What's your excuse for not learning japanese?
Left is the "localized" (read: butchered) chrono trigger, right is a word-by-word translation
I complemented my english just by listening to tv series, videogames and music (for 15+ years) and the first time I was in a environment with people only speaking in english I was talking almost fluently only after two weeks
because apparently i'm stupid
I'm following this myself. I'm a few months in and it's going fairly well. I added some modifications and additional resources. Memrise is a pretty good phone app for learning and rehearsing new words, just be sure to choose a Japanese course that uses kana/kanji and none of that romaji stuff.
I had tried learning Japanese when I was younger, however the greatest mistake I've made was clinging to romaji. If you want to learn just focus on learning 100% of hira and katakana (don't skip on katakana since it's as useful as, if not more than, hiragana). After you can recognize effortlessly and flawlessly all kanas then you can move to grammar, vocabulary and kanji.
This is what I'm doing at least, to each their own.
I'm learning French instead.
the translations aren't particuarly great but they're usually much more faithful to the japanese.
And the good ones are better than both english and jap.
series that I didn't liked too much, I would watch them without subtitles only understanding like 50% at first. Cartoons are much better because dubbers speak much more clearly than live actors. That was after a few years of normal education of course.
Not that anon, but I also learned English from videogames (A lot of them) and tv shows. Listening was tricky with some English accents, but all in all I just watched shows without subs. It's weird because the first 5-10 minutes of the show you don't understand anything at all but then gradually your mind adapts and you start to understand everything without much of a problem. Obviously you need to be familiar with the language itself already, which can only happen through practice, good lessons, proper vocabulary, etc etc.
As a teenager I found out that a local bookstore had books in their native language (mostly English) and they were actually much cheaper than the translated books so I started buying those. I would read a whole book (around 400 pages) every week in English, at first it was very hard since most of my English was just highschool-tier and what you would get from videogames, but then I realized that my vocabulary grew significantly and I was much better than before.
Now I'm practically fluent in English and I even know it better than my native language (although I can't help having a bit of an accent when speaking, which is normal obviously).
I'm not learning another language if my only application for it is going to be playing old japanese SNES games, Ken-sama.
I have a language knob which is fucking annoying. Any language I watch for extended periods of time I learn automatically. Happened with English, French, German and now it's happening with Japanese.
yeah, while you study the language in a classroom (or something like duolingo) you'll probably listen to a bit of pronunciation to kickstart your brain, and after a while you'll be able to understand a bit of speach. Just grab one of those series you like but don't care about missing plot points sometimes and watch it without subtitles.
Hell the way I put it make it seems so simple I think I'm gonna dive in japanese. I think duolingo have english-jap learning, I'll probably start doing that.
Everyone is crying that the right is "cringe" but what exactly does that even mean?
Besides localizations made like the left side are pure cancer
Wanna know what "interpretation" leads to?
Remember back to the future when Marty gets called Calvin Klein because his underwear has CK written on it? Well in the italian version they say Levi Strauss, because apparently CK was too niche in Italy back then so they changed that
Which doesn't make any fucking sense!
Seriously fuck interpretation
I'm the same, I grew up in a rural part of my country which has like 4 different dialects. Growing up as a little kid with elders all around you speaking 4 entirely different languages plus your own country's language does that to your brain. I picked up English with so little effort, I remember my English teacher asking my parents if I had anybody in the family being a native English speaker because my level was way above that of my peers. In reality I just played a lot of games and picked up an impressive vocabulary for a 10 year old non-native kid.
Then I moved to another country to study and I've picked the language over there without much effort as well. The problem I have with Japanese is the different writing system which has always fascinated me so it's a greater challenge than a lot of other languages. This is why I like it. By watching a lot of anime and listening to Japanese podcasts I've already picked up a lot of words and grammar without actually studying any of that actively. It feels nice.
>learning an ENTIRE language
>for the SOLE PURPOSE of playing VIDEO GAMES
I don't think I can weeb that hard, anon.
Yeah I can almost kind of read newspapers in the language I'm learning but I get maybe 10% of what I hear.
I guess I'll figure out some TV show that interests me and marathon it.
I do it because I like languages. Being able to communicate with different cultures all over the world without language barriers feels good. Going to Japanese websites and feeling absolutely and utterly lost because of the language is a terrible feeling. That alone makes me want to learn it.
Plus I get to watch anime without subs, picking up a lot of inside jokes that are lost in translation. Also videogames.
If you don't like learning new languages then don't do it, nobody is forcing you.
why would knowledge/experience from other people invalid, or less valid than that of a licensed teacher just because they browse 4chan or another forum?
sure, going only with that one post is probably not the best idea, but it doesn't mean the info provided by anons can't be good.
if anything this place gives you tutos for shit you'd hardly find somewhere else, including how to be a thieving nigger.
>not already knowing a foreign language on account of being foreign
Granted in my country it's usual for school kids to have learned 3 languages by the time they finish high school so speaking a foreign language isn't that impressive.
>The mayor in this house likes adventures.
>Also, the treasure boxes that are in this house, the mayor left for the sake of adventurers. Take them with you without restraint.
That's some bad fucking dialog desu
having lived in an arab country for 4 years i never felt any drive to learn any of it. it honestly sounded so fucking ugly, and the "letters" are worse than fucking japanese.
are you learning it for business?
>managed to read middle completely
OP is part of the same retard group that wanted to re-write Chrono Trigger. Which is all well and fine but they wanted to change some shit for weeaboo reasons. For example they wanted to rename Frog to Kaeru. Guess what it means in Japanese?
Japanese grammar and pronunciation is easy as fuck though compared to French (and almost any other language out there).
Japanese is just hard because of the Kanji, hell both kanas are really easy once you spend a bit of effort in memorizing them. The real obstacle stopping Japanese from being the easiest language in the world is the fucking kanji.
Yes. Almost everyone can speak basic Arabic here (UAE), but very few foreigners can read/write. Being able to read Arabic documents is considered a plus, but you can get by without knowing any at all.
Never gets old.
They're among the easiest aspects of the language, and they exist solely to make your life easier. If you understood anything about the language, you'd know that ripping off the chink writing system was the best thing they ever did.
French grammar is literally english grammar through a broken mirror.
Here's a paragraph from a random french newspaper article with all non-grammar words translated:
The attack suicide perpetrated according to the Terkey par « a millitant de Daech [acronym arab de the IS] », tuesday 12 january à Sultanahmet, a neighborhood qui symbolizes the power past de the Empire ottoman ainsi que the opening du country au tourism foreign, marks a turning, a new strategy de the organization jihadist, entered en war open against the state turk.
Now do the same to a japanese article and you'll get complete giberish.
yeah, part of which i never had any drive to learn at all.
i mean, in the wealthiest parts (which are the interesting ones) you have english, but i get how knowing how to read arab documents is a plus, besides their english isn't the best, especially not with the indians and filipinos they bring over to work.
French grammar includes a shitton of verbs, the majority of which are irregular, which need to be conjugated in a different form depending on the tense, complex forms (like "en train de", etc etc, I forget how they are called in English) and the subject/object of the sentence.
In Japanese you get like what, 4-5 different rules for verbs that apply to 99% of them?
While the structure is similar to English (which is not a simple language), it doesn't mean much when you need to memorize a shitton of exceptions and irregularities in the first place.
I still have nightmare remembering the verb conjugation tests we used to have in school when I was learning French. Every week we'd be graded on how well we could conjugate two whole papers full of irregular verbs. Fucking Monday morning was the worst day of the week for three years straight. There's so much shit that is literal memorization without any obvious rule.
>They're among the easiest aspects of the language, and they exist solely to make your life easier
That's absolute bullshit and you know it. Yeah, they have a lot of homonyms. Yeah, we've been conditioned to find script with only kana ugly and childish. That doesn't detract from the fact that kanji are the only thing you simply can't learn naturally by interacting with the language. Any language that uses a phonetic alphabet can be picked up by listening, watching subbed shit and reading. With Japanese you can easily pick up on all of the spoken language and still be entirely unable to read until you've memorized thousands of symbols.
It's literally the only part of learning a language that actually requires effort. The rest is all fun. I don't think it's surprising at all that people would complain about it. The Japanese spend much, much more time at school learning kanji than I ever did learning both my native language and English. And what do they gain? They could technically read texts written in other dialects, something that's only useful in a country as large as China where the dialects are more than changing ありがとう to おおきに.
Now, I actually love kanji for the extra depth in literary expression they allow, but saying that they make anybody's life easier is bullshit. Please give me some concrete examples as to how someone's life is made easier thanks to kanji. Excluding artificial character limits like twitter, please.
>Why bother learning the lingua franca?
>Why not learn the language of a hyper xenophobic isolated island country because you really like lame video games and cartoons for children
Is this bait, or just retarded weeaboo faggotry?
I legit cannot imagine why anyone would think right is better, this is the same shit that kept coming up for the FFXIV localization which was legitimately better than the actual source material, but retarded weebs kept whining that it wasn't translated word for word.
I like kanji and I still agree with what this guy said. Kanji are poetic and fascinating, but they are a massive pain in the ass if I just want to fucking learn the language for something useful.
90% of verbs fall into 3 perfectly regular groups.
90% of the remainder follow a 5 stem system perfectly, and most fall into more obscure grops.
fuck, EVERY verb follows the 5 stem thing outside of the present tense.
pronouns just go before the noun, wtf. they don't conjugate for object either.
Left is stilted, unclear, awkward, and is no way how that particular character from that game world would talk. Nor is it how that character was intented to talk.
A little bit of rearranging of few words fixes the right but the left is a hopless, ambiguous mess. It sounds just like all translated games of the time did where large and informative text strings were dropped for short, robot-sounding, context insensitive ambiguous shit like the left.
You can keep the things you find here? Where? Why? Why are you suddenly talking like a retard with half-thoughts that sounds in no way how a person in that character's position would speak to someone like you.
What bothers me the most in the left text is the exclamation mark, honestly. Everything else is passable. Last sentence could be reworked a bit.
I think they really overdid the exclamation mark thing in Chrono Trigger. I've always wondered why half the characters in that game felt like ADHD-riddled NPCs when I was a kid. Now I know, it was the localization.
How can a single human being be this illiterate yet so vocal?
>You can keep the things you find here
You're a literal retard if you struggle to comprehend the meaning here, you're so far down dumb alley you forgot what the road looked like.
No anon, it was you being autistic. Not even joking here, getting this bothered by punctuation even as a child means there is something wrong with you, and it's called autism.
Who said anything about being bothered. I just found it extremely weird. Especially because English wasn't my native language so it led me to believe that everybody in English countries spoke in an overly-excited manner.
You know punctuation is supposed to have a meaning when reading sentences and I wasn't oblivious to that as a kid.
>learning languages that you won't use almost every day
What is the point? You are just gonna forget them a year later. You never stop learning a language. Pretty much as soon as you stop using it you unlearn something.
>Who said anything about being bothered
>I just found it extremely weird
Yes anon, that second sentence is essentially you being "bothered" you fucking nob.
>I jumped to ridiculous conclusions because I'm a retard
Seriously how the fuck can you say the things you do and still not realize you're an idiot?
>Hurrr durrr punctuation is supposed to have a meaning!
Yes thanks captain obvious, any more nuggets of wisdom you'd care to share while acting like a deranged nut?
I've always wanted to learn vodka. It's high up on my list of languages to learn. The feeling of being able to communicate with your Russian teammates in CSGO can really lead you to victory instead of a painful shouting game.
been think very heavy on learning, the amount of doujins, mangas and games I'd be able to play would expand considerably, plus its a bônus to the portfolio
anyone here know how hard is it? already hav e some /int/ guides
Having said this, I will also say that ALL translations are worse than the originals, it's not just Jap-Eng, it's something deeper than that.
A writer chooses words not just for their meaning but for their nuances as well, and that's almost always lost in translation.
Just deal with it it's not thatb ad.
I really wish you would print that post you just made and put it next to your computer screen so you wake up tomorrow morning, waddle to your battlestation and re-read it so you can realize how retarded you sound.
I'm not even going to bother, you sound extremely triggered by harmless conversation. Take a break, man.
How do you guys discipline yourselves to actually practice every day? I started (for the 3rd time) learning Japanese a few weeks ago, studied and learned Hiragana in 3 days but then I just lost my impetus.
I kept thinking "why would I waste like one hour practicing and studying if I can just play/read/watch x?". Fucking lack of discipline.
Uhuh, what an appropriately childish comeback, nothing but vapid claims and ridiculous fantasies.
You're a joke, anon, and nobody is laughing. Children at least have the potential of maturing, and learning that acting in the manner that you do is entirely absurd. You however? You've become entirely hopeless, what a god damn mess.
What's with beginners and losing their shit every time they see a translation that isn't a literal word for word one?
I do all of that already, it's why I want to learn the language. I actually know basic spoken japanese, but I can't be arsed to keep practicing and memorizing all the different characters.
I WANT to, thou.
i did it guys.
i moved to japan, learned the language, got a japanese girlfriend who screeches like a banshee during sex, and work at a shit tier japanese job (not english teacher)
it's all worth it for the games.
Going thrugh the 2k/6k optimised setwith anki right now, 55 days in, 20 new cards per day.
I'll have been through all in 8 months. I'm already starting pick up words when watch indonesian moving pictures, i remember being at that stage with english ~one and a half year before not needing subtitles anymore. I'M SUPER HYPED
Japanese writing is shit anyway, why would I bother
They gotta invent reasons to feel like spending all that time is actually worth it I suppose.
You know, since most people learn a language because they have to. Not because they want to.
Make x in japanese.
No english subtitles.
As long as you understand SOMETHING it counts as studying. Go look up the input hypothesis.
if you're not at the point where you're getting anything you'll just have to study.
There's a difference between learning a language and taking classes, taking classes prepares you for taking tests, not for using an actual language.
The failure of highschool education in that regard should not be taken as the median in how learning languages works.
Take it slow.
A common mistake is to want to learn everything all at once and then get burnt out.
When I started with kana I would just learn 5 every day. I know I could have probably learned much more than that, but I just limited myself with 5. I would do my lesson, practice writing them 50 times each on my notebook (good for memorizing) and then re-reading/reviewing the old ones to see if I was missing something or not. It would take me at most ~20 minutes everyday and it would always leave me with "man I wish I could do a bit more today, but I'll save it for tomorrow". This meant that every day I would want to learn just a little bit more. Baby steps.
When you get comfortable with kana and you want to learn more, go with memrise and a good starting vocabulary course that doesn't rely on romaji. Memrise is a nice phone app similar to Duolingo (which unfortunately doesn't have Eng -> Jap), you can set daily practice at a specific time every day and the app will remind you to take your lesson. You can spend 5 minutes or 30 minutes or whatever, depends how much you want to do, learning new words and reviewing old ones. I wouldn't recommend doing more than 30 minutes every day though, as I said you can burn out easily.
Even just by lurking around here you can find a lot of weeb posters with weeb images that have the occasional kanas and kanji, I always stop and try to translate those as my daily "unexpected" practice. Maybe go visit a few beginner Japanese news websites and practice here and there. It helps to have some friends who are also learning to motivate each other too.
I don't agree. They're all different from the originals, and I think it's worth prioritizing the original over translations, but it's technically possible that a translator is simply a better writer than the original writer. They can even misinterpret things and somehow end up with a better work. It's unlikely, but there's no reason it couldn't happen.
Two more months is all i needed for that particular issue.
There's no secret, you just need to listen and listen and lsiten until all those different accept and mumbled messes and stuff start to make sense.
I'm a professional Japanese to English translator and to be honest, both sides of this image have their strengths and weaknesses.
Of course the left side seems like someone took the basic idea of the Japanese script and entirely rewrote it, something endemic to this era of Super Nintendo games. This is both a bad thing and a good thing, in that it can add a lot of "charm" (certain manner of speaking for certain characters, accents, etc.) that wouldn't be present in a direct translation of the original, but at the same time isn't really "true" to the original vision of the game.
The right side, while accurate in a direct translation sense, contains some very unwieldy phrases like "Take them with you without restraint" and "the mayor of this house" that serve little more than to pull you out of the game and make you realize you are reading a translation.
>How do you guys discipline yourselves to actually practice every day?
I don't. I only learn kanji on the train to uni.
That said, I run into a lot of Japanese just browsing the internet, so there's a lot of incidental practice. I also listen to seiyuu radio shows as listening practice, though to be fair listening was already my strong point.
The translation on the right is absolutely awful. Clearly done by a total amateur.
The one on the left attempts to localise and shorten the dialogue, because Japanese is about twice as fast as English. It's not great work, but it's miles better than the right.
Heh, the left is the one sounding cringy to me.
I mean, it's obviously supposed to be the mayor's assistant, so why would she talk like an overexcited retard ? Maybe she got the job by sucking his cock ? I don't take her seriously.
The right one is business-like, and information-heavy. This is a good assistant for the mayor, wasting neither her's or the visitor's time..
They love the fuck faced minutiae of stilted and inorganic raw translations over pig disgusting english because they're fucking weebs.
Authentic japanese wording only desu!
>be a teenager
>reading fantasy books because fantasy books were the shit
>end up accidentally downloading a book I've already read except it's in English and not translated
>start reading the intro
>the main character picks up an injured chipmunk from the ground
>"mm.. weird... I don't remember this scene"
>fish up translated book from my bookcase
>it's a bird in the translated book
This triggered me so hard I started reading everything in the original language if I knew it. I really got so pissed at that one translator, it's not even an important detail in the story but who knows what else was mistranslated or completely fucked over. Incidentally it's what led me to be more interested in languages in general.
>t it's technically possible that a translator is simply a better writer than the original writer
Virtually impossible. If he were a better writer he wouldn't be a translator working for peanuts.
If you have an example to prove what you're talking about then please post it, it would be very interesting to see it.
dumping my atomic bomb folder
fuck off weebs
Who says a translator can't also be a writer? Translation job is what brings the majority of the money to the table before you "make it big" (if you do). It's a totally viable and stable job compared to being a writer which is more independent and risky.
>>The right one is business-like, and information-heavy.
No, it's incredibly poorly translated.
The original text is miles away from business-like, and the same information is conveyed in both translations.
I wish we hadn't stopped at two bombs.
>Who says a translator can't also be a writer?
I know translators personally and they are keyboard monkeys, not writers.
I don't know of a single book, movie, game, comic, anything at all, where the translation is better.
>The right one is business-like, and information-heavy
No, it's rather casual speech, since, you know, she is talking to kids. It's just that Japs use very long phrases just because they can
Some people like translating. Maybe some writer even ran into something he thought more people needed to read or something.
I've seen some Dutch and German translations of the Aeneid that, in my opinion, actually rival the original. I wouldn't quite dare say they're better but it's pretty damn impressive. It seems perfectly possible for something to just be more well-written. There are tons of shit writers, though obviously Vergilius isn't one of them.
Don't change the 20 per day ratio, two months in i'm at ~180 cards per days.
I mean, you could raise it, but doing it 3 hours a day is probably going to demotivate you, rendering the whole endeavor pointless as you'll stop.
Slow and steady wins the imouto.
You did it, anon!
You're finally living the dream! よくやった!
yes, yes. we've all seen grave of the fireflies.
been there, done that. hearing pig-ugly japanese business men saying "i'm....えーと...i'm sureepy" in response to how their day has been starts to take a toll after the thousandth time.
pay was the best of any of the jobs ive done here tho (not that that's saying much)
mfw some annoying weeaboo tries to talk about anime near me
Maybe you're right after all, but you'd have to find an actual writer willing to translate the work. I would be impressed if any of today's profit-centered companies put in the effort to hire a good writer for the translations.
>2015 + 1
>thinking any weeb or slant-eye is going to admit Nanking happened
The chinese "people" had to whine because the based south african apartheid regime didn't automatically assume they were human. Kekking Every Kek
Maybe one day someone else than african will do genocides.
Maybe an Europe turned fascist thanks to the "refugees" ?
It would be nice to kill all the subhumans in muslim countries so that their land could be used by humans.
Did I mention that weeaboos and nips should be destroyed?
My one Japanese buddy was talking about this one chick he was trying to sleep with. She seemed down, and he said "Im gonna fuck her harder then great-grandpa fucked Nanking."
Whole new realm of savagery.
Oh, wishing for the slaughter of subhumans is edgy now ?
Maybe your one of their apologists that'll need to share their fate too.
Thankfully, this is the social media era, which is archived. Don't even try to delete your treacherous posts on the facebook and twitter and whatnot, it won't change your fate, my friend.
You're leaving out all of the rape. You know, the reason they fucking call it the rape of nanking?
You know they did more than just hang around at Nanking.
An estimated 17,000,000–22,000,000 Chinese civilians died as a direct cause of the Second Sino-Japanese War due to famine and other causes.
You're just as bad as a weeb. Shut the fuck up, edgelord. I think reddit would be a better place for you.
The only true subhumans are the Japanese.
>americans are still mad that the only thing they gained from winning WW2 is their country becoming a non-white shithole
Why are the Japs so cruel? It's like they have the combined savagery of Africa and Islam combined.
>Mow down everyone universally, without discriminating between young and old, men and women, clergy and the laity—high ranking soldiers on the battlefield, that goes without saying, but also the hill folk, down to the poorest and meanest—and send the heads to Japan.
Ethnocentrism is the only viable longterm strategy.
Killing all and then settling is the best way to gain new lands permanentely.
The death of tolerance is not a question of if, but when.
It is. But it's also the most inhumane way. And I'm not some edgy teenage fedora kid. So I like to think genocide is generally a bad thing.
I wouldn't want anyone to go out and beat an old lady to death to get her pocket change. And I wouldn't want anyone to perform genocide for some shitty farm land.
So you would rather let subhumans take your lands?
What you want is irrelevant to what is successful.
The liberal application of force is successful.
Why do you think the western world dominate, for inventing the human rights, you filthy nigger ?
I am sorry to scare you, but you need to accept reality for what she is, not what you want her to be.
Well, you can ignore reality, for a relatively long time too, but one day you will pay, with interest.
No. I'm all for restricted immigration. I just think people should you know, stop being so fucking greedy and build up a nice thing on their own plot of land before raping their way across another, leaving us instead with two shitty plot of lands.
I'm saying, what is the point of the success if you have to be a psychopath to enjoy it?
tfw had to learn a language in college, choose Japanese because grammar was easier than spanish.
tfw told japanese would be useless unless I worked in japan
tfw I actually use japanese for my job in the U.S
So OP argues that I should learn Japanese so I can get more redundancy? Nice try faggot.
Because the left side is totally fine, both information and dialogue wise.
Pic related, it's what OP desperately wants to be.
Securing the future of your people by gaining more lands and making sure no competitors are in it is the most moral thing you could do.
Anything else is accepting your kin slowly die.
I am sorry to tell you that if you are ok with oblivion being the fate of your kin, then you are a failure. Having the moral high-ground will not change your fate, only accepting reality and doing what needs to be done.
Your disbelief is to be expected.
This doesn't work in a human generation's timeframe.
Either europeans rise in this century, or will become extinct except maybe in the blood of mongrels.
Please note that you have only good feelings and insults to support your argument.
I have History and scientific models.
Maybe you should try to change that.
Jesus christ why can't you just write like you aren't fucking retarded? Even if I were to agree with you, I'd be embarrassed that someone I agree with talks like a fucking messianic cultist.
>Learn 5000 kanji characters because muh tradition even though we still mix with hiragana and other shit
>Learn something that's actually useful and doesn't make me even more of a weeb
You seem to believe all people share your point-of-view.
You are mistaken.
You will pay, with interest.
Or maybe you do not care ? After all, when i say "you", i meant your descendants. But it's not going to affect you so #YOLO, right ? ;^)
>What's your excuse for not learning japanese?
Too much work just to play a video game. There's like a billion games in English. There's no need to learn Japanese. If the Japanese don't have a game localized, then they never cared to market it to me anyhow. And so I won't be playing it. Simple as that.
To be honest I'd totally become a street if it were possible.
Thinking that all people on Earth are your friends is an incredibly stupid way of looking at things.
If I could choose between helping my neighbour bring his groceries in, and saving a million starving African babies for the same effort, I'd choose the neighbour, every time. He has more in common with me. He's far less likely to rape a baby when he's older to "cure" AIDS. His life has a minor impact on mine, as opposed to zero impact. He probably shares at least some of my values. There are more than a million reasons I'd help him out, and no reasons to help the monkey babies.
>finally become a street
>your dream finally came true
>one year later, a proimmigration mayor gets in
>five years later the white flight start
>ten years later the city is 90+% "minority"
>you are in complete disrepair
>and in complete despair
>you saw things no one should see
>let alone a cute little street like you
Not that guy, text with only kana does look ugly to me, but I honestly think that might be more to do with conditioning than anything else. It would save everyone a lot of time and effort if they didn't have to learn thousands of kanji readings.
>It would save everyone a lot of time and effort if they didn't have to learn thousands of kanji readings
You'd have to learn them anyway ass part of your vocabulary, I'd rather have a single ideogram to help me remember what is what than just the pronunciation, since they are all extremely similar. Just how many things could せい mean in a compound?
That would be true if you could never see the million African babies. But this is a global world, they are your neighbours too.
Do you even consider other race members as human beings ?
You wouldn't have to learn anything at all, you'd just pick up phrases as you interact with the language, just like any other language.
I learned my native language this way, I learned English this way, I learned Latin and German this way and I certainly learned listening and speaking Japanese this way. The only thing I'm having to force myself to learn are kanji.
Because you want to live in a world where you can count on the help of others as well. This is how societies are formed. Just because an individual is born somewhere else due to no fault of their own, does not mean he can't act the way one of your group could.
If he doesn't while near your group, sure, punish him according to your rules. However, don't punish him for the things he had no choice in, because you wouldn't want to be punished for things you had no choice in either.
You're mixing the idea that because someone is from your group, they are an automatic benefit to you, and that people outside your group are a danger or harmful by nature of not being in your group.
Your entire argument is flawed because there can be (and definitely are) people from your group who are actively causing you more damage than the millions outside your group who aren't.
One person on welfare in your group is more damaging to your situation than a million of black babies who don't actively affect you.
Likewise, a helpful individual from another group is a greater benefit to you than a dozen regular people from your group.
basically you're an idiot who colludes race and ethnicity with an unquantifiable inherent virtue or disadvantage.
Behaviour is genetic.
Empathy is genetic.
One look at subhuman nations is all you need to understand that cooperation is not on their agenda, and so trusting them to help you in the future is insane.
There is no other adjective. Insane, completely batshit insane.
>But this is a global world, they are your neighbours too.
No, they aren't. Some people in civilised countries, sure. Hell, I could stretch to saying the child labor in China is my neighbour. But Africans? They do nothing.
Well, it's not like they didn't try to replace kanji, but they didn't find a way that worked well enough. Also, it's part of their language, bitching about kanji is as asinine as complaining about the inconsistencies of English pronunciation
>Behaviour is genetic.
Not solely. In fact, it's unlikely to be very major considering how blacks from successful families don't actually tend to succumb to the "nigga moment".
>Empathy is genetic.
Not solely. Argument.
So much this. Especially if you consider how hostile and morally fucked up a lot of smaller communities and villages end up being.
You think your neighbours are much better people than some group of people the other side of the world? You probably have never grown up in a rural as fuck small village in the countryside being judged by literally everybody and everyone where the majority of the villagers are uneducated dumbfucks without showing any ounce of progress.
There is a reason why the most prosperous cities and ancient empires in the world have grown so, it's because of immigration and influence of multiple cultures. Pollination of universal knowledge is literally what we should be striving for rather than killing each other due to minor and irrelevant xenophobic differences and slippery slope arguments.
Being honest, it sounds like you personally have a problem with races and you're ascribing this to be a genetic or inherent fault rather than coming to terms with your trauma/prejudice.
It's okay to be a racist, because niggers and mudlsimes are generally violent, but please understand that you should look at people as individuals before cataloguing them into your world views.
There doesn't have to be one. Even if different races react differently to the same environment, a decent environment has been shown to often generate decent children. Even if those children are black and thus react slightly differently to white ones, they react decently enough to be considered human.
Statistics also say that if I eat a whole chicken and you eat none every day, we both eat half a chicken every day.
Statistics are good if you want to study a trend, but you can't apply statistics for individuals and single occurrences.
This is a very common and unfortunately dangerous mistake that uneducated people who don't know how to read statistical data usually make. It's similar to reading clickbait articles on facebook and then parroting everything to your friends as if they were facts. Everyone will just think you're a retard and you'd just attract other retards like yourself and form an echo chamber.
Their environment is shit because they are shit.
You can enact any "no broken windows" or "no child left behind" policies you want, trying to solve the symptom won't solve the problem, putting a bandaid on an open fracture won't heal your leg, trying to unsubhuman a subhuman won't unsubhuman it.
Statistics can be controlled for various factors.
Socioeconomical is a very common one.
IQ, PISA, crime, anything you want, race ends up being the important variable.
You are very fond about implying your opponents are infants. I hope this is not projection, 4chan is not for minors you know.
But we have literally unsubhumaned many subhumans. You have no way to explain all the decent negros that don't do anything wrong because they were brought up with decent values.
You're so xenophobic and belligerent that your language is leaking bruh.
I know very well how statistics works and how it can be applied, but you can't say that every black person is an uncultured nigger simply because "statistics" show that black people on average are worse than white people. You should treat an individual and fellow human being as just that. He's an individual person. Just assuming he's going to be a piece of shit simply makes you an ignorant racist retard who can't figure out statistics don't make people.
You do not seem to know what outliers are, as you keep bringing them up as if they were relevant.
Applies to you too apparently.
I would but Japanese as a language takes way too long to pick up.
I don't have the motivation to study for years and years only to be at best conversational when I'd only be using the language for the luxury of video games and anime.
You're better off learning more practical languages that have actual use in your local life.
No, you have no idea what outliers are. To look at the effects of environment in negros we would have to compare the ones that grew up in a poor environment with the ones that grew up in a decent one. These are two different statistics and you can attempt to conclude something from the difference.
If we say "most negros in a poor environment grow up to be shit", the outliers in that case would be the ones that grew up in a poor environment yet are still decent. If we say "most negros grow up in a poor environment", the outliers would be the ones that don't grow up in a poor environment. However, that statistic doesn't help us determine anything regarding the effect of environment on being a decent person, so it's irrelevant.
I guess it was pointless indeed, as you keep spouting your baseless rhetoric and argue semantic like some kind of sociologist.
We'll see how the future will unfold, whether you traitors will be allowed to remains in our genepool or not.
The silver lining is that indulging in your nature will make sure your kind become extinct in the long run. Maybe we do deserve extinction ?
Still though, i would like to try genocidal fascisme and death squad targeting subhumans and their apologists. Maybe we can be saved from ourselves, we need to try least give it a try.
I already pointed out that statistic can be controlled for socioeconomic status. This post applies to you, too, again.
>We'll see how the future will unfold, whether you traitors will be allowed to remains in our genepool or not.
You know, you keep talking about making the world better etc etc, but the #1 point of having these conversation for both parties is trying to convince the other to their point of view and win them over as a potential ally in the future.
That is what you should be trying to do when presenting your facts. You want to convince me to agree with you and follow you, however as >>323795101 this guy said, your language, your choice of words and your way of speaking are literally pushing me away from it. Even if I were originally agreeing with you I'd probably reconsider my point of view in order to not look like a psychotic cultist as you seem to be right now.
Please reconsider your life choices and be a bit more self-conscious in the future, you're literally hurting "your cause" much more than so-called "subhuman negroes" are.
>all these mental gymnastics to try and justify your racism
Anon nobody gives a shit if you hate niggers in a forum where the words nigger and faggot don't even mean anything anymore.
Because there is so cheap way to properly learn and practice the language. I won't buy that Rosseta Stone shit rip off and I can't afford $50 an hour classes 2 days a week. If they offered in in schools here in California, maybe I'd take a college course for it, but if I have to spend a million dollars to learn a language I'll never get to practice, then fuck it. I'll just keep having my weeb dreams of learning Japanese, moving to Japan, and having a qt3.14 Japanese wife.
>I already pointed out that statistic can be controlled for socioeconomic status
>Statistical evidence seems to point to the contrary.
Unless they're your statistics. Very clever.
There's literally a bajillion free resources online and a massive community of weebs like
uson the internet who are learning or want to learn Japanese. You don't have to pay a dime.
>How else would a fucking spider know how to spin a web? Nobody teaches these fuckers how to do it, they just do it
So why do you think that if you paint a spider a different color it will behave in a different way? Your arguments are literally contradicting each other.
>thinking you can learn properly without bonafide books and manuals with a professional teacher
I don't want to learn Kanji from some weeb on the Internet who may not know proper context for words, correct pronunciations, and how to speak coherent sentences. If there is video proof of someone learning using /a/ sources who goes to Japan and can start up a conversation using not so common topics and words without trouble, I'll give it a shot. If it's just gonna let me read menus and ask for a restroom, then it's a waste of time. I either want to learn it completely, or not at all.
Most of the sources linked and given here and in djt threads on /a/ are resources used in actual Japanese courses and even by Japanese kids learning the language.
I'm not sure what you really think language is, but if you have the resources and the will to actually learn it, you don't need to pay somebody money. Just remember to cross reference and verify the sources so you can be sure what you're learning is accurate. It doesn't take a genius. Everything else can always be fixed with experience.
You're being ridiculous. Lots of /a/spies have learned Japanese just fine. They're elitist enough to complain about the djt if anything is wrong with it.
Hell, if you really don't want to follow anybody that isn't a native's advice, here, go check out this channel after you've learned some basic shit. Learn Japanese in Japanese.
Someone asking money for something doesn't automatically mean that they're good at it. If you really want to, buy the books djt recommends instead of pirating them.
No, but if someone starts talking about something that's not brought up in every day conversation or uses words that aren't used every day, I don't wanna look like a fucking idiot asking what every other word means. Then you just look stupid. If you can't, at the very least, keep up with a high school graduate, you need to learn more and should have had a proper class to show you more advanced words and how they are used in a conversation.
>No, but if someone starts talking about something that's not brought up in every day conversation or uses words that aren't used every day, I don't wanna look like a fucking idiot asking what every other word means.
How are you supposed to learn if you never ask questions or act interested in the process of learning?
You can learn the basics, the grammatical rules, sentence composition and most common vocabulary, but after that you need to keep using the language yourself and keep learning by reading and writing and whatnot. I learned English as a second language by learning the basics and then reading a shitton of books with a dictionary right next to me so I could look up words and now I speak/write a much better English than a lot of natives I know and talk to every day. You don't need a teacher or to pay somebody to teach you as long as you really want to learn.
>Then you just look stupid
The only way to learn to speak properly is to be stupid for a while. What do you think speaking class is going to be like? You'll learn as you go. I took 4 years of french and german and I can't speak them at all. I took 0 years of japanese but thanks to immersing myself in the language from my bedroom I can actually speak it.
It also helps that Japanese pronunciation is much more straightforward, simpler and more immediate than both French and German. Maybe it's because I'm Italian and we also pronounce the words as you read them so the pronunciation/writing is 1:1, but Japanese is really a simple as fuck language to speak.
You think a class is going to teach you that shit? If anything, a class will be about 5 to 10 times SLOWER at teaching you anything. It's absolutely the worst possible way to learn a language.
>OP doesn't understand how synonyms work
>thinks computer translation is what "literal translation" means
It's not complicated but awkward and stiff you fuckwit. Reminds me of the stuff I wrote on my first pass translating latin.
Don't get so hurt just becaise many on vee dislike your translation.
I've started it in september, its far less intimidating than I thought it would be, and can understand many things already. I can't grow overconfident though before kanji bites me in the ass