>>323790673 Hate is a strong word, the game itself is fairly obviously unfinished and i'm more interested in what Rare's original game was than the Star Fox skin that got applied to it, I say this as a Star Fox fan as well.
It isn't a bad game, but it's painfully mediocre and I honestly think it could have been something special if things went down differently between Rare and Nintendo.
It was really good. Great story, great questing, good graphics too and great music. Krystal is a really interesting character but she has a lot of unexploited potential. Kind of weird that she joined the starfox crew desu.
>>323794340 Hey man its top tier for a kid's game. You can't expect some engrossing heavy rain mass effect narrative. Plus it was 10 years ago. I think it has aged well. By that I mean that if I played it again rn id likely enjoy it.
It's a terrible Zelda game. The world is barren as hell and you have to mindlessly run across it constantly. Combat is a complete joke. There's no real puzzles, just shooting fireball panels with your fireball. Even David Wise didn't give a shit about this game, his soundtrack is underwhelming as fuck.
Starfox Adventures felt to me like a movie tie in game the whole way through, which doesn't make me very kind to it. Dinosaurs are too cutesy, the gameplay when you're not flying is exactly the same as a movie tie in game, the flight controls are looser that. In starfox 64 and I played that with a broken controller.
Its just crap. Being part of the star fox series doesn't make it better.
>>323800890 Reminder that it was supposed to be a different game. What Rare's higher-ups(keyword, the actual dev team didn't want the change)were thinking when they bowed down to Miyamoto is beyond me.
Partnership most likely, before Microsoft bought Rare out. It's actually good this happened because the game would've just been in the dead pile as neo-Rare did with all their old IPs, regardless of the Rare collection.
The fact the game and all its assets is Nintendos now, they could remaster the game so it's much longer as it was originally intended, it might have the MM3D treatment if anything.
I really enjoyed it but I was pissed when I learned it was going to be an original game and ended up shoehorning Starfox in it. I guess this is why most people hate it now. Also Krystalfags. Back in the day, it was well received.
And even though Starfox characters were shoehorned, the final boss (yeah, it's Andross and not Scales, sorry for the spoilers!) with Falco showing up was hype as fuck.
What im saying is SFA aged much better than OoT because despite the handful of autists especially those that go by Jontrons review, which I seriously doubt he even played the entire game let alone did his research on the whole thing he missed the official manga that explains Falcos departure, it still holds up to a degree. It feels more like an actual Zelda game because there's no giant ass empty field, etc
The only issue was how the ending was rushed and how Andross was shoehorned in at the last second, but that was due to the buyout fucking development time over
>>323801493 All I'm saying is the game itself would have been much better if they kept it as is. Microsoft wouldn't have done a thing with the IP, but I guarantee the Xbox would have had another game for Rare to sell.
>>323801607 Don't hold your breath on that one, Nintendo has a nice track record of keeping games the way they are unless it's Mario. That'll never happen. And I reiterate: Microsoft wouldn't have done a thing with Dinosaur Planet, but it would have been another game Rare could put out on the Xbox.
>>323801489 That, too. But a good chunk of the original content can still be found in the data, implying they were going to use it anyway with Fox and crew. But your point still stands.
Compared to the Miyu&Fayfags, Farafags, and Gay furfags (muh Fox x Falco x Wolf headcanon), it really makes no difference. I would like to see those three appear though, that way everyone fucking wins and more retards get asshurt by more girls appearing.
You know a big part of "Zelda" like games is the NPCs, but anyone else HATED Starfox Adventure's NPCs? They're all riddled with bad voice acting and are seriously annoying. It doesn't make you want to save them. Even Fox had facial expressions going "Da fuck is this shit!" when talking to Tricky's mother. Even he knew these reptiles were annoying and couldn't give a damn.
Look I felt for Majora's Mask's NPCs even though they were ripped from OoT, but SFA? The NPCs are just a huge turn off.
>>323790673 It wasn't originally made to be a Star Fox game, and it REALLY shows. Some of the puzzles and quests are dull, repetitive and take a long damn time to load, the faux-language shit going on is annoying, the graphics look dull and muddy, and the plot is absurd even by Nintendo's standards. Plus you only get to fly the Arwing for all of five golden minutes, at the start and end of the game, giving you the most brief taste of actually fairly decent gameplay before you're harshly reminded that it's not the full game. It's the worst fucktease. And that's not even getting into the whole thing about Krystal existing. I'm all for having more female characters in the series, but a mystical BLUE fox that's apparently a flying expert by the next game? For real?
>Majoras Mask 3D while was the same, it had some major changes >Rare would've just ruined Dinosaur Planet on Xbox as they did Conkers Bad Fur Day, would've just been killed off like 95% of their IPs except Battletoads
Then Assault appears, and just like Mario Sunshine;
>Has the same mechanics of that of its 64 incarnaation >Focuses more on the on foot feature that was in 64s multiplayer, something next to no one knew about because unlocking it was retarded medal for venom 1 or 2 on expert, but you had to go through so much trial and error shit to get all medals on normal to get expert >Shat on for that reason because muh flight even though you still had the option on some mission, like how Sunshine was shat on because Fludd supposedly ruining platforming
Starfox adventures was/is shit. Don't get me wrong, Krystal porn was pretty good for a hot minute YEARS ago, but then I played this game. Would not bang and will not fap because of how bad this game is.
>The only issue was how the ending was rushed and how Andross was shoehorned in at the last second, but that was due to the buyout fucking development time over
What about the fact that every puzzle is some brainless "use fireball on fireball panel" shit What about the boring, context sensitive as shit upgrades, one of which is literally just a key to open several doors scattered throughout the game. What about the combat system that's more brainless and less fluid than one in a game from 1998. What about the lack of any kind of side content whatsoever. Theres like two optional magic bar upgrades and a handful of coins that unlock nothing of value and that's it. What about the art direction being so bland that the game looks like it was made from stock assets, despite the high graphical fidelity. What about the blatant padding, like the game making you going through two of the same dungeons with very mild changes twice. What about the bland soundtrack, despite being composed by David Wise
It's shit, so is any Krystalfag who thinks this game is acceptable
Why do people think that the game would have been any better had it stayed as Dinosaur Planet? You really think they didn't stick with what they had planned and developed, and instead made a whole new game, scrapping the original project?
>>323804056 Infinite? Try Silent Hill 4. That fucker had NOTHING to do with the series until the end of production when they added newspaper clippings to loosely tie Silent Hill into it and completely fuck the established lore.
>>323803104 Yes she is. People in this sub usually think that she ruined the series, get angry if you post her, and do I even need to mention all that Smash ballot shenanigans? Hell, even the Miiverse was full of anti-Krystal postings.
>>323804472 At this point I'm thinking that people don't hate Krystal for who she is, but for what she represents and where she came from. There's nothing explicitly wrong about her, but every time we see her, we're reminded that SFA existed at all, this huge mediocre dent in an otherwise great franchise, and people flip their shit.
The only people that claim this are the same autists that still get asshurt by her to this day, and it's been what, 13 years now? The ballot shit, at least here was about as much as false flagging as the other countless threads were on Ashjley, Daisy, etc.
>Constant anti posts on Miiverse
Only on the Fox page, and that was because the same handful autists from le luigi page got assmad that a bunch of drawfags supported her, al of which that made better shit than virtually everyone on the Fox page. One of em did this for fun and did a series of her as if she were up against the roster, and nobody got pissed from wha I saw, except for some ganonfag because he drew him as the CDi incarnation.
>Andross dies >Shit happens on Titania, Adnross returns thanks to the Captain of the army wanting to overthrow Pepper, think the same way Ridley and Mother Brain return >Falco leaves because he got sick of Fox's shit, being as pissy as he was in 64 >Fox and crew decide to do a freelance mission on Sauria since they couldnt find work to do, ROB points the planet out to him
Course the game kinda alters the matter differently, with Pepper playing into it.
>>323808782 That shit was hilarious. the HD version came out like 3 years after I played this on an emulator. I re-rendered it using my outdated hardware at the time and it looked better than the HD remake they sold.
The worst offender of this is most modern zelda games center dungeons around the items you get, ALBW pulled this shit and im surprised it wasnt bashed for that reason, then again it's probably because it was so damn easy to obtain the items since you could just rent and buy em than finding em. Doesnt make up for how stupid the dungeons revolved around em. It's like that minimalist X6 run where it's virtually impossible to beat the game as normal X
>>323810423 I would love to see modern zelda fans play the 2nd playthrough of the original NES game. Ever do that? There's a dungeon with no item. You finish it and get your triforce piece and leave. You can't get into the next dungeon until you get the item. You have to walk through a fake wall in the triforce room to find that shit.
Too damn short. I remember buying it and by like the next day after school (I think it came out the third week of September), I was almost done. Granted, the visuals were fucking amazing for its time, the fur physics were amazing.
Prince Tricky was poorly done though, don't remember him as useful and a shame the Arwing sections were few and far between.
>Superior voices in the cast after 64 regardless of that weird filter Assault had >They reuse the same old voice actors for petty nostalgia reasons >They sound like shit as much as the cast of Ducktales Remastered did, and those were the original voice actors from the series back then
In all fairness, Scrooge was in his 90s, the rest definitely sounded run down.
>>323813074 I can't agree. MMfagdom didn't start until the Masterquest remake came out on GC, at least not in my area. Majora's Mask was hated for being nothing but a cheap plug reusing OoT's sources and Tahl was just as bad a Navi. I think Windwaker lowered the bar and, in turn, helped created the MMfagdom we still suffer.
>>323813454 >Tahl was just as bad a Navi Neither of these two were bad. I don't get this at all.
>>323813986 Not him, but Twilight Princess was the result of the fans wanting a realistic Zelda after shitting on Wind Waker. When they got it, they still complained(Though for good reason, the game had problems). The rest is history.
Now watch this happen with Star Fox Zero, It already happened with Japan, though they never liked 64 to begin with, they just hate Zero for being that if I recall. There's still fanart of every single character except for Fara
>>323814115 I will give you that TP on the Wii was the last zelda game I played and one of the reasons I sold my wii and never regretted it. I'll also give you that it was the first "realistic" zelda and that they should have just fucking stopped.
I had another argument I was writing but just deleted it. I'm starting to feel less like Zelda became shit because of Zelda games and more that they became shit due to what nintendo became after the N64. They've been pandering to the lowest common denominators in the younger demographics since and I think that may be what cause such a shift in the series and the fandom.
The boss battles are fucking great The graphics are pretty good The music is sweet Some puzzles are pretty fun The characters are kinda bad The voice acting is terrible The story is good but presented horribly
>>323815568 Actually I will say, GC games' data was far better than most people realize but crippled by the shitty hardware Nintendo created. Get an emulator and run the same data through modern rendering and it looks better than the WiiU. This applies to all GC games that were 3D and textured including Smash Bros Melee and Metroid Prime.
With some simple texture scaling and MFAA, GC games are still competent for the modern market. Too bad their controller was shit. Luckily, modern PC controllers are still based on the classic playstation dual analog design.
The problem I have with Nintendo is their rehashing shit, if you wanted to get the newer generation to get into your shit by having em experience the originals, why not do what they did with Mario and make what was Mario All Stars by covering each game up to that point.
You could do this with Star Fox, Zelda, and a few others.
>A Star Fox collection that covers Star Fox 64, a rebuild of the SNES and lost sequel, Adventures, and Assault, ignoring Command entirely >Another Zelda collection that covers the NES up to dare I say Wind Waker >F-Zero, F-Zero X, and GX collection >Another Kirby collection >A Metroid collection like the Prime Trilogy that covers the NES, SNES, GB, and Fusion, ignores Other M entirely
I dont understand how this is so hard to do.
It shouldnt be hard to know why Pokemon isnt listed
Saying that it was based on OoT doesn't help it at all, they had a pretty solid base to start from yet Rare somehow managed to make it bad, the combat is awful, the game progression is stupidly slow, I only played through it because I wanted to see how silly it gets, and in the end it gets pretty fucking stupid.
The only good thing about it is the clues they give about earth's canon.
They were lsoing it right around the end of the 64s life, so even if say Dinosaur Planet was their's still, it would've been shit either way. Thankfully it's Nintendos because it prevents them from touching it, plus they should be able to remaster it. What im saying is Microsoft doesnt have a Zelda competitor of their own because of this.
It was mediocre, the game started falling apart halfway through and you could tell they rushed the shit out of it. It would have been interesting to see what if would have been like if Rare wasn't rushed to finish it before the buyout.
I also don't understand why people hate Krystal in the game considering she didn't do anything outside the tutorial.
To be fair, neither did Zelda, and oddly enough, she's put in the same situation as Zelda did in OoT. Shiek doesn't count because even she barely did shit.
I would've been happier if you played as the two though, cause then it would've been more diverse in gameplay.
>Fox relies on his limited blaster while using a short sword, more of a ranged type >Krystal relies on CQC and magic, essentially the Donatello if you will >plot focuses on her origins while of course Fox is trying to find something to profit off of due to having to repair shit he cant afford >She ends up joining in the end as not only did the relationship between em build as the game progresses, but Peppy himself tells her that she isnt the only one that lost her folks ad encourages her to be part of the team. This mystery continues later as she doesnt know exactly what happened to her home world.
It wouldnt hurt to do that again, but make it so say they made a sequel to assault that it concluded the mystery entirely.
>tfw I thought of how but would come off as something familiar. >The plot does involve Command but skips it entirely and retcons everything bad about it except for a few things, one of em justifying the existence of four new characters. Instead it goes into a new plot
>>323818028 I'm still calling it the worse, I say it's not bad because I liked the idea of playing as the different people other than fox with different ships. That was it's redeeming quality and one thing I hope they remember and try to incorporate and improve Zero which they probably won't
Granted Platinum's assisting with it, the fact Nintendo EAD's doing it already hints it'll be garbage. That's why it'd be good if Platinum themselves handle it because they'll most likely handle it better.
>Would most likely tell the old 64 VAs to fuck off and hire the Assault VAs or better >Bring Krystal, Panther, and the rest back as if they didnt already imply they're ok anyway >Because Japan has a hardon for harems, they finally give people Miyu & Fay, maybe introduce more waifu material just because, Fara maybe. >They mix the gameplay with Assault and Bayonetta while still having your flight and all >Amiibos unlock special costumes for each character
Adventures was basically GameCube bayonetta in 2004 with a staff that shoots fireballs. A pretty shitty basic concept that was not executed well but it has so much potential. I usually hate platinum but that sounds too OG to pass up.
I loved adventures though. One of my favorite games as a kid. The metroid prime series and starfox games on the GC were great adventure games.
Starfox assault's music is great. The musician had mad DJ skills.
If anything they could do a Dynasty Warriors installment like they did with Zelda but feature Star Fox while involving the plot of Adventures.
>Krystal as the main character, uses her staff and magic >Fox as the other main, uses ranged moves with some attacks from smash >Slippy as the accident prone one, explosives out the ass >Falco as sorta the buffed Fox, I cant think of how he'd play on his own >Peppy as the professor x, at least being in a chair while fighting, kind of a joke character >Wolf oDonnel >Leon >Panther >Some female hyena of some sort >Katt Monroe >Miyu >Fay >Fara Phoenix >Bill >Amanda >Lucy >General Scales, because he must fuck up his own men for some reason
>>323822102 I don't like Dynasty warriors. I was thinking something more combat based. Starfox will never be M rated so a bayo game starring Krystal is out da window.
I'd honestly be happy with a assault/adventures sequel with current gen graphics. Imagine something Lost Planet one but starfox themed. Muh deek! I don't know, it can be anything, so long as it is fun, has great graphics and great music.
Speaking about that, I remember the first trailor of SF zero. It looked worse than 3DS graphics. The most recent trailer looked waaaay better and more populated maps. I didn't like it at all at first but the recent trailers made it look fun.
>all adventure games are Zelda clones I want this meme to end. Of course you can see parallels within the same genre, but you wouldn't call every fps a Doom clone or every Fighting game a Street Fighter clone either. Star Fox Adventures was a new take on the series and I think it would have been perceived way better if not for the lack of another more space orientated main game.
>>323790673 The only thingI hated was that the game was kinda tedious in some parts, especially in the temples. I don't mind puzzles, but most of the exploring was just progressing through an area with nothing much happening, not even enemies to fight. It's a good game, but it's unnecessarily drawn out at some parts (like the area on the moon mountain or whatever or the sky temple place)
The worst part is that it looked way better as a new IP
Oh yeah, and that bait and switch final boss. Fuck that shit, fuck whoever did that
Thank Microsoft in part, the game was to be much longer and end in a fight almost similar to what Wind Waker does where you and Krystal kick the shit out of Scales. You were even supposed to save her halfway through the game, which has her tell you to help her stop his shit.
>>323790673 becuase NOT MUH RAIL-SHOOTING. It's ironic becuase Zero is catering to the popel that bitched for years about Adventures Assualt and Command, and yet, that game is also receiving a lot of hate at first, and hardly any hype. Just goes to show the Star fox fanbase suffers from Sonic cycle syndrome
>People ITT defending shitty 3D platformer number 3247 because they played it in MUH CHILDHOOD
Adventures was a shitty, uninspired game that was trying to ride the wake of stuff like Banjo and Spyro years too late. Nintendo tried to salvage it by slapping a likable face into it, but the game was rushed out the door and falls apart earlier than halfway through.
In fact, there is footage of the N64 version out there, and it shares entire levels with the full version. In fact, all of the finished levels on the 64, and a few of the unfinished ones, were put into Star Fox Adventures.
Really, adding Star Fox only made them need to add the space levels, new menus, some new storyline elements, and change a few characters.
The thing that killed the game was being pushed to Gamecube around the same time the Xbox buyout was imminant.
This led to: >Re-using N64 models and textures that look like ass on Gamecube, alongside good looking textures. They hide them when possible. >General Scales boss fight having to be scrapped. >Being able to play as Krystal being scrapped. >A huge portion of the game being scrapped.
Otherwise, they took what was finished on the 64 version, added some Star Fox shit, improved some of the graphics, added the Andross fight, and shipped the game incomplete. There's even some sound files of Krystal's portion of the game on disk, as well as some of the pre-Star Fox script. Also, the boss fight against Scales has it's voice acting in tact.
To be fair, Nintendo fucked it over by not referencing it in other games, its gotten to the point that people only know about Star Fox by Smash, and this has happened with Captain Falcon too. If it wasnt for Smash, those two would've been unknown at this point.
Pretty damn much, it would be nice to see all that scrapped material used in a remake so it'd make the game much better. It's really a matter of showing demand for it I guess, but who the hell really knows.
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