We will never see another Smash-less EVO, will we?
Why would we? The game is responsible for a huge boost in EVO viewership, attendance, and participation.
That being said, I really hope there's no Melee this year. If there's no SFIV, there should be no Melee (there will be, though).
fgc is literally a bunch of wannabe thugs that can't even get rid of a bunch of white kids. they hate smash but can't band together to get rid of it from their biggest tourney. stop talking and starting doing something to get rid of smash
>That being said, I really hope there's no Melee this year. If there's no SFIV, there should be no Melee (there will be, though).
There's no SFV because a suitable competitive replacement is coming out next year nigga. Smash hasn't had a new competitive entry since Melee. They're not just rainlessly using the latest entry in series', they take into account the competitive community of the games as well as their popularity with audiences considering EVO is a business.
>tfw you want to compete but you're bad at fighters and dont even know a local scene that isnt 4-5 hours away and/or isnt smash
>believing this shit when Tekken 7 gets a free pass when there is literally no access to the game outside of two cities
>two NRS games
>Mario Kart DS because sponsors wanted a racing game
Melee will get cut if Nintendo doesn't cut a check to keep it in
>Melee will get cut if Nintendo doesn't cut a check to keep it in
Like they never have?
>EVO will cut a game that makes them a shit tonne of money
Failed business 101 did ya? That's okay sport.
depends how long you think melee is sticking around because everyone knows nintendo cant make something that isnt targeted towards either adults with clinical autism or 5 year olds
I feel like that's not exactly comparable. Most players are going to move from SF4 to SF5, Melee and Smash 4 are pretty much two different communities, there's actually not much crossover between the two.
I'd rather we don't.
Smash doesn't need Evo or the FGC. They have other majors, plenty of support, a fuckton of their own sponsors and venues.
All Smash does is crowd out people who want to participate in and watch games that aren't Smash and starve games that need Evo to fucking survive.
And it wouldn't be as bad if there weren't fucking two of them
Uh, no. Melee has never ever gotten any help from Nintendo competitively. It's always been community based advancement. Nintendo even wanted Melee pulled from EVO 2013 you absolute nigger. Nintendo didn't jump 180 onto the sponsorships until it came time to start promoting Sm4sh in 2014.
Why do people who have no idea what they're talking about try to talk about things?
I didn't say it wasn't, I'm just saying Smash existing at Evo is a major drain on games with communities that are on life support that would have an honest chance at coming back if not for Smash.
The only reason Smash is at evo to begin with has everything to do with insecure sections of the community demanding to be acknowledged by "real" fighting game players and nothing to do with promoting the Smash scene because Melee's community is as big as it's ever going to get and they all hate Smash 4.
>just lost my football team
>smash is still on evo
>am going to be kicked out my parents house soon and don't have enough money to rent any apartments in the nice side of stl
This day can't get any worse for me
God, I can barely remember the dawn of SFIV. Hell, only GF I remember that far back is 2010 and that's just because Adam Sessler didn't know shit about the game and was commentating.
>Endgame Ultra Elena Evil Ryu IV: Featuring Rolento from the Final Fight series
It's going to be
Some other anime fighter
Capcom will be kikes and there will be no SFIV so people don't see how dumbed down SFV is in comparison.
MKX, KI and P4A are the most tentative games from last year. Also, if marvel was not published by capcom and was just some anime game it would be cut immediately from the list
And they're the same people who have been playing the game for the past decade for the most part.
The Smash community is relentlessly autistic when it comes to people not playing Melee.
>EVO viewership, attendance, and participation.
Yeah and if EVO started allowing League of Legends it would see a massive boost as well.
Thing is, its not a fighting game and neither is smash.
Am I missing something? How does this confirm smash at all?
That being said, I'm a huge Smash fan (both Melee and Smash 4, love them both) but I'm also a big traditional fighting game fan. I would prefer is Smash isn't at EVO anymore.
I think the competitive scene in Smash is very stale and boring, especially compared to something like Street Fighter. Let's be real here, in Melee, the same group of 5 guys (honestly 4 since Mewtwo King hasn't won anything in forever) has won just about everything for the last 5 years. In Smash 4 everybody knows it's going to be ZeRo or Nairo.
Smash is more about grinding than it is actual skill which is why you see the same people winning all the time in Smash 4 and Melee, since they can put the most time into it. You see more varied result in a more skill based game like Street Fighter since it's more based on your ability to react to what your opponent is doing as opposed to grinding out specific kill set ups and edge guards like in smash.
Besides, Smash has Genesis, Apex, Big House, CEO, and now Dreamhack. It doesn't need EVO anymore.
>Thing is, its not a fighting game and neither is smash.
But Smash is a fighting game.
Did you mean it's not a Street Fighter clone?
It doesn't seem like the EVO organizers agree that EVO is only supposed to be Street Fighter clones then. So if you want to be butthurt about it, why don't you direct your anal blood gush at them?
MKX is coming back because of WB money and MS is really pushing KI hard. They got the KI cup at the end of this month with more prize money than capcom cup, optional simplified combo ender inputs for beginners, Season 1 with all costumes and cosmetics is free for gold this month, and Season 3 is going to be playable at pax south, and of course its coming to PC
W10 exclusive :^)
if it doesnt perform well this year it probably wont be back on the mainstage
Are you me?
Smash is everywhere where I live.
I don't mind Smash but fuck, I want to play SF.
>mfw Samsho Player
Evo's shit anyway now.
Capcom Cup was a way better event for SF and the other games all have their own majors that are way more interesting than Evo. Sidestreams were way more hype than main stage this year.
Maybe if we brought back real fighting games to the main stage like Tekken and KoF then it'd be fun to watch again.
Melee is by far the more popular one, so if they wanted to cut one ( they won't ) it would be sm4sh.
Also I think they mentioned they will have both sf5 and usf4 a few days ago.
Smash 4 top 8 actually got more viewers than Melee top 8 at The Big House 5.
People who bring up the "Melee got more viewers" thing at EVO annoy me. It's so obvious to anybody paying attention that Smash 4 viewership was hurt by it's Saturday afternoon time slot.
Dunno, do you live in
The thing is that there is a good scene for a variety of fighters here in places like san antonio or austin, but that requires me to drive 4-5 hours north.
I mean for EVO, KI is a success for MS and I think I even recall hearing its model was a inspiration for capcom on SFV on how they are just going to be updating the game and not requiring super omega ex editions
Smash IS everywhere.
If you live outside of America a real FGC is basically non existant and is 90% online.
As a saturday morning game or exhibition tournament, would be pretty underhanded to put your own game in your major tournament, but I wouldn't put it past them since they shilled it like crazy last evo.
>PC W10 exclusive :^)
>mfw upgraded because of that
>mfw tried to reduce botnet as much as I could
inb4 they only allow you to get KI if you have a specific botnet update
Is Melee the more popular one? Maybe it's more popular exclusively in the smash community, but in the wider fighting game community, Smash 4 seems to be the choice.
Let's look at the big tournaments where Melee has outdrawn Smash 4 in attendance. Apex, Big House 5, and the upcoming Genesis 3. What do they all have in common? They are all long standing Smash tournament series with a historic focus on Melee.
Now let's look at the tournaments where Smash 4 has outdrawn Melee. EVO, CEO, Smash Con, MLG. What these have in common is that they are more neutral events without a historic focus on Melee. They are wider community events.
Because it's baby shit for casuals.
I went to some smash thing a friend was hosting and we were talking about games, only one any of them had ever played was fucking Rising Thunder and they defended that trash passionately.
These people wouldn't even put the time into MKX because it was "too hard."
It's only natural. Smash players cling to Melee for dear life even though the community has hit its apex in size and can only degrade from here.
I can understand sitting Brawl out because of the hideous balance and design, but Smash 4 is perfectly playable and has support from the devs as of now.
SFIV is in no way a blunder like Brawl was. It's not everyone's cup of tea but it's undeniably one of the most significant games of the last generation, reviving a genre and bringing its community to previously unseen heights. A shit game couldn't accomplish that. Show a bit of respect.
>KI is SF with stupid combos
You could just say you haven't played it mang.
Then why are you talking about games you haven't played pretending you know how they play? For what purpose?
Melee players literally only care about melee and nothing else if you look at entrants numbers 70% of them entered only Melee. Like 2/3rds of smash 4 were entered in other games
not even if smash players get evo banned from a venue AGAIN will evo ban smash sadly, smash is a fine game but the community deserved to be its separate thing after the shit they pulled pre sfiv days.
stupid fun combos*
I think so, its hardly giving them an advantage however, it just simplifies specials but it doesnt impact competitive in any way. Doesnt make breaking combos harder or anything. If you can beat jagos who just jump around constantly, you can beat anyone using combo assist
>Hasn't played the game
>Continues to act like he knows anything about it
You sound like LTG bitching about knockdowns and SFIV being a 50/50 guessing game
Thats what the combo breaker tutorial is for, nerd.
>smash will be the final event of Evo and actual fighters will get pushed to the piss poor timeslots
A lot of you guys think smash bros is about grinding tech but really it's all about reads. The best players don't even have amazing tech skill but have the ability to read the opponent this video should explain everything https://youtube.com/watch?v=uXvKpe5MP0s
sm4sh is more reads than anything
melee is basically all tech for most players but top players go hard on the reads
and melee tech is more impressive than the average FGC due to no frame buffers
>tfw customs most likely won't be allowed this year on Smash 4
Why must the Smash community gut more then half the game to make it playable.
At this stage winning a fighting game is more about gaming the underdeveloped meta than actually being more skilled than your opponent. Part of why I despise the idea of Tekken 7 and SFV totally replacing their previous installments this year.
Both sides keep trying to push that their game is more popular when they get more entrants. The fact of the matter is that Melee and Sm4sh draw roughly equal numbers at every single major that hosts both.
TTT2 is just too dead to warrant its own main stage tournament. T7 has been out for more than enough time in Asia, Americans are simply doomed to be disadvantaged there. At the very least there has been a concerted effort by the tekken team to give players in the US a lot of play time.
I'd like to see Ultra one more time, though.
>Yeah and if EVO started allowing League of Legends it would see a massive boost as well.
No it wouldn't. The event would happen during the regular season of almost every major LoL League, so that means no notable pro players would show up.
Namco barely gives two fucks about the American competitive scene. When it came to light that EVO wasn't going to host Tekken one year, Harada blatantly stated that he didn't care on Twitter.
God I hope smash 4 isn't in this year's evo. It's boring as fuck. I don't get how people want that piece of shit game back at evo. I would rather see another anime fighting game than that garbage. I hope marvel 2 is at evo this year but I already know that ain't happening
>tfw any semblance of a local scene that isn't at least 5 hours away is nothing but a few bronies that play Blazblue and Persona
Another aspect I forgot to mention is that Smash fans show the fuck up for event. Just recently someone near where I lived decided to host his first tourney out of his basement with nothing more than a facebook group post to promote it: over 30 entrants, some drove for hours to get there. He decided to make it a weekly and the next week got even more.
If SFV is garbage like S4msh is, will the SF fanbase drop it in favor of USFIV? I always see SFfags whining that Smashfags keep playing Melee just because it's the better game, while they should be playing the latest iteration in the series like good goys.
Do traditional fighting games have majors apart from Evo? What does it matter if melee is in one of them?
For smash there's like 5-6 really big tournaments a year, but when it comes to the fgc I only hear about Evo. Do people in the fgc not organise their own big tournaments?
Smash tournament players are the wrost
I went to a tournament out of curiosity and let me tell I have never seen a stench so foul and so many people with body odour in all gaming con's I've ever been.
It's like they literally have never ever taken a shower.
Like Guilty Gear Xrd, amirite ;^)
IF you put on assist. Manual input timing is harder, it's easier what strength to see them and they only has two opener options and two ender options of the same strength.
EG if they pick Jago. Their options for opening are L Laser Sword or L Wind Kick. You just Break Lights and they are gone. Their path is pretty simple to break and his enders are both heavy fireball and heavy dragon punch so you just break heavies on the last loop.
It teaches players the "golden path" but you can't rely on it for mash and win.
Americans don't care about KoF. It's always been this way. 13 did give it a nice boost, but it wasn't enough besides bringing in a new wave of people.
Maybe 14 can do the same. I just wish they make it look a little less plastic. It's still strong in other parts of the world which is what makes the competitive scene usually so interesting. It was neat seeing the French show up for KoF to disrupt the wave of Asians and Beaners.
>have always played and loved both Smash and Street Fighter
This forced rivalry between the two communities is quite possibly the dumbest shit I've ever seen get forced over the internet.
Did anybody ever upload Jootecks' book anywhere?
I wanna read it because I'm bored.
It's not Smash and SF, it's Smash and the entire FGC.
Nobody wants Smash except the faggots who wanna turn the FGC into e-sports like those homos Gootecks and Ultradavid.
Guys I have the leaked roster for EVO. There's only gonna be 7 games this year.
GG or KI depending on who has more money to bring to the table?
If EVO wanted to they can kick anime games out at EVO for business reasons. If EVO is generous they will only have 1 game and that will be GG.
>If EVO wanted to they can kick anime games out at EVO for business reasons. If EVO is generous they will only have 1 game and that will be GG.
Of course, but that goes for all games. What's the point of mentioning it? We all know it's all about the money for mr wizard.
>I have leaked the list
>X or Y depending?
Also I heard last year that USF4 and UMVC3 won't be main stage events this year.
And GG is a given because of its new version and how successful it was last year, and so is KI because even through it struggled to get entrants last year, MS is pushing it super hard.
>tfw no scene for anything anywhere, just niggers and trees
Problem with GG is that their company can't support the FGC like KI can with their microsoft money and possible big boom on PC coming soon. GG may not make it this year based on financial reasons for EVO.
I doubt there will be any big Pokken tournaments. It requires WiiU gamepad and too many of these fuckers cause interference.
Tekken isn't even out yet, Fated Retribution is coming out in 2 or so month, I doubt it will be there, another arcade tourny with 500 people? are you kidding
The Marvel community is so desperate nowadays that they begged to have a spot at fucking CEOtaku, an anime only major. Keep in mind that this is the same community that bashed and made fun of anime players for years, now saying that Marvel is an "air-dasher" hence it's "anime".
>The best players don't even have amazing tech skill
Most of the gods do except hbox, who doesn't need it.
Then there's other high tier players like Westballz and Hax (rip his hands) who got gud because of their tech skill.
But of course, fundamentals are more important.
Am I the only one bothered that people from Asia are allowed to enter Tekken 7 tournaments in the US?
These fuckers have had the game for a year and keep coming over and beating the ass of Americans who got to play it briefly for a few days. The ones who have played it are saying that frame data, movement, combos, etc. have been altered so much that playing Tag 2 only fucks with you since a lot of that shit doesn't carry over.
MvC at EVO is a tradition, even if 2 guys will show up, mrWizzard most likely will let them play on the main stage.
and? Americans had TTT2 for the longest time, Korea and Japan still kicked US arse. mr. Napps played decently in KorIFT, BloodHawk also tried his best.
Will they do same shit this year? With part of money from Ki sales going towards KI Evo pot.
PC release might increase number of entries, but I somehow doubt it.
>Americans had TTT2 for the longest time.
....You do know that it was out in arcades in Asia for 2 years before console release right? They literally had access to the game twice as long as Americans did so that point goes to the trash.
>mr. Napps played decently in KorIFT, BloodHawk also tried his best
Why would you even mention that when both of them got absolutely destroyed far worse than they normally did facing Asian competitors in past Tekken games? That even further shows how fucked up the competitive scene is for Tekken because of the release gap.
You're not too bright I see.
over 100 million people have win10. Better than the less than 15 million they have for Xbone. Trust me and especially with KI season 1 being free this month on XBL alot more people will increase KI numbers
>You do know that it was out in arcades in Asia for 2 years before console release right
And T4 and TTT1 and T5DR and T6 and TTT2 and T7 and ones before them. It's the way Tekken did things for the longest time.
Should we just ban Tekken altogether?
Man, there aren't enough people who play SamSho these days. Game deserves more respect.
because it was an US qualifier annd JDCR representing US is not the best of moves. Either way NOBI won.
EVO is an international tournament
US community just sucks balls. Half don;t even understand what's wrong with their playstyle. When US players defeated "chinks" in T6 everyone was gun-ho, but the moment TTT2 hit everyone went silent.
There is no home advantage after a year or so. Last year T7 tournament? Yeah mr. Naps did great getting into TOP8.
Naps made top 8 literally beating Americans and a literally who jap. Every person he played who had actually be playing T7 whooped his ass despite him being known to perform much better against them.
Go to bed, Harada.
Mango's tech skill isn't even close to amazing. I've met people who've been playing for under two years who have better tech skill than mango. Yet they'd probably still lose to borp because it doesn't matter how good you are at invincible ledge dashes and shield drops if your fundamentals are bad.
That's because American Tekken players really fucking loved BR. Anakin, Fab, GM, JFJ beating Koreans at MLG was the sickest shit.
Not everyone in America loves Tag 2. It's so sad to see that during the whole lifespan of the game, not one American player has beaten a Korean player in tournament.
It's pretty pathetic that the entire FGC is being pushed around by 2 games from the same series.
Let's face it, if it wasn't smash, the FGC would be bitching about anime fighters and if not anime fighters, they'd be bitching about western fighters like MKX and KI.
Y'all a bunch of whiny cunts.
In their defense, attendance last year was through the roof and whenever you introduce a massive amount of people, you're sure to either get bad eggs or people who are willing to take risky behavior since it's less likely to get noticed.