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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-01-13-pc-shipments-showed-record-decline-in-q4-2015

>PC shipments reached 71.9 million units in Q4 of calendar 2015, according to IDC, a record year-on-year drop of 10.6 per cent. Prior to this, the biggest quarterly drop was 9.8 per cent, recorded in 2013. This year was also the first since 2008 in which total shipments came in below 300 million units.

Why is PC gaming declining /v/?
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PC sales are dropping because people don't need to upgrade as often. Games aren't requiring the latest cutting edge hardware anymore.
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>>323788383
it's not.
More and more people already have good enough PCs, and building is becoming more common as well. Just about everyone even mildly knowledgeable about computers and gaming tend to advise against buying pre-builds.

At the same time, phones and tablets have kinda started to replace PCs and laptops for the casual internet users.
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Because consoles advance so little i can still run games better with a 5 yr old pc than consoles.

Literally all you had to do is buy a new gpu and you are set for this gen.
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>>323788383
No real need to upgrade since the new consoles are very weak
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>>323788383
prebuilt or pc parts?
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>>323788383

You better look at the nvidia, amd and intel reports for some real numbers. These reports are just for pre-built stuff and notebooks
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seriously, how much more of particle effects density per square inch of your monitor do we need to start enjoying new games?
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>>323788383
PC shipments =/= PC gaming market

Gamers custom make their PCs.

All this means is that businesses are not needing as many PCs as they used to, likely because more and more are using devices they already own like laptops/ipads/ect/ect
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>>323788383
I wonder what the sales figures are for Steam machines actually, or are they counted as normal PC sales?
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>>323788383
PC gaming is on the rise, as the number of users on Steam continues to go up. Its harder to quantify numbers from sales because PC gamers are either simply upgrading old hardware, buying hardware that isn't counted as a PC like the Alienware Steam Machine, or they're building their own systems.

'PC' shipments are falling because those numbers essentially only track sales of systems with Windows, and almost nobody wants Windows 10. Most of the tech support calls I've had lately are people who accidentally updated their systems and want to roll back.
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>>323788978
>Most of the tech support calls I've had lately are people who accidentally updated their systems and want to roll back.
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>>323788383

How are gaming Pcs even accounted for?

All sane people buy them in parts.
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>>323789026
>How are gaming Pcs even accounted for?
They're not

OPs post is about all prebuilts, most of which go to businesses.
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>prebuilts

Oh what are we gonna do without more people getting integrated gfx cards and APUs!
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>>323789067

As I expected, this thread is over as its gaming unrelated.
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>>323788968
They aren't, and so far Valve has been tight lipped about it. They also aren't yet included in the Steam Survey results. I think they're afraid of coverage comparing them to traditional consoles or to sales of PCs.
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>>323788708
Thats what I thought. The pre-built PC market has always been doomed in some way. As PC proliferate, folks will learn that they can just assemble their own computer for less. Plus home assembled computers don't come with so much bloatware. Eventually, word of mouth overcomes marketing strategies, and people start coming together to make their own machines. Last three PCs I assembled was with friends, turned it into a fucking party each time.

Then there is the other side, smartphones and tablets. There is still a lot of work to be done, especially with android, but its gotten to the point where I can do 90% of my online activities over the phone. Why would the average joe buy a computer, and another internet connection to do what they can already do on their phone?
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>>323789138
Eh, wouldn't expect many people to feel the need to buy one anyway, I mean, its being marketed towards crowds that already have a PC or already have a console, and its certainly not cheaper than a PS4 or Xbone.

Also the controller looks weird as fuck to a normie.
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>>323789067
Even in gaming the vast majority of systems are pre-builts. Home built computers represent a tiny minority of users, but that niche market also represents a major piece of the enthusiast market which is why it gets marketed to and pandered to.

Much the same reason that the Linux market is now being pandered to despite its small size.
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Normies want a laptop and a console.
Most people I know dont even have a laptop and rely on their phones for all day to day things.

Those people who do want a PC will just build their own. I cannot remember the last time I heard about anyone adult buying a prebuilt PC.
The only people left to buy prebuilts are kids who have too much of their parents money and are too lazy to build.
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>>323788383
if anything, it's the uncontrollable oversaturation that kills the market
I honestly can't bring myself up diving into steam store exploration just because it's flooded with cheap-ass lazy indie crap, which is like scratching with a naked back through the rose bushes to get to occasional patches with ripe raspberry
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>>323788573
/thread
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because enthusiasts are the market for new pc tech and the only vaguely worth new pc tech is witcher 3
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>>323788573
>mom wants to get a new computer
>beg her to just give me a price point and I'll have a quality build for her
>no Anon I already found a good prebuilt in [crap online store]
>mom those prebuilts usually come with dogshit Chinese PSUs please for fuck's sake I'm trying to help you
>but it has a 2 year warranty
>so it will break, then will get fixed, then break again after the warranty
>Anon I know I specifically asked for your advice but actually I already had my mind made up, I'm getting the prebuilt
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>>323789329
As an adult with a real job I see no reason to waste my precious time assembling a PC when I can pay a little extra to have it ready to go. Sounds like you're a bit uppity about working at McDonald's.
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>>323789304

>even in gaming

How?

Literally anyone who games on a non-gaming oriented PC is ever most likely doing it on a laptop.

Because why the fuck would you buy a weak, immobile desktop PC? Whats the benefit?
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>>323788383
Its not. PC's tend to last awhile. Sometimes even longer than consoles.
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>>323789371
>threading your own post
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>>323788978
Is Windows 10 at all faster than Windows 7?
I tried installing it on my old PC but it just runs slower with occasional lag.
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>>323789414

Hey atleast you can avoid being the tech-brain of your family

>anon please arrange the channels on my TV its too complex
>anon please change my facebook profile picture
>anon I think this uses electricity, you better take a look
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>>323789424
qft

I value my time and energy more than fifty bucks or whatever, same reason as why I buy most games opposed to pirating them
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>>323788978

Are you working on windows tech support anon?
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>>323789457
No, he just covered everything.
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>>323789424
>Adult
>real job
>4chan
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>>323789424
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>>323789424
>>323789515

>time and energy

I wonder how much of that you'll save when something goes wrong in the piece of shit you bought and you have to take the entire thing back to the shop for warranty.

It would be one thing to pay someone to build a good pc for you - its another thing to buy a prebuilt - whcih makes its profits on skimming off your build, making it up from shit parts and basically screwing you over at every turn.

these people value themselves so high they don't even have a friend to help them out
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>>323788675
Pre-builts.

Not a shock since most pre-builts are either fucking garbage or the prices are just silly likely both

Not like everyone builds their own computers, but it's also true that hardware levels are usually good enough that you don't need to upgrade as often, and most setups are modular so you can just upgrade the parts instead of the whole unit.

Unless you're a laptop warrior, in which case god help you.
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>>323789508
>anon I think this uses electricity, you better take a look
top kek
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>>323789428
Windows Laptops get counted in the same figures as other prebuilt Windows systems unless its specifically talking about the form factor. Windows tablets do as well.

Devices like Chromebooks that don't use Windows however aren't counted as PCs even when they use x86 hardware.
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>dollar skyrocketing
>other currencies tumbling down
>terrible AAA ports, one after another
>overpriced Nvidia crap

Take a wild guess.
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>>323789424
Then buy the parts and pay someone to assemble it. Otherwise you're paying more for less quality.
>precious time
Assembling a PC takes an hour, tops. Any more than that and you're a retard who couldn't comprehend legos.
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>>323789424
Your retail job folding clothes at old Navy hardly qualifies as a real job.
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>>323789508
>3rd world problems
Just ask her repeat everything you do once you show her it. She'll either get bored of asking you or she'll learn.
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>>323789424
>Little money
>40% Markup
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>>323788383
since consoles are so behind there's less of a reason to get upgrades. a shitty gpu can still run those games
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>>323788383
A lot of import fuckery, American hardware companies thinking it's okay to replace the dollar sign with a euro sign and saying "muh taxes"

Means EU is buying a lot less hardware there.
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>prebuilt
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>>323789424
Do you even into computers?
If you want a decent prebuild the'll charge you 10 times it's worth. Prebuilds are for people who can't into computers so they dumb shit parts in them.
I've never seen a prebuild who has all the specs one needs for gaming of high quality. Something is ALWAYS a piece of shit.
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>>323789467
It fixes some of the performance issues Windows 7 had with AMD hardware, but that's really only to keep up with the competition. There's no major performance advance, and with any luck DX12 will be a non-issue once Vulkan launches.

The only problem with staying on 7 is that Microsoft seems determined to kill it off before its EOL date so they don't have the same problem they had with XP.
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>>323789725
Kinda hard to recommend a PC these days when ports have been so shitty that you need a 980 to get a smooth experience similar to that of a console.
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>>323788383
It's gonna see an upswing the next few years due to new hardware architecture with significant performance increase.
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>>323789467
Not much difference at all. 10's only real selling point is that it has DX12 locked behind it, but most devs won't even use that for another five years. Hell, we're only just beginning to see more use of DX10 and 11 while DX9 remains king.

I'd say Windows 10's botnet metrics crap is a real concern to not update to it, but Microsoft is pushing that junk into Windows 7 and 8, and being more adamant on eventually force upgrading people on those to 10.
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>>323789715

Can't teach an old dog new tricks

Not the end of the world I in any case, since I do have the time for them, its better than watching your retired parents screw themselves over in tech.

Still, not going to arrange those fucking tv channels.
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>>323789508
Family tech stories?

>anon, there is some message on the pc, halp
>its a pop-up of a completed updater

>anon, pc is acting weird, there's just some picture with time
>its the login screen with no password

>anon, my skype stopped working, what do
>restart it

>anon, i have no internet, why?
>plug the ether-net cable back in
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>>323789641
I buy non branded prebuilts from pc tech stores, which are basically just packages they advertise with a mark up and you could buy the same shit in individual parts and get someone else to put it together if you wanted to

I don't want to bother with any of that shit though, I want to just buy something and be done with it
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>>323789424
>precious time
You mean you're too much of a pussy to handle expensive hardware?
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>>323789840

Microshit will not rest until they force everyone into that to-be-walled-garden.

Makes me sad, soon even my PC will be a shitty console...
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>>323789827
Some segments of it will, but as a whole it will continue to decline. For most people non-traditional devices are now good enough to meet their needs and the traditional desktop is on its way to being an enthusiast-only product.
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>>323789424
What is it with people and not knowing that various shops do assembly for you for a small fee like 50€, which is still vastly cheaper than the mark-up and shittiness of prebuilts
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>>323789918
>anon, i have no internet, why?
>plug the ether-net cable back in

you are so full of shit, family. Nobody would ever know what the fuck ETHERNET cable is in these kind of stories
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>>323789918

So, you are either under age on an adult website, with pornographic content, which is out right illegal. Or you still live with your parents, which means you don't want a job, which is pathetic.

Either way, you know what you have to do.
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>>323788383
why would anybody buy a pre-built when they could build it themselves?
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>>323789840
>>323789810
Well shit, I guess that we'll all be forced into their botnet.
Maybe if gaming on Linux were relevant it would be worth switching over.
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>>323789951
There is another way you know, you don't have to use Windows.
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>>323788383

Casuals switching from Windows to Android.
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>>323789920

The shtick is still to bundle components that let them sell expensive shit nobody buys by itself.

Honestly, if you valued your time and money and wouldn't be a little fucking bitch, you'd spend 2-3 hours learning about this and whoop - you'd be able to handle computers for the rest of your life.

You fucks don't even realize how stupid it is to read
>I value my time
in A FUCKING /v/ POST OF ALL THINGS
You probably shit away dozens of hours here yet refuse to actually acquire a simple, useful skill.
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>>323788383
My guess is Pascal/Polaris being so close all the techies are holding their cash for the new GPUs
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>>323789920
You know, there is a big difference between a piece-of-shit prebuilt that charges ridiculous markups for incredibly low-power builds and boutique-builders that lets you pick out parts and charge around ~$50 for the service fee. Maybe you should learn the difference next time before you start spouting bullshit like that
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>>323788383
The success of the PS4 ensures that nobody will have to upgrade for a long time.

I fully expect to get another 5+ years out of my HD7870.
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>>323790096

But I want video games anon and to be able to find resolutions to my issues in a 2minute google search.
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>>323788383
>Why is PC gaming declining
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>>323789918
>dad works at legal firm
>every time I visit his crappy old PC is running 20 adware and malware programs
>doesn't let me delete them, "might be important"
>gets credit card info stolen, has to deal with bank
>gets a virus that deletes all his text files
>all
>text
>files
>at a legal office
>gone
>dad why didn't you back anything up
>"what"
>here's a flash drive it can hold all your text files please copy them over once a month or something
>"ok"
>4 months later
>dad did you copy the files on the flash drive
>"what flash drive"
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>>323790096
I actually like games though.
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>>323789840
DX10 kinda never did make me move to Vista - i was sitting firmly with my firm ass on XP up untill 2007-08 (when x86 RAM limit got me cornered).
It's only this time when i spread my thighs wide for UT3-shaders, first Crysis and, eventually, the Windows 7 x64, which proved 'till this day to be a very reliable system ("reliable" by MS standards anyway - i still have to manually monitor, which processes to shutdown, or clean up the mess after some dodgy auto-updated hotfix. Did I mention how fucking much I loathe the auto-updates?)
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>>323788383
>>323788383
because the economy is, was, and will be even worse complete shit.
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>>323790103
yeah, I realize some people would think I'm getting ripped off, but for me it's worth it

I don't value my money very much, but I do value my time. I enjoy browsing /v/ and doing nothing on the internet so that's valuable to me, but I don't enjoy learning about pc shit and there's no need for me to do so when I can just pay extra and avoid the hassle altogether

I don't value my time because I'm doing serious business and I have more important matters to attend to, I value my time because I don't want to be fucking bored or annoyed or whatever
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>>323789952
We're in a video games board, we're talking about enthusiast hardware built for gaymen. There's no need to repeat shit that everyone already knows
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>>323790307

My dad got his first pc at about 1990, he didn't really need it but he was like "ah this is the future, gotta get in on this now"

To this day he is so terribly inept at it its amazing, adware riddled fucking laptop he bought - but never actually taken anywhere, I have to clean that shit every 1-2 months so it even works.
His computers have been working at the same speed from win XP to win 10 today - abysmally slow.

I got him an SSD thinking this might help ME suffer through when I have to touch that slow ass shit but in the end - not even the SSD made a difference. I can't even imagine what you have to do the offset the speed gained from an SSD, but he did it.
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>>323790403
>but for me it's worth it
Not really, considering that an alternative was already offered to you where you don't have to pay for ridiculous markups while still not wasting time on fiddling about with hardware components.
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>>323788383
>prebuilt sales are going down
"P-PC is d-dying guys!"

Fuck off, more people than ever are building their own PCs because they know the evils of the prebuilt Jew.
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>>323790403

>I'm lazy and prefer to be dumb

Thats okay anon, just learn to admit how it is instead of wording it like you are making the smarter decision here.

Many many industries rely on people of your type.
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>>323790169
There are now about 2000 native games on Linux, about 1800 on Steam alone. The pace of releases is increasing so there are more all the time. If you don't like the way Windows is going then its the only really viable alternative right now. The idea that Microsoft will come to its senses and make a new good odd numbered Windows 11 is a total fantasy, the sooner you switch the easier it will be. The idea that we could arrive in 2020 with Windows 7's EOL with the majority of users still on 7 and with Linux still at 1% of the desktop is a nightmare.
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>>323788383
I'm hoping this means that Steam Machine failed.
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>>323790457
Sales of enthusiast PC hardware for gaming is increasing. Its the broader PC market that's in decline.
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>>323788529
First post best post.
It's also related to advancements in--and the price-points of--hardware being developed. If there is a great year for new and affordable hardware then sales will increase.
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>>323790751
The fact that we are in a video games board already implies that we are talking about enthusiast hardware unless otherwise stated
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>>323789424
>too much of a milquetoast faggot to spend an hour or two putting together a PC

What are you, retarded? It isn't that hard and it can end up saving you hundreds of dollarydoos.
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>>323790671

I'll make a switch once I'm forced to, and I hope we'll have an actual alternative by then.

"linux" is not that, a freely modified fragmented-to-hell type of OS can never have enough of a userbase to even come close to what I already get from Win7+

Maybe SteamOS will be worth something one day, because all in all - we need ONE build that works for our needs - and that one has to be able to compete with DirectX

PC gaming has always been a hostage of Microshit with DirectX, the only problem today is that they are now trying to close their their system.
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>>323790640
if there isn't a bundle thing that I actually want I just order all the separate components and get them to put it together, it's just there usually is a bundle thing I actually want

>>323790664
this is what living in a society is, there are particular skill sets that I consider beyond me for one reason or another and through living in a society I can purchase the goods and services that others can provide for me

I'm sure I could smoke my own venison with a bit of know-how, but I could just buy a burger from a place I like instead and go about my business as usual
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Going off on a tangent here
If my house has no earthing sockets, would the method of plugging in a PSU while it's off and touching it occasionally still ground me despite the aforementioned lack of ground sockets?
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>>323790794
There's all kinds of people in here talking about PCs in general because that's what OP was about.
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>>323788383
Because people don't use desktop computers anymore. And few can justify a separate desktop computer just for games. That's my story anyway.
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>>323790964
Yes, and other people already pointed out his faggotry. Meanwhile, your reply to >>323789827
was retarded because it was already implied that he was talking about enthusiast hardware
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>>323790938

What you are doing is becoming the bottom feeder of your society, who everyone not-as-lazy can take advantage of.
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>>323790938
Man, you never actually had homemade smoked venison, did you?
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>>323790957

If your house has no earthed sockets you need to call an electrician to install some man.
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>>323790938
>it's just there usually is a bundle thing I actually want
yep, that Palit GT 520 really is something you want, anon. Also, you can just buy the same parts of that prebuilt bundle, have that built by a boutique builder where the parts are available and pay much lower than ridiculous markups of bundled prebuilts.
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>>323788978
Fucking Windows. I got a laptop for studying reasons that came with W8. After making it look as much like W7 as possible it was fine. Then after a while, windows 8.1 came out. As soon as the shitty update was installed, the fans started sounding like a fucking jet plane. Complained to ASUS and the blamed windows. Complained to microsoft and they blamed ASUS. Later, I managed to go back to W8 and everything was fine again but then the system wanted to self update. I kept delaying until one day it just said "windows 8.1 will be installed in four hours or earlier if you want" with no option to decline. Haven't touched the piece of shit since and I seriously hope a better OS than windows comes along that's compatible with more than two games
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>>323790938
Life is more complex than building a PC anon.
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>>323790896
SteamOS is Linux. If you just want an authority to make your decisions for you you're not going to find that in the Linux world. That's a fact of life with a platform that no one entity can control and lock down.

OpenGL+SDL can already compete with DirectX, and Vulkan will definitely be on par since its D3D12's twin. The only issue currently is the quality of the ports. It would be interesting to see Gallium Nine ported to Vulkan and see games start to just use that as it would likely result in much better performance.
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>>323791053
are you trying to make the argument that everyone who doesn't learn about the skills which produce goods and services that improve their lives are bottom feeders of society, anon?

>my toilet is clogged, better go learn about plumbing
>I'm never buying bread again because I can make my own damn bread, I'm not a bottom feeder
>who needs a shower when I can make my own shower
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>>323791371
The fact that you are still stubborn about prebuilts while there is a cheaper alternative with no difference makes you an absolute bottomfeeder.
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>>323791371
Do you also buy premade sandwiches because spreading butter and opening the cheese packet is too difficult?
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>>323791040
No it wasn't, and its stupid to talk about an upswing in enthusiast hardware because sales of enthusiast hardware is not in decline.
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There is still no reason to replace a i5-3570k which is like 5 years old or some shit

>>323789651

About 2 years ago it was cheaper to buy a pre-built than buy all the parts myself in the UK. PC parts are a fucking joke here. That pre-built was for my friend, if I needed to replace my PC I'd be looking into a pre-built just on the off chance it's still the case
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>>323791517
And you decided to reply to that post with a statement that does not follow about how traditional desktops in decline (which is an obvious fact that everyone already knows here) instead of addressing the error in the post?
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>>323788383
Prebuilt or parts? Prebuilt should go down over time because building yourself is so easy and info just comes out to make it easier day by day.

That said there will be a HUGE upswing soon in higher end hardware with VR around the corner. Every oculus/etc bought means a PC purchased that's easily $1.5k+
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Hardware is evolving too fast compared to software.
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>>323791515
actually yeah, I usually buy sandwiches instead of making my own

I know how to make sandwiches, I used to be a cook by trade, but typically I'll just go to a deli or cafe or subway or whatever else is convenient at the time
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>>323791494
it's slightly more expensive but it means I get a sick warranty, a windows install and I don't have to shop around and do as much research about the parts

definitelyerino worth an extra 40-80 dollars
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>>323791728
Prebuilt is actually going to go up over time because long term the trend in the industry is towards single chip and single board computers. Home built systems aren't going to go away, but they're going to be much more of a niche market.

AMD's Zen/Polaris SOC with HBM for instance could cut the bottom of the GPU market out pushing the cost of enthusiast cards up even more.
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>>323790671
There are probably twice as many games for OS X, but that doesn't make OS X a viable gaming platform.
No amount of "Year of the Linux" will make Linux a viable gaming platform. The complete failure of Steam Machines has proven that once again.
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>>323792008
>extra 40-80 dollars
service fee you get from boutique builders

>x10 markups
markup you get from buying the shitty bundled pre-builts
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>>323792121
I go to a boutique builder you faggot, they sell prebuilts because there are a lot of people who just want to buy a whole computer and if you buy the individual parts it's either slightly more expensive or slightly cheaper (probably depending on their stock and whatever)
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>>323791371
This is literally the stupidest shit ever.

If you could make your own DIY 3d printer for $200 or had to buy a premade one for $2,000, which one would you choose? Right.

Unless you can't figure out how to do it yourself, you'd DIY it, which was the case for most of 3d printing's life and was significant savings if you wanted to get anywhere.

>>323792121
You still pay for the Windows install, and it's not like installing windows takes anything out of you. If it comes with a warranty that actually is worth the 40-80dollars IF it's a good warranty, most people don't even read it.

>>323792057
Anything prebuilt can be made by buying the parts and is going to be a lot cheaper. Compare any Dell, Asus, etc device with their parts raw price or just the equivalent and you will save hundreds of dollars. I built mine 3 years ago for $900 and it's the equivalent of a $1500 at the time. The one before that I built for $500 9 years ago and was playing games on high until this one.
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>>323789414
>Mother wants a new computer
>Asks me what I think about shitty prebuilt she's looking at
>Tell her I can build her a better computer for half the price
>Do it
>Couple months later my mother calls me up and tells me my aunt wants me to build her a new computer for $400 as well because 'Netflix is fidgety'
>Order the shit, put it together, bring it over there, her old shitty laptop is having a heart attack playing shit off netflix at like 3 FPS
>It's apparently been like this for months
>Set up her new computer and she's fucking ecstatic that and gives me $50 for my trouble
>Suddenly I'm getting calls from distant relatives who want me to build them PCs
>Realize I've become the dedicated family prebuilt computer distributer
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>>323791336

No, I want a standard to be chosen, and sadly that won't happen without an authority taking action to put one thing above the rest.

Nobody wants to develop for a fragmented pos like linux until ONE has enough users to make it worth it.
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>>323792063
Who has said that Steam Machines are a failure? Nobody expected them to launch and beat the PS4 overnight.

Also you're quite a bit off, OS X does not have twice as many games and the gap between them is closing rapidly as Linux gains ports of older titles with many newer titles being Windows and Linux only as a result of Apple's neglect of its 3D graphics stack. Vulkan coming to Linux and not OS X will give Linux an even larger advantage.

>No amount of "Year of the Linux" will make Linux a viable gaming platform.
The PS4's use of FreeBSD doesn't seem to be an impediment to its adoption as a gaming platform.
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>>323791371

Theres a middle road between convenience and practicality.

You choose convenience over everything because you are a lazy shit person.

Buying a bread takes 5 minutes, baking one takes over an hour - so clearly theres a huge difference there.

Learning how to build a pc once for 3-4 hours and then saving tons of money (money you'd have TO SPEND TIME EARNING at some point, but I assume you live on welfare at this point) and time by not being a total tard in the subject you are involved in, is not exactly the same.


Why is it so hard to admit you are a lazy person anon?
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>>323792591
it depends how difficult it seems to make a 3d printer and how much I want one

I could see myself spending $2000 on one if it's a hassle to make and I really wanted one
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>no reason to upgrade
>no one upgrades

>no one pushing graphics technology any more
>standing tech stagnates
>performance builds plateau

Thanks consoles.
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>>323792617
Starting charging more + tip if you are murrican
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>>323792851
anon, when you save money on something you still have to go into work and do your job which earns you more money

if you save money you'll just have more money, you don't get to buy your way out of your obligations with the $50 you saved building your own PC
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>>323792649
If that's all you want that standard has already been arrived at through consensus, Debian. Ubuntu, SteamOS, they're all Debian derivatives and the options are clear. Desktop user? Ubuntu. Living room entertainment system? SteamOS.

Also at least as far as gaming goes there is no relevant fragmentation of GNU/Linux the latest SDL and OpenGL is available everywhere. Unlike Windows where XP users could never go beyond DX9, and 7 users can never go beyond DX11.
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>>323792671
35 million people own PS4s and regularly buy games for it. If you can't tell the difference between a gaming platform and a handful of freetards who only play DOTA and haven't bought a video game in years, then please go hang yourself with an open source rope.
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>>323789214
>for less
Not everywhere. In countries like Romania, individual parts are often massively overpriced compared to prebuilt PCs.

Your argument would make more sense if the sales numbers were only for the US, but they're not.
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>>323793145
>games
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>>323793109


In the long term you can obviously.
But ofc you don't go for the long term if you cant even be bothered to save money in the short term.

The last skill I acquired lets me do my 8 hour job in 1-2.
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>>323789339
Jesus Christ this
Steam needs to cull 90% of the indie wank on their store, it's almost entirely newgrounds-tier shit that would've been free if it'd released 10 years ago and even then people would've shit on it for looking like a nostaligc reimagining of a NES game by someone who never played NES games
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>>323793142

We'll see what happens when DX12 is here.

Its not me the distro has to woo - its the people making my software and games.
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>>323788383

Because people don't buy pcs for gaming, they build them
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>>323793145
1% of users on Steam own 100+ games. Linux users are much more likely than Windows users to own 100 or more games. Developers wouldn't port games to Linux if they didn't sell.

X-Com 2 is coming to Linux, but not the PS4 or the Xbone.
Street Fighter 5 is coming to Linux, but not the Xbone.
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>>323788383
>Everyone's 5 years old rig can play nearly every game released in 2015.
Why upgrade? Also, the most played PC titles run on literal toasters.

>>323793145
>35million playstation owners buy games.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The playstation install base wont buy shit unless it's a must have AAA title with a solid fanbase of drones like Call of Duty or FIFA.
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>>323793171
Not only Romania. Pretty much the entire Europe is like this. You can find cheap components if you know where to look or when to buy though.
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>>323789840
You are not supposed to update your windows 7 anon. They won't force any updates on you.
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>>323792851
Let's just say it's a whole afternoon and it takes them a total of 6 hours to figure out, the savings on building a PC over buying a prebuilt is usually in the $100-200 range for most people.

To justify buying a prebuilt over just building your own 6 hours of your spare time must be worth more than the savings the prebuilt would get you. If you make more than $17-33 an hour a prebuilt is actually saving you money by not wasting 6 hours of your time on learning how to build a PC.
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>>323788383
Good.
Pre-builds should die.
They didn't show statistics for overpriced piece of shit like alienware and Origin but I hope they are on the decline too.
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>>323793560
No, actually they've stated that they will eventually do that.
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>>323788383
4 years of 28nm GPUs.
The most powerful GPU today is barely twice as powerful as the most powerful GPU from 4 years ago. On top of that it's more expensive.
That's why nobody is upgrading.
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>>323793542
If you're talking about sales, they're usually a joke here. The only time I've had any sort of luck was when I managed to snatch a G27 wheel for 50% of the usual price, and even that was a one-of, resealed item and not even n actual part. In the vast majority of cases they just raise the prices shortly before the discount periods.
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Because no one makes new stuff anymore. New releases are just meme games that sucks ironically.
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>>323792617

At least your mom pays you.

Everyone expects me to do it for free.

If I don't I get the whole "we've done so much for you" bullshit.
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>>323793508
>Linux users are much more likely than Windows users to own 100 or more games

Dat delusion
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>>323793669
Diminishing returns, anon. Either because it's not possible to or because it's not financially practical.

The glory days of seeing your graphics almost double every year are gone. It's a shame these fucking retards that experienced that will keep wanting it to return and say it's still possible, blaming consoles for stagnation while playing DOTA and CS:GO on the side.
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>>323793663
Unless you turn off updates and everything related to them. When I got a SSD I installed W7 ultimate 2010 build, it's in the exact shape it was before. No updates, nothing, silky smooth experience.
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>>323790128
This desu
>meme build with old generation i5, GTX 970 and any old shit mechanical HDD
>more power than market leading consoles for at least another half decade
>free to chuck an SSD in there at any point if you feel like it
No need at all to buy a fresh build any time soon
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>>323793508
Most Linux users in the Steam stats actually dual boot and play most of their games on Windows. No serious gamer would exclusively use Linux.
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>>323793742
Its not a delusion. Consider that a minority of Windows users are Enthusiasts while GNU/Linux on the other hand is essentially a platform that is essentially only for PC enthusiasts. The average Linux user has more games and has spent more money on games than the average Windows user.
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>>323793508
Where are you getting this information? It sounds like you pulled it out of your ass.
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>>323793614


Learning to build a pc is about 2 hours, every build from then on is 30 minutes
You get for this
>separate warranty on parts (you don't lose your entire pc when something shits itself)
>you are able to upgrade it as you wish
>its is most definitely better and more reliable
>savings are exponential - a good PSU, a good PC case will last 15 new builds if you wish


When you pay for a prebuilt, you are literally buying shit.
When you pay for them to build your parts together for you, you pay a hefty price for a single student's 20 minutes of work.
When you build yourself you can spend the money on yourself.

I'm not even telling you to do it - even though its easier than ever, please go on shitposting here and reading my fucking posts of all things, just don't act like you are making a smart decision by paying out the ass because you can't read a website for 2 hours, or follow a simple instructional video on youtube - even though reading websites and watching youtube vids is probably all you fucking do in your life.
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>>323793940
True, I've got a similar setup but I do my updates in bulk about once a year, I actually had an update that was very helpful for me the other day so I did them. Just ran Spybot Anti-Beacon after to kill all that extra shit.
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>>323793934
This year will see 16 and 14nm GPUs with almost double the performance of current chips.
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>>323793959
Steam stats count anyone who dual boots as a Windows user. The Linux stats are only the people who exclusively run Steam on Linux for gaming, or who maintain two accounts. If Steam would start counting dual-booters Linux use on Steam would see a decent bump.
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>>323793993
>The average Linux user

This is faulty reasoning.

Linux enthusiasts are also not gaming enthusiasts but programming enthusiasts and so on
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>>323794079
>double

You people will eat anything they tell you

When was the last time performance doubled in a single generation anon?
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>>323790574
My dad was one of the first people in the country to do a computer science degree. He got a first and became a maths teacher without ever working in the industry. He thinks this makes him qualified to disregard anything anyone says about computers even if it's directly relevant to a problem he's having.

In case you are unaware of how far computers have come since then, all his programming and project work was done on punch cards.
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My 3 years old PC runs every new games above console level and it wasn't even end of the line, I don't feel a need of upgrade at all. Also new hardware soon.
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>>323794163
Should have included 'On Steam'. As with Windows the majority of users aren't on Steam and the ones who are obviously are interested in games.
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>>323794259

Thats a stuck up thing to do though, my dad is aware and fine with the fact that I'm better with computers than he is.

I just don't get how someone who spent either working on or spending his freetime on computers every day for 30 years can never learn how to use them properly.
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>>323794079
And who is going make the games that benefit from this increase that also wont run on older machines? You're only looking at this from one angle. A huge chunk of the PC market isn't upgrading and publishers want wide audience games made so they can make the most possible profit. We wont see the full, effective use of these chips for another 4-6 years, especially at those high minimum buy-in prices.

I'll repeat myself. It's diminishing returns.
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>>323788383
I've been using pretty much the same toaster for about 10 years now and it still runs so I don't get a new one. Most people won't buy new shit if they don't have too.
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PC gamers tend to build PCs instead of buying them
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>>323794124
Stay delusional. Valve doesn't track your OS unless you participate in the hardware survey, which is a one time thing controlled by the user and doesn't even detect dual booting.
Linux gaming is a niche within a niche and will never be relevant

>>323794229
28nm to 14nm is a bigger jump than previous process improvements. Literally double the transistors on the same chip area.
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>>323794592
If that was ever true it hasn't been true for a long time. The majority of people playing PC games are doing so on laptops.
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>>323793678
Can't you buy from Amazon there? Just import components from Amazon.de, since maybe you can find them cheaper.
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>record decline
>still doubles all console sales yearly
Consoles are what really is on the decline. PC gaming is becoming more popular.
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>>323794657
> doesn't even detect dual booting.
Steam is more likely to present you a survey when you switch platforms. Linux users who dual boot to play games are detected as switching platforms and almost always presented with the survey on Windows.

>Linux gaming is a niche
No argument there, at least as long as we're clear that we're talking about desktop GNU/Linux.

>and will never be relevant
Niche markets can be incredibly relevant especially when they're enthusiasts with money.
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>>323794657

I'll simplify my point: theres no money in doubling your performance in a single generation, enjoy miniscule gains dripped to you yearly
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>He fell for the Pascal meme
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>>323788383
its because of economy crysis, and that it touched biggest PC markets like Russia, Germany, China etc
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>>323795387
In the GPU market there's still relevant competition, and as long as that's true there's still the possibility of performance leaps.

If AMD makes a comeback with Zen we might have that possibility in the CPU market again as well.
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>>323795520
Fucking LOL, really? Really, Nvidia? Wow. So Pascal is nowhere to be seen, hasn't been demonstrated, and Nvidia is still raving on about how great it's gonna be.
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>>323788383
There's no middle middle market anymore. If you don't do anything but type get a tablet, if you want a workstation get a mac or Linux build, people who game build their own pcs. Why would anybody buy a pre made desktop
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desu what's wrong with prebuilts today? Assuming you can select the parts you want in the build yourself, not building a pre-made from HP, or alienware or whatever then i don't see the issue. You can get it just as good as if you built it yourself.
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>people aren't buying shitty pre-builts anymore
what a shocker
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>>323788383
Are you fucking stupid? These are PRE-BUILT PCs.

No on buys pre-built garbage.
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>>323795718
AMD already demoed a fully working Polaris card and says they will be on sale before the Back to School season (before july).
Nvidia fucked up big time.
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>prebuilts
The only people who bought those are computer illiterates. They're using laptops, smartphones and tablets now.
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>>323795610

I give a better chance to the next gpu gen doubling in performance than to AMD pulling their head out of their asses, ever.
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>>323796296
How good is Polaris? I might just have to go AMD. I cheaped out on my build and bought a 750 Ti early last year instead of buying something good, with plans on buying something beefy whenever AMD or Nvidia releases their next generation of graphics cards.
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>>323796878
It will most likely be the biggest jump in a while thanks to 14nm process vs the current 28nm.
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>>323796878
This is /v/. For fortune telling you want /x/.
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>>323796120
sounds like the NCIX option and cyberpowerpc or whatever that site is that shills on twitch. Either way that still isn't really a prebuilt, just a custom tower with an assembling fee
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>>323791728
I think most common folk buy prebuilds and then slowly upgrade them over the years with new parts. At least that's what I try to do.
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>>323797162
This guy just told me AMD demoed a Polaris card and I wanted to know how well it worked. Fuck right off, faggot. Kill yourself.
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>gamesindustry.biz
>can't into PC gaming
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>>323789424
>My precious time

Most people just end up pretending they're not boring assholes and play skinner box apps.
That or not multitask at all on the computer.
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>>323797383
they demoed a low power chip abound the same performance level as a 950 but consuming less than half the power. They did not demo the actual high end parts

Nobody can predict performance of chips 6 months in the future, so stop asking
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>>323797657
That's literally all I wanted to know. Kill yourself, you loudmouthed little fag.
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