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If you had to choose a MMORPG between these titles, which one would you pick?

I've grown tired of MMORPGs that kind of forces you to play, since you've paid the X-amount of money just to play one month.
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>>323672480

GW2, but it's still shit.

ESO is trash.

Wildstar is dead.
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wildstar because you can get mostly everything really fast so it's not the same waste of time as the usal mmo. It died because people got everything they wanted in a month or two.
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>>323672690
Didn't it used to take two months to even access the end game?
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>>323672480
Gw2 most definitely.

Most polished and most you'll get from a free to play player.
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>>323672480
Can you play a healer in GW2 now? Else ESO.
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>>323672480

GW2 is your best bet.

Or wait for new shit like BnS (19th) or BDO (Q1)
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>>323672480
Out of those three? GW2. Although WS also offers F2P so you can try it out. TESO is just a complete miss for, stuck between a TES game and MMORPG but succeeding at neither. Also you need to buy new content updates just like Secret World is doing, but it's nowhere that level of quality.
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>>323672480
>which one would you pick?

Why are you choosing between tortures anon?
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>>323672880
>Or wait for new shit like BnS (19th) or BDO (Q1)

and brace yourself for disappointment in both cases. literally the only players who will care about blade and soul in the end is the tera fanbase, while black desert online has been neutered as fuck and just has a good character creator.
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Guild wars 2 isn't gonna get any new content this year per se.

The devs have stated that they're taking this year's time to polish out the shittier aspects of the game.

With that being said it's still a pretty decent mmo and had loads of content to play
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>>323672830
Yes, kinda. But it's completely pointless because all the content is balanced around self sustaining dps classes in full zerker
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>>323673030

You mean the aspects that they keep polishing over and over? Great.
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I've completely quit GW2, once you've done each races and faction's storyline the writing turns from mixed to shit very very quickly and the sheer amount of cash shop shit they spit out is just insulting, even before it went f2p.

Save yourself some grief and give it a pass.
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>>323672772
they patched everything. Also the endgame is artificial, you don't really need it. Their instances are flavourless and have no story tied to them. It's just a waste of time to do them.
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GW2 is a big stinking pile of disappointment compared to GW1, but it's still better than the other two.

TESO seems really interesting for the first two hours or so, but after you get over the novelty you start to discover just how badly it fails both at being a TES game and at being an MMO.

Wildstar is competently made but dull as all fuck unless you're really interested in the endgame, which is the only halfway decent part of the game.
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>>323673004

Better than the 3 in the OP though imo.

>BDO has been neutered as fuck

What? They've released/about to a massive PvE patch in Korea, and the Western version is removing the PW2 bullshit.
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>>323673178
The only thing that they've redone a million times is the trait system.

Literally went through changes like 8 times since release
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>>323673004
>black desert online has been neutered as fuck
What do you mean by this?
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>>323673428
>>323673465
Sandbox got fucked over because Koreans complained about it to no end. There's a blog out somewhere there that goes into details about how it's a massive 180 or something.
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>>323673724

That's just Open PVP - rest of the game is still the same and the changes don't seem to be too stringent unless you're all about PvP.
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>>323672480
If those were the only options, then I'd rather not play an MMO at all.
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>>323672480
None. I'm playing Divergence Online atm... Barebones as fuck but I got 30 hours of gameplay in 3 days..
>Based on SWG
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>>323673004
BnS, unlike GW2 and the others, actually has good PvP. Granted, it's the only thing it has going for it.
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I played the Japanese beta of BDO and it was extremely boring, but each region is supposed to be different.
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GW2 is garbage. WIldstar was fun but sucked performance wise and is probably dead. Haven't played ESO. Basically play WoW, vanilla WoW or FFXIV.
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>>323673724

So it took the archeage route?
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star conflict
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Ughh, sounds like MMORPG is a dying breed
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>>323675375
MMO is an extremely attractive novelty, but no one has made a game that is actually fun to play. Planetside was somewhat fun until you really get into it. MMORPGs are glorified chatrooms with a few interesting boss mechanics once in a blue moon.
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>>323675375
It's true.

>tfw your favorite MMO is a literal corpse
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>>323676029
Jesus, I remember playing it back a few months ago. That's just a sad sight.
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>>323676029
To be fear CO has been dead since fucking forever.

>Star Trek Online
>keeps getting regular updates
>Neverwinter
>keeps getting regular updates
>Champions Online
>dead in a ditch somewhere

Which is obviously happening because both STO and NW have license holders breathing down Cryptic's neck to actually do something about it, while owners of Champions license don't give a fuck.
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>>323676029
CO died when it went F2P.

Maybe if they had made F2P mode actually attractive instead of gimping free players it would have lived longer (especially after CoH/CoV shut down), but they really fucked it up by not letting people create their own moveset in F2P.
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>>323676029
is there even a good superhero mmo out there right? dcuo is far too limiting and you need to fork out cash to buy content updates.
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>>323672480
ESO
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>>323673308
>Their instances are flavourless and have no story tied to them
>MMO
>End game has no story
>Content which you are supposed to do over and over and over again has no story

Next you are going to say that you can't play any MMO because every dialogue isn't voice acted by hollywood super stars.

Also the game actually has a mediocre to bad story and the dungeons and adventures DO have story in them. Wildstar also has quite good lore
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i played GW2 pre-expansion

it was shit

ESO is pretty good

I havent played wildstar but F2P pretty much guarantees that its shit
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>>323676829
>ESO is pretty good
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>>323674774

No - AA went full P2W.

BDO is just nerfing/gutting PvP somewhat, but the rest looks alright.

I just can't wait to build a comfy village with property.
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>>323676907
He's right
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>>323672480
>garbage vs turd vs dogshit?
Saged, reported. Enjoy your ban.
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>>323677019

It's good for a bit, then you realize how empty it is.

I would've preferred online Skyrim to what we got, and I can't believe I'm saying that.
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Maplestory Reboot is pretty fun.
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>>323677153
HHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!
Holy shit are you a clown IRL? If not, you should consider becoming one!
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>>323677019
No, you're not.

ESO had some potential with its relatively interesting leveling system and decent world, but it shits the bed when it comes to the actual gameplay and awful quests. Not to mention getting around is just boring as fuck.
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So there isn't any good MMORPG around that doesn't require a monthly fee?
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>>323672480
I'd choose not to play an MMO.

>>323673004
>BnS
>Tera crowd
90% of them will quit once they realize they can't p2w the PvP and that they can't be a lyn for more than three classes.
The rest will once they realize they can't faceroll new PvE content.
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>>323677229

>can't P2W
>can't faceroll PvE

Looks like I might play it then.
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>>323677219
Eve online is the only MMO still alive.
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>>323676029
>>323676421
>Get bit by the superhero bug
>Try to jump back into CO because DCUO is dogshit
>Computer bluescreens every time I run the patcher
Welp, I guess that's the end of that.
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>>323677316
don't fall for it, it's a blatant shill. The exact opposite is true. It's shit.
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>>323677219

No - so either quit MMOs or wait for 2016 release to hope for the best.

I think I might sink some hours into BDO because the combat looks alright and the property system reminds me of EVE.
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>>323677413

I tried the beta though and enjoyed it, but I was assuming there would be P2W shit.
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>>323677316
Not 100% true.
There is a degree of p2w possible for PvE, but if you suck shit at the game it isn't going to matter because the game is going to fuck you.
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>>323677724

Seems similar to fighting games, so shouldn't have too much trouble.
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>>323676421
I tried playing NW as well because I loved CO and Star Trek is not my thing but it's so fucking bad.
It was terrible enough before mod 6, but everything after that has been a giant log of shit after another.
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>>323677872
I was disappointed from the get-go because I honestly wanted more DDO, not action MMORPG with a D&D skin. DDO was really unique and it's such a shame it faded away with age.
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>>323678135

>we'll never get a proper successor to DDO
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>>323677872
I put a lot of time into Neverwinter, but yeah it just gets worse and worse. Every update is just an excuse to promote the cash shop more without addressing any of the game's actual problems.

To illustrate how bad this is, there are simple texture glitches that would take maybe 3 minuts of a dev's time to fix (like one of the shields that has its texture upside down) that have reported since the game's launch and STILL haven't been fixed despite years of updates. And let's not even mention the complete joke of a PvP mode.
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>>323678209
LotRO > DDO

IMO
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>>323678537

I thought LotRO started well but ended up shit.
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Are these titles still alive though?
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>>323678537
Fuck no. Nobody can possibly believe this. 1/10 for poor trolling attempt.
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>>323678618
It was shit for a while, but they actually listened to the complaints and made it less shit.

It's still a super comfy game and not many MMOs have a class that's as fun to play as the LotRO Burglar.
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>>323672830
Raids usually save a spot for healer which is the druid ( ranger specialization).Could also work in pvp for healing teammates when necessary although the healing is secondary as in you're not running around the map finding people to heal but mostly supporting those in need.
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>>323678709

GW2 and ESO are.

Wildstar is utterly dead - it doesn't even have threads on /vg/ anymore.

GW2 will probably die when the 2016 titles come in though, and the cycle continues.
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Just wait for BDO. At least that has a fun combat system. And if Daum isn't lying about reducing potion spam and lowering karma loss for open world PvP, then it might be legitimately good. Obviously, it's wait and see for now though.
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>>323679289
When is it coming out anyway? I can't find any info regarding open beta
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>>323679609
AFAIK the beta is only for people who pre-order it. I don't know if there will be an open beta.
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>>323679609

Q1 is all we have right now.

I think I'm going to play BnS (since it's free) until BDO comes out.
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>>323679609
It's in closed beta right now. It's having two, with one already passed back in December. It'll release sometime Q1 this year. They gave out a bunch of beta passes for the first one that got distributed through facebook and various sites.
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>>323679289
It's dead in korea already. If it has bombed in korea of all places, you can be sure it's not even worth a look.
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>>323679775

It bombed because they are all jerking over BnS right now.
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>>323679775
The western version is different from the korean cashgrab
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>>323679775
The Koreans have some of the shittiest taste in vidya imaginable. Maple Story is still one of the top MMOs there.
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I absolutely love the GW2 world despite the game's flaws so I'm going for that one
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>>323679775

Western BDO won't have P2W like the Korean version.

That alongside property makes it enough for me.
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I remember when before GW2 was about to release there was another MMO with minecraft elements that was supposed to come out as well.
Do you remember which game I'm talking about?
What happened to it?
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>>323679985

Not Cube World?
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>>323679923
Yeah the world and area design is one of the highlights of the game. The only thing I didn't like about GW2's world was that it's so obviously made out of fenced-in square regions. I mean I totally get why it works that way, but at least make it less obvious. GW1 never felt like it was a bunch of square sandboxes next to eachother.
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>>323680053
No, it was supposed to be a big title.
I can't remember the name.
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>>323680226
Maplestory 2?
EQ next?
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>>323679985
Everquest Next?

I don't think that even has a release date yet.
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>>323680325

>tfw Star Citizen and EQ Next will never get released
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>>323680452
>caring about scam citizen
At the very least it's 10'000% p2w, but not only that, the amount of money you need to pay to win is ridiculous and you are only allowed to pay to win for a limited time. There's no way it can possibly turn out any other way than absolute shit.
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Wildstar on EU as far i know the pvp server is empty both factions and the bgs are full of bots, but the pve server is quite alive and active. There seems to be a miscomception wen sayng ws is 100% dead cuz its not. I enjoy fast paced end game content that is actually dificult, and atm ws is the only one who can provide other mmos on the market fail badly at this.
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>>323680053
>tfw got cube world with friends
>tfw online is broken and doesnt work
>tfw blue loading screens everywhere
>tfw no update since july 2013
Never again will I buy early access
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>>323680796

WS was good, but you know a game is dead when even the autists on /vg/ don't support it.
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>>323680834

I was considering buying it as well, but I learned a lesson.

It had potential though, shame.
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>>323680741
Don't you enjoy paying $100 for a ship? What are you, a poorfag?

Come on, goy. Think of how much fun you'll have in your brand new $200 spaceship! Just ask your mom to borrow her creditcard for a minute. It's only $500!
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>>323681321
>$500
That's cute.
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>>323681698
Seriously, what the fuck
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>>323679289
BDO is a very bad mmorpg. Many things are actually destroying the core mechanics of this game because they went for a F2P.

And of course, it s gameplay, while fun alone, sucks horribly when you begin to play with mate. Just look at mass pvp or pve on youtube, it s miserable.
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>>323681996

The Western version will be B2P without the P2W bullshit though.
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>>323681996

Can you give an example? A lot of the PvP I've watched looks fun.
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>>323682170
That's what you hope, but there's nothing stopping them from adding P2W elements later on. After all without a monthly fee they've already got all the money they're going to get out of you right at the start, so they've got nothing to lose by scaring off people who hate P2W and everything to gain from catering to those who like it.
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>>323680325
>>323680331
>Everquest Next
Yeah that.
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>>323682402

True, but if I can get a few enjoyable months out of it, I'll willingly pay.

I really like the look of the combat and the property system reminds me of EVE.
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>>323682402
C O S M E T I C S
Cosmetics work extremely well. They could add hat trading for real money and very rare cosmetic drops and they'd swim in money. In MMOs, as opposed to ASSFAGGOTS and FPS, cosmetics are even more popular since your character is persistent and you'll be looking at the same outfit for hundreds of hours unless you buy several sets. You also have a "single" character (of course you can make alts but that's not the point) so it's even more boring to look at it with the same cosmetics on.
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>>323682309
Here you go, sir : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV1-Ts4_qmM

PvP and PvE in BDO sucks because they choose to not have support. Completely retarded in a mmorpg so we just have a zerg fest.

>>323682170
Yeah but B2P still have a cash shop, so it s the same. I m not talking about P2W, but the presence of a cash shop means every choice will be made to keep their costumers, even if they are detrimental to the concept of this mmo (GvG in full openworld). What killed BDO in korea was not the content of that cash shop, but the changes in the game like the massive PK penalities.

The good news is all this changes can be reversed to have the CBT 1 game wich was near perfect (except for the gameplay). The bad news is it will only happen in private server because this type of MMO can only exist in P2P.
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>>323673724
Here is the blog post:

http://black-desert.com/articles/black-desert-how-we-were-expect-it-to-be-and-how-it-is-now/
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>>323683070

I like the look of that actually, I think I'll try it when it comes out.
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>>323681698
>p2w microtransactions in an alpha
Who the fuck defends this game?
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dont play Gw2 , that game started to burn down with its new exp

the only good thing left is PvE but is short and you just grind for skins
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>>323672480

I would choose death.
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>>323683016
And that s why I can't understand why people agree with that. MMORPG was always about having the shiniest armor and weapon possible. Part of why people are actually doing raids in WoW is to loot a skin for exemple.
This is not a fuckin moba where you play for the sake of gameplay itself, it s a mmorpg where your character is persistant and evolve constantly.
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>>323683228
People who got suckered into spending real money on it.
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>>323683228
>microtransactions
$15,000 is not a microtransaction
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>>323672480
Don't play GW2 OP, trust me.

Or rather play the free version for a week and never touch it again.
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>>323683326
And if you add the ability to sell cosmetics to other players for real money in a steam item trading kind of way, and receive a portion of every transaction, players can create an economy where some cosmetics are significantly more expensive than their initial price, and yet sell quite well, giving you much more profit than with pure direct sale. Plus, you gain additional profit everytime the item changes hands, on top of the initial sale price.
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>>323683161
>>323683070

So we just have to hope the Western version matches OBT/CBT 1to have a good game.

Before we turn to private servers.
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>>323673441
And intruduced more PVE crap to WvW that no one asked for, and now they are surprised that the new WvW maps are dead.
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The world bosses in GW2's expac were probably the most fun I've had in a MMO in a long time, but they really fucked up that collectathon vibe the core game had.

Every MMO is pretty much shit now, but GW2 has some interesting stuff at least.
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>>323683643
Well, I don't think it can work with a F2P B2P model. The goal of those model is to please to the largest number possible and we are talking about a GvG type of mmo. This kind of mmo are usually elitist and very competitive.

P2P is the only choice because contrary to the precedent models, the goal is just to please a part of the market and keep them on the long term, like EvE online.
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>>323676029
Fucking hell, that is depressing. I actually enjoyed that game since I missed the CoX boat
>You will never play your Japanese superhero caricature ever again
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>>323684556

My kind of game then.
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>>323677153
I'm having fun with that too, I just started.
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Don't play GW2. It's soulless without true content. It's also extremely boring leveling just to get to endgame without anything interesting to work towards. It's core mechanic of "everyone should play tanks dps hybrid with self healing" neutered any chances of interesting pve content, since you fee like you're doing the same grind no matter what class or encounter you're doing.

ESO is not 10/10 but the leveling experience is above average for MMO. The quests are actually interesting, and the world is beautiful. Unlike GW2, there are actual classes and choices when leveling your character.

Wild star is just dead.
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>>323685420
>ESO is not 10/10 but the leveling experience is above average for MMO. The quests are actually interesting, and the world is beautiful.
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>>323685720
>Todd
>ESO
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