>PC shipments reached 71.9 million units in Q4 of calendar 2015, according to IDC, a record year-on-year drop of 10.6 per cent. Prior to this, the biggest quarterly drop was 9.8 per cent, recorded in 2013. This year was also the first since 2008 in which total shipments came in below 300 million units.
Why is PC gaming declining /v/?
More and more people already have good enough PCs, and building is becoming more common as well. Just about everyone even mildly knowledgeable about computers and gaming tend to advise against buying pre-builds.
At the same time, phones and tablets have kinda started to replace PCs and laptops for the casual internet users.
seriously, how much more of particle effects density per square inch of your monitor do we need to start enjoying new games?
PC shipments =/= PC gaming market
Gamers custom make their PCs.
All this means is that businesses are not needing as many PCs as they used to, likely because more and more are using devices they already own like laptops/ipads/ect/ect
PC gaming is on the rise, as the number of users on Steam continues to go up. Its harder to quantify numbers from sales because PC gamers are either simply upgrading old hardware, buying hardware that isn't counted as a PC like the Alienware Steam Machine, or they're building their own systems.
'PC' shipments are falling because those numbers essentially only track sales of systems with Windows, and almost nobody wants Windows 10. Most of the tech support calls I've had lately are people who accidentally updated their systems and want to roll back.
>Most of the tech support calls I've had lately are people who accidentally updated their systems and want to roll back.
They aren't, and so far Valve has been tight lipped about it. They also aren't yet included in the Steam Survey results. I think they're afraid of coverage comparing them to traditional consoles or to sales of PCs.
Thats what I thought. The pre-built PC market has always been doomed in some way. As PC proliferate, folks will learn that they can just assemble their own computer for less. Plus home assembled computers don't come with so much bloatware. Eventually, word of mouth overcomes marketing strategies, and people start coming together to make their own machines. Last three PCs I assembled was with friends, turned it into a fucking party each time.
Then there is the other side, smartphones and tablets. There is still a lot of work to be done, especially with android, but its gotten to the point where I can do 90% of my online activities over the phone. Why would the average joe buy a computer, and another internet connection to do what they can already do on their phone?
Eh, wouldn't expect many people to feel the need to buy one anyway, I mean, its being marketed towards crowds that already have a PC or already have a console, and its certainly not cheaper than a PS4 or Xbone.
Also the controller looks weird as fuck to a normie.
Even in gaming the vast majority of systems are pre-builts. Home built computers represent a tiny minority of users, but that niche market also represents a major piece of the enthusiast market which is why it gets marketed to and pandered to.
Much the same reason that the Linux market is now being pandered to despite its small size.
Normies want a laptop and a console.
Most people I know dont even have a laptop and rely on their phones for all day to day things.
Those people who do want a PC will just build their own. I cannot remember the last time I heard about anyone adult buying a prebuilt PC.
The only people left to buy prebuilts are kids who have too much of their parents money and are too lazy to build.
if anything, it's the uncontrollable oversaturation that kills the market
I honestly can't bring myself up diving into steam store exploration just because it's flooded with cheap-ass lazy indie crap, which is like scratching with a naked back through the rose bushes to get to occasional patches with ripe raspberry
>mom wants to get a new computer
>beg her to just give me a price point and I'll have a quality build for her
>no Anon I already found a good prebuilt in [crap online store]
>mom those prebuilts usually come with dogshit Chinese PSUs please for fuck's sake I'm trying to help you
>but it has a 2 year warranty
>so it will break, then will get fixed, then break again after the warranty
>Anon I know I specifically asked for your advice but actually I already had my mind made up, I'm getting the prebuilt
As an adult with a real job I see no reason to waste my precious time assembling a PC when I can pay a little extra to have it ready to go. Sounds like you're a bit uppity about working at McDonald's.
>even in gaming
Literally anyone who games on a non-gaming oriented PC is ever most likely doing it on a laptop.
Because why the fuck would you buy a weak, immobile desktop PC? Whats the benefit?
Hey atleast you can avoid being the tech-brain of your family
>anon please arrange the channels on my TV its too complex
>anon please change my facebook profile picture
>anon I think this uses electricity, you better take a look
>time and energy
I wonder how much of that you'll save when something goes wrong in the piece of shit you bought and you have to take the entire thing back to the shop for warranty.
It would be one thing to pay someone to build a good pc for you - its another thing to buy a prebuilt - whcih makes its profits on skimming off your build, making it up from shit parts and basically screwing you over at every turn.
these people value themselves so high they don't even have a friend to help them out
Not a shock since most pre-builts are either fucking garbage or the prices are just silly
Not like everyone builds their own computers, but it's also true that hardware levels are usually good enough that you don't need to upgrade as often, and most setups are modular so you can just upgrade the parts instead of the whole unit.
Unless you're a laptop warrior, in which case god help you.
Windows Laptops get counted in the same figures as other prebuilt Windows systems unless its specifically talking about the form factor. Windows tablets do as well.
Devices like Chromebooks that don't use Windows however aren't counted as PCs even when they use x86 hardware.
>other currencies tumbling down
>terrible AAA ports, one after another
>overpriced Nvidia crap
Take a wild guess.
Then buy the parts and pay someone to assemble it. Otherwise you're paying more for less quality.
Assembling a PC takes an hour, tops. Any more than that and you're a retard who couldn't comprehend legos.
A lot of import fuckery, American hardware companies thinking it's okay to replace the dollar sign with a euro sign and saying "muh taxes"
Means EU is buying a lot less hardware there.
Do you even into computers?
If you want a decent prebuild the'll charge you 10 times it's worth. Prebuilds are for people who can't into computers so they dumb shit parts in them.
I've never seen a prebuild who has all the specs one needs for gaming of high quality. Something is ALWAYS a piece of shit.
It fixes some of the performance issues Windows 7 had with AMD hardware, but that's really only to keep up with the competition. There's no major performance advance, and with any luck DX12 will be a non-issue once Vulkan launches.
The only problem with staying on 7 is that Microsoft seems determined to kill it off before its EOL date so they don't have the same problem they had with XP.
Not much difference at all. 10's only real selling point is that it has DX12 locked behind it, but most devs won't even use that for another five years. Hell, we're only just beginning to see more use of DX10 and 11 while DX9 remains king.
I'd say Windows 10's botnet metrics crap is a real concern to not update to it, but Microsoft is pushing that junk into Windows 7 and 8, and being more adamant on eventually force upgrading people on those to 10.
Can't teach an old dog new tricks
Not the end of the world I in any case, since I do have the time for them, its better than watching your retired parents screw themselves over in tech.
Still, not going to arrange those fucking tv channels.
Family tech stories?
>anon, there is some message on the pc, halp
>its a pop-up of a completed updater
>anon, pc is acting weird, there's just some picture with time
>its the login screen with no password
>anon, my skype stopped working, what do
>anon, i have no internet, why?
>plug the ether-net cable back in
I buy non branded prebuilts from pc tech stores, which are basically just packages they advertise with a mark up and you could buy the same shit in individual parts and get someone else to put it together if you wanted to
I don't want to bother with any of that shit though, I want to just buy something and be done with it
Some segments of it will, but as a whole it will continue to decline. For most people non-traditional devices are now good enough to meet their needs and the traditional desktop is on its way to being an enthusiast-only product.
What is it with people and not knowing that various shops do assembly for you for a small fee like 50€, which is still vastly cheaper than the mark-up and shittiness of prebuilts
>anon, i have no internet, why?
>plug the ether-net cable back in
you are so full of shit, family. Nobody would ever know what the fuck ETHERNET cable is in these kind of stories
So, you are either under age on an adult website, with pornographic content, which is out right illegal. Or you still live with your parents, which means you don't want a job, which is pathetic.
Either way, you know what you have to do.
The shtick is still to bundle components that let them sell expensive shit nobody buys by itself.
Honestly, if you valued your time and money and wouldn't be a little fucking bitch, you'd spend 2-3 hours learning about this and whoop - you'd be able to handle computers for the rest of your life.
You fucks don't even realize how stupid it is to read
>I value my time
in A FUCKING /v/ POST OF ALL THINGS
You probably shit away dozens of hours here yet refuse to actually acquire a simple, useful skill.
You know, there is a big difference between a piece-of-shit prebuilt that charges ridiculous markups for incredibly low-power builds and boutique-builders that lets you pick out parts and charge around ~$50 for the service fee. Maybe you should learn the difference next time before you start spouting bullshit like that
The success of the PS4 ensures that nobody will have to upgrade for a long time.
I fully expect to get another 5+ years out of my HD7870.
>dad works at legal firm
>every time I visit his crappy old PC is running 20 adware and malware programs
>doesn't let me delete them, "might be important"
>gets credit card info stolen, has to deal with bank
>gets a virus that deletes all his text files
>at a legal office
>dad why didn't you back anything up
>here's a flash drive it can hold all your text files please copy them over once a month or something
>4 months later
>dad did you copy the files on the flash drive
>"what flash drive"
DX10 kinda never did make me move to Vista - i was sitting firmly with my firm ass on XP up untill 2007-08 (when x86 RAM limit got me cornered).
It's only this time when i spread my thighs wide for UT3-shaders, first Crysis and, eventually, the Windows 7 x64, which proved 'till this day to be a very reliable system ("reliable" by MS standards anyway - i still have to manually monitor, which processes to shutdown, or clean up the mess after some dodgy auto-updated hotfix. Did I mention how fucking much I loathe the auto-updates?)
yeah, I realize some people would think I'm getting ripped off, but for me it's worth it
I don't value my money very much, but I do value my time. I enjoy browsing /v/ and doing nothing on the internet so that's valuable to me, but I don't enjoy learning about pc shit and there's no need for me to do so when I can just pay extra and avoid the hassle altogether
I don't value my time because I'm doing serious business and I have more important matters to attend to, I value my time because I don't want to be fucking bored or annoyed or whatever
My dad got his first pc at about 1990, he didn't really need it but he was like "ah this is the future, gotta get in on this now"
To this day he is so terribly inept at it its amazing, adware riddled fucking laptop he bought - but never actually taken anywhere, I have to clean that shit every 1-2 months so it even works.
His computers have been working at the same speed from win XP to win 10 today - abysmally slow.
I got him an SSD thinking this might help ME suffer through when I have to touch that slow ass shit but in the end - not even the SSD made a difference. I can't even imagine what you have to do the offset the speed gained from an SSD, but he did it.
>but for me it's worth it
Not really, considering that an alternative was already offered to you where you don't have to pay for ridiculous markups while still not wasting time on fiddling about with hardware components.
>I'm lazy and prefer to be dumb
Thats okay anon, just learn to admit how it is instead of wording it like you are making the smarter decision here.
Many many industries rely on people of your type.
There are now about 2000 native games on Linux, about 1800 on Steam alone. The pace of releases is increasing so there are more all the time. If you don't like the way Windows is going then its the only really viable alternative right now. The idea that Microsoft will come to its senses and make a new good odd numbered Windows 11 is a total fantasy, the sooner you switch the easier it will be. The idea that we could arrive in 2020 with Windows 7's EOL with the majority of users still on 7 and with Linux still at 1% of the desktop is a nightmare.
First post best post.
It's also related to advancements in--and the price-points of--hardware being developed. If there is a great year for new and affordable hardware then sales will increase.
>too much of a milquetoast faggot to spend an hour or two putting together a PC
What are you, retarded? It isn't that hard and it can end up saving you hundreds of dollarydoos.
I'll make a switch once I'm forced to, and I hope we'll have an actual alternative by then.
"linux" is not that, a freely modified fragmented-to-hell type of OS can never have enough of a userbase to even come close to what I already get from Win7+
Maybe SteamOS will be worth something one day, because all in all - we need ONE build that works for our needs - and that one has to be able to compete with DirectX
PC gaming has always been a hostage of Microshit with DirectX, the only problem today is that they are now trying to close their their system.
if there isn't a bundle thing that I actually want I just order all the separate components and get them to put it together, it's just there usually is a bundle thing I actually want
this is what living in a society is, there are particular skill sets that I consider beyond me for one reason or another and through living in a society I can purchase the goods and services that others can provide for me
I'm sure I could smoke my own venison with a bit of know-how, but I could just buy a burger from a place I like instead and go about my business as usual
Going off on a tangent here
If my house has no earthing sockets, would the method of plugging in a PSU while it's off and touching it occasionally still ground me despite the aforementioned lack of ground sockets?
Yes, and other people already pointed out his faggotry. Meanwhile, your reply to >>323789827
was retarded because it was already implied that he was talking about enthusiast hardware
>it's just there usually is a bundle thing I actually want
yep, that Palit GT 520 really is something you want, anon. Also, you can just buy the same parts of that prebuilt bundle, have that built by a boutique builder where the parts are available and pay much lower than ridiculous markups of bundled prebuilts.
Fucking Windows. I got a laptop for studying reasons that came with W8. After making it look as much like W7 as possible it was fine. Then after a while, windows 8.1 came out. As soon as the shitty update was installed, the fans started sounding like a fucking jet plane. Complained to ASUS and the blamed windows. Complained to microsoft and they blamed ASUS. Later, I managed to go back to W8 and everything was fine again but then the system wanted to self update. I kept delaying until one day it just said "windows 8.1 will be installed in four hours or earlier if you want" with no option to decline. Haven't touched the piece of shit since and I seriously hope a better OS than windows comes along that's compatible with more than two games
SteamOS is Linux. If you just want an authority to make your decisions for you you're not going to find that in the Linux world. That's a fact of life with a platform that no one entity can control and lock down.
OpenGL+SDL can already compete with DirectX, and Vulkan will definitely be on par since its D3D12's twin. The only issue currently is the quality of the ports. It would be interesting to see Gallium Nine ported to Vulkan and see games start to just use that as it would likely result in much better performance.
are you trying to make the argument that everyone who doesn't learn about the skills which produce goods and services that improve their lives are bottom feeders of society, anon?
>my toilet is clogged, better go learn about plumbing
>I'm never buying bread again because I can make my own damn bread, I'm not a bottom feeder
>who needs a shower when I can make my own shower
There is still no reason to replace a i5-3570k which is like 5 years old or some shit
About 2 years ago it was cheaper to buy a pre-built than buy all the parts myself in the UK. PC parts are a fucking joke here. That pre-built was for my friend, if I needed to replace my PC I'd be looking into a pre-built just on the off chance it's still the case
And you decided to reply to that post with a statement that does not follow about how traditional desktops in decline (which is an obvious fact that everyone already knows here) instead of addressing the error in the post?
Prebuilt or parts? Prebuilt should go down over time because building yourself is so easy and info just comes out to make it easier day by day.
That said there will be a HUGE upswing soon in higher end hardware with VR around the corner. Every oculus/etc bought means a PC purchased that's easily $1.5k+
actually yeah, I usually buy sandwiches instead of making my own
I know how to make sandwiches, I used to be a cook by trade, but typically I'll just go to a deli or cafe or subway or whatever else is convenient at the time
it's slightly more expensive but it means I get a sick warranty, a windows install and I don't have to shop around and do as much research about the parts
definitelyerino worth an extra 40-80 dollars
Prebuilt is actually going to go up over time because long term the trend in the industry is towards single chip and single board computers. Home built systems aren't going to go away, but they're going to be much more of a niche market.
AMD's Zen/Polaris SOC with HBM for instance could cut the bottom of the GPU market out pushing the cost of enthusiast cards up even more.
There are probably twice as many games for OS X, but that doesn't make OS X a viable gaming platform.
No amount of "Year of the Linux" will make Linux a viable gaming platform. The complete failure of Steam Machines has proven that once again.
I go to a boutique builder you faggot, they sell prebuilts because there are a lot of people who just want to buy a whole computer and if you buy the individual parts it's either slightly more expensive or slightly cheaper (probably depending on their stock and whatever)
This is literally the stupidest shit ever.
If you could make your own DIY 3d printer for $200 or had to buy a premade one for $2,000, which one would you choose? Right.
Unless you can't figure out how to do it yourself, you'd DIY it, which was the case for most of 3d printing's life and was significant savings if you wanted to get anywhere.
You still pay for the Windows install, and it's not like installing windows takes anything out of you. If it comes with a warranty that actually is worth the 40-80dollars IF it's a good warranty, most people don't even read it.
Anything prebuilt can be made by buying the parts and is going to be a lot cheaper. Compare any Dell, Asus, etc device with their parts raw price or just the equivalent and you will save hundreds of dollars. I built mine 3 years ago for $900 and it's the equivalent of a $1500 at the time. The one before that I built for $500 9 years ago and was playing games on high until this one.
>Mother wants a new computer
>Asks me what I think about shitty prebuilt she's looking at
>Tell her I can build her a better computer for half the price
>Couple months later my mother calls me up and tells me my aunt wants me to build her a new computer for $400 as well because 'Netflix is fidgety'
>Order the shit, put it together, bring it over there, her old shitty laptop is having a heart attack playing shit off netflix at like 3 FPS
>It's apparently been like this for months
>Set up her new computer and she's fucking ecstatic that and gives me $50 for my trouble
>Suddenly I'm getting calls from distant relatives who want me to build them PCs
>Realize I've become the dedicated family prebuilt computer distributer
No, I want a standard to be chosen, and sadly that won't happen without an authority taking action to put one thing above the rest.
Nobody wants to develop for a fragmented pos like linux until ONE has enough users to make it worth it.
Who has said that Steam Machines are a failure? Nobody expected them to launch and beat the PS4 overnight.
Also you're quite a bit off, OS X does not have twice as many games and the gap between them is closing rapidly as Linux gains ports of older titles with many newer titles being Windows and Linux only as a result of Apple's neglect of its 3D graphics stack. Vulkan coming to Linux and not OS X will give Linux an even larger advantage.
>No amount of "Year of the Linux" will make Linux a viable gaming platform.
The PS4's use of FreeBSD doesn't seem to be an impediment to its adoption as a gaming platform.
Theres a middle road between convenience and practicality.
You choose convenience over everything because you are a lazy shit person.
Buying a bread takes 5 minutes, baking one takes over an hour - so clearly theres a huge difference there.
Learning how to build a pc once for 3-4 hours and then saving tons of money (money you'd have TO SPEND TIME EARNING at some point, but I assume you live on welfare at this point) and time by not being a total tard in the subject you are involved in, is not exactly the same.
Why is it so hard to admit you are a lazy person anon?
anon, when you save money on something you still have to go into work and do your job which earns you more money
if you save money you'll just have more money, you don't get to buy your way out of your obligations with the $50 you saved building your own PC
If that's all you want that standard has already been arrived at through consensus, Debian. Ubuntu, SteamOS, they're all Debian derivatives and the options are clear. Desktop user? Ubuntu. Living room entertainment system? SteamOS.
Also at least as far as gaming goes there is no relevant fragmentation of GNU/Linux the latest SDL and OpenGL is available everywhere. Unlike Windows where XP users could never go beyond DX9, and 7 users can never go beyond DX11.
35 million people own PS4s and regularly buy games for it. If you can't tell the difference between a gaming platform and a handful of freetards who only play DOTA and haven't bought a video game in years, then please go hang yourself with an open source rope.
Not everywhere. In countries like Romania, individual parts are often massively overpriced compared to prebuilt PCs.
Your argument would make more sense if the sales numbers were only for the US, but they're not.
In the long term you can obviously.
But ofc you don't go for the long term if you cant even be bothered to save money in the short term.
The last skill I acquired lets me do my 8 hour job in 1-2.
Jesus Christ this
Steam needs to cull 90% of the indie wank on their store, it's almost entirely newgrounds-tier shit that would've been free if it'd released 10 years ago and even then people would've shit on it for looking like a nostaligc reimagining of a NES game by someone who never played NES games
1% of users on Steam own 100+ games. Linux users are much more likely than Windows users to own 100 or more games. Developers wouldn't port games to Linux if they didn't sell.
X-Com 2 is coming to Linux, but not the PS4 or the Xbone.
Street Fighter 5 is coming to Linux, but not the Xbone.
>Everyone's 5 years old rig can play nearly every game released in 2015.
Why upgrade? Also, the most played PC titles run on literal toasters.
>35million playstation owners buy games.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The playstation install base wont buy shit unless it's a must have AAA title with a solid fanbase of drones like Call of Duty or FIFA.
Let's just say it's a whole afternoon and it takes them a total of 6 hours to figure out, the savings on building a PC over buying a prebuilt is usually in the $100-200 range for most people.
To justify buying a prebuilt over just building your own 6 hours of your spare time must be worth more than the savings the prebuilt would get you. If you make more than $17-33 an hour a prebuilt is actually saving you money by not wasting 6 hours of your time on learning how to build a PC.
4 years of 28nm GPUs.
The most powerful GPU today is barely twice as powerful as the most powerful GPU from 4 years ago. On top of that it's more expensive.
That's why nobody is upgrading.
If you're talking about sales, they're usually a joke here. The only time I've had any sort of luck was when I managed to snatch a G27 wheel for 50% of the usual price, and even that was a one-of, resealed item and not even n actual part. In the vast majority of cases they just raise the prices shortly before the discount periods.
>Linux users are much more likely than Windows users to own 100 or more games
Diminishing returns, anon. Either because it's not possible to or because it's not financially practical.
The glory days of seeing your graphics almost double every year are gone. It's a shame these fucking retards that experienced that will keep wanting it to return and say it's still possible, blaming consoles for stagnation while playing DOTA and CS:GO on the side.
Unless you turn off updates and everything related to them. When I got a SSD I installed W7 ultimate 2010 build, it's in the exact shape it was before. No updates, nothing, silky smooth experience.
>meme build with old generation i5, GTX 970 and any old shit mechanical HDD
>more power than market leading consoles for at least another half decade
>free to chuck an SSD in there at any point if you feel like it
No need at all to buy a fresh build any time soon
Its not a delusion. Consider that a minority of Windows users are Enthusiasts while GNU/Linux on the other hand is essentially a platform that is essentially only for PC enthusiasts. The average Linux user has more games and has spent more money on games than the average Windows user.
Learning to build a pc is about 2 hours, every build from then on is 30 minutes
You get for this
>separate warranty on parts (you don't lose your entire pc when something shits itself)
>you are able to upgrade it as you wish
>its is most definitely better and more reliable
>savings are exponential - a good PSU, a good PC case will last 15 new builds if you wish
When you pay for a prebuilt, you are literally buying shit.
When you pay for them to build your parts together for you, you pay a hefty price for a single student's 20 minutes of work.
When you build yourself you can spend the money on yourself.
I'm not even telling you to do it - even though its easier than ever, please go on shitposting here and reading my fucking posts of all things, just don't act like you are making a smart decision by paying out the ass because you can't read a website for 2 hours, or follow a simple instructional video on youtube - even though reading websites and watching youtube vids is probably all you fucking do in your life.
True, I've got a similar setup but I do my updates in bulk about once a year, I actually had an update that was very helpful for me the other day so I did them. Just ran Spybot Anti-Beacon after to kill all that extra shit.
Steam stats count anyone who dual boots as a Windows user. The Linux stats are only the people who exclusively run Steam on Linux for gaming, or who maintain two accounts. If Steam would start counting dual-booters Linux use on Steam would see a decent bump.
My dad was one of the first people in the country to do a computer science degree. He got a first and became a maths teacher without ever working in the industry. He thinks this makes him qualified to disregard anything anyone says about computers even if it's directly relevant to a problem he's having.
In case you are unaware of how far computers have come since then, all his programming and project work was done on punch cards.
Thats a stuck up thing to do though, my dad is aware and fine with the fact that I'm better with computers than he is.
I just don't get how someone who spent either working on or spending his freetime on computers every day for 30 years can never learn how to use them properly.
And who is going make the games that benefit from this increase that also wont run on older machines? You're only looking at this from one angle. A huge chunk of the PC market isn't upgrading and publishers want wide audience games made so they can make the most possible profit. We wont see the full, effective use of these chips for another 4-6 years, especially at those high minimum buy-in prices.
I'll repeat myself. It's diminishing returns.
Stay delusional. Valve doesn't track your OS unless you participate in the hardware survey, which is a one time thing controlled by the user and doesn't even detect dual booting.
Linux gaming is a niche within a niche and will never be relevant
28nm to 14nm is a bigger jump than previous process improvements. Literally double the transistors on the same chip area.
> doesn't even detect dual booting.
Steam is more likely to present you a survey when you switch platforms. Linux users who dual boot to play games are detected as switching platforms and almost always presented with the survey on Windows.
>Linux gaming is a niche
No argument there, at least as long as we're clear that we're talking about desktop GNU/Linux.
>and will never be relevant
Niche markets can be incredibly relevant especially when they're enthusiasts with money.
In the GPU market there's still relevant competition, and as long as that's true there's still the possibility of performance leaps.
If AMD makes a comeback with Zen we might have that possibility in the CPU market again as well.
There's no middle middle market anymore. If you don't do anything but type get a tablet, if you want a workstation get a mac or Linux build, people who game build their own pcs. Why would anybody buy a pre made desktop
desu what's wrong with prebuilts today? Assuming you can select the parts you want in the build yourself, not building a pre-made from HP, or alienware or whatever then i don't see the issue. You can get it just as good as if you built it yourself.
How good is Polaris? I might just have to go AMD. I cheaped out on my build and bought a 750 Ti early last year instead of buying something good, with plans on buying something beefy whenever AMD or Nvidia releases their next generation of graphics cards.
sounds like the NCIX option and cyberpowerpc or whatever that site is that shills on twitch. Either way that still isn't really a prebuilt, just a custom tower with an assembling fee
they demoed a low power chip abound the same performance level as a 950 but consuming less than half the power. They did not demo the actual high end parts
Nobody can predict performance of chips 6 months in the future, so stop asking