendon't.

>>323799663

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-04-16-dfc-will-sony-microsoft-remain-relevant-in-games-by-2019

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>>323801641
Especially considering their kids and teen audience is mostly gone now.

>>323801641
>Those guys look so young, I have no idea why they act like 45 year olds when trying to relate to younger kids.
I think Memers actually are that bad

>>323799663

http://gamerant.com/pc-game-sales-exceed-console-global-revenue/

>>323801408
They're trying to cater to that family demographic. We all fucking know that demographic does not exist, the stereotypical soccer mom with a husband and 2 kids all playing games together. That is just not the case. For me personally, I have yet to meet a kid under 12 that prefers to play on the wiiU. A majority of the answers were playstation. So if even kids aren't really interested in Nintendo than they need to change their future plans cause this will not work out for them anymore.

>>323793358
They went down the casual market who has less interest in new consoles.

They bought a Wii and that's the only console they'll ever buy

>>323800705
>None of the people I know own consoles therefore it is objectively a small market
Ok champ.

>>323801728

I don't like mario games, so you'd be wrong.

And clearly you either don't play smash, or you're a maylay burger, so your opinion is discarded either way.

>>323801338
>I mean, do you trust nintendo, modern nintendo, with Metroid or f-zero?
If I'm honest with myself, no, but blind as it might be I have to have faith they can still pull through or the alternative is accepting that this is it.

Nintendo definitely has the money to make a separate, "audience test" device to see who they should pander to.
If their casual-pandering console sells more, they know that to sell SportsFit consoles and scrap the general console market entirely. Pre-loading might make the consoles sell for less.
If the NX somehow busts door, they just hit a dry period.
In all other cases, say hello to Nintendo, the handheld console maker.

>>323802075
Lol I've noticed that too though. A lot of euros game on pc. I find it strange.

>>323798584
Rollan

>>323798584
Rollin

>>323802209
>A lot of euros game on pc. I find it strange.
Euros work hard and get paid little, so they're secretly playing PC games while no one sees.

>>323801169
When editing shit out of games makes your own fans go out of the way to install custom firmware on your console, you know you fucked up.

Is hurting Nintendo image at this point.

>>323798584
Ugh ! Can you not ?

Ever since Nintendo announced the WiiU, I don't think they've made a wise business decision. In fact, it's almost like they're trying to see how badly they can crash and burn.

>>323801994
Its either the other two consoles but for me its mostly mobile devices sad state of affairs right?

The majority of Nintendo's market is buying handheld systems. They need to just drop the home system in favor or something that serves as an extension of the mobile system.

The NX should be something like the WiiU in reverse, a handheld that optionally streams an image to a TV dongle.

>>323802521
It started with the Wii.

>>323801560
Not him but look at the first trailer: shows how can you tell your kid to fuck off while you watch baseball. Shows how you can play checkers on the pad alone. Shows Wii Sports and photo sharing.

The actual screen was to lure in casuals. The button placement and the introduction of clickable sticks was for the hardcore (but we have the pro controller for that).

>>323801558
>People realized that they don't want gimmicks, they just want to game.
This. For GOD's sake! I just want a capable console that is on par with PS4/Xbone and a TRADITIONAL controller , has an account system, party chat and the ability to play Blu-Rays and mp3s/audio cds.
I'm not interested in some plastic chink toys that cost $0.50 to produce and are being sold for $20. I also don't want "new and exciting" ways to control mario and maybe even smell his ass because of the TOTALLY NEW AND REVOLUTIONARY Smell-O-Game gimmick.

I want a god damn $30 million budget F-Zero where I can gotta go fast
I want a 3D Mario that is not some shitty DS rehash and makes me drop my jaw like Super Mario 64 once did
I want a Zelda that is as huge as GTA IV with a $100 million budget because you god damn slit eyed kikes HAVE THAT money in your so called battle chest. You can afford it, so fuck you.
I want a Metroid just like Super Metroid - in 2D and in HD that looks as awe inspiring and beautiful as Muramasa or Dragon's Crown

If you can't do this then you are worthless to the gaming world and have no place in this business anymore.

>>323802643
If you mean mobile as in phones than yes.. Sad indeed. It's OK though, games are getting pretty boring for me right now. I only have fun when playing with others. Can't really get into a single player game these days.

>>323802720
How is any of that casual?
The second screen proved itself on their handhelds and its not casual at all.
It opens up tons of gameplay possibilities.

It did end up being underutilized, but thats a different issue. A real issue.

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>>323802768

>>323793358
The same reason as Sony during the PS3 era

YOU
FUCKED
UP

>>323793358
You

>>323802768
>If you can't do this then you are worthless to the gaming world and have no place in this business anymore.

Worthless?
MUA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
ALL I WANT IS MOOOOOOOOOOOOONEY!
MORE MONEY!
FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED ME MONEEEEEEEEEEY!

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>>323802768

I really want Nintendo to make a powerful non gimmick console again, if only to see it fail again so all these retards who ask for it shut up forever.

Nobody remembers the Gamecube which was a huge failure already.

>>323802873
It was marketed at casuals. Every old fan was mad at the screen because the thing was huge. Is underutilized because it was never intended to be utilized deep.

Even Miyamoto himself blames the tablet market for the lackluster sales. That's like admiting they wanted to lure the casuals again. Now they're trying to utilize it for the few core fans left.

Ubisoft were the only ones dumb enough to cater to the hardcore players with the screen. I can't blame them though, i enjoyed ZombiU.

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>>323793358

They keep trusting third parties to deliver on exclusives (SE/Capcom on the N64, the Capcom 5, Konami and SE on the GC, Ubisoft, EA, etc, on the Wii/WiiU) which then gives their consoles a reputation of "no gaems", which then means they double down on their own shit with their first year, which usually results in 1 amazing game for every 5 meh as fuck releases.

How do they solve this?

Make a £150 Nintendo machine

>Strictly Nintendo titles and Nintendo themed third party titles (Pokken/HW, etc)
>Cheap to buy in to
>Third parties can release on the console but shouldn't be relied upon

Like, seriously. The answer is so obvious. Double the FUCK down on internal studios/trusted third party devs and stop relying on shitters like EA and Ubisoft to fill out your release schedule. Ubisoft delaying Rayman Legends and then subsequently making it a multiplat a year after release resulted in 2 rushed Nintendo games to fill its hole in the release schedule, which then put everything else off later in 2013-2014 - NSLU and Pikmin 3 (kinda fixed through DLC, but not really). You'd have thought they'd have learned by now that relying on the same third party devs that have been fucking your company since 1994 is stupid as fuck.

>>323802521
>>323802705

They went bad since N64 days.

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>>323802768
>where I can gotta go fast
Thanks for my second kek of the day anon.
But YES I'm fucking waiting for the next level Nintendo games. I want that next gen zelda game so bad, not some fucking cartoony skyward sword bs. Only reason I got a wiiU was because I got hyped by the zelda wiiU tech demo from many many years ago and smash. Both of which have disappointed me to the point where I just gave my wiiU away to someone that was unfortunate enough to not have any games.
When Nintendo, when will I get my next level zelda game? I just gave up all hope, a zelda game with such graphical fidelity and detail simply cannot exist. I've come to accept that and now I've moved on.

>>323803383
> Every old fan was mad at the screen because the thing was huge.
How about you dont project your own opinions on every single old Nintendo fan?

>>323803389
It does look like they are trying to branch out and get some other third parties on board again.

They cowork with Platinum a lot and it looks like there will be some stuff from SE coming in the future.

They definitely should cut out shit companies like EA and Ubisoft. Nobody buys their games on Nintendo systems anyways outside of Rayman maybe, and we saw what kind of shit Ubisfot pulled.

They should get some japs on board again. Pay them all off if needed.
Projects like Hyrule Warriors arent a bad idea either. Its clear that Nintendo alone cant perfectly support both a handheld and a console with their games alone. This has been an issue since the N64.
Their handhelds get plenty of third party attention, but their consoles dont.

>>323803472
I shoudn't be spoonfeeding your ass, but here:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/03/wii-us-gamepad-revealed

Check the comments.

Stop disregarding every criticism. Much like the Wiimote, the Gamepad was trashed since the start, no matter how much you love the thing.

>>323803880
>ign comments
Nice. Nobody gives a shit.

>>323803782
2bh Nintendo really needs their own titles as well as

>Capcom (not for multiplats)
>Koei Tecmo
>Natsume
>Level 5
>Bamco

To absolutely come the fuck on board to make/publish Nintendo IP

>>323793358
Wow, the Wii U might not even surpass the GameCube.

>>323803403
Only sales-wise, because of minor bad decisions. With the Wii Nintendo totally changed their focus for the worse.

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>>323803463
There's nothing wrong with Zelda U's graphics

>>323804042
I think it should be a mix, even multiplats.
You cant expect a company like SE to bring out an exclusive heavy hitter like FF7 HD to Nintendo.
But if they make it a multiplat (and this specific case WILL be a multiplat) they could maybe convince SE to port it over to the NX.

That would definitely get some people to buy shit at least.
Like, personally I'd love it if Nintendo got all of their standard first party games and then the japanese bigname third party multiplats.
It would make the PS4 completely fucking redundant to me.
I can live without the Uncharteds, the CoDs and the Assassins Creeds.
And while this is a huge part of the market these days, I'm also sure that there's at least a couple million people out there who think like me.

>>323804014
You know, you can enjoy something and at the same time, be critical about it. Grow up faggot.

>>323794094
>they have their own
And it's been shrinking since the 90s. At this pace, the NX won't even break 7 million lifetime.

>>323804440
I am critical about the WiiU all the time.
But you are projecting your own shitty opinion onto over a hundred million people and thats stupid.

>>323803418
>>323801643
>I call inconvenient truths "bait"

>>323804317
Some people thought we were getting something similar to this
https://youtu.be/u_fyOkrteqM

They went into huge decline with Gamecube, but the fluke of luck called Wii distorted their view on the future and they thought that everything's just fine. Because of that they shitted up Wii U so badly that even this sub's ninties have to admit that it was a failure.

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>>323797552
>for nostalgia sake
>Videogame company with longest running series

>nostalgia

Why do you retards like misusing words?
If it isn't rehash then its nostaligia.

>>323793358
those numbers don't seem right, i remember all of them being much lower. still, nintendo has never cared about the player at all, that worked when there was no competition, but now that other superior companies got into the industry and PC finally got it's shit together, nintendo's ideals are backfiring and now left them on the brink of bankruptcy

>>323804704
A Zelda game like that would have been cool but what we're getting is equally as impressive graphically

>>323797685
I want to see an age distribution chart.

>>323801624
>I wasn't allowed to play mortal kombat and I'm still salty over 20 years later
It was fun at the time anon. New games aren't the same at all.

>>323799005
Calling it now that the next Nintendo handheld will fail terribly. My little sister does all of her gaming on my mother's iPhone. When I was her age, everyone had a gameboy. Now I only see young adults with a 3ds.

>>323797552
...so is 4 an asymptote?

>The Wii was casul alienated everyone
Fucking bullshit repeated over and over. Shit like Operation Rainfall isn't launched and executed successfully by casuals. The Gamecube was as hardcore a system as it gets, complicated controller hardcore games and top-notch power for its gen but it still sold like shit. The Wii just took the GC internals and appealed to a broader demographic with a simplified control scheme, but it didn't ONLY appeal to that broader demographic. You could still use your hardcore controllers with it. The Wii U is back to being a hardcore-only console, a console only the most hardcore Ninty fans and ignorant parents buy. Because it doesn't have the sales, it doesn't have the games.

>>323801834
Cartridges were already expensive anon.

>>323804223
>Only sales-wise
I thought that's the first or second thing company should care about. Sony went full retard at launch of PS3 because of overwhelming success of PSX and PS2, and yet they learned their faults with PS4. But what about Nintendo?
They tried to poke WiiU with the same things as they poked the market with Wii, because the first time was successful, so I'm not surprised.
I dunno what can make NX successful. Maybe a ton of exclusive contracts with Japanese studios.

>>323805787
And yet SNES somehow managed to success in the US after 1994.

>>323806172
>yet they learned their faults with PS4
The only reason the PS4 is doing so well is because Microsoft went full retard and shot themselves in the foot with the Xbone

>>323806172
>I thought that's the first or second thing company should care about.

nintendo still makes a shit ton of money off of software even if their consoles aren't in the lead, plus their handhelds are practically untouchable. though they'll probably have to do something about that soon because mobiles are cutting into things

>>323806305
You realize the genesis used cartridges as well right? It wasn't until the ps1 rolled around with cheap to produce CD that developers and consumers started to jump ship.
Fucking hey you pikachu on the n64 was like $90 brand new. Fucking hardly worked even.

>>323806172
>They tried to poke WiiU with the same things as they poked the market with Wii
Are you fucking retarded

>>323805771
Pretty much this.

Wii U was to Wii what SNES was to NES.

It was supposed to wean people off the simple control scheme and provide core games for people who were to be still fresh in gaming to appeal to.

The real problem was that Western and Eastern 3rd parties either sabotaged their own sales due to lack of launch interest or most people were confused by the name and controller, thinking it was just a peripheral.

Here's hoping that they learned to have bettter naming sense than "Wii U" or "New Nintendo 3DS".

Nintendo themselves. Especially with the Wii U, they shot themselves in the foot trying to ride off a weakened brand, as well as thinking that they can repeat the same thing they did with the Wii and people would be happy.

They thought "We're Nintendo, people will naturally come to us" during the N64 and GC era as well, when Sony was around.

>>323806172
But if you get everything else right, except for the very specific mistakes that damaged sales, you eventually succeed in sales too. Instead, Nintendo is going down the shithole blinded by the fluke of the motion controls.

Nintendo deserves to go under.

Nintendo thinks they can make successful video game consoles by following the N64 and Gamecube philosophy of making video games that don't sell.

>>323806579
>due to lack of launch interest or most people were confused by the name and controller, thinking it was just a peripheral.
This is what deluded Nintenyearolds believe. If the naming was an issue, nobody would've bought the original Wii to begin with.

>>323805771
>>323806579
>the gamecube was hardcore and didn't sell too well
>hardcore consoles don't sell well

Nice logic, dimwit.

>>323793358
Nintendo learned their lesson. They appealed to normies with the Wii and it was a massive success, they're definitely going to do the same with the NX.

>>323806623
>Nintendo is going down the shithole blinded by the fluke of the motion controls
Here we go again, remind me what a dual-analog button-filled touchscreen slab has to do with motion controls.

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>>323806905
The normies won't be back. Nintendo will have to follow them to smart phones.

>>323806579
>Wii U was to Wii what SNES was to NES.
No. Just no.

>>323806507
>You realize the genesis used cartridges as well right?
Yes, and?
I don't know American market of that time much.

>>323806752
Do you realize how many people thought that "Wii U" meant you were only getting a tablet controller for the first 2 years of its life cycle?

>>323806847
Typically, they don't.

It's usually the one with the least focus on core graphics and more focus on innovation (PS1 for playing music, PS2 for playing DVDs, PS3 would''ve been #1 if motion controls didn't pick up in popularity due to its cheapest Bluray gimmick).

>>323806847
They don't. "Casual" gamers are and have always been the lifeblood of video gaming. Attract the mainstream and your console will be a success. Focus on a niche and your console will sell poorly.

The truth is that in order to be a big success, your console does needs 3rd party support. The NES and SNES were successful because of them. Nintendo's 1st party output is good, but to many people out there it isn't enough to justify a console. The Wii was the exception to the rule.

>>323806752
>If the naming was an issue, nobody would've bought the original Wii to begin with.
Why? Nobody thought that the Wii was a Gamecube (even though it was a Gamecube in disguise).

>>323806579
The stupid naming sense make a disturbing amount of sense if you have the right mindset.

The 'wii' sells -> people know about the 'wii' -> if we call the next console the 'wii' too, we will make gorillions dollars.

They really should have asked for the opinion of a competent marketer somewhere along the way.

>>323804939
>on the brink of bankruptcy

Yeah, no.

>>323806172
Sony didnt learn shit from the PS3 fuckup.
They were just lucky that everybody else fucked up.

Thats Sonys general recipe for success. Hope that others shit the bed and make bank.

>>323806970
>Nintendo will have to follow them to the gallows
ftfy

>>323806847
It makes sense you fucking mong, a purple lunchbox with a complicated controller alienates the "mature gamer" crowd, alienates casuals and that leaves only hardcore Ninty fans who are an increasingly small audience. The Wii was minimalist and small, it was whatever you wanted it to be, so it sold to everyone. That meant the hardcore gamers got their games, the casuals got their games and everyone was happy.

>>323807009
Nah; it was the games.
The N64 had Ocarina of Time and... that's it. Meanwhile the playstation had many diverse games for all the demographies

>>323801864
>>323801981

>pc revenue exceeds console revenue
>this clearly means that pcs are better for developers! you can be just like minecraft and league
>mobile revenue exceeds console and pc revenue
>mobileshit fuck off when will developers stop falling for the scam? a few hit games like angry birds doesn't mean you will profit too

The only difference is you like pc.

>>323806994
What I'm saying is that while you could have upgraded your games visuals with better hardware on the cartridge, nobody was going to do that when the games were already expensive shit to begin with. Jumping to CD allowed the PlayStation to go for stronger hardware knowing consumers would enjoy cheaper games while the n64 needed hardware expansion packs on top of expensive games.

>>323807310

>mobile revenue exceeds console and pc revenue

That hasn't happened though.

>>323807274
>The N64 had Ocarina of Time and... that's it.
Conveniently forgetting Mario Kart 64, Golden Eye, Mario Party games, Banjo & Kazooie games, DK64, Zelda Majora's Mask, Starfox 64, F-Zero X, Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon, Bomberman 64, Killer Instinct Gold, Mortal Kombat 4, Quest 64, Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire, Mischief Maker, Star Wars Rogue Squadron, WWF No Mercy, Ogre Battle 64, Kirby 64, Yoshi Story, Blast Corps, Perfect Dark, etc.

>>323807310
First of all I'd like to see some sources on your claim.

And generally speaking there's one huge difference you ignore you shitposting fanboy.
When a game gets made for the PC it will most likely play like a proper game, just like on consoles.

When its made for mobile its shit by default because its mobile.

Its the same reason why the mobile/arcade comparison is bullshit. Arcades lead to some of the best games ever being made. Mobile games are pretty much the worst garbage.

>>323797772
The motion controls appeal to a casual audience who wouldn't normally play video games, so instead of selling the console to Nintendo fans it sold to everyone. My great aunt who has absolutely no interest in games bought one so she can play Wii sports.

>>323807156
That was probably their logic but even if they had called it the NINTENDO AWESOME it wouldn't have made a difference. Do you remember the conference and the build-up to it when they revealed the wiimote? The hype was off the charts and Wiis flew off the shelves as a result. Nobody cared about the Wii U controller because it was just a bad idea. It wasn't a new way to play at all, just trying to ape the DS' success while totally ignoring what made the DS work as a handheld.

>>323793358
>What went so horribly wrong?

The global economy.

>>323807828
What made the DS work as a handheld?

>>323807935
Also wrong, the PS4 and Xbone are outselling the PS3 and 360. We'd see an industry-wide depression if that was the case.

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>>323793358
This is what you need to do:

1. Design product and put in on the market

2. Make people aware that your product exists

3. Incentivize them to buy your product

Nintendo just kind of stopped after completing step 1 and said: "It's fine. This is going to be fine."

The fact that 10M Wii sales were just because it was the best weight loss machine.

>>323808190
>decent gimmick
>games that actually used the gimmick well
>tons of good games in general
>clamshell design
>great battery life

>>323807009
>Do you realize how many people thought that "Wii U" meant you were only getting a tablet controller for the first 2 years of its life cycle?
Not. Care to back that up? I think people just didn't care about what was essentially a last-gen console being released almost a decade too late. Especially when the PS4 and Xbone were around the corner.

>>323807093
The point is that the Wii is such a ridiculous name for a game console and doesn't really say anything about it.

>>323808190

Because handhelds are limited by screen space. Making it fold and adding an extra screen solves that problem.

My 50 inch tv has no problems with screen space... why would I want to add an extra 8 inch screen?

>>323807713
And you conveniently forgot the entire playstation library, calling the thing "just a CD player".

>>323807448
>>323807760

It's a work in progress but you know it will happen.

http://www.geekwire.com/2015/mobile-gaming-revenue-to-surpass-console-gaming-sales-for-first-time-this-year/

You can't make an exception just because you're biased against mobile games. You have just proven that you're a fanboy who can't think rationally. I used to hate mobile as well, but some mobile games like llsif and fatego are fair with their free content. Pay to win will always be the easiest approach in f2p, but these are play to win games where even simply logging in once a day will grant you more than enough chances for rare cards. That's assuming you hate the base game itself and only want a rare card. If you play it for half an hour a day you'll have lots of fun. Mobile games aren't supposed to be a game where you sit down for five hours and play intensely. Frankly, most phones wouldn't even last five hours running a game. Mobile is a lot better than handheld in both portability and hardware. The current issues are shit controls, a terrible market for developers, and nonexistent battery life.

The truth isn't shitposting. Even if I change the comparison to mobile exceeding handheld revenue (which it did years ago), you're missing the point. You are suggesting that the popularity of a platform automatically makes it better for game development. By that logic competing platforms shouldn't even exist, yet they do. You're pretending to be retarded. Stop it.

>>323793358
Judging by the graphic it was slated to decline further, with the Wii being an anomaly.

>>323808190
Mobility, size, battery life and the fact that both screens were close together and on the same plane which made it easy to look at either. It also had games that made unique use of the touchscreen as a primary input method, like Canvas Curse, though that was more of a nice bonus since most games worked with the buttons.

>>323808464
>>323808190

also, handhelds usually have problems with control schemes. The touchscreen alleviates that problem to a certain extent.

A console controller doesn't really have any limitations that can be solved with a touchscreen.

>>323794094

That "ecosystem" died with the popularity of smartphones.

>>323808329
>>decent gimmick
How is it decent on the DS but not on the WiiU?
You think people knew what games would be made for the pad when it was announced?

>>323808464
To free up the UI. Its a really useful function.
And its not like screen space was the core function of the DS dual screen.

You know, they couldve also just made the screen of the DS bigger, like on the PSP.

>>323807713
>Mortal Kombat 4
Multiplat and not even that good of a fightan.

>>323807713
You literally listed ever worthwhile game on the n64. It was a no games system. The games it has were great. But let's not pretend it has an extensive library.

>>323808504

It says expected so it doesn't show it happened.

>>323793358
the Wii was hacked extra easy, so people got at least one of them
it will be the same with the 3DS, the sales will take of faster than my dick in front of an elementary school

>>323808654
>A console controller doesn't really have any limitations that can be solved with a touchscreen.
Bullshit. Something like the Vita is pretty much a regular controller now.
But you cant draw with a controller, you cant do drag and drop shit with a controller.

The tablet would easily enable some RTS type of games.
Sadly nobody could be bothered to.

>>323808682
>>How is it decent on the DS but not on the WiiU?

i didn't say it wasn't, but the wii u has the problem of having to constantly look between the gamepad and the tv screen rather than just having both screens in plain view. plus the wii u has jack shit for actually showing off what it can do, it's been nearly 5 years and there's barely any games that uses it well

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>>323807405
>Jumping to CD allowed the PlayStation to go for stronger hardware
I remember Playstation had not the most powerful in the 5th gen hardware but N64 had bottlenecks like cartridge medium and little texture cache.
But we were talking about SNES/Genesis competition, weren't we? Genesis had more powerful CPU, but Nintendo had better PPU and soundchip. I know Genesis succeeded before 1994, but what happened after with this success? Saturn? 32X flop? I don't know.

gimmicks over putting out decent hardware to compete with Sony and Microsoft

>>323808831

You're playing with semantics and using fallacies to ignore the argument. A more popular platform does NOT make it better for development, yet you will happily imply this is the case for pc while shutting down the case for mobile. You're a fanboy, fuck off.

>>323808735
I think that's a pretty good library.

>>323808412
Its a shitty point. Most console names dont say shit about the system.

It worked because it was different enough so people didnt confuse it with a Gamecube. Thats all that matters. Nobody buys a system because of its name.

>>323808504
>The current issues are shit controls, a terrible market for developers, and nonexistent battery life.
So you concede it's anathema to video games? Doesn't really matter if you can name a few good games, that other anon is right it's an objectively shit platform compared to just about everything.

Its sales if anything are a projection of the people who just so happen to have a smartphone and just so happen to want games without dedicated consoles and product purchase. To derive any amount of long lasting success from that market is very questionable business.

>>323808504
>You can't make an exception just because you're biased against mobile games.
I can though. I am biased for a reason.
Mobile games are objectively shit and if you disagree you're a faggot and a retard and your opinion doesnt matter.

Seriously.

>>323809003
It was. But it's completely overshadowed by the PlayStation library.

PlayStation : endless ocean of piss with a vast amount of timeless classics and hidden gems

N64 : dry wasteland with hardly anything but with a high chance that what you find is treasure.

I had both and both were good though.

>>323793358

Nintendo's marketing is pretty much shit as of now. They've been pandering to what they believed to be their fan base has grown to, which is manchildren and casuals.

Wii sold way more than it should have because of gimmicks. You don't know how many people I've seen own one and never touched it. Wii U sold like shit because they dropped the motion gimmick and just made an expensive tablet as if people really wanted to look at two screens.

They still do publish some games, but it is not as great as it could be.

>>323808682
>but the wii u has the problem of having to constantly look between the gamepad and the tv screen rather than just having both screens in plain view.
I dont get that complaint. People had an issue with games like the World Ends with You because we arent chameleons who are able to look at two screens at the same time. Same applies with the WiiU.


Its true that the tablet is underutilized though. But that shouldnt scare people away at launch when its all about the hype, which was an argument for the Wii motion controls.
Could be that waggling was just more of a novel appealing concept for the masses than a touch screen, even though a touch screen opens up better gameplay options (unless you REALLY want to waggle).

In the same way the casual platform (consoles) killed the hardcore platform (arcades) decades ago, the casual platform (mobile) will kill the hardcore platform (consoles).
The circle of life continues.

A poorly-planned launch and abysmal marketing. It came out in 2012, and had pretty much nothing going for it until a year later, when it got two good games (one of which they made no attempt to market whatsoever). Since then, it got a pretty consistent trickle of good games, but it was bogged down from the beginning by its awful name, and marketing that just made the casuals and ordinary families think it was a Wii accessory rather than a new console.

If they'd launched it in late 2013 with SM3DW, WWHD, and The Wonderful 101 as launch titles, and called it something like "Super Wii" and focused their marketing on all the things it could do that the Wii couldn't, then they might have had more of a chance.

>>323809535
Nah. There is still a big difference between mobile and console gaming.

There was never a huge difference between arcades and consoles.
Consoles were just weaker. But overall the games played the same, even if many of them were just shittier arcade ports.
And then we got systems like the Dreamcast which is literally arcade hardware.

>>323809529
>People had an issue with games like the World Ends with You
But most games didn't have that problem because the action/focus would switch from one screen to the other, allowing you to follow--if they even used both screens for the action. Oh and the Wii U pad costs more than the DS itself, so there's that too.

>>323808316
Literally this.

Wii = made fat ass americans lose weight
Wii U = "what the fuck is this, too many buttons, how do I lose weight?"

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>>323794094
A failed ecosystem.

NES marketed to kids & families. Successful, as it didn't have any real competition for several years (Genesis). "Now you're playing with Power!"

SNES marketed to kids and families until the Mortal Kombat fiasco, then switched their marketing to include young adults (their original NES market grown/growing up. "Play It Loud!"

N64 marketed towards kids, teens, and familes again, but didn't neglect the young adult/adult market. In this era they lost a HUGE chunk of 3rd party support, as many companies didn't like the N64 architecture (which made multi-plats all-but impossible) and the limited/expensive-to-buy-from-Nintendo carts. "Get N or Get Out."

Gamecube followed the N64 marketing trend, but with a greater 3rd party presence (at least at first) marketed more heavily towards teens and young adults. Fell flat when 3rd party companies abandoned the thing for the easier-to-work-with Sony (as in the company) and Microsoft. "Gamecube." -- Seriously, that was their marketing slogan.

Wii was the first to market towards the "non-gamers", such as young women, adults, and the elderly. The only issue is that they mostly stuck with the weight loss software and the pack-in games like Tennis and Bowling, leaving the traditional fans to purchase the actual games. From a hardware sales standpoint it was a success, but from a gale sales standpoint it...pretty much broke even at best. "Wii Would Like to Play."

Wii U didn't seem to market to anyone. To this day I run across people who are surprised to learn that it's not an add-on or a suped-up Wii, and stores typically stock it next to the Skylanders stuff or in the far corner out of the way of stuff that sells. Third party support dropped like a rock, even worse than the N64. Nintendo has also taken the odd marketing strategy of "adjusting" their games to appeal to those who don't buy games, which does nothing but piss-off those who do buy their games. "How U will play next." - Never heard it.

>>323809535

No. Console gaming is an 20+ billion business. Arcades weren't.

>>323809535

I think you mean handhelds like PS Vita? If you do, you are right. However, if you mean big boys like PS4... nope.

>>323810479
Nintendo core games sold quite well on the Wii.
Its not like they somehow sold less than on previous systems.
It only looks bad if you look at the attach rate, which is up to interpretation.

It looks like the Wii had a solid base of the Nintendo core (like at the very least most of the people who had a gamecube) and then a fuckton of casuals on top of it who only bought the Wiifits and Ubisoft dances.

>>323810479
>but from a gale sales standpoint it...pretty much broke even at best
Wrong.

>>323810553
Arcades were doing better than consoles back in the 80s and early 90s.

Has no one mentioned the Wii-U's abysmal marketing campaign yet?

There are people who still think the Wii-U is some weird expansion/add-on for the Wii

>>323809949
>Dreamcast which is literally arcade hardware.
Sega consoles were themselves literally arcade hardware.

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>>323810810
>It looks like the Wii had a solid base of the Nintendo core (like at the very least most of the people who had a gamecube) and then a fuckton of casuals on top of it
Finally someone gets it.

>>323810479
Wrong Wii had a bigger attach rate than pstriple.

>>323810479

the name fallacy makes sense but if that's the case why did the 3ds take off (initially it didn't) when nintendo had already released all those ds revisions (lite, dsi, dsiXL)

>>323807167
they are throwing the last of their strength into the NX, forcing out 50 million units by the end of 2016, and attempting licence out their old stale IPs to bigger companies in hopes they save them from imploding

>>323811610

Because the major selling point of the 3ds is the 3D part. Which obviously isn't compatible with existing ds systems... They also actually did marketing for the 3ds. Even the 3ds name is pretty clever.

WiiU on the other hand... what the fuck does an uppercase U have to do with anything?

>>323809535

Mobile gaming may kill handhelds, but not the consoles.

>>323810479
And since I ran out of room to answer >>323793358
Reginald is to blame for Nintendo's decline in the west, 100%. Miyamoto is to blame for Nintendo's overall decline, 100%.

What, you ask?

Miyamoto was the driving force behind both the N64 sticking to carts (as, according to several interviews, disliked CD technology & didn't believe it would catch on). Also, if they HAD gone the CD route like everyone else, they'd have to pay royalties for each CD to Sony. After their little Playstation/SNES-CD fiasco, that was something The Big N didn't want to do (it's also likely Sony was jacking-up their prices to Nintendo in revenge as well). Miyamoto was the one pushing for carts, as CD's had too long of loading time for what he envisioned for Mario 64, and Nintendo could charge royalties for each Cart. to third party companies. Carts that were, of course, far more expensive than CD's. If not for Miyamoto's small mindedness, the N64 very well could have been designed closer to the Saturn/Playstation. Miyamoto, from what I've read, was also the one pushing for the mini-discs on the GC, which couldn't hold as much data as a single DVD.

Reginald, on the other hand, is an narcissistic fop. With the previous companies he worked for he was an idiot of a marketer. He is extremely short-sighted (thinking Geist would actually compete against Halo as a prime example), and surrounds himself with people who are too afraid to disagree with him (classic boss-bully behavior).

He is the one who pushes marketing in the west only towards 1st party Nintendo titles (especially anything Mario, treating Mario like Disney used to market The Mouse). He was the one who thought to market the Wii to the geriatrics in the west while ignoring the gaming market as a whole. He is the one who attempted to block games like Xenoblade (going so far as to only consider it if XC sold-out in Europe - which it did - then gave it a limited run), and every other bad marketing decision since 2003.

>>323804787
There are no grown men who play mario and zelda games today who didnt grow up on them. That proves that nostalgia is the WHOLE appeal.

And the problem for nintendos future is that no kids today play those games either so their whole business model is set for fail.

>>323810810
Core titles and titles designed for the very young, yes. Those did sell decently. But when compared to the number of systems out there, as one person called the attach rate?

The game sales were pathetic.

>>323793358
Steady loss of 3rd party support is the cause. Wii was popular because it was the mom and dad console instead of just a "gamer" console. Anyone who doesn't play vidya normally can waggle a wiimote around and have fun in gatherings. Wii U offered nothing new the moms and dads would want so it bombed.

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>>323799663
>PC is a niche community.
Niche isn't inherently negative. It just implies a corner of the market. Consoles are so as well.

>>323793358
Nothing went wrong, the Wii U is the best console this generation.

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>>323807310
>>323808504
Mobile is absolutely no direct competition for PC and consoles. That's because it's fucking mobile.

..At least not unless laptops get some equivalent of 4G.

>>323812764
>At least not unless laptops get some equivalent of 4G
What does this even mean? laptops can use 4G no problem so why do they need an equivalent?

Why does Nintendo work so hard to make their games as bland as possible to appeal to kids?

Do they not realize that kids want don't want to be treated like kids?

>>323812906
Also 4G is fucking dogshit for gaming in any case. The speed is generally good but ping is all over the place and sometimes it can boot you down to 3G because it doesn't like your current position in your apartment even though you are smack in the middle of a dense 4G region

>>323812764
Most people who game on mobiles aren't graphics whores, though. They play quick busy games (cut the cock...err...rope), classic console games (Sonic), and games they can pretty much leave alone while it does it's own thing of all things.

>>323812998
No, they don't.

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Probably because they have zero third party

Only 1 out of the top 25 games of 2016 is even on the Wii U. Compared to 19 on the PS4, 11 on PC, and 10 on Xbone.

Nintendo quite literally doesn't have games.

>>323813410
Pretty much this. It has become increasingly 1st party machine and they don't even make as many games as they should to pull in people who would buy it purely for the Nintendo stuff. A proper Metroid and an F-Zero would make it sell like hotcakes in the west at least.

>>323812494
you need to stop posting.

>>323812906
With speeds for PC gaming? >>323813181

Obviously, mobile gets the benefit of being tiny, so there's potentially no reason to *have* a laptop unless it has a feature *over* mobile.

Also, that still doesn't make mobile and PC/consoles competitive. Something might could, but the point is that it would require some sort of innovation; and at that point, they might be the same thing. What, then -- fold-up controllers? Etc..

>>323813257
Yeah, but the mobile profit comes from phones and tablets always being accessible (as well as the more invasive and aggressive advertising, which is possibly some of that percentage). Thereof, if advertising is included in "mobile profits", there's a lot of room for including PC and gaming revenues for the same. Some browser games utilize the "free trials for in-game currency", etc., that might not make it to statistics.

>>323813785
Like F-Zero GX sold like hotcakes?

>>323813785
>A proper Metroid and an F-Zero would make it sell like hotcakes in the west at least.

No, they really wouldn't as those are somewhat niche franchises in the grand scheme of things. They would marginally improve sales and nothing more.

Nintendo has a LONG way to come.

>>323813997
>>323814059
I mean it would push a lot of long time Nintendo buyers who are on the edge about Wii U over it.

>>323801639
Everyone hated the Xbox One at release and lapped up Sony when they said you could play used games, which means absolutely nothing now.

>>323813843
>>323813997
>>323814059

They'd probably sell pretty well partly due to the fact that the Wii U crowd is starved for games, but they likely wouldn't move more consoles.

That's kind of the problem. People are still interested in Nintendo games, they just don't care about Nintendo hardware anymore.

>>323793358
No third party support/lack of games, so they appeal to a less wide audience
Crappy feature set like no real online infrastructure dont help
Behind in terms of power

>So what is to blame for the Nintendo decline?
for me, it's the strength of nintendo's handhelds
i buy the handheld and am completely satisfied, and don't even want their "home console" offering

if i wasn't getting my "nintendo game fix" from their handhelds, i MIGHT be buying their consoles
but possibly not

>>323802768
>make a system exactly like the ps4 and bone!

agree on the games part though

>>323814467
Mainline consoles are obtained to enter the huge chatroom that is, e.g., the PS4 lobby. Feel like finding those with similar interests? Games now have "competitive" leaderboards even if they don't have multiplayer. It's fun as well.

Nintendo has neither the game variety, nor the install base; and it probably shouldn't. Its online capabilities are consistently awful. There's no place for a Nintendo console, straight truthfully. Nobody should give a shit about Nintendo VR or Nintendo mobile cross-functionality for whatever the NX is. They're literally pretentious.

>>323800294
The sad thing is, in Japan, PC is more relevant than the Xbox. And when you consider that for some strange reason, you cannot buy Japanese games on PC (MGS5, DaS, etc), PC is very popular for western games, even console selling ones like GTA. Why MS hasn't bothered merging Xbox and PC for Japan is anyone's guess.

>>323814282
No it wouldn't. F-Zero GX sold poorly on a system that had 2x the sales of the Wii U.

>>323810810
>It looks like the Wii had a solid base of the Nintendo core (like at the very least most of the people who had a gamecube) and then a fuckton of casuals on top of it who only bought the Wiifits and Ubisoft dances.

which is exactly how the ps4 is now. a solid base core buying bloodborne and underage panty quest XXVII, and then a fuckton of casuals on top of it who only buy madden and call of duty

>>323793358
They could only get away with making poorer quality products than their competitors for so long. This failure will ultimately be a victory for video games. The importance of quality, and not gimmicks, will be emphasized.

The awnser is simple desu
Nintendo makes games, consoles and services for nintendo fans only and no one else. It's reputation of scaring third parties and rehashing stuff endlessly is well deserved.
As such nintendo fans get older and stop buying consoles and the replenishment rate just isn't the same.
Wii was an anomaly.

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>tfw have a wii u but only use it for netflix
>tfw bought a 3DS just for 3U but haven't touched it in well over a year

>>323815753
>a solid base core buying bloodborne and underage panty quest XXVII
Not really a solid base if Bloodborne is sitting at ~2 million and there are no other "must have" exclusives. Consoles nowadays are only for FIFAtards, the market is dead creatively.

Smas4 is shit
3D World is shit
Mario Kart, well its just same old and im sick of it

Make some good fucking games you stupid chinks and i'll buy one

>>323816206
mhx is worth checking out
already met a few qt japanese girls that added me to their friend list.

Does anyone hold Nintendo Stock? I'm thinking about investing in some shares. I personally think the NX is going to do a lot better than the Pii U

>>323793358
Making the same 3 games over and over. Nintendo will never have an original idea.

>>323800113
No one bought the GC for online tho, not for at least half of the generation. I'd be hard pressed to find anyone who actually played PS2 online

>>323816485
sure, i bet there is alot of people who want off the ride before nintendo's shares are plummet to a point they are delisted

Do we know anything concrete about the NX?

>>323816275
mario kart is the worst one of those games because it has a gimped battle mode.
Sm4sh is great m8. Only booty blasted melee fags think it sucks.
I haven't bought 3D world yet so I can't write in on the topic.

Right now, I'm using my Wii U as my bedroom internet device. I'm almost done with xenoblade clocking in at 80 hours.

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>>323793358
>13.37

>>323817119
design patents call for both a screen controller and donut shaped one, as well as ARM CPU that have next to no power in them, also it has no real ports for discs or sd cards, so we can safely say it's digital only, also a manufacturer said they are producing 60 million units by the end of 2016

>>323811610
The 3DS took off after a few years because Nintendo had a really good E3 in 2013 and 2014. Then they kinda shit the bed with 2015.

>>323817346
>Sm4sh is great m8. Only booty blasted melee fags think it sucks.

Fuck that, Sm4sh is the worst one so far as a casual game because air dodging, extremely strong shielding, extremely good dodging, and no ledge guarding make it so everyone fucking lives forever. Literally the only way people would die when I played it with my brother and cousins over christmas was when someone got to an insane percentage and got shot off the side or top of the screen. We only died off the bottom of the screen when someone sd'd, or suicide killed someone else.

As a competitive game it is the ultimate snorefest for all of those same reasons.

>>323800113
>implying people actually cared about consoles' online capabilities before the 7th generation
That shit was niche as fuck and few console games really supported it, let alone supported it well.

>>323802768
>$100 million budget for Zelda
Oh I am laffin

Sony. That is it.

They went the apple route with too much proprietary stuff except their stuff is less high tech than the competition. Cartridges when CDs were the norm, small CDs when DVDs were the norm, DVDs when Blu-ray etc.

>>323817479
Don't tell me it's the fucking Ouya again.

>>323798825

>Nintendo has the handheld market by the balls.

Whatever is left of it anyway. Remember that the 3ds is Nintendo's worst selling handheld. In fact things are so bleak in the handheld market that even tallying every Vita sold as a 3ds instead still makes it Nintendo's worst selling handheld.

>>323793358
Competition, no real 3rd party support for 3 gens and horrible branding on the wiiU.

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>>323817885
>Sm4sh is the worst one so far
Not while Brawl still exists you fucking child

>>323793358
They lost their pseudo monopoly on vidya after they got real competition.

>>323820560

The only real problem with Brawl casual play is a couple of extremely strong defensive characters. As long as those aren't used then the play is fine.

>1337

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>>323818224
>>323816684
'sup.

>>323820764
1 game that had, at max, across every console, 600,000 users. That game was not a console seller.

>>323813410
what if that zelda game isnt exclusive

>>323802353
Red pill me about Europe please I get conflicted information. I hear constantly about how much higher their quality of life is and that they get paid sick days and have a minimum of 5 weeks of paid vacation but people refer to them on here as 'yuropoors' even though they are PC gamers and PC is more expensive than consoles.

>>323820764
put hundreds of hours into the GC version and never once went online.
I knew one person with the modem and they never used it.

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>>323821543
Hello.

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>>323822378
Christ if you're going to do this shit, at least do it with a good game.

>>323820687
Horseshit!

>>323812082
Do you have any links or info dumps about these things? I love reading about this stuff.

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>>323810479

I thought the slogan during Gamecube era was "Who are you?"

>>323816224
Pretty much. There hasn't been a series of good games since 2006. Although fanboys will say otherwise. The variety of games are actually diminishing, and I am losing interest.

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>>323793358

pic related is literally the only correct answer. The only explanation. This is the single biggest mistake in the history of video games.

The Gamecube's failure, the Wii U's failure, and indeed Nintendo's coming failure can all be traced back to this one terrible decision.

>>323823589
The biggest mistake would be selling out. They kinda have by now so it doesn't matter anyway.

>>323793358
their have overdone their gimmicks and forgot their core market
sometimes you choose the wrong horse in a race
>>323821960
high social standards comes with it price aka taxes
depending on country if you get 2000€ a month you easily spend 40% on taxes

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>>323823589

I think you're wrong, even with carts the core decline of nintendo is the shift in markets.

I've worked with kids for over ten years and I never ever heard of anyone even wanting a wii. They all play halo, call of duty, etc, They come in after christmas with stories about how mom and dad got them a playstation or an xbox.

They all own ipads, or their parents do, they all have tablets they play games on. Their parents pull out some gadget from their purse and hand it to them during meetings so they're pacified.

Nintendo has lost their core audience and refused to shift, at all, ever. They simply refuse. Even the statistics show that manchildren and the mid-20 market are the only ones buying their games.

It's taken them years to finally admit that amiibos are being gobbled up by adult collectors and not the kids who they "envisioned" would play with them like toys.

Nintendo refuses to adapt, and so they'll die - if they haven't already. I honestly haven't heard nintendo anything from these kids in years.

>>323793358
>increase in competition
>nintendo sales decline
that kinda goes without saying.

altho the gc and wii u were kinda weak in sales

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>>323801307

>>323824346

All of what you're saying about the kid audience is completely true, but had Nintendo not chosen carts for the N64 they likely would have kept the stranglehold on the industry they had up to that point and there would have been no shift in the market to take place.

When you say the kids got a Playstation or Xbox for Christmas, its is because of N64 cartridges that they did.

>>323823279

nice argument

>>323793358
gimmicks like 3D and "innovative controllers" like N64 controller or WiiU tablet controller

>>323793358
1337 is that a joke?

>>323826053
"Innovating" by re-using the Game & Watch controllers as a cost saving measure is a pretty argument. Same with putting a microphone in one of the controllers and forcing developers to utilize such a gimmick.

>>323799663
Pc isn't niche it enthusiasts who play on pc, and did you not see op's image, the wii won last gen console war by a massive margin.

>tfw i was always a Nintendo fan, but external presures made me went with the others: wanted a N64, bought a PS1; wanted a Gamecube, bought a Xbox.

Currenly own a PS4 because the Wii U is utter shit. Still want my Gamecube, but nobody has one in good conditions.

>>323818224
Halo 2